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Bonus Episode: Jay-Z Developments, Sid and Nancy, and a One Buck Utopia · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's full episode subject said Vicious, Sean Diddy,
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  Speaker 1: Combs and jay Z. We got an update for you.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting into the next two episodes that are hitting
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  Speaker 1: your feet in honor of the Academy Awards that are
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  Speaker 1: coming up. First Dorothy Stratton and then our part two
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  Speaker 1: episode on Martin Scorsese, and we get into your voice, text, DMS,
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  Speaker 1: emails and as always, a whole lot of rosie. Alright,
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  Speaker 1: disc goes, let's get into it all right, So just
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  Speaker 1: imagine we're not sitting here in February. We're not blanketed
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  Speaker 1: in snow, We're not freezing our butts off. Imagine it's
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  Speaker 1: the summer. It's summer twenty twenty five, there's a worldwide
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  Speaker 1: cooling in temperature. It's perfect weather everywhere. It's seventy two
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  Speaker 1: and sunny. There's no humidity at the beach. This morning,
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  Speaker 1: you pulled a perfect pearl from an oyster. It was
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  Speaker 1: your second pearl on what seems like an endless vacation.
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  Speaker 1: There's peace in the Middle East. At home here in America,
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  Speaker 1: there's consensus among voters and our leaders on the direction
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  Speaker 1: of the country is to follow Morrissey and Johnny mar
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  Speaker 1: They've reunited the Smiths, as have Jack and Meg White
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  Speaker 1: the White Stripes. Both bands are on tour right now
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  Speaker 1: and tickets are only twenty bucks each. There are no
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  Speaker 1: additional fees. Even Okay, Congress has passed the Buck Stops
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  Speaker 1: Here Bill, a bipartisan piece of legislation that makes it
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  Speaker 1: illegal to charge more than a dollar for a hot dog,
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  Speaker 1: a coffee, or a glass of cheap beer. And Sean
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  Speaker 1: Ditty Combs has just been convicted of sex trafficking, racketeering, conspiracy,
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  Speaker 1: and transportation to engage in prostitution. The evidence against Ditty
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  Speaker 1: numerous videotapes showing him committing unthinkable sex crimes against his
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  Speaker 1: victims while being cheered on by other complicit a list
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  Speaker 1: celebrities is so damning that he's given the maximum sentence
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  Speaker 1: one hundred years plus life in a federal prison where
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  Speaker 1: he will spend all of the rest of his breathing moments.
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  Speaker 1: You want all of these things to happen, sure, but
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they will. Okay, we didn't get
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  Speaker 1: justice for sid Vicius's death. You can hear all about
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  Speaker 1: that in this week's full episode of Disgrace San And
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  Speaker 1: this past week we learned that the case against jay
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  Speaker 1: Z was thrown out and that got me thinking, what
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  Speaker 1: in the hell is actually going to happen with this
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  Speaker 1: coming Sean Diddy Comb's trial. Do we think Comb's is guilty.
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  Speaker 1: That's a tough question. We've talked about it a bunch here,
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  Speaker 1: and you know we have evolving opinions on this, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Combs has been indicted and legally accused in multiple cases,
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  Speaker 1: criminal and civil, of sexual assault, abuse, and sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs denies all of these charges. Now when
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  Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, Combs has also been accused
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of other things, Okay, of grooming, of
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  Speaker 1: running a large scale celebrity blackmail operation and even of murder.
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  Speaker 1: Over on TikTok. With one quick search, you can find
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  Speaker 1: numerous videos accusing Sean Diddy Combs of murdering his ex
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  Speaker 1: wife kim Porter, of conspiring with jay Z to have
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  Speaker 1: so called Becky with the Good Hair to have her oft.
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  Speaker 1: There are those who accuse Sean Combs of having something
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  Speaker 1: to do with the deaths of Andre Herrel and Heavy d,
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  Speaker 1: even Aliyah and Whitney Houston TikTok conspiracy theories about Sean Combs. However,
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  Speaker 1: they do not stop there. The hip hop mogul is
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  Speaker 1: not only accused of sexually grooming underage pop stars Usher
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  Speaker 1: at the time and Justin Bieber also at the time.
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  Speaker 1: But you can hear and you can watch on TikTok
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  Speaker 1: ai Sean Combs. You can see this artificial intelligence content.
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  Speaker 1: You can see how do we refer to that AI content?
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't sound right anyways, It's AI generated content depicting Comb's
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  Speaker 1: raping and abusing Meek Mill, Bad Bunny and that fat
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  Speaker 1: dude from Family Matters the Dad. Not only are you
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  Speaker 1: going to get this deep fake content over on TikTok
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  Speaker 1: again audio and video, you're gonna get testimony from members
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  Speaker 1: of Sean Combs's inner circle, all right, mostly bodyguards and such,
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  Speaker 1: testifying on video corroborating these wild conspiracy theories. Now, to
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  Speaker 1: my knowledge, Sean Diddy Combs hasn't dignified these rumors. These
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  Speaker 1: the wildest of these rumors were a response, and he
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  Speaker 1: certainly hasn't admitted guilt in any way. And I am
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  Speaker 1: in no way suggesting that he is culpable for the
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  Speaker 1: wildest of these conspiracies that are being charged against Cobs
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  Speaker 1: so far, other than the actual video we have showing
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  Speaker 1: Sean did he Comb's viciously beating on his ex girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, who, lets remind ourselves, accused Combs of abuse.
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  Speaker 1: Combs denied it, and then he settled with Cassie for
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  Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a day later, and then he denied
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  Speaker 1: all the subsequent abuse charges that were brought against him
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  Speaker 1: after that, charges by Rodney Little, Rod Jones and others.
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  Speaker 1: And then we saw and then we saw the video
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  Speaker 1: of Comb's beating Cassie that not only proved that Combs
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  Speaker 1: was an abuser, but it was also a proof that
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  Speaker 1: he is a liar or was a liar. That he
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  Speaker 1: lied about it. Okay, So aside from that evidence, however,
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  Speaker 1: nothing has leaked. No other evidence has leaked. There's been
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  Speaker 1: zero other evidence proving Sean Combs is guilty in any
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  Speaker 1: of these seedier, more outrageous TikTok conspiracy theories which bring
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  Speaker 1: me to jay Z. Jay Z is wrapped up with
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  Speaker 1: Sean Combs and a lot of these conspiracy theories as
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  Speaker 1: well over on TikTok and the civil case against jay
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  Speaker 1: Z that was just thrown out last week a couple
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  Speaker 1: of days ago, had a lot to do with Sean Combs. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but puff it's gone. Why we don't really fully know
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  Speaker 1: yet officially because of quote unquote inconsistencies with the accuser's account,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm betting there was also a lack of evidence here.
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  Speaker 1: But that case is dead, jay Z free and clear.
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  Speaker 1: How does this relate to Sean Diddy Combs. So what
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  Speaker 1: we have to ask ourselves is the actual evidence against
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  Speaker 1: Sean Diddy Combs. What is there that is going to
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  Speaker 1: prevent Sean Diddy Combs and his case from going puff
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  Speaker 1: the way the jay Z's did. How consistent are the
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  Speaker 1: accounts from Sean Diddy Combs's accusers. How consistent are those
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  Speaker 1: accounts going to be on the stand. Let's cut the chase.
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  Speaker 1: What I believe that most people want, and maybe this
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  Speaker 1: is just because I'm fucked up and I'm being cynical here,
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  Speaker 1: but what I believe that most people want is they
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  Speaker 1: want Sean Ditty Combs to be found guilty, not only
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  Speaker 1: everything that he's accused of legally in that federal indictment,
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  Speaker 1: but also of everything that he's accused of on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a burning appetite in this country after
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  Speaker 1: years of injustice, particularly around the Jeffrey Epstein case. There's
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  Speaker 1: a yearning for justice when it comes to powerful people,
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  Speaker 1: particularly famous people who've abused their power, or who we
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  Speaker 1: believe to have abused their power. And I believe that
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  Speaker 1: most people want these atrocious conspiracy theories to be true,
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  Speaker 1: and that they want Diddy to be found guilty, and
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  Speaker 1: they want all of his celebrity friends to be found
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  Speaker 1: guilty too. Lebron and Kevin, Oprah and Gail and Ellen
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  Speaker 1: and Ashton and even the Donald. They're all on tape, right,
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  Speaker 1: They all gotta burn alongside Ditty? Am I one of
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  Speaker 1: these people? I don't know? Some days, sometimes I want
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  Speaker 1: the most entertaining outcome to be true just out of
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  Speaker 1: pure selfishness. The caveman part of me, I guess, wants
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  Speaker 1: some vengeance, but I try to keep that instinct pretty
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  Speaker 1: tamped down for the most part. You know, Ultimately, more
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  Speaker 1: than anything, I don't want these stories, the crazy conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: TikTok theory, I don't want any of it to be true.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that the best outcome is that Sean
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  Speaker 1: Diddy Coombs is actually innocent of what he's being accused of,
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  Speaker 1: because then there's no victims, then there's no collateral damage.
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  Speaker 1: I do I think that's going to happen. No, Do
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  Speaker 1: I think he's guilty of what he's being accused of
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok, of all these wild conspiracy theories. Do I
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  Speaker 1: think that he's going to be convicted of that We're
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  Speaker 1: going to find out it, you know, factually, that he
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  Speaker 1: did these things and that he's going to go to
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  Speaker 1: jail for them. As I teed it up at the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of this episode, I don't think so. That said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not naive. Where there's smoke, there's fire, But we
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  Speaker 1: have to look at the facts, especially in light of
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  Speaker 1: this jay Z case being dismissed again on account of
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  Speaker 1: inconsistencies with the accusers account and likely lack of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: How strong is the evidence against Shandity Combs. We don't know, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but we've heard nothing about evidence that the Feds have
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  Speaker 1: that his legal accusers have. We've heard nothing in the
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  Speaker 1: way of real evidence. I'm not talking again, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: talking about the TikTok accusations. We've heard nothing and we've
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  Speaker 1: seen nothing that supports any of those TikTok conspiracy theories. Nothing,
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  Speaker 1: all right. All we know for sure is the following.
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  Speaker 1: Shandy Combs is in jail awaiting trial. The Feds, his
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  Speaker 1: accusers believe in this case. They brought the case. The
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  Speaker 1: judge believes Combs is too big a threat to be
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  Speaker 1: let out on bail. We don't know what the evidence is.
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  Speaker 1: We can only assume it supports the sexual assault, the abuse,
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  Speaker 1: the sex trafficking, and the RICO charges that the federal
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  Speaker 1: government is charging him with as of yet. As of late,
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  Speaker 1: no other high profile friends of Sean Combs have been
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  Speaker 1: legally accused, except for jay Z, who had the case
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  Speaker 1: thrown out again for inconsistencies from his accuser is Sean
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  Speaker 1: Didty Comb's going to be found guilty when he stands
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  Speaker 1: trial in two months. I don't know. Do I think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get earth shattering evidence that incriminates not
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  Speaker 1: only Combs but also his A list celebrity friends in
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  Speaker 1: crimes that are unspeakable in most places except for the
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  Speaker 1: dark corners of TikTok At this point, judging by what
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  Speaker 1: went down with the jay Z case, and giving that
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  Speaker 1: there's been no again there's been no other actual evidence
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  Speaker 1: released or leaked to suggest otherwise, I really don't think so. However,
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  Speaker 1: this is still America, and just like Sean Didty, Combs
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  Speaker 1: maintains his right to plead the fifth so as not
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  Speaker 1: to incriminate himself, I maintained the right to change my
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  Speaker 1: mind new evidence. I'm not a dumb ass, but this
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  Speaker 1: is where I'm at at the moment. This jay Z
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  Speaker 1: thing threw me. I did not see this coming. I
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  Speaker 1: did not see this thing getting thrown out. So that's
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  Speaker 1: where we're at. I haven't done a Diddy update in
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  Speaker 1: a while. That's the Diddy update you know again out
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  Speaker 1: here throwing it at you guys because of the jay
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  Speaker 1: Z news. Thought I should bring it up. It's definitely changed,
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  Speaker 1: adjusting the way that I'm thinking. It's definitely affecting the
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  Speaker 1: way that I'm thinking I should say. But I'm interested
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  Speaker 1: to know what you guys think, all right, So hit
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  Speaker 1: me up and let me know what do you think
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  Speaker 1: is going to happen here with Sean Combs. Now, I
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: mentioned it at the top of the show, the injustice
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: surrounding Sid Vicious' death. We get into that in this
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  Speaker 1: week's full episode on Sid and Nancy, a classic Love
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  Speaker 1: Kills episode of disgrace slaying that we brought back for
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  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. Now, the Oscars they're coming up, and with
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  Speaker 1: it being Valentine's Day, so the Valentine's Day Day season,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we have another wild love Kills them story.
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  Speaker 1: themed episode comes from Hollywood. It's on Dorothy Stratton. Now,
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  Speaker 1: promise of Dorothy Stratton's burgeoning Hollywood career, and then it
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  Speaker 1: all ended quickly, violently, and disastrously. And I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: the wild story about the murder that director Martin Scorsese
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  Speaker 1: did not commit. The murder Martin Scorsese needed his friends
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  Speaker 1: one legendary Hollywood night. This might be my favorite episode yet.
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  Speaker 1: for a while. The story is legendary in Hollywood. It
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  Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino would speak about it from time to time,
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  Speaker 1: This episode guys, it's like remember the Muppet mupp Babies.
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  Speaker 1: episode on Sit and Nancy, we asked the question which
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  Speaker 1: celebrity couples were the most toxic and this is what
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  Speaker 1: we heard back from you, guys, ad on Instagram. Rights. Hey, hi,
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  Speaker 1: Jake Ad from the four one to ero with my
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  Speaker 1: contribution for the worst and roll couple, Which rock and
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  Speaker 1: roll couple could possibly be worse? And the ultra cringey
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  Speaker 1: couple of Jerry Lee Lewis and his thirteen year old
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  Speaker 1: cousin Myra Gale. Hard to fault Myra Gale in this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing, not that you're doing that four one zero,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: but you know she was thirteen and uh what a
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: whirl win that stirred up. I hear you great one
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  Speaker 1: name and you know, awesome for us to be able
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to call back to our Jerry le Lewis episode. You
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: guys can check that out. That's in the archive. You
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: have not heard it yet. That is the very first
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: episode of Disgrace Sland. Chris Hillman on Spotify chimes in
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: on this topic, writing, Hey, Jake, didn't know much about
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: this story, but o MG crazy. I mean, Sid beats
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the murder rap for killing Nancy and then his mother. Basically, well,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it away for you guys here.
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  Speaker 1: What didn't see this coming at all? Awesome episode, love
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  Speaker 1: definitely kills. As for worst rock and roll couples, my
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: pick is Pam and Tommy loved this podcast, Chris and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: everyone else. I've long wanted to do a Pam and
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  Speaker 1: Tommy episode, and maybe that's in the future. There's so
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: much so I did a Motley Crue episode. There's so
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: much more there, though, and a Pam and Tommy episode
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  Speaker 1: might be a way in. All right, let's hear from
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  Speaker 1: the five to four to oh on Sid and Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Jake, this is justin from the five four zero.
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  Speaker 2: I just finished listening to the didn't Nancy episode. I'm
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: only listening to that thing like four times probably, but
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that is some of your best work. That is amazing.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, It's just the way you tell
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: the story. It comes across so vividly and so just
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, the utter despair and grit and grime of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventies London, nineteen seventies New York. It was all
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: just you know, a complete shit show. But they had
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: some of the best music in the whole damn world.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what Mike said, all right, But I appreciate
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: your story telling, man, I like that story. Rock and Rolling.
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  Speaker 1: Justin thanks to your voicemail, Man, happy you're digging the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: grime and the crime and the CID and the Nancy story.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate your call and appreciate your listening. Six one seven
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  Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. I talked last
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  Speaker 1: week a little bit about and I think I did
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it only in the Yeah, I did. I did the
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  Speaker 1: recommendations in the exclusive portion of the after party, so
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you guys missed out if you're not All Access members.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: But I gave some Valentine's recommendations, and one of them
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I won't I'll share it now because Valentine's Day has
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: passed for the most part, I mean, I mean those
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: still some of us celebrating, you know, for the lovers
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: out there, I recommended Rocky as one of my favorite
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: love stories and eight to eight rights and hey, Jake,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I cannot agree with you. More on the Rocky love story.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: When I proposed to my wife, I used Rocky's proposal
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to Adrian voice and all. It was awesome piece Lee
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  Speaker 1: in the four one two Lee. That is some serious
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Rocky commitment there, proposing to your wife and the visistalone.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Boyd you want to get married to? What? Okay, let's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: see what else we got here? All right? More on
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  Speaker 1: Prince versus Michael Jackson. This one won't die three h
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  Speaker 1: two writes in I will die on the hill of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: not being able to compare Prince and Michael Jackson. Sure
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: they were of the same time, Sure they benefited from MTV,
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  Speaker 1: but what they did was colossally different. MJ was a
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  Speaker 1: pop singer and dancer. Prince was a musician. He played
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the instruments and all styles of music. He was pop, rock, soul, funk, jazz, blues,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and sprinkled gospel and even did at least one rap.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: There's styles as musicians were hugely different. Okay, there's styles.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Weren't that different. I mean, come on, you're really really
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: nippicking here. I think to say that Prince and Michael
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Jackson's styles were did you say colossally different, hugely different? Yeah? Man,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like this is like saying
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you can't compare Pedro Martinez to Manny Ramirez because one
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: guy was a pitcher and the guy was a hitter.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: They both played during the same time, they both contributed
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to the game at the same time. Who would you
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: rather have on your team? Type of thing? Right, you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm in the wrong. I like, you know, I
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: like this. I like this one, Prince versus Michael Jackson.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You guys like it too. Keep it coming, all right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: This one comes from the three to two three. Hey man,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Spike here from Hollywood. I just wanted to say thank
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you for your show. I was raised on rock and roll.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Mom's a hippie, dad was a biker, and growing up,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: my father used to tell me stories about all the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: rock stars we love, Janis, Jimmy, Mick, Keith, David, Iggy,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Lou Courtney, Kurt, etcetera. Stories about all the messed up
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: shit they did and whether they survived or didn't. It
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was basically the premise of your podcast. Anyway, my father
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: died three years ago and I just wanted to say
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: thank you for keeping that part of him alive. For me,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: feels like I'm with him when I listened to your show. PS,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: if you can give a shout out to my cap
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Bam bam, he would very much appreciate that. Thanks again, brother. Oh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I guess the shout out to my dad wherever he
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is now. That would be good too. That's in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: three two three three two three shout out to you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: your dad and Bam bam. Appreciate the listening, appreciate the text.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
• 23:12
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• 23:15
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• 23:17
  Speaker 1: answers from you guys relative to our upcoming episode on
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese, and it is this question, who is your
• 23:23
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• 23:27
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  Speaker 1: with your emails reviews, the Story of the Week, and
• 23:39
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• 23:43
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• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Welcome back the Disgraceland's Story of the Week. Listen you
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  Speaker 1: know this. It can be any story from your rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll past or from rock and roll history that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you think best represents the rock and roll spirit and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that you want to share with us here in Disgraceland.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: This week's Story of the Week is extra special because
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it entails our sid in Nancy episode, and it comes
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  Speaker 1: from a gentleman named Knox Bronson. Hey, Jake, let me
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: first say how much I enjoy Disgraceland. I love every
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: single episode. I just listened to your sid Vicious podcast
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to share something with you. Twenty years
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: ago or so, I read a blog post by Don
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Eden telling the story of when, as a young woman,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: she was hanging out in Washington Square Park and met
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a junkie named John Spacely. John Spacey told her that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: if she would loan him ten dollars, he would tell
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: her who really killed Nancy Spongent. He told her who
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the real murderer was. But the reader of this blog post.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Me had to write to her to see who it was,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: so naturally I did. And again, guys, this is Knox
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Bronson saying me, not me. The story week goes on.
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  Speaker 1: The email goes on at the time she was an
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  Speaker 1: ex party girl turned Christian blogger. We had a short correspondence.
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  Speaker 1: I shared my own John Spacely stories. She has since
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  Speaker 1: turned into a fairly successful author. So the emailer goes
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  Speaker 1: on to say, fifty years ago or more, I knew
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  Speaker 1: John Spacely in Berkeley, California. He was always a character.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: He moved to LA at some point. When David Bowie
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: took his Diamond Dogs tour to Los Angeles in nineteen
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: seventy four, a bunch of us flew down to see
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the show, staying at the Continental Hyatt. I think some
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of the details of the seventies are foggy. Anyway, Spacely
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  Speaker 1: and I and a couple of other people were drinking
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  Speaker 1: in the bar the morning of the show and decided
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  Speaker 1: at eleven am to go up to Spacely's room and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: drink some more. We got on the elevator and Iggy
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  Speaker 1: Pop was standing at the back, chin on his chest.
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  Speaker 1: Spacely said, Hey, Jim, how's it going. Iggy shook his
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  Speaker 1: head and grunted something, and Spacely said, you've been doing drugs.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Same response, You've been drinking. Same response. So Spacely, I
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  Speaker 1: did Iggy up to his room and we all went
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  Speaker 1: there and had a few beers or whatever. And I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: doubt Iggy remembers, but I'll never forget it. John Spacey
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  Speaker 1: was a cool guy. It's really too bad the needle
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  Speaker 1: gut him. Here's a promo of the movie he was in. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so there's a lot more. Here goes on to say
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  Speaker 1: that Spacely was briefly the publisher of Punk Magazine until
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the drugs took him over. Anyways, he finishes the story
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  Speaker 1: by saying that John Spacely told the blogger Don Eden
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  Speaker 1: that Sid Vicious was innocent and it was Sid in
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  Speaker 1: Nancy's drug dealer who killed Nancy while she was knotted off.
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  Speaker 1: Could it be Thanks again, Knox Bronson Knox, thank you
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: very much. This story jive somewhat with the story that
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I've long since heard people have been actually writing this
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: on commenting publicly on our recent Instagram post on Sid
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Vicious about who who really killed Nancy. Our episode deals
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: more with who killed Sid, but there's there's long been
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: rumors that it was a drug dealer, perhaps another junkie.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna to get into their names here, but
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: if you want to go onto my Instagram account and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you can just look through the content there and you
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: can see who people are naming. There's one name that
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: keeps coming up. I have not heard John Spacely's name
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: before here. I'm not saying that John Spacely had anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with this. I'm not trying to represent Don
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  Speaker 1: Eden's commentary as being the truth here, but I think
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's interesting because one of the conspiracy involves a name
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that some of you will recognize and a nameless junkie.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: John Spacely could very well be that nameless junkie. I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, but this story, the death of Nancy Spongeen
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and how she actually died, probably deserves some more investigation anyway. Knox,
• 27:41
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• 28:39
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• 28:42
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• 28:45
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• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It's the perfect length, and the topics are varied, but
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  Speaker 1: where Jake really shines is in his ability to make
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  Speaker 1: musicians and genres i'd normally not give a second chance
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  Speaker 1: we are back, guys. We didn't mention a lot of
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: previously covered artists in this episode, aside from jay Z
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and Diddy, I do want to call out our led
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Zeppelin episode from our archive and invite all of you
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to re listen to that story. Given that The Mighty
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Zeppelin are currently burning up movie theaters across the country
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: right now. If they're a new documentary which I cannot
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  Speaker 1: So let's recap, shall we. Number one, I want your story,
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  Speaker 1: might be our story of the week, story about any
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  Speaker 1: rockstar that you're aware of, something you may have experienced
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  Speaker 1: in person, something you may have heard about from rock
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  Speaker 1: two right now in your feed our episode on Sid
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  Speaker 1: and next week our episode on Martin Scorsese. It's our
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: part two episode on Martin Scorsese. Basically, you know it's
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  Speaker 1: him becoming his taxi driver character. You're not gonna want
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  Speaker 1: You know who you are. Number five, Remember, no one
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  Speaker 1: cares about preserving the true spirit or rock and roll
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: more than you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: This week's episode subject sid Vicious died on February second,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, and in honor of Si, here are
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  Speaker 1: the Billboard charts from that day. Number one Ley Freak
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  Speaker 1: by Chic last week one peak position one weeks on
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  Speaker 1: chart fifteen number two YMC A Village People last week
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  Speaker 1: three peak position two weeks on chart sixteen number three.
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  Speaker 1: Do you Think I'm Sexy? Last week four? Peak position
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  Speaker 1: is three weeks on charts on seven number four. A
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  Speaker 1: Little More Love Olivia Newton Johns last week is six
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  Speaker 1: peak peak position sheeks four weeks on chart number eleventh,
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  Speaker 1: number five seven Too Much Heaven last speaches last peak
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  Speaker 1: position one People Freaks on chart number six My Life,
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  Speaker 1: Quit talking and start mixing. You want to get married
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  Speaker 1: or what