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  Speaker 1: guest this week is television host, political commentator, and stand-up comedian,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Maher. Welcome, Bill.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's the huge, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, then you just put it on.
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  Speaker 2: Could I get that?
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  Speaker 1: You want the boom mic?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding. I'm just fucking with you.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's an important question. Honestly, that's why you're here.
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  Speaker 1: No one's ever asked us that question before.
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  Speaker 2: But after an hour, doesn't your arm get tired of
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  Speaker 2: holding the mic? I shouldn't say that I've been a
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  Speaker 2: standup committee in my whole life. All I do is
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  Speaker 2: stand on stage.
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  Speaker 1: Hold the mic. You can switch hands, but it's different
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  Speaker 1: when you don't hold the microphone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Um, so I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: You got this.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Ask me your hard hitting questions. I'll stop interrupting.
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  Speaker 2: I started.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to you. Okay. That's done.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we like to start each episode with a land acknowledgement.
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  Speaker 1: We are on the land once occupied by Jeffrey Katzenberg
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  Speaker 1: and Quibi.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny. I did a, I just did a special
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  Speaker 2: on HBO and, uh, I did a whole thing about
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  Speaker 2: land acknowledgement and I mean, it is just the epitome of,
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  Speaker 2: and I see that, uh, at the recent DNC meeting,
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  Speaker 2: they still did it. Like talk about not getting, not
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  Speaker 2: getting it after the election laws. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you might not like a land acknowledgement. No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they still actually did it for real. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, teach your own.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, keep going down that road and, you
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  Speaker 2: know see where it leads you but you know it's
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  Speaker 2: just people are not politically savvy I don't feel in
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  Speaker 2: America but they have they know when you're full of
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  Speaker 2: shit and it's like you know land acknowledgement either give
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  Speaker 2: it back or shut the fuck up I think is
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  Speaker 2: what most people are thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I thought I might set you off seems like
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  Speaker 1: it worked alright so now I want to start with
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  Speaker 1: this because I just realized that politically incorrect is about
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  Speaker 1: to be 30 years.
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  Speaker 2: Old more Because it started in 93, and I think
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  Speaker 2: we're in 25.
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  Speaker 1: It started in 93?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I remember watching it. It was on Comedy Central,
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  Speaker 1: then it moved to ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: But I could only watch it because Comedy Central re-aired
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  Speaker 1: it in the afternoons.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: It has to be true. But I would come home
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  Speaker 1: from school. Wow. And I would watch it every day
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  Speaker 1: when I got home from school.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I did it for the kids.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like that. It felt like that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, some nights it did. Some nights it was
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  Speaker 2: just so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I actually was thinking about it. It was very
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  Speaker 1: formative for me. And I went back and I watched
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  Speaker 1: the first episode of Politically Incorrect.
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  Speaker 2: The very first one.
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  Speaker 1: The very first episode.
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  Speaker 2: Who was on?
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And you asked Jerry Seinfeld a question about... whether or
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  Speaker 1: not pedophiles should have to have signs on their lawns.
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  Speaker 1: And he gives you this look like, I'm here as
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  Speaker 1: a fucking favor. I do jokes about cornflakes. What are
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  Speaker 1: you doing to me?
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  Speaker 2: That's hysterical. I don't remember. I remember Jerry, of course,
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  Speaker 2: such a great friend forever. Great guy, never changed. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And he was at, you know, his show was doing great.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a great favor. And I don't remember
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  Speaker 2: the question about the But we didn't ask questions. We
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  Speaker 2: presented topics on that old show. Every question, I wrote
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  Speaker 2: them that first season. I wrote them all myself, word
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  Speaker 2: for word. Did we even have writers? I think we
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  Speaker 2: had a couple, but we had like, this is before
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  Speaker 2: the people look shit up on the internet. Like we
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  Speaker 2: had researchers who had to like go to the stacks
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  Speaker 2: or something. I don't know. It seems like it was
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  Speaker 2: from the middle ages. But I would present a provocative,
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  Speaker 2: not saying things that I didn't believe or think should
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  Speaker 2: be discussed. I wasn't just doing it for the sake.
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  Speaker 2: And it would always end with, does anybody have a
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  Speaker 2: problem with that? And when we put out a book
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  Speaker 2: from the show, it was called, you know, The Best
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  Speaker 2: of Politically Incorrect. Does anybody have a problem with that?
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  Speaker 2: So pedophiles stand on the, what was it?
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  Speaker 1: They should put a sign in their lawn, something to
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  Speaker 1: that effect.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, don't they kind of do that anyway now?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, don't you have to register?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what this was about. It was about
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  Speaker 1: registering and people being, it was about public shaming and
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  Speaker 1: who should be shamed and who shouldn't be shamed. It
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  Speaker 1: was very 90s.
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  Speaker 2: John, isn't it so fucking quaint that we lived in
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  Speaker 2: an era where that was the kind of problem as
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  Speaker 2: opposed to the things, the shit show that's going on
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  Speaker 2: now and the things that are so much more existential,
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  Speaker 2: shall we say? Not that it isn't an issue, but
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  Speaker 2: come on.
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  Speaker 1: No, there was something about it. And that's why I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get to it. And we'll get to it
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  Speaker 1: because Seinfeld is like, what the fuck am I doing here?
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  Speaker 1: And then Ed Rollins, who was Perot's campaign- Ed Rollins.
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  Speaker 2: He was on? Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it really put me back into a different time.
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  Speaker 1: But there is one moment where Seinfeld lights up because
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  Speaker 1: it was about polling and focus grouping and how, whether
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  Speaker 1: it was valuable or not valuable. And suddenly there really
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  Speaker 1: was an interesting moment.
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  Speaker 2: There was many interesting moments. What sort of backhanded uncompliment
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  Speaker 2: is that? Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Take a compliment. I'm saying I'm watching the episode and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden the pilot, you suddenly see the
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  Speaker 1: magic that you were trying to get in this show.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was the only moment. I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: there was a moment amongst several Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Not really, but okay. Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. Where all of a sudden you have
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  Speaker 1: Ed Rollins and you have Jerry Seinfeld talking about what
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  Speaker 1: they both know about, which is polling and focus grouping
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  Speaker 1: and where it works and where it doesn't work. What
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering is what you were trying to get
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  Speaker 1: out of having comedians and celebrities sitting across from politicians
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  Speaker 1: and experts.
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  Speaker 2: I always described it as a designed train wreck. That's
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  Speaker 2: why it was funny. And as you say, sometimes there
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  Speaker 2: was great enlightenment from that. The idea was everyone in
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  Speaker 2: America votes. We all get to vote, whether we're Harvard educated,
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  Speaker 2: although few people are that stupid, or, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: lowliest mechanic who's only finished eighth grade or something. We
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  Speaker 2: all get to vote. We don't all know the same
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  Speaker 2: thing or come from the same background, but this is
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  Speaker 2: a democracy. And let's pair democracy the least likely people
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  Speaker 2: to ever be in the same room together at the
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  Speaker 2: same cocktail party and have them talk. And yeah, what
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  Speaker 2: was great about that show was that when it was good,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, there were moments that were really good,
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  Speaker 2: but even when it was bad, it was like the
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  Speaker 2: bad was kind of good. It's uncomfortable. It's interesting. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. I really did watch it every day
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  Speaker 1: when I got home from school.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I mean, some nights it was so awful.
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  Speaker 2: It was like you had to, you reveled in the awfulness.
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  Speaker 1: The, but there was, you know, you talk about how
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  Speaker 1: things have changed and I, and I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how the media has changed and also how the
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  Speaker 1: parties have changed. But in terms of the media, there
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  Speaker 1: was an episode where it's really interesting. You brought on
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Silverman and you brought on this, what?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just the, I mean, I love Sarah and
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  Speaker 2: she's still a friend, but I mean, just, it's just
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  Speaker 2: funny to hear these names from the past. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember her on, on that show. I remember
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  Speaker 2: her on a real time, but, She was on.
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  Speaker 1: She was on. Well, what was really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: She must have been really young.
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  Speaker 1: She was. And it was, and you brought her on
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  Speaker 1: and an activist. He was an Asian American activist who
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  Speaker 1: was angry about a joke she told that used the
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  Speaker 1: word chink.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was real time. I don't think that was.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was politically incorrect.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I'm sure of it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was really important to you. They'd both been
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  Speaker 1: criticizing each other in public and gone back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: Well, can I give you a little of the history?
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  Speaker 2: Sarah made a joke, you know, Look, it was a
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  Speaker 2: different era. I think she has since mea culpa about that. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: she's gone back on a lot of stuff. You know, she,
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  Speaker 2: she says she's, she went more toward like, Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said that as opposed to some comics
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  Speaker 2: who were like, We've gotten too sensitive. That would be me.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, clearly. Yeah, no, I get that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have. And I'm right about that.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, okay, that's easy.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, everybody has their truth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she probably, she had thought about it. Just take
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  Speaker 1: it in the most generous sense. I'm just saying, even if.
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  Speaker 2: We wouldn't do it today, do we have to go
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  Speaker 2: back and dig up the past and yell at ourselves when,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing, like whatever it was back then, like
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  Speaker 2: most people were okay with it. It wasn't mean spirited.
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  Speaker 2: She got in trouble also once for a sketch she did,
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  Speaker 2: which was an anti-racist sketch. Okay. But we sort of
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  Speaker 2: glossed over nuance at a certain point. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was necessary to be like, I'm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm history's greatest monster. Cause I did this like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was doing the right thing. And at
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  Speaker 2: the time, Usually nobody else said anything. So it was
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  Speaker 2: obvious that's where the country was. Anyway, she did a
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  Speaker 2: joke with some sort of Asian reference. I don't remember
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  Speaker 2: what it was. And the person from the Asian... The.
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  Speaker 1: Media organization that was critical of the way Asian people
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  Speaker 1: were portrayed.
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  Speaker 2: Right, correct. He objected, and so I guess I had
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  Speaker 2: them on to hash it out?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and look, I think people evolved. They went back
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  Speaker 1: and stopped airing certain episodes of The Golden Girls and
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  Speaker 1: cut things out of certain shows, and I think that's ridiculous, right?
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  Speaker 1: Let's just, this was the past and it was different.
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  Speaker 1: Even though shows look modern and maybe, and we should
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  Speaker 1: be able to see those things. That's obvious. But, but,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted to see.
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  Speaker 2: The Golden Girls?
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  Speaker 1: There, there was a pretty racist episode of the Golden Girls,
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  Speaker 1: but let's just, there was, but I think let people
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  Speaker 1: see it. Who cares? I'm not, I'm not talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about this specific episode for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And like when they're like putting warnings on Gone with
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  Speaker 1: the Wind, it's like Gone with the Wind sucks, but
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  Speaker 1: not because it's racist. It is racist, but that's not
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  Speaker 1: why it sucks.
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  Speaker 2: It's awesome. It doesn't suck. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll get back to it. We'll get back to
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  Speaker 1: Gone with the Wind. We'll talk about movies at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Let's challenge our assumptions. But the reason I bring up
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  Speaker 1: the Sarah Silverman moment, who I love and think is
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  Speaker 1: an incredible comedian, and she's sharp in that debate as well,
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  Speaker 1: is it was really important in that moment where you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? Let's have the debate right here and
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  Speaker 1: have it in front of everybody and let people hash
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  Speaker 1: it out. And you talk about how things are different.
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  Speaker 1: And what's striking is you think about that moment and-
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't public forums for people to have debates. There
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  Speaker 1: was television, there was radio and television, some newspaper op-eds.
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  Speaker 2: People could write a letter to the editor.
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  Speaker 1: But for the most part, political conversations on television weren't
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  Speaker 1: about or next to the political culture.
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  Speaker 2: They were the political culture.
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  Speaker 1: And if you got people together and had the debate,
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  Speaker 1: the 1,000 people that got to have an opinion on
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  Speaker 1: television would see it and it would impact them, right?
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  Speaker 1: And you could really feel the impact of debate. And
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  Speaker 1: we don't live in that world anymore. It's a very
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  Speaker 1: different world.
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  Speaker 2: We do on my show. I love doing that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and you're right. Most shows don't do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you don't see much debate on cable news. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: CNN has a panel. But, you know, that guy who I,
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  Speaker 2: what did I call him? Lonely Scott? Lonely Scott. What
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  Speaker 2: is his name? Yeah. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Lonely Scott Jennings?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Jennings?
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  Speaker 2: It's like six people. And then after, like, they all
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  Speaker 2: do whatever they're going to say. And usually I agree
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  Speaker 2: with those people. Then Lonely Scott gets to talk. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I do like having an actual debate. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this idea that they have some people that you shouldn't platform.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I've lost... fans, certainly, and even
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  Speaker 2: like people who were friends, kind of, because they were
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  Speaker 2: so mad at me that I had on real time
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  Speaker 2: people like Ted Cruz and Bill Barr. Okay, he was
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  Speaker 2: the attorney general. You know, I'm not going to talk
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  Speaker 2: to this man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about that here. And I think in
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  Speaker 1: the early years of this company, we were much more reluctant,
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  Speaker 1: in part because we were trying to, I think, be
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  Speaker 1: just a platform for progressive voices. But as we've grown,
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  Speaker 1: we've realized that we want to have more conservative voices
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  Speaker 1: on to challenge them because we want to be at
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  Speaker 1: the center of that kind of a debate.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe be challenged?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe, and of course be challenged. And of course
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  Speaker 1: be challenged.
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  Speaker 2: But the reason- And I'm not one of them. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they think, the far left thinks I am. I put
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  Speaker 2: out a book and a standup special in the last
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  Speaker 2: six months, both to make the point. And in great detail,
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  Speaker 2: you've changed, not me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to come back to that in a second.
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  Speaker 1: I want to stay on debate only because what I
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  Speaker 1: felt when I was watching those old episodes is a
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  Speaker 1: kind of nostalgia for a culture where debate mattered. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you still do the kinds of debates you did back then,
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  Speaker 1: though you do it with more kind of serious people.
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  Speaker 1: There's fewer Christina O'Donnells popping up.
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  Speaker 2: It's not Carrot Top with Bob Dole.
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  Speaker 1: On that episode where Sarah Silverman and this activist are talking,
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  Speaker 1: At what point, I forgot he was even there. David
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  Speaker 1: Spade was sitting there in fucking silence. And you turn
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  Speaker 1: to David Spade and you're like, so David Spade, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think? And he's like, fuck you, Bill. How
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  Speaker 1: about that? I don't want to be here. What am
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  Speaker 1: I doing here? I'm in Tommy Boy. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: asking me this really hard question?
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  Speaker 2: That's always what was so, I mean, you said Seinfeld
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  Speaker 2: basically had the same reaction. Like, what am I doing here? Yeah. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you drag people out of their comfort zone,
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: It does produce a kind of real television that, unfortunately, yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: you don't get a lot. And, of course, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: it's not everybody's cup of tea.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it used to exist more in, like, the old,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: before they went live to tape, when, like, Carson was
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: truly live. And there were just, things would go wrong, right?
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: No, Carson was not live.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: When there would be, like, moments early on, in the
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: early years... And you have just like drunks on the stage.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I got to get out of here.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Drunks?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: There was an episode where like, I want to say
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: like Peter, what's his name?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Peter Lawford.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Peter Lawford. And two other people in a movie that
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: we've all forgotten are on their promotional tour. And they're
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: just drunk. They're just drunk on that stage.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I just don't think they thought it was that awful.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it's happened since then. I don't
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: know if you remember the Cheers finale. I'm not sure
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: what year that would be.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: But I remember that when they were all just blitzed.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Blitzed to the gills.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good stuff.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: This is Leno hosting. And they were, you know, just
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: falling all over each other on the couch, drooling and laughing.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And I mean, poor Jay was like he was not
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: in on the private jokes between this cast who were
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: in an emotional state after doing this groundbreaking show for
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: 10 years or whatever it was. And now they had
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: their finale, and then they had their party, and now
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: they're on with Jay. And they were drunk.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I think they talked later about how the mistake was
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a meal. There needed to be food.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they were young and drunk, and it's funny.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Drunk is funny.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Drunk is funny.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course, it can be sad, but we don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: have to always just dwell on the sad. Dean Martin
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: was funny. Yeah. And he wasn't even really drunk.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: A lot of the times he was really drunk.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: There was a, no, I don't think he was. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: think he, I think that was a big myth. You think? Yes. He, yes,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I think that was an act. Dean was like, he
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: played golf and then he was in bed at nine.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: He was that guy. Maybe when he was younger. I
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: don't know. Frank was a big drinker. Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: There was a, I sometimes think that like the reason
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: there's such a focus on cancel culture is because it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: used to be more fun to be a celebrity. Like
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you could drive your car through a plate glass window
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: and tip somebody 500 bucks and nobody heard about it?
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank and Ava shot up Palm Springs once and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: it was just like.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Just under the rug.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, people do things today. I mean, Kanye,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: come on.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Well, he's not exactly... We know about it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I know, but he wasn't canceled for it. He said
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Hitler was... I love Hitler. And nobody pulled his Super
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Bowl ad like three days later.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So it seems like you think cancel culture is needed.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying some people get away with shit that
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: other people don't. It's very uneven.
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• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Where's your head on social media right now?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Well, like, is it, are you using it? I, you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I feel conflicted about it. I think it's a corrupt
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: force destroying the human soul, but I also get good
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: recipes from it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Good recipes? Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: TikTok, you get good recipes. It was a viral Turkish
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: pasta I made. Have you heard about the viral Turkish pasta?
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now I'm from a different generation and I got,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I got a shit ton of money. I got cooks
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and chefs and I don't need social media. I got assistants.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I'm that. Yeah.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: It sounds good.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's awesome. Uh, it is. And, uh, it just seems
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: like a bunch of hatred and vitriol. And yes, of course,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: can you learn things? I don't have enough time in
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the day to read and absorb the things I do
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: want to read and absorb, you know? Um, I want
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to read the New York times, even though I, it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: not the paper I grew up with and it's crazy slanted,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: but I also want to read Andrew Sullivan and I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: want to read the free press. And I'm a, I don't,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I'd rather be in that world of smart people. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: want to listen to your podcast and Sam Harris's podcast,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: you know, smart, engaging conversation, mostly from people who are
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: not ideologically captured. That's what I want to immerse myself in.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want to immerse myself in that world. And
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just very bad at technology. It's not native to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: me because of when I grew up, I'm 70, basically.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: You're 70?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Not really, but I'm saying that because it's next year
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and I can't, 69 is a funny bit in my
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: special about that. When you're 69, it's just everybody just
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: puts their elbow on your ribs like it's funny. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it's just a terrible number.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, because of the sexual position?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: That's my bit.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Is it because you flip around and it's head to genitals?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Everyone talks about it as if anyone has ever done
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: it or enjoyed it or can do it. It's a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: multitasking thing that you can't do. We've all tried. I've tried.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work. You can't go down on a girl
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: while she's sucking your dick. I just can't think about it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They're just too hard. Anyway, that's the point about that.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I was going to get to 69ing later, but we've
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: just covered it so we can move on.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yes. The point is, like, I'm not native to a
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: lot of this stuff. And the more I, I mean,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: how many books does Jonathan Haidt have to put out
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: about it? How many times do I have to have
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: guests who talk about how awful and vitriolic it is
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and what it's doing to young kids? Why would I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: jump into this point?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: No, that seems right. I mean, if there's one turd
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in the pool, bad enough. This just seems like a
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: pool of turds.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I think you don't need
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to go there, especially with the chef, because then you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: don't need the recipes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I definitely don't need the recipes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: You should tell your chef about the viral Turkish pasta.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't eat pasta.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You don't eat pasta. Is that a keto thing?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: What are we eating? Well, we're not eating carbs, not bread,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: not pasta, not rice.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, occasionally, you know, I'm not a crazy person,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: but no, just I wouldn't want to keep that around
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the house or have them, if someone's going to cook
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: for me, they're going to cook good, you know. Right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I've said to her, look, I'll never get mad at
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you if I don't like, if it's not an appealing dish.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'll only get mad at you if it's not healthy.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And do you worry about losing touch?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. Really? Like what? Should I be
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: going to Ralph's? And that would elucidate me somehow. Maybe.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Well, here's what I actually think.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I do go to the supermarket once in a while.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I do like to purposely see what's out there and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: see if there's food out there, especially that I'm not
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: aware of. Because, you know, I don't know. Yes, you
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: do have to do that. But I am not out
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: of touch, no.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of new kinds of Oreos. They're
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: doing new flavors all the time.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oreos I wouldn't eat. I already made that decision
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: about Oreos decades ago.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: No Oreos. That's too bad. Well, you know what? When
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you're 70, first of all, you're on a much shorter
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: leash health wise. You got to be very, you can
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: stay exactly and live exactly as you always did. It's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: funny when I was your age, I would have never
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: thought I'd be like this at 70. I thought life
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: would be completely different because that's how Americans presented. Like
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you're completely decrepit and you're like one foot in the grave.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And my father was, you know, he would go out
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to the basketball court, the court, the driveway, and shoot
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: one basket and be like, oh, and he was 53
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: or something. It just doesn't have to be that way.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I found out when I got there, you know. Of course,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I never got married. So that's a big difference. You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: you become like something different as opposed to just always
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: staying the same. You got to get out there. Why?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Well, just you got to be out there. You got
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to be single.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: You got to be. Yes. Eye of the tiger. Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You got to stay fit. You got to stay hot.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: You got to stay hot. You don't want to be ugly.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: You do the best you can. That's all you can do.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. When you fall in love with somebody,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you stop caring what they look like. You got to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: get through that first step.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Did that happen to you? Not yet. Not yet.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Thanks for asking. Obviously not. Look how good I look.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Not something I have to really worry about yet.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you look great.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for saying that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: How old are you?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I am 42.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You look great for 42.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I look great for 42. Well, I'm a gay 42.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: You have a youthful look about you.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that what I do works if
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I get older.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good attitude to go into.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: No, I really don't. I agree, no. No, and by
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the way, AI is going to fix all this.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I hope so.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Totally. I mean, there is a chance that even me
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: at 70, wink, wink, not quite, will not die. Like saying,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: because you could live to 100. In 30 years, I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: can't imagine AI, which is working exponentially. What was that
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: thing that Google just came up with that I just
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: read this, that it figured out something that supercomputers before
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: this would have taken something like 10 septillion million years
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: or whatever was older than the time of the universe.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: to figure out what now it did in five minutes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Right, they had that new quantum computer that I find intimidating.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, the quantum computer. Yeah, maybe that'll fix it. Well,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: there's that guy that's trying to seem young. You know
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that guy?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I had him on my podcast.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: He seems out of his fucking gourd. He's not. I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: would rather die at 70 living the way I live
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: than live to 250 the way he lives.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: You won't say that when you're 69, first of all. Nice.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: And also... And also... He's not crazy, although he is
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: a little crazy. And I said the same thing. I said, Brian,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and he's a sweet guy. I like them a lot.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I said, Brian, like, okay, so he's 46, but he's like, chronologically,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: he's 37. I said, so you go to bed at 8.30.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: You never eat anything except like these fucking pebbles or
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you're eating.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: He's eating kind of human chow.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Right. Like a kibble. I eat pretty strictly, but I
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: still enjoy eating. And you can do that. And goes
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to bed at 8.30 and all this. I said, all
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: this to shave nine years off. I said, you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: people think I look a little younger than my age. So, like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I apparently shaved six or seven years off by smoking
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: pot and not getting married and drinking too much when
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I was younger. So, like, what's the point?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Well, also, you know, all the studies also show that, like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what's the key to longevity? It's happy, close relationships. It's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch of like social.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Things.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And I gotta say, who wants to hang out with
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the guy that's like, I gotta go to bed, it's 8.30,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: gotta get up in the morning and eat my kibble.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not like a friend, it's not like
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a great friend situation. You know what I'm saying?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Let me say this in his defense. First of all,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he's my new best friend because this guy
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: is working more than anybody else to find out where
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: the cutting edge is on keeping us healthy. He gave
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: me some of the stuff that he uses and sells
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and some of this, much of it, I've been doing
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: my own self for quite a while. I don't think
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: most people take glutathione, but I get it and I
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: had it and he uses it. So I'm, but he's
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: going to tell me, he's going to hit me to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: everything I need to know that I can do, not
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: in the levels that he does it, but, and also here,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: listen to this. I said, you know, we're leaving and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I have my podcast in my where I party and
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: it's a different house. I wouldn't party in my own
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: house knowing me. What a life.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And he's in touch.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And I am in touch. And I said, you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: it's too bad, Brian. I have parties here sometimes. The
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: cameras are off and we just enjoy it. I had
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: this for 20 years and I partied here before we
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: made it into a podcast studio. It's too bad you
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: go to bed at 8.30. It doesn't usually get going
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: until 10 or 11. And he said, here's what I'll do.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I'll go to bed. I'll get my REM sleep. So
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you need REM sleep and deep sleep. And then I'll
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: wake up from my REM sleep. I'll come here for
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: an hour and a half and party with you. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I'll go back and I'll get my deep sleep. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I thought, that's a guy who's willing to kind of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: bend a little. Sure. Yeah, yeah. To get up from
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: your REM sleep, party with me. and go back to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: your deep sleep.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And he's having a tea or something, I assume.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, he's definitely not going to be drinking and smoking.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a great hang.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I said the same thing.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: You know you're all going to die.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: But in his defense, he talks about his amazing erections.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: A lot. Yes.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: First of all, good to hear that that's happening in
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: person as well, because he also talks about his son's erections.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. I know. I know. This got weird. I'm sorry.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I gotta go.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So, now, you talked about you not really changing. And
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that actually was.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Well, politically. Politically. No, politically.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I took away going back and watching
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: some of the original shows, which is that, like, you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: say that your politics hasn't changed, that the right went
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: where it went, and the left went super woke, and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that you're the same. And it's like, how often are
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you using it's not you, it's me when you're breaking
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: up with somebody?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a good question. That's funny. Uh, um, are
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you serious about that.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Or take a political answer or a human answer?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Well, this, I'm not going to get very specific about
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: this cause this is like personal life stuff. And I,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I like to keep that, uh, opaque, but, uh, you know, look,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: having there, if somebody is my age and we remember
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: what that is, cause it keeps coming up. Yeah. Uh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And they've never been married.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And you've never been married.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Right. It's either for one or two main reasons. Either
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: they don't like girls or they like them a lot. Okay.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep it vague like that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about politics. Happy to leave that vague.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: We got a lot of 69 talk earlier.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with that. Why can't everybody, you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: it's so funny, if I came out as gay tomorrow,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the whole town here in Hollywood would be like, oh
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: my God, that's the greatest thing in the world. Because
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: we all should just be who we are. I was
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: born that way. Remember when that was a, yeah, this
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: is how I was born. That's how I was drawn.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: This is what I want. I never wanted to get married.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I never thought it worked. And what I mostly see
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: is that it, When it does, even when it works,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: it works at what I consider a tremendous price. I mean,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: you said longevity, what did you say before?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: That having healthy relationships contributes to longevity.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: So does sex. Right. Which is sometimes in confrontation with
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a healthy relationship, with a long-term relationship where the love
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: is deep. It's very hard to keep that going with
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the sex part going. Not with that attitude. I mean,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I wish that it was just attitude that could solve it,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: but every marriage in the world will tell you that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: it's not just attitude.
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  Speaker 2: You brought it up.
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  Speaker 1: I did bring it up. And I know that. And
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  Speaker 1: it up.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: People like this. They like people. They're like politics schmolitics. Yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: We're keeping it loose. We're keeping it loose. It's Bill.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: We don't have to like fucking always be. And we
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: can go right to the politics. Because that's what I
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: love about podcasting. Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: We can do whatever we want. Look at all the
• 34:44
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• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Do we have to get through all those.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Before I can go? No, I'll skip. I'll skip. Hey,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: don't worry.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: We'll skip through some. Because that's a lot of cards.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Let's see. There's one later that just says trans.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Your staff makes these for you? Yes, they do.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: They do a great job. They're right over there.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: It's a great team.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: It's a great team. So let's talk about how the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Republicans have changed. You said in your special, Trump got
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the White House again, but he's not going to get
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: your mind.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: How's that resolution holding up? Not that well. I also
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: said I wouldn't pre-hate anything, which is true. I didn't pre-hate,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: but boy, does the hate come around quickly. I mean,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: has it been only a month? Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It's been one month.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: One month.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: One month.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't think he could, some of the things,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and there are things that, other things, I made a list. Like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: here's what I already hate. Here's things I don't hate yet.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I can, I mean, there are things that like the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: idea that Gaza could be Dubai instead of, you know,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: this hellhole that it's been. Other people have suggested that
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: by way of us taking it over. No, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: starting a new American empire. No, this insanity of of
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Zelensky as the dictator. Outrageous. I mean, opposite day kind
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: of shit with, with the Western Alliance. I mean, there's
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: a whole, it's just, yeah. So that resolution is being
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: battered already.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: It's well, it is. I mean, look, there, there are
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: some people that claim that they're not surprised by how
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: bad it's been so far. I find that hard to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: believe because I, In all the, you know, if we
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: knew in October that the planes were going to start bumping,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: we would have maybe said something, right? Like, I don't,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: nobody was like, hey, and then we made invade Panama.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Like that wasn't anything that, and Kamala Harris wasn't out
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: there being like, and don't forget, we might invade Panama.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: No, that, and Canada, that shit all came up. Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I think after the election was won, I don't think
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: it was even strategic. I think you give Trump sometimes
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: too much credit for like playing four dimensional chess and
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: it's no. He just happened to think of it then.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I really, I don't think he planned. I'm going to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: spring this after the election. It's no, like the last
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: guy he talked to said some shit about Canada and
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: he was like, let's take it over.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: But, but a lot of this does seem to like, like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, the, the, the fucking, I think there's not
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: just a lack of knowledge where there's a disdain for
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: knowledge that leads, whether it's Elon wandering around government bureaucracies,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: he knows nothing about cutting at random and then discovering that, Oh,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that person was working on bird flu. We should probably
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: get them back. or Trump's routing off about the Middle East.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: There's a lack of appreciation for expertise and nuance, which
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: is very, very fascist, very authoritarian, which is to say,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you know what? Yeah, democracy is sometimes slow and complicated,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: but there's a reason. And there are good reasons. There's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a good reason that this is not how we've done
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: things in the past. There is value to stability. There's
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: value to the slow and sometimes frustrating work of compromise
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and change.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: That is my biggest complaint about Trump is that he
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: does not care about how the American system works or
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: even care to learn how it works. That in his view,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: it's just like they elected me. I'm the leader. I
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: talked to other leaders. I'm the leader. Everything else is
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: sort of just background noise, Congress or whatever. I mean,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: some of these things he's done, he has the Congress.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: He has a Republican Congress. He could do it through Congress. No,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: he just does it by executive order. But there's always like,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: you know, a seed of truth in the other side. Yes,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: government should be slow. But, you know, the frog in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the pot analogy that we use with global warming, which
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I still think is true, it's the slow. I'm not
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: sure that that isn't also the case with a government
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: that ever grows bigger. Nothing is ever canceled. The debt,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've been talking about it since Ross Perot.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: At some point, and it seems like, well, you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: we keep talking about it, but nothing ever happens. I
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: feel like at some point, just like with global warming,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: something catastrophic is going to happen. But this is where, yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: That it's the biggest thing now. And so, like, again,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: do I hate the idea of someone going through the government?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, Al Gore wanted to do it and they
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: didn't do it well. But of course, the way he
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: does it, first of all, just like you said, with
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel, you can picture where
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: they could have done it. He could have just shut
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: up for three months while he audited it and then
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: come out with findings. That's not the way these people work.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: That's the bad part of them. The instinct to do it,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the instinct to like have Gaza not be what it
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: always has been. And by the way, some of this
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: kind of works because now you see that five different countries, Jordan,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Egypt. They all said, OK,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you know what? Trump's going to jump in and turn
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: it into a golf course. OK, we're working on a plan. Yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: somebody has to have a plan for Gaza. And the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: idea that in the past, these Arab countries that surround
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Palestine or the Syrian civil war and wouldn't take any
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: refugees and just wouldn't seem to be wanting to get
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: involved at all to the people who they claim are
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: their brethren and who are the did a million Syrians
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: really fit better in Germany than they would have in
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: There's a, uh, there was a Congressman Tom Malinowski, I think.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: And he, he said this on the bulwark and it
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: stuck with me. And he said that, uh, Trump understands
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: our power, but not our values. And Joe Biden understands
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: our values, but not our power. And it really stuck
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: with me because, uh, There are moments where, yeah, you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Nixon playing crazy. Donald Trump says things that change the
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: contours of a debate. But he does it by proposing
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing and some of those ghastly policies that any
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: American president has ever talked about. You talk about, like, yeah,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: we need to reform the government. Yeah, Barack Obama wanted
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to reform the government to stupidly try to do.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: It through Congress.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Big mistake that was. But, you know, you talk about, oh,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: we need to do some of these things. We're worried
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: about the deficit. We know what the source of the
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: deficit is. We know.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: It's actually not- The debt. The debt.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: We know the source of the debt. We know the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: source of the deficit. The number of federal workers has
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: not increased as a share of the population. That's static.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So there's not some big behemoth of federal workers. It's
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: lower than it was in the 90s as a share.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think workers is the main problem. The
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: main problem is, as the budget office put out, there's
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: They said between $ 236 and $ 521 billion. Billion. Right.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And what is the source of that? There's four drivers
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Of fraud.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not fraud.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Well, just stuff that, monies that's stolen, basically.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: The source of our deficit and debt are the tax cuts.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: The Bush tax cuts, the Trump tax cuts, the cost
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: of Medicare, the cost of Medicaid, the cost of Social Security,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the cost of the military. That's what drives the cost.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Then there's cuts to be made and fraud to be found,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: But that's the cost. I didn't say this was the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: number one issue of our time, but do I think
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: that $ 236 billion at the low end each year just
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: going out the door to fraudsters and thieves is something
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: we should live with and just accept? I don't. Of
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: course not. So the instinct to do something about it,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and again- It's all nullified when they do it horribly,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: which he did.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: But the part of this too is, it's not, obviously
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they have, they don't really respect debate, right? Like Donald
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Trump doesn't, isn't interested or respectful of debate.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Nor does he need it anymore because he won. And
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, in the past, I mean, he did have
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to like show up to debate. He debated Harris. He
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: debated Joe Biden. He debated... Tried to.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Kill him with COVID.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Remember?
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Three days later, like, yeah, I had a positive test. Whoops.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, you tried to fucking kill Joe Biden.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Again, I think you're giving him too much credit. I
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: just think he didn't think about it. I think he
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: wanted to run against Joe Biden anyway. He shouldn't have.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: He lost. And he won't admit that, which is my
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: biggest problem with him.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: But you host a show that's about the value of debate.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And one of the two sides no longer, they'll use
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a debate when it's useful. They'll use politics, normal politics
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: when it's useful, but they'll cast it aside, right? They'll
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: go through Congress when they can, they'll ignore it when
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: they can't. They'll come on your show and make a
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: case when they can, but they'll say you're an evil
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Marxist and all should be ignored when it's not useful.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: That's really dangerous. And so, yeah.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. The speech that Vance made to the Germans,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: not the part about the semi-Nazi party, but the part
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: about free speech was very valid in my view. They
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: have gone to places in Germany and in England now
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: with free speech that I don't want to live in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that country. I mean, did you see the 60 Minutes
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: piece on Germany last week? I didn't. Really? Is 60
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Minutes like too old hat for you?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I catch it now and again. And I'm
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: not like, click, click, click. I'm not like waiting for
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the sound every Sunday like I used to when I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: was a kid. When I was a kid, I watched
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: it every Sunday.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I wasn't a cool kid. It was a lot of
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Bill Maher in 60 Minutes and wondering if I was
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: going to get invited to prom. The answer, I was not.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get on to your sex life. Okay, so,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: but they did a piece and I found it chilling. Now,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: of course... Vance's thing about free speech is he has
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: no grounding to stand on because Trump is suing 60 Minutes.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: 60 Minutes for the crime of editing an interview.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And he's suing an Iowa newspaper for putting out a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: poll he didn't like. You know how many presidents had
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: lawsuits before him? None. Presidents don't sue people. You don't
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: have to. He's doing it. So they don't have a
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: leg to stand on there. And as far as like
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: canceling elections... I mean, that was the first I heard
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: about Romania canceled the election. I'd have to do more
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: research on that. But yeah, I don't think it's a
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: great idea to cancel elections. But of course, that's what
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: they tried to do. And he still has admitted he
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: lost the one in 2020. Okay. But the idea that
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in Germany, they can knock on your door because you
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: insulted somebody. And they use the example of pimmel. Yes,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I said it. What did you say? Pimmel? Pimmel. Apparently,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: it's the German word for calling somebody a dick.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And you can get arrested for that, or they'll take
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: your phone. And the UK also has arrested, I think,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: people for just insulting, basically, or like Islamophobia. Well, you know,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: one person's Islamophobia is another person's just talking plainly and
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: honestly about Islam. Can I not do that? If I
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: have any critique of Islam, I saw you roll your eyes, really?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't roll my eyes.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I'm more thinking, well, just that we're not in Germany.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: We're here. I know.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: They have their problems, famously.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Right, but we don't care about other people's problems, and
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes those problems don't come here, and we shouldn't comment
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: on them.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: No, no, of course, but I guess I just, like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of problems in America.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: We've got the vice president going to Europe to complain
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: about sort of German... social dynamics and it's like okay
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I mean this is about a larger project of the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: right free speech.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Is kind of a big thing and it should be
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to you especially you make your living doing.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: It of course of course but as you said these
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: are people that are right now in our own country
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: attacking free speech every day so I take it a
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: bit disingenuously when J.D. Vance is in Germany I just
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: said that I know I agree with you that's why
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm rolling my eyes I'm rolling my eyes at the situation.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Bill okay but hey look I'm not trying to be
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: a pimmel.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about our website. question a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the woke mob. You say that, you know,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the Republicans went the way they went and the Democrats
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: went the way they went and you're still right where
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you were. Is it just, and I don't mean this
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: in a, I'm like genuinely asking, is it really just
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: the social questions. I mean, it's not about like the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: inflation reduction act and like monetary policy when you say it's.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Just about, I mean, it's like, if you name so many,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I can name so many issues where I will give
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: you what the live, the old school liberal, which is
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: what I mostly align with position was, although even I
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: can show you from back in the politically incorrect days,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: places where I was with somebody who would think more
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: conservatively on certain things. I was always hard to pin
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: down and that's the way I like it. Everything is,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be captured ideologically, but mostly that's
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: what I was. Let's take, we're talking about Israel. What
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: has been the old school liberal position forever on Israel?
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Two state solution. That is not the position of the woke.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Their position is from the river to the sea.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: It's not the position of the far left.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Excuse me. Right. From the river to the sea. That's
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: their position. That's what they're chanting on campus. That's the
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: woke position. And it goes a lot further than just
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the kids on campus. That is not the two-state solution.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: That is, I don't know, the Jews move to Greenland.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what it is, and I don't think
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: they think it through because they're living in this world,
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: as many people have pointed out, of oppressor and oppressed.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: They don't really think past that. The Jews in Israel...
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, they talk about them like they have no
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: standing in that country when actually they're the Indians. OK,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: but they've been always from 1947 on. Now, of course,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: you leave a deal on the table for 75 years.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: People do get a little tired of having the deal
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: not taken. But traditionally, Israel has tried to make that
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: happen for a very long time. It accepted the idea
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: of a partition and a two state solution. And the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: other side never did. And somehow the woke found themselves.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: They do this all the time. They're so progressive that
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: they do things that are completely anti-progressive. Yes, let's align
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: with the people who give women no rights because we're
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: the liberal people. Let's align with the River to the sea, no... So, again,
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: armed where it always was. Two-state solution. Other people have
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: gone to a different place.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: There's always been a center, a center-left, and a left.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: That's always been the case. There were things that the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Vietnam protesters said that was anathema to what was mainstream
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: for Democrats at the time. But put aside the specific
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: of the issue. Joe Biden was for a two-state solution.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris was for... a two-state solution. Most mainstream Democrats
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: are for a two-state solution. Donald Trump has embraced Benjamin
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Netanyahu and no two-state solution, no deal on the table.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I agree, but that's not what we were talking about.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to understand is.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Just always bring in Trump.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bring in Trump.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: We're going to agree that we don't like Trump. I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: didn't vote for him.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Asked and answered. Asked and answered. But my question is.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: But you're not addressing the question that you find more
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: difficult to answer, which is what I put to you.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It's like the woke position, and it's, again, not just
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: kids on campus. I could quote you things from like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: do you know who PAN is? The organization P-E-N?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: They had to withdraw an invitation, right? That's the... It's
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: a free.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Speech organization that doesn't understand free speech. Same with the
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: ACLU in some cases.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: But the reason I... So, Pod Save America, I've taken
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit from... For what I've said about Israel,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: my belief in a two-state solution, my horror at what
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Netanyahu has done, but my belief... that we ought
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: to be critical of Israel, not just because of what
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: it has done in Gaza, and not just what it
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: has done to the Palestinians, but because it is not
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: in the interest of Israel to create the conditions that
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: they're creating. I am not what you would call woke
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: on this topic.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: More woke than me.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: But not what elected Democrats are saying, which I think
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: represent the people that would ultimately be wielding power. So
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: what are the... Are there issues where you see the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: mainstream Democrats, elected figures, not people on college campuses, or
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: organizations that have moved left because they're captured by whatever
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: lefty part of their staff or whatever?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: I know where you're going, and I agree, mostly, which
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: is that the Democratic politician is generally not a crazy person.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: You're talking about crazies? I used to say, The difference
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: between the parties is that the Republicans have found a
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: place for their crazies. Unfortunately, that place is elected government.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of true. Like there's no equivalent quite
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: of Marjorie Taylor Greene on the left. Although there are
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: people like Ilhan Omar and AOC who I don't agree
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: with on a lot of stuff and I think are
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: crazy on a lot of stuff and say things that
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: are real eye rollers. Fair enough.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but I just don't.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not saying they're... I just said they're not
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: as bad, but they are eye-rolly. Absolutely. There are things
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: you disagree with. And I disagree with and also just...
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one thing to have interest in another country.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: It's another thing to sort of be the Palestinian representative
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: in the Congress as opposed to representing Michigan.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, maybe... she feels an obligation, a moral obligation,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that the best way that she can represent her values
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: is to be this one voice.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: But she's in the American government.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Right, there's 434 other.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Members of the House. So one should be from Palestine?
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying one should be from Palestine. I'm saying
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: that she can in an important debate. Well, it's what
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: it seems like and what it is. She's obviously representing
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: her constituents. She has a lot of Palestinian constituents, but
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: also feeling like that is a role that she can
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: play in an important debate, that she is not just
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: a member of Congress for one district, but she is
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: representing a point of view that she doesn't feel like
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: is often I don't think there's anything wrong with that,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: even when, by the way, I have been extremely critical
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: of what she has said. But back to elected Democrats.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I think the reason I'm bringing this up is sometimes
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have Democrats, there is an entire
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Republican apparatus that exists to lift up the dumbest, most
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: extreme campus professors, organizations, also mainstream politicians who say something
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: stupid that comes off terribly. and have that represent Democrats,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and that it actually has an impact, and then we
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: end up in a, yeah, do you think that's true?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I think it's true, but I also think it's their
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: obligation to squawk back at those people, and they don't
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: do it enough. To your point, which I think is correct,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: about the mainstream Democratic politician, take something like defund the police.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: The Republicans thought they could catch the Democrats on that
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and they put it up to a vote. I don't
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: remember what the exact vote was or what the bill was.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: They didn't get any. I think they got one. Like
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: the Democratic politician did not take the bait on defund
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the police. And yet the public, if you just ask
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the man on the street, probably thinks that a lot
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: of Democratic politicians did sign on to that. So that's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: a good example of something that was put out there
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: by like you say, organizations and the fringe and college
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: professors and people in the media. But did the Democratic
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: congressmen from your district sign on to that? No, they
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: did not, at least not in a bill. So, but,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they'll put up a quote from Kamala Harris
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: at the time in 2020 that makes it look that,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: and people did go overboard in 2020. Okay, so that's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the problem, is that the Democratic politician did not make
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: it clear to the voter that, Yeah, we're not for
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: defunding the police. We think that's stupid. The police are important,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: and they're especially important in neighborhoods with a lot of
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: people of color who did not want to defund the police.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: So I largely agree with that, but I think sometimes
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: we lay the blame at the feet of Democrats for
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: two reasons. One, there's bias in the media, but one
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: of the ways the media is biased is that it
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: treats Democrats as the protagonist and Republicans as the antagonist.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: So Democrats have agency. They're people you can reach. They're
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: people you can persuade. They're people you believe will try
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to do the right thing. And they're people that'll actually
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: respond to you.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Wait, are you saying they are, or that's how they're portrayed?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's how them, I think when people feel
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that there's a liberal bias and a lot of mainstream coverage,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: one of the manifestations of it is that they are
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: treated like the protagonist. Republicans are, if not villains, they're
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: kind of other and removed.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And Democrats are meant to be the people that respond.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: In the New York Times, it's like assumed we are
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: the good people. We are the good people who know
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the right answers to everything, and they are the people
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: who are not good. Yes, that assumption and that attitude
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: is something that very much fosters resentment, and I don't
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: blame the people. Like I always say, you could hate Trump.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: You can't hate everybody who voted for him. It's half
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: the country. And that's a lot of the reason why
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: they do.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Well, one of the other things it does, though, is it,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: It means Republicans aren't held as much accountable for their
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: own decisions.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Not at all.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: And I think part of it, too, the other piece
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: of it is that people are just uncomfortable with saying,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: hold on a second. There is a yeah, Democrats should
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: do a better job of tamping down misinformation and lies,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: but we're drowning in it. We're drowning in it. Yeah,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I wish Democrats were better at pushing back. back against
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: this bullshit, but we're kind of asking them to solve
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: for a society problem. You got, like, Jerry Connolly as
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: the minority leader in this House committee raising his hand
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: to beg Nancy Mace to stop saying a slur, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, we can't win a fight that way. We're
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: not going to be able to... Like, we're... these people
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: don't care what you have to say. They don't, they
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: want the fight. They want, they want you to, to
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: yell at them for saying the wrong thing. They don't,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: they don't care what you have to say about any
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And don't take the bait. I mean, that's what
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of Democrats are coming around to. I think
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I was talking about this on my show last Friday about,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't it, uh, you know, people you've probably worked with
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: and David Axelrod and somebody else like that said, Um,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: on USA. Oh, I know we had on a Congressman
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Tim Ryan and I, and I was, I was quoting
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Axelrod and somebody else who said, you know, on USA aid, uh,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: don't make, don't, that's not a hill I'm going to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: die on. I think that was exactly. And I just
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: read a list of things to Congressman Ryan, who I
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: think is going to run for governor of Ohio saying,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: tell me what else is a hill you will or
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: won't die on. That's what the Democrats, I think, should
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: be talking about with each other. What are the hills
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to die on and what are the hills
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: we're not? And it was kind of interesting to hear
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: his response to this list.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think there are, like, those are the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: political questions, the strategic questions we have to ask. But
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's also worth saying, hold on a second.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: The Trump administration is illegally shutting down a government agency
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: that is our counterweight to China around the world.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: And we all kind of understand that it's hard to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: tell people why it's important and nobody's going to understand it.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: You've got to let that one go.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I made that point. I said, what's about leadership? What
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: about saying the people aren't here and it's our duty to,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: that's what we're supposed to do, is lead them to
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: a place. Because the Republicans never shrink from leading people
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: to a place where the people aren't. That never intimidates them.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: The people were for a public option for a very
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: long time. with the healthcare debate. And they were like, yeah,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: we're at 20 points in the polls. We can flip that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: So there is that argument. But you know what? Do
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you want to win another election? Is there even going
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: to be another election? I mean, that was my original
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: thing about Trump. When everyone was saying I was crazy,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: he said he's never going to concede in an election.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I just feel like we probably have already crossed the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Rubicon on this. I just don't see this crowd ever
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: really giving up power because they really believe in their bones.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: And again, I could go through a lot of things
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: that make me understand why they think that way, although
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not with them, of course, on it. But they
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: think that the left is so crazy and so dangerous,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: and some of their ideas are so aggressively anti-common sense,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: and they are. They think that it is their duty
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to preserve power, to just not ever let those people
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: near the levers of power because it's just too crazy.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so dangerous. That's what they say they believe.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: But come on, Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer and Nancy
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Pelosi and Akeem Jeffries and Kamala Harris, these are mainstream
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: figures that are not dangerous at all. They either align
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: to themselves or are persuading themselves to believe that Democrats
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: pose a threat because it is part of the project
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: of denying the legitimacy of Democratic politics.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we could argue about a lot of issues there,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: but I'm sorry, Joe Biden... I think never stood up
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: to the far, far fringe of his party from, from
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: day one, he was just like too feeble, too old.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: These people are too mean, too powerful. I don't want
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: to even have the fight.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: What was something he did? But like, I'm not, I'm not,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: what's something he did?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Like, like we are an outlier in the trans. So
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: let's talk about that. With, with other countries. I mean,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the UK, the Nordic countries all pulled back on that
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: as far as like, Puberty blockers and operations for kids
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: under 18, letting kids, children self-diagnose, keeping it from parents.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: All this stuff has gone on and still goes on
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: in America. If it's something like that and you're a parent,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: which I am not, and I'm glad I'm not, that
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: issue is a lot closer to home to you than Ukraine.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know where it was five years ago,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: and now I care more about that. then this issue, I.
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  Speaker 1: Want to talk about the transition. Let's talk about it. But,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: but before you, are there other, that's the, that's the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: one people come to. Is there another example in your
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: mind of Joe Biden that, that somehow was, was.
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  Speaker 2: Super woke race. I mean, they, they put that in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: every department immediately, like day one, um, that was the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: most important thing. And now you see a lot of
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: corporations pulling back from it. I mean, like everything does
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: go too far. I mean, a university having 200 DEI officers,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: a university which is already one of the most liberal
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: places in the world, you know, and, you know, it's
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: one of those jobs where you'd have to admit there
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: was progress or else the answer is, well, maybe I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have this job anymore. And whoever does that.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about, let's go, let's talk about, I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: got to my card that says trance. Let's talk about it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: The position, like, look, other countries have national health services.
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  Speaker 1: The Democratic position is leave it up to parents, doctors,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: just leave. It's not the government's decision. That's the Democratic position.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with that position?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, say that again?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: The Democratic position, right? Well, the Democratic.
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  Speaker 2: Position in this state has been that you can, the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: kid can, the school has the right to hide it
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: from the parents. That is something that is not going
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: to go well with the average voter. And again, I'm
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: not even a parent here. And I get it, okay?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the governor here used the word snitch. Now,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, I didn't say it. I think I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: read that.
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  Speaker 1: So look, there are delicate problems here. But wait, wait,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: there's delicate problems here. And there's a delicate problem where
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: you have a kid, all right, who is either non-binary
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: or trans, who feels scared at home, feels unsafe at home.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Those things do happen in the world. There are things
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: that happen in the world. But for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what we're talking about. For the most part,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about is a teenager who has felt
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: that they have a gender dysmorphia, so what they feel
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: like is that they don't, they feel deeply unhappy, depression,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: all really rampant.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: And they go to their parents. Yes, and they feel that,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: and then they blame it on the thing that has
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: been put in their mind way too much, that it
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: may be because of you're in the wrong body, to
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: put it probably wrongly, but we understand what that means. Now,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: it could be that case. When Trump said there's only
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: two sexes, again, pendulum swinging way too far to stupidity, okay? Obviously,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: sex is more complicated than just two sexes. There are
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: people who absolutely, you know, are quote unquote in the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: wrong body. But when you're a kid, when even a teenager,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: and you're that confused about everything, and you have no idea,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: and you're upset for many other reasons, the idea that
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: they put it, let me just finish.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: I know. I can see you are ready. I can
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: see you pulling back the bow. And the fact that
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: they put this in their head too much, that's my thing.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Should you tell a kid, look, there's a default setting
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: for humans, male and female, but there are variations. That's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: absolutely true. Some people are attracted people of their own sex,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: and some people are actually in the quote unquote wrong body.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: And that does happen. But the amount that they Emphasize this.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: I compared it once on my show to entrapment.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: See, there you go.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I said let me finish.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is that not the end? I thought entrapment had.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: A period at the end. Could I explain it, though? Yes, explain.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I think we all get it, but yeah, explain it.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Entrapment. I don't think everybody does get it.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, explain it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, what is entrapment? Entrapment is when you suggest
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: something to people that they weren't ordinarily going to do.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I used the example of after 9-11. the FBI got
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: caught basically entrapping some people, which is what they went
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: to people who were, excuse me, I'm not done.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You're right.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that was rude. That was rude.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: That was rude. Bill, finish. You're explaining how being trans
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: is like being recruited into Al-Qaeda.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's glib and stupid. Absolutely. 100% glib.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Stupid and glib.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: It is. Yes. Because it's not true. Right. And you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: didn't even let me get through the thing.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: And now I got to go.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: You're just going to leave? We're in the middle of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: a debate.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, okay. I'll finish this. Entrapment. Like, okay, so
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: they go to somebody. They go to a group of guys.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: They did this to a group of poor black guys
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: in Miami and were unhappy with America. And, hey, wouldn't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: it be great if we blew up the Sears Tower
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: in Chicago? And these guys didn't even have a gun.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, I hate America or I got
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: problems with America. That does sound kind of cool. And, hey, well,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: we can get you the explosives. That's entrapment. You put
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: an idea in people's heads that wouldn't have been there otherwise.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Do I think in most of America they did that
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: in schools? I don't. But I think in enough of them,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: in enough far left places, they did constantly have this
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: idea in the minds of children that maybe you're not
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: in the right body. I mean, the New England Journal
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: of Medicine advocated for taking sex off Of a birth certificate,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: I believe. It was like, you're assigned sex. Assigned. You're assigned.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's right.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I was assigned it by my dick, okay, when
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: I was born. Yes, and again, to tell kids it
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't always have to be and isn't always the default setting,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: but that's a different mentality. than they put in the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: minds of kids. And that's why this debate goes on.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: And the fact that you think, or a lot of
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: people on the left think, that even if you just
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: have this debate, it makes you a bigot, you just
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: have to roll over, that was, you asked about the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Biden administration, that was their position. If you even question this,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: you're some sort of a bigot. And this is new
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: science and it has to do with children And it's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: not going to look good in the future, that position.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Can I just respond to something?
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Now you can.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Now I can respond?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: All right. I gotta go. All right.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I said my piece. You definitely said your piece.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Just say your bullshit while I'm in the bathroom.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Just stay for one second.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm kidding. Unbelievable. I'm kidding.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: All right, no, I know.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: A lot of things there. First of all, this is
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: going to sound confrontational. For a long time, people said, oh,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: older gay people are recruiting kids to be gay. And
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't really be gay. They were being recruited. They
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: were being groomed. That was their conservative position, the Christian
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: right position for a long time was the reason you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: don't want to have gay teachers is they're going to recruit.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: That the gay lifestyle is going to look so enticing
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: and so exciting that it's going to bring these poor
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: defenseless boys, mostly boys, into the gay lifestyle and destroy them.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: their lives. But of course that wasn't true. Really, all
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: gay teachers were an example, right? Look, there are a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: few examples of people getting older and realizing that they
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have transitioned. That happens.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: It's real.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: That's real.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, more than a few.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: But there are also really important surgeries that people get
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: for their heart and they go wrong and somebody dies.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: And nobody says we must stop the cardiologists No one
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: says we must.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Stop the surgeons. That's your analogy?
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Well, my analogy is only that... Wait, let me finish.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Can I finish? Yes.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Is it my turn to talk?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: And what you say is, let's make sure that this
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: version of it is being practiced well. We don't get
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: rid of the specific surgery. We don't throw out a
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: whole field of medicine. We say, let's make sure we're
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: doing it in a way that's healthy. The science, the research,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: all right, makes clear that, yes, there are exceptions. Yes,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: there are people practicing it. in ways that maybe go
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: too far. But for the most part, study after study
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: shows that gender-affirming care saves... Wait, let me... I'm talking.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: It's my turn. I was so quiet for so long
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: after I interrupted a few times. But once I stopped talking, boy,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I was good at it. And that gender-affirming care saves
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of lives. And the truth is, we talk
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: about these edge cases, talk about athletes, talk about locker rooms,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: but for the most part, what we're talking about is
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: a very small group of people that just want the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: opportunity to live and express themselves. And there is a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: war on that group of people from the right to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: make salient extreme cases, edge cases, not for the purposes
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: of stopping those, but for doing what the Trump administration
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: is doing entirely, which is stopping all gender-affirming care altogether
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and making trans people fucking nervous when they have to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: pee at the airport, right? Which is the end result
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: of all this.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Of course, that's awful, and I agree with all that,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: except the part about the studies. There was a very
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: big story this year It was in the front page
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: of the New York Times. A woman, I forget her name,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: and she had done like it was a 10-year study,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: did not release it on purpose because she said it
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: would weaponize the argument from the other side. So in
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: other words, it came out not the way you wanted
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: the study to come out. Not what you said that it's, oh,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: all the studies show that. No, it is a mixed bag.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: That's true. Some people, yes, it's the right thing. But
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: to take that risk at that age before you know
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: shit about anything, yes, sometimes it's pretty obvious that this
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: should— it' s a very hard call to make. And again, this
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: was a very long study, very thorough, and they wouldn't
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: release it because it came out with the wrong conclusion.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: But because it is a hard question.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Because it is a serious question.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: It is a personal question. I don't want Donald Trump deciding.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: I want parents and doctors.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: You just said parents can get shut out.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think parents should get shut out. There
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: are rare exceptions. Look, we all believe that parents should
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: have the decisions over their children, but we also recognize
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: that some parents do such a bad fucking job that
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: the kids are in danger. That happens outside of trans issues.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: That happens all the time.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: It's terrible.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Some parents are fucking terrible. Somehow the fact that there
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: are terrible parents in the world gets erased on these questions.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Do I think that schools should, as a baseline, be
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: keeping a secret from parents? Of fucking course not. No
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: one thinks that. No one thinks that.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's not true. People do think that. And there
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: is no perfect answer to this. It's, as many naughty questions,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: the least bad answer.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: And the least bad answer is to not have the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: government decide from above. It's just to leave it up
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: to people and parents and the kids and the doctors.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: You want the government to ban gender-affirming care for kids?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: You want to lose every election? Just keep coming down
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: on the side of parents coming in second in a
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Who gets to decide what goes on with my kid contest?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not talking about winning or losing elections.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I agree that there's a salience to this issue. I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: agree that this has been weaponized. I agree with all that,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: but I'm just talking about the issue itself.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: What did that card say? Can I take this one
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: home as a souvenir? I'm going to put it in
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: my scrapbook.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Let me see if I hit all my points that
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to make about this.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Boy. Like, they don't even... See, couldn't they have started...
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: It says, my guest this week is Tuffinghouse, Belmar, Bill,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: couldn't they have started this on the next card? Don't
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: you think that word Bill should have been started on
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: the next card? No. I'm not trying to get anybody
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: in trouble. Let's not. You want to go? That's it?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: You're just leaving? Yeah, I'm just leaving.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Bill Maher, everybody.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I had questions more. I had other questions.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: We could do it all day.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess not. We could.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: All right, good.
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