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Body Bags With Joseph Scott Morgan: The New Jersey Mansion Murders - Part 1 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body das, but Joseph's gotten more. As many of you know,
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Speaker 1: I've always had a fascination with the fire service. I
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Speaker 1: think that maybe a lot of it has to do
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Speaker 1: with a little boy in me. When I was a
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Speaker 1: little boy. Actually, my uncle, who my dearly loved, bought
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Speaker 1: me a Texaco fire chief fire helmet that actually had
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Speaker 1: a radio inside of it. Now this is in the sixties.
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Speaker 1: This was really high tex stuff. But just the pure
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Speaker 1: bravery of what these people do. The old adage of
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Speaker 1: while everyone else is running away from a burning structure,
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Speaker 1: they're running into it. But just for a moment, think
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Speaker 1: about this. A fire at a home, a mansion as
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Speaker 1: it's been referred to, was so big that it took
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Speaker 1: almost twenty fire companies to come and knock this thing down.
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Speaker 1: And when they finally got it knocked down, they discovered
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Speaker 1: the bodies of three individuals inside of that home. And oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, outside of that mansion, another descendent lying
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Speaker 1: in the front yard with five gunshot wounds. I'm Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, and this is body bags. I've got a
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Speaker 1: pretty good relationship with the firefighters here in where Kim
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Speaker 1: and I live in Jacksonville, Alabama, And I have taken
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Speaker 1: my grandson, who is six years old, to the fire station.
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Speaker 1: When he comes in visits Papa and Gammy, and he
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Speaker 1: thinks that he is in heaven, and it brings me
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Speaker 1: joy because I always felt the same way when I
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Speaker 1: was a little boy. And you know, they'll let him
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Speaker 1: stand on the rails on the side of the thing
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Speaker 1: and get inside the cab and look at all the hoses.
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Speaker 1: They'll show him how everything works. Oh my gosh. But
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Speaker 1: the only thing, Dave is there's no dalmation. And they
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Speaker 1: all begin yeah, I guess. So. Yeah, if you watch that,
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Speaker 1: Oh god, that that that movie. I'm glad you brought
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Speaker 1: that up. That movie really disturbed me. Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: who would do that? I'm such a dog lover. But yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I always been fascinated by by firefighters. I've had the
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Speaker 1: privilege in the honor of teaching firefighters relative to death
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Speaker 1: investigation because it's a unique skill set that you have
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Speaker 1: to acquire along the way being able to assess to
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Speaker 1: assess bodies that have been burned.
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Speaker 2: And so anyway, you said unique skill set, and all
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Speaker 2: I can think of is whenever I see one of
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Speaker 2: these now, yeah, from what you've told me, it really is.
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Speaker 2: I've always had a great feeling for those who serve
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Speaker 2: others where there's police fire rescue, but knowing how involved
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Speaker 2: they are in the process after the fact. There's so
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Speaker 2: much information that you get from a fire and what
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Speaker 2: happens to people. It just is really beyond It's a
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Speaker 2: whole lot more than just pouring water on the fire.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And here's another little insight into fire
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Speaker 1: service of folks. It's not just arsonal investigators that are
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Speaker 1: out there. I have learned just as much from the
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Speaker 1: most junior person that's on a truck when I'm inside
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Speaker 1: of a dwelling and working a case about points of origin,
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Speaker 1: or they're not really designating points of origin. They're saying
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Speaker 1: they'll say, hey, look here, there's a lot of damage.
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Speaker 1: And of course, for most of us, you know, when
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Speaker 1: you're in that environment, if you can kind of suss
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Speaker 1: out those particular areas where there is the most damage
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Speaker 1: at a location, that gives you an idea that that's
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Speaker 1: where the fire burned the hottest, and most of the time,
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Speaker 1: by deduction, you believe that that's where it's been burning longest.
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Speaker 1: Airgo that's where the fire may may have started. And
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Speaker 1: with what we're going to discuss now in today, Dave,
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Speaker 1: relative to this, I'll go and say it quadruple hom aside,
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Speaker 1: how many of these do we actually cover? Dave? This
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Speaker 1: is something that's been lingering since twenty eighteen. And just
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Speaker 1: let me just let's take a step back and just
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Speaker 1: think about this. First Off, this pot cast did not
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Speaker 1: exist when these events went down. Secondly, the if I'm
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Speaker 1: not mistaken, the current administration that we have in Washington
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Speaker 1: was not in power at the time. This is before
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Speaker 1: the COVID lockdowns. And I mean, just go on and on.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking now, we're six years down range from
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Speaker 1: a quadruple homicide that still has not gone to trial.
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Speaker 1: And of course we're talking about the Mansion murders what
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Speaker 1: has become the mansion murders in New Jersey day.
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Speaker 2: We're almost six years to the day that the events
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Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about happened in November twentieth
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Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen, six years ago Donald Trump was in office.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned the administrations and how things have changed, But
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Speaker 2: six years is a long time to go to trial.
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Speaker 2: And the reason is it's a complicated case and there
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Speaker 2: are a lot of different personalities running in here, family members,
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Speaker 2: what have you. We have Keith Canaro, his wife Jennifer,
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Speaker 2: their children, Jesse eleven at the time and Sophia eight
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Speaker 2: at the time. Those are the victims. It even gets
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Speaker 2: a little worse when you look at Keith Canaro was
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Speaker 2: actually shot in the head his multiple times. His wife
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Speaker 2: was shot and stabbed, the two children were stabbed and
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Speaker 2: full disclosure. I reached out to Joe in talking about
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Speaker 2: this and I said, what does that all mean? I mean,
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Speaker 2: does this mean there's a closeness When we've talked about killing,
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Speaker 2: you know, strangling and stabbing and things like that, those
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Speaker 2: seem to be so much more personal than shooting. Some
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Speaker 2: But the case didn't end right there with the quadruplehamicide
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Speaker 2: because on the same day, at the same time roughly
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Speaker 2: another fire took place at another house. But it was
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Speaker 2: Keith Kanaro's older brother, Paul, Yeah, his wife and two daughters.
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Speaker 2: Adult daughters were at home in bed when the fire
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Speaker 2: breaks out at their house early in the morning, and
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Speaker 2: Paul Canaro, in their eyes, is a hero. Paul saved
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Speaker 2: his family from the fire that was engulfing their home.
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Speaker 2: Didn't take Fire Department long to realize this is not
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Speaker 2: the same as what took place at the other Kannaro home.
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Speaker 2: Part one, Part two. There's a bunch of gas cans
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Speaker 2: of this house.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there were, Dave. And first off, I got
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Speaker 1: to tell all of our friends, I've got the best
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Speaker 1: producer in the business. You would not believe the detail
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Speaker 1: that my buddy Dave Mack went into and kind of
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Speaker 1: laying out the show. And it's incredible. And one of
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Speaker 1: the things that Dave that you actually pointed out, which
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Speaker 1: is very insightful in this case, is the fact that
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Speaker 1: when you look when you look at Paul's house where
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Speaker 1: the secondary fire was set, which by the way, is
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Speaker 1: ten miles away from the mansion, and it's no small
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Speaker 1: house either. I mean, it's a house that most people
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Speaker 1: would be proud to have. But you mentioned something very
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Speaker 1: specifically about the fires, because there were multiple fires, and
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Speaker 1: you zeroed in on the idea that these are kind
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Speaker 1: of peripheral. These fires are they're externalized, they're peripheral. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like what you have at the mansion on
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Speaker 1: any level. And I think that that and you know,
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Speaker 1: when when you begin to see this kind of complex,
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Speaker 1: and buddy, is it complex, this relationship that these two
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Speaker 1: brothers had with one another. It's gonna I'll put it
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Speaker 1: to you this way, as mildly as I can. It
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Speaker 1: will give investigators pause, you know, because they're they're gonna
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Speaker 1: be running down the list, running down the list of
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Speaker 1: you know who, who in the world, you know would
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Speaker 1: want to do this. And early on I think that
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Speaker 1: at Paul's home they determined pretty quickly that this is
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Speaker 1: a fire that was started with purpose by an individual.
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Speaker 1: This is not an act of God. Uh, this is
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Speaker 1: not a malfunction with an electrical outlet. Uh. This is
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Speaker 1: not somebody that had an oil an oil heater that's
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Speaker 1: a j into a bunch of old, dirty draw rags.
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Speaker 1: That's not what this is. And so the police are
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Speaker 1: looking for this thing very carefully, and they're going to
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Speaker 1: look at all the principles because Dave the fire back
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Speaker 1: of the mansion. Remember I was talking about how extensive
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Speaker 1: this thing is and how vast it is. You're calling
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Speaker 1: in all of these companies, fire companies to put this
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Speaker 1: thing out. They're gonna, you know, they'll say, my Lord
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Speaker 1: in Heaven, how intense was this thing and how did
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Speaker 1: it get so big that it would take all of
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Speaker 1: this power to put this fire out.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you pointed that out, Joe, because the difference
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Speaker 2: in the size of the homes actually explains the difference
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Speaker 2: of the brothers in the dynamic we have. Oh, Paul
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Speaker 2: Canaro is the older brother. Keith Canaro is the younger brother.
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Speaker 2: They're close in age, though they're like a year and
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Speaker 2: a half apart, kind of thing like my brother and
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Speaker 2: I regard, and that brings about a very different scenario
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Speaker 2: for both men. Keith is a very smart man in
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Speaker 2: intellectually guy, This is a man's man first of all,
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Speaker 2: loves his family, but he's very very smart. The same
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Speaker 2: cannot be said for the older brother, Paul. Not saying
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Speaker 2: he's a dullert or anything like that, but there was
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Speaker 2: some jealousy that was right there. Because the brothers together
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Speaker 2: owned a company called Ecostar Pest and Ecostar Pest Management.
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Speaker 2: This was a company they owned together. It's a kind
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Speaker 2: of job that you could put together based on studying,
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Speaker 2: you know, insects and basic things around your house that
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Speaker 2: you have to get rid of. That kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't require a mental giant to do this. It
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Speaker 2: does require some effort on the part of both men,
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Speaker 2: and they put the time in. It's the second business
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Speaker 2: that actually requires intelligence. It is education. It requires an
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Speaker 2: ongoing learning experience to stay on top. Talking about an
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Speaker 2: IT business called venture, it's an IT venture that is
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Speaker 2: called Square One. Now, Square one was started by Keith Canero.
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Speaker 2: I say started by Keith Canaro because it's very important
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Speaker 2: to this. Together they had Ecostar Pest Control Management. But
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Speaker 2: Keith started Square One by himself and hired his brother.
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Speaker 2: So the older brother now is an employee of the
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Speaker 2: younger brother. They are not partners. And from the looks
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Speaker 2: of everything that we're going to tell you about today,
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Speaker 2: that has everything to do with motive. And I have
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Speaker 2: to ask you this, Joe. You've been around so many
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Speaker 2: homicides and you know the legal aspects of what the
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Speaker 2: prosecutors are looking for and what the defense is looking for.
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Speaker 2: In your discussions with these guys, do they ever talk
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Speaker 2: about motive with you?
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Speaker 1: No, it's something you know. And our friend Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: always says, you don't have to prove motive, but in
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Speaker 1: order to many times understand the dynamics of everything that
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Speaker 1: are going on. You know at a scene that the
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Speaker 1: motive will float around in the air. All right, the
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Speaker 1: courts don't require you to prove motive. But when you're
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Speaker 1: trying to put together a case, and particularly one that
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Speaker 1: is so very complex, is this, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: on a little side, I'd like to just say this.
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Speaker 1: I was listening to a motion that was before the
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Speaker 1: court and one of Paul Canaro's attorneys, one of his
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Speaker 1: public defenders, was saying to the judge, judge, we we
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Speaker 1: have to have the prosecution tell us what their goal
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Speaker 1: is that they're going to prove. We we can't. We
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Speaker 1: don't have the ability to sort through what she uh,
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Speaker 1: she referred to as a term I've never heard before
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Speaker 1: as a dump truck approach. Where they've got she she
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Speaker 1: termed it as terabytes of data that are being dumped.
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Speaker 1: And the data is so vast because you're talking about,
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously the scenes. We've got bodies, right, we've
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Speaker 1: got methods of homicide here, we've got fires, multiple fires,
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Speaker 1: and multiple locations. And oh, by the way, we've got
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Speaker 1: complex finance considerations and just a little add on here
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Speaker 1: that just occurred a few days ago with this case,
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Speaker 1: is the validity of whether or not certain types of
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Speaker 1: DNA testing can be admissible. They've got a guy that's
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Speaker 1: that's offering pre trial testimony that's all the way in
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Speaker 1: from New Zealand, and so it gives you an idea
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Speaker 1: how complex this thing is. But yeah, I mean you
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Speaker 1: think about motive, and you know, motive is kind of
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Speaker 1: this this house, if you if you think about it
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Speaker 1: this way that is created, you know, with you know,
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Speaker 1: the why how do you purpose this death? And all
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Speaker 1: of the little you know, uh, peripheral items that come
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Speaker 1: along the forensics and the financials, and financials can be forensics. Uh,
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Speaker 1: even electronic data. They're kind of the murals that are
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Speaker 1: painted on the wall of this house. You know that
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Speaker 1: you're walking through and you're looking at it. So you
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Speaker 1: know the motive, though it does not have to be proved,
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Speaker 1: is sometimes that singular bit of data are information that
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Speaker 1: kind of frames everything out.
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Speaker 2: The shocking part of all this, Joe, is when you
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Speaker 2: have family members that do have a relationship and you
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Speaker 2: start talking about DNA and where it's collected. Isn't it
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Speaker 2: expected that people you have a relationship with that you
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Speaker 2: would have, especially if you're dealing with children where you
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Speaker 2: pick children up and you hold them and things like that.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't there be a reasonable expectation that your DNA could
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Speaker 2: end up on their clothing or on their toys or
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Speaker 2: anything else. I mean, wouldn't there be a reasonable expectation
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Speaker 2: that the DNA from the suspect here could be found
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Speaker 2: on or around the victims because they're related.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. But you know, people make so much
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Speaker 1: of that, and we have to go back to sourcing, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's an expectation. I don't know, if
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Speaker 1: you're holding you know, your niece or your nephew and
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Speaker 1: they sneeze on you, for instance, Okay, well, uh, you're
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Speaker 1: gonna have you know, obviously, uh, mucus and saliva and
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Speaker 1: everything that's mixed with that. Okay, But it's it's it's
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Speaker 1: it's intellectually dishonest, I think. Uh, for someone to say, well,
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Speaker 1: DNA is DNA, well you have to go back to
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Speaker 1: the sourcing. In this particular case, you're talking about commingling
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Speaker 1: of Keith and his wife's DNA. Oh and by the way,
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Speaker 1: the source is blood, all right, So even if you're related,
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Speaker 1: you know, and of course you know Keith is related
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Speaker 1: to his sister in law by marriage. You don't expect
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Speaker 1: to find his sister in law's blood on an item
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Speaker 1: of clothing commingled with your with his brother's blood. So
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Speaker 1: you have to be very exacting about this, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: because we're often you know, we're off in this land
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Speaker 1: now relative to DNA, where we're talking about touch DNA.
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Speaker 1: These partial bits that are out there, and yeah, you
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Speaker 1: can acquire those from anywhere. But if you're sourcing DNA
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Speaker 1: a DNA profile from a very rich source, which in
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Speaker 1: fact is blood, you know I probably the richest source
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Speaker 1: that you can obtain it from. It is dishonest, I
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Speaker 1: think intellectually to say that all this just is just
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Speaker 1: a passive deposition of this. No, that's not the case.
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Speaker 1: That's not the case. And I think but defense attorneys
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Speaker 1: do the defense attorney thing, and they're going to try
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Speaker 1: to raise reasonable doubt the case on this. David, I
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Speaker 1: know for a fact that you have been a business
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Speaker 1: person your entire adult life. This is something that runs
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Speaker 1: completely contrary to the course of my career that I
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Speaker 1: have had. You know, I if you're a government employee,
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Speaker 1: which I essentially have been my entire life, you know,
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Speaker 1: even starting you know, in the army at eighteen years old,
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Speaker 1: you know that you're going to have a steady paycheck
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Speaker 1: coming in. But when you're when you're a businessman, there's
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Speaker 1: fast and uh, there's famine.
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Speaker 2: Right, No, you're right, there's feast and famine. Generally, feast
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Speaker 2: and famine. The dice on your own paycheck, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, there's feast and famine, and so you take
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Speaker 1: the highs with the lows, right, and so there's not
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Speaker 1: always going to be a guarantee that you're going to be,
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Speaker 1: you know, kicking it in the Beverly hillbilly's mansion. You know,
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Speaker 1: every day of your life, you know, you have hard times.
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Speaker 1: What's the the old the old adage my granny used
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Speaker 1: to use. Uh, we're going to have poking grits tonight.
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Speaker 1: You poke your head under the table and grit your teeth.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you run, you run short, but you know
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Speaker 1: you have to prepare, you know, prepare for those times.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I'm hearing over and
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Speaker 1: over and over again with the mansion murder case or
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Speaker 1: cases again, is that there is a financial motivation you
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Speaker 1: know behind let'sious face it. Uh, these the slaughter that
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Speaker 1: has taken place at this home day.
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Speaker 2: And that's why I was asking you earlier about motive,
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Speaker 2: because I'm conditioned to as a as someone who follows
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Speaker 2: along with crime related news and things. I need to
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Speaker 2: know why something happened. Not that the court needs it,
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Speaker 2: I need it personally. I have to know what made
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Speaker 2: this person this was the best course of action for them.
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Speaker 2: And in this case, I actually, at first looking at it,
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Speaker 2: I went, this is way beyond and it still is,
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Speaker 2: by the way, way beyond what I would have thought,
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Speaker 2: because we do have a jealousy scenario playing out. It
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Speaker 2: happens with brothers a lot. These two men are in
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Speaker 2: business and there is a separation of money. As I
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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, Joe, the brothers are partners in the pest
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Speaker 2: control company. They are not equal partners in Square one
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Speaker 2: the tech company. The tech company is beyond what Paul
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Speaker 2: Canero could actually be involved in at the inception. But
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Speaker 2: Keith brought his brother along and paid him a quarter
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Speaker 2: of a million dollars a year to be a part
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Speaker 2: of this company.
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Speaker 1: Now not too shabby, by the way, No, not too shabby.
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Speaker 2: They do live in New Jersey, so it's a little
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Speaker 2: bit different than it is in you know where you
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Speaker 2: and I live.
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Speaker 1: But it's still on the income he's sharing. He's profit
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Speaker 1: sharing in the insect or the oh extermination business obviously,
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Speaker 1: so we're talking more money than simply what would come
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Speaker 1: from the IT business.
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Speaker 2: Right, yes, And there was something else going on in
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Speaker 2: their dynamic that Keith, well, Keith didn't feel like Paul
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Speaker 2: was pulling his own weight when it came to the
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Speaker 2: IT company. He felt like Paul was spending too much money.
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Speaker 2: And this is a divide because Keith came up with
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Speaker 2: the company. Keith was the brains behind the company. He
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Speaker 2: brought his brother in as a partner to help him out.
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Speaker 2: But his brother was not pulling his fair share of
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Speaker 2: the weight and his brother was spending money that Keith
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Speaker 2: didn't think he was entitled to spend from the companies.
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Speaker 2: So there was a real thing going. But when you
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Speaker 2: look at it even goes a step further. Keith and
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Speaker 2: his wife were putting there were I say, younger brother,
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Speaker 2: but he wasn't that much younger. I mean their ages
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Speaker 2: are a year and a half separated, Okay, but still
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Speaker 2: it means something in disregard Keith Canaro and his wife
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Speaker 2: Jennifer actually had accounts set up for their children's college
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Speaker 2: education and Keith Ivy League education. So he's putting the
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Speaker 2: money away so his children can experience the same type
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Speaker 2: of education he did. That is not small change.
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Speaker 1: Holy smokes, it's not.
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Speaker 2: And they had found out, they being Keith and Jennifer,
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Speaker 2: they found out that over the last several months, maybe years,
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Speaker 2: that Paul was actually siphoning money from his niece and nephew,
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Speaker 2: his brother's children. He was siphoning money from their college
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Speaker 2: accounts and putting it into his own college accounts for
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Speaker 2: his children. He has two adult daughters, Paul does. It
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Speaker 2: came to the tune of about ninety thousand dollars Joe,
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Speaker 2: ninety thousand dollars that Paul is accused of taking from
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Speaker 2: his brother's children. It's a lot of money, yeah, it is.
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Speaker 1: And here's another thing. You know, you were talking about motive.
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Speaker 1: I think, well, let's don't focus on motive. Let's focus
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Speaker 1: on within the family dynamic response. Any father that has
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Speaker 1: been squirreling away Nichols to fund the education of their
24:28
Speaker 1: child or children moving forward, because these kids are not
24:35
Speaker 1: necessarily you know, toddlers, but they're at that critical point
24:40
Speaker 1: where if you don't have a fund set up by
24:43
Speaker 1: this time, you're really behind the curve, particularly when you're
24:45
Speaker 1: talking about an Ivy league education. Yeah, there is just something. Yeah,
24:49
Speaker 1: and just the fact that he is working at this
24:53
Speaker 1: in order to put moneies towards his children's education. Can
25:00
Speaker 1: you imagine when he finds out and his wife finds out,
25:03
Speaker 1: the rage that would be involved in this, and the
25:08
Speaker 1: anger you know that comes about because this is not
25:11
Speaker 1: It's one thing if somebody comes after you, but but
25:15
Speaker 1: you're not just siphoning money away from you know, paying
25:20
Speaker 1: some you know, the registrar's office, you know for or
25:24
Speaker 1: you know for for tuition. You're actually you're ruining your
25:29
Speaker 1: potentially or this is the way apparently you're ruining their
25:32
Speaker 1: opportunity you know, in the future. I mean, that's the
25:35
Speaker 1: way I would look at it as a dad, and
25:36
Speaker 1: I'd have a I'd have a pretty uh, pretty robust
25:40
Speaker 1: response to him, like you've had tried to go in
25:43
Speaker 1: and pick my pocket. I don't care if they're my brother,
25:49
Speaker 1: sister or my granny, I don't care. There will be
25:52
Speaker 1: a robust response. And do you think, perhaps, Dave, that
25:57
Speaker 1: this is what had occurred at absolutely one percent.
26:02
Speaker 2: Because it was bad enough being talked about by Jennifer
26:06
Speaker 2: and Keith that Jennifer talked to her dad about it.
26:09
Speaker 2: It was beyond just we're not just discussing it as
26:13
Speaker 2: a couple now, it's now gone to I'm telling my
26:16
Speaker 2: daddy kind of thing. You know, Jennifer was telling her
26:18
Speaker 2: father and her father. And this is where you mentioned earlier.
26:22
Speaker 2: We've got a six year difference between when this happened
26:27
Speaker 2: and where we are now. And I want to throw
26:30
Speaker 2: something out there that there is a civil suit that
26:33
Speaker 2: is being filed along with us. Hadn't even gotten to
26:35
Speaker 2: the criminal trial yet of Paul Canaro, but there's a
26:40
Speaker 2: civil suit that has been filed by Jennifer's father, and
26:46
Speaker 2: it's about the money that was taken. And so Paul
26:50
Speaker 2: Canaro has been accused of the murders of his brother
26:52
Speaker 2: and his brother's family, and he's accused of arson. He's
26:58
Speaker 2: now accused of stealing money from his own niece and
27:02
Speaker 2: nephew's college fund. Paul Canaro is not in good shape
27:06
Speaker 2: right now, Joe. And this is what was happening in
27:09
Speaker 2: the world, Okay, at that time of twenty eighteen, in
27:14
Speaker 2: November on November twentieth, Paul Canaro was staring right down
27:18
Speaker 2: the highway and there are a number of lights heading
27:22
Speaker 2: towards him, and he decided to stage two fires, one
27:31
Speaker 2: to take out to cover up the murder of his
27:33
Speaker 2: brother and his brother's wife and children, and the other
27:37
Speaker 2: to make it look like he also was a victim,
27:39
Speaker 2: like somebody was coming after both of the Canaro brothers
27:41
Speaker 2: and their families.
27:42
Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, and I've heard people allude to various things.
27:50
Speaker 1: There's been chatter, you know, in social media. Lord, there's
27:56
Speaker 1: never chatter, and soia is there and it's all true.
27:58
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's all true. You you know, of course,
28:04
Speaker 1: one of the things that always raises its head, it
28:06
Speaker 1: raises its head is the specter of organized crime. You know,
28:10
Speaker 1: that has been hinted at over a period of time,
28:14
Speaker 1: other individuals within the circle that had felt slided in
28:19
Speaker 1: business deals, all these sorts of things, you know, and
28:21
Speaker 1: that that swirl around this case, you know, goes to,
28:26
Speaker 1: you know, whatever defense is being offered up on behalf
28:32
Speaker 1: of the accused, where you can generate enough reasonable doubt
28:38
Speaker 1: to put that into the minds of potential jurors, and
28:43
Speaker 1: you know, you this case, which by the way, again
28:47
Speaker 1: has still yet to come to trial, which we believe.
28:52
Speaker 1: Now there will be a date set and we will
28:56
Speaker 1: see this thing come to fruition unless it gets delayed again.
29:00
Speaker 1: And you think about this, Dave, we're talking six years.
29:06
Speaker 1: How many people you know, these these two cases, this,
29:11
Speaker 1: these two fires happened only ten miles apart. Do you
29:14
Speaker 1: think the people that are going to occupy the jury
29:18
Speaker 1: space up there have heard about these cases? It's six years,
29:22
Speaker 1: you know. We talk about a lot of cases where
29:26
Speaker 1: you know, uh, the defense will say, well, the jury
29:29
Speaker 1: pool is going to be tainted because it's been inflamed
29:32
Speaker 1: by uh, you know, media coverage and all that. Dude,
29:37
Speaker 1: this is like media coverage. Now add on to this
29:42
Speaker 1: this idea of time and how much more impactful that's
29:47
Speaker 1: going to be to the pool that will be brought
29:50
Speaker 1: in and some of this, some of this data that
29:54
Speaker 1: they're going to be presenting in this trial, particularly the
29:56
Speaker 1: forensic data, is going to be very very complain x.
30:00
Speaker 1: The financials are going to be very complex, or they
30:03
Speaker 1: will be made at least to appear very complex, which
30:07
Speaker 1: to me, I mean if you sit me down in
30:08
Speaker 1: a lab and you start talking to me about toxicology
30:11
Speaker 1: and DNA. Though I'm not an expert in DNA, I
30:16
Speaker 1: understand it and I can communicate it. You start talking
30:20
Speaker 1: to me about financials and I, first off, I'll go
30:23
Speaker 1: to sleep, And secondly, I don't. I don't. I don't
30:26
Speaker 1: understand it most of the time, and understand the movement
30:31
Speaker 1: of moneies. Uh though you know in that way, So
30:33
Speaker 1: you're talking about bringing in a whole other group of
30:36
Speaker 1: experts that are going to have to you know, there
30:38
Speaker 1: will be a pantheon of these people that will that
30:40
Speaker 1: will come across the stage in the courtroom. And that's
30:44
Speaker 1: that's very important to remember. You know. It's just like
30:47
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, there's actually a gentleman from New Zealand
30:51
Speaker 1: that's offering, you know, pre trial testimony right now in
30:55
Speaker 1: these motions relative to admissibility of this rather complexity, Well,
31:00
Speaker 1: how much more do they have that they're going to
31:02
Speaker 1: be talking about. Well, we're going to have ballistic information
31:06
Speaker 1: that's going to be coming out because you know, two
31:08
Speaker 1: of the victims in this case, one has shot multiple times,
31:14
Speaker 1: another has shot a single time. And oh, by the bye,
31:17
Speaker 1: we've also got stab wounds that are involved in this case.
31:21
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, we're going to have to
31:24
Speaker 1: have opinions rendered about the complexity of fire and how
31:29
Speaker 1: fires initiate and how they're maintained. And oh, by the way,
31:33
Speaker 1: were they alive or were they dead when the fires
31:36
Speaker 1: were started? You know, all of those dynamics are going
31:40
Speaker 1: to come into play here, Dave. And this is not
31:42
Speaker 1: I don't think that this this trial just from an
31:46
Speaker 1: evidentiary standpoint, just from the forensic stuff, this is not
31:49
Speaker 1: something that is going to be over and done with
31:53
Speaker 1: really really quickly. This is going to be something that
31:56
Speaker 1: will take quite a while to kind of make it
31:59
Speaker 1: through everything that happened that night in New Jersey. Hey, Dave, look,
32:20
Speaker 1: let's just back up a little bit. Can you, in
32:25
Speaker 1: your the way you do things, can you take us
32:27
Speaker 1: back to that night in November twentieth, twenty eighteen, when
32:34
Speaker 1: you know, this whole thing just kind of it develops
32:38
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, because you know, you've got kind of
32:41
Speaker 1: a wonky timeline here, and it's very it's very confusing
32:47
Speaker 1: I think for many folks.
32:48
Speaker 2: Well Joe is it was very confusing to me, and
32:52
Speaker 2: I was making notes on the timeline because what we
32:56
Speaker 2: have ismber twentieth is the day, twenty eighteen, and at
33:06
Speaker 2: twelve thirty in the afternoon, Keith Canaro, his wife Jennifer,
33:14
Speaker 2: and daughters and son and daughter, Jesse and Sophia. They
33:18
Speaker 2: live in the mansion. That's why it's called the New
33:20
Speaker 2: Jersey Mansion murders. A next door neighbor around twelve thirty
33:25
Speaker 2: sees smoke coming from the Canaro mansion. At first, it
33:32
Speaker 2: was noticed earlier, but they thought maybe they we had
33:35
Speaker 2: just lit a fire we are talking about New Jersey
33:37
Speaker 2: in late November, and thought it was that. But as
33:39
Speaker 2: the fire continued to get bigger, that's when they looked, hey,
33:44
Speaker 2: there's more smoke than should be and they call police.
33:46
Speaker 2: That's at twelve thirty in the day, ten minutes away,
33:50
Speaker 2: ten miles away. At five thirty that morning, Paul Canaro's
33:57
Speaker 2: home has a fire going on and police are called.
34:02
Speaker 2: Police and fire are called to his house. The reason
34:06
Speaker 2: I'm telling it to you that way is because that's
34:08
Speaker 2: how it was reported you had the mansion murder that
34:15
Speaker 2: they get. The coverage begins at you know, eleven thirty,
34:18
Speaker 2: twelve thirty that day, but actually everything started much earlier.
34:21
Speaker 2: And this was my question to you, Joseph Scott Morgan.
34:25
Speaker 2: We have Paul Knaro, the older brother of Keith. His house,
34:31
Speaker 2: Paul's house is on fire at five point thirty in
34:34
Speaker 2: the morning. He gets his wife and kids out of
34:39
Speaker 2: the house, kids, his adult daughters. He gets his family
34:42
Speaker 2: out of the house. To them, he's a hero. I
34:45
Speaker 2: mean he heroically got them out before sun up, saved
34:48
Speaker 2: their lives. The fire company came in extinguished the blaze.
34:52
Speaker 2: There were two specific places of fire at this house, Joe,
34:57
Speaker 2: and one was near the garage on the outside perimeter.
35:02
Speaker 2: The other was in the opposite direction but in the perimeter.
35:08
Speaker 2: Neither one of these fires was particularly large. Neither one
35:12
Speaker 2: of the fires caused a lot of damage. They did
35:16
Speaker 2: flame and smoke, but there wasn't a lot of damage
35:19
Speaker 2: done to the home. And as I mentioned, Paul, his
35:23
Speaker 2: wife and two adult daughters got out of the house.
35:27
Speaker 2: As the firemen are walking around the house and looking around,
35:31
Speaker 2: they notice a bunch of gas cans at this home, Joe,
35:36
Speaker 2: and that immediately makes them curious. As they're investigating this
35:44
Speaker 2: fire at the home of Paul Canaro ten miles away,
35:49
Speaker 2: the mansion fire is reported six hours later, and it's
35:56
Speaker 2: a much different fire, Joe. Whereas the fire at Paul
36:00
Speaker 2: Canaro's home was put down and put out pretty quickly,
36:05
Speaker 2: wasn't even completely damaged. The fire ten miles away at
36:09
Speaker 2: his brother's house, Keith Canaro, this fire has engulfed the
36:14
Speaker 2: mansion and it is so bad. It's not something that
36:18
Speaker 2: they can put out by one group. As a matter
36:20
Speaker 2: of fact, it took twenty different departments involved, twenty different
36:25
Speaker 2: fire plate that have had to be involved in putting
36:28
Speaker 2: out this fire.
36:29
Speaker 1: Joe.
36:30
Speaker 2: Granted, it is a mansion, it is a big home,
36:33
Speaker 2: but the fire was so intense and burned for so long.
36:37
Speaker 2: It took hours of these guys working. And by the way,
36:42
Speaker 2: they found Keith Canaro out in the front yard murdered.
36:46
Speaker 2: He was dead from a gunshot. Went well, multiple gunshot
36:49
Speaker 2: wounds to the head. They don't know.
36:52
Speaker 1: He's got one round in the back too, So he.
36:55
Speaker 2: Got four to the head and one to the back
36:57
Speaker 2: right or something along those lines. He got multiple gunshots
37:00
Speaker 2: and he's out in the front yard. Keith Canaro is
37:04
Speaker 2: They don't know. They being the fire department, they don't
37:07
Speaker 2: know where his wife and two children are because Joe,
37:11
Speaker 2: it's too messed up inside the house for them to
37:13
Speaker 2: go in and find out the home was not safe.
37:18
Speaker 2: For six or eight hours after they got the fire
37:21
Speaker 2: not just under control, but got to knock down. They
37:23
Speaker 2: were afraid the roofline was going to fall the floors.
37:26
Speaker 2: It was that bad of a fire. They could not
37:29
Speaker 2: even get in to find out what happened.
37:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this I was taking. Took a look at
37:37
Speaker 1: quite a number of the photos from from the mansion.
37:41
Speaker 1: And you know, when I, you know, most of us,
37:44
Speaker 1: I think that when we think about New Jersey, we
37:48
Speaker 1: think about we think about an area that's very, very congested,
37:55
Speaker 1: and that you've got people living on top of one another.
37:58
Speaker 1: And I appeared on a podcast two years ago, I
38:03
Speaker 1: think with my friend Julian Dory. If you get a chance,
38:08
Speaker 1: check out his podcast, and I talked about my career
38:11
Speaker 1: on there, and he was actually and Julian is still
38:15
Speaker 1: in in Jersey, but his he had picked me up
38:19
Speaker 1: from the airport I think in Philly, and we went
38:22
Speaker 1: to his home in South Jersey and he said that
38:28
Speaker 1: people refer to it as the Alabama of New Jersey,
38:31
Speaker 1: that area where he lived. And you know, me, I'd
38:34
Speaker 1: never really spent that much time flowing in and out
38:36
Speaker 1: of airports, flown into Newark, flown into Trenton before, and
38:42
Speaker 1: my gosh, when he was taking me through the countryside,
38:45
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this, I understand why you say this.
38:47
Speaker 1: You know, there's like agricultural feels, and it's it's beautiful.
38:52
Speaker 1: You know, it's not what I mean. They call it
38:54
Speaker 1: the garden State for a reason, and.
38:57
Speaker 2: Thought that was kind of like a marketing thing, you know, No.
39:03
Speaker 1: Jerseys, Jersey's quite quite beautiful. I mean it really is.
39:07
Speaker 1: And you know, he when I saw these images, Dave,
39:11
Speaker 1: I don't know if people have had time to take
39:14
Speaker 1: a look to see what this looks like. Why any
39:17
Speaker 1: no one noticed? Really this this mansion as they're calling it,
39:22
Speaker 1: and it is big, I mean, it's massive. It's isolated.
39:27
Speaker 1: I can you can see one house kind of off
39:30
Speaker 1: in the periphery. The house itself, the structure itself is
39:33
Speaker 1: so vast it literally has wings to it, you know,
39:37
Speaker 1: and they're kind of it's kind of horseshoe shaped in
39:39
Speaker 1: a way. So you've got multiple levels to this thing.
39:45
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a basement and then there's multiple floors in
39:49
Speaker 1: this thing, and then it's out on its own big
39:52
Speaker 1: plot of land. And here's the thing that kind of
39:56
Speaker 1: struck me about this is that if this had been
39:59
Speaker 1: in a really congested area, you would think that with
40:05
Speaker 1: the report of multiple gunshots being fired.
40:09
Speaker 2: Outside that house early in the morning.
40:12
Speaker 1: Someone would have heard it. But it didn't raise an
40:16
Speaker 1: alarm necessarily. You know, this time of year, I don't know,
40:20
Speaker 1: I think that you can deer hunt in you know,
40:23
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, you can hunt for you know, other game.
40:28
Speaker 1: Perhaps we're in November when this is going on. Maybe
40:32
Speaker 1: it didn't draw the attention of anyone. It's not like,
40:37
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a you know, some kind of
40:39
Speaker 1: brownstone walk up, you know that you might see in
40:42
Speaker 1: you know, closer to the city, closer to New York,
40:45
Speaker 1: you know, like over in Hackensack or something like that,
40:48
Speaker 1: where if you fire a gun, you know, multiple times
40:51
Speaker 1: like that, somebody is going to take note of it.
40:54
Speaker 1: But the fact that this man is found executed and
40:58
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and use that term, he'spparently executed on
41:01
Speaker 1: his front lawn, will draw the attention. Here here's another
41:04
Speaker 1: thing too, Dave, because you know, I've had cases in
41:08
Speaker 1: the past where I've had an individual that has killed
41:13
Speaker 1: their family set the house on fire and then gone
41:17
Speaker 1: out onto the lawn and taken their own life. Okay,
41:22
Speaker 1: and that does happen, and so I would imagine that firefighters.
41:27
Speaker 1: First off, if you happen to see a dead body
41:31
Speaker 1: at the scene and it's laying out in the yard,
41:35
Speaker 1: the first goal of a fire company is to get
41:41
Speaker 1: the fire put out. And I'm not saying they're going to,
41:45
Speaker 1: you know, disrespect the dead, but they're you know, somebody,
41:51
Speaker 1: a paramedic might roll up and check and see if
41:54
Speaker 1: this individual has a pulse. If they're dead, they're not
41:58
Speaker 1: going to start processing the scene while you got this
42:00
Speaker 1: raging inferno that's going on. And that's very important to understand.
42:04
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, when they approached this
42:08
Speaker 1: gentleman's body, they knew from the beginning that this was
42:14
Speaker 1: in fact not a self inflicted gunshot wound because there
42:20
Speaker 1: wasn't just one gunshot wound. There were multiple gunshot wounds
42:26
Speaker 1: in atypical regions and no weapon to be found. This
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Speaker 1: is episode one. Please join us for episode two. I'm
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body by