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Professional MUA & Creator, Jaleesa Jaikaran -E.431 · Skin Anarchy

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SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited about this interview, but first, I gotta give you some tea.
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SPEAKER_01: So basically, um I am working on something very, very special.
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SPEAKER_01: You guys already know Eugen Volume 1 has been a giant success, huge hit um in terms of just how many uh people have downloaded, how many people have gone to EugenMags.com.
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SPEAKER_01: What do the people want to hear?
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SPEAKER_01: Now, with all of that rant, um, you know, my real message here is if you are somebody, even if you're not a brand or a person who wants to be a guest on the show, please, you know, reach out, let us know if you want to help support our show.
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SPEAKER_01: I would love to hear from all of you, and I am now going to let you get to makeup Monday.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi guys, welcome back to Skin Care Anarchy.
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SPEAKER_01: This is your name Ekta, and I am so so excited about our guest today.
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SPEAKER_01: I am a huge fan of hers, and I literally watch every single one of her videos on TikTok, as she knows, and I comment on them.
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SPEAKER_01: So um, without further ado, I'm very excited to introduce you guys to Jalisa Jaikran, who's a professional makeup artist.
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SPEAKER_01: She is um very talented in what she does.
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SPEAKER_01: So welcome to the show, Jalisa.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited and honored to host you.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for having me.
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SPEAKER_02: I am so excited, guys.
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SPEAKER_02: We tried so long to make this happen.
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SPEAKER_02: So I am so excited to be having this conversation with you.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm really excited.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having me.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh no, it is such an honor.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes, we did.
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SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
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SPEAKER_01: I was we were just joking before the episode started, everyone, about how this is the 15th time is the charm.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'm glad that we're here.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, Julissa, you know, as I said, I'm a huge fan of your work, but I really want to learn all about you because um, you know, uh I myself have also spent time, you know, in the Caribbean and I love Caribbean culture.
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SPEAKER_01: And I know you're from Trinidad originally, and I would love to hear about you just, you know, you growing up and makeup and how it was part of your life, if you can kind of walk us down memory lane.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: So I'll give you a quick introduction first.
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SPEAKER_02: Um hi everyone, I am Julisa Jaikran.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm a pro makeup artist and content creator.
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SPEAKER_02: I am now based in New York, which is so crazy because I'm making 10 years this year, but I do have Trinidadian roots.
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SPEAKER_02: I work um behind the camera on beauty and fashion campaigns and celebrity talent.
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SPEAKER_02: And then in the front in front of the camera, I create content driven by beauty education.
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SPEAKER_02: And on my off days, I actually have a podcast called The Life of a Makeup Artist, where I centered defining and rising voices in beauty, uh, not only about breaking into the industry, but why it's crucial to create a future that's inclusive.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think it's just so important as a Caribbean woman to share those stories of the people that I meet along the way.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, growing up in Trinidad, I mean, honestly, I really didn't.
7:00
SPEAKER_02: The only beauty I was exposed to was my grandmother's eyeshadow palette that I used to get in trouble for using.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, because my grandmother, my aunts raised me.
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SPEAKER_02: My mom actually lived in the US my entire life.
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SPEAKER_02: So I would be in New York um and Connecticut, um, and you know, Canada and Atlanta on every summer and every winter.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I just naturally had a liking to beauty.
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SPEAKER_02: So I would get in trouble for putting on eyeshadow.
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SPEAKER_02: Because in, you know, in the Caribbean, you have to wear a uniform, you can't wear makeup, you can't, you know, so I would always be getting in trouble for those things, but I didn't mind because I I just wanted to have fun with it.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and eventually, like, you know, I always had an uh inkling and liking to marketing and advertising.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: So I was going to school while working, um, distance learning.
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SPEAKER_02: You know how the Caribbean is, it was a UK-based school, and I was studying at the time.
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SPEAKER_02: And my friend, who knew I loved makeup, sent me um uh this is oh my god, I'm aging myself, but it was a an um an ad in the newspaper that Matt Cosmetics was looking for people, new artists to work at their store, which was closer to where I was, um where I lived at the time.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: And um, I signed up for it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm kind of making a long story very short, but I signed up for it.
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SPEAKER_02: I was already kind of doing makeup classes and stuff, but I signed up for it, heard back the next day, and kind of the rest is history.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: I started working for Mac for like a year and a half, and then I transferred to New York, working at JFK for some time, assisting other makeup artists, and yeah, started doing my own thing.
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SPEAKER_02: But there was never really um any really established schools, like accredited schools in Trinidad.
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SPEAKER_02: So I kind of was just bopping around trying to find my way.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I even like I didn't have any money, so I signed up to be a model in different classes.
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SPEAKER_02: So yeah, um, I mean, I I I know you're you have more questions, but that's just the the dri the gist of my story and how I got started.
8:51
SPEAKER_02: It was just really just a liking to make up.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't really think, you know, back in 2010, 2011, is I didn't have a uh uh a the foresight to be like, yeah, I'm gonna be a makeup artist one day because I didn't see anyone around me doing that.
9:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I mean it's a it's a really hard journey from what I've heard from like, you know, other guests I've hosted.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, I love what you said though, that you know, you you feel it to be so important because of you know being a black woman, being from the Caribbean, to share that journey.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it I completely agree with you.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's very difficult, I think, for women of color in general, but especially when you're coming um from a different angle, you know, it's like people are very like stuck in their ways.
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SPEAKER_01: And and that's why I asked you about, you know, how makeup was a part of your life growing up, because I can definitely relate to what you said, which is, you know, it's I would used to also get slapped on the wrist for putting on, you know, blush or lipstick or whatever, but it was just, you know, I think as women of color, we have this commonality, you know, in that we're not really allowed to wear makeup growing up.
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SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, it's when you do experiment with it, it's just a huge like kind of opening into this whole world.
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SPEAKER_01: So I mean, I I'm just so excited to be hosting you and and to be learning from you.
10:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, one of my biggest questions for you, Jalisa, is you know, when you were working at Mac, like, um, what was like, did you know like from the beginning that you wanted to go in this like pro direction?
10:14
SPEAKER_01: Like what was your like what was your drive is really what I'm asking you.
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SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: Like it from the the beginning.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I love that question because I I wanted, I didn't know what I was signing up for.
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SPEAKER_02: I just knew that I loved makeup and this position became available.
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SPEAKER_02: But I remember having a very like big insecurity because I had um eczema and I have like very I had at that time it was worse, but I have darkness around my mouth, hyperpigmentation.
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SPEAKER_02: And I remember the first time that I actually even got into makeup was I didn't realize that I could put makeup around my mouth and cover it.
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SPEAKER_02: And then now I'm like embracing my features.
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SPEAKER_02: I have very like, you know, full lips.
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SPEAKER_02: And then when I would have clients that would come into the store, they would be like, Oh, I can't wear red and I can't wear this and I can't wear that.
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SPEAKER_02: And to me, that was a driving factor because I was like, wait, who told who told you that?
11:04
SPEAKER_02: Who said that?
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SPEAKER_02: So I was just like, okay, well, you know, just that that interaction daily with people just to make them feel just a little bit a little ounce more beautiful, like that was my drive.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't necessarily think, like, oh, I'm gonna be a great educator, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that.
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SPEAKER_02: I was just like, oh, if these people can leave feeling even more beautiful after like, you know, leaving my chair, or if I can give them a quick tip that they could do something at home and you know, kind of like handle it on their own and feel good and look good, then my job is done.
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SPEAKER_02: So I think that's kind of where my like excitement came, came.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, sorry, that's where my excitement rose because I was like, oh, I'm actually kind of good at this.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't realize I was good at it naturally.
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SPEAKER_02: And then just like meeting people was always like a really I I love meeting people, and I think that that also being part of this industry is is a very like exciting part for me because you know, if you work in an office, you see the same people every day, but just meeting different people, being, you know, different skin tones, just learning different things is exciting to me.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, you know, and that makes sense because also, you know, I love what you said about making people feel good because that is such a crucial part of like the whole beauty industry, right?
12:17
SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean, obviously, like we're talking here from the like your perspective of like a professional makeup artist, but like even for me, just as a consumer, is like when your makeup looks good or like you know, your skin looks good or something, like you walk away feeling so good, you know, and you it's like a whole it's like you can take on the world all of a sudden.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the real feeling.
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SPEAKER_01: And to bring that into people's lives, I mean, that's truly, I mean, for lack of a better term, like a true art form, you know.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: So I really salute you for that and for having that as your driving force because there's so many makeup artists.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: Like I remember Julie said, like being younger and going to like a Mac store.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: And I wish I would have like run into someone like you because there were so many, like, I mean, no, no shade to anybody, okay, but like there were a lot of Caucasian people working there, and I would always run into them and like they'd try to do my makeup and it was just like not looking right.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_01: It was just like not working.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I had so many of those, you know, and I'm 36, so it was a different time and we were still learning at the, I think, at that point about, you know, shade matching and all this stuff, right?
13:23
SPEAKER_01: But it was still this experience that I thought I would have, but I would never end up having, even though I thought I was going to like the most professional place, you know, to get my makeup done.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, but then I also saw Mac evolve, you know, over the years where it was like, okay, now they really did hire the, you know, the best of the best and they had amazing people in there.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: So I also like, you know, when I was an adult, went in there, tried it again, and it worked.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's like this evolution happened very quickly, is my point, you know, of like going from almost no options for women of color to like a ton, right?
13:58
SPEAKER_01: So it's like, I want to ask you, like, how's your perspective on that?
14:01
SPEAKER_01: Like, I know like with Rihanna bringing those 50 shades out for us, that was huge, revolutionary, you know.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: But like now, when you look at it, like, do you still struggle with like doing certain makeup, or do you think that we're at a good place now with that kind of stuff?
14:15
SPEAKER_02: I would say that we are at a really good place, but uh not every brand is at a very good place.
14:22
SPEAKER_02: You know, what Rihanna did was, you know, groundbreaking, the fancy effect.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, we can't deny the effect that Rihanna had on the industry because I I you know, I'm a makeup artist.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: I worked at Mac.
14:32
SPEAKER_02: So I know that Mac always had shades for deeper skin, but Rihanna took it to another level.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
14:38
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, some people didn't want to.
14:40
SPEAKER_02: They there was a point in time where some people didn't want to use Mac, or they were like, oh, this this is too much for my whatever.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: Like they always had like an excuse.
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SPEAKER_02: But I think, you know, obviously, like Rihanna being Rihanna and the way that she marketed it, the way that she like really had the foundations and not just the foundations only, but she continued to do it.
15:00
SPEAKER_02: You see it with powders, you see it with bronzers, because sometimes a brand will be like, oh, well, we have exclusive shades, or we have like very inclusive shades, but then it's like, oh, but you only have like a couple extra foundations.
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SPEAKER_02: What about the powders?
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SPEAKER_02: What about the bronzers?
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SPEAKER_02: So I think what Rihanna does and what she continues to do is to set the standard, which unfortunately some brands have not been able to um replicate or and I don't even think it's a replication because some of those brands have been existing way before um Fenty and Rihanna.
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SPEAKER_02: So I think that we're in a good place because if the brand doesn't have a shade, then I'm just not gonna use the brand.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
15:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna use what's available.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I don't expect, especially when it comes to smaller brands.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I have quite a few friends that are brand founders, and I understand how expensive, especially complexion, is to develop.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: But for me, I'm like, if I were if I if that was my position, I would obviously like make sure that I have a full range that still is light to the darkest, and then fill in in between, as opposed to doing like light to like medium, darkish, and then coming out with very dark, deep shades um a couple years later.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: But that's just my perspective.
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SPEAKER_02: I do think that the industry that, you know, in terms of other things, can do better.
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SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to the actual like shade range, I do think we're in a good place.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: Like I can get I can get several shades of color correctors, concealers.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: Like my I have a very full-range foundation kit, um, not foundation kit, but a full range makeup kit that I work from.
16:25
SPEAKER_02: And I don't have any issues finding any shades with anything, to be honest.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I it's so so heartwarming to know that that is where we're at now because I I agree with you.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can definitely find my shades now, you know.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: Growing up, it was like four, three or four, right?
16:41
SPEAKER_01: It's like going to the drugstore and and hoping that they had like I would always buy like a really dark shade and then try to mix in with the lighter ones.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: And it was like, you know, in a way, it was kind of I don't know, I I kind of liked it, you know, in a way, because it was you could really shade match to the perfection like color.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, um I I agree with you.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that Rihanna, what she did was just groundbreaking and it still is.
17:04
SPEAKER_01: And you know, that's really uh one of my big questions for you is as a Caribbean woman and as a Caribbean black woman, like what is like because she's also from the Caribbean, right?
17:13
SPEAKER_01: And I always noticed that like the trends and the trend setting is like off the charts with women that come from that area of the world.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Like you guys are just like beautiful, confident, you know what you you know, you know what you're doing, you know what you want.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: And I would love for you to get like I would love for you to give us that perspective of like, you know, when you um went into this world, like what was your approach in the sense of like from where you're from and keeping like your roots grounded, you know what I mean?
17:41
SPEAKER_01: If that makes any sense.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it does.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: And I really love that question, you know.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: Like I want to take it back to just when I was working at Mac, I you know, I had to work on a lot of Indian skin tones.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: So that's where I got my my it was that was boot camp for me.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: Like I had to learn skin tones.
17:58
SPEAKER_02: And I think that when I worked at the airport and I was exposed to so many different like types of people, like I had, you know, my Korean flights, Nigerian flights, like all these different types of people that, you know, they're in a hurry.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like the confidence obviously comes with skill, right?
18:14
SPEAKER_02: If I know what I'm doing, I know that I can speak to it with confidence, but then when it comes to just me and how I approach things, like I always think about where I come from.
18:24
SPEAKER_02: The village that I came from in Trinidad is St.
18:26
SPEAKER_02: Madeline.
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SPEAKER_02: I have so many people rooting for me.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: I know if my grandmother was so proud of me.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: But I think that, you know, we obviously want to see sometimes, like like you said, when you go, you when you went into a store when you were younger and you couldn't find, like, you know, different makeup artists and you couldn't find help.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: If you would have find someone that maybe looked like you or sounded like you, you would have felt a little bit more comfortable and a little bit more confident.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: And I think as I take myself, you know, through different parts of my career, I that's what I want people to see.
18:54
SPEAKER_02: They want somebody that looks like them and even sounds like them, right?
18:57
SPEAKER_02: Because you don't hear a lot of people that sound like me, a Trinidadian woman in the industry and in the US and and representing.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: So I really like always remember that because you know, you come to New York, you live here for 10 years, and your accent kind of like, and my accent, I'm I mean, I know that I it's not really all about my accent, but I always want to make sure people like I'm representing my home, you know.
19:18
SPEAKER_02: You might sound a lot Americans sometimes.
19:20
SPEAKER_02: I've been here for 10 years, but at the end of the day, like I remember where I come from and I remember like the people that are home might not have access to the things that you know that I talk about sometimes.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, this is where like I try to always make sure that people that don't have the same access in the US, like I'm thinking about them too, because that I was once in that that position.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to know how to do things, how to access information.
19:43
SPEAKER_02: And obviously the landscape has changed and there's more available, um more accessibility.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: But I always want to make sure that I'm I'm thinking about the the girl that that was you know in Trinidad 10 years ago.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: And by the way, I love your accent.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: It like you know, it's always for me.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: I mean, maybe because I I spent some time in the Caribbean, but I always just tell my friends who were from Trinidad, like, you know, you just remind me of like for some reason there's this like connection there with like Indian people and like people from Trinidad because there are so many Indian people in Trinidad, you know what I mean?
20:16
SPEAKER_01: Like oh sorry, go ahead.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: No, go ahead.
20:20
SPEAKER_02: No, I was just gonna say my um my grandmother was Indian, so Jaikaran is an Indian last name, and my mom just went to um my went my mom went to India and I know they changed the name now, but Calcutta, like she wants us to go and like try to find our ancestors, so I'm like kind of excited about it, but that's a whole other conversation.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: But yes, it's it's you know, the Caribbean is very everybody's mixed up, mixed up.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: Everyone, yeah.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: And I love that because you know what, that's what it is, is like it gives you that it and the reason I said what I said was because it does give you that sense of like, oh my gosh, like I feel like you get me, you know what I mean?
20:54
SPEAKER_01: And even if it is something as small as like, you know, recognizing someone's accent or like what you said, you know, just recognizing someone in some way, shape, or form, you know, that brings more comfort, I think, than we we ever acknowledge.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: And I and that's a part of beauty that I think is not very talked about, you know.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Like we we talk a lot about things like kind of what I opened up with with the shades and the different matching and stuff, but this level of comfort and this feeling of belonging is like such a deeper conversation, I feel like rather than just you know colors and and all that, like that's something that I think um, you know, we really do need to touch upon more um overall as an industry.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: I mean, what do you think about that?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: No, I absolutely agree.
21:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, because you know, Black History Month just passed, and there's so many other things, you know, that happens where it's like, yes, I am obviously I am a Black woman, but throughout the year, throughout any to any month, anytime, like I always want people to like this is where I came from.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: I always have my flag in my bio in any social platform so you can know that I'm always representing where I'm from because I Don't know who's looking at me and who mightn't even know me at all and just looking from afar that might be inspired.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: So I think it's important.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't just be like where you're actually from, but like who you are, the values that you hold.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: Like it should really be able to, it should permeate in everything that you do.
22:14
SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Because you just exactly inspiring.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: No, exactly.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: I love you know how you articulated that because it's true.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: And you know, um, and also like I am very curious, like, you know, I have so many questions in the sense of like where are like what are your favorite like beauty products and like like your opinion of like what is good beauty?
22:36
SPEAKER_01: You know, I really want to like get an idea of that.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: If you could like kind of walk us down that.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
22:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I use so many different products, right?
22:45
SPEAKER_02: But I do think a good beauty product is one that just works, it delivers on its promises, it's safe, it's easy to use.
22:52
SPEAKER_02: So, like one thing that I always say that you know, price and quality is not mutually mutually exclusive.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Like something being a higher price doesn't equate it to being a quality product.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: I won't necessarily get into like ingredients and things like that, but drugstore items, whether it's considered a dupe or not, like you know, it could be a it could be a product that might be better than something you might find at Nordstrom or Sephora, whereas like sometimes obviously, like something you find at a at a you know department store is would be better.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: So I really just feel like a good beauty product, it just works, it doesn't need any crazy, I mean, endorsements and having celeb faces and all of that is perfectly fine, but I always think of brands like Dermalogica, right?
23:34
SPEAKER_02: I think in Dermalogica's products, they have amazing products.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: They their packaging is white, they have no fancy anything, and it works, and people love it.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: You know, they don't have any crazy campaigns, like I just love that brand.
23:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, and there's a lot of different brands that I I love and use, and I guess we'll talk about that later, but yeah, it's just a it's just products that works.
23:56
SPEAKER_02: It doesn't need any other explanation or like fighting you to believe it.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: It's it just works.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the product speaks for itself.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: I totally hear you.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's I think that's such a and that's such a like real answer and like candid answer.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: So I I love that you said it like that because there's so many people that are gonna be like, Well, I wanted to have like you know, this ingredient and that, and it's just like no bro, like why if you don't need it, why would you like it?
24:20
SPEAKER_01: Does it work though?
24:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like all these things, but does it work, you know?
24:25
SPEAKER_01: And especially like I feel like for me, especially with brands, like I relate so much to what you said because uh, you know, again, as uh as women of color, like things either work or they don't, you know, and the shit that does not work, I don't want it.
24:38
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
24:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't need it, I don't want it, I don't want to support that brand.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: You know why?
24:42
SPEAKER_01: Because you haven't done your homework and you haven't like tapped into the markets that are actually or the people that are buying your products.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: So if a brand works, I mean, I think that by itself is also an indication of how inclusive are you, right?
24:56
SPEAKER_01: Because if you're if you've done your homework as a brand and if you've really tapped into your mark, like populations that are buying the actual products, you'll know, you know, the demographic that's buying.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: You'll know about our skin concerns or whatever it might be, and you're gonna do that homework.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: So I think it really goes hand in hand, you know, with that is like a product working is just it's something that is up to that brand.
25:17
SPEAKER_01: And and we are as consumers, like we have the right to say, I mean, if it works, I'm behind you.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: If it doesn't, sorry, bro.
25:24
SPEAKER_01: There's 15 other options, you know, that I can choose from.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: So I hear you, you know.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I actually, you know, I am gonna ask you about your favorite product.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: You know that, right?
25:35
SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, obviously, like the makeup world is how long do we have for this podcast?
25:40
SPEAKER_02: This might be three hours.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, okay, I don't how I have so many.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: I've been loving quite a few things lately.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, I probably maybe I'll give you five, five, yeah, that's fine.
25:53
SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: It's it's I it's way more than five, but I'll I'll condense it.
25:56
SPEAKER_02: So this one, it's it's not a new product or anything.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: A more Pacific has um uh moisturizer so rich cream.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know if you've uh have you ever used any of their skincare before?
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Amor Pacific?
26:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I I interviewed them very early on.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: They're amazing.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: I love everything by there.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love their time response.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: It's a little pricey, but the time response, um, their skin reserve intensive cream.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: Really, really love that.
26:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's just very emollient.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, it feels great on my skin.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Anytime I feel a little bit dull, I use that.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, also, I love Beauty Stat.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: I know uh we've both spoken to Ron.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: He's so amazing, but his universal um microbiome uh cleanser, it's so amazing.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, I really love emollient cleanser, I love something that um is very creamy.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: Um that one is really good.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: It has antibacterial and antiviral properties, and I really believe in beautystat because you know, obviously, people listen to the podcast.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Ron has so much experience with you know his years as a cosmetic chemist.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: So, like I trust in anything that Beautystat does.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: And then I this one I've only been using for like a week or so, but I do have the Rode Peptide Lip Balm.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: Um and I really like it.
27:11
SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh, this is nice.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm very picky with my lip balms.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: I've tried and thrown away tons of them.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: So um that and I do love um La Roche Posey.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, I am an eczema girly, so I have um sometimes my skin can tend to act up.
27:29
SPEAKER_02: So the the AP line is so good.
27:32
SPEAKER_02: The you know the moisturizer that you can use on your face and your body in the big um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: I know I use the cleanser as well.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, I really love that.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: And then I would um another, I would say maybe another body product.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, this one is just something that I like because it smells really good.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: But floor, um, they have fragrances, they have a missed in person um shower gel that I really love because it just makes me feel like you know, I use my LaRage and I use use those all these things that are fragrance free.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: And then sometimes I just want to have like a bit of a moment in the shower.
28:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I really like their um their shower gel, it's really nice.
28:06
SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: I love that you told us about uh body products because I'm always like screaming from the rooftops about how we need to expand on body care, like we really, really need more options in body care.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely and also I agree with you about beauty stat and Ron.
28:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, huge shout out to Ron.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: We love you, we both love you.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love everything he does, and honestly, like with Rode too, you know, he's really shown his like light in that brand as well.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: And I I have yet to try Rode Beauty, actually, you know, so I'm very yeah, I have I haven't checked it out yet, but I'm going to for sure because I support him so much as well.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: And I think that, you know, again, you know, he's coming from this perspective of not only like is he just a guru in terms of chemistry, but he's also like like I remember when I interviewed him, he was very about like I want he wanted to make something that was makeup friendly.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Like that's specifically, like he like he was talking about that, and I absolutely love that he did that because like the under-eye cream and like you know, everything is just so makeup friendly.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: And that's really one of the questions I do have for you is that when you're you know, like for example, like I know we all have our routines, right?
29:13
SPEAKER_01: Like at night, like we can put whatever we want on our face, but then when you're actually doing makeup and you're working with your clients, I mean, are there skincare products that you really like to utilize in your um your artistry?
29:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you could tell us about that.
29:27
SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, oh my gosh.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, the thing is, right, it really depends on what I'm doing.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: If it's a photo shoot, if it's a client on a red carpet, if it's uh client on TV, like it really depends.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: I have a very, very large skincare um kit in my like in my pro makeup artist kit because I have to be prepared for every single situation.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: So it really depends.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: Like if I'm on set for a photo shoot, I will I will not use any primer, any kind of spray, anything like that because I'm not concerned about the makeup lasting.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: But some of the products that I do carry and that I love, I use a Charlotte Tilbury Magic Cream.
30:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, I use the Lancome Genifique.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, I use primers um and products from Milk Makeup.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: I love the Poori Clips.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, I use um I even use primers for NYX, by the way, the Shine Killer.
30:21
SPEAKER_02: Really love that one as well.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: Um quite a few different lip balms, everything from Anastasia to Laneige to uh Lush Lip Service, which is one of my favorites.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: Um and oh my gosh.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and I actually really love Beekman 1802.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: I am obsessed with Beekman 1800.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, yes, complete.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: This is like, I know it's so much products that I love that I just can't even like think off the top of my head.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: But I do love the fact that because I've although I'm not gluten-free with my products, I did go glue, I've been gluten-free and dairy-free for like a while now.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: So sometimes I'm like, okay, let me see what products is out there.
31:00
SPEAKER_02: And their products always make my skin feel amazing.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: They have the um the vitamin C.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: I really love um the moisturizer, the bloom cream.
31:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, I love their eye serum, it's very lightweight, it's really, really good.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, oh my god.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: And um, I also love Peter Peter Peter Thomas Roth.
31:20
SPEAKER_02: They have a new primer.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, the Ferm X.
31:23
SPEAKER_02: I remember I don't know if you remember that viral moment with the eye with the lady.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
31:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:27
SPEAKER_02: They have a primer for the face now.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: So all of those things, it's like, okay, who am I dealing with?
31:32
SPEAKER_02: What type of client was their skin like?
31:34
SPEAKER_02: So that's it's and it's exciting to me because I get to try more products, but not on myself, you know.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I can't try all the products on my face because I don't want to mess up my my my skin barrier.
31:46
SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, those are just some of the things that I could think of um at the top of my head.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: And I've on, you know, when it comes to, I guess this is more makeup, but when it comes to like sprays and stuff, I love my Cordelie.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: I love uh Laura Mercier, not Laura Mercy, um uh Charlotte Tilbury for setting and one size for setting as well.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: Love that.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: I love that also.
32:06
SPEAKER_01: Yes, Beekman Um 1802, love love that brand, like literally obsessed as well.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: So I hear you.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Like I love like to the power of goat, right?
32:19
SPEAKER_01: Like goats are just amazing.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: Like them goat milk is like one of my hero ingredients, I feel like in skincare at this point.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: Like it's just like everything by that's made with some sort of goat milk in it works really, really well.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: And Beakman is just phenomenal.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: I would love for you to do like a collab with them.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: I would like be here for that.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: That would be amazing.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: But it's well, we'll see, we'll see.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and then just to, I mean, I feel like I need to say this, but the uh SPFs that I really have been, I mean, I've this I've used these for a while, but the industry, the daily uh UV, it's it's so inexpensive.
32:55
SPEAKER_02: It's$15.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: It works, it looks great on their makeup.
32:58
SPEAKER_02: And I've also been using the Shishado stick for a while now.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, the SPF stick.
33:03
SPEAKER_02: Have you tried that one?
33:04
SPEAKER_02: It was like it's been it was viral on TikTok, and I you couldn't you couldn't get it anywhere, but now um I actually um I actually found it a while ago.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: It's the Synchro Shield.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, and it comes in a stick and it's for face and body, and it's um it's yeah, it's in a blue and a yellow thing.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: I'll send you, I'll send it to you so you can check it out.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yeah, I need to check it out because I I always struggle with sunscreen and SPF when it comes to makeup because it's hard, you know.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: And also like with SPF, it's like either it's too sticky or it's not working for me with makeup or you know, whatever the case might be.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: But I have my skin is very finicky too, though.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: So um, but that's so cool.
33:43
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
33:43
SPEAKER_01: I love those products.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I always ask, you know, from the artistry perspective because I think that, you know, we're really embarking on this like new like wave now, right?
33:52
SPEAKER_01: Of like makeup brands saying we're skincare infused and all this.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, I'm one of those, maybe, you know, call me a traditionalist, uh, sorry, traditionalist, if I could speak.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'd like my skincare and my makeup to be separate and I because I think that there's a purpose and I've just found it to be easier.
34:09
SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, I I want to ask you though, like for people, especially with us coming up on spring and summer months.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is a very relevant topic um for that this time frame, right?
34:20
SPEAKER_01: And I want to get your advice on if we want to do our makeup like, you know, just an everyday kind of glam.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, what are like some tips you have with like incorporating the right kind of sun protection and stuff for especially for women of color?
34:35
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I mean, any season.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, when it comes to spring though, I think it's a good time to maybe switch out to like a lighter, a lighter weight moisturizer.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, and obviously lightweight um SPF as well.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: I know a lot of people love this super goop because it kind of feels like a primer and it kind of works like a primer a little bit because the makeup glides on so smoothly and because of the texture and the obviously the formula, it's kind of silicone y.
35:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I will say I yeah, that's once your skincare is on point, I feel like for spring you could do anything else.
35:09
SPEAKER_02: Like you can start doing like colored liner, you could do like you know, some colored, even mascara.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: I love cream blush, um, say beauty, danessa myrix, um, a lot of different brands and rare beauty, of course, everybody loves rare, but anything that like makes the skin look very dewy and light, I think is a good time to transition into kind of just playing with more color, but just making sure that your um your skin prep is on point because it doesn't matter.
35:38
SPEAKER_02: I feel like once you have your skin down, you could add you could do whatever else.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: Like so if you find that, oh, maybe I need more coverage, so the dewy light fresh coverage isn't for me.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: I think you can still achieve that by just doing like a lightweight, um, like a skin tint, then using a full coverage concealer only where you need it, and then using a setting spray in between layers so that way you don't get that longevity, you do get that still fresh face without feeling like, okay, oh my god, it's getting hotter, it's all of these things, and I have this full face of makeup on.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Or even if you're lazy, I would do you know, your skin prep, make sure your skin is nice and like hydrated and emollient, then going in with um just concealer and then like a powder foundation, maybe like the new Maybelline Super Stick, um, and you have a light fresh because you don't want to feel when you know you're going outside and you start sweating more and all these things, you don't want to feel like you have on too much makeup.
36:31
SPEAKER_02: So that's a good way to circumvent, you know, um, you know, feel like you have too much on, but still being able to like play around with like different makeup and not feel like you're wearing too much.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's solid advice.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: I love that you said the um the setting spray in the in between because I'd never I've never done that before.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: I need to try that.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, because my problem is always like in the summer, it's like oily, oily, like skin everywhere.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
36:55
SPEAKER_01: Oil production is like off the charts and I'm always struggling with my makeup.
37:02
SPEAKER_02: Oh, sorry, I was just gonna say do it before before um do it after skincare, um after foundation and then after powder or after like yeah, and then you could also DM me.
37:13
SPEAKER_02: DM me at the time, right?
37:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm not like I'm just gonna, you know, ask I'm doing my makeup.
37:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, do you have I think it's it's really interesting though, because I think every makeup artist has like, you know, like their staple or their technique, you know, and and I really want to ask you, like along the way, have you kind of found yourself doing things like in specific ways, like other I know the setting spray thing, but like um, you know, just different techniques you've kind of found to work for you, or do you think it's kind of it's very different for each client?
37:43
SPEAKER_02: It's very different for each client, but I will say that I find myself when I'm doing makeup on somebody else, yeah.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: I don't the brush that I put the product on your face with, I don't use that brush to blend.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of weird, but and I I actually have never even posted about this on my TikTok as well.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: But I know me and my uh one of the girls that work with me on set, I was like, Oh yeah, I actually always have two brushes in my hand.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Because the thing is, if you take your brush and you put foundation, like you spritz, like you put foundation on it, you pump it, and you put that on your face.
38:19
SPEAKER_02: That brush is very saturated with product and it's not dry and nice, and it just can't buff out anything because now it's just soaking wet with product, and those bristles are not going to buff the product out.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: So I always have a separate brush that I'm actually blending the product with.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: And obviously, some people use sponges and things like that, but I sometimes like that I can have more of a pinpoint application with blow um with the brush as opposed to like using a sponge.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: I don't really use sponges on clients as much unless I'm giving it to them.
38:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I always use a different brush.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: And the way that you can do that, instead of, you know, if you're at home and you're like, well, I don't have so many brushes, you don't use the brush to put the product on your face.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: You either use a spatula, you use your finger, you use the back of a brush, you use anything but the bristles, and then you use the dry brush to blend the product out.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: So I've been doing makeup wrong this whole time.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: Then I'm glad that I'm wrong.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: I just feel like I get a smoother application because like think of a wet brush, and then take some time to like blend product with it, it's just dragging more product.
39:27
SPEAKER_02: It's not necessarily blending, it's blending, but it's gonna take longer.
39:32
SPEAKER_02: So it can dry.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: No, you know what's crazy though is that you just like open my eyes because I swear I could never I've never been able to use brushes for my foundation.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, and I think this is why I never even thought about it.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is why, because I do that.
39:50
SPEAKER_01: I just use the brush, like I'll put my product on the actual brush itself, and then I'll try to use that same brush to buff it out.
39:56
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, uh no, this is not looking right.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Like so I always go in with a sponge because I'm like, oh gosh, I have to fix this.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: But I think I'm gonna try this because this might be the the solution to that problem.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, why I'm having that issue.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: But wow, I didn't know that.
40:11
SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: No, I want to ask you, Julius.
40:15
SPEAKER_01: I want to come back to you, you know, and your just, you know, just amazing like work over the years.
40:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, I want you to tell us some like of your of your stories, you know, of like just I guess you could call them, I always call them like war stories, um, you know, whenever I ask people this, but like just for inspiration, um, for all of the the aspiring makeup artists out there, just you know, to learn about what things you've encountered along the way or moments that really stood out to you in your career so far.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's so many.
40:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we should have thought of this beforehand, but um no, but I wanted it to be candid.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: So I would definitely say like you have to really just put yourself out there for any opportunity.
40:54
SPEAKER_02: You just never know what you're gonna learn.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, there was a point in time, so I used to work full-time at Mac, and I because it was in the airport, we used to work, the store was open like 20 hours a day.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: So I would be there till sometimes at midnight.
41:09
SPEAKER_02: But the fun part about that is that my days off work was during the week.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: So I was assisting during the week, and there was one point in time I was assisting a particular artist, and uh there was a celebrity shoot that we were on for a magazine cover.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: It was a big deal, it was a September issue, you know.
41:24
SPEAKER_02: September is fashion month, like so we were there, and the the the talent was six hours late.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: And I assisted, I can't sit there, I can't complain.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: I did this is I gotta sit down and just wait for this person, you know.
41:38
SPEAKER_02: I gotta, you know, do what I have to do and be on point.
41:41
SPEAKER_02: But you know, the the person came, the shoot went well.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: We were there honestly until like about almost 4 a.m.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: But this is what happened they ordered pizza for us, and I didn't have any allergies at the time, but I guess this was an inkling to what was gonna happen.
41:58
SPEAKER_02: But um, I broke out in hives.
42:01
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, and the shoot was already so tense that I did not say anything to my key artist because I already knew that that person was already so stressed out, and I wasn't going to add stress on top of what was already going on.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: So I am low-key, like freaking the F out.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, what the hell?
42:22
SPEAKER_02: Because this never happened to me.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: And I still have to be on set, like making sure that I'm on point and I'm paying attention and I'm helping.
42:30
SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, I kind of just be like, oh, I gotta leave, go to um CVS real quick.
42:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, unless it was life or dead, and I had any type of, you know, any type of like allergies, but I was just like, girl, just push through, drink some water, and I just and I share that story because it's sometimes it's just like you would be put into the fire sometimes.
42:48
SPEAKER_02: You might be put into situation that situations that might not be ideal.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: Ideally, I would have liked to be in my bed at that time, but it was an experience.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to be there, I wanted to learn, and then sometimes things are gonna happen, you're not gonna complain or be upset about it because oh my god, the person was sick.
43:05
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, okay, and this is the person is a celebrity, let they do what they do, you know, and you're just gonna have to roll with the punches and make it work.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: So um that's yeah, that's one.
43:15
SPEAKER_02: And then I think just you know, the only thing I could really think of right now is honestly like, you know, sometimes I always say this, like I was working at, you know, I was working at Mac and I was also freelancing part-time on my days off.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: And I always tell people, like, if you have a job, or if you have, you know, everyone everybody wants to leave their job, and I feel like this kind of business hustler, entrepreneur mentality about just leave your job.
43:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, listen, make sure that your bills are paid.
43:42
SPEAKER_02: I used to, when I would leave work, I would sometimes get home at 2 a.m.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: Or sometimes I would have to leave home at like 3 30 in order to get to work for like four.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: I have to clock in by 4 45.
43:57
SPEAKER_02: So sometimes the situation that you might be in right.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Now is not ideal.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: You have to get up, you have to travel two hours to work, you have to do whatever.
44:05
SPEAKER_02: But like at the end of the day, like fill your mind with positive things, keep reminding yourself why you love what you you love and what you're doing, why you're doing what you're doing, because it's only temporary.
44:16
SPEAKER_02: Like it might not be the you know fun and you might be sad about it, but just continue to push through because you just never know what's on the other side.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: Just don't give up.
44:26
SPEAKER_02: That's the big thing.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: Just don't give up.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: And wow, more power to you, man.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: That's really hard to get through, is like if you're having an actual reaction and you just have to like mind over matter kind of thing, right?
44:39
SPEAKER_01: Like it's that's that's so it's it's very inspiring to hear that you were you did that because that's really hard to do.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: And I love what you said about you know, pushing through and really doing what you know that you have to do to get to where you want to be.
44:51
SPEAKER_01: I think no one says that anymore, and it really bothers me because I kid you not, like I see so many youths now, Jalisa.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, I literally want to just grab them and shake them and be like, Do you understand hard work?
45:04
SPEAKER_02: Like, well, I want to clarify like obviously if you're sick and you feel like you're gonna pass out, like I should just be like, no, don't say anything.
45:12
SPEAKER_02: But I knew that in that point it wasn't really that serious.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: Like, even though I'm like, okay, it's high, it's like it's I've had that happen to me years before, so I'm like, okay, it's not the end of the world, but like, you know, obviously, like, don't if you feel like you really need to like call a doctor, please do that.
45:26
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I just feel like you know, things we can't expect things to come to us, and this is my thing, you can't expect to be rewarded for the work that you never did, you know.
45:37
SPEAKER_02: And that that's just in every in every part of your life.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: You can't expect to get abs if you don't go to the gym, you can't expect to be healthy if you don't like do what you're supposed to do.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
45:48
SPEAKER_01: 100%, 100%.
45:49
SPEAKER_01: I agree with you.
45:50
SPEAKER_01: If you have a medical emergency, like you don't, that's not what we're talking about here, you know, get the medical help.
45:55
SPEAKER_01: But like, yeah, I mean it's just the it's the concept of you know, it's the it's the idea and it's the essence of what you said.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: And I 100% agree with you.
46:03
SPEAKER_01: I think that work ethic is something that is just so valuable.
46:07
SPEAKER_01: And you know, I've talked about this before on the podcast, but even in real life, just with friends, like how you know, I when I interview people or if I even, you know, go on an interview, right?
46:17
SPEAKER_01: Like I always highlight like the hard work component because I feel like no one talks about it anymore.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, at the end of the day, like if you had if I had a choice between hard work and talent, I would pick hard work every single day.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Because that, like, even if you don't have the talent for something, you can develop it over time if you just put the time and energy and dedication into what you love, you know.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: And I think that the youth nowadays, like they really need to hear that message because I I can't tell you how many times I I hear them just say, well, I just deserve to do this.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, sure, you might.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: You might.
46:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying you don't deserve it, but I think that there's so much value in valuing hard work and understanding its role in your overall success as a human being.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'm uh I'm a huge believer in everything you said.
47:05
SPEAKER_01: I think that, you know, we don't talk about it enough, especially like now in the beauty industry.
47:09
SPEAKER_01: There's so much like just, you know, you can just get on TikTok and that's gonna be like your claim to fame.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: But then no one talks about like, you know, what's happening behind the scenes.
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of the your favorite influencers for everyone listening out there, you know, they're actually like working like a real job.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
47:26
SPEAKER_01: They're doing TikTok and other things.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, that's also why I'd asked you is like, you know, it's it's not it's about the hustle at the end of the day.
47:33
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I'm I'm with it.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, well, Jelisa, this has been so wonderful.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: You're amazing, and I really love everything you do.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: I love your videos and you actually teach me so much.
47:45
SPEAKER_01: Every time I watch your video, I'm just like, oh, I love how she did that.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: And also for everyone listening, she is literally like Lauren Hill look alike, like the bat, like literally have never seen someone look like Lauren Hill.
47:58
SPEAKER_01: And I'm the biggest fan of Lauren Hill.
48:01
SPEAKER_01: Like I literally grew up listening to her music, and I remember her your your latest video, Julisa, with when you were where you did the transformation, love it.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: It it was epic.
48:11
SPEAKER_02: So much.
48:12
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
48:13
SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate it.
48:14
SPEAKER_02: And thank you so much for having me.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: This is so much fun.
48:16
SPEAKER_02: I just felt like we were having like a personal phone call.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: So this is great.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: No, likewise, I I really, really enjoyed it, and I would love to have you back anytime you have the time.
48:26
SPEAKER_01: And for everyone listening, I really want you guys to chime in.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: Let us know, you know, what are some of your thoughts about the beauty industry, about beauty in general.
48:35
SPEAKER_01: If you have any questions for Jaleisa, could definitely pass them along to her, you know.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I we would just love to hear from you in general.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, leave us some comments, some feedback, and I will be back next time.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: Bye.
48:48
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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