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Pretty Private: Down Low Men Exposed: Part 1 with the DL Whisperer · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebine, a space where no
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  Speaker 1: question is off limits and storylines become lifelines. The views
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  Speaker 1: shared by our guests are meant to inform, entertain and empower.
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  Speaker 1: From the laughs to the lessons. Just remember, tough times
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  Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? I hope all is cute? Ishagara Ebinez
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  Speaker 2: here and welcome back to Pretty Private Now. This week
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  Speaker 2: on the show, I had the absolute pleasure of sitting
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  Speaker 2: down with DL Whisper, someone who's shed in light on
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  Speaker 2: conversations most people are too afraid to have. Now, in
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  Speaker 2: part one of our conversations, we dive into his personal
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  Speaker 2: journey with DL men and how those experiences led him
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  Speaker 2: to create a platform that not only informs, but also
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  Speaker 2: challenges the way we think about DL culture, black relationships,
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  Speaker 2: and taboo topics within our community. So get ready, because
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  Speaker 2: my conversation with d L Whisper starts now. All right,
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  Speaker 2: to my guests, thank you so much for being a guest.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty Private. How are you doing. How you feeling?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling great. It's Sunday, it's early, this is
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  Speaker 3: my rome time, early in the morning. So I feel great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, shah, he got me recording on a Sunday on
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  Speaker 2: the Lord's Day. I said, I know that's right. Well,
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  Speaker 2: for those who may not know, I love your work.
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  Speaker 2: I discover you on one of my favorite YouTubers, Storm
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  Speaker 2: and Row shout out to him, and I was just
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  Speaker 2: so intrigued with what you're doing because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: you're literally doing God's work and being very informative, very helpful,
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  Speaker 2: very insightful, and I can only imagine the flag that
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  Speaker 2: you do receive from certain people. But before we start,
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  Speaker 2: can you please let people know what is a download men?
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  Speaker 3: So a download man is the man that either has
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  Speaker 3: been with men, has desires to be women or I
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  Speaker 3: mean essentially, either he wants to be with men or
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  Speaker 3: he has been with men and he's secretly doing it,
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  Speaker 3: but he's keeping this heterosexual identity. So essentially dating women,
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  Speaker 3: marrying women, but sleeping with men secretly. That's the cutting
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  Speaker 3: draw difference.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So would you say there's a difference between a
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  Speaker 2: download man and a closet man because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: it's a very thin line.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I just made a video about that because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like it's semantics technically, and I hate semantics. So I
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  Speaker 3: know people are like, oh, I respect the closeted man,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm like, it's technically the same thing. Like the
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  Speaker 3: only difference is we assume a closetive man isn't pursuing
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  Speaker 3: women and that they're just only pursuing men. But people
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  Speaker 3: just don't know about their sexuality. But I don't know
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  Speaker 3: many closetive men, because that's the street is gay people
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  Speaker 3: with paul it.
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  Speaker 2: But exactly That's how I was like, let me ask
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  Speaker 2: this question because I feel like the line is very
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  Speaker 2: thin between the two.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it's the same, but people are Samani, so
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  Speaker 3: I just let them they want to use it. Because
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  Speaker 3: even the whole gay and by like men are either
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  Speaker 3: gay or they're straight. I don't do by like. It's
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  Speaker 3: just keep it cut and dry, like I don't like
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  Speaker 3: the semantics of it all.
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  Speaker 2: We both on all fours.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, because a lot of people have been asking, like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the difference, So I'm just like, I don't really
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  Speaker 3: talk about it because there's really no difference because regardless,
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  Speaker 3: you're not going to know if a man is if
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  Speaker 3: he's sleeping with women, or if you think that he's straight,
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  Speaker 3: you're not going to know he's secretly with men, regardless
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  Speaker 3: of if he's closeted ordel. So they both do the
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  Speaker 3: same thing. It's just one where so mean is not
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  Speaker 3: is not affecting women.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what inspire you to start helping women detect
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  Speaker 2: men who identify as or who are downlaw Because I
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  Speaker 2: was reading listen to your videos and stuff, and I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: like you've been doing this for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So what originally inspired me, I guess you could
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  Speaker 3: say is because Okay, when I like, I always tell
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  Speaker 3: people I was never with download men as like you
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  Speaker 3: see some people do it for like competition. I guess
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  Speaker 3: you could say, I don't approach men, So if a
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  Speaker 3: man approached me, I was never going to assume he
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  Speaker 3: was download This is where that closeted comes into waiting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assume you're closeted, but then I find out you're
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  Speaker 3: into women, and all it is. Now I know that
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  Speaker 3: you're download so it makes it a lot different. And
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't too privy about the dating, so I didn't
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  Speaker 3: look at it as a bad thing. When men told
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  Speaker 3: me that they were down load, It's like, okay, that's
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  Speaker 3: your sexuality that has nothing to do with me. So
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  Speaker 3: by me not really knowing what download was, throughout dating,
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  Speaker 3: I you know, I learned what it was, and I
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  Speaker 3: learned the way that they moved and like I always
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  Speaker 3: tell people, like, there was instances where my life was
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  Speaker 3: almost taken, so where my life was almost.
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  Speaker 2: Pack yeah, oh wow, So I was listening to that video.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have to say the name. But did you
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  Speaker 2: try to like confront him or.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to leave him actually because I had essentially,
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  Speaker 3: you know, after a couple of years, I'm okay, are
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  Speaker 3: we getting married? At this point, It's like it's been
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  Speaker 3: five years, Like what are we doing yet? What we're doing?
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  Speaker 3: So he was like, we're never gonna get married, like
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  Speaker 3: his parents were going through a divorce. It was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of stuff. So for me, I'm done. But then,
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  Speaker 3: you know how it was a month later, it was
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  Speaker 3: late at night, we was texting. I let him come over.
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  Speaker 3: Shit didn't go how I needed to go, and he
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get hard. Like so when he couldn't get hard,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, this is a sign from God that
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  Speaker 3: we're not even supposed to be right here, right now,
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  Speaker 3: right not get hard?
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  Speaker 2: Aside from god cha.
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  Speaker 3: So I was trying to. I was just telling him like, well,
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  Speaker 3: this is a sign, and he just couldn't you know.
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  Speaker 3: And then I was growing on social media. So he
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  Speaker 3: had built this paranoia in his head that somehow when
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  Speaker 3: we are completely done, since I was leaving him, that
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  Speaker 3: I was going to go do story times and you know,
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  Speaker 3: exposed him, right, I told him after five years, don't
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  Speaker 3: you think after so many things that had happened, if
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  Speaker 3: I was going to expose you, I would have done that.
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  Speaker 3: But see that's when I realized like their paranoia had
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  Speaker 3: it had nothing to do what they had with him
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  Speaker 3: thinking that his secret could even be exposed because I
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  Speaker 3: knew his secret, and not with you because usually you
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  Speaker 3: don't see gay me and leaving the DL man. So
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  Speaker 3: even me doing that was like a big like oh wow,
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  Speaker 3: like you're leaving me, Like yo, like I'm done I started.
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  Speaker 2: So how did it end.
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  Speaker 3: With all of that? Like he tried to you know,
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  Speaker 3: kill me. He ended up going to jail. I ended
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  Speaker 3: up exposing him against the police wishes, and then I
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  Speaker 3: got dogs. Then that that was the end. I never
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  Speaker 3: saw him again. We had one conversation since besides him
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  Speaker 3: boxing me. But that was it because once we get
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  Speaker 3: physical and then, like I know people when they hear like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he tried to save my life, like I'm not playing
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  Speaker 3: like when I take knives, candles biting, like just none
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  Speaker 3: stopped fighting for like thirty minutes. And if you're from
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  Speaker 3: Atlanta or you living, it's taking Atlanta police forever to
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  Speaker 3: get somewhere, like if I want to if I like
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  Speaker 3: I always tell people, if I couldn't have defended myself,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't even be And when the police got there,
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  Speaker 3: they're like, don't expose him, like you don't know what
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  Speaker 3: that's gonna do to his mental life.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the police was encouraging not to expose him.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, They was encouraging me to essentially allow him to
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  Speaker 3: do all of which he did to me because they
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  Speaker 3: only took him to jail because I pressed the issue,
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  Speaker 3: Like they weren't even gonna take him to jail. He
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  Speaker 3: was driving with no license, DUIs all of this. Then
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  Speaker 3: they didn't give a vote. He had stole my wallet,
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  Speaker 3: my iPad, all of this, Like they're arresting him and
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  Speaker 3: they're taking out all of my shit and they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: because they thought I was lying, they didn't believe. From
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  Speaker 3: that point, I was like, okay, because I had never
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  Speaker 3: been in a situation with the police and a deal man.
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  Speaker 3: And then I realized like this wasn't what I thought. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and then that's when I'm like, okay. Even as far
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  Speaker 3: as the women, like, you know, I had a dal
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  Speaker 3: gut that I was talking to me and his baby
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  Speaker 3: mamas kept getting in to it and stuff. So I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you know, for me, I wanted to help
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  Speaker 3: women because I was, like I said, I was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit younger, so I was more so deefing with them,
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  Speaker 3: like we're going back and forth. Whereas like I always
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  Speaker 3: tell the DL dudes now because I still talk to
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  Speaker 3: some of them just you know, because meh, but I'll
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  Speaker 3: be letting them know I should have went against you,
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  Speaker 3: not have been beefing with women. Even though women were
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  Speaker 3: beefing with me, like they were approaching me, but I
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  Speaker 3: still should have thought, like, maybe I should team up
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  Speaker 3: with them because the man.
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  Speaker 2: Is been their own because essentially he's playing us.
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  Speaker 3: Both, thank you, And it wasn't that's always I didn't
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  Speaker 3: be with so many women about men that well they
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  Speaker 3: beef with me. But it's the fact that people be
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  Speaker 3: surprised because they'll think that when women hear that their
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  Speaker 3: man is ll that that's it. And it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them don't leave. They'll just just like
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  Speaker 3: they'll be for the women they're gonna be with that
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  Speaker 3: gay boy.
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  Speaker 2: Which I am so surprised that in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: we are still going through this. I know, like, it's
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  Speaker 2: very shocking to me.
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  Speaker 3: I'll see why though, why they want somebody people don't
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  Speaker 3: know how to go. And I was like that too,
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  Speaker 3: So I was willing to accept literally anything, because like
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  Speaker 3: I always tell my family, like it played into how
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  Speaker 3: I was raised. Let's always tell people how people are
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  Speaker 3: raised playing such a big part in who they become.
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  Speaker 3: So once I started going to therapy and realizing a
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  Speaker 3: lot of my toxic traits, that that made me not
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  Speaker 3: even going to be with del man because it made
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  Speaker 3: me realize, like their whole existence is a lot, it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot like there there, everything is victimalized. And then
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  Speaker 3: once I saw when I came to everybody with what
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  Speaker 3: happened to me, and I saw everybody's reaction, I was
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  Speaker 3: just like a little shocked because people didn't have sympathy,
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  Speaker 3: not that I wanted it, but it was like he
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  Speaker 3: became the victim. Mm. They become the victims. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: just like, are people like I understand it's not okay
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  Speaker 3: to expose somebody's sexuality, but the things that.
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  Speaker 2: They do but also don't force my hand.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I say, like, if you would have never
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  Speaker 3: attacked me, you would have never got exposed. And then
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  Speaker 3: from there when somebody tried to save your life, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the serious matter. So like I always tell people,
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  Speaker 3: I should have got off social media, but I had
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  Speaker 3: my mental breakdown that I was gonna have regardless, I
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  Speaker 3: had it on social media, which is how all of
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  Speaker 3: these other men got exposed because I was pierced, like
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  Speaker 3: you know, because some of them were reaching out blaming
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  Speaker 3: me too. So I'm just like everybody blaming me for
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  Speaker 3: actions that somebody else done. Like at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, I can't make somebody attack me and try
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  Speaker 3: to kill me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And how were you raised? Cause I think you
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  Speaker 2: make that's a really good point. I always say that
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  Speaker 2: childhood makes a break your adulthood.
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  Speaker 3: So I was raised like split like when I was
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  Speaker 3: with my mother, very toxic, but when I was with
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  Speaker 3: my great grandmother, very Christian, very like I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I contribute most of my personality and the good part
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  Speaker 3: sent me to my great grandmother.
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  Speaker 2: But my mom always have an old soul.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, I'm always toxic. So that's always tell people
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  Speaker 3: like that toxicness is in there because me, my mom
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  Speaker 3: was very, very toxic. And like I always tell people,
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  Speaker 3: it was this one do dude, and he the one
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  Speaker 3: who made me even realize to start self reflecting it
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  Speaker 3: because he wasn't a bad person, and I guess you
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  Speaker 3: don't say he was posted, but you know, I kind
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  Speaker 3: of treated him terribly and that was the first time
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  Speaker 3: I ever got cut off by anybody. So it made
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  Speaker 3: me start reflecting that. I realized, like, the way that
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  Speaker 3: you're treating people, this is not love. But I thought
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  Speaker 3: it was love because like like I said, oh, people
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  Speaker 3: on from you'll get cussed out, be everything, and then
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  Speaker 3: you're okay. Yeah, you'll fight because scream, say some of
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  Speaker 3: the most hateful ship and then you're okay.
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  Speaker 2: But that's how that's how I grew up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's toxic, right some people. I was with
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  Speaker 3: a man that had never got cussed out, his mama,
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  Speaker 3: had never coasted to him, so when I'm cussing him out,
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  Speaker 3: calling him all types of bitches and he couldn't take it, and.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, who are you talking to to me?
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  Speaker 3: This just to love? Like I mean, when you get mad,
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  Speaker 3: you say ship sometimes that I had to realize that's
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  Speaker 3: that's not love, you know, so that's always say like
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  Speaker 3: it was a combination. That's why I never I'm not
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  Speaker 3: mad at THEO man because they helped me likelearn a
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  Speaker 3: lot about myself in the world in general. Because I
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  Speaker 3: know we can't say no names, but maybe when we're
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  Speaker 3: not recording, I'll tell you some stories. But the amount
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  Speaker 3: of men that are DL is crazy celebrity wise. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, And people always think I'm like, I like Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's how I said, I'll tell you so we'll
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  Speaker 3: talk about that after. But yo, that's why I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I had TV shows in college all of this, so
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  Speaker 3: the DM thing has always been something that you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've been you know, kind of trying to help people
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  Speaker 3: with because with the TV shows that was going to
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  Speaker 3: help people, but a DL man stopped. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so when I realized, like, Okay, I don't really need
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  Speaker 3: a TV show or I don't need other platforms or
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  Speaker 3: other people to help me spread this information. I can
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  Speaker 3: just literally record a video. So once I really got
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  Speaker 3: into that and I finally decided like I didn't care
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  Speaker 3: what my job thought because I've always worked in public education,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, working at it.
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  Speaker 2: You definitely give me educated like you pull out them
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  Speaker 2: notes and you get to teach it. I just know
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  Speaker 2: that's right.
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  Speaker 3: But you know this one because this is part of
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  Speaker 3: why I off my job because this is too controversial.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I knew that's why I wasn't associating my name
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  Speaker 3: with it, but once I got thoughts again and people
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  Speaker 3: associated it to my name, I didn't really have a choice,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, I go with it. And that's why I
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  Speaker 3: was like, for me, it just made me realize, like,
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  Speaker 3: this is what I'm supposed to be doing because this
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  Speaker 3: had nothing. I was the best at my job. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: else could do financial head and still can't do it
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  Speaker 3: how I do it. But it's the fact that this
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  Speaker 3: right here me helping women. And think about it, I
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  Speaker 3: worked with all black women managed by black women, and
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  Speaker 3: they were the ones who got rid of me because
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  Speaker 3: of this type of content. And I'm just like you
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  Speaker 3: would have thought they would have been more appreciative because
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  Speaker 3: I'm literally just trying to help women in.
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  Speaker 2: General, and what does this have to do with mine?
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  Speaker 2: Nine to five?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Well, they said they didn't want this to reflect
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  Speaker 3: on them, because again it makes sense like people coming
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  Speaker 3: up at the school, like, you know, they I got it.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I was like for a long time, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't really help women publicly, like I've always helped my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Like if they send me a dude, do you think
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  Speaker 3: he gave, I'm gonna let them know, Like you baby
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  Speaker 3: daddy doing some questionable stuff, I'm gonna let you know
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  Speaker 3: like I've always That's why I say, like, essentially now
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  Speaker 3: I'm just giving women on the internet the same advice
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  Speaker 3: that I give women in my everyday life, like my
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  Speaker 3: best friends, than my acquaintances and just women because I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like I always say, I've never been the type of
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  Speaker 3: gay guy that felt like in competition with women, hated
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  Speaker 3: women because for me, you know, I was about to say,
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  Speaker 3: because it's a lot of women that feel like they
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  Speaker 3: go through that, but I'm like, I know that only
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  Speaker 3: man and I know that you're a woman. If a
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  Speaker 3: man he doesn't want me for the reasons that he
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  Speaker 3: wants you, so there's no competition. Ever, you're complete different things.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like with knowing that it was never
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  Speaker 3: because a lot of gay men have women mentalities where
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  Speaker 3: everybody is all competition, Like he didn't weigh everybody in
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  Speaker 3: this fight. It's just the one started because I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they could never compete with women. But you can't feel
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  Speaker 3: with some of them that.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? It's Chagara Embna here and be sure
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  Speaker 2: at the Professional Homegirl. Now let's get back to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Listen quick story time. So I was in Paris, right,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go see Beyonce perform, and I met
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  Speaker 2: this guy through a friend that was with me, and
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  Speaker 2: come to find out he was gay. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: this was the Nigga version of me, like for real,
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  Speaker 2: like we had such a good time. So it was
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: another guy that we noticed this in the same rooms
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: with us whatever, and I feel like he was like
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: maybe not on the DL but probably just not fully out.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: And the only reason why I said this is because
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: when he saw me. When I tell you he was
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: staring at me, and I ain't gonna lie. The nigga
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: was fine, So I'm like, is he gay or does
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: he like me? Or you know what I'm saying. So
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: eventually we went to some other spots or whatever, and
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: it was predominantly where you know the girls was at.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: And I see him with a nigga, so I'm like,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: and he saw me, so I can tell he got
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: a little uncomfortable. But I was like, no, I'd be
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: cool to snap because I'm like, shit, everybody want this
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: nigga because he was fine. And so I was telling
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: my homeboy and he was like, because the guy ended
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: up following me on Instagram, so I follow him back whatever,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: and I was telling my homeboy. He was like, well
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: send me his page, and he's like I made the
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: best bitch win. And I was like, child, But it's
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: so true what you're saying that, like a lot of
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: these men, like I could just tell how tense he got,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: like every time he would see me with our mutual friends,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: like he would not be comfortable. But when I walk
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: away and I watch him from like, you know, him
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: not knowing, I'm like, look at this nigga. I'm like boy,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: just be cray. It's twenty twenty.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Five and it's all in there here for the most part.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: That's what they don't get. They think everybody is just
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: judging them, which a lot of them know that. Now
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of them also know a woman isn't going
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: to want them if she knows that he's in man,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: So a lot of them have an attraction for women.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, listen, I like, I always tell people
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be with a woman, but I can look
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: at a woman and find a woman attractor. So they
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: are going to be men that are going to go
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: further than that, and they still might not want to
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: be with a woman. And some dl men actually wants
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: to be with women, but they just have these secret
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: little kinks for men. So that's always kind of got
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: to know where you're at with a man, because I mean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: is any man in straights? I think that's kind of
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: like a defect at this point. If a man is straight,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: it's defective because we're are the straight men well maybe
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: not online. Let me be clear, there are straight men
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: very small it's the very small percentage.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Because I can find no man child or no man
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: ain't found me. Would you make a good point because
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I had a conversation with this with one of my
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: other guests and her stories with finding out that her
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: husband was on the d L and I think he
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: had as and she lived in Atlanta, right, and she
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: was saying how she don't believe that no man is straight.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Well in Atlanta, Now that's one of the capitals. If
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: you're in Houston, Atlanta, New York, Miami, New York.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm in New York.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, I hope you're not in like none of the Burroughs.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: They're none of the Burrows.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: No, you think all of them.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Gay, don't and don't let them be Puerto Rican.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Come on, I know about the poppies now.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: But listen, who do you think like the poppies? The niggas?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: The niggas? I know, that's all. I'm like. If it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a bunch of them, and it's a bunch of niggas somewhere,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: you gotta start watching. That's why I told women about
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: the app store going because I mean, at this point,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: these DM men are so lazy that of course they're
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: going to go to an app and just get on
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: here person two hundred feet away, Bratlorer, It's easy so.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: You didn't think that the white man's where is that
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I really want to be with a nigga.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: But I think you'll have more transparency with a white man.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: But I think I always tell women like I wouldn't
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: at this point in time, I would not put all
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: of my eggs and especially one basket. But especially not
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: just black men, you know, because I think that the
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: amount of Black men that have not been conquered by
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: white supremacy and all of the other bullshit that has
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: been thrown at our community, I think that they're already
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: taken for starters, and it's such a small number that
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: you're gonna be picking for needles in a haystack. So
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it's like open it up because a lot of other
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: men will appreciate. I mean, I think in general, a
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: straight man isn't gonna be so concerned about race. But
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: they're also not gonna be self hating. So let's make
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: that clear. Because it's like always look people about intiracial dating.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: You just top to weed out those people, Like if
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: you meet a black man that doesn't tate black women,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: big red flag. If you meet a white yeah, black
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: think you you came from somebody. But how can you
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: not like self hating people. That's the prerecordit for a
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: man to be deals. So as long as you're those men,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: a white man that oh I don't date white women,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I only want black women. Okay, so you have a fetish, Okay, cool,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: if you're cool with being a fetish. Let's always tell
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: people just know what you're getting yourself into when you're
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: dating certain ethnic groups, because you have to know.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: How that's a fact. Do you think that some of
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: these men are addicted to living a double life?
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Are they addicted or can they just get away with
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it easily? I'm not even gonna. I do think some
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: of them are, but I think it's more so I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: ain't and I don't give them no excuses. But it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: like a society thing because even though, like I tell people,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I know plenty of people like sports players, let's let's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: do sports specifically that if the world was to find
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: out there dyl they're off of the team, like they
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: will never play again if it's confirmed. Now, if it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: just a rumor and it's no proof or nothing there,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: but I feel like society just do it does demonize
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: people that are not straight in certain positions. So let's
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: always stay like, you have to know what type of
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: man you're dating. If you're dating a man that like,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: if you're dating a coach, I coaches need a wife
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: and kids to make that whole esthetic work, like you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the image work. So you have to know which type
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: of man. Like when you're in these music industries, podcast,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: anything with fine arts or the media, you need a
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: lot of men that are gonna need beards. They're gonna know.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy that you said that. Because one of
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: my homeboys, he works in the industry, and he was like, girl,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: he said, you ain't gonna get no man in this industry.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: He was like, in you and media, he said, either
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: they gay or horse. He was like, you're not gonna
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: find anybody. And I was like, for real, he was like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: and that's who was telling me, Like, you might as
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: well just get your white man I see you, or
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: get a other Indian man. He was like, because you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: ain't gonna get no nigga. All these niggas are either
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: gay or they nasty.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Because, especially for black men, because we are the apendey
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: of masculinity, a lot of them when they're getting to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: these heights they have they're having and I hate to
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: bring race into it, but I have to. They're having
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: to go through these white men that are going to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: make them do things that are humiliating, the meaning that
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: makes them hate themselves because the whole, the whole objective
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: is for black men, especially to not feel good about themselves,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: like all of this. Look what that repression is like.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Look how you always see where the athlete gets with
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that white woman and then look what always end up happening.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but back to slavery. That's how they used to
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: break the household down. They break the man down. Right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Come on, now, one thing about professional homegirls. We know something.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Now you break the man down, and once he break
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the man down, then everybody else in the household follows
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: because the man is ahead of the household. And once
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: you take that from a man, his dignity, that's it.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: And see this is and this is the good part
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: black women. It didn't work on black women because I
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: feel like they what happened. It worked on black men,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: But it made black women stronger. Let's always tell black women, like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: when you're here some why they call it you stronger,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: that those are used to make you think that you
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: being stronger, independent is bad, but you had to be
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: because you couldn't depend on your men facts. They didn't
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: want you to. They didn't want you all to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: stronger independent. But I'm like, that's what's holding the black community. Oh,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it's black women. Like if black women had been conquered
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: by men, or they let black men conquer them, the
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: whole Black community is going to be done. It's not
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: standing on black men. Like, think about any time there's
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a political movement, who's at the forefront black men or
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: black women. Anytime there's any anything, anything is women because
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: black men are cowards. Yeah, child, when you go back
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: to the racism and all of that, that's always tell
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: people like the dh thing is so much deeper than
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: just that, because I was like, even like when we
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: get into the STDs that they put in this community,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, everything that they've done to break the
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: black community, it's somewhat work, But what they didn't account
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: for is that it affected their communities too.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It is exactly, and that's when it becomes a problem.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: That's when it becomes a problem. And that's why now
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: it's more so about just elitists, like they don't care
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: now they always knew that all white people would not
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: have the same white supremacy like the elite people of
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the society.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: End of time. But then when those white kids start
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: doing drugs and getting high and over those opios. Oh,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: it was an epidemic. It was a problem.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: And that's why I say, I hate to make it
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: so black and white, but don't get integrated for seventy
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: five years, so we have to go back to Like
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: if you go back, so now you're like, I mean,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: it started black and white. You were either white or
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you were colored or move lot of them. So that's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: always so I'm not making it black and white, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: that's where it started because like even with the LGBT,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I don't ever consider myself a part of LGBC because
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: if you look at how the LGBT community was formed,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: it was stormed for white people, so they didn't hate themselves.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Because if you go back, so before we were colonized
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: African people. Because the men love to bring up Africans
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: when they want to talk about piercings and other girly
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: things that they're doing to beautify they stuff. But if
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: you go back and really study, all African cultures had
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: to or they felt like their people were too spirited
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: where they had a male spirit, woman's spirit, Like sexuality
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't a thing. I was like white people started putting
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: everything into categories and everything, like think about it, like
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: if we would have never been colonized, it would be
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: no straight, gay or whatever. People just were people. Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you also mentioned in one of your
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: videos that you felt like the community wasn't really fucking
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: They don't.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Oh they still don't.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Why is that using about the gay community, right?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Or the LB because they don't like to hear the truth.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Like as you can see, like I'm not I'm not
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: gonna say get things about people. I'm gonna just speak
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the truth. And they try to disconnect the DL men
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: from the community, and like I always tell them, like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: DL men are literally just gay men. So I know
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: people love to say, well they're making gay men look bad.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Well this is where gay men need to say accountablit. See.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: That's why I honestly thought when I started this whole process,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, there's gonna be so many other people
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: that are gonna come in and add their information.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: This was not that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so much negative from and from like
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the trans community, the gay community, the bay community, or
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the buy community really don't count because they're so small.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I don't even think it's no openly by men. Yeah yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: but yeah. So they were just upset because they felt
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: like a lot of them did tell me like they
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: felt like I was holding up a mirror and they
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: didn't like seeing essentially themselves and some people it was
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: just traumatic, and I get it. It's a traumatic experience,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: like for women, it's a traumatic experience for some gay men.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Like it's tru that's always say like DM, men don't
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: help anybody but themselves. So that's why I was confused
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: on like everybody teamed up against me because they don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: help nobody. Like I've never heard somebody say a do
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: man came into their life and brought them so much joy?
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Have you? I like that?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yo.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: One thing about this podcast, I didn't have so many
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: different conversations because another woman who I was talking to,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: we were talking about her journey with her being promiscuous,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and she were talking about the down low men and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: she was saying how she was at a party with
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: her homeboy and her homeboy saw her friend with a
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: nigga at Homebo was like, I know that nigga from somewhere,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know where. You already smil him. So she
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: was like, well, how you know him? Because he had
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: just got out of jail. Come to find out, the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: nigga was fucking with his jail bunkie and he was like.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: She was like, well, we need to go tell my homegirl.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: So he went to go tell her. Homegirl was like, hey, like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not trying to be mess or anything.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking out for you. I just want you
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: to know what your man been doing when he was
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in jail. And the nigga denied it, and she believed
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: her man obviously, but then until the jail monkey had
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: called him and stepped to her like a woman, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: she still didn't believe it. And I'm like, girl, you
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: cannot want a man some people.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you some people like literally, because you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I helped women too, so I talked to so many women.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, some women want a man that bad,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: like to the point that I mean it ain't even
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: have to getting to know too much. But like I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: always say, these dal men are perverted, they're dding. So
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: some women will let's just say put others at risk
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to keep these men, like maybe their kids. And so
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: because you know, like I said, I don't want to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: trigger nobody, but so let's always say like some women
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: will do a lot to keep a man.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Is that particular story you're thinking about.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But because this this one girl I was talking
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: to essentially her man, who already she was calling me
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: to ask, you know, is he deal, et cetera. But
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: when we started getting into it, and she was just
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: telling me some instances where you know, he's naked and
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: hard in front of her daughters and he's picking the
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: kids up hard and they're naked and just a whole
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: whole lot of nickedness and weird, you know. But she
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: was saying that he was telling her, well, me and
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: my dad done this pretty much my whole life. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I was just I was just like, you see him
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: and his dad done it their whole life. He doesn't,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: he doesn't see it's something wrong here. And that's all
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I was Like a lot of men that urdl have
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: been touched and they haven't talked about it. I mean
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: not to say that that's gonna make somebody be d ill,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: but I think a lot of men have went through
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: some type of assault that they just don't talk about
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: because they don't think that even if it's a woman
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that has done it, they don't want to talk about it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Let's always say like when she was telling me that,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: and I hear a lot of perverted stories that involve
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: kids or animals, and like that for me be red
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: flags like animal. Yeah, like this girl, her Man she
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: was doing something with horses, like she was a horse
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: rider or you know whatever they do, whatever you call it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Dis her Man made her stop working with the horses
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: because he thought she would fuck a horse. And I
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: was just like, girl the beast reality, the fact that
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: he even got that thought in his mind, the fact
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: that he really pushed the issue, that's serious to make
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you start working horses. I was like, something's off there
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: with him. She still wants him, he doesn't really.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Want her horse.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: The thing is, she flew all the way from Norway
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: to America. He showed me some pictures. I was like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you could do so much better than him. I was like, listen,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: you don't know how white supremacy and how white man.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, you over here worried about this white man.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: That's the red neck and a trailer park that's doing
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: melting fettermines with his dad, thinking you're gonna fuck a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: horse like I was just like, girl, you should have
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: stayed in Norway. I'm like, you could have had any
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: white man. And this is what you think is like
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, yo, you don't know the culture.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: And that's always telling people know the culture. She was like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I don't like Norwegian guys. Like okay, I'm like, I still.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You stillhead, thank you?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: She was like, well his body like who can but.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: See, this is why we gotta hold our sisters accountable,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: because it's like, come on, girl, you you can't be
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: this fucking slow. Like I'm not I don't never judge anybody,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: but sometimes i'd be like, girl, yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: It's right now. I hear a lot of women that
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: be thinking just because the man got a big dick
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: that somehow that's supposed to mean something. It's like, it's
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: dick paying your bills. Is dick making you feel good? Right?
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: That come with all of these other problems, and you
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: might endow with some fevers, some apes, and some chills,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: so it's likely worth it. And I'm not saying that
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: no it's true because I ain't he making me so
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: mad or he's so cute, Like okay, you're gonna he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: so cute into an incurable STD Like numbers, women are
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: five times more likely to catch HIV if they're dealing
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: with men that are sleeping with men. There's seventy eight
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: percent more likely to have catch sti's if they do
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: with a man that'll sleep on men. So it's like
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: it's your number, your chances are gonna increase significantly hot.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So that's always felt them like this is not something
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: you kind of want to play with because see me
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: as a gay man, I know that these men don't
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: get tested because a lot of women will be a
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: man and they're never going to get tested together. Their
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: man is never getting tested. He's relying on her to
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: get tested to tell him if he got something. I
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: would a man like that. So that's why I be saying,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: like I think a lot of women be oblivious because
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: they're like, it can never be my man. And it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: like a lot of these men are like that, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: they think I just be being dramatic. It's like no,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: because even people always say I done had so many
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: male friends that were straight. I show me a straight
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: man at this point, and I try not to say
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: that out loud because I still have some male friends
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: that I am presuming or straight that haven't tried to
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: house it with me yet. But again, show me a
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: straight man, because I don't know man that are one
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: hundred percent straight. That's all. When people ask me like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: what you what is a straight man?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Tell us who you think is straight? I have to
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: think really hard. The only person that almost that has
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: me somewhere convinced this Terrence Howard. And I mean because
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: of what, you know, what happened recently when they were
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: trying to get him to play Marvin Gaye.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And how do you feel about that?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I saw, okay, boom, this goes back into the white people.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Instead of getting a gay man to play Marvin Gaye,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: since you know there's gonna be gay scenes, you want
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: to see the fantasy of a straight man, and they
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: want to break that straight man down because imagine if
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: he kissing a man at doing all of this on screen,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: what is that gonna do to his masculinity or even
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: though it's already probably fragile, it's gonna break you're And
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: they were just trying to do that because he they
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: know that he's straight. Like he said about his empire
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Rold that was really hit like how he felt. And
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at him be homophobic. I mean, I
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: don't know, like me, be what you want to be.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think those straight men are going to
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: be a little bit homophobic because I mean, I'm sure
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: they can't file them the gay shit. I wouldn't expect
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: them who they're not gay, So what it is like
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: it's ignorance. Ultimately, homophobia is just again some man, like
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: it's just ignorance, like they just don't understand that they
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: don't and they shouldn't they're not gay. But I feel like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: again it's always gonna be that those type of things
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: that happen, Like think about it every black man, especially
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that we hear about getting into the industry. Oh, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: had to put on the drift or I had to
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: do this, so I had to do that something that
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: would compromise their masculinity and that they didn't want to do.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Like even with will Smill Seven Degrees of Power, he
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: was gay at telling that that movie though, because a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: lot of people don't know that movie, so they don't
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: know when they when they be forced to do this
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: type of stuff and it really beat them though, because
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: we don't have to talk on bline because.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: This too is too I'm just saying, but do you
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: think he's gay?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Yes? Are you you? You are you? Are you?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Have you?
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's no ask asked me. I'm saying, like you
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: don't have you?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I don't keep up with him all the way, but
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: even from the like the stuff, because when I was
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: doing research on him, because you know, people asked me
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: to look into people, all of them videos he got
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: kissing his son in the mouth done. I was done
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: with it, Like all is too much, that movie, all
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: in the videos kissing his son in the mouth, all
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: of that stuff with August Austina became a little blurry on.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: If August I've seen it was.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: There, I wouldn't know you could. That's not because I
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: wasn't expecting August to be gay. That took me. That
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: was a wild card. Yeah, I mean I see now
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: looking back, but when we first was introduced to him,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: like I don't know, it's just I didn't.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: See it that he's in the industry. Think of like really.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the industry is gay.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, I want you to tell me somebody in the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: industry that you think is straight, and then we're gonna
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: see just just throw out a name that you think
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: of a straight man that you think is in the industry.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Have you I've done a video on him. If you're
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: going my YouTube that that's the last person I'm going
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: to think it straight. When you look into all of
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: this stuff, to all of these other men that that
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: football player man that he was living with his perversion,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: he literally feels all of the boxes out to be
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a deal man. And like I said, when you do
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: all of your research, I don't think he's straight at all.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Like I honestly think these type of men that have
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of status of power, he could have never
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: kept it without having the woman that everybody essentially wants.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Let's always say you're gonna have those women that are
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: gonna be great beards like and I'm sorry I keep
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: saying they like you couldn't have those people. But yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I think he essentially became a beard because if you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: really pay attention, it was before they were the same
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: age almost like underage. Like it's a lot of stuff
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: that get kind of Murky there he been around too
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: many people, him and Diddy. It's too many connections for me,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: as a person that has too much logic to think
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: that all of these things alies. Even if you look
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: at some of the old interviews Wendy Williams and all
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: of these other people from back in the day, they've
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: been saying some of this stuff. It's just nobody was
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: really listening. So when I started putting new facts and
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: old facts together, it all made sense.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: So who do you think is straight in the industry?
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Who do I think is straight in the industry? I
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: don't think nobody's straight because even I'm telling you they're
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: not going to Let's just talk about this every man
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: that you see in the industry, what is their ultimate
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: They're all chasing money, right mm hmm, Okay, who has
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: money and power? Who has the money in power? Though?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Who are they gonna have to go through? Because even
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: jay Z, we see that he's over the NFL. He's
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: pretty powerful. He can get people out of jail and everything.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: But what just happened to him, he got a little
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: bit humbled for a second. To let him know, like, Okay,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: you're not above the program m. That's what I say, like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: it's always gonna still be a white man at the top.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: No black man is gonna bang the Vanguard family. If
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: you look into it's five families that essentially operate all
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: of the wealth in the America, and if you look
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: at how the thirteen colonies perform from the Europeans and
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: all of that, those families then connect back to that,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: like it's country is the shit that will be able
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to get through. Let's always say like they're gonna have
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: to go through, and it's never gonna work because those
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: white men always they're going to make them do things
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: that they might not want to do.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: That's fucking crazy. That's what I believe it though, I
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: really do believe. I do believe because even when you
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: think of all these people who just can't pop out
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: of nowhere and they just like they it and I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: just like wow, Like I'm like, Ebane, you can't be
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: so hard on yourself because the game is rigged.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: It's rick, thank you, It's rig because you're unless you're
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: willing to essentially at this point in the game, unless
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: you're willing to be like because I can just tell
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: like you're a classy woman, you carry yourself, intelligence and grace.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: They don't like that. They want you to be showing
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: these other black women that you need to be shaking
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: your eyes and doing that bad so and tell you like,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: and I hate to say, but that's what they want
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the black community. They want women to feel like this.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I was like the amount of women that be at
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: baddies auditions and fighting and ship Now, I was like,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: they want that they got sixty grade and all of
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: these other people going to school. They want women to
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: think that, especially Black women. That's how y'all are. It
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: used to be a time where we would be arguing
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: about education. I still argue about stuff like that because
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I'm hardly educated. People are not caring about.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: That now at all.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: You get used to facts the same people for doing
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: certain shit, for not being women.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yes. So I had a moment and I share this
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: with my audience before where I had like experienced extreme
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: burned out. And I've been doing this for seven years
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, yo, Like, I feel like like
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: my show was fucking good. Like even you were telling
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: me like your show comes from a different perspective, You're
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: not afraid to talk about things like I feel like
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: like we I talk about a lot of different things
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: within our community. But you know, obviously I make it fun,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: put the medicine and candy. But I'm like, damn, like
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should be further ahead. But I'm like,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: it just feels like I need to be on a
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: handstand popping my fucking pussy and shaking my ass because
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I see other people and I know comparisons a thief
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: for joy and I'm not comparing myself to anybody, because
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I work really hard, but I'm just like, damn,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: like what do I gotta do to get to the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: next level? Like I feel like I should be having
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: all these opportunities, and I just like sometimes I get
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: break crumbs and I'm like, yo, it's not fair.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And that's and that's why I always tell people like
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I try to fight for women because patriarchy, whit like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: it's so many things that especially Black women are Here's
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: so many layers that you have to go through, and
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: like you said, you should be further and you've been
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: doing this so like I when I was watching your videos,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I was asking myself why you weren't further either, But
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I already do the answer, because if you just even
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: compared to the white woman that came out of nowhere
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: that I don't have to stay her name, what the
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: fuck is she doing? But guess what, she's more palasable
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: for media because, like I always tell people, if you
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: look at media, media controls culture and society, so they
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: want certain things. So by you being so classy and
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: essentially they only want one Tamern Hall. Mm, they want
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: one Tameron Hall. Like you see, Jennifer Hudson couldn't be tammering.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: She had to be Jenniferson act so Dixie on her
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: show that I don't like it because I mean, I
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: always be laughing, but I'm like, this is not Jennifer
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: huss Like they donned her down so much for that show.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: That's why I said, as well, because I'm like Jennifer,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: she got to be a little bit more quicker than
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: this like he is.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: We've heard her interviews. That's not Jenniferston, that's all. It's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: like literally, but she's working for a company, so you
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: know she gotta do what she gotta do right, right child.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: How you ever met a download man who regret the
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: way he was living his life?
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: A lot of them always say they regretted, Like I
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: think a lot of them feel shame at some point
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: or another. Why they disassociate from the actions because they
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: know that they know that's just wrong. They know. That's
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: why even all of the men that I've ever exposed, like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: they never be mad at me. They always say like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I understand because they know, like, did you put me
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: through a fucking lot? Yeah, not like that's not an
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: easy life. Just always say like, and for me to
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: will willingly being it's crazy. That's why I say, like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: women unwillingly being it and it take you to such
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: a low place in life. So that's always I thought, like, Okay,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I can help people avoid this because by me being
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: from a small town and dating after I turned eighteen,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: cause it's always tell people they always like, well, I
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: was messing with dollo men in high school, you were fast,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: you were grown. I didn't start dating until I got
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: to college. I need to, so it's like I started,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: and that's why people be like, you're too grown for this,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: and it's like, well, bitch, I've only been dating for
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: a few years technically, right right, So it's like I'm
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: still new to dating. So I had to figure shit
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: out and I saw somebody that was probably telling me
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm telling people in a real way and showing
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I probably would have just never even had to figure
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: out all of those things from DL man or you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: learn that. But I am glad that I had some
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: of those experiences because DO men are everywhere. Like when
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I was in college, the dean of students, I'm at
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: the dean of students getting told with a girl about
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: a DO man, and the deena students is a DL man,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: which worked in my favorite because he understood what was
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: going on because I was going against some sexual harassment.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I was up against some charges, like criminal charges because
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: this girl had thought I was sucking her man, but
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: really she was sucking my man, so then she it
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: was snowball effect. But luckily and I didn't want to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: expose the dude. But of course once police get involved,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: that you're coming out of the ploset.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm not going down for you niggas.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: That's what we're gonna draw the line. So that's when
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I started telling the truth and I'm like, do I
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: need to get the receipts? But he was the ill
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: so he understood why I hadn't, you know, told the
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: girl the truth and how this situation got where it
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: got because I would never tell the girl the truths,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: like we had had to sit down. I essentially just
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: told her I didn't know her man. He wasn't her man,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: like he was her old man man. So it's like
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: he technically was your man, but he's not your man
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: of war. So I didn't think I really owe her that,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: even though in reality, I'm like, had I just went
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: ahead and told her the truth, it probably would have
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: made the situation better. But then even when she found
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: out the truth, she told all of these other people.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: So that's not cool.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was like, sometimes anytime I've ever been
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: with a d O man and I found out he
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: had a woman, I always go to the woman. But
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: there has yet to be a woman that was resceptive
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: and that didn't turn it into drama trying to fight
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: or you know, trying to beef about a man that,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: like I always tell women, if he wants me you,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: there's no competition, just like if you want you, I
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: don't see no competition. Like they can't be a woman
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: who's like ping us against each other, because they'll do
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: that with two women too. They don't care. They just
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: don't want them to be in the wrong. They want
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: to take all of the attention off them. And how
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: people arguing and beefing because that makes them feel good.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how many men would you said that you've been
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: with have been a download?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Oh and let me clarify something. When I say date,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: that does not mean fuck. People can't And I gotta
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: say that because a lot of people want to hear
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: that you dated a lot of men. They think so
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: because I did used to be a sugar baby, So
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I am gonna includ sugar add at least like two
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: hundred like on dates personal still have phone numbers. Some
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: some of them are in the industry. That's why I say,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: like in Atlanta, I wasn't playing because if some things
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: people don't catch on my page. But I had this
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: video a woman got on crip like her ex husband
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: was like first sugar added when I got there and
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, getting into college and shit. So
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: that's always say like there's so many people that you
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: just would never expect.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Wow, you about to have me Like these cookies are
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: for good baby.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, but Atlanta is a hot spot for guess
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but I do agree like women because
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: a lot of these men, especially now that there's trans
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: women too, they're gonna play semantics with that. Now, you
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: ax man, you ever been with men? No, because he's
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: he technically is gonna say no because he's only into
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: transforming or he's only dealing with trans women.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, are you ever afraid? Like because of the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: work that you're doing, I mean, cause you're popping, you
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: got a large following, you know that people feel comfortable
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: they don't like Yeah, so like you know, and then
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: you're you're cute, you're young, you know, you're building a
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: life for yourself. So are you ever afraid for your safety?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess because I mean somebody already tried to
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  Speaker 3: take my life. But and in general, I will say this,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: any nigga that's ever tried me that got his ass
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: to be the only the only way. And niggas notice,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: because I'm not no little nigga. I'm six four, very like,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I'll beat the fuck out of you. So the only
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: way they're gonna if a nigga shoot me. But even
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: when they come to shooting, and they can't even shoot,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: like I didn't have to pull out a gun. So
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: like that's always feel like people don't realize that if
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: you think I'm gonna lay down and let you do
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: something to me, you're crazy. And I typically live in
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: gated communities like my my home, they can't, so you know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: I like, I always tell people you're gonna do something
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: at the effort, and you're gonna do something. You won't
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: catch me in the club. You're not gonna catch me
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: at too many spaces that you know. I just you know.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, I really don't be worried. And if
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: somebody does something to me behind this information, then that
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: might have just been my destiny. That's talking about it.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like if because I'm spiritual, so
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I've been protected all of this time,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: all of this while throughout my whole life, because a
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: lot of shit has happened to me in my life,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: like the d L shit go all the way back
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: to childhood. So I feel like if I've been protected
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  Speaker 3: this long, it's for reason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, listen, I told you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's why I And that's how I be
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: feeling like I'm doing because I'm happy about it too.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Like I like helping people. I like educating people, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like, tell, this topic is so important because a
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: lot of people either a don't know much and women
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: don't be suspecting it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: People always like, well, you think every man is del
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: or not. I'm sorry to cut you off, but I
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: just want I don't think every man is the ill.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: But when people have to realize a lot of these
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: men are terrible people. That's why I was like, my process,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: even if your man is not DL by everything that
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I tell you, if he does all of the shit
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: that I say, he's the horrible person. So he's at
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: quite easily old man. So you shouldn't be with him
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: regardless because if he's acting like them, you probably don't. Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: No, that's a fact. That's a fact. So let's talk
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: about some behavioral patterns and personality traits. What are some
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: personality traits that you observe and download men?
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, so first narcissism, which again let me let me clarify,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: because I mean a lot of men are narcissistic. So,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: like I always tell women, every DL man is a narcissist,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: but not all narcissists men are deal because to me,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of men that are narcissistic.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: But right after that they have to be misogynistic. And
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: like I always tell, women gave me misogyny. Even some
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: women have internalizes, so you know misogyny. You know when
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: you can tell when a man hates women, he's gonna
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: always put them down. He's never gonna have anything good
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: to say, he's gonna make hate these generalizations women don't
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: want nothing but money from men, or all women ain't shit,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: or you know those type of men. And then impulsivity.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Those are the top three because the impulses, that's what
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: getting them in trouble. A lot of d O men
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: they'll not act on their impulses for time periods, but
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: they always have that time where they slip and I
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: got to go either sleep with a man or a
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: trans woman, or you're at a bowpouse, or you're doing
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: something solatious and it might be eight months before you
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: do something else. But those imposts always come back, and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: they can't control, like control his imposts because being impostive,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: that gets literally that the word in itself, like the
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: definition of impostive. So you know that's the big problem
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: because they're so indecisive. And again when they want something
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: and men usually are just sexual preachers. So I always
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: say men pick all of their friends everything. Most men
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: do everything based off of attraction. So you got to
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: put them in the right circumstances and they'll go yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And when it comes to the behavioral patterns, I thought
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: you you was on point with us, because I agree
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: anger is a reflection of self hate. If a nigga's
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: always fucking angry something they right, right, or he want.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That princess treatment, or he's angry because you're not treating
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: him like or you know, because I always say, like,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: no straight man is going to sit around and want
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: a woman to take care of him. No, No, he's
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: not going to be mad that you won't send him
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: money for lunch and surprised. Right, So let's always say
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: like some of these personalities like that should be obvious.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: But the narcissists, the impulsivity, and the misogyny, because when
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: you put all of those things together again, and that
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: helps make a dyl man. Because if you hate women,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: you can't control your imposts and you think that the
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: world falls around you and that you're invincible. What is
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: gonna hold you back from doing whatever you want?
• 51:12
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• 51:17
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