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Show 22: Early Church on the Sacraments and Rev. Pat Robertson · The Uncensored Catholic

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Hey, y'all, welcome today's ship. I want to wrap up this series
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on the sacraments, finishing what the early church fathers said about the sacraments,
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and then I'm probably gonna get into something a little bit unexpected. You know,
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the televangelist, I guess, Pentecostal minister pat Robertson died today. And
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you know, although I certainly differ with him, differed with him on doctrine
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and theology, I had a great deal respect for the man, and he
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was actually very integral in my life. And I'm gonna tell you a little
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story after I finish up the Sacraments on exactly the role pat Robertson had in
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my life. And if you haven't heard the story before, it's probably gonna
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surprise you. We're talking. It's up the miraculous actually, So let's go
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ahead and get into what Saint Ignatius, What Saint Ignatius said to the church
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and Smyrna about those who doubted the real presence of Christ's body and blood in
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the Eucharist. Now, Saint Ignatius was writing I'm just gonna say around one
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hundred, okay, I mean, he was really one of the very first,
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you know post apostolic writers. But he died a martyr and a very
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heroic, very heroic saint. He said, they that abstain from the Eucharist
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and from prayer because they confess not the Euchrist to be the flesh of our
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Savior, Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father
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of his Goodness raised up again. Those therefore who speak against this gift of
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God incurred death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for
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them to treat it with respect, that they might rise again. It is
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fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not
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to speak of them, either in private or in public. But to give
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heed to the prophets and above all to the Gospel, in which the passion
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of Christ has been revealed to us and the resurrection has been fully proved.
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But avoid all divisions as the beginning of evils. So they're saying. Natius.
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He was bishop over the Church and Spurnings, bishop over several churches.
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He wrote many letters, and he always emphasized unity. There was to be
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no division, no schism whatsoever. He made explicitly clear in his writings there's
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only one church, It's the Catholic Church, and anyone who differed from the
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teachings of the Catholic Church was to be essentially ostracized. He said, keep
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aloof from such persons, and do not speak to them, either in private
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or in public. These would, you know, presumably be professing Catholics who
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doubted the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Very actually very strong words.
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Not as strong as you know Saint Paul, who said, give those
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people over to Satan, in other words, excommunicate them, but strong words.
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Nonetheless, Saint Justin Martyr wrote to the authorities of then still pagan Rum.
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You know, Rome did not become Christian nations in the three hundreds,
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And of course Rome spent a lifetime slaughtering Christians. I mean they've fed him
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the lions and crucified Christians and did everything he could to try to destroy Christianity.
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That's why it was called Babylon in in the Book of Revelation it was
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code word for run. Of course, with you know Charlemagne and Constantine,
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the Holy Roman emperors, Rome became the greatest well, Rome became the only
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Christian nation on earth. There was only one Church, and it was based
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in Rome under Saint Peter and under Saint Pope say Clement and Nike on.
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You know the list of the first popes. And yes, they were in
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Rome. And as I've said many times, even though for some reason protests
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deny it, Saint Peter's Basilica is built on the grave of Saint Peter.
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When they were doing excavations, they found his grave right under the altar.
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I mean, for some reason, pricess to this day will say, well,
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Peter was never in Rome. Well how do you know that. Well,
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the Bible doesn't Saint Peter was in Rome. Well, okay, the
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Bible is not a history book. It wasn't a newspaper. It didn't record
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every single thing that happened there. Certainly enough other texts, contemporary, even
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secular, even non Christian people opposed to Christianity documents that say, yes,
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Peter was in Rome, and Peter was crucified upside down own as a Christian
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martyr by the Romans in Rome. So you know, I don't know why
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that's an issue to anyone it said, honestly that that's inexplicable to me.
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I mean, I can't if if the Bible is to say, you know,
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Saint let's just pick one. For instance, where does the Bible say
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Saint Jude, my name Saint. Where was Saint Jude when he died?
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The Bible say so, if contemporary source comes up and say Saint Jude was
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in well, I don't care if it was Rome or Smyrna or Turkey,
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I mean we or whatever, then why would I doubt that Saint Jude was
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in whatever place it was recorded where he was. I believe he was martyred
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actually and died. Um. Yeah, yeah, he was a martyr.
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Um. Why would I doubt that just because it's not mentioned in the Bible.
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You know, the Bible also says Jesus did many other things, and
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all the work the book in the world couldn't contain what he said. You
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know, this whole idea of the Bible alone is the only authority ones is
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to believe. It just doesn't stand up to reason, you know, for
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simply for the fact that, for one, the Bible said Jesus did other
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things that aren't recorded in the Bible. But you know also the fact that
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the Bible's not a complete exhaustive history. It's a I mean the Bible actually
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says these things recorded so that you may believe. In other words, only
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what's presented in the Bible is presented for the purpose of causing you to believe
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in God. It's it's not a history book. It is, to some
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extent there's history in it, but it's not exhaustive. Like I said,
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it's not a newspaper. It's not the you know, the happenings of the
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day, recorded day by day for ten thousand years. No, it's not.
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But anyway, I mean, and you know, you also got to
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look at what a copy of the Bible do you have. Do you have
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a Protestant Bible where Martin Luther cut out every book that he didn't agree with.
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Speaking of Pat Robertson, I'll never forget one show he said that Jesus,
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our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ was the only person in history to
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ever be named Jesus. Well, not true. Actually, Jesus Hebrew,
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as our Torah observant and seven day ad venice brothers and sisters would tell us
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is yes, Shua Yeshua is Hebrew for Joshua. So not only was Joshua
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who fit the Battle of Jericho. You know, not only was Joshua had
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the same name as Jesus, but if you had a complete Bible, you
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would find I guess is Ciac or Wisdom. I don't have my Bible right
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at hand. Well, actually do, but I don't have time to flip
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through it while I'm doing a podcast. It's either Sierrac or Wisdom, both
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of which are books that Martin Luther's side didn't need to be in the Bible,
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because you know, he thought he had all authority. The author of
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the book was named Jesus, actually j E s u s or you know
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Yeshua in Hebrews. So without a Catholic Bible one, you don't have the
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knowledge of everything that's in the Bible without a knowledge of history, much of
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which we can get from the writings of the early Church fathers, the writings
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of the saints through the ages, the writings of the various popes and bishops,
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the tradition of the Catholic Church. How do you know what happened five
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hundred years ago? How do you know what happened five thousand years ago?
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You don't unless somebody wrote it down and told you about it. And just
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because not in the Bible doesn't mean it didn't happen. So anyway, Saint
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Justin Martyr wrote to the well, okay, so Saint Justin Martyr writing to
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the authorities of Rome was of course trying to convince him not to kill Christians,
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but he would gladly was martyred. He was a great example of the
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faith, and he was, you know, really our first what we would
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call an apologist, someone who explained Christianity to the Romans, to the Greeks.
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He had a long conversation with a Jew named Tyro who apparently converted to
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Christianity thanks to Saint Justin Martyr being able to counter his every argument. And
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really, gosh, I wish more people could read that, because so many
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of the confusion and the heresies and the divisions of this day would be cleared
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up if people just wrote, I have just read what Saint Justin Martyr explained
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to a well meaning, intelligent Jewish man who went into the conversation thinking that
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Christianity was absurd and heretical and absolutely evil. Actually, and Saint Justin Martyr,
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who apparently memorized the entire Old Testament word for word. Before then,
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he had been a philosopher in the Greek tradition. He had studied, you
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know, Socrates and you know all those guys, I mean, every school
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of Greek philosophy before becoming convinced that Christianity was the only truth. And so
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with the precision and the intelligence of a Greek philosopher. Of let's see,
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he lived between one hundred and sixty five a D. So of you know,
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somewhere around one fifty a d. You know, they wrote some of
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the greatest works, and I mean, gosh, I mean the Greek philosophers.
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We still study them today as just you know, brilliant people who employed
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logic to discover the nature of man and the secrets of the universe. Well,
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you know, Saint Justin Martyr was one of them, and he became
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a Christian, and he sits down with Tyro and his friends and he just
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explains in exquisite detail how the Old Testament describes the Christ, and how Jesus
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must have been the Christ for the Messiah, and why we no longer follow
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the Mosaic law other than the ten Commandments, you know, why no longer
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did we go to church on you know, observe the Jewish Sabbath. I
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guess I should say, you know why, and they no longer practiced circumcision
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or not eating poor can shellfish. The Jewish dietary laws, etc. Etc.
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All the feast days and holidays, the holy days of the Jewish tradition
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no longer applied to the Christian And that was a huge, huge issue for
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the Jews, of course, because I mean to follow the law was to
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follow the law to the letter. And from the very beginning here was Jesus
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and his apostles not observing the sabbath, you know, picking grain on the
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sabbath, healing people on the Sabbath. And when confronted, Jesus said,
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the son of Man is lord at the Sabbath. He called himself the son
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of Man. He was the God. He is the God who was the
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word incarnate. The very law itself is his word, and he's the lord
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of it. And when he said, you know, he rose on say.
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And when he and his church decided we would hell brate the Sabbath on
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Sunday, I ask the end of the argument. You know, when God
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says it, it's true, because God can't lie. Jesus did not say
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specifically in the Bible, you will no longer celebrate the Jewish Sabbath, you
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will observe Sunday. He said to his apostles, those who hear you,
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hear me. Those who reject you reject the one who sent me. He
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gave them the authority to bind and loose. If Saint Peter, along with
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the other eleven apostles, you know, once Judas was replaced by Matthias,
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said it it was as binding as the very words of Jesus Christ, because
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he gave them that authority and that power. And you know, if you
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don't believe that, how do you believe the Bible? Because they're the authors
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of it? I mean, seriously, if you cannot believe the didac which
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says specifically, we go church on Sunday, which was written by the apostles,
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or at least dictated with their authority, and then that's what Dak means.
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It's the teaching of the twelve. How can you believe the Bible?
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If Jesus didn't give his apostles that authority, then you have no foundation on
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which to base your belief. If they could be wrong on one point,
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they could be wrong on another point. If they lied, they could be
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lying the whole way. We only know about Jesus because the apostles wrote the
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New Testament. Same apostles wrote the dak and said, go church on Sunday,
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and it's actually Jesus's body and blood in the Eucharus, which Jesus also
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said in the Bible. And you have to be baptized, which Jesus also
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said in the Bible. You know, if preturn is simple, actually,
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if you don't busy yourself protesting against the truth, the truth becomes very plain.
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You know. That's what Protestantism means. It means to protest one who
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protests well anyway, Saint Justin Martyrs said, I will also relate in the
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manner in which we dedicate ourselves to God when we have been made new through
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Christ. Lest if we omit this, we seem to be unfair in the
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explanation we are making. As many as are persuaded and believe that what we
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teach and say is true and undertake to be able to live accordingly, are
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instructed to pray and entreat God with fasting for the remission of their sins that
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are past. We praying and fasting with them. Then they are brought by
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us where there is water and are regenerated in the same manner in which we
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ourselves who are regenerated. In other words, they're baptized for in the name
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of God, the Father and the Lord of the universe, and our Savior,
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Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. They then receive the washing
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with water. For Christ said, except ye be born again, ye shall
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not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Here we are one fifty eight. And
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Christians knew the meaning of that praise, the meaning of those words in the
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Bible. Except you be born again of water and the spirit, you may
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not hear the Kingdom of Heaven. There's so many, I mean, not
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even just like the fringe anymore. There are practicing you know, Baptists and
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Presbyterians and Lutherans and Methodists and mainline Protestant denominations that people where people are now
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arguing that baptism is just symbolic and not necessary. I had a conversation with
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one of my Catholic writer friends at Missy O'Day the other day, and he
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said, unfortunately, many Catholics don't understand the efficacy of the sacrament. They
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think it's more symbolic. No, Jesus actually said, unless you're baptized,
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that you're not going You've got to be baptized. He didn't say it's optional,
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you know. He also said, unless you eat my body and drink
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my blood, you have no life in you. So when priests to say
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you must be born again, and you just say to them, I am
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I am born again. I'm baptized. That's what it means. That's what
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it is said in the Bible. Moreover, I eat the body and blood
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of Christ. I am filled with the grace of God. And I actually
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do what Jesus said, not what you know, somebody thinks he might have
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said. I actually follow his actual words. So Saint Justin marges On now
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that it is impossible for those that have been once born to enter into their
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mother's wombs, as manifested the awe to all, and how those who have
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sinned and repent shall escape their sins is declared by Asas the Prophet. As
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I wrote above, he thus speaks, wash you, make you clean,
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put away your evil, the evil of your doings from your soul. Learn
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to do well, judge the fatherless, and plead for the widow. And
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come to let us read heason together saith the Lord. And though your skins
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be as scarlet, I will make them white like wool. And though they
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be as crimson, I will make them white as snow. But if you
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refuse and rebel, the sword shall devour you. For the mouth of the
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Lord hath spoken it. Well, that's kind of a strong statement, isn't
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quoting? I guess this is Isaiah. He spelled an E S A I
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A S, which I believe is the old spelling of Isaiah. He said,
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washy, that means be baptized, repent of your sins, change your
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ways, And if you refuse and rebel, the sword shall devour you,
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for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. Also interested in this passage,
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I have forgotten so many times people attributed to Abraham Lincoln the words come,
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let us reason together. He was actually quoting the Bible, and he
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didn't come up with that phrase. But a lot of times people say that,
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And that's neither here nor there. This is an aside, and okay,
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and Justine murges on. And for this right we have learned from the
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apostles this reason, since in our birth we were born without our knowledge or
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choice, by our parents coming together, and we were brought up in bad
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habits and wicked training, in order that we may not remain the children of
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necessity and of ignorance, but may become the children of choice and knowledge,
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and obtain in the water the remission of sins formerly committed. There is pronounced
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over him who chooses to be born again and has repented of his sins.
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The name of God, the Father, the Lord of the universe, who
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leads them, who leads to the lab that means washing, essentially labor.
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It's an old term, the person that is to be washed, calling him
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by his name one, for no one can utter the name of the ineffable
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God. And if anyone dared to say that there is a name, he
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raves and with a hopeless madness. And this washing is called illumination, because
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they who learned these things are illuminated in their understanding. And in the name
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of Jesus Christ, who is crucified and conscious pilot, and in the name
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of the Holy Ghost, who through the prophets foretold all things about Jesus,
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he who is illuminated is washed. I mean that says it as clearly as
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going to be again. This is one fifty eight d. Saint Justin Martyr
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I believe he was actually confirmed by Saint Peter, if memory serves. I
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mean, he knew the apostles, he learned from the apostles, and he
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makes you know, absolutely clear. And it's really very interesting here saying that
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one who is baptized is illumined. You know, Baptism opens one to the
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Holy Spirit, and without the Holy Spirit, you can't understand the Bible,
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the scriptures, the Word of God, I mean, etc. You know,
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people say, well, you know, okay, so when asked,
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Jesus said, of the Jews, they have Moses and the Law. But
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you go through the Bible from you page one Genesis to the end, and
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you see the Jews are constantly getting it wrong, screwing up. I mean,
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you know literally. You know, it's said by theologians and such that
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God chose the Jewish people to be as chosen people because they were the most
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falliable people on earth. I mean, just the same way Jesus chose Saint
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Peter to be the pope because he was like the guy who was going to
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mess up the most. And you know, the Bible says God raises up
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the weak to confound the strong, the intelligent to confound the intelligent. That's
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you know, that's what God does. And I think I'm not saying anything
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bad about Jewish people. It actually probably my Jewish friends are some of the
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most intelligent, interesting, talented, funny people on earth. But no,
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they're pretty very proud of saying. You know, God chose the smallest,
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the weakest, the most valuable tribe as his chosen people. And but why
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did the Jews crucified Jesus. Well, they did so because they didn't understand
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the scriptures. They didn't have the Holy Spirit. Whenever the Holy Spirit came,
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he was speaking through a prophet, and most times they went and killed
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the prophet stone and to death beat him if they listened to him. They
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didn't listen to him for long. It's because without the Holy Spirit, you
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cannot understand the word of God. But Saint Justin Marra went on said,
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but we, after we have been thus washed him who is convinced and had
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ascended to our teachings, bring him to the place where those who are called
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brethren are assembled, in order that we may offer hearty prayers in common for
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ourselves and for the baptized illuminated person, and for all others in every place
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and that we may be kind worthy now that we have learned the truth by
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our works, also to be found good citizens and keepers of the Commandment,
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so that we may be saved with an everlasting salvation. Having ended the prayers,
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we salute one another with a kiss. There is then brought to the
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President of the Brethren bread and a cup of wine mixed with water, and
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he, taking them, gives praise and glory to the Father of the universe,
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or the same son and the whole of the Holy Ghost, and offers
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thanks a considerable length for our being counted worthy to receive these things at his
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hand. And when he has concluded the prayers and thanksgiving, all the people
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expressed their assent by saying amen. The word amen in Hebrew means so be
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it. And when the President has given thanks, all the people of hispressor
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are sent those who are called by us deacons. Give to each of those
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present to partake in the bread and wine mixed with water, over which the
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thanksgiving is pronounced. And to those who are absent we carry away a portion.
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Okay, he's just basically said. After baptism, they pray over the
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person and he's confirmed, and then they have the Eucharist. And isn't that
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interesting that even in one fifty a d. They were taking the Eucharist to
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the sick. You know how we have the extraordinary ministers who take the Eucharist
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to people who can't go to Mass. That's how important it is. And
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he said the food is called among us. I can't pronounce Greek, but
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he puts in parentheses the Eucharist. Yeah, I'm not even gonna try to
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pronounce what it is in Greek, of which no one is allowed to partake.
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But the man who believes that the things which we teach are true,
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and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins
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and unto regeneration, and who is so living is Christ has enjoyed for not
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as common bread and common drink, till we receive these, but in like
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manner as Jesus Christ, our Savior, having been made fleshy, the Word
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of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation. So likewise we
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have been taught that the food which is blessed by prayer of His word,
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and for which our blood and fresh by transmutation or nourish transmutation. It's an
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interesting word by the way is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was
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made flesh. The early Church believed fully that the Euchurus was the flesh and
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blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the Apostles and the memoirs
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composed by them, which are called the Gospels, have thus delivered unto us
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what was enjoined upon them. That Jesus took the bread, and when he
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had given thanks, he said, this du ye, in remembrance of me,
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this is my body. And for the same member manner, having taken
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the copingham thanks, he said, this is my blood, and gave it
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to them alone. It's very important because proximally one fifty the Bible had not
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been comprised, it had not been put together. There was no Bible.
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There was only the memoirs essentially of the Apostles and the words they spoke.
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And here's Saint Justin Martyr one or so saying, this is what all Christians
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believe, just like in the DK, this is the body and blood of
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Christ, and only the baptized, only the confirmed, only those who've been
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to confession should receive it. You know. Catholic teaching of the sacraments absolutely
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remains unchanged. I mean, that's evidence. One of the biggest proofs of
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Catholicism is it's the only church that's been around since the day Jesus founded and
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teachings that are this important have not changed. You can look at as the
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Church still teach what the apostle said. Yes, the church just still teaches
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what the apostle says. Only a member of the Catholic Church can receive the
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eucharists, which is also known as the Holy Communion. One who cuts himself
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off from the graces offered by Christ through his church may be excommunicated, which
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means prohibited from receiving communion. That's what Saint Paul said. Let that man
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be unto you as a pagan. He is no longer to take part in
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the sacraments. Father Sparago explain a good Catholic ought also to hear the word
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of God, receive the necessary sacraments, take part in divine service, and
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he has a right to a Christian burial, etc. The Church forces nobody
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to enter its pale, but whoever becomes a member of his own free will
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and remains so must be subject to the laws of the Church. Under certain
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circumstances, those who disobey the laws of the Church are excommunicated or shut out
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from the Church. They lose their claim to the spiritual goods of the Church.
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They may not join in the Divine Service, nor see the sacraments,
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nor an office in the church, nor Christian burial. Some offenses include excommunication
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ipso facto, which means just by their act, okay, for instance,
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apostasy dueling. Now, did you know dueling is actually forbidden by the Church.
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Yeah, it is. If you enter into a duel, you're excommunicated
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Freemasonry. Did you know if you join the Masonic Order you are ipso facto
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excommunicated from the Catholic Church. I wish more people knew that Freemasonry is actually
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very evil and dedicated at its core to destroying Catholicism. That all our founding
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fathers, except for Charles Carroll, were Freemasons. Remember yesterday I said,
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I'm afraid America was founded upon sand and not upon a rock. Yeah.
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Yeah. The excommunication of all Freemasons was stated by Pious the Ninth in eighteen
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sixty nine. In other cases, the excommunication must be formally pronounced. So
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I mean if you're automatically excommunicated if you become a freemason. I mean,
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it's just like boom, you did it. It's done, You're out.
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Okay. In other cases the excommunication must be formally pronounced, and that too
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after warning and trial. I mean it actually takes. In other cases,
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it actually takes a trial with you know, canon law, as in the
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case of the old Catholic bishops Ankins Ankins e e I n k e s.
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I don't know how to pronounce that name. And Bellinger Saint Ambrose forbade
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the impath of Theodosius to enter the church after the latter had by his orders
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caused the slaughter of some seven thousand people in Thessalonica. And it was only
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after doing severe penance he was admitted. We know too that Saint Paul cut
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off in the church a vicious Corinthian. That's First Corinthian's Verse thirteen, which
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I referenced earlier. The state exercises a similar power in banishing criminals. It's
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very important that one remember the Church is the kingdom of God on earth,
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and any kingdom has officers and it has rules. I mean, you couldn't
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just let's say, you're in modern day England today. Okay, since I
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was so hard on the English yesterday, I'll give a good example. Let's
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say you're in Yorkshire, one of the most beautiful places on earth, with
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wonderful people and actually some very good food. By the way, people really
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make fun of English cooking, but you know, someone, it's pretty darn
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good Yorkshire putting the good gravy, the roast beef. I mean, come
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on, you know, bubble and squeak and toad in the hall and we
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can go in on. But anyway, let's say you're in Yorkshire and you're
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drinking a real ale, you know, housemaid in a tavern by someone who
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actually cares what they're doing, and you said to yourself, you know what,
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I'm going to rebel against the government of England and the king. I'm
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going to call myself the King of Yorkshire and this is now my own country.
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Well, now you'd probably just laughed at but you know one hundred years
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ago, two hundred years ago, you'd immediately be dragged out of there,
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put in prison, in charge with treason. Well, but you've got to
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remember every day some Protestants stands up and says, I'm a Christian. I've
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been a form of my own church. Well, he has no authority to
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do so. There's only one church founded by Jesus. And the Catholic Church
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says, well, you know what. By doing that, you know,
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mister Martin Luther or whomever, you don't get to take part in the sacraments
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anymore. You don't get to call yourself a Catho Like, you can't receive
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the Eucharist, you can't be buried in a Catholic cemetery. Wow, you
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know, I found it very interesting. They used to call Paracelsus the great
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herbalist and alchemist, even Paracelsus the greatest doctor of his age. He was
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very bombastic. In fact, his name was actually Paracelsus theo Francist bombastist von
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Hohenheim. He was a total iconoclass. I mean he was often charged with
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sedition and treason for confronting the authorities of the day. And he was kicked
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out of being a professor at a college because he taught in German as opposed
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to Latin. And because he taught in German, people the common man could
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understand him. And he actually opened his classroom so that people who weren't even
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paying to go to school, could come listen to his lectures, and that
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was a huge scandal. He was buried in a Catholic cemate terry, and
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that's interesting because you know, he was called the Martin Luther of medicine,
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and he stated in his own handwriting proudly, I will not burn with Luther.
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So he reconciled to the Catholic Church, and as controversial figure as he
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was, he received a Christian Catholic burial. If only Luther had done the
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same, we wouldn't be in the situation where we are now. So now
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let me see some good words about a Protestant and that's Reverend. I guess
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he was also a doctor, wasn't he? Okay, doctor of theology.
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It doesn't really count, sorry, y'all. If you went to school when
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you got a PhD, I call a medical doctors doctors. If you got
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a doctor to poetry, I'm not calling you a doctor. Okay. If
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he went to I don't care, mount Ola College, which is sort of
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like a joke of a Protestant school here in North Carolina, and you got
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your PhD in you know, divinity, I'm not calling you a doctor.
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All right, you could a donkey could go to some of these schools and
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if they well, okay, let me just put it this way. When
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I was at a certain Baptist university, the admissions policy was anyone with a
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heartbeat and a wallet. So I'm sorry. A doctor, a doctorate of
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divinity or theology from certain institutions did not impress me very much. You know,
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a doctorate of women's studies doesn't impress me very much either. But you
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know, if you're a doctor, you better be given somebody some pills or
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cutting on him as a surgeon anyway. But anyway, Reverend pat Robertson,
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it was a good man. He was a very good man. He helped
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form the Moral Majority with doctor Folwell, whom I knew, who was a
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friend to me and a big influence on my life. I would not be
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Catholic were it not for Jerry Folwell, for better or for worse, you
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know, it was a very good man. Doctor Charles Stanley, I actually
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referenced him the other day he died recently. Those three men, plus I
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guess Ralph Reid, who I think is still alive and still looks like he's
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about twelve years old. They formed the Moral Majority, and they helped elect
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President Reagan, and they did more to push back against abortion than probably the
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entire Catholic Church put together. You know, you got to give him their
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due. We would not have overturned rov Wade were it not for the actions
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of faithful Catholics and faithful Protestants. When I was about nineteen, I suffered
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a severe back injury, paralysis, really bad. I was dragging one leg
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completely and had some movement in the other, walking on canes. It was.
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It was devastating, was permanently a disabled. According to the doctors.
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I was never supposed to walk again. And I was in such intense,
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agonizing pain sometimes I didn't sleep for ten days a ninth straight. I mean,
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he was horrible. And I'm sitting on the sofa one morning and the
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seven hundred Club comes on and I couldn't get up change the channel, and
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we didn't have a remote control, or if we did at that point,
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it wasn't near me, you know how it used to be. He had
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three channels and he had to get up and change them manually. And Pat
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Robertson said, I have just received a word of knowledge. So this sounded
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the clear blue. He says, I've just received a word of knowledge.
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The Holy Spirit tells me that there is a young man in North Carolina who
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was paralyzed. He's had a back injury, and the doctors tell him he
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would never walk again. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, that young
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man is now. He and I sat there and dumb struck all one.
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How did he know who I was? Why is this man on TV talking
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to me? A man I didn't believe in. Okay, why is he
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talking to me? And suddenly a warmth began at the base of my spine
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and began spiraling upwards like hot water being poured over men, till it reached
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the base of my skull. And my back was one healed, herniated,
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blown out disks, I mean, ruptures, fractured vertebrae, healed. I
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had had scoliosis from childhood. My pine was twisted, almost like a corkscrew.
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It's straightened in an instant, a pure, absolute miracle. I actually
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grew an inch in the blink of an eye. Now pain continued for years.
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A pensioners the whole bit, but structurally physically, in a way that
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no medical doctor could explain. My back was healed, and on that day
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I rededicated my wife to Christ. And thanks to Pat Robertson, thanks to
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a Pentecostal minister on TV. God used him as an instrument, and I
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would not be sitting here talking to you today had that not happened, I
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never would have become Catholic. Had that not happened. That was the watershed
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changing moment of my wife. And it happened due to Pat Robertson. May
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he rest in peace, and I you know, I'm sure he had.
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He's had a huge surprise today, you know, when he went to heaven
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and realized that, you know, Catholics had it right, and the Pentecostal
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doctrine is very fought. But that's a Protestant who I firmly believe is bound
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for the Kingdom of Heaven. He'll get it right, I'm sure, you
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know, like most of us, like all of us, essentially will have
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to do a little time in purgatory. But I guarantee when he arrived,
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God said to him, well done, good and faithful servant. All right,
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y'all, in the words of Saint Padre Pio, pray, hope and
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don't worry, and I will talk to you tomorrow,