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Cars, Coffee & Cape Cod: A Rental Camry Story · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  John Summers is the motoring historian.
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  He was a company car thrashing technology sales rep that turned into a fairly inept
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  sports bike rider hailing from California.
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  He collects cars and bikes built with plenty of cheap and
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  fast and not much reliable.
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  On his show, he gets together with various co-hosts to talk about new
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  and old cars driving motorbikes, motor racing, and motoring travel.
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  Good day.
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  Good morning, good afternoon.
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  It is John Sons, the motoring historian.
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  I'm doing another one of these.
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  Impromptu Eric, the producer, was like, you know, you are better.
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  That one that you did about the LA fires where you just sat in the truck
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  and recorded it, that one was almost better than the ones that you planned.
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  So I was like, you know what?
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  I'll do another one.
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  Maybe I'll do another one like that.
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  And then I thought yesterday I, I've had this Camry for a
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  bit, family, vacay, Cape Cod.
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  I've had this Camry, Basey, obviously new one.
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  It's from Avis, one of the major.
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  And I was like, you know what, maybe I'll talk about it a little bit.
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  Maybe I will.
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  And then I thought, you know what?
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  So I'll do it as I'm like driving.
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  So, uh, I'm actually driving.
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  New England.
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  It is like Old England, you know, not just the place names, the whole
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  way they've like laid stuff out.
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  It's like Old England, I guess.
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  More.
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  It's a function that California's built for, you know, roads they have cars on.
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  Whereas this community that we're in at the moment, like this Cape
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  Cod, it seems to have been mostly built in the 16th, 17th, eighties.
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  Century.
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  So in that sense, the communities resemble a lot of British towns.
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  In fact, there are older communities than, than uh, uh, a lot of British towns.
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  So for context, if you wanna imagine me in context, I'm on this
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  Highway 28 Falmouth Road in, uh,
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  Cornwall.
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  I hear you say, no, not in Cornwall, in this Massachusetts place.
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  I just missed the turn for the only bloody drive through.
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  Alright, so this is a feature.
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  Of New England that is worth talking about is, and it is, is this right that
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  in New England, or at least part of New England, they don't really go in for
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  like drive-throughs and things like that.
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  So that thing where you like stagger out of the motel and get in the truck
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  and start rolling and are like, uh, where am I gonna stop to get breakfast?
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  And then you drive for a little bit and there's a McDonald's and you
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  just drive through and carry on.
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  That doesn't happen here.
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  Here, the only on this Falmouth Road drag here.
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  There's plenty of like strips and places that you can stop and get
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  out delis, as Dana calls them.
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  But I, I tried the.
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  Deli the other day and it took bloody ages.
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  It's like Bloody England.
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  Like, it's like, am I in America or am I in like slow being served England?
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  It was the latter.
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  And if the bacon sandwich had been that good, I'd have been
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  all right with it, but it wasn't.
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  So I was just like, yes, Daniel, this is why I don't do delis.
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  So else they do differently here.
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  And I'm just, 'cause I'm just looking one seeing one and
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  I'm just jumping around here.
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  Is this.
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  Trucks, there's a lot of Western stars.
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  I love a western star.
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  There must be different rules out here, like around heavy trucks and,
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  and this is why you see Western stars out here on Eastern seaboard
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  and, and not elsewhere, and.
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  Obviously the towns do look cutesy.
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  I mean, it works for me for a bit, but after a while it all feels a bit too
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  much like the Cotw, you know, in Europe.
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  I don't know.
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  I like a bit of, I feel like the cot swells has to be offset
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  with the gnarlies of Birmingham.
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  You know, maybe that people would say the same of, uh, Boston Offsets the sort
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  of, you know, the city offsets this as the, you know, and this is like, you
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  know, Windsor or somewhere like that, but just Americans, it's on a bigger scale.
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  Yeah, it's all like winding lanes with trees growing over.
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  You know, it's like if you tell the GPS to take you around Southern
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  England, keeping off the freeways.
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  Keeping off the motorways, which it did last time I was in England
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  and, uh, worked really well.
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  In fact, I'll insert a link now for that pod that I did where I talked
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  about driving around Old England.
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  Anyway, this New England is, is nice here.
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  You know, it's definitely a whole lot richer.
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  Basically everyone who moved is parked New England.
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  It, it came here, it was clear that they thought to themselves, wow, I could be
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  like the Squire in a Jane Austen novel.
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  You know everyone, every working class person, sailor Pilgrim.
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  I went to Plymouth Rock yesterday.
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  I won't bore you.
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  Well, no, actually it's not boring.
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  It's interesting, but you know, it is just a rock.
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  So you know, it's a story that's interesting.
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  Oh, Will's chair.
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  The story's interesting because one, it was families who came.
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  That's why it was memorable.
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  Second reason why it was memorable was because, uh, shit, I should
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  choose what I'm gonna be.
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  Second reason why it was memorable was because they did the Mayflower Compact.
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  So it's a system of government.
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  So you've got families and government, but the only reason they did the compact
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  was 'cause they landed in the wrong place and the king had told 'em they could have
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  land down by the Hudson River, but they weren't anywhere near the Hudson River.
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  So they were like, take us there.
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  And the captain of the ship went of the Mayflower went, no.
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  So they were like, what are we gonna do?
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  And, and the party was in danger of breaking up and they were
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  like, we're gonna do this compact to write how we are gonna run.
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  You know, our little posse here.
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  Hello.
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  Good morning.
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  What can I get for you today?
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  Good morning.
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  Can I do a sourdough breakfast sandwich?
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  Perfect.
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  Anything else with ketchup please?
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  With ketchup.
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  I can give you ketchup back on the side.
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  That's okay.
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  Awesome.
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  Perfect.
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  Anything else?
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  Can I also do a uh, medium cappuccino?
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  Actually a large cappuccino.
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  We'll see how good Dunking Donuts is.
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  I'll tell you what there is though.
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  There's this awesome little Ford truck with a wooden rack.
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  And like an extended boom.
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  But it's like a sh, it's like a short, really short, it's like a short bad truck,
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  but it's got like a utility bed on it.
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  I should take a picture of it.
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  Alright, so yeah.
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  In Cape Cod have this, uh, rental Camry.
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  I mean, it's new, it's only done 6,000 miles, so let's say it's a 2025.
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  I guess it's a base spec.
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  I haven't been and looked at the badge or something like that,
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  but it's like a cloth interior.
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  It's done about 7,000 miles and it sadly has been abused.
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  There's bashes on a lot of panels and they've taken the floor mats out.
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  It's filthy anyway, and.
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  I guess it tracks straight, but like all rental cars used to years ago, it
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  smells slightly of cigarette smoke, even though they've tried to, to clear it.
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  So, uh, hopefully we'll, uh, we'll be able to get away with that.
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  Now, I've, uh, you heard me in Dunking a moment ago.
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  I'm, uh.
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  I'm gonna sample a Dunking Bacon and egg sandwich.
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  Doesn't look that inspiring to be honest, but you know, we'll see.
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  So the Camry, I mean, I drove that excess E didn't I, a couple of months
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  ago and I linked to to that and, and I did feel like of the cars that I
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  drove in that way, it was the best car.
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  And with hindsight, given the fact that we're all spending our own money on these
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  things, it just seems so much better value than anything else that we experienced.
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  It doesn't do.
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  Anything particularly well, but it does everything really a little
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  bit better than you expect it to.
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  So well that you wonder if you need the Lexus and you certainly feel like
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  you couldn't justify, you know, you'd be wasting money if you were buying a
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  Porsche or the BMW, you know, that's how it, how it makes you feel a little bit,
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  it makes me feel like, like that again.
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  I guess I'm coming to it from the experience of driving the truck
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  and, you know, it definitely feels like 10 years on from the truck.
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  My tundras are 2016 and so, so that this is, and it's a car, you know,
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  not a truck, which, and the truck was already like old hat into 16.
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  But I guess, you know, because I drive so many old vehicles, it doesn't,
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  it still feels pretty modern to me.
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  So this.
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  This Camry feels super modern and as such, I find I trip over the
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  technology when you start it, but the engine doesn't like fire up.
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  So it, it's hard to tell whether or not you can put it in gear.
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  So I'm constantly trying to put it in gear or get it going or I somehow
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  mis coordinate the putting the brake on and pushing the power button.
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  It's, I, I dunno what it is.
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  I just, it's just.
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  You know, look, right now it's just now saying that the vehicle assist is
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  deactivated and I need to be careful when his assist when exiting the vehicle, it's
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  full of these kind of like computery.
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  Would you like a paper hat with that sir? Kind of of shit that you really don't.
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  It is interesting to me because you do end up feeling that this product 10
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  years ago would've driven just as well.
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  It might have even had cruise control, but I wouldn't have spent 10 minutes
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  wrestling with the cruise control because the cruise control isn't just cruise
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  control, it's also adaptive cruise control, and it's also lane assist.
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  And when you first switch it on, you need to know.
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  Which menu to toggle into to deactivate that.
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  So you only get the cruise, you don't get the whole self-driving piece.
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  Now, if that seemed complicated to explain, imagine what it was like
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  driving with your family at five o'clock in the morning having just
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  taken a red eye from East Coast.
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  We didn't plan to do that by the way we spent all day in the airport.
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  I just want to commemorate, uh, commemorate a day, which otherwise would
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  be, uh, consigned to the dust bin at time because it was not a good memory.
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  It was a bad memory.
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  When you arrive at the airport at eight o'clock in the morning, to be
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  told the plane's gonna leave at 1 35, to be told at noon that it's gonna
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  leave at 3 35, to be told at three that it's gonna leave at six 30.
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  Mike.
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  Garda was Chinese torture.
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  It really, you know, it just reminds you how, or reminds me how
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  important it is to be independent.
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  So this is why when my wife talked about renting a car, I
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  didn't bleed about what it was.
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  I was just like, absolutely.
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  I just want the independence improving that point.
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  Look, I'm just sitting in it now minding my own business.
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  I feel more comfortable sitting in the car.
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  Not at least, 'cause the seats are better than any of the ones in the rental hat.
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  It's like, you know, I don't dislike my wife's family, but you know,
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  it's fun hanging out with them.
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  But I do feel in my own space when I'm in the car, that's really what
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  I'm saying, I feel in my own, when I'm in the car, I might take my
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  second bite of bacon sandwich.
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  I've gotta say Americans do bacon badly.
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  There's never enough of that.
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  And the little amount there is, they always bloody incinerate.
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  So to the point where it's like what we would call in
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  England, you know, it's crispy.
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  It's like we, we would call it, and it, and they, they always do
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  like the tail bit of the bacon.
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  You know how it comes where there's like the round bit and the tail bit.
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  They always do the tail back and they incinerate the crap out of it.
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  So it's stiff.
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  So it's really small.
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  It's like, well, I don't understand the point of it.
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  It's like I felt about pickup trucks.
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  And I just wanna say like, what the fuck?
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  We never giving any napkins.
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  They asked for three catchups.
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  They gave me the three catchups.
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  They didn't give me any napkins.
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  Like what happened to that?
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  Again, it's another backward step.
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  This, it was better when they gave you the napkins automatically.
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  I don't know how many creams and sugar I want in my coffee.
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  Gimme three of each and then I can choose.
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  That's how it was in the 1990s when Gamy and I first.
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  Traveled here.
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  Now I know that's, that quote is gonna age very badly.
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  That's why the planet is burning the wastefulness of capitalism.
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  But my word, it was good fucking living.
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  I just used a napkin from yesterday that I found in the foot.
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  Well, I'm not picking me, I'm sitting here now trying to think
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  of more to say about this Camry.
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  I mean, it's white.
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  It couldn't be any more.
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  Neutral.
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  The other one, because it was high trim, the one that I drove
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  like a couple of months ago.
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  'cause it was high trim.
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  You felt like you didn't need the Lexus.
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  With this, you, you don't need the Lexus, but you, you might like to have it.
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  Um, you know, 'cause it's not that nice inside.
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  It's a bit plasticy.
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  So because it has the hybrid, a power delivery is really awesome.
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  And by that I mean I've had it in, I dunno what mode it defaults to.
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  It has like a sport, normal eco.
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  I haven't played with them at all.
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  Reason for that is I've just found that if you just stab the throttle, like
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  away from any kind of launch, it'll just chirp the tires just a little bit because
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  it's like the hybrid and the gas working together, and I'm telling you, you've
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  experienced it before you've seen it.
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  With those onboard films of Toyota, LA more cars, because the way it launches,
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  there's, there's something very different.
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  We've, I've talked about this in other pods.
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  It's different.
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  It, the power delivery in an EV is different.
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  It's not just us car guys being like, oh, it's interesting, this beeping.
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  It's a trash truck, but the trash truck's got all like livery on it.
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  It's like sign written black and gold.
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  It's not like a normal trash truck at all.
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  Anyway, I was talking about something then.
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  I can't remember what it was.
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  Um, it might come back.
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  Yeah.
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  The launch of this Camry is incredible.
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  The hybrid and the, yeah, I know what I was talking about.
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  I was saying that EVs, it's easy to feel like, oh, you're just being snobbish.
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  You just don't like EVs.
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  You know, a bur you just like anti ev.
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  I, I, there is something different in the power delivery of an EV
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  versus a. A gas powered vehicle.
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  There's something that actually makes me up, realized.
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  It might be the vigor of it.
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  It might just be, it might be the torque.
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  Of it, it, I don't know.
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  It's just to do with, you know, if there's, if I've been prattling
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  on for ages, uh, recently with the motorcycles about how a v twin just,
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  it does just feel different to ride.
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  And I never used to get it.
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  I still love the inline falls, but I really fall in love with,
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  uh, with V twins as, as well.
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  It's like having, having two wives, sort of, I still love the
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  old one, but, you know, but the, the, the vwe thing is smooth.
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  Really, that's just the way the power comes in now, the ev ev i, I think if
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  we can, we can recognize that there is something different, therefore,
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  about the way the power is delivered.
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  Now the old organic power delivery, especially the way that, like a normally
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  aspirated motor rev, think of a BMW inline six or something like that, that like zing
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  to like even a fairly low red line, you know, six grand red line or something like
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  that, that, that kind of power delivery.
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  You know, I grew up on that, so I, I love that.
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  Now I'm gonna say this Camry, it's that.
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  Old fashioned, you know, gas powered.
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  But now with this sort of electric turbo, that's the way
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  I feel like the hybrid works.
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  And is it sustained push?
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  I don't know.
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  I'm on Cape Cod.
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  I don't wanna go to speeding ticket.
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  I've not been faster.
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  I'm not driven faster and stupid.
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  I'm just saying under acceleration, the thing pulls really well and
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  it's really fun and it doesn't give a shit what mode you're in.
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  And again, right.
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  I feel like for this environment and ev, it has a pure EV mode.
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  I've not played around with that either.
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  I guess I. I guess I should, shouldn't I?
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  But you know, it seems to go into, if you modulate the throttle properly,
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  you can see when it's in pure EV mode.
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  It's quite easy for me to do that.
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  I mean, I guess it was showing 47 MPG when I started driving it, and I've
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  done a couple of hundred miles in it and have nurtured it up to like 50 MPG.
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  I say nurtured.
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  I mean, I've just talked about the throttle response.
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  You can tell that I've been led foot in it when there's been opportunity,
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  but I just haven't, you know, I've not been driving stupidly and herky
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  jerkily and the rest of the time, you know, when it's been pottering
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  in traffic, I've deliberately been.
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  Toggle in to keep it in.
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  Uh, it wants to coast right?
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  And if you coast up really slowly, it, it will, if you coast in the right way,
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  it'll even toggle in some regen braking.
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  It's not as aggressive for regen braking as I think I might like, but like
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  with so many things on this car, it's calibrated to be familiar and easy.
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  And, and usable.
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  And I guess I found myself looking at it next to, uh, a Volkswagen ID four.
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  If you think about the way that the German makers fell over themselves to deliver EV
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  innovation and have possibly done a total like British car industry on themselves
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  and completely fallen on their swords, I mean, it'll see, it'll remain to be seen
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  whether they survive, but, but really.
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  You know, you only need to look at used values of take hands to see how,
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  you know, the, these luxury EVs, what people want to be part in and drive.
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  So I've given something else as well, which is partly why I
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  wanted to, to record this piece.
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  So, I mean, compose myself into, you know, what music should we have this episode?
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  I could edit something in, in this point could, when I'm editing this back, I
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  can't remember when I did the LA episode.
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  I can't remember it in musical.
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  So, um, my brother-in-law has a, uh, 2017 BMW four 40.
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  He's a techie guy, so he is the right kind of car for him because, uh, you
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  know, he's the guy who's ready to spend the time on the forums reading what
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  the parts are that you need to replace so that, so the motor doesn't blow up.
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  And he's put a tune on it, but just a little one.
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  And he was showing me how you do the tune and it's just like a little plugin.
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  So, just to be clear here, the street race guys at the moment love this.
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  He's calls it the, I think the motor name is the B 58.
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  They love this platform because with an easy tuning device.
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  I think the maker that he has is JB Tune of, if I find the link, put it in.
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  But you can get an extra, you know, in his case, 40 horsepower.
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  In some cases, 120.
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  Horsepower.
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  And the way it works is it tricks the motor, it tricks the turbo into thinking.
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  It's not boosting when actually it is.
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  So it then over boosts giving you, now that sounds a bit crude, doesn't it?
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  I didn't drive it in sport Plus.
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  I drove it around Cape Cod and it's my brother-in-law's car.
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  So with those limitations, you know, what we're saying is I'm just occasionally,
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  you know, I'm falling back from the traffic and I'm occasionally coming in
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  the throttle and I'm doing that in what he called Prius mode, the eco mode.
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  I'm doing that in the normal mode that it defaults in sport as many years ago.
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  In fact, when this F nine, when this era of cars sort of launched, I, I
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  went to the immediate island Concord.
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  And, um, I had a BMW rental car, a F 90 T 3 28 rental car, and I drove up from
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  Miami to Amelia Island all the way there.
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  I was a bit disappointed by it 'cause it drove like a Camry, you know, the throttle
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  response was lazy and it just wasn't.
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  And, and it was a time before I realized that the modes really
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  counted for something because.
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  When you put this car in sport Plus it was like it was a track vehicle,
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  so I behaved very badly on the road, which is like a b roadie in from the
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  freeway into the Amelia Island Concord.
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  I really behaved like a hooligan along at a really awesome piece of road
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  and was struck by the fact that with these modern cars, with certainly
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  with this era of BMW, the mode creates a completely different car.
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  The, the mode is so, so that's why I didn't even put, you know, this, this
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  four 40, it's a grand coop, so it's like I didn't even put it in sport Plus.
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  'cause I always find those shifts too hard and the suspension too hard for the road.
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  Sport plus on the road when you gunned it, oh my word.
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  It was awesome.
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  The turbo boost, the pinon, your seat, the dry, you know, it, it was really nice.
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  The Thor.
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  Uh, so it's, the other thing that I did was, uh, I, I played with the paddles a
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  little bit to like knock it down a couple of gears and that was quite good fun.
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  But if you just mash the throttle as usual with BMW, they, you know,
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  I was like shifting at six grand.
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  It's like, you know, when you just mash the throttle, it'll take it like tip.
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  Seven and a quarter, which is like into just like my wife's E 46.
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  It'll like take it into the red before it makes the shift.
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  I mean, it's really, uh, you're like, wow, BMW and, you know, all that set up to make
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  it feel more, you know, sporty and racey.
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  But it really, the car drives itself harder than you.
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  We'd drive it and there's that sense that you've got the BMW engineers
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  who know what the car can, can do on the, on the track there.
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  So you know what a hugely capable and, and altogether awesome vehicle.
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  I mean, it, it's white as well.
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  It, it completely fades into the background, but you know, it's packing.
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  But I mean, you could.
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  Pick a number in terms of horsepower and torque.
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  'cause it's a turbo and you can get inside the brain of the, and manipulate what it,
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  what it's thinking and what it's gonna do.
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  So really, uh, an interesting car.
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  Not, not something that I would recommend buying secondhand because
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  the dongle, which plugs in under the bonnet, he, I said to him, if you cut
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  into the wiring harness to do this, he went, no, it's a plug and play.
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  And I went, so when you get rid of it, when you sell the car,
• 23:17
  you're gonna just unplug it.
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  And he went, yeah.
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  And I'm like, oh, so that's caviar EOR secondhand, isn't it?
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  Because this car, it looks like it's a family wagon.
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  'cause it is a family wagon.
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  You know, it's all wheel drive one.
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  Careful, you know.
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  Well, he's actually the second owner, but he bought it from Florida.
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  He's bought new in Florida and he had it shipped up.
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  So it's only done half a dozen Vermont winter.
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  Jesus.
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  By the way, can I just say the weather here is so cruel.
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  Like I just couldn't, any car I cared about.
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  It's just to salt, to drive on salt roads.
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  It's just, oh wow.
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  I don't even think I could do it to the tundra.
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  Now.
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  It just pains, especially when you start to see the rust creeping through.
• 23:59
  I mean, seeing the rust from the saline air on the stuff that I street,
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  it's because the rust is the product genuinely being, you know, destroy.
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  But with these electrical things, like with cars, traditionally
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  they would like rust away.
• 24:12
  You could do the mechanical, well now the electrics are way, way too complicated.
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  Like any rust or salt in that.
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  And you just, you just wanna get rid of the car.
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  'cause you, you're gonna be chasing electrical gremlins forever and ever.
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  And ever.
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  Oh.
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  That's what's gonna happen to older cars.
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  To old cars In future, they're gonna look all right, but be
• 24:32
  hiding all these electrical.
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