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EPISODE 149 - 'Gropecvnt Lane' · The Padded Cell Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to episode 149 of the Pathard Cell Podcast.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: And once again, I'm here with our Jim.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: Hi guys, hope you're well.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_02: Done it again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ask after everybody's wellness.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna expect me to do it when you're not here.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can just let them down slowly.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: See, I treat them mean, keep them keen.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: Don't mean that, love you all.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're heading for 150, which is our third anniversary.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely nuts.
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  SPEAKER_02: All things that have happened in three years.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in in life in general, we're on the pod.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm not I don't want to go on and on about all things because obviously we're going to talk more on in the next episode.
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  SPEAKER_02: But uh you know how far it's come, all the different changes and stuff, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: How it's metamorphosised.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna be going over some of that in 150.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not boring stuff, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: The nice a bit of reflection and all that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So 149, this is going out the 3rd of September.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where the fuck's the year going?
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  SPEAKER_02: 3rd of September.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel like I repeat myself all the time.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Do you just do that as you get older?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: Nearly decided, innit?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we said this the other day, didn't we?
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  SPEAKER_02: So we've got this massive wreath that was actually from Townhouse.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was one that we bought for Townhouse about three years ago, four years ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's obviously townhouse huge, so the the wreath is huge.
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  SPEAKER_02: Would you say about a metre across?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Easily, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean a little bit more, 1.2 maybe.
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  SPEAKER_02: When we we left Townhouse, uh, we'd already changed all the decorations, so that wreath didn't go with anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: So like when we bought it, we're having it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we've got a house big enough to put it in, yeah.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: But we haven't got a loft hatch big enough to put it through.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's been bandying around the house in different rooms.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it's been getting moved around the house depending on what rooms are getting used.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was in the this the front spur room, and then we had people staying over as we moved out of the into our bedroom.
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  SPEAKER_01: Looks like a huge toilet seat.
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  SPEAKER_02: It does look like a massive toilet seat, doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for a giant.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, and we were going to look for somewhere permanent to put it, but there's no point because we're putting it out again soon.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's it, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just nuts, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so we're not gonna look forward to December just yet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh we're gonna stick to the 3rd of September because some interesting stuff and the fun, fun stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the first uh thing I'm gonna bring up the 3rd of September um is about nakedness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever been to a football match which have been to lots of matches where you had a streaker on the pitch?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a few.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go and tell me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, offhand um in the 70s, everybody seemed to be getting a clobber off and doing stuff.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: A clobber?
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  SPEAKER_01: So here we go.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: A little bit of Pilari.
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  SPEAKER_01: A little bit of a nod to our Kev.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, you get there'd always be somebody student jumping on the pitch, especially rugby.
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  SPEAKER_01: Erika Rowe was the most famous uh topless uh rugby uh streaker.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then there's a guy from uh Robert, uh what was his name?
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  SPEAKER_01: Robert something from Liverpool, and he was uh he streaked all of the everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of my favourites with him was uh he had an arrow pointing at his bum hole and at the at the opening Hoylake, I think it was, and he had the 19th hole flag with the 19th hole on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's done some good ones like but he used to go out dressed up and do what was gonna be.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we are gonna come to him in a little bit, but why am I talking about streakers?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, 3rd of September apparently is a little bit of a dangerous day for going out and uh coming across naked people in general because on this day there's been two separate incidents of streaking, um, but it's just a little bit mad this one.
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  SPEAKER_02: It comes from it actually happened in Times Square in New York on the 3rd of September, um, and it was done by a performance artist called uh Matthew Silver.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why am I bringing this up?
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just naked, he was covered in body paint and he was carrying a rubber chicken.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, why the fuck is this guy doing this?
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's just take it a little step back.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is obviously a very, very busy place, Times Square.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and um at the time there was stuff going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: There was like these uh painted topless women going around called, I think it's called denuders.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right, it's okay, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Desnudas is spelling everything is denuders, and they become like this regular thing, and they just come along with the upper bodies obviously exposed, but covered in paint, and they'd have like the American flag on there and all sorts, posed for tourists receive tips for their tits, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then there's other like costume characters around started popping up, like Spider-Man and Elmo and Mickey Mouse and all that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: All these things were going on, there's arrests and fights and all sorts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so one night, Matthew Silver, this 3rd of September, he decides to jump on the bandwagon, and like I said before, he turns up in Times Square naked with his whole body painted so he's knob out and everything, carrying a rubber chicken.
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  SPEAKER_02: Police approached him and a crowd gathered.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'd be at the front.
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  SPEAKER_02: They'd all probably have their phones out, of course, 2015.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And according to um reporting, Silver repeatedly made the argument that what he was doing was art, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because art is legal, yeah, and it's expression, it's expression.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the the police were a bit like, uh, well, you know, it's a little bit more complicated than that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're a busy square children around, and he's like, Well, you know, there's women with the with the boobs out, you know, painted, they're naked, and they've got a real problem with that as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, you still allow it because art and expression.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this is as well.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: And they're like, Well, well, what what message are you trying to put across?
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  SPEAKER_02: This is what I was buzzy thinking as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: What the fuck are you doing, Matthew?
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  SPEAKER_02: Naked with a chicken.
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  SPEAKER_02: So his argument was that in a busy place like Times Square, he said, when you stand still and look, everybody, they're like ants everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, you get a crowd of tourists, um, but normally like listen to like a tour guide or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're always doing something, they're not always talking to each other, they've got headphones on, listen to interpreters and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they might be in the moment, but they're with that person, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not many people just stand still and just take everything in.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a busy place with so much, just stand still and maybe talk to the person next to you and go, gosh, isn't this like amazing?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, look at that performance horse over there, or wonder what that group of people are talking about over there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wonder what the tour guide's saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: People don't just stop, they're always going to work, going to for coffee, going home, going somewhere.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a through road.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he said he was doing this to make people stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: He said, I was I painted myself up naked and carried a chicken because it is a bit ridiculous because people will stop and go, Why is that naked guy carrying a chicken in Times Square?
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  SPEAKER_01: But it'll make them stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: It'll make them stop, it'll make them talk.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he said it was like a social experiment, if you like.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh obviously they tried to like say it was illegal, but he's like, Well, no, this is this is my point.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he got away with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I actually quite like the method to his madness.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I first read this thing as a as a what happened on this day, I was like, Oh Matthew, what the fuck, mate?
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  SPEAKER_02: But then when I read into it, I'm like, oh, okay, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Matthew had a message and he did it naked.
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  SPEAKER_01: So and it he proved the point.
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  SPEAKER_02: He did, he did prove a point.
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  SPEAKER_02: People apparently did stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, people took took photographs.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's encouraging people to take photographs, share it on social media, tell them what I'm doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It'll get other people talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So uh I quite like Matthew.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, 1st September 2017, this time to two years later, and this time we're in Bristol in the UK, at the Downs Festival.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you get the Bristols out?
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  SPEAKER_02: Thousands of people out there, obviously, watching what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's all performers on stage and everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh Elbow, a performer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good.
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  SPEAKER_02: We've been to the elbow, haven't we?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_02: What sort of genre amused of what you say elbow is for those out there that don't know?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say it was indie.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Indie.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's quite modern indie, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: People out there think indie's 90s, but still loads of independence out there, isn't there?
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh I think they uh they they are.
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  SPEAKER_02: And for those that don't know, one of the songs admirable.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: I can't sing that.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't know you could sing it.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: Throw those curtains wide.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: One day like this a year would see me ride to the harmony.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: No fucking chance.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: He should be on board with this.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: And he would be karaoke king, he'd be on too.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't know all the words and everything.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: He would, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that mirror ball, I don't know if we've said this before on the podcast, it was worth a mention.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, we didn't know a lot of the songs at the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: We got given tickets, didn't we?
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  SPEAKER_02: And we became big fans afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we knew some of the songs.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: And Mirror Ball came on, didn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: And um they were on the stage at first, and then they walked forward into like this centre stage, didn't they?
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  SPEAKER_02: This big mirror ball dropped down into the middle.
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  SPEAKER_02: Huge mirror ball with lights bouncing off it, and it just sparkled all around the room, didn't it?
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_02: And they encouraged everybody to put their hands in the air and wiggle their fingers, didn't they?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's like like a mirror, it's not like a mirror ball, but it's like a little bit of a gimmicky thing to do on every fucking person wiggling the fingers, and it was the most simple thing to do, but it was one of them moments, wasn't it?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, you occasionally you get them at concerts like that, but that was spectacular.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was everybody and all the lights were shining around the audience, and everybody was wiggling the fingers, and because the light was hitting on the fingers, it was like she said shimmery, wasn't it?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say it was about 10,000 people in it as well, and it hit everybody, it was nuts, wasn't it?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Really, it was an amazing moment, wasn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so simple.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Brilliant.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Guy Garvey is the lead singer of Elbow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh Guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Elbow uh on stage doing their thing, and a naked man appears.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it it's the 3rd of September again.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it is with that date, but this wasn't performance art this time.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is just a traditional British streaker.
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  SPEAKER_02: No body paint or philosophical statement this time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or rubber chicken, just his cock out on stage with Guy.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: So uh the man managed to get past the security to get right on stage with Guy.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty bad that really.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the guy was just streaking, but he could have been something completely different, couldn't he?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, Guy was obviously startled at first, um, but once he had sunk in a second, instead of backing away or calling the security over, he was a champ.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, he basically approached the guy and took hold of him and they began a slow dance.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the band continued, and Guy and the naked guy were just doing the slow dance together, and the crowd went wild.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: So funny that absolutely wild, yeah.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: So uh eventually the security escorted the streaker away.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but Guy Garvey completely transformed the situation.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, rather than you know, naked lunatic invade stage, yeah.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it became you know, Guy Garvey makes a new friend, naked friend.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's easy to make make make friends when you're naked.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, you can't really hide yourself, can you?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: No way to hide and all that.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you mentioned a few streakers there before.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: You said uh Erica Rowe.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So she ran topless onto Twickenham during England versus Australia in 1982.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, amazing tits.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, fucking really great tits.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um pictures of her recently as well, have you?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because she's like in a she must be in her fifties now and she's more than now.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: She still looks old, really, she's still a pretty girl.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, why wouldn't she be just because we're in our fifties, you know?
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's you know, she she hasn't she hasn't lost anything that she has.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder if her tits still stay up though.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't stay up at the time, I think they were just big.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: She came across as a lady who didn't really wear a bra.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, very young.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know why she did that, they just did it because.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Why is rambunctious just come into me?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what that fucking means.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Rambunctious.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Boobs, just rambunctious boobs, binging.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just a picture twicking them.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know why she did it.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember why?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: Just cause.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just cause.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just girls.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Shits and giggles.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think she was in university.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why?
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just shits and giggles.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, actually, the the in Britain it does tend to be students in general that do it just for shits and giggles, does that kind of thing.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that picture of her actually has become iconic.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of the most famous photos in sporting history.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Not just, you know, things it's sporting.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Just stuff that's happened in sport.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's one of the most famous photographs ever.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now, um, we were talking before about um Mark Roberts.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he we met him in Milligan's the lads when we were out one night.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, go ahead.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he uh he just all of a sudden we were just talking to him, all of a sudden he just whipped his clothes off and went running around the club.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: The dorm and we're running after him trying to get him to put his clothes back on.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, put your clothes on.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Just he had one a one-piece suit on and he just went in that it was all velcro's off and he was.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: So he was dressed for the occasion, ready to just streak and go.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he'd done at every event he went to.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: He had an outfit that looked like clothes.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: No, and Velcro's amazing.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's dedication that I wonder if his Mar throws it up for him.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know how it started was in uh he worked in Hong Kong and that was his first streak, I believe.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh if I remember, because I've I've I've heard loads of stuff by him.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it was first streak, was uh I think it was a race, big race hug race track in Hong Kong.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: That was his first streak.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: No way.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it says here that he's invaded hundreds of events around the world.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: All the rooms golf, tennis, football, horse racing, super bowl, the Olympics.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_02: And at the 2004 Super Bowl, he ran onto the field dressed as a referee and then stripped down to a thong.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, Mark.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: And he subsequently claimed to have streaked um at more than 500 events.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, yeah.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if he classed Milligans as one in River Poo.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Probably.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: That would be.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's a streaking occurrence.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: It seemed like he just done it anyway, just for shit.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was around the club.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: He was just any opportunity and never got nicked.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I wonder though, did he just go running home?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he had a little stash of clothes somewhere in his car.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: It was a multi-story car park, bollocko, and get changed in the car.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, he'd just go and reclaim his clothes after he's running around the club, put them back on and work out.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the sort of things people do.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, I mean, what would he put on his on his apple on his like forms, you know, occupation?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what his occupation?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was he was something like a uh like an investment bank and something like that.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, one of them you know the everybody went out to the far east in the 90s, didn't he?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, working in Hong Kong and stuff like that.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it was around then, so I think he has a pretty he's got a pretty had a pretty responsible job, I think.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't just out there as a tourist.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: I was thinking international cock-based entertainer.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Put that on your phone, yeah.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: And the insurance for insurance things online, a drop-down box, and there's all the list of occupations.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think that one would be on there.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking drink me tea, you bastard.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, maybe it could be a delicacy.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Cock fried rice.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, streakers, it's not for me.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't want to show my saggy tits to the world.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you anyway.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's just to you.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love yours.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: What else to say to that?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I don't know.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Can't never leave him alone, I'm like a kid.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know you do.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, our friend John, what does he do when he he loves boobs, doesn't he?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: Honk.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, Honky, honking.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: He caught he used to come up behind me, obviously we're very good friends, and he'd just he'd just get a handful of your boob and honk.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: Honking.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Honk, honk.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: It was brilliant.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, again, 3rd of September.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: Is it sounds boring, folks, but it's not, it's dead interesting, so you know, stick with me.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: International skyscraper day.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: So it's like an unofficial recognition day, but it's a date generally linked to the birth of uh an American architect called Louis Sullivan, born on the 1st of September 1856.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: And he was a hugely influential um uh architect and the developer of the modern skyscraper, as we know it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so basically they've they've used his birth you to recognise, but why?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because skyscrapers are becoming feats of engineering that are like mind-boggling.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, totally.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I just want to talk about a few of them because some of them really did blow my mind, and some of them are a bit funny as well.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Some mishaps along the way.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's been a few.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's been a few.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm sure everybody out there knows that skyscrapers move.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: So um they're very some of them are getting ridiculously tall now, and uh, so obviously they've got to ensure that they will withstand all weathers, especially some of these are in Far East, Middle East, yeah, yeah.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, US, Dubai, all that kind of thing.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: So if they were completely rigid, it would put too much stress on the structure.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: So they're designed to flex and sway.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and if you get high enough in some of these, you can actually feel it a little bit, even though there's things in place which I'll talk about in a minute.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and at the top of one of the world's tallest buildings, um, the amount of movement can be really substantial.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and engineers have had to think about human comfort as well as the safety, yeah, if you like.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, of course.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: So they've got to like you know weigh it up.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, in this uh building is the type A 101 in Taiwan, and they use these devices called tuned mass dampers, and basically what this this is uh it's a massive, gigantic steel sphere weighing 660 metric tons.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: So a gigantic steel sphere, and it's suspended between the upper floors.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: So, what does this do?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Also, it's about 5.5 metres across.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's it's massive, and you can actually see us when the wind pushes the building one way.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: This enormous ball moves in the opposite direction, it's like a counterbalance, yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I get it.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck me.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Amazing, a 660-metric ton counterbalance, basically.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, this is mad engineering, isn't it?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: So uh apparently um this does stop everybody feeling seasick because it can happen because the sway can be that much, and uh during particularly during typhoons and that, it can be a bit terrifying.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: You can see it sway and you can see the ball move.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can imagine.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard that there's there's skyscrapers, I've seen them on engineering programmes, they're talking like you can sway, meter either way.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Meters a lot when you're a top 450 metres up in the air or something.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh imagine me.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't even go on Patronas Towers.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: I won't, no.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't because it's got a glass.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to tell all our lovely listeners when we the day we planned to go P Petronaus Towers why we didn't go up Patrona's Towers?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Can you remember?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: I probably just cause I I just did I just would not go up because I was too scared.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot all about that.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: The stuff you remember.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: You forgot about the alarm and then you went, oh dear, we're too late to go up now.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go and have breakfast.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't, I just it's because of my finger heights and wanting to jump off.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I know I can't, it's sealed, but it's got a glass floor.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'd I'd be on my stomach going to the side, I wouldn't be able to walk on it, my legs would go.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds so dramatic, I know, but that's how bad I can be.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: And for those that have got the call of the void over there, the thing that I talked about in episode fucking don't know forever ago, you'll know how this feels.
• 21:24
  unknown: Yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I forgot all about that.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: You sure your sins will find you out?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't it funny the way your brain blocks things away?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because I just completely forgot about that.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: But also, do you remember that um when we were uh going off piste, obviously, but remember the um the the fun fair, not the fun fair, like roller coaster rides on the inside of the building?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's right, there's like this big um like what would you call it?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like a big complex, like a retail mole.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: It was a mole.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it was fucking huge.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: It was a massive, massive mole.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: And there was a full size roller coaster on the inside that was in Quarloon.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in Quatellone.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Pay you.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: That was unreal.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it wasn't just that ride, there was loads of rides.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: It was like inside this mull.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a full fun fit at the top, top of top of this mall.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Unreal, wasn't it?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: So then we move on to skyscrapers that can cook things.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: Unintentionally.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: 20 Fenchurch Street in London.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise known as the walkie-talkie.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: So it's the bills and it's got like a curved glass facade.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Not that it looks like a bullet.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: This one, it's like concave, it curves concave, and it's like narrow at the bottom and wider at the top.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: So they call it the walkie-talkie because that's what it looks like.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, shortly before it was completed in 2013, people discovered that under certain conditions, the concave surface could concentrate sunlight onto the street below.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: So it became a giant magnifying glass.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: What happened?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: How did they find this out that it was so deadly?
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: Dangerous.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Something out with a magnifying glass and shining through.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: So then the whole building became a magnifying glass, and on the street below was an Jaguar, a Jag, XJ, parked nearby, suffered from melting and a warped exterior after sitting in the concentrated reflection from this building.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: Its owner, Martin Lindsay, returned to find damage, including a warped wing runner, and it was all down to the heat reflected off this thing.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: And after this, people promptly nicknamed it the Warhy Scorchy.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: How brilliant.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely brilliant.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: And apparently, a journalist subsequently managed to fry an egg using the concentrated heat from the bullser.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: And temperatures in the hot spot were reportedly measured at around 90 degrees Celsius.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Mad that isn't it?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, eventually permanent sunshades were installed because this was becoming a real problem.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, imagine that guy would have sued the company, the building, or whoever.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's fixed with car, would it?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you wouldn't think that what's melting my car, you wouldn't think, oh yeah, it's up there.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody must have pointed it onto something.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Must have done.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I'd be going, who the fuck's done this to me car?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, you would.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Aliens, always aliens.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Aliens.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: This is not the only building like this.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: So the architect of this building, Rafael Vignoli, had previously designed the Vidara Hotel in Las Vegas.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Guess what happened there?
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly the same thing, basically.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: Guests complained that it's curved glass exterior, concentrated sunlight around the swimming pool.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: So people reportedly calls it the Vidara death ray.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's not very good at this fucking building design, is he?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Get it wrong once by all means, but fucking hell man.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Twice.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Twice?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: I was a fucking lot of insurance.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: What are you that?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Bell end.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: I know, yeah.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Bell.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: As we know, skyscrapers also have secret floors.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it's like a key, isn't it, on the thing?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: And there's to go to secret floors and penthouses.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: And also buildings often they don't omit the 13th floor, they just don't call it the 13th floor.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: So like 10, 11, 12, 14.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: And also have found in East Asia the number four is often avoided.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um because the pronunciation of four can resemble the word death in languages including Mandarin and Cantonese.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: So a lift basically would it wouldn't have uh four on it, it would it's skip four and fourteen, twenty-four, maybe in some cases.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that would mean like you're on the 68th floor.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're not you're on like 52 or something.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Skipped a few.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: I know, yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: What can hell?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: And you've probably seen this because we've watched quite a lot of architectural programmes, and I don't we didn't see this getting built, I don't think, but we saw one nearest, or maybe we did, I don't know.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: One of the um very, very modern skyscrapers uh in New York, it's on uh 111 West 57th Street, Isa Steinway Tower, and it's super slender, super, super slender.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's got a height to width ratio of roughly 24, so one.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's around 435 metres tall.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: And um, it looks like a normal skyscraper, you know, from yeah, it's height, but it looks like someone's if you look at like a picture of it, it looks like some just like slid like Photoshop and like sliced it right down, it's like a fraction of its size.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's so so so so now.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: So the the floor footprint is only small, tiny, but it goes high, but it goes high, so they've but they haven't flared it out.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, they've actually just kept it straight, yeah.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it's been described as the world's most slender skyscraper, yeah.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and why?
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, obviously it's to make use of the space in built-up cities like New York, and a lot of the space now is in the sky, yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: And apparently airspace in cities like New York is becoming like you know, big money.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh right.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: And uh people are spending a lot of money for these amazing views over like Central Park and that.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so developers are requiring neighbouring air rights.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: So if buildings have got like they go up to a certain height, yeah, they then apply for the rights to build above it.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they're claiming the air rights, if you like, around that area.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thing is, is somebody's gonna buy one of them apartments, yeah, and some of the trats are gonna build one in front of it and fuck the viewer.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they could do, couldn't they?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: Unless they have some sort of it could be like something like the UK where you have a search, and then as part of that, any sort of planning permission or if there's a possibility of the land in front of you being built on and stuff like that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna build this one, and there's only gonna be that skyscraper now, there's about a half dozen.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: There's loads, absolutely.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: So then we've got luxury skyscrapers along Manhattan's so-called billionaires row.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: There's apartments there that have sold for just a stupid amount of money, like ridiculous amount of money.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: In 2019, hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin bought a penthouse at 220 Central Park South for approximately$238 million.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking that's a lot of money there.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: How big was the apartment?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I just have to say, but it better be big for that?
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'd want the whole like roof, the whole top floor for that.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be big, won't it?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: And at the time it was reported as the most expensive home ever sold in the United States.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: It absolutely mad, isn't it?
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: $238 million.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, for that, I'd want to own Central Park.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's just a phenomenal amount of money, isn't it?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just absolutely nuts.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: And if we go um back to one of the tallest buildings, the Burge Khalifa in Dubai, it's 828 metres high and it's got 163 floors.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason I've brought this up because I'm thinking the lifts in these, you're going that high, they've got to think about pressure in your head and your ears, haven't they?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and like the speed as well, because you don't want to be in the lift for ages going 100 and what was it, 63 floors.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: It needs to be a decent speed, but without damaging your eardrums.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, how high is that?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: 200 and what?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: 828 metres.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: 800 metres, so you're talking double.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: So basically it's nearly a kilometre, and you're not going to walk up that you need lifts, don't you?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, in this apparently is a double deck uh lift system or elevators for those who aren't in the UK.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: And some travel at around 10 metres per second, so that's roughly 22 miles an hour vertically.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they've done it, so they've they've like increased this like atmospheric pressure system uh where protector is and you know, implode and shit like that.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, it's just nuts, isn't it?
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: The things they've got to consider when they build these things.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and just before we finish, um one World Trade Centre in 2014.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know there's there was more than two world trade centres?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's two.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, I'm totally fucking ignorant, as a lot of us Brits are.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, I'm centred around the two world trade centres from 9-11.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Did I fuck no?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: There was I think seven.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: Seven alternative.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: There's seven buildings in the complex.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think there is guys and girls every day in between.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure that's what I've read in my research.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: So when I was reading this, I was like, well, how can this how can this be the case?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was 2014 and and they weren't there then.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: But there's more than there's two, so fucking hell.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Excuse my ignorance, folks, but I learned something every day.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: They were the two biggest, right?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: So why am I bringing this up?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh a hundred stories, this skyscraper.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: And somebody's got to clean the windows.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: Great job.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my goodness, mate, you've got balls of steel.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'd have a go with that.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Would you?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Would you?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: You see, this this makes me scared.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_02: When you say you're gonna do things like this, no, that'd be fun.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: But what if you die?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you you only fall once, don't you?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: I believe you cancelled your life insurance recently.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Please don't go doing silly things like that.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Mine's confined spaces, and I can't do confined spaces, but I could do that.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean I could harness in it.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: So if I jump.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be worse than that when I was working for as an electrician.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking working walking along palins nine stories up.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you see, don't tell me this now.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Don't tell me this now.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: Without harness.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, back to cleaning fucking windows.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: One day, uh there was uh two men working outside the 69th floor on one of these, what are they called?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Gantry.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you very much.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's a cable malfunction.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: I caused this scaffold to tilt dramatically.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think I've seen some of this.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you're nearly 70 floors up above Manhattan on this tiny fucking platform.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: With a harness.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but you know, that is gonna feel very insignificant as well.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Harnesses attached to the cage.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: So the cage goes your gun anyway.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: So really they don't normally attach to the building as well.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't really there's nothing for you to attach to the building just in case.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's gotta be engineers out there, come on, this is an idea to save people's lives.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know whether or not on that particular instance he'd have a he'd have a line going up, uh like a safety line.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: But normally you just you're tied to the basket so you don't fall out of the basket.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: The basket falling off the building.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, okay, this makes more sense then.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so they're on this little platform, nearly 70 floors up, and one end dropping.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, fire fighters um had to cut through a window from inside the building to rescue the two men and both survived.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't read it down here, but I did read accounts that while the guys was trying to call his wife to tell him that he loved her and all that.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Probably held on for DLA at this point.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't be doing that.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'd I'd be just I can't fucking I need I need to answer use my phone.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: I know I'll just phone my wife dial with your nose.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Don't know, I'd try my best maybe to send you a little message as I've fallen.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, love I've I'll I I'm nearly there now.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Miss Swan song.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh anyway, yeah, so they were they were rescued and they were absolutely fine, but um yeah, I I I couldn't do that.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean the the pictures of the 1932 uh engineers building the Rockefeller, yeah, they were that was real, they did that, they they posed for it, but they were real.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: They that's where they had their lunch, that's what they did.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: There was no fucking harnesses out in there.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: No steeplejacks they were called, weren't they?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Were they?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, steel steel erectors, yeah.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, amazing.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: Not for me, thank you very much.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I could go on, but I'm not.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's enough on skyscrapers for today.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: See, interesting, some interesting stuff there.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we're gonna move on to our main segment.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have a little slur for me drink, I might have a custard cream.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: So Jim's got custard creams, they're not the custard creams that I've been going about.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: These are different ones.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: These have suffered shrink flation.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Haven't they just?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I mean they're a little bit thin, they're not even a centimetre thick.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd say they've lost about a centimetre round as well.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: But they're very, very, very tasty.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very tasty.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're very tasty.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: What was that there for?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um can't remember now.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: Was it gravy?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: It'll come to me in a minute.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: I've just had a big massive I've just had a big massive slur for me seven up.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: So a burp could be incoming.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's just come to me.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: They're tasty.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'll come it'll come to me in a minute.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: If I don't go, there'll be Brits out there shouting at us now.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: They certainly will.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's gonna bug me now.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, right, I'm gonna move on to our main segment.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Is this some of that you've recommended?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: The Wizard of Odd.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't caught it for ages.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: The Wizard of Odd.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Get an odd by the day.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely got an odd by the day.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it was one of the things that you sent over, and it wasn't that long ago, actually.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you you it was a real.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the real, isn't it?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, mostly.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's like 60 seconds of a story that you fire over to you and it ends up being this is 14 pages.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: But you you really like this and it inspired me.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so we're going to Vietnam.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: Does that ring a bell?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: A market.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Still no ringing of bells.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna leave you hanging though.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I must have just skim ready.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_02: You didn't even read it.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: You skim watched it.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: You watched the best bits.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I went, that'll do.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's why my WhatsApp inbox is just full of shit reels because you're not watching the whole thing.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: And also you keep you send me things, not even real sometimes.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: You're not like looking to see what's I owner.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, I'd uh I mean I'm grateful as a research, thank you very much, because this is real.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: There you go, man.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: Shut the fuck up.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a few gems and shit.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: Imagine telling your husband, wife, partner, I'm off out for the night tonight.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: Where are you going?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go meet my ex.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: Does that ring a bell?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because once a year we meet up, have a drink, talk about how our how our lives are going.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: And remember when we were in love.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: I said your partner launching uh into a terade of abuse and what the hell are you doing?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: They'll say have a lovely time, and I'll see you tomorrow.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Better still, they might also be going to meet their ex to do the same thing.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is the Vietnamese love market.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you very much, Wizard of Odd.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm gonna tell you all the bits that you didn't watch on the 60-second reel.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right, okay.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't watch them all because otherwise I'd spoiled the pod for you.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I've just got to have enough in case you use it.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: Is that your excuse?
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: Just not you haven't got much of an attention span.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: Apart from at the moment, you're doing very well.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so Vietnamese love market.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: So before we all get too excited, the name is slightly misleading.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: There isn't a market where you walk between stalls and you find your old or new bow.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, nobody's being bought or sold.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, they are traditional gatherings and um they're associated with some of the ethnic minority communities in northern Vietnam.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: And probably most famous of all is the Cauvi Love Market in the mountainous province of Hazang.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I could tell you exactly where this is, but I just I can't pronounce all the words.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's all in Vietnamese, and there's a lot of translator, and even on translation, I'm like, oh fuck off.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just it's just not made for British people who can't speak other languages because we're ignorant.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, so it's in northern Vietnam, very different from a normal matchmaking event.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously, not speed dating or anything like that, and it's not a place where people are looking for somebody new, they're going to find somebody old, a person that they've loved at some point.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: And remarkably, the whole tradition is built around the idea that your current partner can respect the fact that somebody else has once had a piece of your heart.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's all very mature and beautiful.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm sure there's probably a bit of argy barge here and there.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to romanticise this.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there's been some divorces along the lines, you know.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't go to the market.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose they must pre-arrange to meet.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: They're not going to just turn up, so they must come, it must be on Facebook and go, Do you fancy going to this?
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Northern Vietnam, small villages.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: It might it's so let me tell you more.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'll go on.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: You'll make your mind up after all of this.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: So the Love Market, it takes place once a year.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: And this particular place that I'm talking about, it's absolutely beautiful.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh Harzang.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: Saw some pictures, lovely, um, huge like limestone mountains and valleys, and absolutely gorgeous place.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: It does look like there's remote villages.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: So it's winding roads around mountains and like um the communities are scattered right across this region.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_02: So they're not like close-knit communities, yeah.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: And this this thing takes takes place in this region on the 27th day of the third lunar month.
• 40:51
  unknown: Okay.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: So the Gregorian date changes year to year, basically, but for them, the 27th day of the third lunar month.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not like a dreamt-up event uh for tourists or anything like that.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: This actually is recognised officially in Vietnam in 2021.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they decided to add it to the Vietnam's national list of intangible cultural heritage.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Has it been going a while then?
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: So behind it is a love story, and it involves two people called Bar and Oot.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: According to the story, there was once a young man called Bar from the Noong ethnic group, and he fell in love with a young woman called Ot who was from Zay.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: And Ut wasn't just any young woman, she was supposedly the daughter of an important uh tribal chief in Zay.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: Barr, meanwhile, came from a poor family.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_02: A bit Romeo and Julietus.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, definitely.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Different communities, different customs, actually, and different social positions, and two families probably thinking absolutely fucking not.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Barr and Oot apparently didn't care.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: They loved each other, but the families refused to accept the relationship.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the couple fled together and hid in a cave in the mountains.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: And like I say, very, very Romeo and Julius.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_02: Except while they were hiding, things outside started going a bit wrong.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oot's relatives reportedly came looking for her, armed with bows and arrows.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Barr's family arrived with sticks and knives.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: The two sides began fighting, and from their hiding, Bahr and Oot could see the families attacking each other because of their relationship.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: So they made an extraordinarily painful decision, and we would separate.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_02: Bart returned to his family, and Oot would return to hers, and the fighting would stop.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: But before they parted, they made one promise that once a year, on the 27th day of the third lunar month, they would return to the out the cave and they would meet again.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: And just for that one occasion, they would talk, sing together, it says here.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: Karayogi and tell each other what had happened during the previous year.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: And they'd separate again, and according to legend, they continue doing this throughout their whole lives.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: One Vietnamese account of the tradition says that when they were old, they returned to the cave one final time, embraced each other, and died there together.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_02: Their deaths were said to have occurred on the same lunar date on which they'd always met.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: Local people subsequently erected shrines in the area associated with the couple and their story, and it all became an annual gathering.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: So people just visited the shrine to um sort of remember them.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: But then it became a thing in the community.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: This isn't like yeah, it's not a story about your people cheating, or it's about like unfinished love, and you know, these are people that.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: That just couldn't be together but didn't want to forget each other either.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they respectfully parted and don't forget it's it's a different tradition to ours.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think in these sorts of traditions there's a lot of respect, isn't it?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: Honour, yeah, honour very, very much.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's just more about you know two people who are respecting each other who did love each other, can't be together, but can still you know share some kind of friendship.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's quite nice, really.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, what if you know they get together and they're like, Oh Josh, I'd really love you.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, if if people told us we couldn't be together, fuck them all off.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me too.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: I just wouldn't give a shit.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: Have to.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: So where are we now?
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: We are um basically at this festival, once a year, where people from all the communities around the area get together.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_02: There's all sorts going on.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there's like little like some of the communities like like little have little festivals and and drinks and stuff like that.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: For some people, it's just really, really simple.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: And this is where we're gonna meet.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and people do turn up year in, year out.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's older people who have been going for years and years and years, and they look forward to it.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it'd be like you going along to meet somebody from years ago, but I would also go, um, but we'd have your separate time together and laugh and joke, and then afterwards come back together and go, Oh god, well, this has happened to them.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's happened to them, yeah.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: What's happened to blah blah.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it's an it's a nice little thing, it's become part of their tradition, and actually part of their relationship is to remember actually, rather than try and push them into the past and forget, is that they've been part of who they are now, yeah, and keeping them there if both parties are willing.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: But what if you go one year and the other person isn't there?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be sad.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be really sad.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: You think that's dead.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or you don't think or they fucked you off.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: They fucked you off.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh see Vietnamese and uh they're very cultural, so they're a bit more they've got a bit more about them and they're a bit more respectful than that.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think they've started unless they wanted to carry it on.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: So apparently, as this has evolved over the years, uh at some of these love markets, like I said before, there's music and stuff like that, and it's also become an area and a time for young men and women to get together and a way to communicate because in some of these areas, you know, they're not on social media and stuff like that, they haven't the social networks that we've got to use this this coming together for them to meet, and actually, some of the children of the people that are going to meet ex-partners go along with them, leave the folks to it, and then they'll socialise with each other's children, and some of those have got together.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, that's nice.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I could go into lots of things that go on, but you know, like I said before, there's food stalls, music, performances, games, but they have activities like pole climbing, archery, uh, water carrying competitions, rice cake pounding.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and a nightingale it does, doesn't it?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: And a nightingale singing competition.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: So they must have to impersonate a nightingale.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it's it is a coming together of friends, but they also make it into this big festival now.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: So, of course, it does attract all sorts of people.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think I don't think it attracts loads of tourists.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's one of those areas where you'll get loads and loads of tourists.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it is promoted as a party as a celebration, like I said before, cultural heritage, but they they don't try and attract loads and loads of visitors, things like more backpackers or maybe visitors from Vietnam, yeah, not from the communities.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: They try and keep the underlying value of it and keep it a safe space for people to return and reconnect every year rather than it being a mass tourist thing.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so would I want to go no, because it's not fun enough.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's not no no that sounds fun.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: Rice cake pounding.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Pounding into what is what I want to know.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, a bit of sploshing.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: A bit of sploshing, yeah.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Rice cakes.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: So um I just thought the nice little thing that brought a smile to my face, and you know, in a time where most of us have got like, you know, a train fucking crash behind us of exes or experiences.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's just nice, I think, that's some people out there that still want to meet their ex out every year.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's nice, nice.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's some exes I still get on with.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there is.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's fucking loads that I don't.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: Not me.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right then.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna move on.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna do a tangly bis, but again, we're not on camera, so we're not gonna do a tangly, but we're gonna leave that until we're on camera because it's a visual one.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: I've got a nice little Lady Lobotomy.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, lovely.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: And me, you can't relate as a guy, but you can relate as somebody who's been on the swinging scene.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: Dear Lady Lobotomy.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_02: I've been invited to a swinging party in someone's house.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: I know them as we've met at a club and have chatted a loss, but I've never got it on.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: I know some of the other attendees, but most will be strangers.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: Is it exciting and scary?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: This is my first house party, so I basically want to know how this differs from a club and what I should be aware of as a single female.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for the laughs and the education.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know I needed.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Love Joanne, Joe in brackets, age 34.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: So she wants to advise a single female going to a house party.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is different.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: We haven't talked about house parties.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: We've had private parties, yeah, though.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_02: Which could be seen as similar, I suppose.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_02: But house parties, I think, are a different beast altogether.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_02: Now I don't want to pop people off.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I'm looking at you like, and how far do we go with this?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to pop people off.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because you know what's some great house parties out there, but I think it just needs to be eyes wide open.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: Most definitely.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because uh, as a single female, let's get back to Joanne.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_02: She's walking into somebody's private abode, yeah, and they have invited anybody that they want.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: And there could be 30 guys and two girls.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_02: You need to make sure that there's a ratio first and foremost that you're happy with.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: So ask the questions, you know, who are the other attendees, you know, genders, sexualities, what are they going to be into?
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Is it going to be BTSM?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_02: If you're not into BTSM, you're like, you know, what sort of party is this?
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Consomms available.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: That was the next thing I was going to talk about because we had an experience one time, didn't we?
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Which didn't last very long.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm not giving any identifying details whatsoever.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_02: But um it was um wasn't safe.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: So we left.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I believe there's other parties that people that we know have been to that have been the same.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_02: Where um just a free-for-all.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: A bit of a free-for-all.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: And staying safe is an option, not compulsory.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: So um if safe sex is paramount to you, which I advise it should be, but you know, I'm not here to dictate, then um, you should be asking questions about condoms.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now, obviously, you could insist on guys wearing condoms, but let's say they've played with somebody before you who've not worn a condom, um, and then you go down that person and they haven't had a wash or got a rear or that kind of thing.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_02: Clemidar.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you need to be aware of all these things.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people at these parties will say, you know, I've been tested, and you know, I had an STI test a month ago, but what they don't tell you they've had sex with six strangers since.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: So it's only as good as your next sexual encounter.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's lots and lots of things to think about at house parties.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: So ask the questions who's going, what's the ratio?
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, are you ensuring that people use condoms?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and also things like um drugs and alcohol.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Because when you go to clubs, drugs are very, very closely monitored.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: If anybody was to walk into a club, look like they're under the influence, they wouldn't be allowed in.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: If the course on the premise would be kicked out, um, but house parties, um, it can be a little bit more lenient.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: Another reason why it's never been for us, because that's just not for us whatsoever.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, for those that that are into it, it's out there.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, if it's not for you, you need to be aware that there might be substances.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: So ask those as a question.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: And you can ask the question, you know, a non-judgmental way.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, just as part of all of your little things you want to get ticked off your list.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know, will there be drugs and alcohol?
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, do I bring me your own alcohol if you want to drink alcohol?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: And see how you feel once you've had your questions answered and mull it over.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: If there's other single females going, I would highly recommend that you meet up with them in a bar or something first and go in together.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I've all I've talked about chaperones before in general with single females going for like modelling and stuff like that.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and meeting somebody for the first time online.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you're gonna go for a drink, have like a safe call or somebody and a few tables away in Costa or something, you know.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: But if you're going to a house party, um, a lot of the time they do actually give a guest list.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: And if they use forums, they might give forum names so you can reach out to people beforehand.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: Some parties will have a Discord channel so you can chat to people beforehand and like get to know the attendees.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: If you like the vibe, happy days.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't like the vibe on Discord, you haven't got to go.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: There's a really, really good way of sorts of people out beforehand.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: But going back to that, you might meet a single female on Discord that you click with and you can say, No, should we meet somewhere beforehand and walk in together so it's not as daunting, but also as a safety mechanism.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think another thing as well, you don't know how commercial it's gonna be.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: Are these guys just doing it for the money in which they're just going to sell as many tickets for it as they can, or take as much money and make a business out of it?
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Which you're not part of the business, you know what I mean?
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're not getting no kickbacks of it.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_01: Your safety doesn't matter.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas people who run parties regularly who are responsible will have guest lists, but not just seeing name guest lists, proper ID.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because at the end of the day, you've got there's accountability.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: Now, don't get me wrong, there's some great house parties out there.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we know people that have thrown house parties and they are very careful about who they invite.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's only people that you've met in clubs who um you know they know well they've maybe played with before.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: They've obviously been ID'd in clubs as well, so they are who they say they are.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it could be a friendship group that they've met and they all just decide to go and take it to a house, so they all know who each other are, and you know, they'll provide condoms or you know, advice you're to bring them along, and they will provide alcohol, but you know, it's it's it doesn't always end up being like you know, everybody getting trashed and stuff like that.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: So there are some responsible house parties out there 100%.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: So don't be put off, just ask the right questions.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, for those who want to go to a club, before you go, you look at the website for information about the club, the facilities that are there, you know, can you take in an alcohol will be supplied?
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Will there be condoms there?
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: What are the ratios like?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, what events are there?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: You might want to contact the club by phone or email and ask any further questions that you might have.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_02: So, why wouldn't you do the same thing?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: Going to a house party.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you not be as safe?
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, just because it's a house party doesn't mean it's uh it's you know any more safe than a club.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so just ask the right questions and definitely if there's a Discord channel that they're running for it, jump on there, give you a really good indicator about who's going.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: And hopefully, if you put all those things in place, you have a really, really boss time because you know there's loads of fun to be had at these parties.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_02: The fact that you've been to clubs before as well, it makes me think that you've got your head screwed on a little bit as well, and you've already been through the rules of a club.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't you haven't you said that you didn't play with the couple of advice invites at the party, but get the impression that you've played at clubs, so there's experience there.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, you go with your eyes wide open and with some experience behind you.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I think you'll be absolutely fine if you just you know follows little bits of advice.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is that that I've uh left out, Virgin?
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'd just say if you feel any twinges, if your spider sensors start tingling at any point, just get yourself out of there.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you do what you haven't even got to make your apology, is just slide out.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're weird.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're not you're not there for you're not there to take chances.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: And if your spiny sensors are uh aren't on par and you you've got a bad feeling, then go with them.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, yeah.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um I think single females have got good spire centres actually.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if they do keep their heads screwed on, you know, we've known some single females either all like giddy and excited, and then they might agree to do things that they might not have done in other circumstances, it might not have gone wrong.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: But after they're like that, oh didn't really plan to do that, but mm.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, in general, you know, I find that females have got their head screwed on, you know.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_02: So the other thing I was gonna say, actually, some people say at house parties because you've been invited, there's more of an expectation to take part.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say so.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: We felt that.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, when you go to a club, you pay to go in, you show your ID, there's tons of other people there, and it's up to you.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: You can go for a social every single time if you want and just drink at the bar and watch other people do what they're doing.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_02: You've never even got to get your clothes off.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's never an expectation.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_02: But when you've been invited to a house party where there could be 20, 30, 40 people, or been specifically invited.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oftentimes you do pay to go for overheads because sometimes you'll hire somewhere for the party.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes the house, but they'll uh you'll you'll pay towards food and alcohol, that kind of thing.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: But because you've been invited, you feel like oh I need to take parts because I'm one of five single females or I'm I'm one of ten couples or whatever, and you feel like you need to put house because you've been invited.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the house of the party should not make you feel like that.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_02: And if the good house they'll say, look, just we just want you there, we love your company, just come along.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: But if at any point you feel like you've been invited and you're a commodity because you're a single female, especially, don't go.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because we've heard of some parties where single females are invited along, and you come to our party.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_02: There's an expectation, there's like 10 guys lined off have been told that the single female is gonna put out.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: So just be safe, be careful, and you'll have a great, great time, like you would do at a club.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_02: Just apply the same rules, really, isn't it, Jim?
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely, the same rules and the same common sense.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say always.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_02: Right, we're gonna finish on a fetish factoid.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_02: And it involves one of my favourite things.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: One of your favourite things you don't want to go do.
• 59:33
  unknown: Okay.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: One of your favourite things.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've got a few like I can dive old.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: You can, but I can cut it out.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: Life wouldn't be worth living.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: If we were live, that would be a different matter.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: So do you know the muffin man?
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_02: The muffin man.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know the origin of the word?
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_02: What's my favourite word, Jim?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_02: What's my favourite expletive?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_02: Cont Yes, so do you know the origin of the word cunt?
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: But it's escaped you.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's escaped me.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so there's some listeners out there, especially in the United States, who are probably going, Vicky!
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: Shocked and stunned.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: She said the word cunt loudly.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_02: Others out there would be like, Yes, you called.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because the word means different things in different countries.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_02: We all know it's an expletive, but it's got different levels of offensiveness depending on where you're from.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: But where did it come from?
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, we refer to the female genitalia as a cunt.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: Often people think it's because um it comes from a goddess name.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing to do with goddesses, Greeks, nothing like that at all.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing like that at all.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: So it's sort of like um uh an abbreviated form of a different word which got basticized into cunt.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we know, we know that actually um the word cunt is Middle English, Middle English, can't say the word.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_02: Middle English, kunta, so c-n-t-e.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_02: Related to Germanic words, um, with which is cunt with a K, K-U-N-T-E, referring to the female genitals.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_02: So unfortunately, it's not to do with goddesses, it's none of those things, it is a Germanic um spin-off, if you like.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: So there are theories connecting deeper roots, ancient roots, actually, um, but nothing is confirmed.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_02: So unfortunately, it's not as interesting as we thought, but there's some interesting things before the word became offensive.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is where I wanted to get to.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just a normal word for a fanny.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a cunt.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: Just a cunt.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't offensive.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: People weren't calling you the cunt.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: It was just like, oh god, I've got a sweaty content.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's where that's it.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the same now, I don't say sweaty cunt.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, but people would refer to you know what I mean, or you know, just in general.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, well, not delightful, because I haven't got a content.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'd say a sweaty fanny.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, no.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't really use the word in that way, do I?
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: Cunt.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's our our friend Alex.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_02: The more she gets pissed, the posher her cunt gets.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_02: She says cunt, and then when she's had a few bottles of wine, cunt.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the origins aren't that interesting, but why did it become offensive?
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's a linguistic thing that has been um changed through time.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_02: So the the word cunt that has not changed with the meaning in dictionaries and how it's been passed down.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's changed because cut was used in um medieval times.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, it eventually got used by um people that used sex workers.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: And it was became a vulgar term.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_02: So um I can't remember some of the terms now, but you know, we're not very nice things about the prostitutes and and their cunt, yeah, basically.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I found this little fact.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: There used to be a street in Oxford around 12:30.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is how far we're going back when the word cunt actually wasn't offensive, yeah.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it was called Grope Cunt Lane.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly how it's said, Grope Cunt Lane, and apparently that wasn't in Oxford alone.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's variations of Grope Cunt Lane appearing in cities and towns right across the country, including London, York, Bristol, Norwich, Shrewsbury, Worcester, Wells, and loads of other different places.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_02: There's at least 20 different Grope Cunt lanes in history.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_01: Is there one in Liverpool?
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_02: Going back to what I was saying before, why was it called Grope Cunt Lane?
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: Back then, and still now, but especially back then, medieval streets were frequently named after whatever happened, were Fish Street, Fishhmongers, Silver Streets, Silver Workers, Swine Gate.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: There's quite a lot of those.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: Those abattoirs.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_02: Grope cunt lane, have a fucking guess.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: Sex workers on the streets, red light district.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_02: Not making that up.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_02: So um Oxford's modern magpie lane um had a reputation for prostitution back in the 13th century, and that's why it was called Grope Cunt Lane.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then only through time has it actually changed to Magpie Lane.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_02: Then other grope cunt lanes, one became Grope Lane.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_02: Grape Lane and Grove Lane.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: There's no grope cunt lanes around anymore, unfortunately.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_02: But Shrewsbury does still have a grope lane.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: I can imagine what happens down Grope Lane.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: We'll have to go and have a look.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we will do, yeah.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: Grope cunt lane, absolutely brilliant.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_02: So apparently, uh the word cunt was used by uh Chaucer.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he put it in there.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_02: Chaucer uses Quente in the Miller's table.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_02: And quente is a variation of cunt.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's different forms used in lots of forms of literature.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, cunt, counte, quente, and cunt with a k.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_02: Loads of times in literature.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_02: Slightly different pronunciations depending on the dialects and the language and everything, but yeah.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_02: So over time the word has become increasingly taboo.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: I draw down to these sex workers and grope cunt lane.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: So people were starting to throw the word cunt, you smelly cunt.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_02: As an intent.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_02: Dirty cunt.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so people caught onto it then and were like, hmm, that's actually a really good word.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's a dirty word because it's associated with sex workers who weren't clean.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, unfortunately, they were the lowest of the low, and they were seen as like almost vermin to some anyway.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so to use the word cunt uh in reference to them and then throw it to somebody else would be really highly, highly, highly offensive.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's how it became more offensive.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just morphed and morphed.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_02: It appeared in the Webster's uh third new international dictionary in 1961, labelled obscene.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it appeared in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1972.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't appear until then.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely mad.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: So apparently in the United States, calling a woman a cunt is generally really offensive.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now, do you remember on the cruise we were talking to the guy in the pub?
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_02: His wife was in the room every single night.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't want to come down, did she?
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually said cunt on his face was like, Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I said it a few more times than you said it.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: And he was laughing.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_02: And he was a bit more streetwise, wasn't he?
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think he was like an office guy, I think.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, I just need to say, he says, you know, if you're in America and you were saying the word cunt so often, it'd be really, really offensive.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, I think I said, Well, it's a good job not in America then.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, But you know, it's fine, I don't mind.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: And again, I'm thinking, well, don't care anyway, you know.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm on my holidays.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in an adult bar over 18, so I'll say cunt if I want to, I'll just say it loud.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_02: But he was really sound, wasn't he?
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_02: Really great.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I didn't realise until that time how offensive that word was in America.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's especially offensive when you target it at women.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's seen as like disparaging and obscene and stuff like that.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_02: And obviously, over time we've started calling men cunts as well, not just women.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_02: And we've started calling our friends cunts as well.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_02: And this started mainly in Australia, yeah, but came over here as well pretty quickly.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's one the same, really, to be honest with you.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, Australians and New Zealanders um have developed uh a great way of saying the word cunt in a tone that can just change the meaning completely.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_02: Scousers do that, don't we can do it now as well.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, like I said before, oh you're dirty cunt.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, even my face, the way I've said it, oh, you're dirty cunt.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's offensive.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_02: But like, you know, like if you bring me up a cream cake to go with me a cup of tea.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you soft cunt.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you soft cunt.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, thanks for that, love.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks thinking of me.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you daff cunt.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's alright.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's the sort of thing you say, isn't it?
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: Australians do the same thing.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's funny actually, because when why am I talking about RuPaul's drag race?
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_02: Here we are.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_02: When you watch RuPaul's drag race, when you watch the US version, they don't really say cunt very much.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_02: They do say um charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_02: Cunt.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: They say serving cunt.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but they don't really say the word very often.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: In Australia, the panel say, yeah, quite a lot.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_02: There's a guy on there and he said it quite a lot.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_02: And uh in the UK, I've I've heard some of the drag queens say it on stage.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's natural language in a lot of places, but it's uni i it it's it's got diversity, you can apply it to any sort of conversation from being an angry conversation to a funny one.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's a tone of voice, yeah, isn't it?
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the tone of voice and how you put it across.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not at all.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's the tone that makes it offensive.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if I was to say it in Tesco in the queue, you'd probably get a few people turn around, but you you don't do you, you know, you curb your language for public and all that, you save that sort of language for your friends, like our friend on the podcast.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you're not gonna say it anywhere and everywhere, are you?
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: You choose where you say us.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but um, Australians absolutely love the word cunt, they say us all the time.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_02: Then there's Wales, the Welsh equivalent is cunt, and in some communities it's used much more casually around carnar, for example, expressions such as am I gonna say this right?
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Welsh is out there, they're gonna kill me now.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, I own cunt, I'm gonna spell it I-A-W-N.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_02: I own cont.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, basically that's like, all right, mate.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna say i own cunt, i own cont, we could be wrong, i-a-w-n.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_02: That basically means you're right, mate.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_02: But cunt is cunt.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it's very, very casual around the carving area.
• 1:11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's just it's just nuts, isn't it?
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_02: How casual that is.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, maybe some of the workers out there be like, maybe not.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe we've made that up, but I don't know.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe the older ones.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I won't go into how it's said those different languages.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: There's a few here.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh cut in Dutch, uh, cono, I think, in Spanish.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I've all also, do you remember ages ago?
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, probably about episode 17 or something, I did uh the wrath of the cunt.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I can remember you doing it, can't remember.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_02: And that was based on the Scandinavian uh word for cunt, which is uh fita and vitu.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's it, yeah.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_02: About the women flashing the fandangos towards evil.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, from the crops and all that kind of thing, yeah.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_02: Very great.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and just before we finish, unsurprisingly, in UAE, there's stricter rules around obscene language.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Go away.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_02: British government travel advice has repeatedly warned travellers that swearing and make it rude gestures are considered considered obscene acts in the UAE and can lead to legal consequences.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_02: So, and Dubai, it's just not a location to be using the word cunt.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I don't want to go anyway because they don't treat the women grace, and the LGBT laws are non-existent.
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_02: So they're not gonna get my well hard-earned cash.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sells people knows countries, but if you're female, you probably get it.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right, so we're gonna leave it there on that cunty bon show.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I've said the word cunt so much in one episode.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there we go.
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Cunt, cunt, cunt.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's your face, the little that you get on Facebook's gonna go down the path.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Gone.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's YouTube more than anything.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_02: They don't like bad language, yeah.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh done.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but now that I'm doing uh little snippets of the coming episode in the intro, I try and make sure there's no sweary words in the first seven seconds.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_02: So now I'm hopefully I'm gonna earn about 10 pence an episode.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_02: For all you out there who are interested, in the three years nearly that I've been doing this, I've earned nearly£100 on YouTube because um I can't earn money because the content, because I swear too much, it's adult content, and advertisers um don't want to work with me.
• 1:13:37
  SPEAKER_02: As you all know, I don't want to use advertisers anyway.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I say content too much.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna go.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to do the thing?
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you pinch listening, put the kettle on.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see you in five.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: If not, we'll see you next week.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_01: See, we would have fucked that up because of a soft content.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_01: See you soon.