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Little leaguer shot dead on bike, NEW EVIDENCE TO CRACK MURDER OF CHUCKIE MAUK? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Whenever I get my twins
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Speaker 1: ready for one of their games, be it soccer or basketball,
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Speaker 1: or my daughter plays volleyball, and I'm getting their uniform
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Speaker 1: ready for them, very often I think of another little
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Speaker 1: boy in his uniform, because that's how I will forever
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Speaker 1: envision Chucky Mack. He had a little little league outfit.
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Speaker 1: It was red and white with the white pants and
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Speaker 1: the red shirt and the red white cap. And he's
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Speaker 1: holding a glove today and a highly unusual program. We
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Speaker 1: have gathered friends of his before he was murdered. The
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Speaker 1: Cold Case of Chucky Mack. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Chucky Mack a little boy, a little leaguer, gunned down
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Speaker 1: riding his bike. What happened? We want justice with me,
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Speaker 1: a panel unlike any other I have ever seen, with
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Speaker 1: me to put this cold case back together again. Chucky's
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Speaker 1: mother now my friend, Kathy Miller. Cheryl McCollum, director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, Chris Pate Robillard, a neighborhood
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Speaker 1: girl that saw Chucky the day he was gunned down
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Speaker 1: riding his bike. Still unsolved. Jason Cranford, Chucky's friend who
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Speaker 1: has put up a hundred thousand dollars reward. Shanda Birch,
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Speaker 1: Chucky's girlfriend. He asked his mom could he give Shonda
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Speaker 1: her emerald ring to save it for him for their engagement.
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Speaker 1: Chris Panacheck joining me. Chris at a red light in
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Speaker 1: a car with his sister when he saw Chucky just
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Speaker 1: before Chucky was murdered with me, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: to the Stars and Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Levi Paige. First, I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at forty one NBCWMGT is Skyler Henry So.
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Speaker 1: He lived right behind the Bowling Alley on Burns Drive.
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Speaker 1: He'd ride his bike to a nearby convenience store all
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Speaker 1: the time to buy candy. But one February night was different.
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Speaker 1: Sometime when in those suing minutes someone heard a loud pop.
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Speaker 1: One witness that I've talked to actually described or just
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Speaker 1: thinking it was a firecracker and kids playing. This is
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Speaker 1: where Chucky's body was found. He lived in the neighborhood
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Speaker 1: just beyond this fence post. Witnesses say they saw him
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Speaker 1: talking as someone in a light colored car, but they
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Speaker 1: don't know who We had a lot of witnesses. A
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Speaker 1: lot of people saw things. They see a vehicle speeding
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Speaker 1: away as they approached. Within the next two minutes, Chucky's
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Speaker 1: found deceased. What happened? You were hearing our friend at
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Speaker 1: w MGT NBC Skyler Henry speaking to the House and
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff Captain John Holland. Let me go straight out
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Speaker 1: to Chucky's mother, Kathy Miller joining me. Now, Kathy, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to hold on this to this case as long
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Speaker 1: as we have to, and I want you to tell
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Speaker 1: our listeners, our viewers, now, what happened the evening you
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Speaker 1: last saw Chucky. The last evening I saw Chuckie, it
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Speaker 1: was a Monday evening. We had just finished supper, and
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm cleaning, cleaning up the table and everything,
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Speaker 1: and Chucky asked me if he could go to Giant
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Speaker 1: to buy candy for the next day at school, which
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Speaker 1: I heard later that he would sell to make money
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Speaker 1: to buy more candy to sell at recess or whatever
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Speaker 1: it was. And I'm thinking, you know, no, you really
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Speaker 1: shouldn't go, but I said yes, I said yes, you
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Speaker 1: can go. Not looking at it is just cleaning up,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't look at him, and he walked out
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Speaker 1: the door. And that was it. What happened next. The
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Speaker 1: next thing I know is about thirty minutes later, a
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Speaker 1: friend in the neighborhood came and knocked on my door
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Speaker 1: and said, Jackie's hurt. I can see him laying up
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Speaker 1: here by Giant, you know, And I thought, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: he's fallen off his bike. He's hurt his leg or something.
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Speaker 1: So Pete, Chucky stepfather, and Greg, his little brother, and myself,
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Speaker 1: you know, we just ran up there to get him.
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Speaker 1: I thought I'd just see him sitting there, and as
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Speaker 1: I'm running, I can see that it is so much worse,
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Speaker 1: and it's like I can't get there. I'm I'm running
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Speaker 1: in slow motion, and um Pete stopped me and told
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Speaker 1: me that it was Chucky and that he was dead
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Speaker 1: and that somebody had hit him with the cars. What
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Speaker 1: they thought at first, and then it's a lot of
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Speaker 1: things aren't clear after that, but that was it. So
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Speaker 1: I never I never really got but he was not
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Speaker 1: he was not hit by a car. No, this little boy,
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Speaker 1: this little leaguer, was shot dead, this little boy riding
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Speaker 1: his bike. It was no more than three blocks as
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Speaker 1: the crow flies from home to the little convenience store,
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Speaker 1: because I could that was him where he was laying,
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Speaker 1: and um, I mean it wasn't. It was a shot
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Speaker 1: at close up. It was a close up shot, not
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Speaker 1: from far away, and um yeah. And when they rolled
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Speaker 1: him over, they saw where the bullet had exited his face,
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Speaker 1: and that was they didn't want me to see him,
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Speaker 1: so they were trying to keep me out of by
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Speaker 1: this fence that was right there. And I never saw
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Speaker 1: him again, Kathy, these years later, how has your grief
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Speaker 1: changed over time? Or has it? It's just so hard
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Speaker 1: to explain. It's just always it's always there. It's like
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Speaker 1: about you know, it's on the back Bernard's simmering. It's
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Speaker 1: always cooking. I'm always thinking. And you know I promised Chucky.
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Speaker 1: I promised him I will find what happened to you.
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Speaker 1: I'll never ever let this go. And I just it's
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Speaker 1: still you know, you have good days and bad days,
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Speaker 1: and like this is really a good day because I'm
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Speaker 1: here from all his friends that have not forgotten him,
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Speaker 1: and it means so much to me. Speaking of his friends,
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight to you, Chris Panachek. Chris
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Speaker 1: was had a red light in the car with his
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Speaker 1: sister when he saw Chucky speaking to someone in a
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Speaker 1: white car. Chuckie was talking to the galley never handle
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Speaker 1: bars on his mike with me and came past him
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Speaker 1: and stop. In real life, guys, this the last time
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Speaker 1: that we spoke to you about Chucky Mark's case. And
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Speaker 1: then I appeared on Fox one afternoon and put out
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Speaker 1: information friends, fellow classmates, his girlfriend at the time, his
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Speaker 1: little girlfriend saw that, and we have all gotten together
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Speaker 1: to help try and solve the case of Chucky Mark,
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Speaker 1: this little boy's murder. To Chris Panacheck, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. I want to hear from
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Speaker 1: you and I witness. Did you ever speak to police? Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I come up here after I got home and learned
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Speaker 1: and learned that Chuckie was behind the roy and Roses
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Speaker 1: here on on Burns Drive by the friend of mine
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Speaker 1: and his dad worked at the convenience store across the street, Bobby's.
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Speaker 1: A minute Mark and me and my sister had just
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Speaker 1: got home. Land closed out for school the next day
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Speaker 1: and a friend tried. A friend of mine called me
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Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, buddy, we ride bikes with
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Speaker 1: all the time with good jumped ramps and stuff with
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Speaker 1: He said he just got shot. Like what I just
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Speaker 1: I just seen, I mean I just seen him talking
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Speaker 1: to the car behind the roar and roses. Tell me
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Let's just start. You and your sister
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Speaker 1: are in the car. Tell me what happened. Don't leave
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Speaker 1: anything out, all right? We come up Burns Drive and
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Speaker 1: we passed. We get past the right here and cheke.
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Speaker 1: He's talking to a white tie in a white view
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Speaker 1: a Caree rules type. Whoa, whoa right there. I'm getting
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Speaker 1: information I've never heard before. So the purp is a
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Speaker 1: white male in what kind of car? It's Buick Goes
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Speaker 1: seventy nine eighty one Buick Regal type of tyme of
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Speaker 1: vehicle Utah white, oh, solid white car could have been
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Speaker 1: a Regal or a Pontiac Granddam Grand Prix Grand right
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Speaker 1: right grand Prix, a little will cut of Supreme, that
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Speaker 1: type of body style two or four door, two door.
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Speaker 1: Do you think there was another man in the car,
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Speaker 1: No man, There was this one guy in that car.
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Speaker 1: One guy, one guy and a fo. I ever knew that.
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Speaker 1: Nancy me either and I have talked about this case.
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Speaker 1: I've talked to cops about the case. I've talked to
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Speaker 1: investigators about the case. This is the first time it's
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Speaker 1: being defined as definitely a white male. I mean we,
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Speaker 1: Seryl McCallum, you and I have gone round and round
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Speaker 1: and said we think it was a white male, either
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Speaker 1: one or two, but it could have been a Hispanic
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Speaker 1: mail it could have been an Asian man. But we
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Speaker 1: are now hearing definitively, Cheryl McCollum, it is a white male.
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Speaker 1: We think alone seventy nine to eighty one all white
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Speaker 1: vehicle in the two doors. Nancy, this is a game changer, period.
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Speaker 1: It is overwhelming to me that Lord Borson has not
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Speaker 1: put this out correctly. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about the murder of a little boy who
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Speaker 1: has grown dear to my heart tip line four seven
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Speaker 1: eight five four two two zero eight zero, and we
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Speaker 1: are learning information we've never known before. With me many
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Speaker 1: of Chucky's friends that he knew at the time, one
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Speaker 1: of them an eyewitness. Also with me, Chucky's mom and
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Speaker 1: his little girlfriend at the time, Chandra Birch to Chris
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Speaker 1: panta Check, let me get back to where we were.
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Speaker 1: You're in a car with sister. You look over, you
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Speaker 1: see Chucky speaking to the guys. What was their interaction.
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Speaker 1: Ucky was just had his arms folded in there talking
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Speaker 1: to the guy who would laugh. He was like laughing
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Speaker 1: and talking to this gay and the next thing, you know,
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Speaker 1: the lights the lights from his from the from this
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Speaker 1: man's car. You know, kind of I guess my vision
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Speaker 1: and nything, but but I kept on looking back, and
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Speaker 1: my FIXTU was driving, was stopping. They were able to
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Speaker 1: stop signing. I don't think this convenient store was there
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Speaker 1: at the end, but were sitting there. And if we
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Speaker 1: hadn't had the radio up so loud when I sat
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Speaker 1: back down, Chucky was talking, you know, would had picked
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Speaker 1: his front tire up on his bike and turned turned
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Speaker 1: to turn away from this day. And if I hadn't,
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Speaker 1: we hadn't had the radio up so loud, we would
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Speaker 1: have heard the shot because when he picked his front
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Speaker 1: tire up, I turned around and sat down and stopped
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Speaker 1: looking back, and then Nason it was shot in the
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Speaker 1: back of the head. That's very very interesting to me
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Speaker 1: that you watched for that length of time that he
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Speaker 1: actually turned around and you look back. Something told you
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Speaker 1: to turn around and look back you saw Chucky. He was,
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Speaker 1: I guess, still on his bike with his feet on
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Speaker 1: the ground, but his arms were folded. Did I hear
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Speaker 1: that correctly, Yes, ma'am. He was talking to the guy
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Speaker 1: with his arms folded like he did so he was
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Speaker 1: hunched over, arms folded. I wrote, bikes with Chucky forever.
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Speaker 1: His arms were actually touching the handlebar, yes, ma'am. And
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Speaker 1: did you say he was laughing? Yeah, it was like
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Speaker 1: they were had that conversation with each other. They were
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Speaker 1: conversating with each other and checking, checking, made a lot
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Speaker 1: of hand gesters when he talked, what's he doing that? Yes,
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Speaker 1: the whole time. The whole time went went to walk
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Speaker 1: right out the window into the car and you know,
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Speaker 1: kee level we're going so like well, I blame myself
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Speaker 1: because I could get run on the ring and say
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Speaker 1: hey Chucky, and just maybe something would have been different. Chris,
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Speaker 1: the guy in the car, how close was he too?
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Speaker 1: Chucky probably two foot foot the most of them two
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Speaker 1: foot frolly two feet. I was sitting in his car.
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Speaker 1: So was the car closer to the to the parking
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Speaker 1: lot or was Chucky closer to the road. I'm probably
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Speaker 1: five foot from the curb it Burns Drive right now,
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Speaker 1: And now I'm sitting exactly where I remember, well, not exactly,
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Speaker 1: but where I remember the car sitting, and I'm looking
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Speaker 1: towards the fence down Burners Drive. So how close was
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Speaker 1: Chucky to the actual street? Was he on the sidewalk?
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Speaker 1: It was played my ten foot ticking foot from the
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Speaker 1: side front of the from the edge of the term
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Speaker 1: fifteen feet from the curb. Was he in the parking
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Speaker 1: lot of the gas station the seven to eleven? No,
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Speaker 1: the gas stations up towards Russell Park were a little
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Speaker 1: bit one. We were we were actually he was a
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Speaker 1: right beside the bowling Alley and behind Roy and Roses theories.
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Speaker 1: So had he had he already left the convenience store? Yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's important to me because I always pictured that he
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Speaker 1: was in the parking lot of the convenience store. But
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Speaker 1: he had left the convenience store with the candy. Correct,
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Speaker 1: m it looked like he was on the way home
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Speaker 1: back bay. I mean, yeah, well I looked at it now,
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Speaker 1: I'm like he was heading back home. It's like this
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Speaker 1: guy had to be driving, but he had to be leaning,
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Speaker 1: like talk to Chucky. Was the car stopped, Chris, had
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Speaker 1: he totally stopped his car? Wasnt in park? Yes, it
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Speaker 1: was just sitting here talking Chucky like I'm sitting here
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Speaker 1: now facing the exact thing, kind to face the exact directions.
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Speaker 1: Was he had an intersection or pulled over on the
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Speaker 1: side of the road. No, he's in the parking lot
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Speaker 1: in the park. There's a big parking lot in front
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Speaker 1: of the bowling alley and beside the bowling alley. It's
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Speaker 1: like one of those Anny shopping center. Gotcha, I understand now.
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Speaker 1: So he's not on the street, he's in the parking lot. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I just wonder. I guess at that time there was
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Speaker 1: no surveillance VideA or anything like that. And you're sure
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Speaker 1: there was only one white male in the car, Chris.
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Speaker 1: One person. That's all. That's I mean that I remember
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Speaker 1: this night like it was I mean, I remember this
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Speaker 1: night like it was yesterday. It played over and over
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Speaker 1: and over in my mind. I just it's never gone away,
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Speaker 1: and he will never go away. And when you turned
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Speaker 1: around and you look back at Chucky, you saw him
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Speaker 1: turn his wheel like he was leaving. Yeah, he picked
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Speaker 1: the front tire up like you know guys would and
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Speaker 1: when we got to go somewhere and we're close, Funny,
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Speaker 1: pick your front tire up. You got your foot on,
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Speaker 1: one foot on the pedal, one foot on the ground.
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Speaker 1: You picked that front at back up and turn in turn,
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Speaker 1: but the front wheel back down and go where you're going, Jason,
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Speaker 1: you don't want talk about Yeah, I to see Chuck
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Speaker 1: to do that all the time, Chris, kind of check.
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Speaker 1: One more question, did you what can you tell me
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Speaker 1: about the guy you looked back? Could you see his face?
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Speaker 1: What color was his hair? Did he have a mustache?
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Speaker 1: Anything I gave I got, they've better sketch. Uh, you
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Speaker 1: think I got a sketch? I mean, and what me
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Speaker 1: and my sister did. And the guy was just the
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Speaker 1: white male, you know, pale skin, acne like raded red
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Speaker 1: or brown hair, brown hair. You know, I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: the sketch right now, and it looks like he's got
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a mustache going. And he's wearing
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Speaker 1: an open collar shirt and his hair is parted on
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Speaker 1: his left and kangs. Can I say something here? How
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Speaker 1: well did he look to you? Yeah? One last question?
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Speaker 1: How old did he look to you? Chris? In his
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Speaker 1: twenties twenty? I say twenty five, twenty six. Understand I
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Speaker 1: think I hear Jason Cranford, Is that you Jason? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just jump in, Jason. I just wanted to say
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Speaker 1: that that sketch that you're talking about, the guy with
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Speaker 1: a mustache, I was told by Houston County Homicide that
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Speaker 1: that sketch looks nothing like the sketch that Chris Pnoxi
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Speaker 1: did the night of the or his sister did the
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Speaker 1: night of the murder. Chris, Yeah, I heard that was
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Speaker 1: that aged him? They did that, The FBI did that
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Speaker 1: at Quantico where they aged him. But it was doctor
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Speaker 1: sketch that was shown to UH that night Prime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace join me. Also, is Chris Pate Robolard
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Speaker 1: a little neighborhood girls saw Chucky the day he was killed,
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Speaker 1: riding his bike after school. Chris, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Yes, thank you, Nancy, thank you, Chris, thank you.
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Speaker 1: Don't don't anybody move, don't anybody go anywhere. Chris, pat
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Speaker 1: robol Hard, tell me what you saw that day. Well,
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Speaker 1: m it just breaks my heart even going through all
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Speaker 1: of it right now, it all is, it's surreal. The
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Speaker 1: day of I'm around, it was we got out of
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Speaker 1: school at three fifteen, and around four fifteen, four thirty,
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Speaker 1: Chuck came over to my house. I lived a couple
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Speaker 1: of blocks away from him, and he just came over
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Speaker 1: to It's funny. He actually had candy and he just
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Speaker 1: came over to talk and we sat in my driveway.
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Speaker 1: I vividly remember we sat in the driveway and we
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Speaker 1: talked about Shanda's a girlfriend, which he adored, and I
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Speaker 1: was a good friend to her. And we ate all
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Speaker 1: the candy he had. I'm sorry, miss Miller. There was
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Speaker 1: a lot of candy that day. And I remember we
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Speaker 1: just sat and talked and hung out just like thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old kids do. And he was off to go jump.
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Speaker 1: I think they were jumping ran some stuff with they
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Speaker 1: had built that ramp. Yeah, And but he just came
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Speaker 1: by and we hung out like we always did, and
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Speaker 1: ate candy, of course, and just you know, just doing
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Speaker 1: with thirteen year old. And he didn't act like he
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Speaker 1: was scared about anything. Did he Absolutely not, not okay anything.
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Speaker 1: I always wondered that, no, ma'am, not at all, you know.
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Speaker 1: To Dodgor Bethany Marshall, Psychoana was joining me out of
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. What I
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Speaker 1: just heard Chris pate robel arts saying how innocent they were,
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Speaker 1: these little kids twelve or thirteen years old. You know,
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Speaker 1: the big thrill was to go to the seven to
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Speaker 1: eleven and get some candy. And you know, he's twelve
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Speaker 1: USh years old. He goes, hey, mom, she finds him
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Speaker 1: going through her jewelry and he goes save that emerald
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Speaker 1: ring for me because you know, I'm going to ask
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Speaker 1: Sean did and marry me one day. I'm just thinking
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Speaker 1: about the dichotomy of their their innocence and then what happened.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and you don't you didn't think anything about
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Speaker 1: letting them go out like because it was just like
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Speaker 1: right around the corner, you know, because I've always blamed myself.
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Speaker 1: I've always blamed myself for saying yes to him, you know.
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Speaker 1: And doctor Bethany Marshall is with us analyzing a cold
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Speaker 1: case which we are reading heating up today Chucky. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I know you just heard Chucky's mom say she's always
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Speaker 1: felt guilty about just letting him go out on his bike.
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Speaker 1: But missus, Mark, you can't say no to everything. Because
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Speaker 1: if you say no to everything, then you have an
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Speaker 1: imprisoned child and a child who cannot develop and grow
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Speaker 1: and be inquisitive and learn about the world. These stories
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Speaker 1: are so moving and profound to me, and I want
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Speaker 1: to say something that sticks out is Chucky's friend who
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Speaker 1: looked back through the car from the rear window and
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Speaker 1: saw that Chucky's arms were folded over the handlebar of
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Speaker 1: his bike, and that he seemed to be leading forward
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Speaker 1: and deep in a conversation. And that speaks to the
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Speaker 1: innocence you're talking about, Nancy, that some perps stopped him
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Speaker 1: and engaged him in a conversation. And how many times
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Speaker 1: has that happened to every single person on this panel.
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Speaker 1: In childhood to our own children are relatives that it
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Speaker 1: always starts with something innocent. The adult says, Hey, can
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Speaker 1: I have a piece of your candy? Or oh I
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Speaker 1: love that bike? Or oh you know what I'm lost?
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Speaker 1: Can I do you know where the nearest gas station is?
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Speaker 1: It's always so something like that, and Chucky leaning over
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Speaker 1: the handles. He thought nothing was wrong, but at some
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Speaker 1: point something must have crossed his mind, even at his
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Speaker 1: young age, that he was in trouble think and think
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Speaker 1: and think what they were talking about. Because the mom,
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Speaker 1: Kathy Miller, has wrecked her mind. She doesn't know a
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Speaker 1: family friend with that kind of car. The description doesn't
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Speaker 1: match anyone they know. Take a listen now to our
23:05
Speaker 1: friends at WMGT. The call first came in as a
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Speaker 1: hidden run. It was soon determined that he was actually
23:13
Speaker 1: died as a result of a single gunshot one and
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Speaker 1: I single gunshot one through the head. But who would
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Speaker 1: shoot a thirteen year old boy. We don't expect our
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Speaker 1: children to be shot and killed in House and County
23:25
Speaker 1: in this matter. People during that time quit letting the
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Speaker 1: kids ride their bikes, They quit letting them go up
23:31
Speaker 1: the street on the bibles. Captain John Holland, like the
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Speaker 1: House and County Sheriff's Office, says he had investigators interviewed
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Speaker 1: dozens of people trying to find that answer. They turned
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood inside out. They camped the neighborhood. I think
23:43
Speaker 1: they set up road chicks during that time just to
23:45
Speaker 1: find people that had seen things. And even to this day,
23:48
Speaker 1: we do get calls with people that either have some
23:52
Speaker 1: information or have an idea about who may have been involved.
23:55
Speaker 1: There is still no suspect. It's a tough conversation. He
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Speaker 1: still has some hope that one day showed it some resolution,
24:05
Speaker 1: but it's difficult, don't you know it. That was our friend,
24:09
Speaker 1: scholar Henry Henry at WMGT speaking to the Captain John
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Speaker 1: Holland joining me now. Is in addition to Kathy Miller,
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Speaker 1: Chucky's mother, his friends Cheryl McCollum, Levi Page, and doctor
24:24
Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, Shanda Burch this is Chucky's then girlfriend who
24:31
Speaker 1: to this day is haunted by his death. Shanda Birch.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Thank you, Nancy. Shanna.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the day that Chucky was murdered. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to talk about. Actually, my brother's friend gave
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Speaker 1: my brother a call and my brother that's something had
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Speaker 1: happened to Chuck and that he was heard or he
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Speaker 1: was shot. And I totally didn't believe him. I just
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Speaker 1: I thought, well, that's not that's that can't be true.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't believe this. And I was just
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Speaker 1: in a state of shock. And I stayed up that
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Speaker 1: night so I could watched the eleven o'clock news to
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Speaker 1: see if if this was true, if this happened, and
25:23
Speaker 1: I stayed up and I watched it, and it happened,
25:26
Speaker 1: and I just remember not believing it. Shanda, you say
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Speaker 1: that to this day, Chuck, He's murder still haunts you. Explained, Well, Nancy,
25:41
Speaker 1: when you're twelve years old, you don't really know how
25:44
Speaker 1: to handle, you know, something so huge like that, and
25:49
Speaker 1: it was something that you didn't know what to do.
25:51
Speaker 1: You didn't know how to help, you didn't know who
25:53
Speaker 1: to talk to, and so it took a long long
25:57
Speaker 1: time to process that information, and you know, way into adulthood.
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Speaker 1: And UM, to this day, it's still it's still difficult
26:05
Speaker 1: to talk about. UM. You know, it makes you not
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Speaker 1: trust people, and it makes you feel this is still
26:12
Speaker 1: going on and there's no answers. I love you, Shana.
26:33
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shanda, how do you believe
26:40
Speaker 1: this has affected your life? Um, It's affected my life tremendously. UM.
26:49
Speaker 1: He was my best friend and we loved each other,
26:53
Speaker 1: we really did. And UM, and I think if he
26:57
Speaker 1: would have lived, I really do think that we would
27:00
Speaker 1: have been together, or I at least have been best
27:03
Speaker 1: friends and been in our life. You know, I think
27:07
Speaker 1: he would still be a part of my life, and
27:09
Speaker 1: I've always felt like there was something missing in my
27:13
Speaker 1: life and you just can't replace that. Well, he really
27:20
Speaker 1: cared so much for you, and I'm so glad that
27:24
Speaker 1: he had a chance in his early years to to
27:28
Speaker 1: fall in love, to be able to experience that, and
27:32
Speaker 1: he did love you. Kathy. Please tell the story about
27:37
Speaker 1: him finding your emerald ring. Oh yeah, we were going
27:40
Speaker 1: through my jewelry and it was just an emerald, an
27:44
Speaker 1: emerald cut emerald playing to you know ring. It wasn't
27:48
Speaker 1: really fancy, but he fell in love with that. He says, Mama,
27:53
Speaker 1: keep that ring because I'm going to give that to
27:56
Speaker 1: Shando one day. And I said, okay, Darling, I will.
28:00
Speaker 1: In fact, I buried him with that. Oh. I put
28:05
Speaker 1: it on his little finger because that was one of
28:08
Speaker 1: the things that was so important to him. And he
28:11
Speaker 1: would go on my jewelry box every once in a
28:13
Speaker 1: while and look at it, you know, and I knew
28:16
Speaker 1: how important it was, and I knew how important she
28:20
Speaker 1: was to him, So I thought, then that's where it
28:25
Speaker 1: needs to be with him. Guys, Chucky Mark a little
28:28
Speaker 1: boy who just goes to a convenience store to get candy.
28:32
Speaker 1: It's part of a strip mall Water Robins, Georgia. We
28:36
Speaker 1: still don't have answers, but today we're learning a lot
28:39
Speaker 1: of clues. I want to circle back to Chris Panacheck
28:44
Speaker 1: at a red light in a car with his sister,
28:46
Speaker 1: Seize Chucky talking to his killer. Sitting in a solid
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Speaker 1: white car outside the convenience store. Seize Chucky started to
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Speaker 1: drive off white mail Buick Hype car seventy nine eighty
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Speaker 1: one Regal or Grand Prix two door. I want you
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Speaker 1: to think, Chris, is there anything rack your brain? Did
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Speaker 1: the guy have his arm hanging out? Did he have
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Speaker 1: a tattoo? Was he wearing a watch? Is there anything
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Speaker 1: the tires on the car? Anything you can tell us.
29:21
Speaker 1: I was under hypnoticed by by mister Ankler with the
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Speaker 1: house Kang share department. I think two or three times,
29:28
Speaker 1: and I'm My memory of this car is so the
29:32
Speaker 1: emblem on the on the vehicle, it's beating on the
29:34
Speaker 1: fender behind the front tire of that car. That's why
29:37
Speaker 1: I say it's a beauty. It's like a beautic Regal
29:38
Speaker 1: because it was a it's like a night symbol. It's
29:41
Speaker 1: crest the or you know, like over in England that
29:44
Speaker 1: family family crest and it's a red, white and blue crest.
29:48
Speaker 1: And that just I mean, I just always stuck red
29:51
Speaker 1: white and blue type crest on the back fender front.
29:56
Speaker 1: Did you say, the front fender to the car, right
29:58
Speaker 1: on the front car fender, right behind the front tire,
30:03
Speaker 1: on which side driver side? It's an emblem on the
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Speaker 1: on the vehicle. It's like the It's on both sides
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Speaker 1: of right and lift. But I know I've seen it
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Speaker 1: on the left side of the vehicle when I was
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Speaker 1: coming to the vehicle. Oh, you mean not on the
30:16
Speaker 1: fender but on the body of the carr itself. No,
30:19
Speaker 1: on the fender of the car, right behind the right
30:20
Speaker 1: behind the fender wheel of the front tire. I understand
30:23
Speaker 1: it a lot of a lot of card better had
30:25
Speaker 1: a little crest is like grigles. I do believe, Chyl.
30:29
Speaker 1: I've never heard that, Cheryl McCollum, I've never heard that
30:33
Speaker 1: that should limit what kind of car it is. And
30:35
Speaker 1: answer That's why I was trying to say earlier, this
30:37
Speaker 1: is such a money tree. We now know there was
30:40
Speaker 1: only one person in the car. He was white. The
30:44
Speaker 1: type of the car, something is detailed as that crest
30:47
Speaker 1: being behind the wheel and all to me, this is
30:52
Speaker 1: such a visual there's gonna be somebody from making to
30:56
Speaker 1: Warner Robins tips and even that car are is significant.
31:01
Speaker 1: This is not the first crime that person committed, and
31:04
Speaker 1: it's not the first crime they committed in that vehicle.
31:08
Speaker 1: To Cathy's mom, wait, let me ask us to Levi
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Speaker 1: Pay's joining me crime online dot com. Levi. I just
31:14
Speaker 1: did a Google search and the Buick logo, Nancy, there
31:18
Speaker 1: was a Buick logo and it was in red, white
31:21
Speaker 1: and blue back in the day, the former logo of Buick,
31:24
Speaker 1: So that could be what Chris saw when he was
31:27
Speaker 1: examining the car. And what's interesting, Nancy, what we know
31:30
Speaker 1: about the evidence in this case is that when Chucky
31:33
Speaker 1: was found, he was still gripping the receipt to the
31:36
Speaker 1: store and the bubble gum in his hand, which means
31:39
Speaker 1: he's left the store. He was also shot in the
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Speaker 1: back of the head, which means that his back was
31:44
Speaker 1: to the perpetrator when the perpetrator shot him, which means
31:48
Speaker 1: that something could have happened, Nancy, that scared Chucky. This
31:51
Speaker 1: guy could have creeped him out, and he tried to
31:53
Speaker 1: get away, and that's when the guy shot him to
31:55
Speaker 1: keep him from talking about their conversation or what he
31:59
Speaker 1: tried to do to Chuck LEVI, if you' don't mind,
32:02
Speaker 1: please send me the photo that you manage to get
32:05
Speaker 1: a red, white and blue. I guarantee it's going to
32:08
Speaker 1: be in the shape of an old English coat of
32:12
Speaker 1: arms light which is a shield of sorts. Wow, okay,
32:18
Speaker 1: you know with me? Is Chris Panachek, who was at
32:21
Speaker 1: the red light and saw Chucky just moments, literally seconds
32:25
Speaker 1: before he was murdered. Shanda Birch, his little girlfriend who
32:29
Speaker 1: was still dealing with the fallout of his murder. Jason Cranford,
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Speaker 1: his friend joining us in Colorado who has put up
32:35
Speaker 1: a one hundred thousand dollar reward. Jason question for anyone
32:41
Speaker 1: that can give you a call or a tip, how
32:44
Speaker 1: do we reach you regarding that reward? Oh? Well, everybody
32:48
Speaker 1: on this call has myself phone number, in my email,
32:51
Speaker 1: my Facebook. If there's any other type of contact you
32:54
Speaker 1: want me provided, I can provide it and the tipline
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Speaker 1: that we have for seven eight five four two zero
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Speaker 1: eight zero. Chris pet Robillard neighborhood that saw Chucky the
33:06
Speaker 1: afternoon before he was killed. Cheryl McCollum, Director Coal Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, doctor Bethany Marshall, and Kathy Miller Chucky's mom
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Speaker 1: question out to you, Let me go to Jason Cranford
33:20
Speaker 1: putting up one hundred thousand dollar reward. How did you
33:24
Speaker 1: guys all get together to join me today? Oh so
33:29
Speaker 1: that every year there's a Chuck Mark Facebook support group
33:33
Speaker 1: of some memorial page, and every year around the anniversary,
33:37
Speaker 1: people start posting in there. This year's Shanda Birch made
33:41
Speaker 1: a post that you know, really got to me and
33:43
Speaker 1: started reminding me of what happened. And I have a
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old son now, and so it really get
33:51
Speaker 1: home this year because of the age of my son
33:53
Speaker 1: and the age of Chucky when he died. And you know,
33:56
Speaker 1: I've been very successful in my business adventures, and you know,
34:01
Speaker 1: the reward is something I feel as the least that
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Speaker 1: I could do to help Miss Miller get some peace
34:07
Speaker 1: with this. You know, she's getting old and I would
34:09
Speaker 1: like to see this happened in her lifetime. I had
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Speaker 1: the money. Chuck was a dear friend of mine. You know,
34:16
Speaker 1: I hung out in Miss Miller's garage. Me and Chuck
34:18
Speaker 1: worked on bicycles in there. We jumped the ramp that
34:21
Speaker 1: everybody keeps talking about. I sent pictures of that ramp. Then,
34:25
Speaker 1: you know, I think that after he left Chris Pete's house,
34:28
Speaker 1: he came over to the ramp that we all built
34:30
Speaker 1: and we were all jumping that ramp, and that was
34:32
Speaker 1: the last time I saw him. But you know, this
34:34
Speaker 1: was my first experience with death in my life, and
34:37
Speaker 1: it's haunted me my whole life, just like it's haunted
34:39
Speaker 1: the rest of the people on this guys. I pulled
34:41
Speaker 1: up that ambulance Levi sent me, and it is red,
34:44
Speaker 1: white and blue, and it looks like a coat of arms.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing, and right now I am sending it Levi.
34:53
Speaker 1: I pass it on to Brett really quickly so he
34:56
Speaker 1: can pass it on to Chris Panacheck and see if
34:59
Speaker 1: that's even remote what he saw. Guys. Tip line regarding
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Speaker 1: the reward is three zero three eight four two zero
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Speaker 1: one seven nine repeat three zero three eight four two
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Speaker 1: zero one seven nine. Could this emblem on the side
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Speaker 1: of that vehicle be the tip that cracks this case
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Speaker 1: wide open? Guys, the search for Chucky Mack's killer goes on.
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Speaker 1: Please help us hit the case up and put it
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Speaker 1: to rest. The tip line four seven eight five four
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Speaker 1: two two zero eight zero. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing
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Speaker 1: off good bye friend,