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Coming of Age in the New Wave Rock Mid '80s: A Woman's Journey [Episode 233] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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Speaker 1: is this episode's guest. She recently released the second edition
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Speaker 1: of her novel Once in a Lifetime, a coming of
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Speaker 1: age story set in the mid nineteen eighties against the
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Speaker 1: backdrop of vibrant music and art. The main character an
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Speaker 1: ambitious New Wave influenced art student from Long Island who's
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Speaker 1: dying to kickstarter career and her love life for that matter.
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Speaker 1: She's saving to get over to London, where the excitement
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Speaker 1: of the post punk era is coming to a head.
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Speaker 1: To save for the trip, artsy Jessica and her avant
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Speaker 1: garde roommates take jobs at a progressive restaurant town on
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Speaker 1: the Delaware River, where they deal with waitressing, chaos, mystics,
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Speaker 1: punk clubs, drag queens, mosh pits, and other assorted tribulations
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Speaker 1: in an effort for jess to find out what real
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Speaker 1: life beyond the college classroom is like. Then she meets
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Speaker 1: a daredevil New wave guitarist who spins her head like
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Speaker 1: a record, potentially distracting her from her goals. In addition
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Speaker 1: to an awesome backing soundtrack, the book leverages feminist themes
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Speaker 1: since the women of the eighties were the first generation
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Speaker 1: to be told they could have it all. Loved education, friendships,
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Speaker 1: meaning sex, careers, happiness, you name it. Except maybe the
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Speaker 1: world wasn't completely ready for those women to have it all,
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Speaker 1: which was a tough wall to push down, and this
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Speaker 1: still resonates today. Suzanne is on the show to talk
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Speaker 1: about the book, what inspired the storyline, the characters in
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Speaker 1: the book, her experiences, a woman of the eighties, and more. Suzanne,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's great to be here.
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Speaker 1: So here we have a coming of age story set
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Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen eighties. The main character is Jessica,
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Speaker 1: an ambitious New Wave influenced art student from Long Island,
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Speaker 1: she's dying to kickstarter career. She's saving to get overseas
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Speaker 1: to London. To save for the trip, her in her
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Speaker 1: roommates take jobs in a progressive restaurant town on the
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Speaker 1: Delaware River where they deal with a lot of different
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Speaker 1: things waitress and chaos, mystics, punk clubs, drag queens, mosh pits,
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Speaker 1: and other assorted tribulations in an effort for her to
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Speaker 1: find out what real life beyond the college classroom is like.
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Speaker 1: So tell us about this character, Jessica.
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Speaker 2: She kind of sees a world out there happening as
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Speaker 2: far as this exciting new scene that's going on. She
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Speaker 2: wants to be a part of it. It's influencing design
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Speaker 2: and art and what everyone's listening to, what they're wearing.
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Speaker 2: It has an effect on so many things around her,
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Speaker 2: and she kind of feels like it's all going on
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Speaker 2: without her, and she wants have to come to a
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Speaker 2: stop so she can kickstart her career, you know, become
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Speaker 2: a multimedia artist and find fame and fortune and be
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Speaker 2: part of this scene that she feels kind of just
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Speaker 2: beyond her reach. So she wants to go overseas to
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Speaker 2: London where all the new wave you know, the real
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Speaker 2: cool post punk stuff is going on. So she wants
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Speaker 2: to go to an art program there that's a little
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Speaker 2: too expensive for her, so in order to do that,
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Speaker 2: her friend set her up with a waitressing job and
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Speaker 2: a cool kind of progressive town on the Delaware River.
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Speaker 2: And in the midst of trying to scrape up that
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Speaker 2: money through you know, waitressing jobs, they meet a lot
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Speaker 2: of you know, interesting people and go do some you know,
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Speaker 2: punk club trolling, and she gets into kind of the
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Speaker 2: middle of a new relationship that she has to kind
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Speaker 2: of balance against a relationship that she had put on
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Speaker 2: the back burner for a while so that she could
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Speaker 2: pursue some of these new you know, career goals and such.
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Speaker 1: So in the original came out in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything different in this book than.
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Speaker 2: The first one, Well, there is the forward by Annie Zeleski,
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Speaker 2: who is a terrific journalist. I'm so excited that she
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Speaker 2: got involved in this product, this whole process. So she
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Speaker 2: has worked with Rolling Stone and she's written essays for
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Speaker 2: intros at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and
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Speaker 2: she was able to do a forward and you know,
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Speaker 2: said some interesting things about both the book and the
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Speaker 2: time period and the music.
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Speaker 1: Scene beautifully written, beautifully written.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's terrific. Like I said, really happy to get
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Speaker 2: her involved. In addition, I have a collection of short
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Speaker 2: stories that's coming out. In one of those stories is
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Speaker 2: included as a bonus, and in addition to that, there's
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Speaker 2: an author Q and a.
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Speaker 1: So Okay, what inspired what inspired you to write the book? Initially?
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Speaker 2: Well, the book sort of started with some experiences that
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Speaker 2: I wanted to relay that had happened to me when
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Speaker 2: I was a young person. I wanted to kind of
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Speaker 2: bottle this exciting timeframe where this scene was kind of
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Speaker 2: busting out and young people were really taking ownership of
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Speaker 2: it because we knew that something really different was happening
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Speaker 2: and that we were driving it, and that was powerful.
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Speaker 2: That was very empowering at the time. But as sometimes
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Speaker 2: happens with fiction, you start with certain situations and characters
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Speaker 2: and people and characteristics that you know and then they
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Speaker 2: run off and do their own thing in the book
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Speaker 2: and create arcs and become fictional and do things that
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Speaker 2: you never expected them to do. And that's that's a
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Speaker 2: good scenario. When you get them, the characters to kind
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Speaker 2: of build their own life.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, And speaking of that, Annie Zeleski wrote the
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Speaker 1: forward as you say, and she highlights a quote from
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Speaker 1: the book that's really stood out to her, and it
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Speaker 1: stood out to me as well. It's quote, I want
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Speaker 1: it all. Isn't that what they told us we could
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Speaker 1: have were the women of the eighties. We can have
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Speaker 1: it all. No one mentioned what would happen if we
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Speaker 1: got it Can you expand on that quote how it
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Speaker 1: relates to the main character in the book and her
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Speaker 1: journey through this story.
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Speaker 2: Sure? Absolutely. This is actually a big thing in the
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Speaker 2: book because young women of this time frame realized that,
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Speaker 2: you know, their mothers really maybe didn't have the option
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Speaker 2: to go to college. It was frowned upon, or you know,
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Speaker 2: they were had less choices. But here we are now,
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Speaker 2: and we can go to college, we can have education,
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Speaker 2: we can have careers, we can have friendships, we can
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Speaker 2: have relationships and sex and adventures and do whatever we want.
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Speaker 2: We can have it all. That was kind of a
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Speaker 2: big thing in the eighties. They said, well, you can
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Speaker 2: have it all, But I don't know if anybody can
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Speaker 2: really have it all. So this is a moment in
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Speaker 2: a young woman's life where she had to realize what
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Speaker 2: kind of choices and sacrifices she would have to make
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Speaker 2: in order to get all the things that she wants,
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Speaker 2: and maybe even with all that, butt up against things
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Speaker 2: that were obstacles and realize that maybe no one can
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Speaker 2: have it all at least not all at once. You
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Speaker 2: have to maybe earn a little bit of this now,
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Speaker 2: get a little bit of something else later, and just
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Speaker 2: continue with your life and realize the reality of your circumstances,
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Speaker 2: which you know women are still budding up against today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right. And he also points out how the
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Speaker 1: music of the eighties provided emotional, solid and unstoppable dance grooves,
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Speaker 1: but also served as a blueprint on how to march
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Speaker 1: to the beat of a different trummer and stay focused
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Speaker 1: on a future you define on your own terms. At
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Speaker 1: the end of the book, you think a lot of
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Speaker 1: specific musicians and artists most if not all I love,
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Speaker 1: or it was the music and the artists of the
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Speaker 1: eighties to you in terms of the book storyline. Was
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Speaker 1: there specific reasons behind what you chose for song titles?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, absolutely well. A lot of the framing of
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Speaker 2: the book with those song titles was due to the
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Speaker 2: fact that these young women were so devoted to the scene.
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Speaker 2: They really they communicated in song lyrics, They talked to
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Speaker 2: each other in song lyrics. They kind of felt like
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Speaker 2: this was their own language that really no one else
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Speaker 2: was privy to but them u And that was a
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Speaker 2: challenge for me to weave into the book without You
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Speaker 2: really can't quote song lyrics or you know, any of
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Speaker 2: anybody else's writing. You can quote titles, That's why the
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Speaker 2: titles are used in that way. But what you find
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Speaker 2: as a writer then is that you can't. You know,
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Speaker 2: it would be so much easier to cheat and use
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Speaker 2: somebody else's brilliant lyrics, but if you can, you have
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Speaker 2: to evoke that same feeling yourself with your own language.
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Speaker 2: So there are a lot of little easter eggs in
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Speaker 2: there that so it sort of point to lyrics or
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Speaker 2: you know, use them in a kind of an offhand
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Speaker 2: and incorrect way. But if you know that song, you
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Speaker 2: know what they're talking about. But that's kind of tipping
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Speaker 2: a hat to the fact that this defined, you know,
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Speaker 2: the music defined how these girls lived and who who
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Speaker 2: they hung around with, and what clubs they went to
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Speaker 2: and what shoes they wore, you know, what boots they
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Speaker 2: wore and what clothes you know they dressed up in,
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Speaker 2: And it just had so much influence over what everybody did.
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Speaker 2: It's how you identified each other.
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Speaker 1: Book on Rock Podcast. We'll be back after this.
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Speaker 2: I think I need a break, a little break, okay.
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Speaker 1: Each chapter contains stories that provide the monthly year location,
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Speaker 1: while also including the title of a song that fits
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Speaker 1: in with what you're about to read. And chapter three
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Speaker 1: is almost June nineteen eighty four. The Sandler Apartments. Girls
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Speaker 1: just want to have fun. This is when she's moving
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Speaker 1: into the departments. Cardboard boxes everywhere, and but the objective
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Speaker 1: is really, let's check out the new club down the street,
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Speaker 1: you know, New Hopes nightlife. What's it all about? So
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Speaker 1: the eighties decade of excess having fun. Yeah, But Jess
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Speaker 1: and her friends are aware of the dangers out there.
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Speaker 1: They're they're cautious about the guys they meet, They're protective
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Speaker 1: of each other. There's a strength to these girls. They're smart.
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Speaker 1: So it reminded me of girls just want to have fun.
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Speaker 1: Cyndi Lauper, how she wanted to have fun. But she
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Speaker 1: was tough. You would mess with her, you know, like
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Speaker 1: WWF she stood up to Captain Dewelbano and Roddy Piper.
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Speaker 1: So I wondered if there was some kind of correlation there,
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Speaker 1: if that was a specific choice.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was in a lot of on a lot
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Speaker 2: of a lot of levels. These girls are strong. I'm
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Speaker 2: glad that that comes through. I had, you know, we
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Speaker 2: had had a discussion where in trying to publish the book,
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Speaker 2: I had gotten feedback almost that the girls were too
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Speaker 2: strong from the get go, that there wasn't enough of
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Speaker 2: an all, which upset me because I you know, my
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Speaker 2: my question was, well, do you want strong women in
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Speaker 2: your books or you want wimpy girls who then maybe
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Speaker 2: find some strength in the end, because I didn't like
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Speaker 2: that idea, And.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you told me that too before we recording. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's a challenge that I think every author has to
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Speaker 1: face when the publishers make decisions that they're just they're
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Speaker 1: not falling in line with what your vision is for the.
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Speaker 2: Story, right right, And I thought that was a kind
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Speaker 2: of sad way to present, you know, literature to people.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I stuck with my guns. But in fact,
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Speaker 2: there's these girls are described as intimidating even in different
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Speaker 2: in different parts of the book. They do have a
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Speaker 2: certain strength, and they are very supportive and protective of
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Speaker 2: each other. They are not perfect. They butt heads. They
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Speaker 2: you know, they are loyalty to each other as questions
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Speaker 2: at moments, but they are called upon to rescue each
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Speaker 2: other at points and they do that. And as far
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Speaker 2: as girls just want to have fun, it's also the
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Speaker 2: fact that we had a lot of fun as young
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Speaker 2: people supporting each other and even just you know, it
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Speaker 2: was just as much fun to go through her closets
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Speaker 2: and decide what we wanted to wear and you know,
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Speaker 2: and get ready for the party as it was to
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Speaker 2: actually go to the party. You know, sometimes we had
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Speaker 2: just as much fun being together and dancing around the room,
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Speaker 2: you know, trying on each other's clothes and you know, searching.
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Speaker 1: All those eighties.
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Speaker 2: Love it, and yeah, rearranging you know, each other's outfits
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Speaker 2: and such.
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Speaker 1: So you know it, Well, I just saw a clip
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Speaker 1: of Cindy Lauper just recently at one of her concerts,
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Speaker 1: singing good girls just want to have fun. And she
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Speaker 1: still dresses outrageously, he said, the polka dot dress and
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Speaker 1: author Susanne Matteboni is this episode's guest. She was the
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Speaker 1: second edition of her novel Once in a Lifetime. So
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Speaker 1: just as two men in her life mentioned this earlier.
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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend from high school, Drew. He's an astrophysics major
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Speaker 1: and led Zeppelin fan. Who is more Indy Coffin then
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Speaker 1: Andy Taylor more, this is great. More davidly Roth than
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Speaker 1: David Bowie. That's great. Then there is is it Wit?
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's his name, right, Wit, the guitarist in a
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Speaker 1: new wave band, And there are some serious fireworks when
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Speaker 1: Jess meets with talk about their relationship and that storyline
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Speaker 1: in the book.
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Speaker 2: Uh well, she is quite impressed with the fact that
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Speaker 2: he is so into the music scene that his band
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Speaker 2: is actually going somewhere because they had opened up for,
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Speaker 2: you know, a larger band. That she actually went to
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Speaker 2: see a band called Killing Joke, which is kind of
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Speaker 2: what we called hardcore at the time.
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Speaker 1: Uh so she's a real band. Yeah, hell yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because Healing Killing Joke. I think Nirvana has come as
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Speaker 1: you are come. That riff comes from a Killing Joke song,
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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: Really yeah, they were kind of harsh but fun, but
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Speaker 2: some danceable stuff. Uh and in in case, so his
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Speaker 2: fictition band, let's say opens up for them at a
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Speaker 2: club in Philly, and she meets him before realizing that
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Speaker 2: and is, you know, really kind of shocked out of
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Speaker 2: her little boots. So so that's fun, And like I said,
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Speaker 2: she kind of she relates to him on a very
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Speaker 2: creative level and relates to the fact that he's been
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Speaker 2: able to enter this world that she's been envious of.
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Speaker 2: She's he's a little older than her and obviously, you know,
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Speaker 2: a little further along in his own creative career. So
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Speaker 2: she she envies that she wants to be near that.
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Speaker 2: She has a lot of fun with him. He's he
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Speaker 2: just kind of never stops, you know, moving and talking
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Speaker 2: and expounding on, you know, what makes him creative and
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Speaker 2: where his inspiration comes from. So they commiserate a lot
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Speaker 2: on that. But I think she also finds he's a
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Speaker 2: little reckless. He's the little you know, maybe pols he
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Speaker 2: places where she's not quite as comfortable as she usually is.
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Speaker 2: So one thing about her as an artist, she's a
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Speaker 2: glass mosaic, glass artist. So really she takes things, smashes
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Speaker 2: them up into pieces, and puts them back together again
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Speaker 2: in the way that she wants them to be. And
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Speaker 2: she acknowledges that this is what she does with things.
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Speaker 2: She takes things as they exist and kind of puts
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Speaker 2: them through the strainer of her brain and they come
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Speaker 2: out different. And as she goes through this relationship with Wit,
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Speaker 2: she starts to realize that she's sort of doing the
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Speaker 2: same thing with guys, where she has these two relationships
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Speaker 2: and she's comparing them and she wishes that she could
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Speaker 2: pare down each of them and sort of meld them
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Speaker 2: together and make the perfect relationship. And that's really not fair.
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Speaker 2: And I think in the end, you know, the characters
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Speaker 2: in the book and the book are flawed. They are
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Speaker 2: not perfect people, and that's a little more realistic I
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Speaker 2: think then some of the things that are out there
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Speaker 2: on paper right now. But I think she has to
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Speaker 2: face up to her own flaws too, and the things
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Speaker 2: that well, just she's finding will disappoint her in life,
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Speaker 2: and it's.
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Speaker 1: Not finding out about herself. She's still young, Yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: what nineteen years old, maybe nineteen.
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Speaker 2: Twenty, Yeah, she's twenty. She just turns she turns twenty
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Speaker 2: actually in at the beginning of the book. So so
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Speaker 2: you know, she finds that some of the things that
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Speaker 2: she's disappointed with are not necessarily people. It's that she's
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Speaker 2: just disappointed in the fact that she can't have that
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Speaker 2: level of control and influence over the world. She has
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Speaker 2: to accept some things and step back.
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Speaker 1: How did Jess's friends feel about wit.
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Speaker 2: I think they were all pretty taken by him also,
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Speaker 2: you know, because they all wanted to be part of
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Speaker 2: that world. And I think by the end, as they
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Speaker 2: sort her, they started to acknowledge that recklessness. Also, things
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Speaker 2: got a little scary, you know. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: go too into too much detail because if anybody does
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Speaker 2: want to read it, spoil anything. But they do end
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Speaker 2: up toward the end of the book going to a
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Speaker 2: pretender's concert, which, you know, asking someone to a pretender's
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Speaker 2: concert might as well be like a you know, a
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Speaker 2: new Way marriage proposal. So this is a real serious thing,
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Speaker 2: but it does turn into somewhat of a dangerous event
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Speaker 2: and things kind of spiral.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and we mentioned this earlier. For Jess and
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Speaker 1: and women of that time in the eighties, they may
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Speaker 1: not have older people that they could could turn to
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Speaker 1: for life advice. How does she process all of this
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Speaker 1: and try to navigate through these challenges? She can't call
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Speaker 1: mom and say, what did you do in your kid?
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Speaker 1: Because they grew up during a different time, right.
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Speaker 2: It's true, And this particular character Jessica does not have
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Speaker 2: She lives with her grandparents, so she lost her mother
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Speaker 2: and she's out of touch with her father, so she
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Speaker 2: didn't have that even if she really wanted it. And
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Speaker 2: back at the time period, yeah, we weren't so connected
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Speaker 2: to and I don't mean, you know, emotionally. I mean
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Speaker 2: I was very close to my parents, but I did
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Speaker 2: not talk to them. I don't even get texts on
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Speaker 2: a regular basis. You know, we didn't have that level
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Speaker 2: of communication. The infrastructure for that just didn't exist. So
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Speaker 2: our friends sort of were our family. And I think
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Speaker 2: that's what you're seeing in this book. It's not just
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Speaker 2: about the guys. It's about female friendships and them supporting
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Speaker 2: each other no matter what. And they're flawed also, and
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Speaker 2: they butt heads and they you know, get into trouble
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Speaker 2: and you know, question each other's loyalty at moments, but
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Speaker 2: in the end, they come to each other's rescue big time.
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Speaker 2: So you know, that's what that's part of what the book.
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Speaker 2: Book is about. And she has to decide where her
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Speaker 2: loyalties are they're also and she kind of finds.
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Speaker 1: Out Yeah, and me meanwhile, we suggest she's well, she's
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Speaker 1: in control for the most part of the relationship with Wit.
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Speaker 1: Early on, he's starting to work wonder how she feels
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Speaker 1: and where he fits in her life. He gets frustrated
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Speaker 1: and he says, am I still just a piece of
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Speaker 1: your jigsaw puzzle. With that control comes difficulty for her, however,
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Speaker 1: because I don't get the feeling she's enjoying this. It's
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Speaker 1: not like she's trying to mess with his head. She's
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Speaker 1: legitimately torn emotionally, and it's not just her career that
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Speaker 1: what is up against. She still has feelings for Drew.
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Speaker 1: So here lies the answer to the question I suppose
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Speaker 1: is is this what happens when a woman of the
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Speaker 1: eighties has it all right?
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is yeah, exactly exactly, Well, a young
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Speaker 2: woman of the eighties who is trying to figure out
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Speaker 2: so many of the elements in her life. And that's
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Speaker 2: what she was referring to as a jigsaw puzzle, like I,
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Speaker 2: you know, I have a few pieces. Like she kind
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Speaker 2: of looks at herself like this unfinished mosaic where there
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Speaker 2: are things that are going to be filled in, and
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Speaker 2: she doesn't know what the final picture is going to
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Speaker 2: look like, and she maybe that makes a few analogies
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Speaker 2: about that throughout the book, and it's a very and
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Speaker 2: even even the lyrics of Once in a Lifetime, I
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Speaker 2: feel like that you are always wondering where am I
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Speaker 2: going to end up? How did I get here? How
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Speaker 2: am I going to get where I need to be going?
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Speaker 2: And in wondering that throughout the whole book, I think
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Speaker 2: it throws the people around her off, especially Wit, and
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Speaker 2: it maybe drew also, But to a certain extent, one
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Speaker 2: or the other of them are able to resolve that
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Speaker 2: better than the other.
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Speaker 1: Wit is not a saint either, right.
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Speaker 2: Now, he has his own but not no one's maliciously.
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Speaker 2: No one maliciously missteps in the book, right exactly. But
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Speaker 2: they do misstep, confuse each other, hurt each other, and
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Speaker 2: you know, try as best as they can to make
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Speaker 2: up for it.
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Speaker 1: But this I think also applies today for everybody male, female.
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Speaker 1: Is it possible to have it all at the same time?
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Speaker 1: Or is there always a price to pay? I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's always a sacrifice to make. You can't There's only
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Speaker 1: so much time in the day, you have to make
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Speaker 1: some sacrifices, and you find a lot of musicians, actors
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Speaker 1: who are on the road a lot. There is a
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Speaker 1: price that they pay for it, and then later in
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Speaker 1: life they realize, I don't know, maybe should I have
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Speaker 1: Should I have done that? Shit? But that's what life
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Speaker 1: is all about, making choices, right.
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Speaker 2: It's true. It's true. No matter how, no matter what
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Speaker 2: choice you make, you look back and wonder what would
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Speaker 2: have happened if you did the other thing?
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Speaker 1: So well, that's what I wonder is would the character
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Speaker 1: just do anything different if you were to ask her
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four about her life back then.
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Speaker 2: Hmmm, I don't know. She might idealistically think that that. Well,
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Speaker 2: the way I look at it is that if you
21:56
Speaker 2: could go back and do it again, you would do
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Speaker 2: it differently. Don't get it again. You only get the
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Speaker 2: one time. So if you have to prioritize, you pick
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Speaker 2: the one that you really had to, you know, make
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Speaker 2: number one in your life. So you know, if it
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Speaker 2: were a matter, if I could magically just continue to
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Speaker 2: live my life over again, would I have made different choices? Well? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because it would be fun to be able to discover
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Speaker 2: those other things. Yeah, but I wouldn't put those other
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Speaker 2: things over the choices that I made, you know, I
22:25
Speaker 2: made them for a reason, and I think I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of people find that out, and I think
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Speaker 2: you see a lot of unfiction also, you know, people
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Speaker 2: go back, you know, when they get this magical second chance,
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Speaker 2: and things just sort of revert to the choices that
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Speaker 2: they made and they reconfirm that maybe they weren't so
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Speaker 2: stupid after all.
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Speaker 1: Once in a lifetime it's out now. You can find
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Speaker 1: out wherever books are sold and where can people find
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Speaker 1: you online? Susan I am.
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Speaker 2: At Suzanne Maatdeboni dot com, so if you note the
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Speaker 2: spelling of the name, you can find it. There's also
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Speaker 2: be Terrific. It was also a once in a Lifetime
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Speaker 2: novel dot com site if you want to find out
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Speaker 2: about the book itself. And yeah, it's out there on Amazon,
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Speaker 2: it's on Kindle Unlimited at the moment, it's on Barnes
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Speaker 2: and Noble. It's at various places.
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Speaker 1: So that's great. Suzanne, thank you. This was great.
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Speaker 2: Great to be here. Yeah, great to get to discuss
23:20
Speaker 2: some of the ways that new wave music kind of
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Speaker 2: affected people all the time, because that was something I
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Speaker 2: really wanted to share with people who hadn't experienced it.
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Speaker 1: That's it, it's in the books.