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Political Capital 183 - Trump tariffs sideswipe BC politics again, BC Greens, BC Ferries · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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  Speaker 1: Check Podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, and welcome to Political Capital, your source for
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  Speaker 2: all the latest in BC politics. I'm your host, Rob
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  Speaker 2: Shahb'm not in the check News World headquarters. A little
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  Speaker 2: bit more relaxed as summer approaches and that hot weather
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  Speaker 2: is here, but we still got lots of BC political
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  Speaker 2: material for you. It is a very busy time in
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  Speaker 2: BC politics. We have Jeff Ferrier and Ali Blade, you
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  Speaker 2: know them, love them from each and every week here.
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  Speaker 2: Jillian is off this week, but we are going to
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  Speaker 2: dive in to quite a few topics. If we can
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  Speaker 2: get through them here on the show, make sure you
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  Speaker 2: subscribe to the audio podcast where we have an extended
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  Speaker 2: conversation about some of these issues. Let's begin with Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump again announcing late Thursday a thirty five percent tariff
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  Speaker 2: potently on Canadian goods starting August first, and a letter
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  Speaker 2: to the Prime minister, a dramatic re escalation of a
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  Speaker 2: trade war that had died down a little bit. It
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  Speaker 2: felt like a little bit more calm since Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: Mark Carney came in, Premier David Ebe launching his reply.
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  Speaker 2: And here we go again, back to the old wartime
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  Speaker 2: footing of the provincial government. So Jeff, let's start with
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  Speaker 2: you on this. What do we do now? And also,
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  Speaker 2: here's the hypothesis I'm going to put out and you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to agree with it, but we can talk
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  Speaker 2: about it. Does this help the eb government return to
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  Speaker 2: the idea of fighting Donald Trump, fighting Tariff's economic patriotism
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  Speaker 2: and move away from a lot of the other issues
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  Speaker 2: that you and I and we've been talking about each
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  Speaker 2: and every week in healthcare, crime and the other sort
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  Speaker 2: of domestic issues that are proving to be problematic for
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  Speaker 2: this government.
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  Speaker 3: I think some people be looking at those approval numbers.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's the Premier is going to be
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  Speaker 3: doing that. And just practically speaking, you saw at the
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  Speaker 3: end of COVID there was no real bump for the
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  Speaker 3: government after COVID was done, after the crisis had finished.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think it holds water that something that
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  Speaker 3: they do early in the government that's a crisis. I
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  Speaker 3: think people will want to put that behind them, and
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  Speaker 3: it creates a problem for government more than a solution.
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  Speaker 3: I think the numbers that the government is focused on
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  Speaker 3: is the number of jobs that are at risk, the
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  Speaker 3: hit on GDP, the hit on government revenues, what that
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  Speaker 3: means in terms of money for healthcare, education, housing, public safety,
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  Speaker 3: the hot button issues that are forefront of British Columbian's
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  Speaker 3: mind right now, and what do we have to do.
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  Speaker 3: I think all the Canadian premiers are doing this. I
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  Speaker 3: think Premier is doing this well, diversifying our trading partners,
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  Speaker 3: it's speeding up economic development projects in the province to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that we have a strong economy that is resilient,
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  Speaker 3: stands on its own two feet, and we can resist
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  Speaker 3: the economic as you said, economic war that Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: is launched in Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Allie, what do you think of what this does for
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  Speaker 2: the provincial political scene? Again to have this as a top.
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  Speaker 1: Issue, my brain also went to relating it to the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: as Jeff just did, because it's something that happened to
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  Speaker 1: us as Canadians and then it was uncertain and we
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  Speaker 1: just didn't quite know how long it was going to
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  Speaker 1: last and what was the best course of action at
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  Speaker 1: the time. So here we are again where something is
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  Speaker 1: happening to Canadians, Canadian businesses, and where we're relying on
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  Speaker 1: elected officials to guide us through this. There is an
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  Speaker 1: expiration date though on how tolerant. We are of the
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  Speaker 1: platitudes of elbows up, or you know we're working on it,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, hope is on the way, because eventually
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  Speaker 1: the time will pass that your hope hope. We're hoping
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  Speaker 1: as Canadians that something will actually deliver. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I think that most elected representatives have been given a
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  Speaker 1: bit of grace. It certainly impacted the trajectory of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things in Canada or the influence rather take
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  Speaker 1: a look at the federal general election. But where are
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  Speaker 1: we at right now? So all of the premiers are
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  Speaker 1: going to come together in a couple of weeks next
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  Speaker 1: week July twenty first, to be exact, the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: is now coming to that meeting, and sure enough the
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  Speaker 1: importance of that meeting is critical because they'll likely gather
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  Speaker 1: to talk about, well, what do we do in this
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  Speaker 1: yet another Trump response to these tariffs? But what I
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  Speaker 1: think is going to be more interesting is how each
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  Speaker 1: of the premiers position themselves work with me. Here. We
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  Speaker 1: saw an m you with the Alberta and Ontario government
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  Speaker 1: last week announced at the stampede, where generally every elected
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  Speaker 1: representative gathers. And so what I've noticed from that is
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  Speaker 1: that VC was visibly left out of that conversation, and
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  Speaker 1: so is David eb going to this meeting in Ontario
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  Speaker 1: positioning himself in a way that he can reinsert EC
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  Speaker 1: into the larger conversation. I think that's what I'm certainly
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  Speaker 1: going to be watching for. But back to your question,
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  Speaker 1: something's got to give, something actually has to be delivered.
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  Speaker 1: I say, we're probably looking at like the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year until Canadians start to ask, Okay, so what
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  Speaker 1: were the action items from these various meetings? Just like
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  Speaker 1: anything else, like we want accountability and we can't just
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  Speaker 1: say whatever to delay the time of from these electeds.
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  Speaker 2: It is. The timelines are interesting, Jeff, because we spend
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time talking about, say, for example, eliminating
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  Speaker 2: inter provincial trade barriers on liquor, but then there was
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  Speaker 2: an agreement signed this week from the provinces that says
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  Speaker 2: that's not actually going to happen until next spring. Because
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  Speaker 2: it's very complicated and elbows up, but complicated kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: How what's the runway on having to deliver things in
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  Speaker 2: this versus kind of you know, the wrapping your putting
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  Speaker 2: another Canadian flag in front of the legislature and then
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  Speaker 2: and and sort of kind of whaling on Trump on
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  Speaker 2: social media sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a fair question. I think Alli
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  Speaker 3: raises good points on that front. I think you've seen
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  Speaker 3: government move quickly on green energy projects, speeding up the
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  Speaker 3: building of those that represents billion dollars and more. In
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  Speaker 3: the British Columbia economy. We've seen Highland Valley copper from
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  Speaker 3: tech uh uh get a permits and approvals and authorizations
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  Speaker 3: ready to go in the BC interior LNG. Canada's just
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  Speaker 3: shipped its first LNG to Asia. So there are things
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  Speaker 3: is happening, but the government needs to do a lot
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  Speaker 3: more and quickly. The good news is there are a
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  Speaker 3: lot of projects, actual projects with proponents, with customers, with
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  Speaker 3: business plans, authorization requests in front of government, particularly in
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  Speaker 3: areas like critical minerals, which is the bell of the
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  Speaker 3: ball these days. So BC has an opportunity to do
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  Speaker 3: that build build build thing. Ali's right, it needs to
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  Speaker 3: happen sooner rather than later. And just want to pick
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  Speaker 3: up on one point that Ali makes about you know,
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  Speaker 3: the BC being left out of conversations with you know,
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  Speaker 3: Ontario and Alberta. I think the Premier has made a
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  Speaker 3: political choice to focus on Asia Pacific, the investors with
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  Speaker 3: the money, the folks who we can diverse of our
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  Speaker 3: diversify our trade economy with. People have asked me, well,
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  Speaker 3: why was the Premier not at the last First Ministers meeting.
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  Speaker 3: It's because he went where the money is and he
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  Speaker 3: went where the investors were, and I think you know
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  Speaker 3: his sense was meeting with those folks instead of another
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  Speaker 3: gab fest with premiers was the right thing to do
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  Speaker 3: for British Columbia.
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  Speaker 2: Not to say China. There really really hard not to
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  Speaker 2: say China. Sorry, Ali, go ahead that that.
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  Speaker 1: Could very well be true. But I think two things
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  Speaker 1: can be true at the same time in that this
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  Speaker 1: is also, in my opinion, a repercussion of the last
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  Speaker 1: time we were on a federal stage where our elected
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  Speaker 1: representatives in BC we're saying that there's not a business
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  Speaker 1: proposal for pipelines in front of them. It's where I
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  Speaker 1: argued that it's not about talking about these hypothetical issues,
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  Speaker 1: but rather making sure that we are invited to the
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  Speaker 1: table when others are having the conversation. This also goes
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  Speaker 1: to there's a shift in dynamics of the relationship with
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  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and various provinces. And right now what
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing is Danielle Smith and Douve Ford at the
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  Speaker 1: top for all of their asks. Meanwhile that David Ebe
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  Speaker 1: is nowhere to be seen. But potentially I'm also just
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  Speaker 1: not sure why he's asking of the Prime Minister's office either.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, on pipelines, I guess Jeff, like, if we go
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  Speaker 2: to the pipeline issue, does it increase the pressure on
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  Speaker 2: the premiere to kind of do more than just say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen a project in front of me, therefore
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  Speaker 2: I don't have anything to say about it. If that
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  Speaker 2: now becomes another dominant theme brought up by this tari.
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  Speaker 3: Threat, Yeah, I think the premier is frustrated. I think
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  Speaker 3: he's frustrated that a premier who uses separation as a
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  Speaker 3: cudgel to get attention from the federal government is getting it,
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  Speaker 3: and that they're getting it on projects that don't exist,
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  Speaker 3: that don't have a proponent, that don't have customers, that
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  Speaker 3: don't have a plan. And he's going to Ottawa and
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  Speaker 3: his people are going to Ottawa. I have no debt
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  Speaker 3: pounding on the doors of the federal government there with
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  Speaker 3: actual projects, with actual proponents, with actual customers. I talked
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  Speaker 3: about critical metals before LNG. There's LNG projects indigenous led
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  Speaker 3: in the North see Lissam's huge potential investment, a real project.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the Premiere is frustrated that everything is
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  Speaker 3: focusing on a project that will not There will be
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  Speaker 3: years and years and years and years away when there
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  Speaker 3: are projects on the doorstep right now, ready to go.
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  Speaker 3: If the federal government joins BC and gets behind.
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  Speaker 2: Them, what do you think eli should the Premier put
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  Speaker 2: out something like Christy Clark put out with a Northern
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  Speaker 2: Gateway pipeline, which was here's a series of British Columbia's demands.
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  Speaker 2: If you're going to do this, we want, you know,
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  Speaker 2: world class coast guard funding. We want spill protection here,
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  Speaker 2: we want the partnerships here, we want this amount of revenue,
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  Speaker 2: we want that like would that help put BC on
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  Speaker 2: the stage, But as Jeff points out, there is no
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  Speaker 2: project unlike Northern Gateway. We don't have a opponent to
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  Speaker 2: argue against. We don't have any numbers, there's no But
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  Speaker 2: what would what do you make of that idea of
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  Speaker 2: or are we headed there eventually? Anyways?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea actually these so that
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  Speaker 1: there must be things that we could benefit from in
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  Speaker 1: in BC, whether it's a faster approval process, making sure
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  Speaker 1: that we're taking care of our coastlines. To your point,
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  Speaker 1: it's a true British Columbian identity that we have is
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  Speaker 1: making sure that we're taking care of our coastlines. But
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  Speaker 1: my perception of the Premiere is that in comparison to
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  Speaker 1: someone like Christy Clark, who saw that vision to bring
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  Speaker 1: that LG to this province, is that there isn't something
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  Speaker 1: that's forward thinking in a way that that's going to
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  Speaker 1: economically take care of us for years to come. I've
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  Speaker 1: always seen him as a very reactive premier versus even
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  Speaker 1: just during the last election, we didn't see something in
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  Speaker 1: his platform that said this is what's going to be
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  Speaker 1: our life raft for generations to come.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is mining, I guess now, Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: Critical minerals like critical minerals, I say, there's more than
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  Speaker 3: anyone in the province of British Columbia or critical minerals
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  Speaker 3: you raise Christy Clark. I want to say something nice
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  Speaker 3: about Christy Clark and those five conditions. Here we go
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  Speaker 3: one of the conditions was a fair return for British
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  Speaker 3: Columbia from the transport of gas oil through British Columbia.
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  Speaker 3: You want to know one of the reasons why BC
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  Speaker 3: wants to maximize the amount of oil that's going through
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  Speaker 3: trans Mountain because they get a percentage. They get a percentage,
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  Speaker 3: which is money going into a treasury where there's not
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot of money right now where you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're facing Trump and every little bit of money, every
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  Speaker 3: bit of percentage that they're factored in and they get
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  Speaker 3: and we get is thanks to Christy Clark and that
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  Speaker 3: negotiating shed in the five conditions. So there you go,
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  Speaker 3: Jeff says something nice Christie Clark.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I do think we're going to end up in
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  Speaker 2: a situation where BC is going to have to put
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  Speaker 2: another Clark style kind of a series of demands on
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  Speaker 2: the table. But it's just when do we get there
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  Speaker 2: and when does that benefit the province the most. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about another issue, one of our major Asia Pacific
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  Speaker 2: trading partners, apparently China and BC and the BC Ferries
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  Speaker 2: China contract deal, which continues to be a brewing issue
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  Speaker 2: provincially and federally. The federal Conservatives coming out swinging on
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  Speaker 2: this this week, Pierre Pouliev arriving in Vancouver, saying that
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  Speaker 2: this contract needs to be canceled, that the funding should
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  Speaker 2: be pulled. A one billion dollar loan from Ottawa equated
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  Speaker 2: it to funding slave labor in China. The opposition has
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  Speaker 2: started the Parliamentary Committee on Transportation Federally. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: compel the CEO of BC Ferries to testify, along with
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  Speaker 2: some federal cabinet ministers and others. Ali, what is this
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  Speaker 2: due to that issue, which has been a provincial issue,
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  Speaker 2: is now growing into a much more of a federal issue.
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  Speaker 2: How does it change the dynamic of this? Does it
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  Speaker 2: make it any more likely that this isn't going to
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  Speaker 2: happen or will happen? Are people entrenching? What does it
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  Speaker 2: all look like?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think I'm a realistic person that I understand
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  Speaker 1: that this is probably still going to happen despite the
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  Speaker 1: various opposition, just because well, who else is going to
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  Speaker 1: build it? And it's going to end up costing Canadians
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  Speaker 1: way more, which is another problem that we just can't
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  Speaker 1: quite actually afford. But what I do like about all
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  Speaker 1: of this is that it means that these elected representatives,
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  Speaker 1: particularly Christoph Freeland and Minister Gregor Robertson, have to actually
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  Speaker 1: stand by some of their choices, and that's like the
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  Speaker 1: fund of opposition. And that's why I'm very proud that
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  Speaker 1: be A Conservatives federally put forward this in the Transportation
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  Speaker 1: Committee to start having these conversations, because what it means
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  Speaker 1: is that where Freeland tried to hide behind a letter
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  Speaker 1: before in very calculated words, they were very specific to
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  Speaker 1: try to be seen as someone who opposes this, now
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  Speaker 1: she has to double down and defend it even more,
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  Speaker 1: which is not a great look for them. So I
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  Speaker 1: quite like the sport of this is that we're we
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  Speaker 1: might not win the battle in this, but we will
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  Speaker 1: have some fun and throwing some punches.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff, what do you think this does to the
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  Speaker 2: issue now the federal liberal government is all tied up
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  Speaker 2: in it. Does it change the dynamic at all?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I'll say is that Pier Polli
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  Speaker 3: ever always goes like that one step a little bit
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  Speaker 3: too far, which is probably why he has some party
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  Speaker 3: members behind the scenes raising questions about his leadership. He'll
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  Speaker 3: hold on, He'll be fine, and he'll win his seat
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  Speaker 3: and he'll be back. I think that what this is
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  Speaker 3: is a case study and crisis communications and crisis communications
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  Speaker 3: gone wrong. I think that all of this is entirely predictable.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as that decision was made by BC Ferries
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  Speaker 3: and the government failed to step in to put a
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  Speaker 3: stop to it, it set and wheels the motion of
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  Speaker 3: everything that we've seen in terms of opposition pushback, in
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  Speaker 3: terms of union response, and now at the federal level.
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  Speaker 3: Initially the Liberals were angry about it, and then it
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  Speaker 3: turns out that they loaned money to b C Fairies
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  Speaker 3: to do this, and now you have the federal opposition.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going to do a wide ranging conversation with
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  Speaker 3: the CEO of BC Ferries and those ministers. There's just
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  Speaker 3: going to be speeches attacking them on the national stage. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lesson to folks who see difficult times
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  Speaker 3: coming in ahead because of decisions that they made. Get
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  Speaker 3: to the endgame right at the start, and so you
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  Speaker 3: can avoid this long denument of difficulties that you're going
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  Speaker 3: to face from decisions that you know are going to
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  Speaker 3: be hugely unpopular with your voters.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff, just staying with you. Do you think it is
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  Speaker 2: there any possibility that this leads to it's somehow being
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  Speaker 2: canceled in some way federally or provincially.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a lawyer. I don't understand the legal
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  Speaker 3: obligations about it. I just think from a political perspective,
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  Speaker 3: it's something that should have been explored an awful lot
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  Speaker 3: more than it was.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Ali, any thought final thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 1: To to Jeff's point, like, it's just outrageous to me
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  Speaker 1: that politicians will never have a humble moment at the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning. They very well could have said, Christopherhland could
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  Speaker 1: have very well said this is not the best case scenario.
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  Speaker 1: But to my point, we can't afford the alternative. So
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  Speaker 1: here we are. You know, she's been through these situations before,
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  Speaker 1: so I have no doubt that she will be able
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  Speaker 1: to navigate this quite well. But Minister Gregor Robertson, on
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  Speaker 1: the other like, this is the first time on a
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  Speaker 1: federal stage that he will have to really endure some
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  Speaker 1: of this negative attention on him, and so I'm very
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  Speaker 1: interested to see how he navigates this and does he
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  Speaker 1: potentially lose some Brownie points in favorability.
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  Speaker 2: M Yeah, it's his first sort of big test in
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  Speaker 2: that role and has nothing to do with housing, everything
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  Speaker 2: to do with some Crown infrastructure bank that we barely
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  Speaker 2: ever talk about. But here we go. So okay, one
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  Speaker 2: final issue. I want to get this in here. THEBC
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  Speaker 2: Greens have now finalized their leadership candidate slate. We talked
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about it last week. There are three
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  Speaker 2: candidates that have been named, Adam Bremner, Aikins, Emily Lowen
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  Speaker 2: and Jonathan Kerr. Jonathan Kerr is a family doctor from Comox.
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  Speaker 2: He's on counsel. Emily Lowen, a twenty four year old
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  Speaker 2: climate justice organizer with the fight that Oligarchs Fund Our
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  Speaker 2: Future campaign And Bremner Aikins is a political science student
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  Speaker 2: from SFU who was I think the Greens secretary and
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  Speaker 2: had been on provincial council. Jeff two young people, one
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  Speaker 2: Emily Lowen proposing to sign up more members than the
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  Speaker 2: party has to kind of take it over, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: versus a family doctor who is talking a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more about taking the party I think a little bit
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  Speaker 2: into the center. What do you make of this dynamic
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  Speaker 2: for the Greens and what this means for their leadership race.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about organizing it small member party. The person
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  Speaker 3: who signs up the most members is gonna win and
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  Speaker 3: become the next leader. I think we've seen leadership races
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  Speaker 3: recently when Folks summoned organization that was better also illegal,
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  Speaker 3: against someone who was seen as a front runner and
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  Speaker 3: the clear establishment choice. I think there needs to be
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: a fourth candidate, needs to be someone who will come
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  Speaker 3: in with and use questionable organizing tactics with potentially illegal
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: third party corporate support to try and take over the
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  Speaker 3: party even though they're not really member that party.
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  Speaker 2: Just for your meet, I will do it.
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  Speaker 3: We'll call it the Apadurai move.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Who knows. I hope the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Greens pull this vote off without any scandal, but it
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: feels like every leadership race has some type of intrigue
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: for sure. Intrigue. Yeah, Ali, close us off on this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Now that we have these three, this dynamic. The Green
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: vote is in September. I think we get twenty fourth,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: we get the results. I saw Jonathan Kerr already go
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to Prince George Colonna kamloops starting in parts of the province.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: There's no Green almost no Green presence. How do you
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: think this might play for the Greens here.
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned last week, I think this is really
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: healthy for the Greens in that going across the province
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and gives them that opportunity to engage new members and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: hopefully recruit more to help them with election readiness. One
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: of the trends that I think are potentially going to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: impact what's going on here in BC. Listen, I'm no
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: expert in what's happening with the NDP or the Greens
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  Speaker 1: on any part or any corner of this country. But
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I did read something this week that I thought was
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: very interesting in that, as it relates to the federal
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: NDP leadership campaign, there's a little bit of a group
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that is curious what it would be like to just
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: merge the Greens and the NDP together federally to help
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: them have a little bit more of a boost. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: so because of some of those conversations that are happening federally,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it will trickle down to BC.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: It all.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Granted, BC has always been a bit of a unique
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: circumstance on a lot of fronts, but it's a very
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: interesting position that some Green members are talking about and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: some ndprs are talking about federally, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And plan out. That would be the death of That
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: would be the death of the NDP if they did that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: If you look at the combined vote of urban hipster Dufist,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: New Democrats and Greens, you have enough to elect maybe
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: three people, whereas the NDP, when it spoke to working
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: people about bread and butter issues, actually won seats and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: had influence in parliament.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: It might be you're right, Alley, it might very well
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: become part of the conversation. Uh here at the BC
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Greens race.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like more of a federal kind of
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: merger and marriage. You're right, but very interesting. Okay, we'll
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: leave it there. Thank you Jeff and Alley for being here.
• 22:36
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