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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Basketball - Ross Hodge Visits (Episode 707) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: I told you guys to come back. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: said it. I told him this week. I said, come back.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to miss. I wasn't lying. I wasn't lying.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a good one for you. Have I ever
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  Speaker 1: said that before?
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  Speaker 2: You got to go first ever? Huh?
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  Speaker 1: I got a good one for you. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: good one for you. Welcome into three Guys before the game.
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  Speaker 1: It's episode number seven O seven, and our very special guest,
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  Speaker 1: Mountaineer head basketball coach Ross Hodge is with us. That's
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  Speaker 1: him in case you've never seen him. We're ready to
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  Speaker 1: do this thing. Everything is up for grabt We're talking basketball.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about the past regular season, We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the upcoming Crown Basketball Tournament. We're talking about next season,
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  Speaker 1: and who knows what we may get into. At times
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  Speaker 1: on this program we have gone off script once.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I talk some baseball and football too. Coach is
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  Speaker 2: a big fan of both.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, we'll get all that. I think your very
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  Speaker 1: first sporting event that you watched West Virginia play, besides
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  Speaker 1: when you were at North Texas here was baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, he went to a game, a backyard brawl.
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  Speaker 3: Backyard brawl Yeah, that was first night right in Morgantown.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be coming up. Yeah, that'll be coming up again.
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  Speaker 1: Courts and session, no pun intended. Let's do this thing. Ross,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much for spending time. You get pulled
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  Speaker 1: a lot, man, I mean, seasons still on. Then you
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  Speaker 1: were nice enough to say, yeah, I'll give you guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you guys some time. So we certainly do
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, glad to be here.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a new feature on that.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to point. I look up at
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  Speaker 1: our monitor, A three guys, first four bagger quadbox, squad box.
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  Speaker 2: This is almost like Red Zone Channel on Sundays. Here,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a quad box.
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  Speaker 1: Down in the lower left box. You'll notice the gentleman
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  Speaker 1: with the blue shirt on. He's got the old mountaineer
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  Speaker 1: on top of that, which is always a real good look.
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  Speaker 1: After almost one full year, your review of the swag
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  Speaker 1: in apparel that you've been issued at West Virginia is.
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  Speaker 3: Plus like plus. Yeah, Kyle, Kyle's the best. He takes
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  Speaker 3: really good care of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle Keysler's the equipment man, and he's got some
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  Speaker 1: design function in there too. So, as I said, we
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  Speaker 1: may go off topic here. So of all of the
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  Speaker 1: gear and all of gard, you have fallen in love
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  Speaker 1: with old school uniforms. Yes, the old Jerry West white
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  Speaker 1: and the old Jerry West blues.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a I'm kind of a uniform purist.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously when you have your your special special games. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the Coal Rush uniform is obviously, you know, very meaningful
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  Speaker 3: and pactful. But I'm just kind of a clean crisp
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  Speaker 3: that old school jersey cut type that's a little tighter
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  Speaker 3: and not as full and yeah, just the uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the West Virginia block lettering looks really good and
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  Speaker 3: I was thankful that again you love the love the
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  Speaker 3: Jerry West. The blue ones they wore and we wore
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  Speaker 3: this year, and then the white ones we introduced this year.
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  Speaker 3: With the combination of your your modern school colors too,
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  Speaker 3: allows it to maybe have a little more permanent feel
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  Speaker 3: to it.
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  Speaker 2: So, by the way that that's a good coach breakdown,
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  Speaker 2: he brought you a couple of things there. The combination
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  Speaker 2: of the current school colors is is an elite LEVELHD.
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  Speaker 2: And then the thinner cut of the on the jersey
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't just like a half ass I like to throw,
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  Speaker 2: that was a detailed like I got it.
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  Speaker 1: Fair to say, Fair to say if you never see
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  Speaker 1: the gray uniforms again, you won't cry.
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  Speaker 3: Probably wouldn't, wouldn't hurt my feelings.
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  Speaker 4: Just put those away.
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  Speaker 3: There was there was a time period where gray was
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  Speaker 3: was a really big trend in college basketball for the
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  Speaker 3: the alternate uniform. You kind of had your your two
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  Speaker 3: predominant colors, and then gray went universal there for a
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  Speaker 3: little while, everyone had a gray alternate and and I
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  Speaker 3: don't dislike them, you know, I just I like the
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  Speaker 3: other one's best.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you came from North Texas and they can
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  Speaker 4: never My son was in North Texas and they can
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  Speaker 4: never decide on which green. I mean it's always like
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  Speaker 4: four different kinds of green, like pick a green?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Did you notice?
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  Speaker 1: Do you understand?
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  Speaker 3: I did notice that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I did notice.
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  Speaker 1: Was that an attack on Ren Baker? I mean he
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  Speaker 1: was the athletic director, He's a guy in show. Why
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  Speaker 1: do you come on this show? Why would you attack Ren?
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  Speaker 1: He's not even here to defend.
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  Speaker 4: I don't start with me today when Brand already started
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  Speaker 4: with me today, don't you start now?
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  Speaker 2: You started it. We're just finishing it.
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  Speaker 1: Before I got here. You guys went at it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he started it. He came in like all pulling
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  Speaker 2: a hoppy kerchival. I had to jump in real quick.
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  Speaker 2: That's neither here nor there. You sated them favorite shoes.
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  Speaker 2: You're a big shoe guy, like a bunch of different shoes.
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  Speaker 3: Your favorite shoes for me probably just the the Jordan
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  Speaker 3: one low tops that you can you can merge those
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  Speaker 3: with a lot of different uh. You know, you can
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  Speaker 3: wear them with your game day attire, street attire, you
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  Speaker 3: can wear them with suits, you know you can. You
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  Speaker 3: can really get a lot of mileage out of.
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  Speaker 1: Those universal sneakers. It is, yeah, universal sneaker. It is
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  Speaker 1: speaking of sneakers. I think that the glass floor at
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  Speaker 1: the Big twelve.
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  Speaker 3: I had a feeling this. I had a feeling this
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  Speaker 3: topic was going to make its way into this broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: You and I have not had a conversation since they
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  Speaker 1: and I think they did the right thing to pull
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  Speaker 1: it at that time because it was slippery. I just
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  Speaker 1: think that's a matter of getting the right soul onto
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  Speaker 1: those shoes onder that floor. Don't you think they can
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  Speaker 1: figure that out? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And I don't. I wouldn't. I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think you could go shoe necessarily because nowadays, in particular,
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  Speaker 3: you probably had every conceivable pair of shoe that you
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  Speaker 3: could wear on the floor. And yeah, so I again
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I commend the Big Twelve for wanting to
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  Speaker 3: be innovative, and it really on TV. It had some
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  Speaker 3: really cool features and the ability to change the graphics
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  Speaker 3: real time and shot tracker and when you made a three,
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  Speaker 3: it lit up or you got a dunk. But I
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  Speaker 3: also give them a lot of credit for quickly pivoting
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  Speaker 3: and uh, you know, receiving the feedback from coaches and
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  Speaker 3: players that maybe this wasn't the best time to introduce it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. So see. My point is, though,
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  Speaker 1: I think that the manufacturers, whether it be Nike, they
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  Speaker 1: will come out like you know, there's in cooking, like
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  Speaker 1: you have certain you have certain pans that you can use.
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  Speaker 1: In induction you can have you can't use it. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't in same thing. I think these will be like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you can use these sneakers on glass floors. They'll come
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  Speaker 1: out with their own thing. It'll be a whole separate
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  Speaker 1: type of thing that's a glass floor. Shit, it's the
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  Speaker 1: same shoe.
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  Speaker 2: It will be done fast. We're gonna be playing on
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  Speaker 2: a glass floor here real quick, and there won't be
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  Speaker 2: any slippage issues, and it'll.
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  Speaker 3: Be they've used you know, in in the defense of
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  Speaker 3: the league. I mean, they've used those courts in very
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  Speaker 3: high level European basketball, like I've I've kind of mentioned
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  Speaker 3: in impressed conferences. In my opinion, the tiers of leagues
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  Speaker 3: kind of go the NBA, the euro League, and then
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  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve and they they they have played euro
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  Speaker 3: League games on a.
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  Speaker 2: Glass freeze us SO and NBA events.
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  Speaker 3: And anything else. You know. Now, I'm sure when you're
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  Speaker 3: dealing with something like that, there's probably a lot of
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  Speaker 3: factors that influence the surface, whether it's humidity, weather, how
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  Speaker 3: how much traffic do you have on the floor. They
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  Speaker 3: probably weren't playing eight games a day on the floor
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  Speaker 3: in the euro League if you think about it. So
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  Speaker 3: it's I'm sure it's something that the company can figure out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's coming and it's cool. Kirtchebll is bummed out
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  Speaker 2: by it.
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  Speaker 1: But he's over there Freddie front frowning a problem.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's gaudy, and I think
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  Speaker 4: it's tacky, and I think it actually detracts from the game. Fine,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you you make a free throw and you
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  Speaker 4: have some arrows to go, like zip zip, Like really,
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  Speaker 4: is that is that necessary?
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  Speaker 3: It's hop he wants to make sure everyone stays off
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  Speaker 3: his lawn too.
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  Speaker 1: Ross. Let me just tell you some we could, We could.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna unload on him right now.
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  Speaker 1: We were just gonna let it go. We're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: let it go.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're he was the same guy, but you're
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna be phased out of that opinion here pretty soon.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be phased out. I'm gonna be phased out
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  Speaker 4: anyway pretty soon.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, he was the same guy that were yelling.
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  Speaker 1: He was yelling at Orville and the Wright brothers. That
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  Speaker 1: thing is not gonna fly.
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  Speaker 3: Get it off the hill.
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  Speaker 1: Just get that thing off the one.
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  Speaker 3: Thing that go ahead, I will say, like like, and
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  Speaker 3: I just mentioned it being a traditionalist with the uniforms. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you in a lot of ways. Now,
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  Speaker 3: change is inevitable, and change comes and lots of lots
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  Speaker 3: of different you know. But I am a again about
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  Speaker 3: his old school of a new school. Guys, you can
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  Speaker 3: get and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: With the possibilities that exist there though, you do a
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  Speaker 2: throwback night where in Jerry West uniforms and you make
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  Speaker 2: the floor look like it did back in that era.
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  Speaker 2: You do a cold rush night wearing black uniforms, and
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  Speaker 2: suddenly your court reflects that you do a gold rush
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  Speaker 2: night and the floor the the opportunit unities and the
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  Speaker 2: possibilities or.
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  Speaker 4: Just I just want to understand, and I understand we're
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  Speaker 4: going to that direction. I just want to say. One
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  Speaker 4: thing we can move on is that before the tournament,
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  Speaker 4: you guys were orgasmic about this, about this floor card,
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  Speaker 4: and I was expressing some concern about it, and halfway
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  Speaker 4: through the tournament they pulled the plug.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit on the thing, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more than so.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, that's all right, move on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Hoppy, you're not gonna do your normal obvious
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  Speaker 1: observations that we normally start to shore with, but you've
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  Speaker 1: created a new series of obvious observations for Ross. I understand,
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  Speaker 1: correct statement. Okay, go ahead, Oh you want to do
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  Speaker 1: that now? Okay, this is obviously okay. Wanting to play
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: playing the song? You ever heard the song?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a frequent I'm a frequent watcher and listener.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: Of the three guys podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Are you really during the season, Yes, really, he's got the.
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  Speaker 3: Talking to you every day every day bomb ready.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, this is a great song. Obvious it is
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  Speaker 1: V two. Okay, first time you've ever done this.
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  Speaker 4: This is this is obvious true or false for the coach.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so so Ross.
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  Speaker 4: Is involved in Yes, he's interactive, all right, this is
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  Speaker 4: obvious true or false for the coach.
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  Speaker 3: Number one.
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  Speaker 4: Ross Hodge will be the coach of the Mountaineer basketball
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  Speaker 4: team next season.
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  Speaker 3: True.
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  Speaker 1: He snickered it. He snickered at you. Hey, just because
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  Speaker 1: they've had four coaches in four years, don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: got to ask that question.
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  Speaker 4: Well, coach, we got a little PTSD because you know,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you're in you're in a house, like we're
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: gonna put your house up for rent because it's the
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  Speaker 4: next guy. Anyway, Okay, number two. Had Jackson Field's not
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  Speaker 4: gotten hurt, the Mountaineers one would have won at least
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  Speaker 4: two more games. True, Okay, three more games. Okay, I'll
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  Speaker 4: stick with you want too.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: In the first round game against Stanford, the Mountaineers will
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  Speaker 4: hold Stanford stand out freshman Abuka Okori to below his
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  Speaker 4: season average twenty three points.
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  Speaker 1: On behalf of unbehalf of coach his representative. Guess what
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  Speaker 1: what West Virginia people aren't the only people that watch
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  Speaker 1: this all they got to do over at Stanford right now,
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  Speaker 1: have a fine young student assistant over there pull this
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  Speaker 1: out and then put it onto their billboard with an
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  Speaker 1: answer and use.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he's a really talented.
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  Speaker 3: I will say. I will say, you know, more important
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  Speaker 3: than like the just the point total. And I've mentioned
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  Speaker 3: this before, like because great players have a way of
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  Speaker 3: getting to their averages. And what you just got to
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  Speaker 3: try to do is what, like any of those guys,
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  Speaker 3: you just want to make them work for it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you want to try to You want to try to
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  Speaker 3: make him as inefficient as you can possibly possibly make it.
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  Speaker 4: Will allow that, That's fine, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: The Mountaineer players are well aware of the payouts available
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  Speaker 4: in this Crown Tournament.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're aware that there's the potential for that,
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  Speaker 3: specifics and how and when, all that detail. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they're aware of no.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, And I got a question for you later on
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  Speaker 4: that Athletics director Rin Baker, a former basketball coach himself,
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  Speaker 4: has never tried to give you coaching advice.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a seconds, K, you're talking about x's and o's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not talking about like drawing up a baseline
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  Speaker 2: out of bounds play.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about x's.
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  Speaker 3: And o's true. Never, right, said he never, He's no,
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  Speaker 3: he hasn't ever brought like a suggestion.
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  Speaker 1: Like the whiteboard in and President Nixon sent plays to Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Remember that he sent plays to Daryl Royal.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a true true.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Paul, is there for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to I wanted some clarification speciaically, what you meant,
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  Speaker 3: all right? Uh, this couple more you get over tor
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  Speaker 3: or false? You get over loss is faster than your
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  Speaker 3: wife Shelley. True.
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  Speaker 4: There will be at least nine new players on next
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  Speaker 4: year's team. Tru or false.
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  Speaker 3: To be determined.
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  Speaker 2: Good answer, Okay, too early, too early to.
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  Speaker 4: Know that final. The phrase you said most often to
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  Speaker 4: all your players this season was dude, come on, honor.
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  Speaker 1: False?
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  Speaker 4: False, that's false, said false.
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  Speaker 1: I think if you want to rephrase that, i'd say
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  Speaker 1: the word that you used most often with your team
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  Speaker 1: this year was dude. I think that would probably be
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  Speaker 1: a true. You know you start with dude. Yeah, that's
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: when you get ready to go.
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  Speaker 4: We had honored the other day, we were talking to
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  Speaker 4: Honor and we said, what does coach say when he's
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  Speaker 4: really getting after He says, dude, come on, Honor, which
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  Speaker 4: I thought was cool because that implies that suggest strongly
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  Speaker 4: he knows what he should be doing, and you know
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  Speaker 4: that he knows, he just didn't do it fair.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's what I have. Those are my true false questions.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you coach for being a good sport.
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  Speaker 1: That was really good. You did pretty well because he
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: normally has to in his years dealing with sticky politicians
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  Speaker 1: that try to swirm and squirm out of questions.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought I was and I and the question
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  Speaker 3: about Shelley was set in jest. I think Shelley may
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: get over our wins. The losses, Yeah, the losses. She
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: may get over the losses, you know, she may not.
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  Speaker 3: Fully she knows we lost, you know, and a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times Shelley doesn't come from a huge athletic background.
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  Speaker 3: It's a ying and a yang which is really you know, awesome.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously she's directly tied to our success. So she
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  Speaker 3: does feel the sting of win losses. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: she spends a lot more time in the stands, holding
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  Speaker 3: the infant children of our staff and really dissecting what
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  Speaker 3: just happened with the Mountaineers win or loss.
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  Speaker 1: She's not coming home asking what widing ice the high
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  Speaker 1: ball screen.
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  Speaker 3: No, so she moves on pretty quick. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: never really move on completely. No losses stick with you forever.
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  Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, Okay, one question, you know what, what's the
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: one or two losses this year that really is at
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: the top of your top of your list.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: There's a few of them. I mean, the obvious answers
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: are the Clemson in the Ohio State losses in the
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: non league, particularly because you played so well for such
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: long stretches of those games, and obviously those both those
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: guys made it of the NCAA Tournament, and so just
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: not being able to get those games all the way
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: to the finish line. Those will stick with you forever.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: The they'll stick with you in different ways for different reasons.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: The wake Forest one will stick with me for a
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: long time because it was the first time we had
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: played down in Charleston in a while, and it was
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: such a great crowd, and you knew how important that
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: was to the people of southern West Virginia, so you
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: want to deliver in those moments, so you know you'll
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: remember that one, and you know, just the two the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: two easy ones to point two in the conference play
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: where you know, the home loss to Utah and the
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: road lost to Kansas State and you just you you
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: those were still stick with you. So all of them
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: pretty much, but for different reasons.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Different and I mean sometimes you won't play as well
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: as you should and sometimes.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: The other but still whatever, for whatever reasons, whether it's
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: you know, you get little reminders all the time, but
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: there's still losses when I was at you your college coach,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: that like, for whatever reason, will just pop into my
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: mind and you just you don't, you don't, you don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: forget them. You learn from them. Yeah. Sure, and you
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: know there's been some really good that has I know
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: it sounds crazy to say, but there's been some good
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: through tough losses throughout your career that that that leads
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: to success later on.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that even happened within this season? So
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you take the Clemson in the Ohio State losses where
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: you mentioned you led for thirty seven thirty eight minutes
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of the game but didn't get the win. Don't you
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: think that came back in either a lesson or just
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: an understanding is the ability to come from behind so
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: often and pull some games out. Don't you think that
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: came back to you?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Just get you get more comfortable as a as
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a group and making the plays necessary when the time
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: comes to make the play, you know, whether it's a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: stop or rebound or a basket. And we got significantly
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: better in close games as the season, you know, went on,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and you know, outside of probably three or four games,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: you really gave yourself a chance to win just about
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: every night that we played.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't think you were ready, unfortunately at
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: those moments to win those games. Just it just wasn't
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: totally dialed in yet that final pieces, and and it
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: progressed as the season went on.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: But isn't it the margin of airman is so thin?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I mean that that may be true. I mean, the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: dude from Clemson misses one of two, maybe he made
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: what three threes coming into that game, he makes two
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: on two possessions. Question one of those falls out. We're
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: not only winning that game, I can tend we're in
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the nca tournament. I mean, that's we're talking about a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: razor thin margin in games and seasons.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And I think it's it's uh, you know, it's it's
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: fun to do. And obviously, you know, we all do it,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and I do it, and you guys do it, and
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: like I say, you can you can overanalyze, and you
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: can probably over think certain things at time, and storylines
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: and narratives follow games, you know, and and I say
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it all the time. And obviously, you guys know how
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: much I respect Jasper, so I use him as an
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: example because I know he can probably handle it the most.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: But you know, Jasper has a pretty clean look against
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Clemson in the corner and he doesn't make it, and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: you lose, and Jasper makes, you know, three threes in
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the last couple of minutes on the road against a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: very good Central Florida team and you win. It's not
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: always that simple, but sometimes it is that simple.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And there's not a larger narrative attached to that. It
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: just simply shot win in what didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Go over, you know, And it's it's hard to even
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it's hard to even fight that as a coach, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: because obviously you're going to take the accountability and the
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: ownership and do your job and try to, you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: look at every decision you made and every sub and
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: lineup combination and did you call the right play and
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: did you not call the right play? And we certainly
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: do that and I do that. But on the other
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: end of that, you know, yeah, it comes sometimes it
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: can be. It can be that simple.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Or Trason hits a turnaround three from in front of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the bench, that that one falls and it may tip
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the scales the other direction. Right, that's the thin margin
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: of era we're talking about.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we we kind of forget those big plays
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  Speaker 3: Man, that's a good question. And you're in this weird combination.
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  Speaker 3: as you could, so you you learned little things, you
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: know like that. But again, being able to have people
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  Speaker 3: that I was close to in the league, being where
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  Speaker 3: I grew up and watching it, nothing really like surprised
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: me when you know, it wasn't surprised at anything, honestly,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: just as far as that, I mean, my expectations were
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  Speaker 3: were met again. Great coaches, great players, great venues, gnarly travel,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: nights off, no nights off. You know, every every team,
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  Speaker 3: in the country with real players and really good coaches
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• 25:15
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  Speaker 3: amongst the really really top teams, some of the teams
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  Speaker 3: that are still playing, man, there was just not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of separation between you know, five to sixteen on a.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Night you made a statement there about, you know, great
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: coaches in this league and there are so take us
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: in from a coaches perspective, when you're coaching against great coaches.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And this is not to indict any of the coaches
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that you've played in past leagues, but like what changes
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: when you're going against really good coaches night in and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: night out? Like what are what is it in Layman's terms,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that they're doing that make you say, as a coach,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: like this person's really good.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've spent my whole life coaching against really
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: good coaches. And like you said, you may not know
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  Speaker 3: the names. You know Scott Gernander, who's a Hall of
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  Speaker 3: fame coach, at Sam Jack, you know Lewis or at Navarro,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Pat Smith, you know Steve Green. These are these are
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: like hall of fame junior college coaches, and what they
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: do is very similar to what the best coaches in
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: the college game do without the without the fanfare and
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: the you know, the all the fun stuff that comes
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: along with it. But you know, they they have an identity,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: they stick to the identity. They demand their teams play
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  Speaker 3: with max effort, and then ultimately they don't beat themselves,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: you know. And and you can do that a lot
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: of different ways. Some guys do it with pressing, some
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: guys do it, you know, with very aggressive defenses, very
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: passive defenses. But there's still a belief that they have
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the ability to project into their locker room that this
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: is how we're gonna win games. And oh, by the way,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the best play. The best coaches typically have the best players.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Key point. Yeah, it's true.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: That's that is a strong that's a strong little mix
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: when you put a great coach and great players, right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, you know, and I've mentioned it
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: after our games, you know, like you're always a better coach.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: You're always a better coach. If the ball goes in
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the basket, like we mentioned, it can be the same shot,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: could be the same shot from the same player in
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: the same location. He misses it, you're fairly criticized because
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that's why you sit in the chair you do and
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: you know, oh this that and the same player in
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the same spot and the same can make it and
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden you're a genius. In reality,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: you're probably neither.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, go ahead.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Brad did a really good job a couple of weeks
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: ago of breaking down your offense, and we had pictures
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: and he did a really excellent job with that. One
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: of the criticisms that was directed your way by some
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: fans was the shot clock is winding down, the guy's dribbling,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: what's going There's nothing going on. Take a minute and
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: explain in layman's terms with some ex's knows what you're
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: trying to do offensively, because fans get impatient, you know that,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: like what's going on? So just explain it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think any criticism is fair when
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you lose, right, and Coach Kellogg and them just had
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: an incredible season, you know what they did and to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: see Hope Coliseum, what they did was like awesome. They
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: won the Big twelveth semi final forty eight to forty seven.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody is complaining about en route to
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: winning the Big twelve tournament championship, you only scored forty
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: eight points. So kind of to my previous point, you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: no one complains about Houston. They're still playing. They're in
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: the Sweet sixteen, right, they play maybe half a possession
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: faster than we play like point four, Yeah, not even
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a full possession faster. But no one's going to say
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: to Kelvin Sampson and I do again, I have the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: emotional intelligence. I don't take it personal, like I think
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: we can get to the place where we can beat
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Kelvin Sampson. And We've beat some really good coaches and
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: really good teams I've done in my whole career. But
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I'm Ross Hodge and he's Kelvin Sampson, so there's probably
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: going to be more questions surrounding why, but no one's
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: going to ask him. They're playing tonight, I believe in
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the Sweet sixteen. Do you think anybody's asking him?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: But I'm not. But I'm not.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I understand, I know you know what. I'm just. I
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: know you're just You're just I'm not I'm not being
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: defensive and I'm not I'm just you're putting I'm putting it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: When you don't win enough games, then criticism comes, which
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: is fair and it's fair to ask why. And but
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: on the other side of that, like no one complains
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: about winning. Typically, unless you win so much, then people
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: still find way it may people there may be people
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: that complain whether you win or not. You know, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: with our personnel this year, okay, and it may not
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: be that way every year. Because you're you're doing, You're
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: gonna put your team in the best position that that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: team can do to win games. So Jasper's not Jasper
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: has many qualities that we've talked about that are strengths.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say speed is one of those. Harlan has
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: many strengths. I wouldn't say speed is one of those. Tracing,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: so by nature, you're you're not going to probably want
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: to get into a up and down running game with
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: the way that you're constructed. And then all offense, in
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: my opinion, is where does your leverage come from? How
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: do you leverage a defense? You will watch the games tonight,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: everybody will when you watch it. If you have an
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: elite guard, people will put two on him and that
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: triggers the next chain of events. If you have a
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: post player, I use them as an example like when JT.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Toppin was healthy, well Tech could dribble down the floor,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: pass it to no one throw the ball to JT. Topping,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and you either had to double team him. If you didn't,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: it was probably a basket. If you sent a double team,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: it was probably a wide open three. So you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: how quickly can you get to that depends on your personnel.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: You know, with this particular team, we weren't efficient enough.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: You know, at the end of our style, like last year,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: our defense has always gotten a lot of headlines, and rightfully,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: so you know, we've had an elite defense. We had
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: a very very good defense this year in the league
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and then nationally still a top twenty five seventeen in
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: adjusted efficiency and probably top ten scoring defense.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So here you're taking all the spreadzone staff segment here.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: But but our offense, we didn't shoot a high enough percentage.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: So like even like last year, and I don't even
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: like talking, it doesn't even matter, but you know, we
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: had the second best defense in the America, we had
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the second best offense. And so what we're trying to
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: do is how quickly can you leverage a defense, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: and sometimes that takes a little longer to get the
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: mismatch that you want to then make the double team
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: come or if it's not the double team come then
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: you you score, and you know, now everything else in
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: between again, you know, naturally our pace will pick up
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: next year with Miles Saddler because he is a he's
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: your quarterback and he's faster. So the tempo, like even
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: this year, you saw when a mirror came in the game,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the tempo and the pace when you came in with
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: a mere chance in DJ, it's going to pick up
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a little quicker.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: It was fascinating, and I mean Brad's territory when Bread
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: pointed out where like, what's Jasper doing just dribbling? What's
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: he doing just dribbling?
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: What's true?
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Chuck Clucker is wanting to but but you know, agatting
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: breaking down the defense and if he draws a double team,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: there's an open guy. Yeah, And that was so there
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: was a method to the madness. And everybody's getting patient,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: but you're you're trying to break down the defense.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I mean the games, the games we won, you know
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: in league, I'd have to double check it, but I
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: think I looked at him and we were we were
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: incredibly efficient, you know, I mean way up there in
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: points per possession.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Probably one two and one three and a lot of.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Those, you know, and and uh, if you combine those games,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: you know, that's probably why you won those games. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: then when you weren't as efficient as you wanted to
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: be regardless of the tempo, Uh you you you didn't
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: convert enough of those and a lot of those times
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: we still in some ways got the looks that we wanted,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: you know. So it's a good question. And like I said,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: it's a fair Questian. I wasn't trying to be you know, defensive.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I know that I know that at all.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: But I just wanted to get into this for you
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: as the coach, to explain the strategy because a lot
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: of folks just look at it and go, the chalk
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Hawk's running down the guys wriggling, and but that there's
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a reason for that, I mean it's not.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: There is and they again a lot of it. It is, Uh,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: you're you're you're trying to give your team that you're
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: coaching because you're coaching your team. You're not coaching other
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: people's teams. You're trying to coach your team, and you're
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: trying to give your team the best chance that that
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: team has to win that game. I think that's a
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: coach's responsibility, you know, and and in particular you know
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: you can't just you're not going to be able to say, well,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: this is what we're going to do, and if it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: round pieces and square pegs, we're going to force the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: issue and we're just going to do this, by golly,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: because it's what we do. You can get yourself in
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit of trouble in my opinion.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Well, let's continue this for a second because I've got
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I've got some things.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: You want to do now.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: This is this was included, but I've got some other things.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So let's just do this now because it just came up.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And I think this is important to talk about when
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you talk about trying to fit in what you're doing
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: with what your personnel looks like. So let's talk about Jasper.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And you're right footspeed's not his thing, so you're not
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: going to try and push and get this game into
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: seventy possessions. But what does Jasper do? Well, he's strong,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: he can work one on one, and he's difficult to
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: guard in those situations. So hop as you're backing Jasper
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Floyd down in there and you're waiting what happens, What happens.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: What's the defense doing? And nobody comes? All right, you
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: got a strong dude in there, like you got a
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: man that can turn around and go over people and score.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: To that end, Jasper finishes the Big Twelve season as
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: sixth in this league, sixth in the league in two
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: point field goal percentage, sixth. There is multiple lottery picks
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: in this league and some bigs, and your point guard
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: is sixth in the league in two point field goal percentage.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: So what do you want to do? You want to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: put him in a position where he can make some twos.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: That's in the lane. Let's go further. He was eighth
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve in effective field goal percentage, which
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: takes into account threes gives them greater weight because of
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the extra value you get. So not only is he
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: making twos, he's still way up there when it takes
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: into account when he takes threes. All right, now, what's
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the other part of that hobby? You back down and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the double team comes. What has just happened? There's somebody open?
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Really, is that right? So you go to Jasper Floyd,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: who finished nineteenth in this league. Best League in America
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: finishes nineteenth in the sistraight. So you've got a point
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: guard now that is strong, can score on his own
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: in the lane, is an effective passer and finishes it too.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: So why wouldn't you want to put him in a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: position where he can finish it too or pass it out.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So I think there's some numbers to back up the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: theory with stuff you already know obviously you're coaching them.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: But that backs up a guy in Jasper Floyd who
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: instead of focusing on what he doesn't bring to the table,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: look at those things he does bring. And we haven't
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: got into defense. I'm getting into defense in a minute.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: But offensively, that kind of backs up what Ross is saying,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: what does he do well? Let's put him in a
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: position to do well. And you try and replicate that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: with all seven or eight guys that are playing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again you know offense is again you're trying
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: to get two people on the ball. How can you
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: get two people on the ball two defenders too defenders
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: offensively or how do you get the ball to one
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: person If they choose to guard one person, they can't
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: guard them. And it comes from a lot of different
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: ways and different different avenues. And again that's you know
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: when you say, like, well, why okay, Like if Jasper
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: has a small guard on him, since we're just talking Jasper,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: you know, he's probably not going to be able to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: come down the floor, make one move and beat a
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: smaller defender off the bounce. That's probably not going to happen.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: But you can get him down on the block, as
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Brad pointed out, and he can either score on the
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: smaller defender or now a bigger defender or someone has
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to double team him. And now you're kicking the ball
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: out to honor tray some of your better three points.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the big comes.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Over and drop it down. And so it may not
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: always be the most aesthetically pleasing, you know, way to play,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: but I felt like it was. It gave us our
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: best chance with this particular group. And again I think
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: that's a coach's primarily primary responsibility is this is your team.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: How can you put your team in the best chance?
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: So real quick question we'll move on, is that did
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: you when you got this group together, did you say
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: and you talk about square peg you knowle was that
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: what you wanted to do? Or you had to like,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: well I see what I got here? So I really
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: got a tweak. I mean, you have a philosophy, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: you had to tweak according to personnel.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Is that right or not?
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah? And in some ways, yeah, you're always trying to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: figure out what your your team does well. And sometimes
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: that's to your point Tony earlier, that could take a
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: little while to fully understand your team lineup, combinations, roster
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: roster construction, because you can have an idea when you're
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: putting your team together, but then you actually even when
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: that team gets out there and plays with one another,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: you are you're always reevaluating and always searching for ways
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: to be better and get better.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: A lot of that is how teams. You have to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: see how teams are going to start defending you in
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: order to have the counter to how they're going to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: defend you.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked. We talked a lot about that. You know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: like as the year went on, you know, you saw
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: some different ways people were defending you, and then you
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: got to kind of counter. You have to counter that
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: as the year goes on. And it really is on
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: some levels, it's it's more chess than it is just checkers.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Now some people have the capability to just flat out
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: play checkers.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: You know, give it to debonds and see what happens.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: But there's there's a reason and how we went through
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: this on some of those pictures of the last episode
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: when Honor sitting in a corner and Trey sitting in
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: a corner and you've got defenders hugged up on them. Well,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: now suddenly be low is a matchup problem for somebody else.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Hence the reason below finishes with whatever it was twelve
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: out of the final thirteen game and double figures are
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: thirteen straight. That's that's what you're talking about about leverage.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Sometimes Trey might not be making a three at that moment,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: but the defense has to worry about the.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Threat of the three.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: It opens other things.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: That's what he's evaluating.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: A right spreads on stats Now numbers all right, Brad's
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• 41:31
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• 41:32
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• 41:35
  Speaker 1: They hey, what's matter? Hives? All? Yeah, tax Day, like
• 41:38
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• 41:56
  Speaker 3: It was pre income tax.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: But whatever, All right, what do you got?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I have through a bunch of stuff here and you're right,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: season still going, so some of this is season long,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: but not necessarily a wrap up. Defensively overall you mentioned,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I thought it ended up better than just pretty good
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: national rank, points per game allowed ninth in the country,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: team defensive efficiency nationally seventeenth overall national rank, and two
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: point field goal percentage for your opponent eleventh nationally. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a new stat we've talked about it on here, average
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: distance from the rim on a two point field goal attempt.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: So how far out were you able to push the opponent? Twelfth?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Which I thought was really interesting. So let's explain that
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit. You didn't really have a single dominant
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: shot blocker on this year's team, but yet did have
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: We had three players that finished in the top sixteen
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: percent of all players nationally in shot blocking. Though you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: look at those numbers pretty good. You have to be
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: pretty pleased overall defensive efficiency in this league, I would think.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. I thought I thought Harlan's you know,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: transformation defensively was was really impressive as the year went on,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: and he really anchored us with his ability to you know,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: defend and stay in front of the ball and communicate coverages.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I've talked about that before. Those those back line guys,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: they really are your middle linebackers and your free safeties
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: of your defense because everything's in front of them. And
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I thought he got a lot better as as the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: as the year went on, and you know, outside of Honor,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: we we collectively we we were not a small team
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: collectively outside of Honor, right, you know, and so we
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: you know, we got to the point and every team
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: evolves differently with the strengths and weaknesses, but you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: we really got to the point again where we did
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: not let the ball get close to the basket and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: made people miss and really fouled less than any team
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I've ever coached, ironically.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Number one in the league for most of the Big
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Twelve season in that category. So when you look at that, that
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: news tat some stats matter, some don't. They're just fun
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: to talk about. Do you look at that average distance
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: from a two point field goal attempt? And what's that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: tell you as you're evaluating that?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you look at all of it. I mean again,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: it's you know, defensively, offenses, like how do you leverage?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: How do you defensively is how do you keep the
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: ball out of the basket and away from the basket.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: So obviously the further you can keep it away in theory,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: the better. Yeah, and we got pretty good at that.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: And again that's a testament to this group because I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: think if you looked at him on the surface, none
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: of them were outside of Jasper and Bilow, I don't
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: think any of them would you say, like, man, he's
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: an elite defender. But this group really made a lot
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: of strides and they committed to it. And you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: even I've talked about typically the best defensive team in
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve wins the Big Twelve, and it was
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: pretty much chalk. If you look down the line, Arizona
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: had the best defense. They won it. Houston was two.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: The only outlier probably was Cincinnati. I think they were
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: three or four, and we ended up being sixth and
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: you finished seventh. So yeah, really really proud of this
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: group for, you know, turning into the defensive team that
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: they turned into.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little more defense here. I'm going to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: try and explain this stat the best I can, because
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I think this speaks to the development of what you
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: have from a group perspective. So let's take Big twelve's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: net ratings. So the difference in a team performance of
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: players when that player is on or off the court.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: So you take their offensive rating the number of points
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: scored per hundred possessions when they're on the court, the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: defensive ratings the number of points allowed when they're on
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: the court per one hundred possessions. Put them together, you
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: come out with the net rating. I thought this was fascinating.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Of the top five players in this league, and we're
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: talking multiple lottery picks in the Big Twelve, of the
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: top five players in that category, best net rating individual players,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: West Virginia had two of them. Jasper, We've talked a
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: lot about and Trey Eagle Staff and a lot of
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Treys came because of the defensive side. Ye, And I
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: bring that up because that may surprise some folks. Two
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: of the top five, Trey and Jasper. I do think
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: it speaks to a couple things. The development primarily and
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: how quickly you can get a player to do something
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that they weren't ever asked to do before. And a
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: credit to Trey certainly too on the defensive side, who
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: worked his butt off to become what was a really
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: good defender. You ended up putting him on pros later
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: in the season. So let's talk a little bit about that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Just the development of that Jasper we talked on this
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: show all year, one of the best ball defenders in
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: this league, made a massive difference when he was on
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: the floor on the ball. But I thought Trey was
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a surprise there. If you weren't following.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: This closely, Yeah, you know, And when I saw that
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: stat not that I didn't know the impact you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: that Trey had in some areas, but I was I
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: was a little surprised. I'm not gonna lie, and I
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: think I shared that one with you Brad too. And
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and I saw it when when Jefferson got hurt for
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Iowa State, he got hurt on really on the first
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: play of the game. And I'm hoping he'll be able
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: to play to night or play a night or tomorrow
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: whenever they play, because the Big twelve had enough injuries.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But I saw that because they put it out in
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: reference to him, and he was third in the league,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: you know. And and Brad broke it down really well.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: But simply put, it's just how much better are you
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: when these players are on the floor than when they're not.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: And Florie Badinga for Kansas was number one in.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: The league defensive player of the year in the league.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Cameron Carr for Baylor was number two, which is you know,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: and then Jefferson was three, you know, and then Jashper
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: was four and Trey was five, and you know. And
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I shared that with with Trey, you know, and sent him,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: sent him the picture of it. And then under those
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: guys you had Debatsa and you had I mean, you
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: had the rest of those guys, you know. And I
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: sent it to Trey, and you know, under it, I put,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: you know, not bad for a guy that was just
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: known as being a volume scorer, you know, And again
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: it talks about his impact and how much he's grown,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: and ultimately, that's what you want to do. You want
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: to be able to impact winning And would would he
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: have loved to score the ball a little bit more? Obviously?
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Would we have loved him to score the ball a
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: little bit more? Obviously? But then when you look at
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: something like that, and it goes back to Brad's point,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you know, the best players make other people around them better.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: And for him to be, for for Jasper and him
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: to both be in the top five in the league,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: of how much better we were there on the floor,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: it is and it's a testament to them, and it's
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: a testament to his buy in. And again I feel
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: like I've you know, offended Trey a lot throughout this year,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: and I will continue to do that, you know, forever,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: you know. But and again, I know his expectations were
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: so high and we you know, like, but the guy,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: the guy still was a double digit scorer in the
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Big twelve. So let's not act like.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: He was coming into two point one.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: He just you know, like he averaged double figures. Now,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: we just we needed him and he would have liked
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: as well as we all would to maybe have a
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: couple of games back, have a couple of shots back,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: but he really he's he made himself a better player
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: throughout the course of this year. And that was my
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: messaging to him in the recruiting process when he chose
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: to come here and play for West Virginia and could
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: have played for a lot of different people in a
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: lot of different programs, but he wanted to be here
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and represent this state and he got a lot better.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: And that that that is again you know what's the
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: old saying, like, you know, men live, women live, but
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: numbers don't lie. Like that's not someone's opinion, you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: that is data driven. That hey man, Like both those
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: guys impacted winning in a lot of ways.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And it would seem to me that messaging is a
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: couple you use that on the recruiting trail when you
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: talk about how guys can develop in the staff and
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the player have to make them better and you develop
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: one two. I think it speaks well too in a
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: world where you're gonna have a lot of one year guys.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have guys that are gonna come in one
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: year and you have to get them better quickly. I
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: think that speaks pretty well to where we are and
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: how you can pitch that right. You could take a
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: one guy that had not been asked to do that
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: and you turn him into that. So I think that's good.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Moving forward. A couple other things here, just on some numbers,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Chance finishes out a really great year top sixteen percent
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of all college basketball players in five different statistical categories,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: below the same top twenty percent in five different national categories.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: That's over twenty two almost twenty three hundred players. We've
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: talked about it a bunch, but I think it's important
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to say this again. These numbers are ridiculous. Second all
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: time made threes in a single season, one of only
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: three players in West Virginia history to make one hundred
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: or more threes in a season, Top twenty nationally, and
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: three pointers made ninth and three pointers made per game
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: thirtieth all time in the history of college basketball, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: three pointers made and not done. He's going to move
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: up on that list with the Crown because there's only
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: one player above him that is still active at this
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: time of year right now. So whether he makes one
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: or makes ten more, he's going to end better than
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: thirtieth all time and three pointers made. So appreciate what
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Honor game?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Three games?
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll take so far, you know, and and legitimately
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: being the entire focus of a game plan every night,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: every night to stop them, and you know, just just
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: kept playing and kept finding ways to to help us win.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: And you know, again, it's what it's what great players do.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: And did you have success in talking with the in
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: speaking with the officials during the game about Honor being
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: held and pushed and shoved and I mean it's a
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: rough game, we get that, but there was an overt
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: effort by many defenses too.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah well yeah, yeah, I mean just if honestly, I
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: wouldn't say much about it unless unless I felt like
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: maybe we were on the receiving end of something similar
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: on the other end, and it was just it would
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: just be like, look, man, like call it both ways.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: You know, I'd just say, you know, Honor, like you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: our our little guy. You know, it's like he gets
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: held the entire game, and I don't say a word
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: about it. So I'm fine with that if that's what
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: we're gonna do, But don't okay.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: But don't call it on the other end.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: By the way, no technical as you predicted when you
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: were in here. Yeah, good, good job, good job. Okay,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: let's talk about a story that hasn't been talked about.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Emir Jenkins.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: So, Amir Jenkins arrives here almost a year ago and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: he reclassifies could have played as a high school senior.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: But he came in and he had a damaged shoulder
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: and played all year and folks, if they looked really close,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: would have seen it in his jersey. He played with
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: a harness high Yeah, and we knew and you knew
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: that it was going to require surgery now that the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: season's over, but that's been amplified.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Huh. Yeah, he's so Amr won't be able to play
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: with us in the Crown and uh, you know, just again,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: it's kind of one of those stories that you know,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you don't you don't talk much about during the season,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: obviously because you don't want to put a bullseye on
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: it or anything. But when you take a step back,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: and especially the era that that that we're in now,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: and we've talked a lot about it, to have a
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: player like of his caliber, essentially, you know, he played
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: with a torn labram in his left shoulder. Uh, the
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the entire year, and not one time made an excuse
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and you mentioned it if you looked really close, he
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: did have a Essentially it was a harness. I mean,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: it allowed it allowed for his arm to get about
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: this high and it couldn't go any higher. And part
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: of that was to protect it, you know, and and
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: easily could have could have kind of like shut it down,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: but never never complained it, and it did it. It
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: hindered him. It hindered his shooting ability, It hindered his
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: free throw shooting. You can't lift your you can't lift
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: your arms. But you know, he loved his teammates so much,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: and you know, as I mean about his throwback as
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: a player that you could run across in the era
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: of college basketball and kind of what he did and
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: what he gave and you know, yeah, there was games
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: that it would kind of you know, uh get out
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: of it and they'd pop it right back in and
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't even know, you know, and and then you know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: to to probably the craziest part of the story is
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: so we knew about the left shoulder, and and I
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: talked to his parents about this because I wanted to
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: make sure that they were okay that I was okay
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: talking about it, you know. So we knew about the
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: left shoulder. So we're at TCU and he reaches in
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: with his right shoulder and kind of sub flexes it
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: or not. It didn't. It didn't, It didn't dislocate, but
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: just jarred it pretty good, and you know, came over
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: and was a grimace in a little bit, but didn't
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: really make much of it, you know, didn't really bring
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: it up again or didn't even say anything else about it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: And so we knew we were gonna have to get
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: the left one taken care of. Uh So when we
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: got back from we got back from the conference tournament
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: on Thursday Friday, we went ahead and had the MRI
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: just to see what else was going on at the
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: left shoulder, if it had gotten worse or anything. And
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: they were like, hey, why don't we go ahead, and
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: you know, MRI the right shoulder, and sure enough, he
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: had a torn labor him in his right shoulder. So
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: he was playing through two separate laborom injuries on his
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: left shoulder and his right shoulder. Never said a word,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: never complained about it, never used it as an excuse,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: never allowed it to frustrate him to the point of
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: because obviously he wasn't the player that he probably would
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: have liked to be. But he loves to play. He
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: loves to play, so you know, but again medically in
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: the timing of everything, like he'll he is going to
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: have have to have you know, surgeries on both of them,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: you know, and so what that looks like will kind
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: of take the steps as we go, But in a
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: time period where you know, most players are trying to
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: find ways not to play, for him to play through that,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I think says a lot about his character and how
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: much he cares about his team mates.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Other than that, you've got a full roster going to Vegas.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great, Yeah, everybody's back and we well again
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: we got like you said, it was our bowl game,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: so you got to get a little time off and
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: got them all back. And you know, we had some
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: some some nicks and some you know, just like what
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: anything that would take you through an entire year. You
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: had some other guys, you know, playing through minor things,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: but nothing that should keep anybody else from playing. But
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Amiria is back. He is he is here, and he's
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: going to be with us this week and then he'll
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: have the surgery next week.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Coach on the Crown, and look, the NCAA tournament's the
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: gold standard. We get that, But the Crown is a
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: fascinating tournament because you win the first round fifty thousand dollars,
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: you win the semifinals one hundred thousand dollars, you win
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: the championship three hundred thousand dollars. My understanding is that
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: is all in I own money directed to the players,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: So financially, it's better for the players to be in
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: the round in the n C Double A tournament. Is
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: that Is that fair to say? Or do you have
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: a different take? And also my understanding is you could
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: speak to this is the Crown and it's inn I
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: old partners are the ones who decide who gets the
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: money and how much? Or can you shed some light.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: On all that? Yeah, I don't I don't think to
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: first to the first part of your uh, the first
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: part of your statement, I don't think any player would
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: trade the n C Double A tournament experience, even for money. Okay,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: I really, I really don't you know think that now
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: we out we live in a time period where you know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: they may not need it, so you know, I mean
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: ten years ago, if you.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Would be something, you know, but.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Now they're kind of I don't know, like I don't know,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: I don't but no, honestly, I think I think they
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: would trade the NCAA Tournament for sure, you know. And
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: uh and that's the ultimate measure, and you know, just
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: to to kind of provide a little more transparency on
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: the Crown and maybe why the Crown and maybe not
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: the n I t Obviously, the Big Twelve has a
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: tremendous partnership with Fox, and Fox has the broadcast rights
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: to the Crown, and so when they put it together.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: You know, so if you the two two highest teams
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: left that didn't make the NULA Tournament, you you are
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: contractually obligated to go to the Crown. And so if anybody,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: like if any Mountaineer fans are out there wondering, like, well,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: why the Crown, why not the n I T or
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: you know, that's ultimately why. And I don't say that
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: with the negative connotation surrounding that. I mean, we're thankful
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: to be playing. Like I said, it's a it's a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: another opportunity for these guys to put on a West
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Virginia uniform and go compete, which they love to do
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: and they love being around each other in a unique
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: environment and a kind of cool deal. So you know,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: but if anybody was wondering out there just like, well,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: why did they choose the Crown or did they just
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: choose the Crown because of the NIO opportunity? You know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: actually the Crown shows us and we're thankful for this.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Speaking of money, this one was quiet, but it's true.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: The fact that you finished seventh in the league gets
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: a million dollars to West Virginia two years from now
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: because Fox you mentioned they also have the Players Era.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Are you going to play in the Players Era next
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: year because of a top eight finish a year ago
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: and now you did it again, So the twenty seven season,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: West Virginia will go back and that's a million dollars
• 1:00:51
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• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah really, you know, yeah, and thankful to again, you know,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: was very thankful, you know, to be in the position
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: for what you know, Coach de reason those guys did
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: the year before getting into the top eight. That's what
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: allowed us to be in the Player's Era next year
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: because it's a it's a one year out deal. And
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: then to Tony's point to finish seventh, you know, and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: then that gets us in the following year, which brings in,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: you know, a million dollars each year, and you get
• 1:01:21
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• 1:01:25
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  Speaker 1: of what's about to have up in here when the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: portal opens, how do you feel that you are positioned
• 1:03:06
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• 1:03:13
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• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I like you know, I think we're probably I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: want to say maybe yesterday was kind of like maybe
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: not the specific date, but the timing of it. I
• 1:03:28
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• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: to the date, but to the day. I remember the
• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: you got to think up until that point, and we've
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: talked about how quickly all that happened. So up until
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: that point last year, everything you were planning for, everything
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: you were recruiting for, everything you were thinking about portal wise,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: was all geared towards where you were. And now this
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: year the vice versa. You know, everything that you've been doing,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: it's all directed towards being at West Virginia. So that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: alone puts you ahead, you know, And now does that
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: does that mean that just because one plus one equals,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: does that mean that you know? Because I again I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: thought our staff and our players we did a very
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: good job of putting a team competitively that could compete,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: could could compete to be an NCABA tournament team and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: win games in the instab A tournament. And we had
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to do that, and sometimes we took advantage
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: of it. A couple of times we came up short,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: but we put ourselves in position to do that. So
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: I don't want to minimize what this team has been
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: able to do at all. We came up a little
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: short of ultimately doing what we wanted to do, but
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: we still got some things left to do. And then,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: to answer the other party question, in no way, shape
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: or form, our salaries coming down.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: They're not even stabilizing.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: No, they're just still going up there. Yeah, it's it's increasing,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: and I think I saw something out there that may
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: be up thirty five percent.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: So up thirty five.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: They've tried to obviously with the house settlement, and they've
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: tried to put some guardrails in place, but schools.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Are running right through it.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Not a lot seems to be.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Super general terms in your opinion? In Power four? Is
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: it fair to say generalize now that the starting lineups
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: from each of those schools in the Power four, the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: five starters will on average minimum will be a million
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: dollars for a starter end ups across the board.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Minimum.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: That's minimum. Well minimum, Okay, So here's a deal. Dude.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: If I'm a college player and I'm a border NBA guy,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: but I'm probably a g league, or I'm going overseas,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: why would I ever leave college?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's why you've that's seen that on
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: some level on some coming back. The chaos, the chaos
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: surrounding college athletics is because of the movement and the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: portal and all that stuff like has probably overshadowed the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: amount of talent that's been able to be on college
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: basketball floors at this time. Yes, because of what you
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: just said, you know, you know again, I don't keep
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: using him as a reference because it's just top of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: the mind. But you know, you wouldn't have seen probably
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: a JT top and be the Big twelve Player of
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: the year in any other time period. He probably goes
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: to the NBA, but because of what they were able
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: to do, he stays. And even to the point where
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: you have some you know, we talked about Cameron Carler,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: who will be out in the Crown with Baylor. He's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: probably a a for sure first round draft pick that
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: you could see in a college uniform again next year.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Well ten years ago that just wasn't exactly very rare.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: You would still have some guys that would, but you're
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: seeing it more because of what you said, you have
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: you have a chance to make more money in college.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Than doing that.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Crazy that all of the chaos that we talk about
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: in this circulating has maybe made the product itself on
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the floor better, elevated the product in some way, even
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: though off the courts a circus.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: It stinks for the fan bases, yeah more than anybody.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: That's that's who it stinks for the most.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: You know, it does. But our attention span is so
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: short mount new fans, and we watch a little more closely,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: maybe got to see this team. Yeah, And this was
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: a fun team to watch. This was an easy This
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: team brought a lot of joy. This was this was
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: an easy team to like. So you have to be
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: you know, things change, you can't go back to the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: way it was, but you have to be thankful that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: you had a jasper and an honor and those guys,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, they were just a joy yea.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: And I would hope, like you said, you hope you
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: would you would see that, and then you would hope
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: that they would that we could all appreciate how this
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: team never quit, whether it was looking really really bad
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: in a game, you know, Like I mean, I'm sure
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: there were some people that cut the TV off and
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: then woke up the next morning and said, oh they
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: they won, you know, and or you know, being able
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: to scrape themselves off a mat after a devastating loss
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: and do it with humility and dignity and pride. And
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I think you know, that's something that you know, this
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  Speaker 3: state and the people of West Virginia can identify and appreciate, and.
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  Speaker 4: They represented the state too.
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  Speaker 3: Things can be true at once, you know. And I
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  Speaker 3: know we live in a world where everybody wants to
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  Speaker 3: make everything binary like this or this, but true things
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  Speaker 3: can be true at once. We can be disappointed that
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  Speaker 3: we didn't get to exactly where we wanted to go,
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  Speaker 3: and at the same time be very appreciative for these
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  Speaker 3: players a choosing to come be members of our basketball program,
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  Speaker 3: understanding what that means. When you come to be an
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  Speaker 3: athlete at West Virginia, you don't just represent a program
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  Speaker 3: or a university, you represent a state. And then the
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  Speaker 3: way they did it and how they did it as people,
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  Speaker 3: and again they they gave us just about everything they
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  Speaker 3: had on every single night, and more often than not
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  Speaker 3: it was enough, and then sometimes it wasn't enough. And
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  Speaker 3: then when it wasn't enough, they didn't blame. They didn't
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  Speaker 3: point fingers. They stood in front of you, whether it
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  Speaker 3: was at the podium or in public, and they owned
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  Speaker 3: it and they tried to get better. And I think
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  Speaker 3: they've laid a good foundation for where this thing can
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  Speaker 3: go on the future. And I'm forever grateful for them.
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  Speaker 3: I've mentioned this. They got to be a part of
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  Speaker 3: some really cool first for me that I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 3: I'll never forget that Pick game.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I could be in a nursing home with Alzheimer's and
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  Speaker 3: I'll remember that game, you know. I mean, I even
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  Speaker 3: know who my name is, but I will remember that night.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you'll remember, you know, the Kansas game, your
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  Speaker 3: first one in the Big twelve, and you're just you.
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  Speaker 3: You won't. You won't forget those. I won't forget those.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm really forever grateful for these group of guys
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  Speaker 3: and appreciate what they've done and you know, and handled
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  Speaker 3: the highs and the lows with a lot of a
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  Speaker 3: lot of grace.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a good news, man, not done yet.
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  Speaker 3: Not done yet.
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  Speaker 1: You could get three, dude. You could end this thing
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  Speaker 1: with a championship. You could walk off the floor your
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  Speaker 1: last game of the season with a win, which what
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  Speaker 1: the n i T the NCAA, so you could like
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  Speaker 1: three teams out with I shared our I shared it
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  Speaker 1: with our team.
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  Speaker 3: I've actually been able to in the Lace the last
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  Speaker 3: game of the year twice, and I got beat in
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  Speaker 3: the National Championship game in junior college we got beat
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  Speaker 3: by the College of Southern Idaho. But you know, our
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  Speaker 3: first year at North Texas, we won the CBI and
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  Speaker 3: it was actually against coach Smith, who's the head coach
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  Speaker 3: at Stanford. Now at that point in time, you played
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  Speaker 3: a three game series, which was really cool. But you
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  Speaker 3: won the last game of the year and you cut
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  Speaker 3: down a net and it was a really cool experience.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care sure what you say or anyone thinks
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  Speaker 3: of it. It's cool. We were able to do it
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  Speaker 3: in the n i T, you know, and hopefully you
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  Speaker 3: can do it with the Crown. And it's anytime you
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  Speaker 3: can win the last I mean, think about how few
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  Speaker 3: times you actually get to win the last game of
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  Speaker 3: the year and how few people ever get to fill that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, bowl games are important. We believe that here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, bowl games if.
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  Speaker 3: You're playing, if you're playing a game, you want to
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  Speaker 3: win it. The car, Domino's video games, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: If you're doing something I didn't and they're keeping a score.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realize you had played a coached against
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  Speaker 1: coach Smith before. Yeah, well, this will be interesting. This
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