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The Kenny Report | 17 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying You Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to you for joining me here on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: I'm coming to you live from Adelaide tonight as both
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  Speaker 1: sides of politics, but especially the Coalition, focus on the
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  Speaker 1: state election here to see whether the rise of One
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  Speaker 1: Nation is real or it's overinflated by the opinion polls.
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  Speaker 1: I'll show you the scandals that have tormented the Liberals
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  Speaker 1: and I'll discuss one Nation's prospects with Editor at Large
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  Speaker 1: of The Advertiser Paul Starrick and later Premier Peter Malanowskis
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  Speaker 1: will join me live. Interest rates up again, the fuel
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  Speaker 1: crisis ongoing, and war on the Middle East raging. I'll
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  Speaker 1: give you an insight into how Labor's not dealing with it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll speak with coalition front benches Danteen and Ted
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  Speaker 1: O'Brien and Grace Thames. Latest outrage has drawn fire from Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Steven Senatiempo and Susio O'Brien will join me on that
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  Speaker 1: and plenty more. Let's get cracking this South Australian election
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday. Will people are already voting, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: early voting is well and truly underway. But the result
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  Speaker 1: we get on Saturday night is going to send a
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  Speaker 1: strong message around the country, mainly because it's the first
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  Speaker 1: real test of the newly resurgent one nation. Will their
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  Speaker 1: high polling numbers translate to the ballot box and if
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  Speaker 1: they do, how badly will that damage the Liberals and
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  Speaker 1: the Nationals? And should Labour be worried too? The South
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  Speaker 1: Australian Premier, Labour's Peter Malanowskis has nothing to fear for now.
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  Speaker 1: He has more than twice as many seats as the
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  Speaker 1: Liberals in Parliament. He's leading handsomely in the polls, and
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  Speaker 1: he's run a pretty effective and lively government that's bound
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  Speaker 1: to be returned for a second four year term. And
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  Speaker 1: over the past four years the Liberals have conspired to
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  Speaker 1: do all they can to make life easy not for
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  Speaker 1: voters but for the Labor Party. A series of scan
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  Speaker 1: has seen a procession of Liberal and former Liberal MPs
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  Speaker 1: before the courts. One Troy Bell has been jailed over
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  Speaker 1: fraud charges and his seat of Mount Gambia has been
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  Speaker 1: left vacant to be filled at this election. Another, Fraser Ellis,
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  Speaker 1: quit the Liberal Party following charges was convicted on numerous
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  Speaker 1: counts of deception and is now contesting the election as
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  Speaker 1: an independent while he appeals through the courts. Yet another MP,
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  Speaker 1: Nick McBride, quit the Liberals and is running as an
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  Speaker 1: independent while wearing an ankle bracelet, facing charges of domestic violence.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the most politically damaging of the lot,
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  Speaker 1: the man who took over as leader from Stephen Marshall
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  Speaker 1: after he lost in twenty twenty two, and that was
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  Speaker 1: David Spears. But get this, he quit the leadership and
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  Speaker 1: then was forced out of Parliament after footage emerged of
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  Speaker 1: him snorting drugs, prosecuted for supplying cocaine. Extraordinary stuff. Running
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  Speaker 1: through this term for the Liberals looks more like true
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  Speaker 1: crime than politics. But cop this just to make life
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  Speaker 1: even harder for the Liberals, their former leader Spears has
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  Speaker 1: bobbed up again. He's running at this election as an independent.
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  Speaker 1: David Spears, once leader of the Liberal Party who bowed
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  Speaker 1: out a bit of drugs disgrace, is launching a political comeback,
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  Speaker 1: confirming first with nine years, he'll try and win back
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  Speaker 1: his seat of black as an independent.
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  Speaker 3: He served the coastal seat for more than a decade
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  Speaker 3: before bowing out in August twenty twenty four. This vision
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  Speaker 3: then sealed his downfall. Spears later convicted for supplying drugs
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  Speaker 3: to people inside his home. How can the voters overcome
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  Speaker 3: supporting someone who's been convicted of drug supply.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I made mistakes. I was an idiot. An idiot,
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  Speaker 1: that's the least of it. Hey, what are I am
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  Speaker 1: here in South Australia? What about the brand damage to
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  Speaker 1: the Liberal Party and what about the legacy of a
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  Speaker 1: leader who was dealing coke? You simply couldn't make this
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  Speaker 1: stuff up. And the leader who succeeded Spears, Vincent Tazia,
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  Speaker 1: well he just up and quit three months out from
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  Speaker 1: this election. And the person who's ended up having to
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  Speaker 1: front this show and challenger confident government is Ashton Hern,
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  Speaker 1: a thirty five year old first term MP. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of politicians have been handed poisonous chalices over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Herne is the first in Australia to be handed a
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  Speaker 1: bad drug deal and a long list of criminal raps.
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  Speaker 1: But she's impressed many people with her determination and presentation.
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  Speaker 1: Even though the cause looks lost. The latest opinion poll
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  Speaker 1: has the Liberals failing to win even one in five
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  Speaker 1: votes across the state, with One Nation higher on twenty
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  Speaker 1: one percent, the Greens at eleven percent, and Labor for
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  Speaker 1: the first time dragged below forty percent, but still extremely comfortable,
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  Speaker 1: of course, especially with Green's preferences. So there are two
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  Speaker 1: big questions to be answered in this election result. Will
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  Speaker 1: the votes in the ballot boxes for One Nation match
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  Speaker 1: the high numbers of the opinion polls. If they do,
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  Speaker 1: the shock waves will shake federal politics to its core.
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  Speaker 1: And if that is the case, the second question will
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  Speaker 1: be super important. Do One Nation preferences flow stronger than
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  Speaker 1: normal to the coalition or will they spray preferences everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: leaving the coalition even more vulnerable. We'll find out on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night. When it comes to the cost of living
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  Speaker 1: and economic management, the federal government is in a world
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  Speaker 1: of pain, as are we. Of course, another interest rate
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  Speaker 1: rise hit today on the back of the government failing
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  Speaker 1: to defeat inflation the way they claim to have done,
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  Speaker 1: and this only makes things worse, of course, But I
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  Speaker 1: want to show you one of the reasons this government
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  Speaker 1: is failing on this stuff. The fuel crisis is real
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  Speaker 1: and short. We know it's been triggered by war in
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  Speaker 1: the Middle East. But it's the government's job to be
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  Speaker 1: ready and to act. But when I heard the Finance
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  Speaker 1: Minister on ABC Radio today, I was left scratching my head.
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  Speaker 1: Katie Gallagher was asked if the government was considering any
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  Speaker 1: new measures to get fuel where it's needed.
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  Speaker 4: So the government's meeting constantly are both the National Security
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  Speaker 4: Committee very frequently and all our mechanisms across government, so
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  Speaker 4: the National Coordination mechanism. Ministers are undertaking individual engagements with stakeholders.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a constant monitoring situation.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment, meetings rest assured. They are in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of meetings, constant monitoring. Seriously, not only is this
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  Speaker 1: government unduly subservient to the bureaucrats pushed around by the
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  Speaker 1: public service. They sound like they are the public service.
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  Speaker 1: Meetings aren't action, Meetings are not governed. Talking about meetings
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  Speaker 1: is telling us you have no idea and you've got
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  Speaker 1: nothing to say. The Finance Minister was then asked if
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  Speaker 1: the government was doing anything to prepare for a prolonged
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  Speaker 1: war in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've seen in the last twelve days that
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  Speaker 4: the severity and the duration of this conflict will you know,
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  Speaker 4: depending on you know, the duration in particular will have
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  Speaker 4: significant impacts globally. So this is something that's constantly part
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  Speaker 4: of the government's thinking. You know, we are meeting, as
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  Speaker 4: I said, very regularly. The Prime Minister is leading those meetings,
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  Speaker 4: engaging with all of our agencies, the states and territories,
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  Speaker 4: industry to make sure that we are thinking about how
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  Speaker 4: to respond in the event that the conflict goes longer
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  Speaker 4: than any of us would hope.
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  Speaker 1: More meetings, more meetings with everyone from everywhere. That's what
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  Speaker 1: they're doing. They're having more meetings. Your prices keep going up,
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  Speaker 1: and the war doesn't stop. This government at its bureaucrats
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  Speaker 1: will be in meetings forever. How instructive a government driven
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  Speaker 1: by process, A minister finance minister no less, in a
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  Speaker 1: crisis with nothing to do and nothing to say. The
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  Speaker 1: rise and spread of anti Semitism and the fueling of
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  Speaker 1: Islamist extremism against Israel and against Jews continues. Bizarrely, the
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  Speaker 1: greatest friends of the Islamist extremist cults that kill Jews
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  Speaker 1: and attack Israel and spread lies and propaganda, well, their
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  Speaker 1: greatest friends are the so called liberal left in Western democracies,
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  Speaker 1: The so called progressives who parade as human rights activists.
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  Speaker 1: They've become apologists for misogyny, murder, and terror, not to war.
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  Speaker 2: I'm free baristate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, these people portray Israel as the problem, a multi
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  Speaker 1: ethnic society that operates freely under the rule of law,
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  Speaker 1: that country the only true democracy in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: That is the problem according to these people. Never mind
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  Speaker 1: that Israel has endured decades of military attacks, missile barrages,
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  Speaker 1: and the endless terrorist attacks and atrocities. These people even
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  Speaker 1: deny the atrocities of October the seventh, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: murder and torture so sickening I can't even describe it
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  Speaker 1: to you on air, with hostages taken and those who
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  Speaker 1: survived speaking of unimaginable torture. Well, never mind any of that.
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  Speaker 1: The activists, like former Australia of the Year Grace Tame,
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  Speaker 1: they are just she had denialists.
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  Speaker 5: Timneys texted in saying can you please ask Grace why
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  Speaker 5: she's selective in her outrage? She says, I've never heard
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  Speaker 5: her condemn or speak out on behalf of the Israeli
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  Speaker 5: women who were raped and killed by Hamas on October seven.
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  Speaker 5: Have you spoken about that have you expressed outrage about.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to sink to the level of entertaining
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  Speaker 4: any kind of propaganda Hamish.
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  Speaker 5: What's the propaganda included in that question? Those things have
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  Speaker 5: been debunked.
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  Speaker 1: This wilful denial of the facts is evil. There's no
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  Speaker 1: excuse for overlooking terrorism. Tame talks about selectivity. She's the
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  Speaker 1: one who is selective. Jewish women don't matter. Apparently, Hummas
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  Speaker 1: crimes don't matter. Tame uses an appalling equivalence argument about
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  Speaker 1: both sides doing bad things. Despite all their lies and
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  Speaker 1: media manipulation, the enemies of Israel can't point to civilians
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  Speaker 1: being targeted by Israel, nor is their kidnapping, torture and
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  Speaker 1: rape from Israel. Hamas Hezbalah and Iran use horror. They
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  Speaker 1: use bloodthirsty terrorism as their calling card and their chosen
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  Speaker 1: modus operandi. It's not remotely comparable to Israel's defense of
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  Speaker 1: its country. Yet people like Tame echo the cause of
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  Speaker 1: the teros. Terrorism sympathizers from Gadigal to Gaza globalize the antified.
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  Speaker 6: I won my time from Gadidol to Gadha globalife.
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  Speaker 1: Tame's latest denial of atrocities has created a strong backlash
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  Speaker 1: and Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell, a good friend
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  Speaker 1: of this program, as you'll know well, she's weighed in
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  Speaker 1: with a vengeance, saying on social media that Grace Tame
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  Speaker 1: claims the mantle of activism, but her compassion is selective.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't stand with the women of Iran as they
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  Speaker 1: were beaten, tortured, and raped and murdered by that regime.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't stand with the persecuted Christians in Iran, Lebanon
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  Speaker 1: or Syria. She's not stood with Israeli women who are
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  Speaker 1: raped and sexually tortured as a weapon of war. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: she's denied the horrors of October the seventh because the
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  Speaker 1: victyctims were Jews. That's not principled activistiness, says Haskell. It's
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  Speaker 1: selective outrage driven by politics. And she goes on to
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  Speaker 1: say if we value moral courage and universal human rights,
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  Speaker 1: then people shouldn't hold those principles selectively and Tame should
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  Speaker 1: lose her Australian of the Year award. Now it's not
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  Speaker 1: up to any other country to tell us who should
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  Speaker 1: be Australian of the Year. But Hauschool's critique is absolutely
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  Speaker 1: spot on, and Israel clearly has a strong interest in
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  Speaker 1: how these issues are debated around the world. We have
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  Speaker 1: the grotesque spectacle now of so called human rights activists
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  Speaker 1: and so called progressives siding with bloodthirsty Islamo fascists like
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  Speaker 1: Humas and Hezbollah, and the Islamist extremist nation of Iran, which,
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  Speaker 1: apart from persecuting women and minorities within its own borders,
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  Speaker 1: funds and controls those proxies to destabilize the Middle East,
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  Speaker 1: and of course also in their own shoot, in their
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  Speaker 1: own minds the goal of eradicating Israel. That any educated
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  Speaker 1: person with an IQ above room temperature could watch all
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  Speaker 1: this unfold and somehow see Israel as the aggressor rather
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  Speaker 1: than the victim, and see Humas, Hesbalah and Iran as
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  Speaker 1: the victims rather than the deadly zealots. Well, I find
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  Speaker 1: that just hard to believe, and frankly it's deeply depressing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: sure it's based on ignorance, but this information, the facts,
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  Speaker 1: the reality, they're not hard to find. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to campaign publicly, then it's your duty to know
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  Speaker 1: what the hell you're talking about. Okay, let's get straight
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  Speaker 1: back into this state election looming in South Australia. At
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  Speaker 1: the moment, I'm joined on the desk by Paul Starek,
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  Speaker 1: who's the editor at large of the Adelaide Advertiser. Good
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  Speaker 1: to catch up with you again, Stas Chris. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: off with the last four years. How would you summarize
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  Speaker 1: the Melanowskis term and what's happened to the in the meantime.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think it's kind of prescient to revisit my column,
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  Speaker 7: my comments on election night on Sky News in twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty two, where I said one, it shows that Peter
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  Speaker 7: Malinowska is a once in a generation political candidate and
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  Speaker 7: two the loss of government after one term shows the
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  Speaker 7: extraordinary propensity of the South Australian Liberal Party to shoot
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  Speaker 7: itself in the foot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and haven't they doubled down on that though. I
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  Speaker 1: went through the list there and that's not all of them,
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  Speaker 1: but that's the main list of Liberal MPs who have
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  Speaker 1: ended up before the courts in jail on charges with
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  Speaker 1: ankle bracelets. It just must be impossible to mount a
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  Speaker 1: political comeback when that's going on.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and your point around Ashton Hearn's a good one.
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  Speaker 7: She's come in and had to inherit this mess that
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  Speaker 7: in the meantime, the seeds of the Liberal Party's imminent
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  Speaker 7: destruction have been sawn for some time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the background we all have to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Right outside of South Australia, it's not as well understood.
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  Speaker 1: There's all that political dynamic. But on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you've got a national cost of living crisis,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a housing crisis, we've got fuel crisis now
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  Speaker 1: and inflation and interest rates going up. How are we
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  Speaker 1: seeing that reflected in this state when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: that surging one nation vote in the polls.
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  Speaker 7: I think what it's showing and what's really happening, is
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  Speaker 7: that people, as you say, budgets are under pressure on
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  Speaker 7: multiple fronts. Fuel crisis, energy costs, interest rates all going up.
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  Speaker 7: What they're looking for is alternatives. They're seeing a frustration
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  Speaker 7: with the major parties, including Labor Party to a degree,
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  Speaker 7: and they're essentially saying we want to try and do
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  Speaker 7: something about this. They're not really I don't think voting
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  Speaker 7: turning to one nation out of policy. They're not sort
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  Speaker 7: of sitting there and ticking Oh yeah, I think one
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  Speaker 7: nations the solution to my answers to my problems. It's
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  Speaker 7: a protest though.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, immigration is big on that, but there are other
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  Speaker 1: issues as you mentioned. Now we see in the today's
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  Speaker 1: Fox and Hedgehog poll twenty one percent for One Nation,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen percent for the Liberals. There's no coalition in South Australia.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a poll coming out tomorrow in the Advertiser.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give us any clues onto that. Do we
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  Speaker 1: expect that on election day One Nation goes in polling
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  Speaker 1: ahead of the Liberals? And do you expect that will
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  Speaker 1: be reflected in the ballot box or could it drop
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  Speaker 1: off when it comes to ticking off the box.
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  Speaker 7: Certainly, the previous polls that we've had published are in
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  Speaker 7: line with that Fox and Hedgehog poll. And the interesting
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  Speaker 7: thing about that is that the One Nation voters held
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  Speaker 7: up or supporters held up, and as you point out,
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  Speaker 7: the question then becomes does it hold up on polling day? Importantly,
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  Speaker 7: ten percent of people have already voted in early polling,
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  Speaker 7: so a lot of people have already in all likelihood
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  Speaker 7: cast their vote for One Nation along those lines. So
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  Speaker 7: the question then becomes, also do one Nation win any
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  Speaker 7: Lower House seats and do they win more than the
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  Speaker 7: Liberal Party, And on the strength of those numbers, that's
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  Speaker 7: not inconceivable.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party have thirteen seats in the lower House.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of influxus with some independent former Liberals and
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  Speaker 1: the rest of it. Surely one nation can't pick up ten,
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  Speaker 1: a dozen or more seats, one would think not.
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  Speaker 7: But on the strength of these poles have been remarkably
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  Speaker 7: consistent showing an extraordinary low primary vote to the Liberal
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  Speaker 7: Party and one Nation in the recent series of polls
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  Speaker 7: outpolling them.
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  Speaker 1: So that's holding and the big message, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a former Canber a correspondent for the Advertiser, you
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  Speaker 1: know the national message here is important. Now if the
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  Speaker 1: polling in that, if the actual votes go anywhere near
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  Speaker 1: close to matching that twenty one percent opinion poll, then
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  Speaker 1: that's a huge shockwave for Queensland and New South Wales
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  Speaker 1: in particular, where if they match the polls at the
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  Speaker 1: next election, one nation are going to win a tranch
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  Speaker 1: of seats exactly.
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  Speaker 7: And also another important thing to remember, as you referred
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  Speaker 7: to earlier, is that a lot of this has been
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  Speaker 7: driven by federal issues rather than state and that Peter
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  Speaker 7: Malinowskis is a popular Labor premier and a lot of
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  Speaker 7: the One Nation I suspect is targeting a Anthony Aberezi.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, their lead second candidate has said the same thing.
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  Speaker 7: They're chairman that a lot of them are there finding
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  Speaker 7: a lot of One Nation support is coming in opposition
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  Speaker 7: to the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said on election night four years ago,
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  Speaker 1: even before Malanawskis was sworn in. I said their Labor
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  Speaker 1: should get him to Canberra. I think there'll be a
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  Speaker 1: push to do that eventually. Well, see, thanks for joining us,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Steric, I appreciate it. We'll wait for that poll
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  Speaker 1: in the Adelaide Advertiser tomorrow. Let's get back on to
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  Speaker 1: the issue of the economy and interest rates. I want
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  Speaker 1: to cross the Sydney and catch up with dmitriy Berstein
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  Speaker 1: from Eminence Advisory. Good to talk to you again, Dmitri.
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  Speaker 1: This interest rate will increase was expected, loathed, but expected.
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  Speaker 1: What's it going to do?
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  Speaker 8: Hi, Chris, thanks for having me on your show. Well,
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  Speaker 8: it was actually a five to four decision, so the
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  Speaker 8: RBA was balanced. But yes, it should have happened. The
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  Speaker 8: RBA increased official race by twenty five basis points four
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  Speaker 8: point one percent. Australia and Japan are the only developed
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  Speaker 8: economies in the who are gradually tightening rates, while the
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  Speaker 8: rest are holding or easy to You know, this is
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  Speaker 8: evidence of repeated policy errors from both the RBA and
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  Speaker 8: the government, which have re energized the inflation. Dragon Treasure
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  Speaker 8: of Chalmers may claim today is due to overseas factors,
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  Speaker 8: but you know he can blame that and the age
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  Speaker 8: of the adorning of the Age of Aquarius, but it's
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  Speaker 8: directly due to government policy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what worried me today, Dmitri, and that
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  Speaker 1: is that the Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock actually said
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  Speaker 1: a number of times the r word have a look.
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  Speaker 9: We don't want to see a recession or a large
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: rise in unemployment if we can avoid it. That's part
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: of our dual mandates.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Is a recession really something we need to be worried
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about now, well.
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: Given we've been in a per capita recession give or
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: take the last four years.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: The truth is that the RBA has also spoken of
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: spoken of supply constraints and these are a direct consequence
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: of government policy.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: YEA, Well, I think the RBA governor had some comments
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: today that I thought were really pointed. She's been very
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: very timid in the past of pointing the government policy
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: at all, but have a look at this. She makes
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it very very clear that this interest rate rise, this
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: inflation problem came along and was a real problem long
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: before the war in the Middle East. Have a look.
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: Inflation was already too high, reflecting the fact that demand
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: is outstripping supply. Higher fuel costs will not slow demand
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: enough on their.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Own to address this.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: If we do not act, these price pressures will spread
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: and the eventual adjustment would be harder.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Gee, she's starting to sound very, very worried. She's putting
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the finger on a problem that the government's trying to
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: blame on the Middle East. And of course the trouble
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is that there's those Australians who are feeling the pain
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: most in the mortgage belts with with high mortgage payments
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: now going up and petrol prices going up at the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: same time, it's going to be a real crunch.
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: Yes, Chris, there is an element of there's possibly an
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: element of cynicism in the RBA, given that the next
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: board meeting is in the first week of May and
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: the budgets in the second week of May, so they're
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: possibly trying to send out a you know, a warning
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: shot to the community and the government that more interest
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: rates may come. But yet, yes, Chris, we are in
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: a world Australian economies in a world of hurt, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: you know, the government keeps, you know, layeringment taxes and
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: spending and regulation on top of taxes and spending and
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: regulation which are contributing to our current problems.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: They just have to cut spending. They just have to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: boost productivity. They've been doing the opposite on both fronts.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: We've both been saying this for a long, long while.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Do you hold any hope of serious productivity reform in
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the budget or serious spending cuts?
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: Only if you redefine the words spending cuts and productivity
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: to mean more taxes and slower than exorbitant increases and spending.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see. I'm not very hopeful myself. We
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: need some sensible economic management. We haven't seen seen it
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: for a long while. Dimitri, thanks so much for joining us.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Dmitri burst on there from Eminence Advisory. I want to
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: go to Queensland now and catch up with Ted O'Brien
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: who's now the shadow Foreign Affairs minister in Maruchi Door.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Ted. When we discuss these issues,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the fuel crisis and the like, as well as of
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: course the global geostrategic issues, we wonder about how long
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: this war's going. Now Iran has been able to attack
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the UAE again in the last twenty four hours. What
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: are your expectations. Are you starting to worry about how
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: long this war might be drawn out?
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: So I am, and I think everybody sensible has been
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: worried because the duration is going to have greater impact,
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: especially in Australia. My greatest concern really though, is Australia
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: is so poorly placed to whether the storm. The government
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: unfortunately has put Australia in the worst possible position it
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: could be in the fact that we are dealing with
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: an increase in interest rates, in inflation, We've got weak growth,
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: we have woeful productivity. This puts US probably in the
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: worst possible position of any developed nation to handle an
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: external shock. And the longer this goes on, the bigger
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: the shock is going to be.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, indeed, now just while we're on the Middle East, though,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I do want to get your thoughts on Grace Tame
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: her appalling comments on ABC Radio yesterday that were first
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: he highlighted by Sharry Marks. But I was particularly interested
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: in the Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel today coming in
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and condemning these comments in very strong terms and saying
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that Grace Tam should be stripped of her Australian of
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the Year award. Your response, well.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: Chris So, I agree entirely that the comments are completely
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: inappropriate and I want to send a message, especially to
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: Jewish Australians, that Grace Tame does not speak for Australia,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: and she does not speak for the majority of Australians.
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Those comments were inappropriate and I believe they should be condemned.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: They should, indeed, but perhaps more than that, is it
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: hate speech.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Look I'll wait to see what Grace Tame herself says,
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: but I do believe it leads to a social cohesion
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: problem getting worse, and that is of great concern. The
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: underlying intent that she had I can't speak to. I
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: can't speak to, but this is the last thing we need. Again,
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: we have had a real problem in this country. We're
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: becoming more divided under this government when we should be
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: becoming more United social cohesion has been a problem and
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: if we have ongoing problems with anti Semitism, then social
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: cohesion will not be achieved. That only weakens us as
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: a nation. It leaves especially Jewish Australians vulnerable. But as
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: a nation as a whole, we need unity and unity
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: will not be achieved if we have people egging on
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: anti Semitism.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I've been talking about this for well over two
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: years now, the way the government has let down the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: country and let down the Australian Jewish community by not
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: being strong enough on anti Semitism, by not being strong
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: enough on Islamist extremism, but also because of its foreign
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: policy towards Israel. It's abandoned Israel and given the terrorism
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: groups and their sympathizers what they thought they wanted, that
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: is recognition of the non existent state of Palestine. I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: just want to go to some documents public documents that
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: are out there now from our government, from the Department
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the Smart Traveler website for
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: their travel advisories, and if you just look at those
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: up on screen now, they show us that they are
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: referring to Palestine. They are telling people about travel conditions
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: in what they call Palestine, and then in a crucial
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: phrase saying including Jerusalem. Now Jerusalem is the capital of Israel,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: as was once recognized by the Australian government. I know
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: this Labor government has turned that back. But the idea
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that you would actually recognize this fictitious state of Palestine
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and then suggest that Jerusalem is the capital that is
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: getting way ahead of international law, of current diplomacy and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of the reality in the ground in Israel, isn't it?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: So?
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: It is?
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: But candidly, I don't expect anything better of the government.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: I certainly don't blame defat by the way, I don't
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: blame the department. Ultimately, they have got to express government policy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: And this is a government that decided to recognize the
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: state of Palestine when Hamas was in charge, when a
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: terrorist organization was in charge of that area. They came out.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: They broke long standing positions of not only the Coalition
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: and Labor, a bipartisan position, but they also breached a
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: shared position we held with the United States, of course
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: with Israel itself. This is a government which unfortunately continues
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: to go in the wrong direction. And what you see
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: with smart Travel is just the latest example of the
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: government taking Australia in the wrong direction on this issue.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Jess a Shocker. Thanks for joining us, Ted, I appreciate
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Brian the Shadow Foreign Minister, joining us live from Coinsland.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break now. On the other side of it,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I want to explore the fuel crisis across this country
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: in more detail with the Shadow Energy Minister Dan Teen.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Don't go away, let's catch up with the Shadow Energy Minister.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Dan Teen joins us live from Hamilton and Victoria. Good
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to talk to you again, Dan. The fuel crisis I
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: showed at the top of the meeting. How Katie Gallagh
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of the Finance Meeting Minister says the government's having a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: lot of meetings. Is there anything else that Cannon should
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: be done right now? Yes there is. Chris.
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: First of all, Chris Bowen could learn how to do
• 28:53
  Speaker 11: his paperwork so that we don't have to wait five
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: days post an announcement about getting more few into the
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: Australian economy. When he could do that paperwork on the
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: day he makes announcements, he could have been looking and
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: taking this issue seriously a couple of weeks ago. Got
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: to remember, only a week ago he was saying, don't panic,
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: nothing to see here. Our diesel supplies in particular are secure.
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: And today a week later, we have Richard Bales, the
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: Deputy Prime Minister, out saying, well, no, I can't rule
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: out rationing because it's a serious issue that we might
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: have to look at. And what I'm hearing is now
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: the government is in some sort of mad scramble to
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: try and get more fuel because what's happening is future
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: contracts are now not being on it, even though the
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: government's being tricky with their words and Chris Bones being
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: tricky with his words saying that all contracts are.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Being on it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: Well, that's for the fuel that's arriving today, not for
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: the fuel that's in four or five weeks time, because
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: the Singaporean refinery, for instance, is now only operating at
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: fifty percent. So they're now in a mad scramble looking
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: elsewhere for that feel, including in Africa. That's how desperate
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: that they've become. So the whole thing is a complete
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: nutter mess. The Prime Minister needs to step in and
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: I think you should be convening National cabinet, but you.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Could never rule out rationing because of the low level
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: of supplies because we don't know what's happening in the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Middle East. So let's see how the crisis, how we
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: weather the crisis. That the point is, though the war
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: will stop, we hope it the sooner the better for
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: all sorts of reasons. But in terms of the energy crisis,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that will relieve the situation. What does Australia have to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: do then in the medium term to make sure we're
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: not left in this position so readily? Again, for starters,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: we should meet that ninety days supply reserve rule that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: we're failing to meet now. Obviously we should be looking
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: at either more refining in this country as well or
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: developing our own oil supplies. What would your plan be.
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: Well, obviously we will work through that and will be
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: very clear with the Australian people what that will look like.
• 31:17
  Speaker 11: But we need to see more oil exploration occurring in
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: this country. We need to see more gas exploration occurring
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: in this country. We've nearly been four years under Labor.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: There's only been one one license that's been issued for
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: further exploration when it comes to gas, and my understanding
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: is none for oil under this Labor government. We've also
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: got to work with the industry to look at storage.
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: As you would be aware, we used to have localized
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: storage in most country towns right across the nation. Now
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: that is diminished. What we need to be doing is
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: working with industry to say how can we get that
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: localized storage back light across this nation because that becomes
• 32:02
  Speaker 11: absolutely key. And then we've got to look at we
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: sure as I need two refineries here and we've got
• 32:09
  Speaker 11: two refineries here in Australia, we've got to be making
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: sure that we're working with them like we did within government,
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: to see what we can do to increase their capacity
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: so that we can make sure that we can lift
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: the refining stocks that we've got here in the.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Refined the very least got here in Australia.
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: These are all the things indeed we've got to be
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: looking at doing.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Danteen. I appreciate it,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Dan teen. They're live from Victoria after the Break, the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: premiere of South Australia just four days out from the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: state election. Here is a one man studio audience at
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the moment. He'll join me live after the break. All
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: eyes on the state of South Australia this week as
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the election looms on Saturday. Joining me live in the
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: studio now is the Labor Premier of South Australia, Peter Melanowski.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program again.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Peter, my pleasure, Chris.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Now, the polls tell me you're going to walk it in.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: The complacency is always a bit of an enemy of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a politician. But it's the end of your first term.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: You must be pretty confident for Saturday. You wouldn't think
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that one nation's polling is going to hurt labor too much.
• 33:17
  Speaker 12: No, I'm always vigilant, and you know, talk about complacency.
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: I live by the maximum that Andy Groves, the guy
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: who established or built up INTEL, said, success breeds complacency.
• 33:28
  Speaker 12: Complacency leeds to defeat. Only the paranoid survives. I've got
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: a what is hopefully a healthy degree and dose of paranoia.
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: And me and the rest of the team, I look,
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: I think one nation, you know, if you believe the
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: polls are going to take a few votes off everybody,
• 33:43
  Speaker 12: And I think that speaks to some legitimate frustrations that
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: exist within the electorate.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about those frustrations, are a lot of them.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Federal We're talking about a housing crisis, We're talking about
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: fuel prices, we're talking about electricity prices, and of course
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: inflation and interest rates. Do you feel that in the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: state election those naw rational frustrations are going to be reflected.
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: Maybe, but I think some of them state governments around
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: the country. You have to assume some responsibility for two
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: and the best example of that for me is housing.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I think housing is a major national.
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: Economic but also social political challenge because I think when
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: people see that intergeneration international thread, that national compact for
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: one generation to the next, being able to own a home, being.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: At risk, people are angry about it.
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: Chris and some of those leavers are federal, but a
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: lot are state orientated, and that's.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Why we've put a lot of effort into a big
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: housing policy that we're taking to this election.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Another one that relates to state government policies. Those energy prices,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and your prices are still the highest in the country.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: They're big on the reviewable energy transition. I know New
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: South Wales has started to match you as well, but
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you've also blown tens of billions of dollars as the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: federal government has on green hydrogen and green still programs really.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Spend tens of billions of dollars on green hydrogen.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: We have in the federal government. Has how much have
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you wasted on the Wyala Green Steelers program that's now defunct.
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: Well, what we did is we reallocated those resources that
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: were set for the green hydrogen program and then put
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: it towards the still works and now there are thousands
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: of people in Wale today there's still got a business.
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: I'm very proud of that decision. And more than that gap, Chris,
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: what we've done is we've announced our State Strategic Gas Reserve,
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: not just a policy, that's actually what we've already enacted.
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: We signed an agreement with Santos just before we went
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: into caretaker to establish a state strategic Gas reserve to
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: the tune of twenty petiitules of gas per roundum for
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: ten years. That's gas that would otherwise be going to
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: Korea in Japan that is now coming straight to South Australia.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I'm very proud of that because.
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: We see that gas is being a central a central
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: commodity that actually achieved the transition to the decompinizer.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: It's a reliable, proven energy source and green hydrogen's not.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: It's a gamble well into the future.
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: Hydrogen may well play a role, but particularly when it
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: comes to still an iron making. But in the immediate
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: for ele future, we know that gas is critical. We
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: do believe in renewals, but we believe in renewables firm
• 36:05
  Speaker 12: by natural gas, which is why we need more of
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: it domestically in this country. And we've got a nation
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: leading policy with our state strategy gas reserve, which I'm
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: a fervent believer in. And some people don't like that
• 36:15
  Speaker 12: policy from the Greens and so forth, but I stand
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: by it because actually enables decarbonization rather than the opposite.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell us about fuel excise. The opposition leader in
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: South Australia, your opponent, Ashton Hearns, says the federal government
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: should have the excise to give some instant relief. Would
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you be calling on Anthony Albanez and Jim Charmers to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: lead Opposition.
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: Has been splashing cash that she doesn't have all over
• 36:41
  Speaker 12: the place. They've got a plan to make debt in
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: South Australia massive, They've got a policy to actually make
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: the debt bigger than our fiscal position, and they're just
• 36:51
  Speaker 12: spending money like drug and salors.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: But do you want our bow and charmers to cut
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: the fuel exos.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I want them to do what.
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: They think is best for the country, and I'll let
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: them make the judgments that have respond for at a
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: federal level, and I'm going to focus on what I
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: can make a difference for at the state level, because
• 37:04
  Speaker 12: the state's economy is going exceptionally world Chris, We're growing
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: at five percent per anum. The national average is two
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: point nine, fastest housing construction rate in the country, Private
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: and sector investment tenfold. The rest of the country like
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: things are going well, and.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: It's going pretty well. As you know, I'm a South
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Australian originally, I get back here quite often and the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: state's going pretty well. But one promise that you certainly
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: haven't fulfilled is to get rid of ambulance ramping. It
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: was huge during the last election. Camp Traign huge controversy
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: in recent weeks over a man by the name of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Stephen King dying from cancer, waiting hours for an ambulance,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: then dying in an ambulance ramped at the hospital and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: your Health Minister used an email from a Stephen King
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: saying that the praising the hospital service to defend himself.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Turns out that was a different Stephen King. Why is
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that health minister still in cabinet? Why hasn't he resigned?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: So that health minister is Chris Pecton. He made a
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: big miss, terrible mistake.
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: He made a be mistake, and he has acted with
• 38:05
  Speaker 12: I think integrity and in showing and displaying his contrition
• 38:09
  Speaker 12: publicly and privately.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: But hang on, where's the integrity and using a private
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: email to defend a political attack and it's a medically
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: related email and it turns out to be from the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: wrong person, wasn't It wasn't a medically revert relate it
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: to his hospital treatment.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: A separate Stephen King. There were two people of the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: same name, and that should have been double checked. That
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: should have been double checked, and it wasn't. And that's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: not good enough. And he's paid a severe price for it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: As it happens. I played footy with Stephen King who died,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and I've seen what his widows had to say. I mean,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: just been treated so appallingly here in a political context,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and I think anybody looking at this would just wonder
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: how Chris Pickton can still have his job.
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: Chris has been honest about it. He hasn't blamed anybody else.
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: He hasn't fined an excuse. He has owned his mistake
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: fully and holy, and I actually think that's beast to
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: the way he conducts himself generally. He's been in touch
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: with the family and make clear you know that he
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: is unqualified offering his apologies and owning.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: The air that he made.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And he hasn't been seen for a while on a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: big issue in the election campaign. You should get out there,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: should't he?
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: He has been out about and he has answered every
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: single journalist question. If you want to interview him, he will,
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: He'll be he'll gladly be happy to do it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Might ask him tomorrow. There's another story that I think
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is quite extraordinary. I'm surprised it hasn't got a bit
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: more attention. And that's the fact that you wore a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: wire as opposition leader in a police investigation. This is
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: like straight out out of some crime movie. You wore
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a secret wire to speak to a former labor MP
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: who you'd accused of trying to blackmail you did obviously
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: charges were dropped. Did she not try and blackmail you?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: No?
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: No, no, Look all I will say on this matter.
• 40:00
  Speaker 12: Preme Courter has handed down.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Decision that backed in my actions. That's the first point.
• 40:04
  Speaker 12: Second point someone what I would say as a general principle,
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: as is Chris, I'm willing to put my own political
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: interests on the line to act with integrity. And there's
• 40:15
  Speaker 12: been a number of things that I've done throughout the
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: course of my leadership of the party that has been
• 40:20
  Speaker 12: my own political expense because I wanted to do the
• 40:23
  Speaker 12: right thing, but some series of events, no doubt, no doubt,
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: but mainly because I decided to do the right thing, Chris,
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: when someone was seeking to I think, how do I
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: characterize when someone was seeking to achieve an outcome through
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: means that lacked basic ethics.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I was willing to call it out. I was willing
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: to report at police.
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: We've got very strict obligations in South Australia that we're
• 40:47
  Speaker 12: a public officer, which are mp is.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: See someone doing something wrong, they should report it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 12: And I reported it, even though I knew it would
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: set in training the sequence of events that would unlock
• 40:56
  Speaker 12: questions like yours.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: When you were wired, were you trying to entrap her?
• 40:59
  Speaker 12: I was following the instructions of South Australian Police, and
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: I'm very happy to do that she was there with
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: her husband. I was finding I will always if I
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: see someone do the wrong thing, Chris, I want to
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: report it good, even if it's at my expense. Politically,
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: I've seen so many politicians around this country get themselves
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: into trouble by trying to play a house of card
• 41:18
  Speaker 12: style of politics and sort some people out over here.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: This sounds like it's out of house account. It's extraordinary.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Did Annabelle die against and her husband when you were
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: secretly wired? Did they ask you if the conversation was
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: being recorded?
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: You can ask all those questions of South Australian Police.
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: South Australian Police instructed my actions, and that's the right
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: thing to do, Chris.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And you know being recorded or I'm.
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: Not going to go into matters that are pertained to
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: a South Australian Police investigation.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: What I will say is.
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: That I if I see someone doing something wrong with
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: the Labor Party or outside the Labor Party that compromises
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: the ethics of the political process, I want to stand
• 41:58
  Speaker 12: up and do the right thing, which.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think is what people expect. The people in positions
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: like mine.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: And the courts will have their say have had their
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: say at least, but I just Australia.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: They must be clear about this, Chris. The courts have had.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Yes they have, and so is the Director of Public
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Prosecutions and it's a fascinating read if you haven't seen
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: it in The Australian that went through the story a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I've got to finish up where
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I started off. I was on a air on Sky
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: News four years ago when you were elected Prime Minister
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and you Premier. That's a fraudy and slip because what
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you is whether you're thinking about
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: camera politics. You're a young man, you've obviously been very
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: successful so far. You should be sworn in again next
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: week as Premiere. Do you rule out ever going to camera?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Chris.
• 42:44
  Speaker 12: I've got this incredible privilege to think about the Australian
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: Federation in the context of being a six cylinder engine.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: South Australia hasn't always been the pist.
• 42:53
  Speaker 12: And that's firing and now it is. And I'm very
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: proud of the work that my government has done. As
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: imperfect as we've been in some areas, we have done
• 43:00
  Speaker 12: a lot to get it firing and I want to
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: keep it that way.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Because I think that makes a contribution to our country.
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: But most importantly, it informs the community that my kids
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: and you know a lot of other kids grow up in.
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: And that's work that I love and I have no
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: interest in doing anything else.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks so much for joining us, Peter, I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: appreciate it being generous with your time. Peter Malinowskus, the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: other Premier of South Australia, don't forget. He will be
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: on Sky News tomorrow tomorrow the Sky News Advertisers Leader's
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: debate with Premier malanowskis fronting up with a Liberal leader,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Ashton Hearne. They're going to battle out face to face
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: here with Kieran Gilbert moderating. We're going to get to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: get to a break.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: On the other side of the break, we'll catch up
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: with a panel Susio O'Brien and Stephen Senate Tampa. Don't
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: go away, let's get on with the panel now. I'm
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: joined by Susio O'Brien from Melbourne and of course Stephen Senate.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Pip Senate Tampa joins us from Canberra. Good to speak
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to both of you. I'm here on my home state
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of South Australia. Susi. It was once your home too.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Tell us what you think about the twenty one percent
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: polling for one Nation and whether that will actually be
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: reflected in the ballot box on Saturday.
• 44:11
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, I can't. This is just such an important election
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: in terms of the first really big litmus tests we've
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: had for the one nation vote. So that's still polling
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: at twenty one percent in some polls, it's up to
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: like twenty four to twenty five percent for some of
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: the one nation vote. It is a bit of a
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: protest and some of those higher palling numbers came when
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: the coalition was in complete disarray. So whether people actually
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: go through and vote for one Nation now that the
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: coalition is a little bit more steady, it's going to
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: be very interesting to see. But all eyes will be
• 44:47
  Speaker 10: on Pauline Hanson on Saturday night.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: That's the big question. Indeed, I'm going to catch up
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: with Pauline Hanson tomorrow. Don't miss the show tomorrow night.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'll have Corey Bnardi and Pauline Hanson on the Campaig trail.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: But Stephen, the point here too is as soon as
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: he talks about a protest vote and you're thinking it
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: might dissipate a bit. Well, when fuel prices are so
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: high and interest rates have just gone up again, that's
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: only going to fuel that protest element, isn't it to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: an extent.
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: But I guess the thing that we need to be
• 45:17
  Speaker 13: wary of here is I don't know that South Australia
• 45:19
  Speaker 13: is necessarily going to be a litmus test for the
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: rest of the country, because, as Susie said, when the
• 45:24
  Speaker 13: height of that polling was when the coalition was in
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: complete disarray, they're not at a federal level anymore. They're
• 45:29
  Speaker 13: certainly not in Queensland, they're not in New South Wales,
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: and even in Victoria they're starting to make a bit
• 45:33
  Speaker 13: of a comeback. So I don't know that South Australia
• 45:36
  Speaker 13: is going to really tell us much about the rest
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: of the country.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: But when you talk about.
• 45:40
  Speaker 13: Crises like the fuel crisis we've got at the moment,
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: I think that actually plays into the hands of the
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: major parties. People will go into the ballot box thinking, really,
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: do we want to continue on with the protest or
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: do we want to put the government in a safe
• 45:52
  Speaker 13: pair of hands, And that is a traditional party of government.
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: So it's going to be very interesting to see what happens,
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: but I don't know that essentially going to tell us
• 45:59
  Speaker 13: about what's going to happen in the rest of the country.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what you know. As a former
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: South Australian myself, I know the political scene here pretty well.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: It's not one nation, county country most of it. That's
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the point. One nation is largely a Queensland based party,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: as you know, very big in regional New South Wales
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and northern New South Wales. I would have thought when
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: it's doing this well, polling this well in South Australia,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: it says you things. It tells you things are just
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit different, just a little bit different. Su
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: as you want to go to the state government in
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: your neck of the woods, the labor government there and
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the labors figures on the Jasida Allen's trip to China,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: her trade delegation as they like to describe them, to China,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty grand are a lazy quarter of a
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: million dollars for that trip. But are people angry about that?
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just absolutely outrageous at a time where our
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: state dad is one hundred and sixty billion dollars, it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: growing by a million dollars an hour. She spends two
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: hundred and fifty thousand dollars with a whole bunch of
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: backbenches to go and drum up business in China. Last
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: time I looked in Victoria, we're doing pretty well with
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: the Chinese. Funnily enough, there's lots of Chinese people in
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: our city visiting our city we don't like. Yes, sure
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: have a five year plan. I'm not sure they need
• 47:16
  Speaker 10: to be really soring up that support because the ties
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: are very strong there already.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe a Zoom meeting could be the answer now.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And then another story though out of Victoria that I
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: find intriguing. Again, it's going to be a cost on
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the Victorian taxpayers, but in my view it's a good one.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: That's a deserved one because some businesses Stephen had actually
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: won a case where they're getting compensation one hundred and
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars all up against the Victorian government
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: for shutting down their businesses in the over reaction to COVID.
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I think the government got off lightly here, Sadly
• 47:55
  Speaker 13: the taxpayer didn't. But I think every business that was
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: subjected to these lockdowns deserve whatever they can get out
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: of the government because they were brought to their knees.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons.
• 48:04
  Speaker 13: Last time I was in Melbourne, the first thing I
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: did was went to Lamarro's Pub and had dinner because Paul,
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: the owner there, was one of the guys driving the
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: charges against these lockdowns. You know, I just found an
• 48:14
  Speaker 13: extraordinary that whilst the whole country went mad during that period,
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: Victoria went absolutely crazy.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unbelievable. Now you spent a bit of time in
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: South Australia too, Steve, and I want a quick word
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: from each of you on Malanowska's how good is he?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Should he go to Canberra?
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: Oh police, Yes, absolutely tomorrow if he can, If he
• 48:36
  Speaker 13: can't pull out of this election and come to Cambra.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's are sort of right faction leader that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: they need in Canberra, don't they, Susie.
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: I don't think the South Australians are going to want
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: to give him up. I mean, finally they've actually got
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: a decent politician and you know the state is gone gangbusters.
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: You go there and it's just feels alive, it feels energetic,
• 48:59
  Speaker 10: it feels positive. Compare that to Victoria. We want him
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: to come here, he can come to Victoria. Thanks not Cameron.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it makes it hard for the
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Liberals when the election poster looks like, you know, a
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: police lineup, given all all those cases I went through earlier.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Just amazing stuff. Thanks to joining us, Susie and Stephen.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Just a little bit of time for some of your
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: feedback from what I had to say last night about
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the energy crisis. And Robert says, if you want failure,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: put blackout Bowen in charge. He's a one man disaster machine.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: And then Chris says, all that money, imagine the energy
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: industry we could have if we built with that, what
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: we could have built with that, All the money we
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: spent on renewables, if we'd spent that on actually increasing
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: our energy reliability, it might have been a little bit better.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I'll be back tomorrow, and don't
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: forget Paul and Hanson and Corey Bernardi will be met
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: with me here in Adelaide tomorrow. Here's Peter Kredlin