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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Fouel Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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  Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always as a man who has
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  Speaker 1: zero career ejections from the Breslent Center.
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  Speaker 2: But he he's working on it. He is Cody Savinagg
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  Speaker 2: and how you doing.
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  Speaker 3: You're doing all right here? And I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was at that game actually with my girlfriend and
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  Speaker 4: you know, we were sitting in the upper level and
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  Speaker 4: when Paul Davis got ejected, I had no idea what
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  Speaker 4: was going on. There were just a bunch of people
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  Speaker 4: yelling and then some tall guy got up and left.
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  Speaker 4: So it wasn't until after the game I found out
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  Speaker 4: that was Paul david is getting ejected.
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  Speaker 3: That was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, that was a shout That was a shout
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  Speaker 1: out to my childhood.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that five team or yeah, five team, very
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  Speaker 1: very well, and I think it was probably just an
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  Speaker 1: official being upset that he got duped into calling somebody
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  Speaker 1: fouls that Paul Davis drew back in the day because
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  Speaker 1: the man was a was a post master back in
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  Speaker 1: the day and also great actor in a gatory commercial
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  Speaker 1: starting a young Dwayne.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, so all right, that was fun.
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  Speaker 1: Glad you got to see something pretty unique that everyone
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  Speaker 1: was talking about. In the day of sports, We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about things not as interesting but just as fun.
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  Speaker 1: I think because the Tigers we are in the year
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, this roster is starting to take shape
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: I have been getting questions and I.
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  Speaker 3: Have a roster and been in the same shape pretty
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  Speaker 3: much this whole time. He really kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But we did at least get a resolution in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the Jay Hen situation because that I had kind
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  Speaker 1: of been hanging around, you know, I've been getting a
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  Speaker 1: couple of dms like, hey, what's going on here? And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't have an answer, and I actually
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  Speaker 1: meant to ask you of you to hear anything. And
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  Speaker 1: then come to find out that they're, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: as as is often the case, they're looking for some
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  Speaker 1: trade partners and and Jay Hen is going to the
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  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays for the all the very famous cash
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  Speaker 1: consider ration. So the era is officially closed on Jay hennonstry.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously he had been defeat I believe before Christmas, but
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  Speaker 1: now the move is official. He is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a member of the Tampa Bay race for cash considerations,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, I can't say. I feel great when
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  Speaker 1: the Rays are like, yeah, sure we'll take a chance
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  Speaker 1: on this guy that you don't have room for on
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  Speaker 1: your roster.
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  Speaker 2: But but now now we have, like I said, a resolution, Cody.
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  Speaker 4: N Yeah, I'm telling you, man, I'm not surprised he
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  Speaker 4: went to a quote unquote smart team. But at least
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't the Guardians. At least it wasn't the Royals.
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  Speaker 4: At least you know, you're you're not gonna have to
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  Speaker 4: see him on such a regular basis. If he were
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  Speaker 4: to be able to put things together and get some
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  Speaker 4: playing time in Tampa, we'll see again. How are the
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  Speaker 4: Rays going to value his defense? Or will they give
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  Speaker 4: him d H at bats?
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  Speaker 3: That was the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that it wasn't that it was that
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers didn't value him as that they just weren't
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  Speaker 4: playing him. There wasn't really a spot for him. But
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  Speaker 4: the fact he was traded tells you there was some
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  Speaker 4: interest from across the league. Now, the fact all they
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  Speaker 4: got was a cash consideration rather than I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe some flyer relief pitcher or something tells me maybe
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't heated interest multiple teams trying to trade for
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  Speaker 4: him rather than be subjected to waiver order. But for
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  Speaker 4: whatever it's worth, there was enough interest that you got
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  Speaker 4: a little something in return, a little chunk of change,
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  Speaker 4: maybe you can use to buy some new fancy equipment
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  Speaker 4: or whatever teams do with all the glorious cash considerations
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  Speaker 4: they get. I'm wishing justin Henry mulloy the best of
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  Speaker 4: luck in Tampa. I do think he's a fun guy,
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  Speaker 4: has the potential to be a really good player. We'll
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  Speaker 4: be super interesting to see what he does next season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he also, you know, had a nice little
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  Speaker 1: post on Instagram, classy, you know, thank hes to the
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  Speaker 1: city and all that stuff. So that's cool and you know,
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  Speaker 1: like not breaking any news here or this is not
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  Speaker 1: a very unique opinion, but there's the guy is gonna
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  Speaker 1: have moments in the big leagues. He already has had moments,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the big leagues, but now that he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be on you know, another team or teams, depending
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  Speaker 1: on you know.
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  Speaker 2: How long he plays.
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  Speaker 1: Like there are times Josh Harrison was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: beating the Tigers, you know what I mean post his
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  Speaker 1: time like with the team, and it's like where did
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  Speaker 1: this come from?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: And so like Jayhn gonna be happy for him, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm also gonna be a little bitter if he like
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  Speaker 1: a guy that all of a sudden he gets regular
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  Speaker 1: at bats, if this is the case, gets regular at
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  Speaker 1: bats and kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of able to Josh Harrison's on the Foul Territory network.
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  Speaker 4: Now he's on a Bucco territory. Jahan would Jahan would
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  Speaker 4: be great on a podcast someday. Maybe that's why most
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  Speaker 4: bombs his time with the Tigers is over, because I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if he can he can do a Tigers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Well we'll see. They never never say never on that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe in year ten of Tiger Territory, we get we
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  Speaker 1: get Jay hen On. So after a long, illustrious major
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  Speaker 1: league career, he decides to to join the ranks of podcasting.
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  Speaker 1: All right, other news, Cody, the Tigers made you know
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  Speaker 1: a couple of moves, but I think the most notable
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  Speaker 1: was bringing in right handed reliever Scott e.
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  Speaker 2: Fross. Is how I'm going to go with that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a minor league deal with an invite to
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  Speaker 1: spring training his major league salary would be a hair
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  Speaker 1: under one million dollars, so obviously not expensive, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: not nothing either, and he does, per Evan Petzel, he
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  Speaker 1: does have an option remaining. So this is a guy
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  Speaker 1: that I I would anticipate Scott Harris, who you know,
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  Speaker 1: has been they've been a part of the same organization
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  Speaker 1: before in Chicago, this is a guy that I would anticipate
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  Speaker 1: a scene go up and down a handful of times
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  Speaker 1: over the course of the season. So it just just
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  Speaker 1: feels like perfect per Everything lines up for this guy
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  Speaker 1: to make like five or six like trips up the
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  Speaker 1: highway there. So that's that's my take. You look at
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  Speaker 1: his his numbers, some his metrics, like he's a side
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  Speaker 1: he's a sideways thrower, and he's pretty good at in theory,
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  Speaker 1: his skill set is that that he doesn't allow a
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  Speaker 1: lot of hard contact. He doesn't allow like a high
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  Speaker 1: barrel rate, like he is good at limiting damage. But
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  Speaker 1: he has obviously not been as consistent. He's thirty two
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  Speaker 1: years old, I believe, so not as consistent as U
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  Speaker 1: as he was or earlier in his career.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's been pretty bad since twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 4: Which was a long time ago. Uh, you know, he
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  Speaker 4: had a five to four oer in well, he only
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  Speaker 4: threw three major league innings. In twenty twenty four and
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty five he threw ten major league innings.
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  Speaker 3: He kind of got rocked.
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  Speaker 4: He's hardly pitched in the major leagues since twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 4: and when he has it has not been good. He
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  Speaker 4: does not strike out anyone. But the reason we're talking
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  Speaker 4: about this is because it is kind of, I think
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  Speaker 4: important in terms of the way the Tigers are construct
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  Speaker 4: their bullpen. I normally don't pay a lot of attention
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  Speaker 4: to minor league deals. I don't write stories off minor
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  Speaker 4: league deals, but it's part of the Tigers' philosophy and
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  Speaker 4: constructing this bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: They got a sidewinding type in e.
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  Speaker 4: Frost probably is kind of a de facto Chase Lee replacement.
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  Speaker 4: The Tigers are intentional in collecting guys with a lot
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  Speaker 4: of different looks because you never know when that might
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  Speaker 4: prove useful. They want a bullpen that can kind of
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  Speaker 4: keep opponents off guard, or have different arms that can
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  Speaker 4: attack a wide variety of hitters, or maybe certain pockets
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  Speaker 4: of hitters that might struggle with a profile like that,
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  Speaker 4: and I think in building this bullpen look, they've made
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  Speaker 4: the major league signings Kyle Finnegan, kin Lee Jansen. A
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  Speaker 4: big part of what they're also doing is basically playing
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  Speaker 4: the volume game, basically throwing a bunch of stuff at
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  Speaker 4: the wall and hoping a couple of these guys stick.
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  Speaker 4: They've got some other guys in their system, the Bailey
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  Speaker 4: Horns that maybe are something, maybe not. They've signed other
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  Speaker 4: guys to minor league deals, bringing back Tyler Madison, Kolewait,
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  Speaker 4: Jack Little, bringing back Sean Gunther. Those are just among
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  Speaker 4: some of the guys they've they've re upped with this offseason,
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  Speaker 4: Tanner Rainey, and that is all very intentional, I think,
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  Speaker 4: with the intent that several of these guys will end
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  Speaker 4: up being the seventh or eighth guy in the bullpen
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  Speaker 4: at some point this season.
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  Speaker 3: Because you can't guarantee health.
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  Speaker 4: You can do everything you want in the bullpen, but
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  Speaker 4: bullpens are volatile by nature, So I think the Tigers
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  Speaker 4: want a ton of options, some of the different types
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  Speaker 4: of options, rather than spending to construct a huge bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: LA Dodgers spins on their bullpen last year and by
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  Speaker 4: the tail end of the regular season basically had no bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: This is kind of the Tigers counter approach, or more
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  Speaker 4: of an economical approach.
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  Speaker 3: It's to get a volume of different arms.
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  Speaker 4: And Scott Fross is one of the more notable because
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  Speaker 4: he was pretty good for the Yankees in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: one twenty twenty two. I don't know, you know that
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  Speaker 4: I'm optimistic about him returning to that level, but I
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  Speaker 4: see why they have brought him into the organization.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Like the way I.
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  Speaker 1: Look at it in in my head to like summarize
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  Speaker 1: it is, I feel like the Tigers' pitching department wants
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  Speaker 1: to be a long scout And what I mean by
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  Speaker 1: that is like the opposing team and you know, everybody
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  Speaker 1: else has infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: But most teams have a detailed infrastructure which they scout
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  Speaker 1: you know, scout chart and like have like you know,
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  Speaker 1: reports on how to attack these you know, the these pictures,
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  Speaker 1: and the Tigers want to have as many pages. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably all digital now, but like that notebook, the metaphorical
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  Speaker 1: notebook to be very thick. And then like when you
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  Speaker 1: bring in like an f Ross in a situation where
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  Speaker 1: he just got called up a Bailey horn where he
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  Speaker 1: he's probably only gonna be there for you know, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days, and it's and it's gonna create a
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  Speaker 1: more imbalanced look than just like all right, here's Finn
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  Speaker 1: again again, here's Jansen again.
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  Speaker 2: You know here, here's will Vest again.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're the the forward way is what you said
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  Speaker 1: about having as many bites at the apple thrown as
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  Speaker 1: much stuff at the wall as see what sticks. But
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  Speaker 1: the back end of that is that it makes you
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  Speaker 1: a longer scout to have on a you know, on
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  Speaker 1: a weekend basis, a midweek basis for guys. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's I think I do believe that's intentional as
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  Speaker 1: well as like they know that the hitting coordinators and
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  Speaker 1: the hitting department they're gonna be very big. They want
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  Speaker 1: those guys to be or women to be very busy
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  Speaker 1: in preparing for the Tigers for every little situation.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's part of it too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably part of it.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting because chances are all these dudes, all these
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  Speaker 4: names we've just listened off, like or any of them
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  Speaker 4: gonna be worth more than like zero point two war
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  Speaker 4: next season. The chances are really limb, but pitchers like
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  Speaker 4: this at the same time are important.
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  Speaker 3: I think GA J. Hinch values these guys.
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  Speaker 4: These guys probably aren't going to pitch leverage innings, they
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  Speaker 4: might not pitch when the team has the lead, but
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  Speaker 4: you have to get serviceable performance from the front end
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  Speaker 4: of your bullpen, from the sixth, seventh, eighth guy in
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  Speaker 4: your bullpen, to get through a season, to keep some
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  Speaker 4: of those losses close, to keep the vest Finnegan Janssen's
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  Speaker 4: fresh and healthy. So it's a weird thing, and I
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  Speaker 4: understand why you wouldn't really want to pay for guys
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  Speaker 4: like that, but it is important to get production from
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  Speaker 4: guys like that, And honestly, that was a part of
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers failings last year. Guys they had high hopes for,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, Chase Leath actually threw some
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  Speaker 4: very good innings, and then when.
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  Speaker 3: It got ugly, it got ugly.
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  Speaker 4: A guy like Tyler Owens they were pretty high on
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  Speaker 4: in spring training. He's no longer even in the system.
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  Speaker 4: Some of those guys they were hoping would stick last
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  Speaker 4: year I think didn't quite stick. Dylan Smith, who's stint
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  Speaker 4: in the Big Leaves was very short, and then had
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  Speaker 4: an injury, but I think you need a little more
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  Speaker 4: stickiness from those types of guys this season if you
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  Speaker 4: want to kind of resurrect your pitching staff to being
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  Speaker 4: one of the best in the league.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, we spend a handful of minutes there.
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  Speaker 1: It's obviously it's related to f Frost, but it's not.
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  Speaker 1: It's also not directly related to him. But one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why we can kind of zero in and
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  Speaker 1: kind of velocifize a little bit is that there hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been that many moves, and there's also not been that
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  Speaker 1: many moves in free agency periods. I did want to
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: spend like a couple of minutes on this because this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of like a broader baseball topic. It does
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like a slower, maybe a less efficient
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  Speaker 1: offseason than we're used to. Again, broadly speaking all teams,
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  Speaker 1: not just the Tigers. And to throw in a familiar name,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Alex Bregman, he got reported Tuesday, Monday or
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday that like he basically has the offer that Tigers
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  Speaker 1: you know, offered him last season from the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 1: Now like he has let you know, reportedly has that
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  Speaker 1: on the table and he's like sitting on it, and
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  Speaker 1: to me, that just that that if there's not an
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  Speaker 1: example of this being a solo offseason, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what is Like the deal he almost took last year,
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  Speaker 1: he's a year older, he's not taking this year, And
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  Speaker 1: then there has been nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like on Cody Bellinger, havn't.
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  Speaker 1: Really heard a whole lot about Baschett having almost said
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  Speaker 1: Dante bo Baschett, and then even even Kyle Tucker like
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  Speaker 1: it just it just feels like a lot of kind
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  Speaker 1: of waiting around. It feels very slow. It feels very slow,
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  Speaker 1: and the Regmann piece might be the ultimate example of that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think it's been slow every year
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  Speaker 4: since I've been doing this, with the exception of twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty when there was a lockout, and that's a defective
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  Speaker 4: signing deadline. I'm not optimistic that the next MLB labor
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  Speaker 4: deal is going to have some sort of signing deadlines.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think the union wants it.
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  Speaker 4: It'll suppress wages, you know, though I'm not sure that's
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  Speaker 4: the case.
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  Speaker 3: But what we're left with is this. I do think it's.
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  Speaker 4: Been more slower, boring, whatever you want to whatever word
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  Speaker 4: you want to use even than last offseason, maybe just
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  Speaker 4: because in Tiger's land we were all glued on Bregmann.
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  Speaker 3: Watch a little closer.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like the amount of big moves has
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  Speaker 4: been pretty small. There are some big dominoes still coming
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  Speaker 4: still to fall. The trade market hasn't really been all
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  Speaker 4: that exciting. The biggest name on the block is Schooble
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  Speaker 4: and something changes. It doesn't sound like he's moving, so
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  Speaker 4: we're just left with this. We're sitting here, it's January.
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  Speaker 4: It's a weird time in the calendar, and I think
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  Speaker 4: agents have learned that there's no need to act if
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to.
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  Speaker 3: There is no deadline.
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  Speaker 4: You can take this thing up to spring training and
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  Speaker 4: see if someone else gets desperate, you know which is
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  Speaker 4: a player would drive me crazy. I'd be like, just
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  Speaker 4: just sign me to you know, get me signed somewhere
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  Speaker 4: so I know where I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: But I think agents are advising.
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  Speaker 4: Guys to just wait it out, see what happens, because
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  Speaker 4: that finally puts some pressure on teams to get their
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: rosters together before spring training. We're getting closer some movement
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  Speaker 4: with Tucker Bregman's market. I think we at least have
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  Speaker 4: an idea what it is. It's crazy how no one
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  Speaker 4: seems to have much of a feel on the boba
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  Speaker 4: shep market, and I'll be fascinated to see how that
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  Speaker 4: one plays out. Meanwhile, on Tiger's Land, doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 4: they're going to do much much of anything of substance.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they could have like another pitcher, or maybe they're
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  Speaker 4: just going to be content getting guys on.
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  Speaker 3: Minor league deals.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not real sure, but that's where we are. It's
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  Speaker 4: certainly not all that exciting right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to illustrate what we're talking about, the Athletic has
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  Speaker 1: a big board of you know, the top top fifty
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  Speaker 1: free agents. Six of the top nine are unsigned and
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  Speaker 1: twenty of the fifty are on sign So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: You could literally make make a pretty good team based
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  Speaker 1: on the unsigned free agents.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wait, the Athletic did that too, so we want
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  Speaker 2: to check that out on the Athletic. You you can't.
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  Speaker 1: But all that coding brings us to our not sponsored
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  Speaker 1: but contractually obligated Tarrek schoobl update, And as is tradition,
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  Speaker 1: we have new information that is also old information. This
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  Speaker 1: comes courtesy of Buster Only. Buster Only and I'm very
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  Speaker 1: close to direct quoting him here. The expectation within the
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  Speaker 1: organization is that Schooble will be in Tiger's camp at
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the onset of spring training. He also said that the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Tigers quote set a very high price tag for any
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Terech school trade talks. So the expectations within the organization
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: is at school will be at Lakeland at the onset
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of camp. Maybe out the middle, maybe not three quarters. Yeah,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: maybe at the end that the onset of spring training,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Schoogle will be in Tigers camp.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So there you go. There's our update, Cody.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Any thoughts, Uh No, Like I just told you, I
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: don't think he's going unless something changes, which we can
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: leave that door open all day long.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I will say that this is all internet speculation, but
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: it does seem to have a little bit of.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Smoke to it.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Could Trek Schooble, could be the athlete, could be the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: cover athlete for MLB the show.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, now that's kind of fun. I've seen the pictures
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: out there. It's interesting, right, it's based on the twenty
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: six is orange. We got a blue background on the website.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: The internet thinks it's got to be either Scooble or
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: someone from the Mets won Soto a Lindoor. That orange
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: looks a little more like a Tigers orange to me,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: So that'll be a fun reveal. That'll be something to follow.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I think it'd be awesome if Scooble ended up on
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: the cover of the game. He's obviously done a good
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: job promoting himself, branding himself, not in like an egotistical way,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: like he's remained very authentic through it from what I
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: can tell. So I think it'd be cool if Scooble
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: ends up on the cover. We'll see on that one.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I uh, with respect to Lindor and Sodo, I would
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: actually be kind of upset if after like an historic
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: collapse that resulted in no postseason uh, and a team
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: that is in straight turmoil in terms of, like, you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: being in the news for all the wrong reasons, you
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: get somebody on from that squad the East Coast byas
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: thing could not be could not be clear if that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: would If that's the case, So that's all I'll say
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: All right, it's a board When the last time a
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Boris client was on the cover of MLB the show,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: that's my question, Harper, that was probably Harper, which was
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. Vlad Junior's not justism. I'm not sure. I
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: don't think so show Hey, no Tatis, it's Tatis. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: don't know Baias no Harper. Yes, Soto and scooball are
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: both Boris clients. Does Boris like to engage with Sony?
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's the real question here.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Tatis is not and.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Francisco Lindor is not a Boris client.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So maybe there's something there. Maybe he just uncovers something
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's why we pay you the big bucks, Cody, Uh,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I did? I did find this interesting. So I like
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: looking at team over unders like and kind of tracking
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: how they move and how the market moves around them.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: When you know when transactions are made, when you know
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: when Bregman signs with whoever he signs with, like, there
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: could be some movement in the markets. But as of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: early January, as of January sixth, the Tigers have at
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: least one available win total over under that I did
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: want to just mention because I did find it interesting.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: So the Tigers have the this is a corn the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: bed online. The Tigers have the highest win total over
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: under number put out there at eighty six and a half,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and I'll read the rest of the division Royals eighty
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: one and a half, Guardians eighty and a half, Twins
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: seventy one and a half, White Sox sixty three and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a half. So again, just to reiterate, that's a five
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: game gap from this one from this one odds maker
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: between the Tigers in first place and second place Royals
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: in terms of just an over under number to put
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: out there. And we're not giving any this want to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: be clear, we're not giving any advice, skinny gambling advice.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: But I did want.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: To mention it because I thought it was interesting that
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the Tigers A were number one and B were so
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: clearly number one on this list that like, it makes
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you think the market expects them to have a distinct
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: possibility of comfortably winning that division.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's surprising to me, especially given kind
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: of other stuff we've seen out there since the end
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of last season. I kind of would have expected, I
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: don't know, Tigers, Royals both there at eighty four, Guardians
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: eighty two, maybe even.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: The Twins a little higher, just kind of all jumbled
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: in the middle.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: That that that makes me wonder if the books know something.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they do, but yeah, well, well I like
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to bring that up, so like the next time there's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: any sort of movement, I'll make note of it because
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I do think it is interesting.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: They're not the interest of losing money now.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: The books, So I'll just read a couple interesting ones
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: from the American League, not going to go through them all,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: but the Red Side eighty seven and a half. The
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yankees lead that division at ninety three and a half,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Seattle ninety and a half, Houston eighty four and a half,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: so that's obviously a gap there too. The Texas Rangers
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the perfect eighty three and a half number, just just
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a hair above above five hundred there, So a.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Largely competitive al central. It's like what we expect.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: We expect it to be, like the Tigers have a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: good chance of winning that division, but there's gonna be
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: some there's gonna be some jumbling. But again, a bigger
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: gap than I thought. Toronto ninety one and a half,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: just two back of the Blue Jays, So just wanted.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: To make note of that.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Any other numbers come up, we'll make note of and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: look at other projections as we get closer to spring training.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: All right, it is the new year, Cody.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I hope everybody had a happy and healthy and safe
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: New Year's and you know college football watching watching experience
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and has has their their teams have survived the portal
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and all the drama that goes into into into that.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But it did get me thinking if if I had
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a New Year's resolution for the Tigers, like what would
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: it be? And there's like a couple of ways to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: attack this one. It was like, do you want to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: do like a lot of like small ones, like, you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: do better at this, you know, improve this area? It
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is it transactional? Is it just signed terror school? Is
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it trade terror school? Is it you know all these things.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I decided to go broad, like I I want, like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: my new Year's resolution for the Tigers is to form
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: your identity that you're really gonna have as an organization
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: moving forward.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: And could you say that every year?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but this is the most opportune and I would
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: argue kind of vital time to do that with the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: aforementioned Tek Schoogle situation, with the fact that you're back
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to back years game five in the in the Alds
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and you, as we just said, you're in a very
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: winnable division wouldn't in the division wouldn't be a bad
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: resolution neither, mind you. But I do think the Tigers
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: on the field are pretty firm and like what they
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: believe their identity is fetching chaos matchups, you know, the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: pinch hitting, use of the you know all twenty five
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: for twenty seven, you know all that stuff. But I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: think organizationally, this is the opportunity to really like cement
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: your identity because you have young players that are either
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: knocking on the door or gonna have to be right there.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: You have to prove that you can develop guys that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: go from you know here to here and then probably
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the hardest step here, you know, the you know third
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: level there, like guys like Riley, guys like Carry, even
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you know Torkalsen to a certain extent.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And and are you going to be.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: A team that just tries to get these guys young
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and put some you know, ship them out for the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: highest return on investment. Are you going to relatively go
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: for it every year without tripping up your future or
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be cheap we all, or are you going
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to be really really expensive? We can probably roll that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: one out, But like whatever, move is made, will form
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the identity. So I want a properly formed organizational identity
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty six.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: That's my resolution.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Well, that's that's certainly a good one.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: I worry either telling you their identity right now and
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: the way they've handled the trade deadline this offseason, the
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Scoople situation, which is that their identity is no it is.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: It is a firm identity they've shown through their actions
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: so far. It's letting it ride. Definitely being a develop
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: mental based organization all about player development. They're not totally
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: being small market you know, the guard Guardians, Rays Brewers.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: They're not trading guys at peak value, but they're certainly
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: not going aggressive to spend either. It's not quite thread
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: the needle, because I think thread the needle can involve
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: like adding and subtracting, But it's totally just letting things ride,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: letting things develop, really doubling down on your player development.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: I think so far they have a pretty firm identity.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I guess we'll see if any of that changes as
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: these players get a little more mature. For me, my
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: resolution here, like I think it relates to your on
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: field identity I think there are two things that really
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: stand out if the Tigers are going to win the
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: AL Central. Number one's pretty clear. It's not very unique.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: You got to strike out less. Tigers struck out more
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: than all but three other teams in Major League Baseball
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: last season.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: You cannot do that. That is not gonna work. It's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: not gonna work.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: They were lucky to get in last year, despite how
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: good they were in the first half.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: They can't do it. Whether you're Riley Green.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Or Spencer Torkelsen or other supporting cast members on this roster.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: They're going to have to be able to move the
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: ball forward a little bit more. Scott Harris has been
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: pretty clear about it. AJ Hinch has been very clear
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: about it. And as much as I kind of understand,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I love it, but I understand
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: why the Tigers have not tinkered with their position playing core.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I have a hard time seeing how they are going
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: to strike out at strike out less often, at any
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: sort of meaningful clip man, they strike out a little
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: bit less often, but you see it in profiles of
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: hitters all the time.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: You can change swing pass, you can change approach, you
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: can get more out of guys. It's hard to change
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: the fundamental profile of who certain hitters are. I fear
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: like they just have too many hitters with some swing
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: and miss in their game. On that note, fascinating stat
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I read in an ESPN article. They are only five
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: teams that have increased their run scoring in back to
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: back years. So only five teams have scored more runs
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four than they did in twenty twenty three,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and then more runs in twenty twenty five than they
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty four. The Tigers are one of
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: those teams, which actually a sign of growth, right They
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: went from being pretty bad to competitive. They've had some
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: young players already come up and improve.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: But to do this three years in a row, that
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: stat right there tells me that is a really, really
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: hard thing to do.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And one of the reasons I'm skeptical about the offense
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: now to put a bowl on this thing. The other resolution,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: you got to get back to your pitching identity, to
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: being a pitching factory, some of the bullpen stuff we
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: talked about earlier, getting those guys to stick, getting the
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: most out of some of your starters. There are always
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: going to be injuries, and you can't prevent it. But
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: the Tigers were seventeenth in tam Era last season. That's
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: another thing that's not going to given the offensive profiles.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Given the park you play in, you need to be
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: a top ten, if not top five, pitching staff, especially
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: when you have the raining site young winner, the raining
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: back to backside young winner.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: You have the best pitcher in the game. You got
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to get more.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: I think they can do this one because I think
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: results is pretty good. I think Jack Flaherty can be
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: better than he was last year. Casey Maiz was sad
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: last year. There's always going to be that part. Ken
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Mayes put it all together with a little more consistency
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: this season. The bullpen like, I don't know. I wish
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: they I would like to see more swing and miss,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: but Vess Finnigan, Jansen, Tyler Holten like you actually can
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: feel pretty good about the main components in the bullpen.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I think they can do this, but I think they
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: got to be a top ten pitching staff and at
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: least strike out less if they want to be able
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: to win the Al Central.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I like those too. I like those too. I think
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that you know compliment Henery baseball. I think that if
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you anticipate it might be harder to score more than
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: we did last year, you have to focus on the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: pitching aspect of it, or maybe even bank on it
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: as like, well that was that was our outlier, whereas
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe the offense is a little bit more
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: of a a stable variable then than than in other cases.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And then you throw in like all these young players,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and obviously they're not all young, but all these young
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: players and their strikeout profiles, you know, came up in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: like a different organizational structure. So I'm curious, and I
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna be having to track this for years,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: so it won't be decided in twenty twenty six. But
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I'm curious how the ones who all they know is
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the Harris regime, how that translates to strike zone, discipline,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: instinctual at bats and and.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: They've drafted guys who who grade out better in those
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: areas to begin with. So that's part of this team's
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: thinking right now. That's part of why they're not doing anything.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: That's part of why they believe so strongly in the
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: next wave of players.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yep, And as I always say, we'll see if it
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: works out for you. Do you guys have any Do
• 31:17
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• 31:20
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• 31:23
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