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Travis Wilson on Brain Trauma, Healing, and Project R3CON · Broken Brains with Bruce Parkman

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  SPEAKER_00: Hey folks, welcome to another edition of Broken Brain with your host, Bruce Parkman, sponsored by the Mac Parkman Foundation, where we look at the issue of repetitive brain trauma in two forms: repetitive head impacts from contact sports and repetitive blast exposure for our military veterans.
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  SPEAKER_00: And how these two conditions are affecting the brains and the mental health of our kids, our athletes, and our veterans.
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  SPEAKER_00: And why do we do this is because this is not taught in any medical nursing psychological or med suicide prevention training program in this country.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's why you need to be informed, for you are the first line of defense for those that you love.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we bring on authors and doctors and researchers and scientists and patients and victims and parents so that you get three, you get that 360-degree holistic view of this issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can make informed decisions about those you love and those that you know are suffering.
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  SPEAKER_00: On our show today, another amazing guest.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where Denny finds these guys, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Travis Wilson's Travis Wilson is a 20-year U.S.
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  SPEAKER_00: Army veteran and former Green Beret with over 13 years in Special Forces.
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  SPEAKER_00: He began his career in 1995 as an airborne medic before earning his place as an 18 Echo communications specialist with the 10th Special Forces Group in Colorado Springs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: That means he's very smart because Echoes and Deltas are the smartest guys in Special Forces, and everybody that can't pass those becomes Bravos and Charlies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just so you know, very smart man.
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  SPEAKER_00: After retiring in 2017, Travis channeled his passion for health and performance into entrepreneurship, Alpha Elite Performance, a premium supplement brand rooted in the strength, discipline, and professionalism of the Special Forces community.
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  SPEAKER_00: Through Alpha Elite Performance, Travis continues his mission to help both military and civilian athletes reap peach physical and mental performance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Travis, welcome to the show, buddy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Bruce.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's good to see you again, my man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, last time I saw you, I think it was one of them big sophic parties, I think uh a couple years ago was uh one of those uh, you know, one of the after events that the Global Soft Foundation holds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've we've ran into each other a number of different times.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I did see uh Mick and I and I I meant to stop by and say hi to you, but uh I got real busy and then I had to leave pretty quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I see you everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you guys are at Mick.
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  SPEAKER_00: Good for you, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I thought I saw your booth.
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  SPEAKER_00: I uh uh dude, that was a crazy show, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Lot of interest in what we're both doing there, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought I think I think I'll go back, you know, it was pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was my I was a keynote speaker there a few years back, and then uh I've just always gone back and and uh and supported and and participated this year.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, have you done MCON?
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  SPEAKER_00: We just figured that we finished that one in Las Vegas this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: I haven't been able to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now's the time around MCON is when my I don't know, life gets real busy between nonprofit space and and supplement industry.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is kind of peak season as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So good on you, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we just it was it was okay show.
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  SPEAKER_00: But anyways, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hey, tell us what's going on, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh let's let's talk about your military career first.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's let's talk about you know, what what did you do in the military and and and how is that obviously affecting what you're doing post-career?
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, so I'll start even before that with my father being a PJ Pararescue guy and then you know becoming a PA.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mother was in the nursing field as well, so I was always around health and and wellness and in the medical field, so kind of always had an interest in that, kind of excelled at the sciences in high school and and uh did really bad though in in all the other things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But joined the army uh after a year at a at a preparatory school for college, uh Wentworth Military Academy is what it was called, dropped out, joined the Army, became a medic, loved that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh wasn't good enough, you know, so I went to selection in '99 to become a Green Beret, got selected, really kind of pissed off the regiment and saying, hey, actually, I want to go back to school if you guys can just hold out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they didn't like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I did end up going back to school to Boise State, um, learning exercise science.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the war started kicking off, and man, I was like, I had to go back, you know, went back into the army and called up the regiment, said, Hey, I'm back.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to be a Green Beret.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're like, no, go to war.
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  SPEAKER_01: Call us later.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, went to the went to war for a year, and while I was there, I was a medic in a in a trauma, you know, forest surgical trauma team in an ER, the 21st Combat Supposed Hospital.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whole time I was there, once we got phones, I called the regiment, said, Hey, I want to go back.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're like, Okay, cool, we'll take you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need bodies.
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  SPEAKER_01: So fortunately, didn't have to go back through selection.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh went to the Q course, became a Green Beret.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh Yeah, and then, you know, back-to-back deployments there at 10th group, you know, once I showed up in 05 and it was non-stop, you know, just doing whatever I say that I was a mediocre Green Beret, you know, did everything that I think all the other Green Berets did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just went to combat, enjoyed it, saved a life, kicked in some doors, and uh did things for my nation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, which was weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nah man, echoes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a lot, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I used to have a leg key in Morse code, man, back in my day, dude, in the jungles of South America.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that's what that was comms for us, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: Blind transmission broadcast, 160 comp BDBs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's all changed.
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  SPEAKER_00: First class that didn't have Morse code.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, you got over, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: God dang.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dang, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: That thing whooped my ass, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's no fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was so happy when I graduated.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh, yeah, then I think we got our first satellite radio just as I was, I think I was leaving Panama.
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, by the time I was retiring, everybody had satellite this and satellite that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I mean, back then we used to have little metal before the DMDG, these little federal metal tapes from Vietnam that they used to record.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was nuts, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh so you finished up as an 18 echo, all right, or Lia Zulu?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, uh, just an echo.
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  SPEAKER_01: I so I had a near fatal free fall accident towards the end of my career, and uh they gave me an opportunity to heal up, so I took every opportunity to do just that, as opposed to sitting around moping and worrying about my my ailments.
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  SPEAKER_01: I but I had disc replacement surgery, I've had two partial knee replacements, ACO reconstruction, surgeries and all, and uh, and then spent eight weeks at the brain treatment center and then went over to the RC and did a lot of intel stuff over there, which didn't require kicking indoors and all that good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Lou Palka, Command Sergeant Major Lou Palka kind of recruited me for that, so I'm thankful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I didn't I didn't get the boot, the medical boot.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I got to stay in and retire, and uh and that's what I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was a crazy one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Night night uh night dust devil did me in there in Eloy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we were getting ready to go on a deployment, and I turned on final 500 feet, the right side of my canopy decided to fold up, and uh so I just burned in.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just burned it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had enough lift to uh to keep me alive, but it it was it was quite the impact.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ha!
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  SPEAKER_00: Dude, yeah, I mean, I yeah, no fun, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, you know, thank and and this is what I want the audience to understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, what what Travis goes through, like we we all have near fatal stories.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I almost died eight times in you know, vehicle rollovers, helicopter crashes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, dude, it this it's but some of us end up getting damaged more than others, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't even bring up the combat stories because we I, you know, like you, you know, we all had those blast injuries and that overpressure.
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  SPEAKER_01: I liked it earlier in the show when you started this, you talk about sports.
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  SPEAKER_01: I grew up playing hockey.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually played hockey at Boise State, so I wanted to go back to school, but played hockey and football.
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  SPEAKER_01: So used my head a lot, you know, in defense of the puck or the football.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, so and what's interesting too is that in the special operations community, they're finding out that all of us, well, most of us, have really crappy father-son relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: Don't know why, it's just part of what who we are.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of us are.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the other part is they're finding out that a lot of us, you know, and a lot of people in the military played contact sports before they joined.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's, you know, it's like, you know, and that, of course, that damage, you know, that doesn't become apparent to later on, but it does contribute over time, you know, the, you know, uh to it, it just becomes exacerbated by what we do as professional soldiers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's dive into that for a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tell us about you know the repetitive blast exposure that you went through as a green beret, even though you say you're a mediocre Green Beret, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, no but all right, tell us what mediocre Green Berets go through, you know, when you join the army, you know, and you end up going to back-to-back-to-back tours.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I want you to focus on, you know, did it ever end?
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  SPEAKER_00: You said it was non-stop.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you're either going to combat or training for combat, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, but 2005 to 2011 was really combat deployments.
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  SPEAKER_01: A couple Northern Africa, you know, deployments, but you know, a coup was happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was some shit that went down there as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: But does it ever stop?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, then I in the RSE I ended up deploying, but to Eastern Europe.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can imagine what that was like.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was just some Intel shit at an embassy, you know, trying to get rid of all the women that want to chase you around.
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  SPEAKER_01: So all the honey pots.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was combat there too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and then in the war in El Salvador, they had it saying, like, if you if you if you met a girl and you kind of linked up for the night, it was called a combate de encuentra, which was the which was the tourum for actually an a firefight engagement.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what they said in Spanish.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I hear you, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, all those glass injuries, you know, in Iraq, even as a young Green Beret, I was tasked to, and this is where we don't think about the brain and that overpressure and blast exposure.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was tasked to go into the corner of a room, take a piece of plywood, and put it, you know, against one wall and against the other, and I was in that A-frame of that wall with a camera filming our little jundys throwing in those flash banks.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had to throw it towards me, and it would usually bounce off that plywood or land right in front of me, and then boom, and then they would come in and and practice CQB as we were teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I was in there for a good three, four hours just filming these dudes throwing in concussion grenades.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, what does that do to a dude's head, even behind a plywood?
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have my helmet on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was I just ducked and uh in a concrete room.
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  SPEAKER_01: In a concrete room, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was like, stay in there, Trav, and film so we can get this great cover.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, we we need storyboard stuff and all that crap.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, but we don't think about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then you go out and you do combat and and firefights and all that.
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  SPEAKER_01: IED that overpressure is legit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had two of those go go off near me, and that is an overpressure that, you know, will rattle your brain.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it'll rattle your teeth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you combine that with my free fall accident and what I had there with that TBI.
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  SPEAKER_01: Life gets a little difficult after that, you know, as far as relationships, as far as emotion, as far as focus and attention span.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I found out the hard way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was still mildly, mildly, there's that word again.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was I was somewhat intelligent, but I worked through it, but found out that, you know, well, and then what the Army wanted to do was throw ADHD medicine at you, like, oh, well, you got ADHD now, and you just have PTSD.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm telling you, there was nothing in my career that I that that messed with me as far as PTSD is concerned.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was it was a head injury.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it when and I found that out later when I went to the brain treatment center and got to see those scans and what my brain really looked like.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and and that's where we started that MERT magnetic electroresonance therapy, which I started to notice right away.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But from that, you know, started dabbling in stem cells.
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  SPEAKER_01: Huge science.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, so before we uh because MERT's a big topic, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about that a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, let's go back to I mean, you you as a as a you know mediocre, modally grinded Green Beret guy, you're glossing over a lot of really cool shit here, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean so I just don't want any, yeah, I just don't want anything to come back, you know, and be like, I know, I'm not willing to.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know, the thing is I want people to understand that, you know, you show you throwing a concussion grenade, that's one type of, you know, when you engage in combat, how often were you wearing, you know, ear protection?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, actually, I was wearing uh all the time, really, except there was a few times where I had it off when I was talking on a hand mic, but I was dual comms usually with those Peltours, so I was running uh I was running those Peltours quite often.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the issue with blast exposure is just I mean the ears are the easiest channel in, but it does come through the whole head.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you're talking incoming, you're talking outgoing, you know, AT4s, calcus staffs, you know, bunch all this is trauma.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then you talk about an IED.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they they don't those things are bombs, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like you get a double, maybe a triple type of uh well, even in car accidents, when your brain hits, you know, you get hit and your brain hits the front of your brain and then it sloshes back and comes.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's three modes of brain damage in a car accident.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like in in an IED, it's kind of the same way.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have that and then it like it feels like it comes back at you or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not just a rush of air over your head, it's a pressure.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so even with Pell tours, those are Gen 1 Pell tours, so I can't imagine you know, they they were the greatest, but I enjoyed them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, well, they they help you talk in the radio without just holding a mic to earlier in my day.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: What'd you say, sir?
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's actually communicating over, you know, the radio, which is kind of cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, and I just, you know, you know, I like people to kind of dive into that a little bit so that our audience understands that you know, we're talking years, and then you come back from combat, and then we go, you you start training for the next iteration.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what's that what's that look like?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's you know You get home, you you you get a little time with mama and family, and then you're right back into the training cycle, which you know, we're all we have to get that demo pay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're doing demo door charges, uh going to the range for weeks at a time, which isn't a bad thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's fun, it's a good time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of that overpressure, that continuous overpressure uh during you know during range time, you know, it adds up as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and like the demo stuff, free fall stuff, every landing is just you know controlled chaos.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's even at night on a free fall jump, it's uh it's half breaks and you're balling up into a ball and and uh and hitting the ground hard.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: So static line, even worse, I think.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: You still had to maintain that, you know, sometimes.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I did 65 of those and quit.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I never had it.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was on Halo status for I don't know, 12 years, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went through in 88, and then I retired in 01.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just jumped for pay.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: I could never get on a Halo team, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So every three months, you know, if there was a Halo jump, of course, I'd rather do that than static line stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you know, but I I never did all the night jumps you guys did with Chem Lacks.
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  SPEAKER_01: We would do those jump requalls, and that's 30 jumps in in a month, you know, like or in three weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you're really hauling through those jumps.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you don't really get to jump slick.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's usually, hey, we're jumping at night with with something, you know, to include bundles.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: Bundles, rucksacks, rifles.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: I tell people all the time that all the crap that I had to strap on my body, and I never did it like, you know, you guys did it for real.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: I did it for pay, right?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I jumped a lot of slick stuff too.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, yeah, that's uh there's a lot of damage, dude.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you end up retiring.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, obviously you get the physiological issues that you're dealing with from the jump, you know, and just from all the the trauma that our bodies go through when we do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: When did you notice that your mental health started being impacted?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: Was it while you're in?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because you said you they would prescribe you ADHD stuff.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, honestly, uh I would after I think my third deployment, I was angry and it wasn't anger at anyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was just irritated, you know, and not because we were training, deploying, or leaving.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't, you know, the the now ex-wife, it wasn't her at that time.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't it was just an irritation that wouldn't go away.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and later learned, you know, that my brain was fire hot red, you know, from from damage.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: The frequencies were gone.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were they were offset.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we all have a frequency in our brain, and mine were just, you know, compl the knob was turned completely 180.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: So um that's it was after my third deployment, 20 uh 2008 or nine, uh eight, I think, uh is when I started to notice that.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and just and it just started to progress progress.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and then really kind of kicked in after my free fall accident.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I I was sent to the basement for a little bit, and uh Rolf Jensen, Sergeant Major Jensen at that time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rolf made Sergeant Major?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: As a matter of fact, you know what?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: I did see him at 10th Good.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: There was a reunion there.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I was like, you know, he did, he did made Sergeant Major.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Him and Tommy uh some of the the I worked with Rolf, he was an E7, I think, back in my day back then.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: What a great guy.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you're gonna say Sandoval, but he Yeah, Tom Um he was a big tatted guy, man.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Did some time in South Africa.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: He was uh on um Ricky Peterson's team.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll think of his name, but he became Sergeant Major, but Bill Clark, a whole bunch of guys that I that worked for me back in the day.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: But Rolf, man, Rolf was that he was one of those guys that you never thought, right?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Back he was crazy back in my day, man.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: But what a great dude.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, hey man, I need you to write the entire SOP for 10th Group's air operations, please.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Just rewrite it.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so I did that.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it was then I was like, I can't focus.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting here trying to type, copy, and paste a lot of stuff because air operations don't really change, but you know, there's a lot of new things that come in, you know, shoots and all that stuff.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Got a lot of travel out of that because you know, I had to go jump in uh in Germany with that one ten, so I had to go out there a few times.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, yeah, probably right during Oktoberfest, right?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Springfest, Oktoberfest, yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: 10th group, dude.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I had to make I had to make sure that the air quality was the same, you know, and that they shoot lift, you know, all that.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: So the schnitzels weren't poisoned, yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: I care about those guys.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: But um But yeah, it went, and that's when I went to the psych and and started figuring out that something just wasn't right, and and they confirmed it, you know.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: But again, they wanted to throw pills at me, and the pills were gonna were gonna save me.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And all that really did is I mean, I I got a little thinner.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: I was amped.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't need ADHD medicine.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't need data all, you know.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: So it was but so I threw that shit away and and then you know started focusing on my exit out of out of the service and and focusing on mental health and and reaching out to folks about it.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Paying out of pocket for you know for shrinks and stuff.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so Yeah, no, dude.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: So once you got out, what was your focus then, man?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously, I want to talk about how you're driving where you're where you're at right now.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, tell us about the transition because a lot of people don't know how tough it is, man.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you transition.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I transitioned before there was 9-11, so it was, you know, I'm getting ready to become a Walmart guard.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's how bad it was.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have a network, there was no defense contracting jobs, but it hasn't, the the toughness hasn't changed at all.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's still a trial, man.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us, tell us about your transition.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I started to prepare for my transition early.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I did start a business when I was active duty, a supplement store in Colorado Springs called Caliber Nutrition.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then that turned into uh caliber nutrition and fitness.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I hired, or I didn't hire, I just had personal trainers work in my facility and they essentially rented out booth space.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: They rented out the gym and they did some personal training in there and then sold supplements to them.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then so because of that, I had a plan, and and I had this plan, you know, a year out.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: So my transition was a little different out in that I had already had some sort of job that I was gonna fall into having my own business.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And now granted, I had just I was going through a divorce, or I just finished up a divorce, uh, which kind of threw a wrench in things, but I still had a I had a plan.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I can't say that it was perfect, but it was a plan.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's something I tell people now is to have that plan.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Start working on that plan a year out.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: When it came down to the physical things, I started from head to toe writing all those things down a year and a half to two years out.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's this scar from?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Why does this thumb look bigger than this thumb?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and they looked at that and they gave me a percentage for this growth that I don't have over here.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so if somebody does that, they they start that plan writing everything down.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: But that helps a great deal.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh yeah, so I would say that it wasn't perfect, but it was a good plan.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: But then, you know, thinking about my brain, because I was still fired up, you know, at that point.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I started dabbling in in uh in the in the brain space, you know, to to to get it right.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Can't say that my divorce was because of anything that I did because of my brain, but maybe I could have been a little bit more compassionate and fought for something, you know, to save that that relationship, you know, instead of just not caring.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because there is a lack of empathy when your brain isn't isn't working.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Apathy is a big I mean, my son was highly apathetic before he took his life.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't care about anything.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought he wasn't he was getting ready to join the army.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's just you as a teenager, right?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, to your point, man, it's it is it is an out it is part of you know the outcome of the damage.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you, I I I haven't been able to tell you that I'm sorry for the loss of your son.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I heard about it, and uh I can't imagine what you went through, but I'm sorry.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Nah, dude, that's why we're talking, man.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is how I'm making it up to him.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'll see him again.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and this is talking to you and and guys like you and girls out there to get the word out that, hey, we're all good human beings.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: We've all made mistakes, we've all been impacted, and uh, we got to change this stuff, dude.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what we're working on with the military and the VA right now is to, you know, we'll talk about this is to make a lot of stuff that you're talking about free of charge for any veteran.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: But we got to find these guys, we got to let them know, you know, because the difference between your story and most of the stories we hear is that these guys didn't know they were messed up, right?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: They were just crazy, or they believed in the PTSD story, and I saw too many bodies or I killed too many people, which no doubt is traumatic.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: But they overlooked damage to this brain, which you were significantly aware of on your way out, and that makes a big difference.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it scared me.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: You we talk about suicide because there were and I had just had a conversation not too long about this, where I had a week of my life that suicide was on the on the docket, it was on the plate.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because I had lost a well, I'll I'll take it all the way back, and maybe this affected me as well.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I've I've lost a son, and I've been married three times, and and that first wife and I uh we're friends now, but I think that our relationship ended because of the loss of our son.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then I lost a family, I lost my father, I broke my back and a lot of other parts of my body on that jump, and it just all really compounded.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and I thought, what an easy thing to do to just suck start a shotgun.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought about that for a week, and it was a brief week.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think about it every day, but I was like, man, it would just be easy.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And would anybody.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I think what would what saved me from that is that my ex-wife's cousin out of the blue called me and said, Hey, why don't you come to church with us this Sunday?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't a big church goer at all.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I went to a Christian school as a kid, but lost that that faith.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I was like, you know what, I will go.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll meet a girl.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody says you meet women.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's there's uh Green Beret rationale to that story, you know.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: We could Yeah.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, all right, well, let me uh let me go to church.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'll meet uh uh you know a hottie, you know, who can save me.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Why else go to church, right?
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's what the way when my wife took me to my first church service, exactly.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: I went with a hottie, but you know, I got you.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that was my thought.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: So that's you know, that's that's what happened there.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: But um, but yeah, it uh I got past that and uh and just thought, man, I just I have to get my shit together.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: One for my children, uh, and two for myself, and then whatever future relationship I have, but also my career, you know, and and what what am I doing next?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: What's next, and how can I prosper and do really well at that.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that was just kind of getting it right upstairs, you know, and and and of course correcting the damage that had been done.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: So talk about it.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard for a lot of people to recognize that.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'd say that I I had some help with, you know, my my ex-wife's cousin, you know, asking me to church and having conversation, realizing that Adderall really was a pain in the ass medication that just made me feel really weird.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and then also I'd say that at that time money was a big driving force.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted my company to to take off and do really well, um, which then turned into what Alpha Lee Performance is today, which is my own supplement line.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I So let's talk about putting yourself back together.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've all had journeys, you know.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've I've had mine.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us about that.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: What did you what did you do to get yourself in a better state of mind, uh mental, like brain health-wise, like the physiological part of it.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, honestly, it started with exercising a little bit more than I was, using supplements to help with brain health at that time, ginkgo boloba and all that, or whatever was was big time stuff, L-Eanine, shit like that.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then, but somebody mentioned uh that there was a nonprofit that was paying for guys to go to San Diego for for myrt.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and it wasn't the GBF at the time, but I do believe the GBF uh helped cover down on some of the costs because it's not cheap.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I I was a great candidate and was uh elected to go to the brain treatment center in San Diego for it was supposed to be six weeks, but they extended that to eight after recognizing that I needed additional treatment.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so yeah, that's that's where the journey really began for for that was MERT and just physical fitness.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know you know that and creatine.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: I knew at the time, way back then, I knew that creatine was great for cognitive thought and theory and brain health, and then a lot of people didn't recognize that then.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was just strictly a muscle-building uh you know product.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: But creatine is great for cognitive healing and just maintenance.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone's in creatine every day.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Dial into that because Denny mentioned that a little bit earlier.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so dial this is the first time I've heard of creatine and brain health being associated.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: So if you could talk, can you talk to us about that a little bit?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just helps with ATP release and and a number of things.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't speak to the science of it as much as a doctor can, but I can tell you that there has been a lot of studies done in the last few years in elderly, in a lot of people within, you know, in homes, elderly homes, you know, they're they're giving them anywhere between five and twenty grams of creatine a day, and they're recognizing that this is, you know, it well, they did recognize that it increased uh cognitive thought.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think I said theory a minute ago.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Not theory, thought cognitive thought.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: 18 echo radio stuff is all theory, but science is science.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Diddy da da da da da da.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I hear you, man.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's it's creatine is phenomenal.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I I do five grams every day.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, creatine and caffeine, they're finding don't really work well together when you want to build muscle, but I put creatine, five grams of creatine, uh one scoop into my coffee in the morning because it's tasteless and I'm getting my creatine.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I like the caffeine.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a caffeine junkie, I'm currently drinking coffee now.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta talk about that.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm off it because I'm going on some an Ibogaine journey next week.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: So just yeah, just just uh so I want to be able to walk the walk, right?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so we can talk about that as well because I've done some stuff with that.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, creatine is great, and and I highly recommend uh creatine for cognitive thought and and and yeah, that's that that's that's cool.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so tell us about your MERT because I just came across this about on my podcast about nine months ago.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was a Green Beret and his wife, Chris, I think in Melissa.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: They they have two clinics in Virginia, I think.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And they were talking about how this just changed their lives.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he had suffered his own sheet SF stuff.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: She was brutally beaten as a cop, and their son was nonverbal autistic.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, M E R T like helped them all so dramatically.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, but it was eight weeks, huh?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: How many treatments and and what what what's it like?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: Tell our audience a little bit about that.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you it's eight, it's eight weeks, five days a week for an hour a day.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you show up, and I'll I'll tell you that it was pretty awesome.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: I showed up and they said, Hey, let's let's go to this room, and I just want to show you some paintings.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: So went in there and the paintings were all dark and gloomy and reds and blacks and purples and just nothing that you wanted to look at.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, great, these guys suck.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're the worst artists I've ever seen in my life.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't think anything of it, other than that was a wasted, you know, five minutes of my life.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Started the sessions and and they asked me if I wanted to paint, and I was like, no, I don't want to paint, thanks.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Started the sessions and you know, for like I said, an hour a day for five days a week for eight weeks.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what my so we were in San Diego at the time, and my wife recognized when we were driving um that it she's like, Why are you driving so slow?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: We were on uh the five uh there in San Diego, the highway five, I five, whatever it's called.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just driving under the speed limit.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Why are you driving so slow?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't know, I'm just chill.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like it there was an immediate effect on calming me down on the on day one, and and that continued.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just great that I didn't need to go the same speed as everybody else.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Why in fact, why are they going so damn fast?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where are they trying to get to in a hurry?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: That was where my mindset was going.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And Emily thought that was just wicked.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: And she started telling people, like, I don't know what this voodoo shit is, but it's working.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is working.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I did that for eight weeks, and you just sit there, the Emmy R the machine, it doesn't touch your skin, but it sits, you know, in the direction or the placement that it needs to be and where the damage is.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I had a black dot on one side of my brain.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where they place that.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then the rest of my head was and brain was just oranges and reds and yellows.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they want it to be, you know, pretty colors of blues and greens and stuff.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: What scan were they?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Can I ask what scan?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: Was it a DTI scan or a spec scan?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or I think it was a spec scan.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: I had to put on the little helmet or uh cap.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they put all the could be a Q E G too.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: But um, but yeah.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: But you talk to Yeah, the colors, okay.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Got it.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they so I put that on and they do the scan, they show me what my brain looks like, and uh they're like, yeah, it's damaged, son.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, no shit.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so and did the Mert for an hour, like I said.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll go back to your point.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: This really started for children who were non-verbal autistic children, and they saw that when they doing this MERT training, that they started to speak.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so they well, what else can we use this for?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it just got into brain health and healing, and I'm changing that frequency on damaged brains.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so I thought that was genius that some of the active duty special operations guys would bring their language lab books with them because they once you're going through MERT, it increased learning.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: So they would sit there and study as opposed to I just sat there and bullshitted with the guy across from me and did some puzzles.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: They sat there and they studied language.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they cheated.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, you gotta you gotta have a one-one to get there.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't cheating, you ain't trying, bro.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: So they sat there and they studied their language because it absorbs better.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: I guess you just become more of a sponge.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what the Mert was.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: And and I'll fast forward to the end here where they took me into another room and said, What do you think about these paintings?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I was like, Oh, these are nice.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: What's the difference?
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: Why you know, why am I why are there all those dark ones over there and why are these pretty ones in here?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: And these are really nice paintings and pretty colors and all that, and happy.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Well, those paintings were pre-Mert.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then they went through their Mert sessions, and this is at the end of their Mert.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it was night and day of how they felt.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he asked me if I wanted to do a painting as well at the end.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: And and I I was like, you know, honestly, out of respect, I didn't do it, you know, the first time, I don't want to do it now, but I understand why they painted this way because this is how I feel, you know, and and it was great.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was a really good lesson, you know, on how MERT changes the brain and the functionality of it and how it heals.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now, my wife will say that I probably need some touch-up, you know, but you know, we've been married 10 years now, so it's uh we all need a we all need a touch-up, bro.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: We all need a touch-up, man.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: So how did that experience start impacting?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: So tell us about your business, right?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us about, you know, we're here to also talk about, you know, there's no we never miss a chance to make a sales pitch, right?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: So tell us, yeah, tell us about Alpha Elite, and then and then uh, you know, more to me, how did this MERT impact you as a business leader, right?
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like and husband and whole nine yards.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: So so we ended up moving to San Diego, moved out to Coronado Island and uh and started living there while I was doing MERT training or Mert therapy.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell you that I can't say that it helped the business.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: It helped me become just a better person, more focused and more driven.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've always been a driven kind of guy.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're Green Berets, we get picked for a reason, right?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it really just kind of fine-tuned or it reset where I think I was at one point in my young adult life, where I was more driven, you know, like I'm gonna be a Green Beret, I can do this.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: So now I'm, you know, I've got this business of alphalete performance, and it's it's really just starting to kick off, but I really wanted to kick off more, so was really diving into it more so than than I think before the Mert.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it uh I can't, I don't know.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've all your it's your business, it's your baby.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: You want to be driven, you gotta be, or else you'll fail, and I just am not gonna fail.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: So tell us tell us about the company.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know that the are you still on the fitness side of it?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh tell us about your supplementary.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the wife is still a personal trainer and all that stuff, and there was talk about you know doing that through our company, but it's it's strictly a uh it's alpha leaked performance.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um we provide you know supplements to stores and and and across the nation direct to consumer.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: We have two products, uh our ODA super greens, which are it's a heavy metal detox.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we have some pre and post studies that were done with it.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's approved for use by the Special Warfare Center and schools for for guys to use during the course because it it's you can't use a lot of supplements.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: But it's a heavy metal detox, it has some shroom, a shroom blend in there as well for brain health, and then all the veggies that you need for a greens drink.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it tastes it's not it doesn't taste like you're licking the bottom of a boot.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: There's no punishment involved with this.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: I just ran out of super greens to put in my protein shake, so I'll be on your website right after this.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Good, yeah.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's delicious.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee it.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then we have a sleep aid.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: Again, huge into brain health, and I know that REM sleep is where healing and recovery happens.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so this are it's called GBNT sleep, Green Beret nap time.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: I just I laid that on somebody the other day for the first time.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna get a little GBNT.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: They go, There you go.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so ours is GBNT sleep.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, granted, on the front it's it says sleep in in bigger letters, but it's GBNT sleep.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's made to get you to REM sleep.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: REM sleep is where the healing happens and and and all that good stuff.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: The downfall to that one though, and I just can't figure it out, is when you get four hours of REM, and you can see this like on a whoop app or your your iPhone watch or whatnot.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Or a ring.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: If I wake up to go pee for any reason, after four hours of rem, I kind of feel like I'm ready to go for the day.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of times I do sleep a good seven to eight hours hard.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sleep's important, Matt.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: Not all of it rem sleep, but a lot of it is now.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um that we have, yeah, so our ODA supergreens are sleep.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: We have a collagen uh with type one and three bovine.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um we have uh an immune product that uh we developed during with Dr.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: Katarina Linley out of Dallas, Texas, during the COVID, the height of COVID.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: She was a doctor who is you know absolutely against the the the shot clot and uh and and really pushed these eight natural ingredients.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: They were they're just evenly spaced out in and dosed appropriately over four capsules.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I take we take those with at bedtime uh to keep our immune system uh you know boosted.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, we've got it all minus protein.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: We had protein, we weren't known for our protein.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was delicious.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was a wonderful German blend that we sourced out of Germany, and uh, but it we just weren't known for it.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, the last economy really tanked our protein sales.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we dropped that one.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: But we've got nine or 11 products, uh testosterone boosters that help your testosterone increase naturally prior to.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: I like to use it as a precursor for guys prior to TRT therapy if needed.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have something called MPERC Muscle Performance Endurance Recovery Complex.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: That is a DeLourong deer antler, Chinese herbal medicine, and uh a little bit of green tea and a little bit of creatine in there as well.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's a three-capsule product that helps with uh recovery and uh not so much strength, but just more endurance recovery uh type healing.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm still running at my age.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: I need all the recover the recovery.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it sounds amazing, man.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just all on you can all order it online and all that.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: All online at alpha leapperformance.com.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, cool beans, dude.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you, man.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, tell us about is that Project Recon?
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: What's the Project Recon?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: I see a brain on that hat, dude.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all about brain things, man.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: What you got going on there?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I love the brain as well.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: I really do.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um I've always been in benevolence, you know, and I've always I've helped the Green Beret Foundation, worked at the Green Beret Foundation as a director of programs and community relations, started the program there.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me back up.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Got into stem cells when I had my injury and uh went out to uh the Bahamas to have my own mesenchymal cells, which it comes from your adipose tissue.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I had that sucked out, the adipose tissue get a little bit of liposuction.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: They spin it down, they get the mesenchymal stem cells and mix it with Manitol to help break the brain barrier and then uh for brain health.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I really noticed the difference with that.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: I felt great.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's a weird taste also that you get because the stem cells are going into your blood because it's an IV push.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so I was like, man, this is fascinating.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: So really just kind of read up on stem cells and cord blood stem cells versus mesenchymal and how they work.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, found that umbilical cord uh stem cells work a lot better than the mesenchymal cells, because mesenchymal cells, if you think about it, they're your own age.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they've you've got these billions and trillions of cells in your body.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even when you're in the womb of your mother, you know?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and so you've got all these stem cells in your body.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Umbilical cord, they're I mean, these little guys think of about it as an ODA, they're a special forces team, and there's that one 18 Bravo, and he knows that he needs to make work or he needs to find work, and that's what these stem cells will do.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so they'll go into the body.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: If it's if it's a the micro lesions on the brain from blasts from overpressure and stuff like that, it will find those micro lesions on the brain and it'll start getting to work.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's an 18 delta now, and he's suturing this stuff up, if you can think about it like that.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what that's what the stem cells do.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I actually ran a nonprofit as well back in the day for a hot minute, and uh take we took 24 guys out to the Bahamas at a place called Okeanos and did that procedure of of uh liposuction out of the adipose tissue and and getting their mesenchymal.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: We did it for then, we did it for everywhere from uh Chris Van Zant, former Delta guy, he had some really bad plantar fasciitis and couldn't.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he loves to climb mountains, and I think he has climbed all the 14ers in the world now.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but he and you know he he has he said that stem cells really saved his life on that earth uh to brain health as well, to joint injections.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: So really I love stem cells, and and I plan to make a product with it as well.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't already working on it.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I we had a stem cell guy on the show, and he was saying that the adipose, the brown fat, they're like they're the young, they they replace themselves every seven days.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're supposed to be like the newest cells or anything, something like that.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they're coming from the ones that are already in there.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's not wrong by any means.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: It really just depends on who you talk to.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: But not as good as umbilical.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Brand new babies, man.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Those things are great and they're washed.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: And when I say wash, the blood, you know, things are taken out of them and all that, so there's no A positive.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're not putting somebody else's blood in your system.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: But these bad boys are ready to rock and roll.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so at Project Recon, and so it's a nonprofit that I started, ProjectRecon.org.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: We provide stem cell therapy for soft operators, guy or girl, anybody that can show us that they were in a soft unit and has a diagnosed TBI, moderate to severe, mild as well.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: We provide stem cell therapy for them for their TBI, for the effects of TBI to combat those effects of TBI.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so we're working on a couple guys right now.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: One's a pretty serious case that we're we're raising additional funds for because he's also a cop in California.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: He's a former Green Beret.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he's a he's a herd.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Cops don't get a break.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Cops.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, our first responders don't get a break, dude.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um good for you, man.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, I mean, it it's uh yeah, let us know.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, uh if we can how we can help spread the word, you know, and help or raise money, man.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: We'll we'll we'll get the word out there.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'll talk to you after the show because I got a I got a bad shoulder.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they're great for, and we can we can square you away.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is it you know, they they direct inject that those stem cells into that pocket of the shoulder, and they get in there and they start working on that cartilage and they start to help repair.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: You got 102 different cells in your body.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: These stem cells, these cord blood stem cells, are looking for anything to stick themselves to top.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: So there's no way it's gonna repair that gap.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm missing a rotator to rotate a tear, man.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's well, so that is the one place on my body.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: I've had five surgeries on this shoulder.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one place that it just didn't feel it take like it did in other places.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, ankle reconstruction.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: I had a cadaver ligament put in and all that stuff.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh man, my ankle is wonderful.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great post-surgery.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I was looking if I got that tear repair, but I'm looking at different procedures.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk after the show, man.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, dude, I'm into this, this, this health stuff, man.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh good.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: But it's amazing what you're doing for the brain.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: So tell us how, because so how how do the stem cells cross the the brain blood, the blade, the brain blood barrier, man?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: How do they do you have to adapt them or something?
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or do they cross naturally?
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: They cross naturally.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you direct inject them into the spinal cord region area, then they'll they'll definitely get to the brain in that cerebral spinal fluid.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: But that is the best way to do it.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: That is a surgical procedure.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that you have to be in a sterile environment at a hospital to do that.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: And in some cases, for severe cases, you know, that's what uh is done.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: For the most part, we do it IV.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: And what we like to have are patients that also don't have a lot of other injuries because we want as many of those stem cells to go to the brain to help heal those micro lesions and damage to the brain.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it but they can have a missing limb.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so, I mean, stem cells don't regrow your limb, but we just don't want them to have just been in an accident with other massive healing going on.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: So they definitely to be a good candidate, they have to really just we're focusing on the brain.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: So some of those good candidates are like, you know, the gentleman we're trying to raise some money for is that he's had multiple, you know, TBIs that are really, really declining his cognitive space and his in his brain.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: And if you know the story about Major Darren Baldwin, who passed away because of you know those effects and the symptoms of his TBIs and those two blasts that he had.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Ten years it took him from a healthy West Point badass Green Beret to nonverbal, non-moving quad, you know, who who passed.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, and thanks for bringing him up.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well I was, you know, when I we we we I I was fortunate enough to help the Green Beret Foundation start.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and he was, you know, one of the you know guys that we showcased, you know, for you know, to raise money and say, look, this is what's happening to our guys.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: But you know what?
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't I didn't even know back then, you know, I thought it was just the impact of those two IEDs.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know it was also I didn't know about brain trauma, dude.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: You think as a Green Beret, all the combat deployments, all that additional trauma, in addition to those two blasts, think about what that what that did to them, man.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, Bruce, we're I mean, I wouldn't call it an epidemic, but like since 2009, I think there's been 433 diagnosed recorded uh moderate to severe TBIs in the military.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and a lot of those, you know, there's a lot of soft guys that go undiagnosed because I want to stay on the teams.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, you know, I can't go to the hospital.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: But we're seeing what I'm told is is when these guys are getting out, they have those TBIs and that that brain damage, and it's causing them to act the way that they're acting with the just the I don't give a shit attitude, you know, I've lost my sense of self, but who gives a shit?
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's really gonna recognize me anyway.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that it's it's when they get out, they do lose this, they have this loss of self and uh loss of identity, and they think that nobody's gonna be able to relate to them.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that that there's some brain trauma, you know, to that.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because they shouldn't be thinking that way.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: A Green Beret is a guy who can adapt.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: He can, you know, like I said, you know, get in and find work, make work.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: These guys should be getting out with a healthy brain so that they can get out, find work, make work for them, as opposed to just sitting around not doing anything and moping.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then a lot of guys are doing that, and what are they doing at the end?
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're committing suicide.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll tell you, a soft operator will commit suicide quicker than shit.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: They won't tell you about it.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're not gonna ask for help.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're just like, I'm done, boom.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: We are, you know, I've had a lot of, you know, I was on that boat, that SF cruise a couple years ago, man.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of boys there that I'm like, man, sorry, you gotta stop drinking.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just, you know, but then I, you know, I also ran into guys that have been through Ibogaine and they're like, hey, let's have some sparkling water, bro.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: And these are like like I used to drink with these men back like Vikings, right?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: But to your point, you know, there are too many of our men and women getting out and they feel like they're all alone, dude.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of it is, you know, emotional dysregulation due to brain damage that they don't know about.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: They just think this is the way it is.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: They're depressed, they get out, and then I don't know why, you know, we don't communicate, man.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we just don't, you know, we just we don't share the love, man.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're not looking out for each other, and we're not, and I think more importantly, we're not looking for help.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: And these men and women will sit out there until they're done and they're like, I'm out of here, dude.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: And when we know that there's so many things, you just outlined, you know, you know, three or four treatments that can help them get back on their feet.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: You haven't even mentioned psychedelics or stellate ganglion blocks or brain optimization and H bot, vagus nerve stimulation, photobiomodulation, all these other things that are out there.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's an entire Chinese food menu that we're pushing at in Congress right now to say, look, you know, the brain's different, right?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: You might have stem cells might work from you with this and that, and you know, go find it out.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: But it's free because you got hurt say, you know, protecting our country and protecting our folks.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll tell you, it starts with them asking for help.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell that, you know, when I do a lot of speaking engagements, I talk to veterans and I say, you've got to ask for help.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: But on the other side, too, those that have had help or that don't really need help, but go find those guys that need the help and offer the help.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: Guide them in the right direction.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what we're here for.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Veterans are a different breed than civilians.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: We have traumatized our bodies for so long or or for so little.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't take it, it doesn't take that long, but we're just a different breed, but we've got a new family, and we've got to look out for one another.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so, but also those guys need to ask for help.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you that stem cells, everything that you just said, HBOT, HBOT is amazing prior to stem cells, oxygen-enriched blood in the body.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Stem cells love that.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hbot's great.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: SGB, they're now starting to do you know, stem cells along with SGB for that stellar ganglion block, for that stellant nerve, stellate ganglion nerve to help heal that.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: To psychedelics that complement it.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: I have done, you know, the God one.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: Did I need to do it?
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: I did the the the five uh you went right to the Everest Mountain, man.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: I did it three times.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Three times and one thing.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I did it one time, I was like, it was like a what the F moment.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then I sat up and I said, let's do it again.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: And then the third time, and the second one was deep.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: The third time took me to a place.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: All I say now is that if that's what love is, I've been doing it wrong this whole time.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I'll say that a lot of this stuff complements a lot of these treatments that we're doing.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: Talk therapy is I think needed with all of these.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you do extract.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, you you gotta do it all.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then also, and maintenance is not a bad thing.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: Don't think it's one and done.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: You do eyebogain, it's you're not one and done.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for the most part, a lot of these guys are, but you're not.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're not.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's just the start of the journey, bro.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's and that's a great point, dude.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh a lot of guys don't understand that.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I've done them all.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: And until I started doing integration, once I realized where the hell I was, well, I was just suffering through a lot of it, you know, just the whole, you know, realization, dealing with trauma, all that.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then I started figuring out, man, I need to talk to somebody about some of this shit.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then I started meditating, journaling, uh, you know, getting, you know, really one-on-one.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh but, you know, but then the other part is the physiological part of these psychedelics.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: They re- I mean, they impact the brain like you know, M-E-R-T or anything out there.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: They rewire that sucker.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you get tired when you get done with them, man.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you get the the spiritual side is kind of like a perk, right?
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: You go in there to get your brain fixed, and everything to get out like, man, I feel like I'm like loving, you know, and kind and gentler and all.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you really do.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's it's an amazing and I will tell you that I went deep.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was in that for almost an hour because I the guy was he was like, okay, no more after this.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot you did three sessions in one day.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one hour.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, that's a first.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that yeah, that's it.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's deep, dude.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's deep.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was like I'm telling you, it it I I you know I was more curious.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was there to support other people, so I was more curious.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they all did at one time.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think they were the 15 minutes, 20 minutes, maybe max.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's all less.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh I was like, okay, I could do this.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do this.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: That looks like nothing.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: It really wasn't nothing.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean it was, it was huge.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see God.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people say you're gonna meet God, you're gonna sit at the feet of God and all that.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I'll meet God when I'm dead, I'm pretty sure.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I went in there thinking, I really wanted to learn from this.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: If there was any healing that needed to happen, I would I prayed that it would help heal whatever needed to be healed.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to take my wife with me.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: And that last third one that I did that took me to a place that I can't even describe, I was holding her hand.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember being in there, I could see her hand, and she was with me in there, and it was the most beautiful place I'd ever been in my entire life.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I knew that she was behind me, and we were, I was, I would, I just was running or something.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: But when I looked at her, I came back, I could tell where I was at, and she was the most beautiful, everybody around me was the most beautiful people I'd ever seen in my life.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: Eyes were glowing, this grape was put in front of my face, and it was the most beautiful grape I'd ever seen in my life.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I did this in Sedona, where apparently the frequency is really high and all that good stuff.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's some stuff going on in Sedona, yeah.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: So they say it was a healing journey, but did I need it?
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: Will I do it again?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: I um I but I applaud everybody that that is brave enough to do it.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a bad thing, it's a healing thing.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and so many of these guys need it.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: And in vets, the solutions, thank God to them for doing what they're doing as far as they're amazing.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, that I think it's great.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Again, not for everybody, and they know that, and that's why they make you do the homework, the due diligence prior to going, you know, so it's not just gonna be a vacation and a one and done type of thing.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: You need to do the work, like you said, you know, in before you do your Ibogaine journey.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: So, but kind of like stem cells as well.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're looking for at Project Recon, we're looking for, you know, the monitor severe.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: What is your lifestyle like?
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can't be an alcoholic, you're definitely not gonna drink after because alcohol will kill the stem cells.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh really, yeah.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: Good point.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: Minimum three months.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even want you working out hard for at least a month after the fact as well.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Give the stem cells time to start healing the body and the brain.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's what you need to focus on after after getting stem cells, is just kind of not being a lump on a bump on a log, but still work out, but nothing crazy and no alcohol.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, yeah, it's kind of funny how you go through the spiritual stuff, you don't even want to drink anymore, man.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, dude, Travis, thank you so much.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, coming on the show.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: But before we end, it's time for the Travis Wilson show.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us about what you got going on.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_00: What's doing what how do people find you?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Websites, books, whatever you got going on, what's next for you and your organizations and all everything that you're doing before we close out here.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right on.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: So if you if you want to support Alpha Lee Performance, you can go to AlphaletePerformance.com.
• 53:24
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• 53:26
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• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it'll be a show special there.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but then Project Recon, ProjectRecon.org.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to make a donation there, just go to Project Recon.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: And Recon is spelled free C O N, Project Recon.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's a reason to that.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you know, right now we have a fundraiser for a guy, like I said, I don't want to say his name, but he's a police officer in Oakland who was, and he's a former Green Beret dealing with um some severe issues uh stemming from his uh TBI, and and this is a larger, much larger case than we're used to.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we're raising money for that, and you can donate that money at ProjectRecon.org as well.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: So but other than that, what uh what I got going on?
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of uh I like to talk, so any speaking engagements that anybody ever wants to bring me on, I'm there for as long as it's about uh transition or helping guys heal, guys and gals heal.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm all about that.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's I'm out in Pittsburgh this next week at Seneca Valley for Ryan Glower, who passed away, 10th group guy.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing a 5k run for him, so I'm gonna go out and support uh Ed Glower, his father.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: Nice, man.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I gotta get back in the fold, but um, I'm too busy right now.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll get it.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you for doing it, man.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so Travis, can't thank you enough for coming on the show.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing journey with you, man.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because congratulations on your success.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Best wishes on your future, and we will absolutely uh push out Project Recon.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's talk after this about our Army Navy game tailgate and and see if uh you how it can benefit you.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: So, folks, another great edition of Broken Brains.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: Really thank you for your time.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Remember, free book on the website, Youth Contact Sports of Broken Brains, written by yours truly.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's free.
• 55:02
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• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: So go get it, become informed, learn.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: The rewritten version will be out in two months.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: I got another company I got to focus on it right now, but I'll get it out there.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: The the uh Head Smart app is on the Google Store, Apple Store, the only concussive app out there that has information on repetitive ed intro repetitive ed impacts, so you can watch your kid.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: And don't forget our Army Navy game, December 13th, Army versus Navy.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: We got the biggest tailgate going on there.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: We got a fuel concert.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at an ACDC Act, all you can drink, partner with Horse Soldier Bourbon and Rip It Energy Drinks.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you guys remember the box stuff over there, and they're still around.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: They sent us two pallets of drinks, and uh we got 100% of the monies goes to veterans' mental health programs and suicide prevention programs, much like what Travis got going on right here.
• 55:48
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• 55:50
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• 55:52
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• 55:53
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• 55:59
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• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Please let everybody know what we're talking about on Broken Brains.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: And if you got children, remember they only got one melon.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: Take care of those kids, will you?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: God bless you all.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk to you later and see you on the next time with uh Broken Brains with Bruce Parker.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to you later.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, man.