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- Jogo: Welcome to Best Most. I'm your host, Joe Jose Jogo Gonzalez. This is the show where we ask the question What is the best or what is the most? We ask questions like what is the best depiction of a person eating in a film? Or what is the most human music icon ever? And today I do want to answer that question today. I want to say Dolly Parton. She did pass away today. So I did want to mention her and very human, very compassionate person. And the world is a much sadder place because she is gone. But we are back, like I said. it looks like one of our guests is very surprised right now that that happened. we can talk about that in a little bit, but we are back. I'm gonna deem this season two. So this is our first episode of the second season. So today we have a very special episode for you. This is our first time doing this. I have two guests. one is the smartest guy I've known and I've known for years. He has worked in a few startups, but he's also a very close friend. The other guest is also a very dear friend that is the head trainer, educator, and behavior consultant of canine high school in Long Beach, one of the most popular puppy and dog training schools. He is one of the most kindest and most Welcoming people I've known. Welcome Gabe Hayes and Carlos Morales. Gabe: Hey that's Carlos: Hello, hello. Jogo: Hey guys. Gabe: yeah, that's quite the fucking resume, Carlos, relative to my few startups. Carlos: Yes. It was it was a great segue to not being the smartest person he knows. Jogo: I had to balance it out. I was like, smartest person, you know So Carlos, did you not know about Dolly Parton? Carlos: No, I did not know and I'm really sad and I yeah. she was a really good positive public figure. Gabe: Yeah, yeah. She's Jogo: Yeah, sad day. Gabe: one of the she was like one of those I think one of the things I w I don't know if I did text Roxanne, but I thought about texting Roxanne like I I'd do it. You know? She she was that for me for a very long time. So Jogo: Listeners, Roxanne is his wife. But yeah, that's Gabe's wife. so let's Carlos: Wow. I g I guess his favorite movie is The Littlest Whorehouse in Texas. Jogo: so the question today is what is the best social experiment reality TV show? I let our guests kind of choose a question. So do you guys choose this question? Gabe: Carlos, what do you what do you have to say about this? Carlos: I think that was the only overlap between Gabe and I in terms of in terms of what we watch on TV. So Gabe: I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I f I felt like Jogo: huh. Gabe: it was more me talking shit about your guys's, you know, w your hobbies and interests, but we found a lot of overlap in reality. Jogo: Yeah. Carlos: That's for sure. Jogo: Perfect. Perfect. So we're gonna go into the community qu answers and then then we're gonna go into our picks. I asked the community on Instagram, which listeners you can join to answer the questions as well yourself. That's where I do post the questions. so let's see. So Isabel She said Ninety Day Fiance and The Bachelorette. And she said, It's crazy how one person can date all these people. I I Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: agree. I always kind of thought the Bachelorette, the Bachelor, it was such a one sided kind of deal. Gabe: Yeah, they also feel just like super overproduced, I think. You know, like those Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: network television dating shows, except Ninety Day Fiance, I gotta give credit to that one. That is definitely entertaining. Carlos: don't know how real that reality T V is. I think a couple of the bachelors have already come out as gay after being on the bachelor. Like Gabe: Ha ha ha. Carlos: yeah. I think definitely overproduces a a good Gabe: Yeah, it's definitely feel it feels produced. Yeah. Carlos: description. Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Jogo: Yeah, I think a lot of reality TV is pretty Carlos: Okay, man. Jogo: much scripted at this point. And that's that's kind of like it kind of kills it a little bit. But let's see. So Grace said Love Island because you throw those people in and you brought them in to humiliate them. Gabe: Is is Love Island that that Jogo: Ha. Gabe: the the one that like runs every day or like it's almost like Jogo: Yes. Gabe: alive and okay, yeah. I watched one season of that and like I wanted to hate it, but I found myself like watching it every day. I d and I don't know why. I think it was that there's like it's like you know how you if you have if you've ever had KFC, there's like this sleeper pill in it, 'cause like eight years later you just wake up and you're like, I'm gonna get KFC today. Right. Like it felt like it had this psychological effect on me to make me want to watch it again tomorrow. Carlos: I watched a couple of seasons and I don't know if I would describe it as KFC. I would describe it as lighting a bag full of dog shit in somebody's on somebody's porch. You it's a Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: fucking mess and you just can't stop watching. Gabe: Yeah, yes, Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: yes, yeah. There w there was I tried Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: watching this latest season too. There was no drama in the beginning. Like it I was missing something. Jogo: Yeah, there was no what was that? Huda was like the person last season that was like the mess or something like that, but like and I think Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: she also got like arrested or something or this year for like Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: breaking into one of her ex boyfriends, new girlfriends, parking structure complex whatever? Gabe: Yeah. I had not heard that, but that is exactly what I would picture her being. Jogo: Yeah. I could be off on this, but I c I saw the footage and yeah, it looks kinda messy. Gabe: No. allegedly. Jogo: Allegedly, yeah. I I don't want our s our show to get sued. Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: The truth comes out you both are fans and watch it regularly. Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: I do w I d I totally do watch it regularly. It's I I do love this kind of Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Jogo: like kind of like I don't wanna call it trash reality television. It's it Gabe: Kind of is. Jogo: it's just kind of like really indulgent in a weird way. It's like very crazy, like overtly sexualized. Like I I remember I watched it the first time and I like, Holy shit, these people make out like so much with everybody. Like even the first episode, it's pretty nuts. Gabe: Yeah, like w Wa Roxanne and I were watching it, like the number of times we threw out like, my god, they're all gonna get mono, like was Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: was common. But I Carlos: Ha ha ha. Gabe: I'm actually like I kind of am even though I watch it, like I'm disturbed by the amount of kissing on the show. You know, Jogo: Yeah, same here. Gabe: it's it's like too much. Jogo: Yeah. so Nina said cheaters because the host got stabbed and the cheaters signed the waiver. Gabe: yeah. Yeah. Jogo: My six hundred and also my six hundred pound life as well. Gabe: god. Yeah. Wait, no, that's not six hundred pound sisters. That's a different one. Or is it? Okay, that's them. Yeah. Jogo: I think so. I I think it is that one. Gabe: Yeah. That one's have you seen the new photos of her? Her like my it's like my two hundred pound life now. Yeah. Yeah. Jogo: No, really? I haven't seen no I haven't seen how she looks now. Gabe: Yeah. Not the body shame, it's like she definitely lost a lot of weight, but she kept all the skin. Yeah. Jogo: cool. Good for her. Carlos: But going back to cheaters, I actually met a drag queen hosting drag bingo in Palm Springs last year who openly confessed to being on cheaters and being completely completely false what she was doing on the show. Gabe: Yeah, so it was like it was definitely produced, Jogo: Really? Gabe: right? Yeah. I I I Carlos: Yeah. Gabe: know. I always figured it'cause it's like one of those shows, like the number of times I've like checked into a hotel room, turned on the TV and like cheaters is on. You know, Jogo: Mm-hmm. Gabe: it's like always that thing to just like always there's times you watch it, you're like, This can't be real. This it's like even the stabbing I call Jogo: what a bummer. Gabe: into question. Jogo: Yeah, I I can see that. Carlos: If if you're if your other half is cheating on you, is your first reaction going, Hmm, let me call T V. I wanna be on that show. Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: That's true. Also, I always kinda thought it was weird that people signed a waiver as well. Like I think as Nina mentioned too, like the people signed a waiver to be on the show that are the that are the cheaters as well. They're like, Yeah, I want to be famous. Gabe: Well yeah, that's true. Yeah. Jogo: Even if I look like Gabe: You know, Jogo: a total asshole. Yeah. Gabe: maybe you offer somebody a hundred dollars. You you'd be surprised what people will do. Jogo: True. Fifteen minutes of fame. and then Rosa chose married at first sight and love Island because you can see how some people shouldn't be dating each other and it's a disaster, so it's entertaining. Gabe: Yeah, very true. I I agree with that comment with Love Island, but on Married at First Sight, like there are times where I find myself actually rooting for the people that are on there. And there's like people that should just not be together, but at least they have like these people that seem to be professionals trying to match Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: them. Jogo: so David Antonio Garcia, he said Beast Games is up there, crazy times we live in. Gabe: I'm unfamiliar Jogo: good. Gabe: with this. Beast games? Jogo: It's pretty good. Gabe: what is it? Jogo: It's the Mr. Beast, that guy online. Carlos: I hate that show. Gabe: yeah. Yeah, screw Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: that guy. Carlos: I w I wanted to watch it but I hated the way that they prey on people. Like they choose people that are in horrible financial positions, that are really desperate, and then they ask them to do really immoral, like fucked up things for the money. So it it creates this really ugly dynamic. I thought he was I I feel I wanted I needed to take a shower after watching the first episode. I Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: couldn't I couldn't do it. Gabe: Yeah, it's it's like the Disney version of Bum Fights. Jogo: Yeah. Carlos: Exactly. Jogo: I agree. After watching all the the seasons, I was like I felt bad about it. But like Gabe: Ha ha ha. Jogo: And then let's see. I was your Fredo. It was your Fredo. I so I didn't put TV show, I put show at first initially when I posted it on the Instagram page. So this person said Perry the Perry Project, start with Windy City, Heat, and then follow with the big three podcast. So I'm not quite sure what that is, but sure it's pretty good. So let's see, the Jason Carlos: No clue. Jogo: Yeah. The Jason said the swan. Have you guys heard that that one? heard of it. Carlos: yeah, that's the extreme makeover one. Jogo: really? Carlos: Yeah. Yeah, they take these people that are homely looking or that have really bad self esteem issues and then they get them like all kinds of surgery and like dental work and like Gabe: my god. Carlos: aesthetic work and Gabe: that's why it's called the swan. Carlos: dermatological. Yeah, exactly. They're ugly ducklings that turn into swans, Gabe: Ha ha. Carlos: something like I I guess that's the concept. Jogo: yeah. Gabe: with just a little bit of surgery, huh? Jogo: Yeah, says, controversial two thousand four American reality t television show on Fox that took women women deemed ugly ducklings and subjected them to extreme full body plastic surgery and rigorous makeovers. Holy shit, that's crazy. Gabe: Wow, that is insane. That that doesn't make me feel great. It reminds me, I don't know if you guys ever seen the clip of it went viral. I remember when this aired on the E channel, when Howard Stern used to be on the E channel. He had Jogo: Mm. Gabe: like the Miss Butterface contest. Jogo: shit. Carlos: yeah, that was terrible. Jogo: So let's see. So I am Caesar Rod. he chose the circle on Netflix. Fun and interesting, except when they tried dating on there too. Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: Sure. Gabe: Yeah, that is that is weird. I are did ya have you guys watched the circle? Jogo: Yeah, I think I watched we watched like two or three seasons. I thought it was like entertaining, but we kinda fell off after a while. Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: I watched it too and I thought it was a pretty a really interesting depiction of what our society has sort of evolved into, how people behave certain ways behind the computer screen and how willing they are to misrepresent themselves and sometimes even be mean to other people through through their computers. So Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What Jogo: yeah. Gabe: I what I really liked about it, I didn't I found it really boring for the most part and I kinda stopped watching after a couple of seasons. But the season that had Shubham like Jogo: yeah. Gabe: yeah, I just I less I I watched that show 'cause I just I loved I hated all the the fakery and the the the the catfishing side of it, but like somebody Jogo: Mm-hmm. Gabe: truly being genuine in this age and being themselves and staying true and he was He who was like trying so hard to be genuine too. Like I j I loved it. He made he made me feel good. Jogo: I don't know. I feel like he was playing the game though. He was also playing the game a little bit too. Yeah. Yeah. I he seemed Gabe: For sure. Yeah, but in a genuine way, like it right. Jogo: like he he definitely was the lovable guy and people were really like, yes, this like we're rooting for him in that way. What Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: one thing Carlos: How you play matters. Jogo: Yeah. What one thing I will say that I did like about that is that even with him being like the lovable guy and everything, people that you would initially think that would be kind of like d douchebags or kind of a certain way, still even really liked him. Like they were like rooting for him and really kind to him. I thought that was really cool. Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Everybody loved him. Joey loved him. Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if he's Jogo: So it's Gabe: like a a fuckboy in real Carlos: It it's true. Gabe: life. Jogo: Joey or the other guy? Shubham I don't know. Gabe: Chewbomb. Yeah. Whatever just like a total, total like fuckboy island guy. Carlos: Mm, mm, mm. Jogo: That's name? I saw I think I saw that guy Joey before at Monster Palooza. He's like walk he was like walking around. Gabe: That sounds like something he would be at. Jogo: Let's see, and then so Chris Carlos: yeah. Jogo: Christina Garcia Duran, she chose jury duty. Gabe: that was good. Yeah. Carlos: I have not seen that. Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: It's Gabe: I completely forgot about that. Jogo: the first season wasn't really good. Gabe: I completely forgot about that. Jogo: the first season wasn't really good. Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: Wait, there's more than Jogo: I'd Gabe: one season? Jogo: yeah, the second season is is kind of like like it's like a work trip or something like that. there's like someone that is at the work trip that doesn't know that it's fake and everyone else is kind of like on board with it. Gabe: so it's not jury duty? Jogo: No, it's like some company, they go on a work trip and then everyone else is like kind of playing along with this this whole thing. But the first season is really good. I I like that a Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: lot. Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. The the the amount of work that went into it and that guy was just the the shit that he like I think it was like a courthouse in like Maywood or Linwood you know what I mean? Some random Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: s courthouse and even just straight up in like the when he was in the waiting room, at one point Jogo: Mm-hmm. Gabe: I would have been like fuck this, like I'm gonna I'm gonna like go break my leg on purpose to get out of this. Like this guy totally went through Jogo: Yeah. He seemed Gabe: it all. Jogo: he seemed pretty into it though. I think he seemed pretty intrigued by it the whole time for the most part. Gabe: I don't know. He had to know somewhere deep in the back of his mind that this is not real. Yeah. Jogo: Too weird. Yeah. So Cat Rider, she she chose alone because it challenges assumptions about what humans need to survive hugs. Carlos: Mm-hmm. Jogo: I I've not seen Alone before. Have you guys seen that? Carlos: I have not Gabe: It I always get it confused 'cause there's one where they like they're always naked and like starting fires. Carlos: Naked and afraid. Gabe: Okay, so it's not alone. Okay, alright. Carlos: No. Halloween is Jogo: What? Carlos: by themselves completely. I've seen the advertisement but I haven't watched it. Jogo: so let's see. So So Cal Basis, he chose Nathan for you. He said one of my all-time faves. Gabe: Th that's a very, very funny show. I would question it's one of those ones where like this has to be produced. Like this can't like people can't be this Jogo: yeah. Gabe: oblivious. Carlos: That was the HBO one, right? Gabe: He did did you see the follow up that he did where he flew a plane? Jogo: I watched the first few episodes. I haven't I haven't finished it, Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. There was an episode Carlos: Hmm, interesting. Gabe: he did in Long Beach as well. That that one I found. Jogo: really? Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. apparently so this antique store was having a hard time getting sales, so it was next to a bar. So he decided to open the antique bar late at night, like around two AM when the bar gets out. And he just put Jogo: yeah. Gabe: he put all the shit really close together and got people into the store so they would just knock shit down and they could charge him for it. That was the business plan. Carlos: Whoo. Gabe: and it's usually pretty fucking ridiculous and fun to watch. Jogo: Like he has like dumb plans and he kinda like plays out. Yeah. Gabe: Yeah, yeah. Jogo: If you g if you guys haven't seen the rehearsal, I would watch the rehearsal. That is a pretty crazy show. Gabe: Yeah, that sounds like a lot of setup. Jogo: Yeah. He c well he creates a whole he creates a fake bar and then within the fake bar he's he's mimicking another real bar and then he's mimicking the people the the random people in the recording of that of that bar using actors. Gabe: Yeah, yeah. Jogo: And then he's going through different like like scenarios with those actors. and then he goes home to his fake family. And it's just like it's so fucking weird. It's pretty nuts. Yeah. It's Gabe: It he's committed. Yeah. Jogo: really good. last answer in the community, Kelly's sweet, she chose Re Real World Season One. She said beginning and asked her why, she said beginning of the reality television era before people were modifying their behavior for the cameras. Very true. Gabe: Very true. I think that one is like obviously right in the beginning. Although I would argue that like cops predates it. But is cops Jogo: yeah. Gabe: a social experiment? Like I thought about that one for a little while. Jogo: I don't know. What do you think, Carlos? Do you think cops is considered a social experiment experiment? Carlos: For sure. I mean, that was more like a bavoyeurism more than Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: anything. But the the real world was one hundred percent the the forefather of reality TV. And it was done in a really great way, I think. But I think the first season especially they didn't really have the producers pick a whole bunch of people that had a personality disorders or that there would Jogo: Yeah. Carlos: conflict in the house and create drama. They were actually trying to showcase people from different walks of life, put them all together to find commonalities between them. So th the spirit of that particular season was really great. I thought it was the best season for sure. Gabe: Yeah. And yet somehow there is still drama. Jogo: Yeah. Carlos: Mm-hmm. There always is. Gabe: Ha ha ha. Jogo: Yeah, no, you're right. 'Cause it it kind of like it trusted the fact that these people were gonna create interesting television without needing a push. other than them just living in a same space together. You have like the later real world seasons where it's like, you know, they put these super toxic personalities together for a reason, like they're like, Okay, here we Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jogo: go, we're gonna get this shit going, you know? Gabe: There was a formula for sure in later seasons. But I think I would s argue even season two had that same level of kind of like T V innocence. Like the Venice one. Jogo: yeah. Gabe: it was still pretty early on. Yeah. Yeah, it was Puck. No, no, no, no, no, no. Carlos: Yeah. yeah, that that was the one with Puck, I believe. Yeah. Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: No, no. Puck was San Francisco season three. That had Pedro in it. Carlos: you're right. Jogo: That was a crazy Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jogo: to him. Carlos: That was an intense season for sure. Gabe: I think that's when they started realizing we gotta find people like Puck in the world to put on T V and and put him in a room with Pedro and see what happens. Jogo: Yeah, Carlos: Boom. yeah. And it evolved into into some crazy stuff. I mean, they they Gabe: It did. Carlos: got to the point where people would be having fights and beating people up and they wouldn't kick them out of the house. They would just keep them there and continue to let them beat on other people. It was Gabe: Yeah. Well, Carlos: pretty wild. Gabe: no, season two had the I forgot his name, David, I think the comedian and Tammy got in Carlos: That slapped the girl. Gabe: he and then there was like the Jogo: Mm-hmm. Gabe: somebody slammed a door and it hit somebody in the head, hit Beth, hit Beth in the like and they cut they all the everybody came together and kicked David out in season two. Yeah. Carlos: Yeah, that is true. Gabe: I and I think he's still bitter about it. If I s I think I saw something on the last decade or so where he seemed bitter about it. That's what it Carlos: They had a reunion show. Gabe: was. Jogo: Really? Carlos: And and I did watch it. It was like a thirty or forty year reunion. I mean, it was crazy long amount of time and they still have beef. Jogo: so now we're gonna go into our own picks. so let's see. I chose my first main choice is to catch a predator, which ran for three years from November 11, 2004, to December 28th, 2007, airing 20 episodes as a periodic special segment on Dateline NBC. here's a few different notes on it. To catch a predator, with Chris Hansen as the host, or apparently no permission was needed to show the faces of the people cut because it is protected under the First Amendment. Also the footage was considered news reporting and fell under public interest exemptions. to catch a predator led to the arrest of over 300 individuals across twelve distinct televised sting operations. So yeah. man, we we ca I rewatched a few clips today of like to catch a predator. And holy shit dude, it's such a dark Show like more than I remembered. I remembered it being like laughing at it for some reason before, and then watching it today. I was just like as an adult, like years later, I'm like, this is not funny at all. Like, this is really fucked up. Like, it's so like these people that are you know being caught, you're just like, Whew. There's like this one guy who was like 40 years old, I think he was there to meet up with a 13-year-old girl and all the texts that were like shared before were really, really like were pretty sexual, of course. And then he's there and he's like, Yeah, I brought you some snacks. And then like Chris Hansen comes out and he's like, Hey. Like Gabe: Have a seat. Jogo: Yeah. this guy just seems so like clueless and tries to pull this kind of card of like, you know, poor me, but then you're like, Fuck dude, you gotta like all these people are just so so messed up and scared, like sad in general. It's just crazy. So, although I did choose that one for my main one, I feel like after watching those clips, I'm like, ugh, never mind. No, no. Gabe: What a shitty person you are, Jose. Jogo: It's just really it. I Carlos: Yeah. Jogo: mean, it's a social experiment in that end, but it was just like The the bright side of it was that there are so many people that were, you know, three three hundred individuals across thir twelve distinct televis I televised sting operation. That's that's not nothing, you know. That's pretty pretty impressive. Carlos: Well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but coincidentally, and I promise to all the listeners that this show is not scripted, I watched Predators last night. I have you heard of Predators? Gabe: No. Jogo: No. Carlos: It's a documentary about to catch a predator. Jogo: shit. Carlos: And it's interviewing the decoys, basically, all the people that were pretending to be the kids. Jogo: Mm-hmm. Gabe: the honey pots. Carlos: they were in Exactly. They were interviewing a bunch of different people that were involved with the production, including some of the detectives. And it was shocking to hear how everybody involved with the show has insane regrets about feeling like they entrapped a lot of these people, ruined their Jogo: Really? Carlos: lives, violated their their civil rights or their right to a fair trial. the the the truth of the matter is that. Once those people started sending those nasty text messages to children, that was enough to send somebody to their house. That's a crime. Jogo: Mm-hmm. Carlos: That's enough to send somebody to their house and arrest them. But there was a real interesting conflict of interest having them lure these people to the houses just so that Chris Hansen could confront them. And what you said was literally a a great observation because that was that was exactly what they were saying last night. on that last night on the on the documentary. And it was that Chris Hansen was preying on these people in some ways because he would talk to them like a psychologist. And some of these people didn't have the cognitive ability in that moment to recognize that they were incriminating themselves. Jogo: Yeah. Carlos: And it was talk about a a a great choice for a for a social experiment. That was definitely a controversial one. And I really urge you to watch the documentary. It is really interesting. The the whole documentary ends with Chris C Hansen currently being interviewed by the director or the guy that created the the documentary and Jogo: Mm-hmm. Carlos: he puts him in the same position that he would put those people in during during the life of the show and it was a very poignant ending to the documentary. I won't give away exactly what he said, but you should watch it. Jogo: Gabe, you look like you have something Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: to say. Gabe: I I'm just thinking like part of me is like, was that a reality TV show experiment or was that just like a a fucking televised thing? You know what I mean? Like like it also like it's so weird 'cause it takes you through like a range of emotions cause initially I'm like, look at this idiot pulling up, you know, and then and then they go Jogo: Mm-hmm. Gabe: in there and and some of them just do weird shit like Like they they they wanna go in for a h the hug or you know, they go like let's go to the bedroom whatever. They say things that make you uncomfortable Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: and then and then you like start to feel bad and realize like this person's like is doing it's disgusting and and and horrible what you're doing and then you kind of feel bad for a second and then Chris Hansen pulls out his little notebook and like reads back some of the transcript and then you're like back to like what a piece of shit this guy is, like lock Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: him up and it just took you everywhere. And I think I don't know how I feel about it. I don't obviously condone any of that behavior. But like it does feel a little like entrapment, I guess. But I have this weird like, well fuck, you shouldn't be doing that. Like yeah, the whole topic just makes me all fucked up. Carlos: it's it's a topic that elicits a lot of emotion because it's a really fucked up topic. Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: but the documentary showed a lot of footage that was not aired. And there was a lot of people that were literally begging for help. They're like, I I'm sick, I need help, can I get some resources? And they were misled by Chris Hansen and other people to let them to tell them that they were gonna get some resources when it was just the police about take them down and not not give them any resources. Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The resources are waiting right outside that front door, sir. Jogo: Yeah. they're actually making a film about the show. and Robert Pattinson's in a play Chris Hansen. Gabe: God. Jogo: should be Carlos: Interesting. Jogo: yeah. And it seems pretty dark. Just like the tone of it looks very, very streamlined and dark. So we'll see how it comes out. so my runner up would be a less dark one, which is 90 day fiance. Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: how these people kind of like are obviously kind of Trying to make it work with people who would never or don't seem like they're really genuine about being with them. I think it's that's pretty sad, but it's also just like crazy entertainment. what do you guys think of it? Gabe: I love the entertainment factor of this show. I hate that it shows the abuse of the system and you know, like some of it is clearly just like, you know, it it I don't know what the word I'm looking for is, but you you kind of put on display what this this image that people have of of this program that is in many cases like actually used for people that are truly in love and want to bring their their spouses from other countries that they've met and fell in love with elsewhere, home to America. And now you have this T V show exploiting this this image that some people have. when you have people like Mohammed coming from who's I'm that's literally one of the characters, just just to be clear, Jogo: Yeah. Yes. Gabe: coming, you know, to marry this specimen of a woman. that is he's clearly not in love with. and it's just exploitative in some ways, but fuck the the the sound bites that you get from that show and the entertainment that you get from that show. It makes me feel so Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: so bad watching it. But like I love I love watching, you know, and Fisa and George argue Carlos: Yeah. I can't do it. it it it it's one of those shows where I feel like the people that they're showing a power dynamic from a very myopic perspective where the people that are desperate are always the bad guys. I feel like the other side of the coin, like the people that have the means to be controlling, domineering, that can be abusive in some ways, by the merit of their resources. I that's not highlighted as much and we know that that does exist. so I feel like it's really one-sided in terms of who the people that are portrayed as villains are. Gabe: Mm. Jogo: Yeah, but you'd be surprised. I mean, you look at like Big Ed. Gabe: Ha ha ha. Jogo: that guy is not considered like a hero of any sort, you know? And he's the person that would be deemed as someone who has like the power or in that power power dynamic. A lot of times. That guy's not a hero. That guy's a kind of a dickhead, you know? and and I do want to clear up too or make sure this is known too. I do believe that some people in that show are sincere. And some of Gabe: For sure. Jogo: those people are there for the right or the the reason of actually finding love and they have a connection with someone that been you know has been going for a good while and it's sincere. But you do have those people who were like again like Soldier Boy and I forgot the the person he was dating, who is like way, way, way older. And Soldier Boy's like he's like in his like I I wanna say like in his mid-20s or some shit. And he's an a rapper who wants to get bigger and he's like Yeah, yeah. I like you and everything and no, I don't want to sleep with you right now because I wanna I wanna like hold off, you know, it has to be special. But there's like a Gabe: Mm-hmm. Jogo: lot of like little things where you're like, Fuck, dude, this is just obvious. Gabe: Yeah. That that reminds me of I I mentioned George and Fisa earlier, right? I think one of the most quotable moments for me, minus you know, minus Mfisa's famous bring me my makeup bag. There was Geor I think George said, Would you be with me if I was poor? And I think Emphisa answered, would you be with me if I was ugly and fat? I think that kinda Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: that kinda boiled it down. Jogo: Yep. Carlos: Mm. the reality of life is that sometimes money and status is gonna play a role in the relationship dynamic. but there are some times when people are just playing out shame plain, shameless, shitty people. I didn't watch that show very much, but I did watch another show called House of Villains, where they had a couple of Gabe: god. Carlos: the people from from from that show on. One was an Fisa and the other one was Larissa. Larissa was not that bad, but Anfisa I've I don't haven't seen anyone that is so shameless about being mean and nasty and userous and materialistic Jogo: Yeah. Carlos: and it it's it was bad. It was bad. So I think there's a spectrum. Gabe: Yes. Yeah. But that is that is who she was on ninety day fiance as well. Like that is she was like Carlos: Really? Gabe: she was marrying this guy or like engaged to this guy and she was that person. Like it was toxic AF and and yeah, I I I I I'm just still like to this day, like if I think of ninety day fiance, I think of I see her face, I see her screaming, she keyed his car. She she's just she's just crazy. I think in Carlos: Jeez. Gabe: in Spanish they call that toxica, is that right? Carlos: I believe so. I think that's an international term. Gabe: Ha ha ha ha. Jogo: Mm. All right, so So let's go with Gabe. What is your pick? Okay. Gabe: I had to go through this and I mean I am just such a fan of reality TV for the most part, shamelessly. And I can't be on this without mentioning that like the gold standard of reality TV is Bravo. Whatever Bravo produces, right? Like Carlos: Ha ha ha. Gabe: I I started out as somebody who would would hate watching reality TV as Roxanne would all watch all the housewives and all that stuff. And then slowly like I would one eye move over and and it was a way for us to to bond about television. so I have a long history with reality TV now because I'm a fan of of many of the Housewives and and I sit down with Roxanne and go through it all and and I know all that shit and I'm not sh I'm I'm unashamed of it. Jogo: You shouldn't be ashamed of it. You like what you like. Gabe: Yeah. Well no, I'm ashamed. well I I was for a little while. Jogo: Hm. Hm. Gabe: But this was about social experiments. And so I kinda had to go back and think about it. And I did give it some thought and I had to land at the end of the day. For me, it definitely is the real world. and I I for me it's mostly about like you could probably relate to this, Jose, not you, Carlos, because you're you're much older. but a as as as geriatric Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: is what I I refer to myself as a geriatric millennial, right? We're like definitely in millennial, but like grew up without technology, Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: grew up in that kind of like Gen X is X-ish era. When the real world hit and like my older brothers and older cousins and older friends, it was like it was a big deal. It was like Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: MTV kind of turning into television and not so much like Always music in a way. so like it was one of those things where we'd all sit around and watch it and wait for the next week and the next episode and like how is this conflict gonna resolve and what's gonna Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: happen? And so it was like a there was a social aspect to it. and I had not experienced that until that age. I had not experienced that type of television until that age. Jogo: Well, n I mean, I didn't really have that relationship with it because my sister, who was like five years older, she wasn't really into it, so that meant like I wasn't really into it. You know, like I didn't really catch it as much. And it seemed it seemed like it was always on. Like I just remember that it always seemed like it was on in the background because they would replay all the episodes all the time. but I did I did watch it here and there. I mean, I thought it was pretty good. I thought the again the first season was really good, but I don't even know if I've watched the full like a full episode of of of any of those seasons, to be honest. I I remember seeing a lot Carlos: Yeah. Jogo: of the clips, like the the the crazy clips, and I would all like, shit, that's crazy. And then I would go do whatever, you know. Gabe: You're so uncultured. Carlos: That's more shocking Gabe: You're so uncultured. Yeah. Carlos: That's more shocking than Gabe telling me that I'm much older, not just older. Jogo: By the way, since this is a podcast, Carlos did flip off Gabe earlier when he was called geriatric. Carlos: Ratting me out. Gabe: I refer to myself as geriatric millennial. Okay. Jogo: yeah, my bad. Carlos: that's a good choice though, because I I feel like the real world was a very big cultural aspect in so many ways. being one of the older people here, much older people here. for me it was really cool to watch so much representation during that during those years. they the producers did a really great job at choosing people from all different backgrounds and that was cool. It was it was during a time when that wasn't so common. And I appreciated that. It was nice to see depictions of people that look like you or that are like you on TV. Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. And it led Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: to years and years and years of just like I don't know I I still don't know why they stopped doing it. Like when when they stopped I like how the hell are they gonna who's who's gonna go on road rules? Who's going on the challenge? Jogo: Ha Yeah, I I think they probably stopped just because all these other reality shows popped up and they were like, there's like other stuff like Big Brother and all that kind of stuff too. Gabe: I think I think culture changed. Carlos: Very true. Gabe: But I there was one that was like my very close runner up to that. It's very much like the real world. And I don't know if you guys have watched it or not, but Terrace House. Jogo: haven't Carlos: Is that the Japanese one? my. Gabe: Yes, it is it is the Japanese real world. You know, it it's like it's literally like, it's so it's it's cozy is what I call it. It's like it it's like if you like, you know, lo fi and and just kind of like it it's like the real world, but people have goals. You know what I mean? Jogo: Right. Gabe: Like yeah, like like they sit around and they talk about their like life's ambition. and their goals and the things that they're gonna do this year. And it really made me fall in love with it some parts of Japanese culture. and also made me kind of like, shit, you guys are really serious over there. but I enjoyed it. It's it's cozy and funny, is is what I would say. Jogo: Okay. Carlos: I was forced to watch it and it was not my cup of tea. It was the most boring sanitized version of reality TV I've ever seen. Nothing happens. And when something Jogo: Dang Shots fired. Carlos: when something happens and you're like, shoot, it's about to get going, then the house, the housemates get together and they're like, We're gonna sit down and resolve this with empathy, and we're gonna reflect back to each other Gabe: Yes. Jogo: Ha ha. Carlos: what the other person is telling us. And we're gonna have a wonderful resolution to this where everybody's happy. And then you're like, Gabe: And cook curry. Carlos: I just wasted a half a season for this. Gabe: Yeah, yeah. No th there there's some Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: good there's some good drama and there's some good funny moments in there, but there's always conflict resolution. you know, it yeah. Jogo: So is so is Carlos: Yes. Jogo: it like the first season of reality of of Real World then? So it 'cause it's like less kind of intense? Gabe: No, it's yeah, Carlos: No. Gabe: no, no, not at all. It's it's co it's cozy world. Yeah. Jogo: Okay. Everyone's like super polite and like responsible. Okay. Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: Well adja well adjusted, n mindful. Gabe: Yeah. It's very it's very Japanese. Well yeah, yeah, Jogo: Cool. That's cool. Gabe: yeah. I love it though. I love it. I I highly recommend everybody watch it. It it's it's it's a great show. Makes me feel good. Carlos: Especially if you have insomnia, it it's a really good show to watch. Gabe: Well, Jogo: It's a fall asleep. D do you have any other picks, Gabe? Gabe: you know the other two that like really one of them just because like it's just good drama, like I have a hard time with it, but I watch it anyways. Love is blind. I I think generally like I'm not a fan of Netflix reality, except for Love on the Spectrum, which I find very interesting. Jogo: Yes. Shout out. Carlos: It's cute. I love that one. Jogo: It's a good show. Gabe: it's so good. It's so good. and then as far as like experiments go. I'm watching it now and it's actually got me I had not watched it for like, I don't know, the last ten years or something and I started watching again now and I'm kind of I don't wanna say hooked, but very entertained this season, which is Married at First Sight. Jogo: we we we started we started watching that this this season as well too. Gabe: Yeah, yeah, it's entertaining for some reason. Like you kind of want to root for people, then you're like, why the hell are you guys doing this? Jogo: Yeah. There there's a couple of people where I was like, Really? Like you guys didn't have anyone else to match with anybody else? You just have these two people? Like Gabe: Yeah. Right. Right. And these people are like experts. They seem like they're experts Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: at least. Like what are you doing putting these people together? Jogo: Carlos, you what what are your picks? Carlos: All right. So mine are well the the first one, my top pick is one that is actually connected to a social experiment. Jogo: Mm. Carlos: And that Gabe: Mm-hmm. Carlos: would be The Traitors. The Traitors is Gabe: Yes. Carlos: this TV show that was based off of Mafia or or Werewolf, which is Jogo: Mm-hmm. Carlos: a a board game that I actually enjoy. but it all it all has a connection to 1960s French psychologist, I think his name was Sergei something. but it's the the whole concept is about deliberately pitting people that have information, a minority of people that have information against a majority that don't have access to the same information and proving how that dynamic always puts the people with the information, the that minority, in a position of power and advantage. And to me that was social psychology nerd heaven. and Alan Cumming, you have to watch it just to see what the hell he's gonna wear the next week because that yes, the outfits! my god, he's Gabe: His outfits. Those outfits. Yeah. Yeah. Carlos: one of those, he did not listen to Coco Chanel and take something off before leaving the house. He's one of those. I'm putting three things on before leaving the house. It is wild, and I I loved Gabe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Carlos: it. And the US one is interesting because they have mostly reality celebrities. but then you watch the UK one that has regular mostly regular people, everyday people, and the the outcomes are pretty similar actually. So it's been interesting comparing UK versus New Zealand, Australia, Canada. Canadians are definitely a lot more polite and nicer, but the rest Gabe: Sorry. Carlos: are pretty similar. Jogo: Damn, that's cool. Carlos: So that Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: is that's my top pick. and I think a close second is one that I am shocked nobody mentioned, especially from the questions that you asked online. And that's Survivor. That is like the OG social experiment. it's Gabe: Na Jogo: I'm not surprised. Carlos: it's about alliances and scarcity, betrayal. it's all these different situations where you're deprived of all the comforts in life while having to have a sharp mind and outmaneuver a bunch of people that are trying to outmaneuver you. And I I think it's really it's a really cool strategy show if you're into strategy. I love that. Jogo: So aud audience, pretty much, Carlos and I wanna say were you also part of that whole thing, Gabe, and with yeah. Gabe: very much so. Very much so, yes. Jogo: And r and our other Carlos: Survivor. Yeah. Jogo: friend Ray. These guys were like big Survivor heads before I kinda like hung w hung hung around with them. And I think they would like kind of like have a certain night where they get together and watch Survivor or something, right? Gabe: Yeah, we would do weekly Survivor Carlos: yeah. Gabe: nights, with betting polls every week with long even with like big payouts Carlos: They were bets. Gabe: for the the season, the opener bet and yeah, it was a it was a lot of fun. It was an excuse to get together and watch the show and bet money on it. Carlos: Yeah, it was it was definitely a fun way to watch it. I love that. Gabe: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Carlos: Yeah, so that's my runner upper. And I think right now the one that I'm kind of really hooked on is one that's been on the air for a long time, maybe five years. And I was bored and watched one episode and I could not believe how raw, how unscripted, how vulnerable these people were being. And that's couples therapy. Jogo: Okay. Is that is that on like what what what is that that on? Gabe: Showtime, I think. I think that's Showtime. Or Paramount, whatever that Carlos: It yeah. Gabe: is, yeah. Jogo: Paramount. Yeah, I think that's right. I I was gonna say showtime, but I'm like, is there a showtime still? But yeah, like Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: It started on showtime, now it's Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: on Paramount and it's interesting because the the there's no there's no way this is scripted. The way that the the human reactions, the confessions, the vulnerability by some of these people. I j I can't even believe that some of these people agreed to be filmed during these moments. it's it's it's it's a cool show. Gabe: Do you watch that alone or with your partner? Carlos: I watch it with my partner and we actually Gabe: god. Jogo: Mm-hmm. Carlos: taught we ta we have conversations about it and it's it's really it's really bonding. I like it. Gabe: It's bonding, so you guys don't like take sides and then start arguing, you know, amongst each other. Jogo: Like you do that too, Carlos, or something that yeah. Carlos: No, we we've taken the approach of not personalizing it and understanding that within both of us there are similarities from multiple people and sometimes the same people. You know, like we are we're all flood people. We're learning how to be bet better to our partners. And I feel like those are people who are on the screen having the world highlight all of their faults and You can do something positive with it, I think, by learning from it or having a mindful conversation with your partner about it. I think Rosa would really like it. Jogo: I think we try to watch some of it, but we didn't really get too too deep into it. But I think what you just said right now makes sense for a lot of reality TV. It's the what makes them so entertaining for most people is that these shows highlight their faults, like people's faults, and you know, it's so easy to kind of be like, look, that person's like this, ha ha ha, and like this guy's a piece of shit, or you know, whatever. but it it makes us kind of feel like we're getting a glimpse of like People who how they really are without being polite all the time. Gabe: Yeah. Jogo: And I think that's what kind of makes reality T V kind of interesting. Gabe: that's that's the kind of show like that one for me, I I I don't I feel like I've maybe seen an episode or two, but it's the kind of show that I I don't know that I'd want to watch with Roxanne. Like for you, you say it's bonding Carlos. Like I don't think before I speak. It was like make Carlos: Yeah. Gabe: it's my biggest problem. So I'm the kind of guy or like I'd be watching that show and I'd be like, that's the same shit you do, Roxanne. You know, like I mean like I I Jogo: Yeah. Gabe: I'm not gonna I'm not learning. I'm just gonna start bitching with people when I watch it, you know. Carlos: Well let me flip that on Jogo: Si, si, si. Carlos: you. Let me Gabe: Yeah. Carlos: f let me flip that on you. What if you're watching somebody who's doing that to their partner, not thinking before they talk? And then you and then you can reflect on that. Gabe: I don't I don't I don't wanna see that shit. I don't wanna see it. I I I'm good. I don't need to change. Fuck you. I'm fine. I'm fine. Jogo: Hm. True, true. Damn. Cool. Well, that has been our show. thank you guys for being on the show. also thanks for joining me on this episode. Do you guys have any plugs or anything you want to say? Carlos, you want to go first? Carlos: I wanna say thank you. This was a lot of fun. It's always nice to hang out with you guys, but I want to particularly highlight Jose. You're always doing super creative, feel good, positive things, artistic things that I I love having access to those invitations and all of those cool things that you do. So thank you. I'm plugging you, you're awesome. Jogo: Cool. I appreciate that. I do wanna pa I do wanna plug your business though, Canine High School. if you're in the Long Beach area or the surrounding Long Beach areas, hit up Carlos, hit up Canine High School. Carlos: Absolutely. Not just in Long Beach, we are online. So K9Highschool.com. we're actually doing a lot of outreach right now, providing low cost professional dog training to people that may not necessarily have access to to that kind of professional dog training work. So if you know anybody that's struggling with their dog, I think better than relinquishing their pets and having them end up at a shelter, try to get some help. And we have some resources for everyone. So yeah. Jogo: Cool. Gabe, anything? Anything you got anything? Gabe: Awesome. yeah, yeah. I'll just reiterate what Carlos said. a lot of fun doing this. It was it, you know, this being together here on a podcast makes me realize like we have to be together in person soon. it's it's it's been too long, not that long, but too long. and yeah, I just love what you're doing. This is a lot of fun. if for plugs, you can catch me on an upcoming episode of the Best Bost podcast. so Jogo: Nice. There you go. I was wondering where you're going with that. I was like, okay. Yeah, y you know, like we all s used to live in the same city and we used to all hang out all the time and just kinda like that was always so much fun. I feel like there's certain points in in people's lives where like everything is just extremely enjoyable. Everyone's just mixing together, having drinks, having dinner parties or whatever, and then you just you know, that passes, but you still have those really great memories. So it's good to always see you guys. so let's see, I do want to thank All the listeners, I did take a good break for a good amount of time. I didn't do the playlist, but yes, great to be back thank you so much for listening and I do wanna say remember there are no guilty pleasures when it comes to music, movies, and all art preferences. Love what you love and enjoy what you enjoy. That connection is such a gift. Until next time, take care and take care of each other. Bye bye. Gabe: Bye. Jogo: Carlos is waving. Carlos: Bye bye. Jogo: Carlos is waving. Alright. Carlos: I keep doing that.