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Barely Live #62 - Summering w The Drakes · Barely Live

• Just not even we're talking about remember when we've done sounds earlier and you hear it's like it sounds like it's in a hallway or something. Any way, one two three lies not so top fall that job they have funds, no houses down that fun job, bass off down Lively, live by says a side shackly out to set inside that lies by live so nice belly lies really lies, says lived exactly twenty year old Mike pick right now, it's just a swing and just not my fucking jobsjop one downy say chapter five second really love Hey guys, hanger not a bad lyrics ors of me so nicely. Oh there's a breakdown. It's all fast fishing and cold beers and we do we do we throw thrive it. Yeah, you might as well pay the whole thing. Yeah one time, right, I mean yeah, that's make everybody as uncomfortable as possible. So good live one more time like docking left top let's go. Oh no that was on perp. Can't wake up the table. That drummer is amazing. I love the break now little tempi change well heavy dry dude, I told you bet Meddler's early stuff. It's so good. It's worth checking out. It's worth going back to. That's the wind beneath my motherfucking wings. Oh boy, there you go. We've gotta talk about some AI music. Let's get that turtle box studio going here. Yeah, all right, there you go. Sound better. So we had we had a little band do some stuff for us, and you're gonna hear all their renditions. I do have one about Richard Kso, but haven't finished doing its little thing on here. And we're also trying the little recording so you can see how the sausage is made as you as they say, I feel, I'm worried about this. It's unstable. It's unstable as it gets. So that's kind of part of the chorus. Right, We've got an iPad, We got an iPhone. iPhone does a bunch of stuff. iPad does a bunch of stuff typically, And before when I played stuff through the iPad had this kind of hallway sound like this reverb or that would that would have sounded perfect. And so for some reason I sit there and fiddled with this thing. And maybe it's because I need a new cord. I'm not really sure, but I'll play fully plugged do let's see here. See wait, that's really weird frustrating, but it just is what it is, and we got to deal with it, and we're going to deal with it. So if anyone has any ideas, please give Paul a call. It's just a it's just a cable thing. We'll get it all figured out. All it is, there is a couple of clicks on Amazon away from being fixed. Nice. Nice, It's always just if you throw if you're throwing money at things, Paul, eventually, you know, it's a new world. I found a problem yet money wouldn't fix. I had enough of it, and I do have another contraption that eventually we are going to have this like three cameras and make it a little bit more pro like, kind of like the millhouse guy guys that kind of have cameras going whenever someone's talking. Paul, you know, I mean, Mike, you know a problem money can't fix. I'm sure there are a few, but now go ahead, hit me with yours herpes. I mean, you can get that ship hangs around forever. It does, but eighty percent of the population on the planet has wait, really, yeah me simplex a or simplex Well, I get the lip. I get the lip things. It was blessed with that. That's that simplex c's and you know it's uh heat Scott's right, He's like, tell him that I got my doctor checked out. I don't know. I don't know the percentage that has has the whole harp on the on their junk. I don't know that number. But just if you take herpes as a general virus, about eighty percent of the human population has it. So I don't know, but I just heard. Money can't fix it. Well, you can buy voaltracks, though it'll keep it hitting. Money can always get rid of it. Money can buy you a new island out in the ocean where no one has to see you anymore with your piece. That's true. Well, you know, like that's the thing. Everybody's like your money money just comes from more problems. Well, you know what, I've got plenty of problems because of not having enough money. I'll take that I have too much money problem. I would love to take it. Let me try the too much money problems. Not enough money problems have been a bitch. I'm open to trying that. Well, that's the ship that rich people say to poor people is well, yeah, like, fuck off, I'll take your too much money problemactly. See, I can see what they're saying. I've never experienced it, but I can I can understand it. I'm sure it's different problems that don't put no gas in my tank. Bronco, Bronco, What the hell? That's a genius line. I'll still be sitting here in trying to figure out what the hell. Well, it's been a while, boys, it's been a while. People need it, the people wanted well, you know, we did good there for a bit, but then of course tarpin season came around and it got warm outside, and boy, that's been action packed. Yeah right, I had a terrible week. I mean, I'm phrase it. I had a great week, but as long as you don't count fishing because it's a pretty damp fishing week. I mean I had a solid five days, but it was well, the second you pick up what we call a fly rod, you decided to say that I'm fine not catching anything. I'm going to make this as hard as possible. Yeah, well, our the whole deal, I mean, well, sure we'll talk about all our travels, but our whole deal wasn't like it wasn't bad weather, it was okay, but it's it's amazing how some one little thing, like the wind was coming out of the southwest, the fish are all coming out of the like northeast. So trying to line your boat up when you've got a chop like now, I know a lot of the newer boats, your chips and stuff kind of have a rounded transom so they can steak out transom into the waves. You know, my big ass hughes don't do that. I mean i'd been taking I would have been taking water on all day. So I have to stake out bow forward, which means now you're looking over your shoulder for the fish and you're trying to spin a boat. It takes, you know, and you're already throwing twelve foot fucking leaders and yeah, clear lines and small ass flies at spooky gass fish, and then now you add a bad angle on every you know, it just fucks with you. It's like amazing. Now, one little thing, that one little thing just makes it infinitely harder. Were all double anchoring and doing all that where you keep your boat I was I was just I was just sticking the single anchor and then no off the bow because what I said my transom the way my boat sits squatting on the rear end like I would have been taken waves up over the It's not safe to do that. Now those high sitting, like I said, ship them's they've got a rounded trans some and they sit a little higher up out of the water on the ass. So within reason, you can take some hits on the back. So you see guys tie off to their polling platform or whatever, and it's kind of amper Caddy corner. But we you know, we had enough chop that if it was flat calm, I would, yeah, I'll take off back. But it was enough chop that I was like, I'm going to take on so much water that God forbid some junk getting my bilt pump or something and then sink my fucking boat front side. And that's just it's not good, not good, you know, boat boatman ship to pull that fucking stunt? Is it? Is it Caddy corner or kitty corner? I don't caddy got a caddy corner? Who is caddy? I don't know who? Well, I don't know. Well and apple we say catawampus, which means all crooked. Caddy corner makes sense? You know because it's crooked. Right, Yeah, at an angle a friend named Google. Yeah, word of the day while we were fishing was here comes another one. I mean we it was not boring five days straight. Yeah, there was a steady stream of fish. But whatever, it was going to dissect each other's trip, Okay, like acutely, I don't rush to my dad. We're in the bull. I don't want to waste anything bullshitting your trip. You had it, we all had tarp and trips. Well, I want I feel like we might as well just dive into each other and just call this tarpa and show. Last time we did this was in May, I think, right two months ago. Yeah, we've been it was before my trip and I went down in early May, so it had it been April maybe even because we talked about my Mexico trip. I think I went second week of May to Keys, and I'm just gonna say second week of May. Yeah, wow, Okay, Yeah, I was there the fire and I was there eleventh or the eighteenth or something like that. Because we tried to get a show in somewhat before your trip and that didn't work. So maybe the last time this was April, and I think April, it's been a minute. Yeah, well except between you've been busy. Everybody's been busy. We all got our schedules have been a very very caddywamp. Yeah, that'd be a great name for a sports fisher. I do like it. I always thought if I, if I, if I found myself in some money and had a sport fisher, I I was gonna call it knockdown drag out. That's good my dad always That's why he's referred to as a fight as a knockdown drag out with my accent. I'd love to just be rich and on a boat, be coming into marine and like Charles Charles Stamrin and knockmown drag out, come on back sixteen. I just like to draw it out. That big boat just go on the beach. The other day they deemed the Atlantic beach. Yeah, they deemed the guy was uh, he fell asleep on autopilot. You know big swarties here. They got a pilots he just set up for sleep. I said. They did the investigation, there was no malfunctioning with any equipment on the boat, and the guy was not intoxicated. They didn't charge him with any kind of fell. He was out cold and just rolling the beach. You see him like, yeah, stand up, but yeah, it just he ran it up on Atlantic Beach. He got charged with a reckless operation of a machinery or something like that. But he wasn't intoxicated. He just they think he fell asleep at the wheel. Do you think kid on the beach was like, what way out there? If I saw that and was like, I'd be like when the when they just figure out a show on Netflix by the End of the World and they're all standing on the beach watching a tanker y Yeah, which show that was recently? Yeah, I can't remember. This is how the World Ends or something? No, maybe you're right. I think you're right. Is that that kind of Mexican name, dude is? Julia Roberts was in it. I don't remember sing the ship. Yeah, it's right because they were like their Mexican Yeah. It was yeah, because the planes all start crashing and then they they're hiding in that house with the black couple and the white couple and yeah, there's subtle racism and all kinds of stuff going on. Yeah, it was interesting. That's interesting. It was a book first. I think I forget not a book. I'm don't want to sit here in silence until we figure out. Yeah, all right, well what do we got today? We are going to call uh Bree Drake Wilds and are out and montt. They're doing their annual drive around the country summer. I feel the driving around that tiny little vehicle that they have around that's something we can talk about. So, uh that that thing, I just call it a thing. I don't know what it's called, the thing, like the Drake Elite or something. I mean, Wilds calls it. He built a truck, which he did. Yeah, it's amazing. Uh So, I don't know if y'all followed that whole social media thing like six seven months ago. So wild is very uh I mean, what's the word for. He doesn't really brag about what he does because he's just he makes things that are amazing and doesn't really have to. He didn't do it for other people. He doesn't for other people so they'll buy it so he can make a living. But he didn't have to get on social media and like show the world what he's made. Yeah, he didn't need that. Uh So, But Bree, you know, wants to brag about her husband, and she does have a big social media presence that's like her thing. How do we describe this vehicle? I mean it's like a fancy Manhattan studio apartment strapped to the chassis in twenty five with the five hundred. The truck is the truck monster. The truck is. It's gotta be like a is it A is it a ram? I thought it was a ford. I thought it was a So it's like a it's like but it's like a five fifty or something five. Yeah, it's a five. It's like five five, which is like two tons I think chassis something like that. I can't remember. Military grade. Yeah, and then it's got like the tires that like you can't just change the tires. It's those ones. They are like I don't know what you call it, where like the lug nuts. I don't know, it's weird. It has like twenty lug nuts on it. Yeah, you don't just change the tire. I think it actually gets refueled on the road by an airplane. Yeah, he runs up for refut. But then but you know the wild's having his background and fiberglass wark obviously being skiff builder, he built the shell out of fiberglass like back and backed fiberglass, like his own design. It's amazing, you know when you do this sort of thing, I'm sure you study other things and then like that works, that doesn't work. How am I going to do this better? That's what he's constantly always doing with his boats. And that truck, that truck costs your boatworks dot Com, I'm sure or under breed drake Drake. Yeah, and that truck costs more than my house. Oh, by the way, a lot more than that. So I don't know, six truck costs more in my life six seven months ago. Uh, Bree just basically bree promotes these things because Wilds doesn't. Yeah, the same way if my wife was doing these kind of things that she didn't want to promote me like that show the world you're doing well. Yeah, like that. Part of breeze deal, she's an artist, does like lots of things, but part of her deal is a social media prevalence. She can thor it out and so like her being on there taking I mean, there's no way she can have her presence and have that thing in the background without addressing yeah, literal elephant in the room. And they spent half their life in it. Everybody like, oh, that's really pretty artwork, but what the fuck is that behind you? Wild advertisement is literally give me a call. Yeah, that's that's that's his marketing structure. Yeah, and he's gone to the point where that does work. So back in the day she was putting it out there, she was like saying, look at what my husband bilt. Look at what my husband built. This is so cool. We traveling this thing. We go to the outer Banks all the time, they go surfing in it, they go out west. I think this is the second year they've done this kind of western gas, you know. But she promotes it heavily, is you know, bragging her husband bragging on this awesome thing to have. It's totally natural, And so people started kind of outriders the Benden raid from this trot. I mean, like I so outsiders starting to just kind of spitting little things like he didn't he didn't build that, And then someone else will be like, yeah, he didn't build that himself. He didn't build that from scratch. But it started building, it started building, and like it became this thing where mister he didn't build it would share with his buddy look what these people think that they built. And next thing you know, you had a hundred people saying, there's no fucking way you built that by yourself. If you built up by yourself, you need a team of eight people. If you built that by yourself, you'd need experience working in manufacturing plans. If you did this, there's no way. And so it turns out you just let this go for a month. Where you just let this go for a month, let it fester. Oh yeah, and some of the stuff that people were saying on there it was. It just proves how ridiculous this world is when they start planning these seeds of negativity. A month later, Bree put out the video that she had made. She had already made it because I had seen it before. You want him to build it of literally scratching. All those people are like, oh fuck, he did make it. Turns out he owns a fiberglass manufacturing company and knows how to do this. Yeah. You know what else is funny is anyone who wants to can get in a car drive to blend him South Carolina. The door is unlocked. Yeah you go check it out. He's in there work, no telling what crazy things summer, the summers of Earth. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to hit very with that, like summer. Yeah, that's not that's you know that. This is jealousy talking because I want I want to I want to be able to like, well, we're going to summer in Montana this year. Yeah, they couldn't. I mean they couldn't like deserve it more though, No, that's just it. I mean they they're great people and they can and Drake those boys have worked hard to get everything they got. Like, I'm not mad. It's literally jealousy, the same reason all those assholes were saying you didn't build that, because they are jealous they want one. So I had an offer to I don't know if I should be whatever, but I had an offer to take a hip the summer, yeah, to be like the dude that would promote chidam here. And the first thing I thought of was, no way I'm doing it, because first of all, I love my boat. I don't need another boat. You got an amazing boat, and I would never do that against wilds yeah yeah. And third off, I don't really have the time for John from Charlotte. Soon. I want to come trigure another treat him right around tomorrow, as that's it. You're gonna have to be the test drive gap. And there was one last week at that event, so I assume that somebody that person has been found. But when you go to Florida and the keys is crazy. How many chittams are down there now? Crazy? Well, I mean there was a guy, especially since they cost one hundred thousand dollars pop. It's not like the just throwing these und I'm out there fishing with my guide who for now want name because I don't want to be quoted. But we saw a guy rolling. Yeah I will if you guys are still listening. I rolled out and he goes, oh hey, that's so and so he just he got that new chitam stroke that checked for one hundred and forty nine thousand dollars one forty nine forty He went for all the options. Yes, you did catch a niner in there? Can I something? These guys, We're gonna help him out so much. We need to help them. These poor guys are running around one hundred. They're running around Ferraris on the water. I just and okay, here's my thing, and I know there's skiff more than sometimes I agree that there's skiff guys out there and and I, you know whatever, cool That Chittum is fast, It rides dry and comfortable, it does great job and floats shallows even comics that sound when it's coming across the like wow, unless unless you're going to fish tournaments and stuff like that where you need to be speed on the water and all that stuff, especially the keys, Like there's nowhere that that chiam is gonna go fishing that I can't get to my thirty year old hughes. I agree, there's no real like, there are guys who could probably take advantage of the technical features of that boat to an advantage, but that's a very short fucking list of individuals on the planet. And you know, so like that's what I was, like, crack up on them. People like Maverick has a group of people that are like this too, and they're like, oh, the Maverick, the HPX is just the most elite fishing platform on the It allows me to catch them, Like, dude, I could catch that same fucking fish in a canoe, Like you don't like, the boat is not gonna catch you another fish. Now, we'll make a little more comfortable in the water. Is it nice to have? Are you allowed to have it? Yeah? Man, cool, But don't whoop me in the eye and tell me that you're justifying spending one hundred thousand dollars or more on a skiff because it's gonna catch me in a happy hour. Then you're out of your get them. I think Mike makes a great point. Hang on, we got collar number three. You don't care what I say, and andys like they're gonna sell them. I just it drives like I don't And I don't have any problem with somebody having one and being like this thing is just fun cool and I had the money and I wanted it. That's awesome. Good for you. You're allowed to do that America, right. But what I have a problem is with the guys that say, like, oh, yeah, this this bottle out fish any But no, wont not unless the guy in it knows what the fuck he's doing because the boat is just a hunk of fiberglass or carbon fiber. It's not gonna catch a fish for And else amazes me is when you you understand these like Viking sport fishures that are like you know, two to anywhere, to eight from two to eight million. Yeah, and then you go down southwest Florida and you see how many of those fucking things are. We go to City Marina. It's only where house people. How much money has Viking yachts made in the last decade? Well, you know they're there. They're two to ten million dollars by New World Country. But I mean for the same amount of money, you can buy a new chiitam, you can buy a you could buy an old small sporty for like a twenty year old Viking, like say Viking forty twenty years old, maybe it needs a little love though polstery still looks rough. You could pick that up for one hundred and fifty six thousand dollars. Okay, what all I'm saying is, whoever owns Viking yachts? Yeah, you give that guy an eye patch and a Persian cat. He's a James Bond villain. Yeah, he's living in like a rock somewhere on an island. It like opens up and you know what I'm saying, Yeah, the guy's gotta be killing it, killing it. I mean, we're talking shit about fancy boat builders, but I and I'm not talking about it for the sake of the But they're cool. They're fucking cool. And if you can get a hundred and fift thousand dollars for your work, get it, baby. Well you know what's I just like that. I'm really sick of people telling me that those boats are increasing the fishing game or changing the fishing game, like well, like you said, they're getting somewhere faster with three hundred engine on it. What I heard is it? Okay? So what makes like and Wildest boats are very similar? But I've always heard what makes the chetams really special is the carbon fiber build. And somebody said the original goal and I don't think it ever happened, but was to make a sport fisher carbon fiber. I'm sure they could. What a game changer? And what would that cost? Twenty million? Oh my god, to be insane? What would that be a game change? I don't know enough about it. Lighter, lighter, faster, half as much fuel, push in a big bitch, but I mean yeah, and once again, like there would be guys that could take advantage of those advantages. But for everyone of those, you know, there's just a dude that wants to say he owns a carbon fire so what's the outer area. Like if you if you're down in that area around southwest Florida, there's a there's a zone going offshore, like what one hundred and fifty miles you're into plagics. There's a zone beyond that it's like three hundred miles. Yeah, to gets you in a whole nother life. But yeah, if you improved your fuel burn called the point where yeah, yeah, because your fuel burn is all just weight base. I mean, the more weight you have, they are you're just have to push h Yeah. So I mean you figure like amazing. Yeah, when we ran that big sporty for a lot of years, that sixty foot hatters and that thing had it had twin I want to say they were Detroit, but I can't remember what was in it. But when we were up on plane at twenty eight knots, we were burning one hundred to one hundred and ten gallons per hour of diesel fuel. Wow. So I mean you're were cruising, you know, we're having a good time. I'll never get the owner Auto. We were up there running and uh Trey was running at the time, and Auto come up and it's like mid morning. We're about thirty miles off shore, and he's like, how are we doing, dre Andre, He's like, yeah, man, if I keep her here about twenty eight hundred or so, he goes, we're burning ninety ninety one gallons an hour. He goes, good fuel economy, YadA, YadA, and Auto just looked at him and said, Trey, I didn't buy a sixty foot sport fisher to worry about the fucking gas bill. Put the hammer down, let's go fishing. He's about, I, Oh, you know the other thing I noticed when I was down there fishing. I don't know if y'all have seen this. Maybe it's all around Charleston and I'm not aware. Uh. You know, when you look in someone's console, their battery rits running their little nerve center in those flag but it's a copper top. It's Dura cell. Have you seen this? Dura cells making marine battery? Oh? They are, and it looks like a gigantic version of I mean, you finally commit God, it's been on that thing. I've been diving into batteries lately because my I'm setting my troll, I've been diving into batteries. It's so much more complicated. Now because the lithium has changed everything and like there's different features and this and that. So like it's one of those like quotes that I wish I had recorded I've been diving into lately. But I so I got a I got a twenty four volt troll motor. So I have to either have to twelve vaults in series or I have to nowadays you can get the twenty four volt lithiums and that's what I'm gonna do because it's a lot less weight and it's smart, you know, motherfucker. Yeah, twenty four volt And I'm only looking like a sixty empower because I don't troll the motor all day, Like I'm gonna go off for a couple of hours at the time, so I'm not looking for like one hundred amp hour or something like that. But like even that, like a Dakota lithium sixty empower twenty four volts like eleven hundred dollars, Oh my god, I mean, thank you Joe Biden. Oh yeah, I'm sure Joe Biden Olan' is a lithium mine. But yeah, now there's those cheaper alternatives, but it's uh, I need a how you think we get us a battery sponsor over here on the bit we can I want to everybody batteries. The bunny is the energizer. Yeah, we need to get them. Oh we need a Elon musk. Hey, Elon, I give me want him Tesla batteries to put in my my thirty year old. So here's where we're at. Twenty seven minutes in. That's we're calling bing. Twenty two minutes. They're in a weird moment here. Let's just take a quick break back into a quick little session and then have a third session in calbriy. All right, as you back ourselves into a whole fuck you can always come. Oh friends, elarge game. You know it's old friends after all. I love that song. Well, just from now, well, from here on out, just the music on this that way. That way I can control whether it's being heard or not. Yeah, yeah, it was being toobrisive. Yeah uh, but at least we said it. There's one in the background. No one has to know that it's really coming from this. Yeah, good move, there you go, put it right here. Open that thing just so we have it open. All right, So, oh, recording our podcast, don't in the zone Georgia fan he makes and know every song he swears it's Keenes mast Peace Yep, yep, yep, yep, podcast key Man, Georgia Everything, She's kiss only song yep, yep, yep, Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, all day long, Yo Dogs microphone, Magic dogs On. George Coson is so red black Jesus yep, yep, yeps. King charge of y'all are making big blush y'all haven't heard like right, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, did I have had the yep? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. Oh man, you know what's sad though, He's like, oh that's good, that's what makes it bad. Georgia chancey Doors Keyeslies his strong Yeah, yeah, caske Everything, I'm a Georgia Fanes his only song. Oh god, god no, that was something special sounding good. I know, I know he is hell. I thought that was Keith Quitley. There you go, Doug, that's your song. Well that's the summer, the summer banger. That's what they say, the summer hit. It's a banger, Yeah, the summers. A little Jerry Jeff in the background. This is so good. It's one of my favorite Jery does just little low, broke down, broken down? Can I tell you kind of a I don't know, it's just kind of stupid. At the time, I thought it was so like a personal thing. When I moved out east to Atlanta, when I was pretty sure I was putting probably Texas behind me for the rest of my life. Yeah, and that's true. I played this song right when I left the border of Texas. I want can everybody just picture Paul driving a high desert area and in West Texas and like a Honda you're going the wrong direction and a Honda Accord Walker Accord. What'd you have a toya to turse? I had a Nissan e Sterra that green ext he had to parking play just Hendricks like, did you steal it from a college girl? No? And he drove next Sterra. Yes, that's what I had Exterra on the on the right. And I had your little first aid kit back there that you could see in the little bubble of the back you think from some guy named Lindsay from Birmingham. I didn't you drove that thing to the wheels little fell off of it. Yeah, I remember that thing like it was I think I do remember. Yeah, let me text Bree had it when you moved here. I know that. Yeah. Ye, do I have time to talk about my trip before, Bree? No, we're doing. Yeah, let's talk about yours and I'll keep updating with her. Just turn this down a little bit. Did you go to Buger Grant or No? No? Actually, so usually when I link up with mister Brooks Watkins Tampa, Florida, very good friend of mine who I've known since I was a freshman at Georgia Go Dogs, we we always try to make some time to chase Tarbin every year, and so this year I met him down an Anna Maria Island, which is a fantastic place about an hour and a half maybe a little less south of Tampa, kind of near Sarasota, right, And so we did the same kind of deal. We ran the beaches, a lot of anchor ball fishing, just setting up on little places where we knew those tarpin had to hit a sand bar, go right or left, and so we could catch them, catch them slipping, and it was it was fantastic. We had You had never done this, right, You'd never fished for tarping in this area and not in this area, but it is slap ass identical to like Bunck Grant or Kyo Costa places like that. So it really didn't look at you different, big white sand beaches, d yards off the beach kind of thing. Yeah, just sitting there sweating your ass off stairs. Had a white spot in the ocean for six hours. But it was great. Look, we had we had a little a little bit of trouble with the swells. There were some like lazy swells coming in off that storm that was across the Gulf in Mexico and Texas, and it made the water a little little chalky. But we had these big outgoing ties which were great, and there were fish every fifteen minutes. We had fish coming and a lot of people were making great casts. We were putting in front of fish, moving fish, jumping fish every once in a while. Never came close to landing anything. Even the fish that bit just didn't really seem like they wanted to They just like get it out of my face. And that was the week that that big storm came into Miami, right or right it was about a week after that, Yeah, and so, and we fished a couple of days with Kolbe Haynes, who's Cooby Haynes, excuse me, is amazing guy. Blue Buddha Charters. He is a fantastic guy and got a lot of site and it had a lot of fun fishing with him and Colby is he's really got it dialed in down there. So if you're in that area, Blue Buddha Charters, Colby Haym really he's really got it going on. I like that name, something different than tight Lines Charters. No Blue Buddha. You know him. He's got a hell's bay out there with a little blue Buddha glued to the console. That's cool, that's great, you know when saying but I feel like you might get along. Yeah, we listen. We had an absolute blast. We even went and checked out the backcountry one day. They have a ton of laid up fish in that area, which is really cool. But I cannot emphasize enough you really need to be with one of those guys to fish that area. It is because of terrain or yeah, and also their their passes are very difficult to navigate and they changed constantly. So the guys that are on the water every day they're grinding it out, really know how to navigate everything. Is it more rock or is it more it's sand. There's no rock really, but the sand is in a constant flocks, a movement, and it is always changing. I mean like it was surprising, you know. So anyway, it was great. I would have loved to have brought some fish boat side, but it definitely gave me the bugs. You know, I've had a couple of years where chasing elt seemed more important to me than tarbine fishing. But yeah, back in Man, they're both big animals, big animals and not dumb. Yeah, I was. I was having dinner with Alan broy Hill up and uh Me and the wife rout in Asheville for a couple of nights last week, and we were talking, you know, and he was talking about like we were talking about steelhead fishing or something I don't I don't remember, and he was like yeah, He's like yeah, man, this guy's up there. They really just kind of nerd out over the still I'm like, you know, every time I hear somebody just geeking out over a steelhead or like, you know, yeah, especially like the Great Lakes, guys like yeah, man, still head and fishing in the fall, I'm like, I just think to myself, that guy's never caught a tarpin, has he. I Mean, I know they're not the end all be off everybody. I get that, but like, but like, you know, that's what was so cool. It's a pretty fair gus. Like you obviously never put a big tarpain in the air because you're way too excited about a trout. And when you spend time with some of these guides, Yeah, you might meet one of these salty guys at the dock and they may seem twenty or they may seem seventy. Yeah, and when they're on the water, their age is like it's timeless. They are just a kid with a sparkle in their eye that are so in love with what they are doing. And that you know, all by itself is really special. Spend time with anybody like that on the boat, Yeah, really, really well, I think that's you know, one of the things you look for when you get a guide is you want somebody who is enjoying what. Yeah, it really cares about it. Those guys catch more fit in my opinion. But secondly, those guys also like you're stuck in a little piece of fiberglass for a long time with these with a stranger. Yeah, it makes its a lot more enjoyable. The guys that know how to control that environment and be personable to share something with you. That's that's always. Yeah, I'm not I know guys that like to go fishing with salty burly you know whatever. Yeah, they take it as a badge of honor me personally. Man, No, I don't know, have a good time. Yeah, man, that's that's one thing Kolby did. And I mean he told me he spends close to three hundred days on the water a year, and just imagining the toll that takes on his body, it's just amazing. But he just absolutely loves it. Well, that tar vision. It's you know, you know, it doesn't seem like it's that bad when you're you know, especially hook fishing, when you're fishing on an anchor, you know, a lot on anchor ball or whatever. But yeah, it's still. Man, those days are long. They are a week of it, and the keys man by the by day five, day six. I think a couple of years ago, I did eight days straight and by like day eight, I was begging for mercy. I said, man, I just need a fucking day off, Like I don't want to go sit in this boat again. You know it's rough, and that was you know, we pull a little bit, we do. I try personally, I try to stay on the stick as much as I can, but yeah, this year didn't allow that very much. But yeah, man, after like four or five days just sitting out there getting baked in that son, I mean, it no't matter how good you are, you know, drinking water and on it. You still man, it's beats the ship out of you. I texted Kenny on the way home and I was like, Kenny, Kenny, we are going fishing and I need to catch your red fish and punch it in the face, like hey, I'm gonna head butt him and be like you tell your friends about me. I'm packed. I did. I hope I got. I got into the grass not long after we got back and stabbed a couple of real made me feel bad, me feel better. I still know how to catch fish. I told you, motherfuckers, I could still do this. I can still do this, but I will say this and not to you know. I know we don't have any special relationship with Hardy Flywer Odds, but Mike, I did want to tell you this and this is also you know, just for anybody out there that is associated with Hardy, I cast the eleven weight one piece marksman man. It was a fucking game changer. That rod is slick, and I mean that that that set up felt so light in my hand. It was like I was streamer fishing out west. My buddy Luke's kind of been dabbling and rod building for a few years now, just as a hobby of course. And uh, long story short, he built me a twelve weight to replace a different rod that that I'd had. But he built it a blank. Uh I can't remember the name so company they just do blanks, but there it's out of New Zealand or something like that. I don't remember anyway, Okay, so he build it on that blank and it looks really nice, just black, nothing super special. But he named it, you know, he rode on aroon like you know, it's a twelve weight, but he named it the Copperhead Claymore. I've never been happier the copperhead crab, don't, Mike Benson, Yeah, but yeah, the Copperhead Claymore is twelve witch well, speaking of not that we're speaking of a copperhead, but after we talked to Bree. We're gonna take a break. I didn't tell you. Doug knows, but we've got Grassy Gus, the red fish coming in. Oh god, you got I got Gus. Yeah, you got Gus. He's coming in. Pedro hooked us up. Yeah, don't tease me now. It's like a little Sebastian. You know, I'm not teaching you. So we're gonna We're gonna call here in about four minutes. I'm gonna try to do it on FaceTime audio. I think we did that last time. Yeah, it worked well. I think seemed like it worked well, but we haven't tested it. So I'm gonna start drinking because Gus is coming on. Yeah. So Grassy Gus is what they called. That's awesome. So let's uh, we all know Gus, ask him some questions. Let's get down to it. Yeah, I got some questions for these red fish. I've been fishing for them a long time. Yeah, I've made assumptions, you know, but then you know what they say about assumptions. Do you not feel like they have a little bit of a of an attitude right now? You know? And I've noticed that, like, yeah, they're they're definitely. I've been finding fishing feed and fishing. We've been catching a few here and there, but they've been a little a little pissy, and I think, honestly, I think they're getting hit. I think they're getting hit a lot more than they used to. They're a little smarter, and you know, so I've been branching out about every time. I, like I say, out every three tides, I spend at least one of those tides somewhere I don't normally fish, just usually further south. And I've been trying to spend at least, like I said, one of my three days, I'm gonna fish three days that week. I'm one of them completely just checking noose ship and generally that means not catching fish, but I did. We found a couple of spots last time. I'm gonna hit back out again this week at least one to day and just and just venture, you know, let's go see what that looks like. Because you know, you can look at stuff from space, and you can guess the stuff on maps, but until you lay eyes on it, you just don't know if the water is coming in the way it should, or if the fish are using it, you know, so hell even looking at it once, you don't know. Well, here's my pattern. Okay, all right, great flood tides. Oh they're at midnight. Great floods is Oh I'm out of town. Yeah, oh, great flood size. You're at midnight again next week, great flood tides. I'm not Yeah, where, shut up both, I'm not saying like that. I'm happy to be in Bozeman, but I would also like to be taking advantage of tides during the day. I'm chance, I get I'm just now getting to like we're just not getting to the point in my life with the child where like I you know, I Im starting to inch out a little bit, an inch out a little bit. Also, wife's aw for the summer, which is great. Yeah. Hey, by the way, I heard you were going down to Pantas do some tarbon fishing. I'm so sorry you're gonna miss a good tides. That's probably what the next ones are gonna be. Do you need a hug? Well, be here fishing in the grass. You know, we'll be thinking about how destitute you are while you're down south tarbor fishing. I know. Yeah, tell David es today. All right, so we're about to use the iPad, which means don't touch this because this wire contracts. All this might this little, very unstable little piece. All right, I'm gonna try to call her. Uh, let's do it through this thing. I think it's gonna work. I'm gonna say, coming in hot text is out. We are still recording with the GoPro. Let's do it, all right, call start using your cool all right, let's see what we got here. Not ringing yet mm hmm. The worst case, we'll use the way we've always done here. Yeah, it's gonna work. I don't know why it's not ringing. She's also in like bump. Oh great, that first one failed. Oh nice. Well, I mean she's probably in an insane place outwise, come on, Brie, alright, I'm just gonna try the phone here. Ah, why does this have to happen? Is your phone not working? Now? We can always talk about something in the meantime you you all talk. I'm doing sorry, I have my wist text me. I'm texting her shopping lists for groceries. I start I work tomorrow. Okay, she answers like video. Then, well, she's gonna be looking at the most stable place you could have found. On top of the rum bottle. Hey, Bri b Breed. I tried this other iPad thing. It didn't work. So we're on the phone now. But that's okay. Well we got Mike Benson and Doug Rowland and I'm here and we really appreciate Yeah, I know, we know you're summering out in Montana. So yeah, I was just commenting on how nice it'd be if I could use summer as a verb like you got, not that you haven't earned it. We're just jealous over here, not summering. Are y'all having fun? Bree? Hello, we lose you. We're probably just gonna have to deal with Okay, okay, you have you'll having fun. Everything going smooth, Yeah, now everything's going smooth. We had a rocky start, but the last few weeks have been good. Okay good. Yeah, any fishing today, No fishing today. It was blowing what wild's like forty thirty five it's blowing this morning and super stormy. So we slept in, go to the hot springs. Nice. Yeah. Now I want to make it I want to make it clear to wilds that this phone calls with you, not wild Oh man, I was I was trying so hard to get him to join in, and he wouldn't do it like that sounds like wild. Well, we know that he's not, you know, big on the whole media like podcast scenario. So we figured, you know, we we'd call and talk to you and talk about all the cool stuff you're doing right now in this little venture yard. Day's not big on talking in general, that's right. Yeah, you're the a lister, So we figured we'd call you. Oh god, well, so how are things? So? What where are y'all? Right? Now? You said you're at Hot Springs? Which one because years she can probably hear us. We just can't hurt her. Oh okay, that's probably we're just getting a little internet feedback, Mike, you want to pretend like you're heard, Yeah, let me hoping. All right, y'all are back, y'all, Okay, okay, So tell us where you are? So right now, we're in Norris, Montana, Norris Hot Springs. But we've been in Nis, Montana for about a week. Oh nice, I love it. Yeah, we love that. Got a lot of a lot of good friends here, so y'all, So y'all were next to that gravel bar. Yeah, we've already gone to the gravel Bar a couple of times. I can't think of his name on some of the guy I went to high school with owns that place. Yeah, that's great. It's right sort of trout Soccer's Ye, like the best porch in the West to hang out on. Yeah, it's a good place, good people. It's actually a great place to spend the fourth of July too. I don't know if you guys, Paul is going to be out there sore Monday, head out to Bosman. Are you gonna come to Nis for the fourth No, we're actually gonna be a Headgin Lake on the fourth, which and far from you are y'all are y'all kind of are y'all kind of maintaining your grounds and and this is that kind of where your your base is. Yeah, that's usually what we do every year. I mean last year was the first year we came out earlier, like we left around first week of June, and this year we left even earlier than that. And then we took we took the southern Southwest route to get here of this year, so we took a lot longer which trip. Yeah, Texas, highly Texas, that's where all my family's from yeah, and so y'all did a little surfing down and wake. Oh. Yeah, I've basically been living my life through y'all the last month. So thank you back there made sure to find all the fresh water waves he could find. That's awesome. I have to ask, how are the pups doing. They're doing good. Good, you know their seniors, and yeah, Skip had to have a surgery while we were out here. Unfortunately, they're doing good. They're hanging them, they are thriving, just despite they both have cancer. Fortunately they're doing good. So I know that you've been dealing with that. And did y'all know that one of the dogs is going to have cancer on the way out there or is that something that sprung up on you? Well, we knew and did so we were a little worried about her, but we weren't going to like hold back from the trip up live it up. But didn't get through us for a loop. He had an emergency surgery or had a mask on a sleen and turns out it was cancers. But they're doing great, but no better place to like live it up in the final days. Hopefully, hopefully they're still going to live another few years. I mean, I'm determined to make that happen. So awesome. Yeah, so, Bree, we were talking about the amazing vehicle that you guys are traveling in right now, and if anyone listening wants to check out info on it, how do they find information on I want people to see it. It's it's incredible. Oh gosh, I wish like a retrospect. We wish you would have done like a YouTube something to build, yeah, but we didn't. I mean I took lots of photage of it, and then we finally just put together Instagram reel. So okay, there's one on my page that kind of goes over all the details. Maybe one day we'll make like a fancy video that's high quality over the whole because people do nerd out over this stuff. Oh it's amazing. I mean, it's it's incredible. Yeah. We talked about the controversial stuff from like six months ago earlier, like, oh my god, wasn't that nut? It was pretty What I was impressed by was your ability to hold back and like, yeah, kind of let the water flow down stream. And then a month later be like, actually here's the video of him making and just all the people you could just see the people jaw dropping basically online, you know, like, Okay, here's where I say, I'm sorry. Yeah, that wasn't the plan. I mean I didn't. I didn't like set people up to sure later. It was just like, you know, Wild is super to himself, and there's a lot of things he kind of wanted to keep private, you know, because he had like toyter around with the idea of maybe building them. But then once he decided he wasn't going to do that, he said, yeah, go ahead, we'll just share it all. And then yeah, I made a bunch of people feel really stupid. Well, but the thing is, like, you didn't make anybody do anything like they not like you said, hey, you know you didn't feed them you gave him. Yeah, you just told them, hey, look at this thing we made, and their own jealousy and their own insecurity drove them to say all the crap that made and then they had to eat their boots and that's not your fault. Like you didn't tell them to open their mouth. You're like, hey, this is what it is. It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. It just wouldn't stop. Like I can't believe how nasty people can be on the internet, but yeah, you know, the best thing you do is just not not interact. Yeah, I mean notoriously. I'm notoriously an asshole, but I'll be an assholes straight to your face, Like I don't need for any of that exactly. That's okay, that's the best kind of people. Just do it someone's face. Yeah, tell us about all the new stuff you were doing, like the home good stuff and everything else. Oh god, hey we're talking about you not wild. We done got off the track here, So yeah, you're doing some stuff, come on, all right. Well, so I've been doing the graphic design stuff for about three years, really lucked into that. Everyone's been so like welcoming. I still feel like an imposter doing it, but really I felt the same way my first four or five years. So just that's that's natural, just doing it, I know. But it's great. It's a lot of fun. But I do probably know Paul, it's it's a lot of work when you're just a one man show, one woman show. So I was just trying to brainstorm on something I could do that it would be fulfilling and where I could kind of do stuff like we're doing now more. I mean, I'm still working while we're out here. But I think if if I had some kind of business that's where i'd get more passive income, that would be cool. And yeah, I just I have some really good ideas for this project, but I'm kind of bootstrapping the whole homegoates home goods things. I love. It might be a little flower that's fine. I can see where I wanted it to be, and I except about it. Well, next thing you know, it will be five years from now and you'll have like this whole silos operation going on hereon Gucci exactly, I hope. So, I mean we did go, we did go to Magnolia and wake he for the first time just to see it. And that's great. We lost her, she'll be back again. What do you guys want to talk about? Yeah, don't bring us back. Yeah, it's kind of exciting. Yeah, wonder Yeah, you never know when you're gonna lose there. Yeah, breathe a permit. She was like, she's gone. So yeah, So you're doing your home goods thing, and you also have this kind of online tutorial deal which I'm super intrigued about, which I appreciate you answering my questions about that a month ago. Yeah, how's that going. That's been going pretty well. I'm trying to like mentor people who have signed up. So if anyone's listening thinking about signing up? Should people? Yeah, what page do people go to if they if they want to check out what you're doing? So my website is just free Drake dot com. Okay, you can find it there. But yeah, I found like again, since I'm a one woman show, I get kind of busy and can only do so much. So and I know there's a there's a lot of creatives that I work with, and I know they have the bill to do it. I mean, I taught myself how to do all of this. So and that's b r E one e not to b R E d r a k e. It almost sounds like free Drake Pree dra no Bree Drake dot com. Yeah. Yeah, so I kind of just walked through my entire process. And when I work with a client on a brand project or it can be applied to like an apparel project, personal projects. That's great. And so I watched the Texas Rangers like every night and on MLB, and you you know, you get your game, and so there's a lot of I think I saw you on a free Fly ad on MLB network. Yeah I did, yea, Yeah, you're so national, I was. I was Southwest Florida and it's all commercial. Yeah, I was like, whoa, I know, Well, it's it's awesome to see all the things that you've done and what you're doing. And did you sign up for the Ladies tournament yet? The Marshwore tournament and we lost her. I will say while we were waiting on her come back, I think free Flying needs to do an ad series like me and Paul. She is title that big boys like Bamboo too, big boy Bamboo to us have us showing off all our curves and bamboo it does fit us different. I think they stick rolls and six to certain places. But you don't count. You've lost like fifty pounds, I still have Mike, you're not in the club. Yeah, you're done. You're out, like you're out. So I was asking you if you signed up for the Mortuary Ladies Tournament yet. You know what, It's funny, I didn't want to the first one. I'm not really competitive. She's done, she's done no wild last year and then just yesterday he was on the phone and I was outside with the dogs and I got an email. All night I've been signed up again. You know what we'll do together. I'll be honest, like, I don't think any of these three guys meet. I don't think any of us are into the whole competitive thing either, but it's still it's fun. It's just fun to do and see where you place in the absolutely and then when you win or like I think me and Doug took first and the second one year in a tournament, and I you know, like part of me was really happy my buddy won. A party was like Doug, that's right, just who was first and who was like a quarter of an it was within an all started something here. It's a fun tournament. I think our band was playing at the Rural American for the intro party or the Thursday night party even better, So get ready to rock. Yeah, that's good. I mean there is there a lady Anglish from all over the country, and a lot of the girls I fished in Mexico with showed up in Charleston. Yeah, I mean hot Rod and all them from the Keys rolled up and all those ladies. Tournament tarping girls came in town. I got to have lunch with hot Rod and Charleston, which made me happy. I didn't seen her. That was good. When I was nervous, I told Wild got this, we got this, like I don't know fish with a lot of they're real good. If they're put in front of fish, they're gonna catch him. That's just it. They got in front of fish. I have to say, Bree has one of the best Instagram pages I've ever seen, so if people want to find you on there, it's it's just Bree Drake, right, b r E Drake right. Yeah, Okay, and listen when Wild is in a really good mood. Not right now, but will you please talk to him and say I might be ready for my third boat. I got You're going to be at the end of the line. They said it real quiet here, You're going to be at the end of the line, though, whenever you're ready, you know, more than happy you're on the five whole. Number one yeah, number one, yea one of the super lights. Oh my god. Okay, let's not get carried away with that. Right now, I'm gonna start spending I'm gonna start writing checks. My butt. I can't cash. He's been working the streets free and selling his body. So what is y'all's like kind of next week forecast week or two? Like, what's what's the plan? Well, let's see, I think tomorrow we're going over, So what's still? We're going over to Phillipsburg. Do you guys know Jackson and Emily Bland. I don't. Yeah, I think I know the name. The name really familiar, trout cowboy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay wild Wild. Jackson and Jackson's wife Emily are really into mountain biking. I'll dabble. It's not really my thing. So we're going over to Phillipsburg tomorrow to have a bike camp out tomorrow night and a bike day on Saturday. Well, wow, wear a helmet. I need another bit helmet in his little knee pad pads. That's cute. Back when I was still a mountain mountain boy, I had, I had the knee pad shin guard combo. I didn't clicking pedals, So your yeah, Now, are you all going to find yourself on twin bridges in the midst of that rooster or what you know? We ran in a rooster the other night. We were getting at Wells Fargo Steakhouse in Virginia City, and he was there Virginia City. I love it, red, red face and wasted as usual. I love that old boy though. Yeah, he's a he's a sight to behold, for sure, he really is. He's a character. Well, we can't thank you enough for taking a little time out in your in your summer ing. Yeah, from your summer listening all along. So I'm sorry when you when do you all planning on getting home? What's what's your kind of time time frame? We're definitely hanging around here for the fourth festivities. You know, they do the rodeo and the prey here head shortly after that. Go to get back to the boat crew. All right, I'm trying to talk. I'm going to stay longer. But yeah, he's got I can't imagine. I can't imagine you take your eyes off of that crew for too long. We actually they do good every year. They're batter and better for longer, so that's good. We're going to be in Bozeman one through fourth and then Big Sky five through eight, so if you're around those parts, come fish with us. See I'm doing the daughter, wife, father in law with my father in law five fishes, So we're doing more kind of two afternoons, just walking like the Gallatin and kind of like that kind of thing. So for real, if you, if you and what's your father in law's name, Keith, be your man, Keith, Like we have the drift boat. If you and Keith want to come fish with Wilds, come be that. Well, let's keep that in mind. Let's I'll just call y'all when we get out there and we're like, we're like professional and Madison. Now, I mean, okay, well we're a big deal. Let's keep these possibilities open. You never know it. Well, if we miss you out and uh in Montana, let's see y' all soon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well thanks again for hanging out with us for a little bit. Wild Thanks, thanks, guys, appreciate you. Bye bye bye. All right, that was nice, Breezeberry nice. Yeah. I love that crew. Yeah, I think, let's say critter, I love that creator. I love that crew. She is a creator. She's a good creator. She is a good creator. Wild is a creator too. I love why we didn't ask about Jordan's. I wonder where Jordan's It's probably better not that he's probably that was the crew I thought I was worried about, like wild, you can't leave Jordan alone, and then you can't leave. I feel like we just take a little break. Yeah, they need it, the people need it. Okay, we're be back. I'll get to get coordinated on this camera microphone thing here. Oh technology, I love it. Show him bad? Did they cut him off on the flat? Did they crowd the eye of the hook? Did they ask him a dunk question? Did they tell him he doesn't know how to cast a five? Uh? Oh? Mics five? Got a feeling like he's got loose tangle lines and broken trees. Oh, it's not this seasy as it seems. Front a wild and free, but Mike's feeling trapped. Can't you see every fish just out of reach. It's like a lesson that life wants to teach. Why I didn't know? You knew? So it's not this easy as it seems, which not Mike. It's making it seem like I'm really bad at every cast he lets it go. I went forward cats for feeling low. The water whispers, the wind, it sighs. Mike's hot heavy with every sunrise. Myself. First, He'll say tangle lines and broken dreams. That's easy, tangle lines and broken dreams. A really good line going this a sh it's bad man, a good lie roth. The song lets it go, hoping forward, catch the feeling. Though I'm bressed with every sunrise, every sun round, every day, I just wake up sad, go dogs all right, the first verse, let's just the first I like the first verse, but like after that, it makes the first verses. The first verse is incredible, but then it goes in. Basically it just goes in tells me that I have clinical depression. The first version, right, I like the first verse, maybe mad and everybody else, but the rest of the song is mad Mike something the crowdy eye. That's the best one to be asking the dump question, even though he doesn't know how to justify you. And then after that, like it starts out with me being mad at everybody else, which is true, and then it goes into me being mad at myself, and like goes into painting a picture of me having mad, like major depression. She says, I woke up with a heavy heart every sunrise. So I didn't do one about myself because I don't really know how to do that, So I'm gonna hand hand it the one of you all for the next all right thing for what you'll need to put a little Q and into the thing about me. I want to do this. It says I had like prompt you with questions, so you want to so you can choose whatever. He's basically doctor. Yeah, I'm gonna let you do that. You're gonna then you're gonna choose a character to sing it. The dude is at the very bottom of the characters. So Avatar, you want to chee get complicated too much, but you want to say, like what I said, is my friend mad. Mike is maybe mad because someone cut him off from the flat question mark and I said, did someone? I just asked all these questions and that's what made the song. So you can't get too complicated. I think you're limited to like two hundred characters. So you just gave that to not only a doctor but a writer. There's no telling what's gonna come with Evil's gonna come. I know we'll see you're gonna get ashamed. Well, he might keep it passed. I didn't mean to like he keep it pas depression mode. It is that Mike's mad at the world for them. Yeah, the first line perfect broken dreams, I don't know what then, but then the loresta songs like mad Mike's really sad. Somebody should check in on him because he's probably gonna kill himself. Wait, seriously, broken, I don't know what crowding the hook? So when you tie a fly, that's the main thing. When you're tying a fly. Yeah, when you get thread like it gets halfway over the eye of the fly, you're crowding the hug rookie fly. And that's just kind of you know why. I don't know about that because I don't tie. You don't give a ship. Why would I tie flies? All my best friends tie the best. And if Doug called me one night and I'm trying to hanging on the hook, can you show me a whip I can't figure can't figure out how to do a whip stitcher, and I'd say, Doug, I'll come over there in fifteen minutes. Just you got to get here. Get here. Somebody had me the wrong. It'd be amazing if you flies. So uh, it's generating a song for you that says riverside serenade man. But secondarily to that, I just looked below, uh below that one. In the last one you made, it says trailer behind your house. So that's the one I tried to make for Richard. That makes sense. Yeah, work ahead, work Yeah. I was like, that's a creepy tide on the trail pause the second. So so Luke, let's make sure that doesn't work yet. Maybe a workship right now. Sometimes they get hung up and they don't work. I don't know what the deal is. And I picked the guy named Frank. I don't know what he sounds like, but he looks like he had sing a good serenade. So that sounds good. Okay, So Luke at Rivers and Glynn, Yeah, I went there today. Little Charleston Fly or what's yeah, Suth Carolina Fly or something, Yeah, something like that. So he does a lot of fly time. He's not trying to make one of these companies. He just does a lot of customers. He's a good kid. He likes a good tire. He's a good tire. He's clean, he does very well, and he's just he's a good kid. He's just chill. He's just doing his things. He's been doing it for a long time too. Yeah, he's a skyty shop. But he was like sixteen. I know. Yeah, he was a kid kid when I first met him. I mean, he still looks like a kid. He's older now, he's like twenty four, twenty five now probably Yeah, So he told me. I don't know if he told me this story. Then I went over there in the corner and kind of like type this up. But he said this woman wanted him to tie a fly with her dead dog's hair. Piby asked me to do that one time. He probably get an envelope full of dog hair. Yeah, it's creepy. So I wrote it like, maybe I'd do it for a thousand is what I threw in here. So let's you want to hear the song. Maybe I'll do it. So I played it while I was there. You should said, I don't know, is your dog and chicken? I didn't hip hop person. Maybe I'll do it. Wait, wait, they always give you two versions. Okay, I just got a little single, little why us the hair from a dog's cloth, tire before tire, black, dead dog's hair, Oh god, dead dog's hair, dead hair so fine? Is still shine? What the strange? TSK? Take a shave? No? Questions to ask blo. It's kind of good, right, you know what it would play on the radio? Would let's do the other version. Let's listen to other version, dude. So I just want all y'all to appreciate that all the other crappy songs you've heard on this radio show have been me and Paul making them up. Wait ourselves. This is pissing me off. Like, here's the other production. We feel like we need to bring a do you like musicians and actors are just totally screwed down. No fly using half from the Dog. I mean it sounds really good. Ladies, request the strange desire, strange desire. You won't. That's a banger. I feel the windows coming down down the truck right now. Yeah, I could cruise around town, but it's like that's a good damn. That's yeah, five times very post maloney, Hey're so fine your skill. I like this version matter? Yeah, fly time for cash? Okay, So I got another one. So the other day uh Owen called no Owen texted me with Chance on there too. No Owen Gaylor, Owen Gaylor man Old Chance and I had a team meeting without you today. I want you know that. I'm like, you could have at least facetimed me. Yeah, I'm like, did you want me to show up in Texas? Yeah? What what do you for the meeting? So I prompt I was like, I could have been part of it. He goes, well, what did you do for the team today? Oh? Wow, I made this song? Go? This is what I so, here's bucket. Here it is and there's two versions. One's better. I might have to figure out. We might have trym bath. Yeah. I guess this is what I fucking didn't out of me and bolling. They will go fish down me. I don't know. Team Bird makes the dreams, making it all by year Texas they'll be well, I mean South Carolina, the far away sound following in it's an amazing five town. It's ridiculous. I don't it makes me uncomfortable, Like thing is the thing is, the thing is we're not focusing on right here. There's fills and drum fills and solos and and dobro leads and things that are like what that only a musician understands, because the audience does not, Paul, and that's what's just scared using what AI does understand is what you want to fuck hear exact. That's where it comes in and makes exactly That's what makes it creepy because it understands how the human brain works. Musicians can sit on the sideline and cry all they want to, but this is scary because it takes the audience away riverside, serenad is done. Do you want to hear it now? Or wait, yeah, let's hear it now. Let's hear it now. I want to hear I thought we do one version. In the next version, we'll all right, we're going in the second version later. Here we go, guys, is your AI introduction to I literally talked like four sentences in just about Paul. Kids are the chop off And I was a nice paw. I didn't I didn't go asshole on you. What's that point? Oh that's okay, okay, it was nice. I did complimentary. Well, I was nice to you too. Sounds like I was. It sounds like g a C sad scene capturing life, so serene. What is beauty fly fishing street? I'm running the others might be better street split a real artsy on this one. It's all about you ball Paul's vision like country is a country country and guy named Sank don't sound like pretty little little tree Frank. I don't know. I didn't know what anybody sounded about it. I picked a burley, gruff looking guy, didn't. I didn't expect to sist nature. I don't know. I kind of like this fall. It's very family friendly, speeling free for all, so castle lines, feeling pret Paul's vision for all to see. I think it's beautiful. I didn't write. God damn, I have done two for Richard Caso, and both of them are frozen up. I can't get them too works. Ai and I talked about the awesome Grease and Claw, and I don't know what to do with this because nobody can quite comprehend. We'll say the other word. Let's hear the other one. Now, we'll say. We'll all be surprised by the next. Everybody's taking mystery and trailer park. Wait what Taylor Park? What about the trailer behind my house? It's just neither of them were working. It's frustrating. How can they in your house? When we come up with the song for Richard said trailer in the I mean Richard case, but he might be a I proof Yeah, he might be. He may beyond beyond the comprehension of a supercomputer. Basically, I understand the entire human race except for that motherfucker does not exist in analog or digital. Now, I did one for barbecue Ben. You on going, oh yeah, this morning, been young? I did metal, of course, he was. I Like I told it. He likes smoking meats, he likes swimming his pool, he likes riding his a t VS and hanging out with his Boston tears. I was. I was swimming. I was swimming baseball, smoking meat. I was swimming in Ben's pool this morning. Yeah, hey, you got so. I love how they squeeze in though. Sure, and it's so funny. I love throwing that last one in there. Ye so free whoa living life and just having fun? Yeah, double bake. Listen to that, fellow, I mean barbecue Ben. They cut the drumming loose on this, like, hey, drummer, let go fucking you know what? Barbecue Ben? Miya made a hand of this catch for the Good podcast Are You Man? Like? It's like Judas Priest meets Mega Dad. I just says we're gonna hear the de o on that note. Totally do. It's like, yeah, all right, God, is there anyone that we want to maybe send a message out when the next break? Think about the next break? We didn't talk about next break. Then let's come up with some another song for someone we can send out to him. All Right, it's gonna be all right. I can't wait to next version because that first one's okay, Well, we haven't even talked about we're still waiting for your Fisher report. You haven't stopped paying. You know what I'd love to do, honestly, like, well, no, it sounds say it, Doug, it would be hilarious in one. So Becca's having these issues with Harley right now. Harley dog. But Harley are one hundred and seventeen pounds, three year old lab and he's a Swiss dogging world and they're like glued together. They're perfect. But when they go on walks and he sees another dog. To be fair, Becca, the only ways about one hundred and ten pounds and about hundred and ten pounds, but he's Harley, and he outweighs back when he sees other dogs on his walk. He just flips out. I don't know why. It's so weird. Yeah, he flips out. I know it's it's insane, so I don't know. I would love to see what we can come up. But okay with that, why does Harley and Harley back back in hour? Really? I feel like that might need to be metal too. Yeah, definitely met definitely metal. Or it's funny when you do like when you do hip hop or even I did. Uh, it's like, begas, Harley, why do you do this to me? She just gets upset and he's like right, She's like I did. Actually, we might have to do one more. Sorry I did. Are I did another one to Owen and Chance. Yeah. I think it was in the style of these are great techno. Yeah I did. Okay, let's do a techno one about I think it's called Redfish Dreams A right, I love it. I love it. Here we go? Is that kid? Sounds like Mortal Kombat Night Riders? Red Fish? These video is gonna ridiculous sound port O'Connor scene fi fist full of twenty eight fish under the Texas Sun. It's not a bad little choruse. No, you need that techno Viking in here. Have you seen that? Dude? I love techno Viking techno Viking. Yeah, that might be one of my uh my favorite uh like online things. Oh god and the like, because that one dude was getting too wild and he was like Jack's a dude up like shoving hi back in his points at him. Oh yeah, and it just like points at him like, no, show me how to load up this. Oh you want to start typing it in? Yeah, I want to learn. I do have to check one thing. Is it a special ad? Yeah, it's gotta be like I've never seen such. And then again, I'm, as my wife will tell you, I'm technologically handed. I I feel like we're all kind of like of an like I'm I would be. You guys are older than me. I don't know what you guys. Following around the whole generation thing, I'm considered an elder millennial. Like technically I'm millennial, but I'm I'm like a year or two on the cusp of like being late gen X early early millennial. So like, I'm weird because I came up I was raised more gen xy because we didn't have technology or computers and ship I was little, I was raised out like yeah, your mom kicked you out of the house in the morning. You weren't allowed back in until dinner time. Oh yeah, but I've also had cell phones as a teenager, Like I was here for the influx. I was in college when Facebook became a thing, like you know, like oh, like I was like the generation that was like growing with the fucking shit, but I didn't have it. It didn't exist before me. So it's weird. So I'm really my wife's few years she's only like three or four years younger than me. She's not that much younger, but she's completely Her relationship with it is completely different because, like I said, all that stuff was a few years old by the time she came along, oh yeah, whereas like it wasn't in existence when I was around, like at the same age line. You know. It's yeah, it's weird, and you think about our kids, like Jesus Christ like interesting though, it's it's fascinating the whole thing to our relationship with and how fast it is grown. I mean, you think about it, like, so it took us as human beings, as Homo sapiens, it took us plus or minus fifty thousand years. Well, it took us probably something like a million, couple million years to get to the point of be an agricultural society. Yeah, it took us fifty thousand more years to become an industrial society, and then it took one hundred years to jump to technology, and then it took like twenty years to become an atomic age. And you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, the changes are like yeah, what like everything's sped up some faster, so like it's like one things like what the fuck does it even to look like at the time we die? Like what kind of world are we gonna be sitting in? Like God, you wonder, I mean, are we gonna be able to tell like reality from like yeah, not reality? Or does it take a hard left turn into something we don't even have a comprehension because we don't know that it's some other dimensional reality that we're like we got weird? Well, how fa how sar is this? You know how? Well? I was talking about how long it took us as as him and sapiens become agricultural, you know, civilized people. From that point, it was like fifty thousand years until we became what we call an industrial power. And then you're talking from that industrialization, it was like one hundred years to the atomic age. Technology. It was fifty years to take the technology age and now so everything's just like when would you say the technology age started like nineteen eighty No no, no, no, no. I would say technology was like probably the late sixty yeah, but in consumers hands, consumer's hands, probably like when the Mac nineties. Yeah, the Internet would be like the line for consumers. Yeah, yeah, IBM availability to consumers. I remember to my godfather's house and Tyler, Texas and like nineteen four award in this processor and his son, Christopher was probably age eight or nine. He's like this genius kid. Yeah. I remember him telling me they could hook up a phone to the computer and they could do something with it. This is probably nineteen eighty seven, like like AOL, Like no, could they could get information through a phone line? Yeah? And I remember this phone being on this weird port. Yeah, it'd be like, what the fuck are you talking? Yeah? You didn't actually think that you put the phone receiver was on the port? Yeah, ship y'all had that. Yes, Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know it exists. I got the other at my godfather's house. They did, and this is probably eighty seven in my mind like when when it came readily, they would put the the phone. Yeah, it went into it. You put the phone on in a jack Yeah, weird, Like you clicked it into this little thing and it would use that to send sound waves through a little wild Yeah. But yeah, like it's it's wild to think about that, Like what it's going to be like data, data coming through those Yeah. And then just just imagine like what our kids are going to see and the changes, like I said, because like I said, you're talking, I was saying, fifty thousand years, you know, one hundred years, fifty years to you know not and it goes so fast. And now we got a I'm making songs like that, like and and you know that's the least of its capability. I mean, okay, so given AI, can can you put a pair of VR goggles on in transport to another place? Yeah? I mean it doesn't seem that big elite from where we are. Now, Yeah, what are you doing? Now? Yeah? Just give me one minute, now, Paul, you kill me. I can talk about my Florida trip if we want to get off this AI, I turned, let's do Let's do Florida, all right? All right? Well, so I'll tell you real quick, what's happened in the last five minutes. So we were told Logan asked us like two or three months ago to play at the Marshware thing, the Ladies tournament on the final party. Yeah, and I told these guys about it. I literally just reminded them, and three of them are all out of town. So that's what I've been dealing with, letting Marshware know that, Oh, looks like we cannot play it. Give me one day I can figure out something, hopefully backup band or something. Yeah. So that's what I've been dealing with. I'm sorry, Logan. I kind of needed to be taken care of in that second, in that moment, but I would let's let's get into Mike and crew that I bailed on. We we fishing. Yeah, man, you didn't miss great fishing. You missed a good hang though. Yeah. I sent you some equally as important. Yeah. So we went down May eleventh or eighteen, something like that, I don't know. We got down there on a Monday. We fished through Saturday. We rented a different house this year. For the last like four years, through four years we stayed at the same place and it's been this really cool old nineteen fifties original keys house. Great people. Barry and his wife run it. It's an airbnb that they operate and they live on the same It's a tiny little island. It's not one of the big islands, but it's a tiny island and they have a house on the same island and they and Barry's wife works at the marina. So there's a boat ramp across the street essentially at the marina quote unquote. It's one dock and a boat ramp, and so you get you can launch your boat right there. It's really handy. The house has a dock. Has been great. But Barry double booked on us. He's, oh, yeah, I mean the man makes his own sea grape wine, so he probably got drunk. He usually he usually holds he usually holds our week for us, and he you know, so this year we called him up to claim our week like we do every year, and he's like, oh, I booked it. Can you all do the week after? And we were like, no, Barry, we hold our week because you know, because those of you that don't tarb and fish on migrating fish moon phases are important, so We booked based on the phase of the moon, so if we waited another week, we would have been on a different moon cycle. Though, So y'all like a new moon, I don't know. I don't care new or full. What I don't want to be on is the week of a full moon or a week of a new moon. We want to be I like a waxen moon personally, which will be building full. But we were fishing a waneing moon with wax all. Yeah, so we were fishing a waneing moon, but the next week would have been a full new moon week, like it was going to be just the new moon the whole week, and and that usually the fish get weird. They either go offshore, they hole up on the bridges, or I've been told and I've been down there like that building moon, building or falling, one of the two. I prefer building personally. If I could get a wax and moon, I'll be happier. But we had a wneing moon. That was fine, and we didn't have any like a moving fish. Those fish were moving on that on that moon phase. But anyway, semester with so we booked a random house and had some weird Google reviews, But all the Google reviews were people that were expecting a much nicer place, you know. But it was on the go. It was on the Bay side in an area where we fish anywhere, there's a basin right there that we like to fish and as an area, so like literally our backyard was the basin that we fished routinely for tarpaing all the time. Anyway, I'm like, so we can literally just pull off the dock, we start fishing. We didn't even really have to run if we didn't want to. And they were fishing there, but they weren't doing their thing. But uh, yeah, we fished. Like I told y'all kind of earlier, we were playing on basically this ocean fishing, and we did. I didn't spend a lot of time in the back. It was busy in the back. And the problem was the ocean fish were tough because that wind and you knew that when you came in the back was all the guides were stacked up on all the banks and stuff in the back because just setting up with that wind and it wasn't a bad wind. It was ten to fifteen knots like you can fish in. Yeah, we were watching the weather. Yeah, and if you can fish it, like if you can cast at all, you can fish that with those And that's the thing like ocean fish once again, people haven't done it. You're fishing twelve foot minimum, twelve foot long leaders nowadays with clear tip fly lines. The flies are on size ones and twos and they're small and you can't see them well and you're trying to feed these fish. You know, you have one hundred and fifty fish coming down the line or whatever, twenty fish, thirty fish. However, big string is and it's all about angle and presentation. Every bit of it is trying to drift that fly into the line and keep it in the line as long as you can, and you're trying to feed a specific fish. But once that kind of plays out in my experience, the longer I can keep it in that line at the right angle, the better chance I have a one peeling off and being like, oh shit, there's a snack, you know, like kind of deal. So it's this game you're playing. But now imagine you can't see your fly. You don't really have much more than a general idea where you are you can your fly because the water's long well, the water is clear, it doesn't matter. But you're casting seventy eighty feet. Ok, you know, so like a size one fly that's a two inches long and lightly color and stars at eighty feet. I don't give a ship. How eagle eyed you are. You ain't seeing that other and you're getting a big cast out. Yeah, we had a big cast. But the problem with that is the boat positioning, you know, was really fucking tough because we're having to stay on the fucking bowie and then you know, the fish will compile driving right at the boat. See, you almost felt like you were blind casting, like like I mean, you were casting at group groups of fish, but you were waiting on a strike. You on the waiting on a field. But then also like ninety nine percent of the time, like I'll tell you this, the one or two i'd say I probably cast in a week, I made fifty sixty casts in a string of fish. Let's just say theoretically, I had about four that I felt good about angle wise, just because by the time we got the boat positioned and we got lined up, my angle's wrong. You don't want to be fishing in perpendicular, right, You want to be fishing them almost as close to in line with them as you can get, but you also don't want to be in line with them. No, if the boat, if they hit the boat, those lead fish hit the boat, it spooks the whole string. Yeah, they move, but they move when they move there the game's up. They know you're there, like it's a whold of everything. So you want them going wide of you or short of you, inside, outside, whatever. But you want to have an angle to where you can hit them at less than a forty five degree angle over they'll say twenty thirty degrees, and you want that fly. In a perfect world, the current's pushing to where you can throw kind of up current of the fish you're targeting across the back of the fish in front of him and let it just swing down into him as you just kind of bring it tight. You're moving it really really slow. You're just keeping it in there. So you're trying to do all that. But we were doing that now with a wind that was just fucking us. I mean it was so like if you have the wind in your face, the boat naturally swings on the hook to face the fish coming at you. Right. Yeah, so like you're already set up for a success at that point, because the boat's already oriented the way it should be. We had to win the other direction. So the wind was blowing the fish or swimming into the wind. Yeah, so the boat's position the wrong way. So now you have to push with a pushpole to swing it around. You have to get it. And then now the boat's making noise because the wind chops coming from behind you, and the fly is not moving as fast as you think it is because the water's picking it up. So you're like, okay, so you're worried about the fly. It makes that Yeah, it makes the angle, It makes that math your do, the calculations you do in your head, that trigonometry you're trying to that it's hard for even like a season vea. Yeah, so now that trigonometry just got another track in. It just throws another fucking factor in there. So like it got really hard and you make this cast and you're like, it's not like you can see your fly on the way. It's a movie. You see the fly of the angle and you're like, god damn it, Like it's just a bad angle, and but there's nothing you can do about it. You fish it. You fish it, you fish it, and you just I had one eat I had another one try to eat that. It was fucking of course poetic. I saw him like peel off the string. And that's the other things, like you you can't see your fly great, you know the general area where your fly. Yeah. Yeah. And when you see a fish do something abnormal to the group like peel off, You're like, he's on my fly, like and you just take that. So at what point do you just get a cold beer and say, give me a live crap? That kind of brings up maybe, so I want to bring up so when I go down there, I want backcountry, back country, back country. Like my philosophy is fuck those ocean fish. Yeah we are. How come so many people go down there I don't know and don't do the back count. Well's are they are? They just their mind is so like focused on seeing those you know what I mean, know what I think it is. I think the locals do. They don't want us down there fucking around in their background. Well here's my thing. So, like I know, so I've spent I've spent a lot of I've spent not a lot because I don't spent I spent a lot of I've spent a pretty substantial amount of time in back and I know the back country fairly well between Flamingo and and Alan Rono, where I have twenty thirty spots where I know I can go and how to fish them, you know. And that's the thing, Like, that's the thing about the back country, not just knowing spots, it's only how to fish those areas. Oh boy, we lost the video because you don't want to fuck up. If you come into the area at the wrong place at the wrong time, you fuck up the fishing for everybody. So yeah, like there's a couple of spots that I know. But the thing is, I fished the back countery for so many years when we fish the glades that I feel like, uh now, I don't know, maybe I'm proving something to myself. I don't know what it is. Like I literally went down there this year and I every day it was like we had the weather, we could have went fish in the back. We could have given each other. Yeah. Now, granted, there was a lot of competition for that stuff in the back because, like I said, most of the guys that got and know that they were there were a lot of them on the front, but a lot of them spent way more time in the back because they knew that that wind was just kind of fucky and it was making it weird. Like, but there's one spot that I know in the back that like when I found it, Rob, like, I found it at the wrong tide and I found all that stuff, and I talked to Rob about it. Robs like, don't go in there, and I'm like, He's like, the dudes are fishing there are not gonna like you being and don't go in there. And I was like, and I was like, well, going in there. So like this year we did, Like now I know, Rob won't tell me anything about it. He won't tell me how to you know, so he wouldn't, or at that time he wouldn't. He wouldn't tell me anything else about it. I was like, all right, all right, mother fucker, I get it. I get it. So this year I went back in there and I found my way back in there again, and I was like and then when I got in there, I saw a guy in there and I immediately was like, I understand that I don't know how to fish. He immediately knew you were figuring something out. He won't want you figure out. And he was like well and then then and to be fair too, like my boat's not clandestine, right, like you see my boat, you know, even if you don't know who I am, you remember that boat, like you know that fucking boat. So I got in there and I saw that guy set up and I kind of I like, I guessed how to fish this giving why but I was like yeah, I was like yeah, and Tuckers like, I was like, we're getting out of here. He's like wow, I was like, don't fuck up. I was like, I was like, because I don't know what I'm fucking doing and I don't want to him. Yeah, So I got out and then we got out of there. But the next day I came back in there and there was nobody in there. Then I just kind of poked around and fell around and I kind of figured it out. But that's kind of how it is in that back country. So, like you say, like you know, spin back, like Paul, you have the luxury, the and the good fortune. You get to fish with a lot of guides who understand it. If I was able to go down there and fish with Rob every day, I'd probably be the same way, Like, let's just go it back. The problem is like I have ten backcountry spots, right, all of them known to every guide that fishes in the Keys, because none of them are top sickert spots. Not like I have the luxuries against that though, not against it, just with it. But no. And the thing is like, I don't and I have no hesitation like you known or not knowing. If I get around that spot and there's nobody on, I'm fishing it and nobody's gonna move me off, I don't give a fuck. If Rob Ford to someself comes in there, we're just gonna have us a fight. But the thing is good, I don't have any I don't have any fear of the guides finding a spot on the places I know how to fish anyway. Yeah, what I have a fear of, generally speaking, is when there are a couple guys fish in an area if I'm not completely one hundred percent comfortable on how that area fishes. Yeah, the last thing I'm gonna just put myself on that mix and take a chance of sucking up somebody else's day. Right, Because the really nice guy, I'm sure he is I don't know. I don't know, you don't know me. It's fine. If he meets you and knows and thinks that you know even half what you say, you're he's gonna But I will say this year I kind of went down there this year. I tied a bunch of leaders ahead of time. I went down there this year. In my head, I was like, I'm gonna figure this ocean game out, like fishing bitches for trout, Like it's kind of a get it. It's like big leagues here. It's your take on this whole thing. I don't really know that I have a take. But my take is that I personally don't find interest in fishing the ocean really like it just does it. I'll take good I'll take good day in the back of the ocean any day. My interest. My interest is, oh, look at that. That's a hundred tarp. That's my interest. It's cool to look at. I've casted to him plenty of times. I've gotten looks and leans. We all I don't want to go on the side. Oh yeah, I know I have to, but I don't. I don't care about calling Mike after I fish. I had three leans and two looks. I don't fucking care about that. When I go in the back country acting, I think it's I think it's because I like moving. Like in the back country, you're polling, you're working, you're moving, you're seeing things. Well in some places, but in the lower Keys maybe a little more. But like a lot of those spots and and well, and especially because of the traffic in Amoran. Like even if you're fishing the Peterson's, you have to go pretty far. Well yeah, I mean, but let's say you're fishing the Peterson's, right. The Peterson's is three four mile long bank. It's very long. Yeah, But when when it's middle of the day and the light's right and the tides right, there are twelve boats on, you're not pulling anywhere, You're you're you have a little sex. You're pretty much standing waiting you're fish to roll down the bank, which is fine. Now. I've also fished the Peterson's after all the guides have gone home in the afternoon. I caught a big fish out there one night with rob On. It was like four or five in the afternoon. GUIDs are left. We had the whole bank to ourselves, and they were tarping everywhere, and I landed about a well, we leadered a ninety pound like eighty ninety pound fish, like a nice fish. But like there during the day, I mean, you have a point or you know the way the way these banks work Peterson's or otherwise is there will be these points and these lil alcoves, and there'll be cuts going through the bank and whatnot. So between the cut and this point, let's say that's your little twenty yard streps pocket, and then from that point to the next cut is another guy's twenty yard streps, right, And the fish don't necessarily go up and down the banks. They come in and out, they move around, they kind of swirl, but you're kind of trapped in this little pocket. So even that's my thing is like the only places if you run all the way up to First National or you had even you go to like ox Foot, or you go down to shell Key or food. I love that there's a couple of breaks there. But even though that's like I've been to ox in prime season and noise there, yeah, sometimes, but then the other times that's like a four boat spot because there's an outside and the inside of a double inside and then another outside and so like. But that's it. So like if you roll up there and there's two boats in there, and then you got to pick you know, one of the other two outside inside, and then then you got to play with that whole game. Like from Flamingo sometimes that that water coming out of snake bite stuffs real milky and it's not dirty. It's just milk and chalky. Yeah, chalk water. See. And once again not being a local and not knowing how the tides affected. I mean, I'm not running twenty five miles to find out that it's chalk water up there and then I got to turn around and run twenty five miles. My roll with thumb though, if I'm riding my own bog, my roll with thumb is I just if I see someone and I know, and you know, if it's a local, I just bow out. I just go, hey, I'm good, I am. That's where they work, that's where they were. Well, I will say this. So we were hanging out with Rob one night and Rob was like, and this is how much we've been down there a lot of years now. We've been doing the keys thing for we've been doing this, we've been doing this run to South Florida for eleven years. This was the eleventh year we made this run consecutive with no breaks, and uh, out of that, this is like our fourth year and the keys. Most of that time was spent up in the glades. But we've gotten to the point where like the keys has become a kind of the thing. And so Rob actually Rob talked and Rob, our buddy isn't tied in with all the big dogs and and you know, he works a lot of the tournaments and on that, so he knows all the bigger named gods, the old school guys in town. So he told them all because like one of our I'm not going to name the key, but one of the areas that we fish a lot is a well known key. But it's it's not like some top secret spider anything, but it's an area that we like to fish a lot. It's just a ban It's a section of the ocean that we like to fish because we're comfortable with it, of course. And so Rob told all of his buddies. It was like, Hey, my boys from South Kelin are coming into town, and uh, they you know, they like to fish x key on this kind of area. He's like just giving you all heads up because a lot of guys fish that section that we fish. I mean, it's one of those places that has a name right like it has you know. So he uh. But I was like that fellow with that pretty blue hughes, that pretty green hues, and he's like yeah, he gus he goes, and then he said half his buddies like all right, we'll fish, and but half his guys, the guys the local said I will will fish somewhere else for that week. He's got that old bone fisher. But but those boys like literally like Rob kind of get my heads up and they're like, I we'll just we'll steer clear there for the week. So those boys actually just pull back. They're like you can have it for the week and the week Like that's to me, that's courtesy because, like I said, we've never tried to and had they all been there, we would have just kept out and went table. But to hear to hear some old school because he named a few names, but to hear a couple of old school guys be like I can fish elsewhere for the week, Like I'll stare clear long, you know, I'll still clear to that in that section of beach, and that's that to me. I was like, that was like, that's a salty He know how to catch fish anyway? Oh yeah, exactly. They don't need it. They're not doing like motherfucker, I can catch fish anywhere. But yeah, I think next year, I've already kind of thought about it. I think this year, for whatever reason, I was mad at a fish. I wanted to prove myself on the ocean fish. I didn't do it. I don't feel defeated. It just is what it is. But I think next year I probably will put a little more effort and to spend a little more time in the back. Just make that a conscious effort. I love the ocean fishing. I like the technical aspect of it. But then again, I like fish that eat when I put a flyne front of him, too. There is something he said for that. I'll be honest with you, Like, even though we know what we're doing and we run around enough years, God bless our dads and taught us how do shit. But I love fishing with a guy down there. I would love, just love it. I like fishing with with a guy. I like fishing with somebody who lives there one day. One day, I'm gonna put that together. I just I haven't. I haven't. It's much better. But there's also something great about learning it figuring it out too, because there's so much Like I fished with Kenny Adkison a lot in Big Pine. Yeah, and when he's a good guy, and when I started asking him questions about he's great. Okay, So when the tides doing this on the gulf but in the ocean and then it comes down here, what how much time he starts explaining, I'm like, okay, I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. Don't even I can't even comprehend, Like, well, it's gonna go out here, but in an hour from now, it's going to go on the other side of this island. It'll be going out then I'm like, what the fun It's just it's a whole I want to keep that ship simple. So like in Colorado, like between Aldo and the Whole. Difference is is a lot of guides want to take Paul out because they don't want to take Don mad Mike Benson and Doug Wine and cry Roll. You're acting like I don't pay for my guy, pay for my guy just like you do. Sure you do. I'm in future years as as this goes on, cal Kenny ask him how much he got for me. It started, it started out, It started out I didn't have the money to pay for a guy, like there was no too. Yeah, And so that's it's not that I did this whole DIY bullshit because I'm cool. It's because I was poor. There's difference, and and you're not. You're not now well I'm still poor. But the thing is like at some point, yes, I would like to like maybe break it up in the future, like as I gettle older and I'm a little able to do it, like me and Tucker or me and somebody split a day, yeah, and be like, yeah, we're gonna be there for seven days or six days whatever, you know. On Wednesday, we're going to fish with Joe Schmoe out of whatever, Marina yea, and and you know, go fish with somebody for a day. And because I would like to just learn some things. But then again, too, you have to be careful with that because it'll have to be the right guy. But they're gonna worry about you taking their spots and yeah, and that's and that's a reasonable thing worry about. I'm not I'm not mad at him for concerning himself. So like it's gonna be one of those things where honestly, I'll probably use my broker, which is uh Rob, and I'll probably like, hey, Rob, I need to find a guy who understands I'm not gonna go to his spot. I'm not gonna fish what he teaches me, but I want to learn how to fish. Dude, I would never go where where kolbe. Yeah, I'm gonna have to have a broken this week. I would ever go to. There's gonna have to be a middle there's to be a middle man that sets me up with a guy. And then like, yeah, I might have to possibility because it's because it is a legitimate concern. And I understand that, and I just you know, I'm not that guy. But they don't know I'm not that guy. They just know him some asshole from South Carolina that comes for a week and they don't want to deal with me in their spot. And I understand that that's not that's not unreasonable, you know, but I don't know. I have thought about it, and and and and the older I get, the more that's gonna be a thing, probably, but it's just I just there's something about me. I'm I'm obstinate, I'm I don't like being told no. And those ocean fisher just told me no a lot. I've caught them, I've touched him, I've felt them, I've taken my toll on them a little bit, but like nothing at the general rule, Like they just kind of pissed me off, but they pissed me off in the right kind of way where I'm like, I just want to be better at that. And it just gets harder every year, Like it doesn't get any easier. You just get smarter and like everything changes. It's just like there's something to be said for And I could be wrong with a lot of these tournament guys. You know, these tournaments are in the same days they've always been, but the season has gotten earlier, so these tournaments are later and later and later kind of in the fish are doing different things and they all go up north. These guys that are winning, I think so well, they run around the corner and exactly those are the fish that aren't really that they haven't seen fifty boats that day. Well that's how Denny wanted he was running all the way up past Big Sable and ship for like they're all the whole tournaments. Smart due, but I mean you got to have it. But then again, smart, this is where owning one hundred thousand dollars flats where they can run eighty mile an hour pays its dividends because you can run fifty miles. And Evan and Deane have one of those, now, yeah, one of these machines. And so it's funny because don Holly, you know they were like second, third, second, second, second and finally got it. They finally won. Yeah. Yeah, And like the last few years the Gold Cup they've been third, third, second, second and then hopefully next year. Wall did you see that, Well, I saw him. He is Greg. If you're listening, you need to call us motherfucker because you are bald like buzzball. Oh he is bald, he is shiny. Tell I know we did a long time ago, did Yeah, But that doesn't mean we can't again, I can't remember all the shows. So I want to say we had him before he started doing these tournaments back like we would have been down and so I'd love to talk to him again though about like how the because I mean it's been five or six years since. I remember when we fished down with him. He was like, I've got this guy, Evan. He wants to start doing all these tournaments. And that was six seven years ago. Yeah, so I'd love to talk to him. And that's turned out well, that's evolved, it turned out well. So he was just kind of sticking his toes in that wall. I think next I think next year I am going to carve out a good section of time just to go back to some of the back country should I fished in the early years, like because we cut our teeth fish and tarping out of flamingo, but on the Gulf side, I didn't do a lot of the back until later. But I'd like to go back and fish some of that ship because the big difference for those that you don't know what the fuck we're talking about back If a good day of back country fishing for me, a di y from South Carolina, guys, I'm gonna pull all day. I'm gonna see twenty five fish, but I'm gonna get shots on eight of those fish, legitimate shots. All eight of them are gonna eat if I do my fucking job all eight. Like, know, we're talking about tarping because we always can't fish. But then if I but you say how many fish did you catch? Just like not even talking about but then like if I wouldn't go to a permit trip, you say how many fish did you catch? One? But if I'm fishing ocean fish, if we're fishing ocean fish, you're gonna see two hundred, three hundred, four hundred. Yeah, a thousand fishing day, like I mean, thousands, maybe exactive, but you're gonna see one hundreds, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of fish. You're gonna have legitimate shots at hundreds of fish without exaggeration if your boat's in the right area. And however, one of those may eat three or four, may deign to lean at it and you know, sniff it, give it a little looxie, you know, whatever you want to call it. Light up, light up, change. Might be talked about your trip for like an hour. We gotta we gotta take a break, come back to gassy, grassy, gassy gun. I thought it was he gassy. The tie was a little slow today, so he's not going to be here for another ten minutes. We're gonna take a little break. Is he gonna release swimming? Get him in here? Yeah? Have you seen this place when it gets ht? I know, I know, I know we're gonna get case. It just takes a little break. Did we abruptly end your tarp and talk? I think it was appropriate. You got the last thought. No, I love them. They're my favorite fish, my phone roots. They're my roots. Make your ball smile with your downtown the country chicks. This is it all right? Looking there? Let me get the song care because here we go on air? Oh you didn't you hit the finger? I hit the finger? What scene capture? So serene? So what sen sen like? Calm, beauty of fish and spring suns. It turns out the best thing to do is just make fun of people on AI. So I didn't say anything about rivers or serene. Not one of those words was in my statement. Well, they wanted to get all serene on color, and he paints them more like each frst zta beyond the pail, It's beautiful side sound choose on the street display. It's trying to get all poetic, pushing the scene, and that was actually not bad. With his brushy paints in the morning, line like yeah, it's it hits notes where it's okay, it's colors bold and bright. Doug's loving paints the morning life, each brushstroke tails a tale of well beyond the pale. It's like you're doing a children's just be honest here, though, there's people right now playing in bars and like coffee places that are not even close to this. Yeah, that's that's like a computer ten minutes. Yeah, to do what they would spend their songs right now that I'm like, what the fuck is this on the radio? I'm really I'm really frightened for like Hollywood actors, Like I think it's that wasn't bad though with colors? Did you want to type in some stuff with for Becca? And are you you still want to do that? Okay, it's just to you just pick what genre you want. I mean, I, you know, maybe just get out there with something. I like heavy metal, but yeah, I think I think the heavy metal dog going nuts. I think man, okay, country all right? So is that? So is that song about me? And I'm going to talk about my trip? Well? Is it? Yeah? Here's the point of just just binality. But like, do you consider in the lower keys like fishing back in the islands, you consider that back country, I mean comparatively, because that's the stuff there's all. That's why I like Big Pine too, because like if you look at a map, you know, there's a bunch of islands, and it gets of these islands thin out a little bit, but when you get to the middle keys, like Big Pine, there's a lot more islands going on, which I love sometime fishing sugar Loaf and I fished up in the contents and I fished all that, and but to me that was all like because it's all that gin clear, you know, ocean water to me, because you're fishing coral heads and it was rock and the contents too, like in the back back that's the way looking all the more sandy stuff. Yeah, and it's coral reef on the front edge of all that out there. But like I just I don't know in my head when I think backcountry, like I think that like dark green, murky. Yeah, you know, I can see that, and there is some of that in Big Pine. Imagine, yeah, imagine something when you start getting close to the contents, starts getting lighter, more bahamasy, look exactly. That's that's what I'm saying like, I don't which I like that. When I think backcountry, I don't think Bahama type fishing. To me, that's just ocean flats fishing. I just think we're gonna go to the islands and see fish come around the corners rolling and you can cast rolling fish which they roll in the ocean to get. And that's such a harder fucking game to figure out. Like the Lower the Lower Keys is definitely yeah, but you need to read it. It's called wet walking with Beck and Hartley won't let me read it and till it comes out, okay, probably five minutes it's to be. But that whole Lower Keys thing is, like, that's even harder to figure out because it is so the way the current moves through all those That's why you get a guide, Yeah, that's it, because you're closer to the golf and like the weird the water is doing running your boat down there, like you fuck up in alum Rodd. It's mostly sand and mud, you fuck up, And Big Pine is rock and coral and there goes the lower Unity, the whole fucking engine. And you know it's funny because you'll give me about earlier, y'all, have this idea maybe I get guides for free, which I do. I did not. Well, I mean, I don't definitely discount for sure, so I would say, you know, not even fifteen years ago, probably back in like twenty ten, when I started wanting to to go to the Keys and wanted to go to the Bahamas, wanted to go to these places that I knew were expensive, and I was living on a fla shop salary in selling a painting once every four months that the painting was maybe two hundred and fifty bucks. I didn't have expendable money, so I made I did make a lot of trades with people. I said, hey, I would love to come fish with you, and I would love to pay you something, but can I also somehow maybe work a deal where I do a painting for you? And Joel Dicky did that for me a few times. Did you ever think of blackmailing people? Yeah? And I did, and I did. I did bike mail. I found out. I got on the dark web and found out a little weird shit about these guys. But when I started getting to where maybe I could afford it, it isn't really the right word. Maybe I couldn't afford it. But I figured out a way. I started realizing, okay, I should justify it, Paul, Yeah, and just start realizing that maybe at the time, six hundred fifty bucks at the day was what they charged. Now it's like twelve, they start realizing it is worth it. Get here, it's to the airport worthy, it's worth what you can afford to make yourself not feel guilty about it there, you know, and I start. What's funny is when they started asking me back for a painting, I kind of figure out how much does it costing me per day to paint this painting, and I kind of charge them what they would charge three or four days of fishing. I'm going to charge them three or four days because that's what charged them. Accordingly. The point is like, it's it's worth it to pay for a guide sometimes, and it feels good to be able to actually afford it. Now. There's been very few occasions in my life where I've gotten to do that, where I've got to hire a guy out, and I always feel somehow weirdly guilty whenever like someone is catering to me, but you were a guy, yeah, But the thing is like you always feel the weird but at the same time, like, isn't it refreshing though, Like it's just a good nice take your hands off the wheel, and dude, I love to fish. Think about it. A guy who knows what's he puts in every day. Yeah, and you're happy to still do a few things like yes, grab the anchor. There's nothing better than fishing. I think I've told this story before, but like I was fishing with a guy in Tennessee and we got on the boat and the guy didn't know us. I was part of some them, this bullshit thing and we were there testing rons and so like I get on the boat and he doesn't know me, he doesn't know anything about it. He's like, a, here's the plan for the day. He's just going, there's normal spiel about the boat and how to do things and whatnot, and he's like he's like I was like, all right, I'm just get some line out. He's like, yeah, it is you know, a little couple of cast ribs. Get some line out. And I bombed on it. Like he's just testing. I put out like an eighty ninety foot like you dumped the whole fly line based with a popper, and it's like but he literally like as soon as it went out and like laid out like straight and laid down. He goes, Okay, we're gonna do some cool ship today. And he's like, I got a different plan. I got a different plan. It's like shifting, We're gonna do some cool ship today, allay, like all three of us have. Let's just call him, let's just call him decent skills. Let's give ourselves a little what I mean, I'm definitely the week I lost. I lost the cast in competition one time in my life the man to beat me with Steve Ray Jeff, and that's not a fucking well. So, Mike, Mike, you also lost a fishing tournament. Let's let's just call it. Let's just call it without Let's just be modest and call it decent skills. We have deel skills. I'm not modest by a quarter of an inch. But but with what you're saying, though, when someone with decent skills gets on it, I'm not even so sure those right away? Yeah, good one can I can I just get a sentence out, so go ahead with someone like so anyway, I was saying, it is pretty crazy when you fish with it. When you fish, the guide you don't know, and you get up there and you do something like that. How they quickly changed their whole demeanor and for them it's not really work anymore. That day, they're actually gonna maybe not have to tell you five thousand times to mend or do you know, stop your cast? The instruction part goes totally out and they can actually guide. Well, yeah, they can actually got these guys has totally changed. Anybody that has a has ever guided, anybody in anything, knows that you have a program, right like you have a set. Because I hate to tell y'all out here on the world that they'll probably hire God's lot and some of y'all maybe not get to fish as much as we've been blessed in our lives to do. But we have to cater to the lowest fucking common denominator and most of y'all can't cast for ship. Most of you don't understand the game we play. And that's okay, you don't do it every day. We get that, but we have a plan. We have a program. Every God has a program. Well you're expecting, yeah, steps on the boat and you're like, oh, ship, I can actually go do some I can actually go fishing. I get to break the program because that gives him an excuse to go try his spots want to because he knows, all right, well I would take somebody over there, but it's kind of tough cast it's kind of a weird. But now he's like, no, no, we're gonna do weird ship today. Like that. That's my That's the best compliment you can get. When the guy's like, all right, we're gonna go do some weird ship today. And then he sees that he thought the twelve back of beer you brought was actually twelve back of high noon and he goes, are all all hands and he goes, fuck, the thing is are going to be best. The coolest part about that is, right at that moment, that guy has become part of the fishing. Yeah. It does change the vibe in the boat because he knows, all right, I'm among like minded individuals. I can ye let my hair down, like we're gonna have a nice day. More than anything, I want people to know, and especially any guys who listen to this podcast, we are absolutely one fans of fishing with guys. Oh yeah yeah, And well, like I learned how to pull a boat on Doug's boat. That's where I learned how to pull a boat. So when I got my own boat, you were man, there's nothing more sad. It's pretty good than having someone that knows how to fish on the front of your boat and you're pulling. You have equal part in catching that fish, maybe even more like I kind of feel when I see someone catching fish on my boat on the on the bow of it. I feel more joy out of that moment than I actually do if I would have got that fish. But there's nothing worse than standing on having gouted people. There's nothing worse than standing on the back of the boat and watching somebody just fuck. I don't have to deal with opportunity where you're like, dude, just put it to the fucking right. You're up right, No, that's not where I told you to put the other left. You just know that fish would have just three o'clock, not nine o'clock. Well with that, dang it, did this thing turn? I didn't even talk about your trip. That's what we need to talk about. SD cards full get Let's talk about your drop. Yeah, you and you, we're just gonna not worry about this and what are we gonna do about it. Card ready, get on, y'all talk for a second. But yeah, it really is to me, like I think as I get older, like guiding, I know, guides are gonna be a bigger part of my life as I get older, just because I'm gonna and you have more money and more time. I don't know about that, but well, no, no, I'm sorry. You have less time and more money exactly, which means that guide is helping you accomplish your goals. Yeah, in a more efficient way and with a little more money. And I got really lucky when I moved down here as a you know, I was nineteen when move to Charleston, twenty something like that, and I got some guys took me under the wings who were guides, and I got to fish with them on their days off, and I got to spend a lot of time with guys that knew what they were doing. And you know, they were on their day off when I was fishing with them, and they weren't guiding me by any stretch of that imagination. But I went along with them on their scouting missions and they're you know, when they were searching spots and trying to fish them stuff, figure them things out and uh or just on weird ship they wanted to do because it was fun for them. And but I learned so much more about the fish and about the environment because I was fishing with John Ewe, I was fishing Ben Floyd. Yeah, I was fishing with these guys and and they were just you know, they were you know, at that time, younger guides and and still not full booked. You know. Now now John I one only allows himself to fish, yeah, exactly, and Floyd the same thing. Like these guys they get to pick how many days they fish now, but back in those days it was, you know, they had days unbooked, and so like I got to spend my time fishing with guides for free. Not being guided for free, mind you, but like but just fun fishing with them. And but you learned that mindset and you learn and it allowed me to learn my environment here and Charleston very well. And they want to teach you, yeah, yeah, just correction and and you know, and to be fair too, like I. I you know, part of that reason for them taking me fishing was I worked at the shop that fed them their trips, and they wanted me to feed the trip to them and not to Joe Blow across the street, and in return, I've probably fed both of those guys hundreds or more trouts over there. Yeah, I know, I still send like John Rowan's still my guy. Like people call me, I'm like Colle John. You're not gonna get a day with John, but John will steer you try that first. So I still like, you know, but I think that just if you have the opportunity wherever you live, whatever your fucking fish to be Caesars, whether it's trout or small mouth or whatever the fuck, your deal is, book a day with a guide. Now. Granted, a lot of guys won't take local guys fishing or they don't want to, but you learn a lot from that mindset, even if it's something the where that you fish often, you know, if you can get on the water with them, I think it just opened your eyes to how somebody who spends every day out there looks at a spot like or you know what, just be have integrity like Peter Brown will always take me out fishing because he knows he's never gonna roll up and find me sitting in one same with every one of those guys like if the opportunity, Peter is never gonna find me sitting there one with spot. So if you have integrity still like reach out to those guys like Peter always takes me when Like if I'm frustrated I'm in Islam, I can't catch fish, I can call him and go out and have an amazing dam in the water and he knows I'm not gonna like, he's not gonna roll up and find me sitting there. Well, and that's just it. Like, and the thing is, you gotta understand because I know guys that I've seen the argument before online. Otherwise we're like, well I paid money for you didn't pay money for his spot. Yeah, you paid money for his time, right, that's what you paid money for, and he gave you that time. Right. But you know it's intellectual. But David Mangham always said, okay, like, yeah, the water is everybody's, but my intellectual sweat in tears is not everybody. I don't. I don't follow the day. Here's my thing. I do. I think the work he's put in. You know, he has a right to lay a booie out. Yeah, and that's fine, And that's fine. If I rolled up on spot and there's a booey there, that's fine. But here's here's my deal is, Like, if I had booked David. If I booked David Magon and he took me to a sandbar or whatever we sit on this point and we fished for tarping on it, if I ever came back to that spot, he has an absolute point. Yeah, I have robbed his intellectual property. Yeah. If I look at Google Earth or whatever else, and if I find that spot but it happens to be one of David mangum spots, for him to tell me that I have no way of knowing of that spot unless I copied him or followed him around or whatever he thinks happened. Now, if I'm sitting exactly on his spot, that'd be a freaking nature. Chances are you'd be somewhere in the vicinity of his spot and you wouldn't be lined up exactly what You're probably fishing it wrong. Yeah, but you know there are fucking satellites from space, like, and if you kind of know what the if you know what the fish are kind of doing, you can be like you can narrow an area and you'd be like, all right, I'm looking for fish to come across some bars. And now I'm not saying David Mangham's area is very unique, and I get it is, but his he operates at least and then once again, I don't know you, David, so don't come out. Man. He doesn't really like what he's like his ship. But the thing is like the real estate is small, and he figured it out. The interviews that I've heard, it sounds as though he assumes that nobody could ever find those spots unless they copied him. Well, they just go to where talking. I noticed the water coming out. Get him, Get him, Paul. You know he's swim on in here, guys, and you can sit in Paul. Can you sit gussy Gus, you're at least you're at least forty inches getting girthy boys? What they call you a bull red? Now I'm many names. You might, I might, but I'm only Instagram. Hey, hey, u w D forty over there. I think that's angle with you one day in Bulls Bay. Boy, we've done a lot of tangle, and I think you bet that fly out pretty fast. Well I did. That's what I do. I'm doing. Man, Can you tell the difference between like I must have and I got my gutsu? Can you ship? No? They just they rust out. I get those things out of my mouth as quick as possible. I've got it quiet the collection, Mike, I bet you've been around. How old are you now? Hey? How are you guys doing? Man so good? Here? I've been wanting to bear to lie for a long time. Well, you keep you know, you keep cruising by, but I don't. I don't ever see up today. I slid on in here and uh uh Gus is my name? Yeah, man, Pedro hooked me up with you guys a few years ago. It's taking that long to get on the show man our recording schedule on the moon phases summer. You guys are over the damn place summer. Do you know a lot of permit? I mean your friends of Pedro? Do you know at permit? I did a little time and I did a little time in the Charleston Aquarium, Okay time, that's where I met Pedro's ant. There are a lot of permit, Griselda. Uh you know, as a matter of fact, that sure as hell was Doug. Yeah he knows there. Yeah, I did a little lock up over there. And uh I was there for three years and uh, you know, it gave me a lot of time to reflect. And uh, I wouldn't say it was good for me. You're bad for me. It's just it's just the three years I had in lock up over here. This was three years. Yeah, yeah, it's three years. So I'm out and I'm out about I'm not. I'm happy to trot, hot to trot if you will. You look good. I'm feeling a good dug thanks, like like pumpkin. Yeah, yeah, so this time here, Yeah, this is the time for you guys asked questions you well, so, like I mean, this time here, y'all do get that nice kind of light ginger. Yeah, but you also coming towards the fall particularly, Yeah, you get a lot of blue in your tail. Yeah, what's that about you? When does that start happening? Happens a lot of your tail is good? Well, thanks, man, I appreciate that. Working out, working on it, working out, not so much working on it, you know what I mean? Uh, but yeah, a lot of people say it's what we eat, but really it's about as much as I like to dabble in that mushroom, Doug And uh, the more mushrooms, you do, you tend to get a little blue in the tail, and uh, that's just how it is. I'll be honest, that's just how it is. I love it was dying and those those mud are you eating a lot of shrimp right now? Nor mushrooms? A lot of a lot of I'm not explaining why they're being so weird out. Yeah, so this is the time of year where we dabble in mushrooms. June, July, August is not our favorite time. It's hot out there. We just kind of come and go with the flow of the current. I fucking hate it. I'm not gonna lie. I hate this time. Here. We we go up in these one foot areas for low tide. That's our time to just chill out, try to find a little shade in the sun from the sun. And you motherfuckers get on in there and work now. It's just it's it's all I can do. I traded. I traded my skinny boat out. My big My big boat ain't coming to map you know they call they called that the number one hole over at the old skiff Coke. Yeah, you know that. Yeah, I did, I did. Bug I like bug man I like him. He doesn't fish a whole lot any more, thank god, because that's why I kind of like him a little bit. Yeah about Wild's right, Wilds Drake. He's building these. I'd rather not even talk about them. I mean, I'll be on any they get up, shall they do? They do? And Puckets got one of them. I know he does. I know he's got one of them. It surprised you sometimes, you know, what what's he doing. He's a little top heavy so that that boat don't come in as skinny as it probably quite should, which is fine with me, you know what I'm saying, Fine with me. Yeah, you hear you gear him dragging his ass. Hear his ass coming from a mile away, Mike. And you know it's funny because you know he's from Texas and I'm actually from Texas originally, I'm not from Texas. My family line heritage comes from Texas back in the eighties when they decimated them redfish back in the day. It's not an old trail tears thing with me. And uh, they went on it was black on this, it's black and that, and uh, next thing, you know, there ain't no goddamn redfish and walked him out, and I'm I'm I'm there's old Bobby over there shaking. Uh so, I'm I'm kind of what's left at that family line. And uh they they when they stocked the hell out of this area back in the eighties. I'm kind of what's left of that damn. Yeah, Matilda is my mom's name, and Gary Junr Is my daddy's name, and they came straight from that losing Ina brood. Now, speaking of names right now round here round here, other than your actual name, Gus, which we all know, but other than that, we call you redfish around here. But yeah, like you get a little further north and north kind of boys, I've heard puppet drum. I heard channel bass. Yeah, I heard yeah, you know, spot tails a little common down here. I gets ridiculous. Red fish is you know, you can call me what you want. I ain't gonna be offended by nothing. Red drum, I mean even red drum drum. I like red drum. I like red drunk because you know, when you catch us, we've been known to drum a time or two. And that's fine. That's a good drumming. Now, if you're going to call me channel bass, you might just get the hell out of here. That old channel bass thing. I don't want to be in the same damn rumor as large amount back drums sounds like an insult to me, you know, when we're kiddies, I get that, but call them channel bass. You can go to hell with them. You can go to hell with that channel bass bullshit. How about old rubber lip ginger back? Now, I like that, like that rubber black rubber rubber lip ginger back. I used to know a girl. I called her that and uh she uh, she wouldn't much look at but boy, she was a tiger in the sack. Dug, you know what I'm saying. She was a tiger in the sack. How do you feel about like when they compare you to other fish, Like some people call them like Carolina bonefish or something. So I Pedro Carolina permit or something. Buddy's little boy would call Ali Dan he's a carp and uh and they call carb you know, sometimes the bro bone fish because y'all can go in like pretty bractice waters. Yeah, cross paths. We laugh at it. It's just funny, Like it's just these people that just wish they were catching bone fish. They want to call the redfish a gingerback bone. What the whole thing is stupid? You know what's like stupid? My favorite now, my favorite is a grass bass. Really now, I like that. Now. We had a band back in I think it was eighty seven, and we were we were called the Grass Bass and uh, and we were a group of five guys. We were all the grass Fire fast By and uh. You know, I thought that gone gone away since I didn't know that the people were still saying, I have a question. Yes, an old boy like you, the size of you, God, damn, you're a big rad fish. Do you do you ever get up in the grass and tail anymore? You know? I just go where my dashboard, Jesus tells me, And uh, sometimes that sometimes that's in the Sometimes that's in the grass. Sometimes it ain't. And uh and that's fine, Like if it's a good tide, Yeah, sometimes it's in the grass. Yeah, sometimes it ain't. Like I notice, like some of your cousins, like me and them run into each other, and every once in a while, I'm like, what the hell are you doing up here? Yeah? Why are you? We got to play that. We gotta dance a little bit. So there's something you guys need to understand. We get a little jumping when we see someone like you. Well, let's say there's forty of us in school, okay, okay, and we stick together and we take a couple puppy drums, if you will with us. But there's forty of us, you know, we get up on that grass, on that flat. Now we feel a little freaked out because we're in a foot of water. We like three feet of water. Sure, now, Osprey, Jesus will come down, and he'll come down and get you and put you to sleep. He can't get you there. We learned when we were three years old. One year old. Stills with us since we were seven years old, still in our broke, in our bloods. But we get up there. And you got to remember, we don't all get up on the flat now. Of forty of us, there might be just six of us to get up there because we got to protect our lineage. Yeah so uh but yeah, so anyway, so what can't drop it on my table? Where'd he got? Sorry? Man? I dropped something off? Hey? Hey there he is? He can't d someone dropped the cooler lid or something got When are you guys are gonna stop drawing from the cooler lids. People say, boys, I was gonna ask you, anybody ever tried to tag you, like like a d NR tag like tag, like a group tagging, like a like a like a three way or something like a good old three way dog. What are you talking about? Like a like a tra tag in your back? Like? Is that what? There's a gold little stick? You have one? I don't know, No, you do. Really, he's right there. It's tangled. I never knew what they were called. We just get up to Heaven Jesus and the tag it's right in the grass. So we get caught. When we get caught, we call that above heaven. And uh we we don't even know what the hell is going on, like we were. You're holding your breath, we're holding our breath for we damn. Sometimes they pull out this little, this little square thing that holding their hand. It's black, and they're just sitting there aiming at us. And all I want is a goddamn breath of water. And they they and they drop us, and they keep holding this black square thing at us. We have no idea what it is, but all I know is that I want to get the hell back in the water. Take this damn metal thing out of my mouth. And that's that's all I know. That's all I can tell you. I don't know what's going on. It's hot house, but that's a tag. They call that a tag. Yeah, yeah, it's we don't know what it's for. We thought it's an alien and the Dutch thing by the color of yours, Yeah, it's been around a while. You're pretty old, man. Yeah it's grassy. So I'm living in the Wando now, boys, and I've taken on quite a tan. Yeah, water, you do it beautiful. I mean you are copper well a bronze that. I will say. There's nothing prettier than the Wando redfish fish take the color right. I appreciate that. Man. Yeah, well, I'm probably gonna get on that starting to creep out a little bit. And you don't get don't get Hey, you guys call me man down that old sloppy Jones. They call it slopping Jones. Yeah, Johnny, Johnny down with the Marina water. I'll show you slippy Jones, slippy slappy, slappy Sam snap Jhones Sam snot Yeah, over, guys, was fun. I was good. Oh my god, dude, that's a big right. Well, that's what I wish I could have been a part of that. I learned a lot. Did you ask the questions? No, I didn't. I didn't get a chance. I was so intimidated by the size of it. A few minutes for a case we're gonna get. I want to avert the camera. You know how he is about cameras. No, we're keeping it. Yeah, you gotta avert it to like Doug side or your He won't come in here for the camera available there. You got just get him off center somewhere. I think, out of that, out of that, out of that. All right, let me go get case. Okay, let me know when you're ready. He's no guess he's probably trying to run guests. Now there we go, Ma sack, MAO sack. Why is there this mano sack? Man Sa, mam sack. Let's all go inside sack the man s mal sack. Where Hello there, Ba? Did you see the size side red fish? It was tailored outside. Holy ship, you gotta in the back. I mean, that's a free teacher from you. That was he said that. When he went by me. I was trying to cast that. He was I'm grass of gools and I was like, fuck you. I was trying to catch a T shirt. That was a fantastic sound. He's awful dog to be up here on as wonder is that a camera over there? It ain't look at me? Is it okay? You know how I am? Says here st card Full. So I got a friend down in the comp agency that be named and says, You've been trying to make AI songs about me and it ain't happening, is it? No? No, I am a I proof. Well it's his full So you didn't. Yeah, that's good. I trust you about as far as I could throw you. We're just getting real short. I'll just put a big old picture of you when this part plays. Oh that's not how that works. You know, nobody knows. Richard. What do you think about all this stuff? Man? I think it's the Devil first off, and foremost I think it's Satan is Selfrey and corner. Secondly, I have prepared for this my whole life. I don't know what how many of your people didn't watch Terminator when you was kids, but you got to listen to Walking with Beca and Harley the song. We just made sure. If you must play that blasphemy, you can do what you want. I like the better words Mick and pollen a guitar. Here we go, let's do it. Let's zero here. They can't trust nothing, Holly taking the walk, shooting the bucking Holly, can't stop chance, Just take a step. He's a man, two step make talk. You loves laughing, Holli is on the run, chasing the dogs, just having funny holiday chest see, just wanting to cool down you head. Yeah yeah, yeah. It was like, well so his his lady and then the dog has been walking and the dog starts getting crazy with it. We just wanted to take a ship and yeah, go back. It's also to defend you. Yeah, but let me do that sounds more like a two step a beat, you know what. It sounds like you were talking of a bop. So Richie, you've been fishing much funny. Yeah, I've been out there, whold lot. I ain't seem nothing. Relax that goddamn refiend just swimming by me in your hallway. But I've been out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been a little tough, a little tough, you know, what's weird? We're getting hot. It's hot out there. You wanna temperature getting up? Get a little weird, you know the game ward and start showing up more gets hard to fish. What are you gonna do next week with this hurricane comes through here, I'm gonna stay put. Oh you are who's yard are in right now? Well? You know that depends on the hurricane because right now, you know where I man might be fine, But when the hurricane leads to a lot of people's yards become real available a little fast, and so I may't move myself a little high ground. Yes, you're always on the move. Always look man, when you live like rich A Ko. Wait, basically my motto is is wake up in the morning and see what the life brings you. And you know, so that's just how it works. Sometimes you gotta move, and you gotta move fast. And when the hurricane comes in, it just you know, for most people it's like a tragedy or something like that. But for me, it just opens up options. You know, it just cuts down on the people saying, hey, it's my yard. Know we moved on parking, Liz, you gotta keep your eyes open and your head on the swim. How that work? So how you guys been. It's been like a hart minicens. I've been up in there. We've been good. Yeah. I heard everybody went to tarp vision. Nobody that RICHI fake. You know, I went tarp vision, but I didn't go top vision when nobody you don't do clear water tarbor fishing early. I like a good slow swing of a live cram down next to him, Bridge Pylon. That's my Tarboro vision. Yeah, it's so nice. Yeah, I never realized your real names Pylon, Yeah, Pilon, Richard, Pylon case sir. Yeah, it goes way back. You know, it goes way back in the family. H you know, well water people, right, so you know why people often have like names like that, like names. Yeah, and my uncle name is a pylon, and you know they I like it. I like it. It's strong, it's strong, sturdy. You tell your boat off to it. Yeah. Yeah, you've probably got a lot more jarbing than we did. Why you know, I may swinging a crab sounds pretty good. Yeah. We called a dozen or so and then then you know we only hate two of them, but uh, we we caught. We caught quite a few. You know. It is one of these rich Cazo. Don't go fishing without thinkings on my home. You know, the guy pay the taxman, and then when you go talvision, the taxman is Richie Keso. So I got a mail sack. Uh, you're ready for a letter from a mail sack. Rich always read, I'm gonna give you one as well. Uh, let me get I love the one people ride into rich Cazo because Richie Canso don't get no mail, right. This one's from Red Clay Straight at gmail dot com, ad bad gmail dot com. I don't know is it the real people? I don't know? Is it the real I don't know, said Richard. HAVE been following you a long time and I've always wond what is a Cleveland steamer? Do you think you could will answer that question? This is a sensitive subject because I don't know the davergery to the listener on this fucking bodkiss. Oh, let's see. It depends on where you are, and it depends on the situation. The last of my knowledge that Cleveland steamer involved a defecation onto a person's chest. Now that could be mistaken for uh podcast, I know, but you didn't tell me what look I don't there yet. Okay. Look, so the other Cleveland steamer could be, you know, just like I don't know, carp fishing on the Ohio River on really hot day, but most people associated with the turret on the chest. That's just that's how that goes. So yeah, Cleveland steamer, hot day on the Ohio turn on the chest, your chest, your choice. All right, So I got one for you here. This is from Austin Hip at gmail dot com. Hi Austin, Austin Hip. Yeah, hey, awesome, Yeah, Austin Heaven Gmail. He said, is it better to pee from the front, the front of the butt or the back? Stupidest, easiest question to have to answer. Wind direction, that is the answer. If the wind is blowing from the back of the boat, you be off the front. If the wind is blown on the front of the boat, you be off the back. If you do anything in the opposite of that, you're an asshole because now your pee is all over the boat. Rich in case, so maybe questionable and a lot of aspects alive, but an asshole on the boat here is not okay. Part B. Is it okay or not okay to dump in a bucket? Perfectly acceptable to been on where that bucket is situated. I mean, if the buckets in the middle of a restaurant, probably shouldn't do that. Good, Okay, if the buckets in the woods, yeah we're good. Yeah, I've got yeah, I love I'm giving helpful information here. I don't know if y'all notice this is from Alex Horton's six sixty six. Oh no, I know Alex may or may not have parked in some of his moving lots. Richard, are you a big fan of aqua dumping? Well, we were on the same kind of yeah questions, Richard Case who knows a lot about bat movements in in you know, uh abnormal situations, always think you know, yeah, so I get this a lot. Now. People know that I don't live in normal love, so they know I don't take normal dopes, so you know, they always ask me about like noble situations with that quat dump is like how strong is the current, right, because like if you take the aqua dupe and it just gotta sits there next to you for like the next half hour floating around, that's not pleasant. Yea. Even people that enjoy you gotta read the current exactly. Even people that enjoy their own brew. Don't want to look at it for thirty minutes, you know, like it gets weird. So like, yeah, if you got a nice strong current, taking it away, aquardumb away baby go part b right, yeah, your head. There's a lot of parts of these queens. Do you think we get her hold hands and awkward up together? Absolutely? Look, I have said this and doing this is the bumping. Somebody better hold my hand while I'm dumping, like that's the way it goes, like you get safety first, like you know, I understand I'm I'm pinching off a grumpy in the back. But look, also, would you rather would you rather hold my hand now? Or would you rather have to fish out of half naked Richard Kaso from the water, That is your choices, or let me die, which I hope you won't do. So you know, pinching grumpies are not you. You need to like hold my hand so that we're not swimming with the turds. Okay, all right, So how are the sails looking on? Uh? Oh my gosh, I am running out of coons to kill now. I mean, it's really getting crazy here. Like Charles has got a lot of raccoons. I don't know if you have a lot of raco raccords that mix out there. They you don't want to start harvesting squirrels for something. What could squirrel see? Squirrel something? Squirrels can't do a goddamn thing for Richard Kso come on some short of Now they South Caroline squirrels. Have you seen these things? They look like math heads. They don't have no fat nothing. They're just little skinny rats running around trees. Now you get up in the North Country, they got any big fat squirrels? Yeah, I could probably do something with something like that. The South caunt of squirrels, pay over sending down a Look, that big ass d fish couldn't have got too long. I'm going after guess you know, you know what was what's the time to say on that father? Nine twelve s? How many hours to thirty nine? Two hours and almost two hours? That's a good that's like an hour longer than we normally. The problem is we waited too long. It's like it's like, you know, it's the opposite of six I hold If you hold back for too long a woman, it goes real fast, right, Yeah, Yeah. Podcasting is the opposite you hold back, You're gonna get along. She surprises you. I'm gonna tell you you're gonna unloase some deep ship too on that fang, on that fang, it's spent on that fine, loving it. You're Bob raton. Bob has bothered me. What so so I guess last week maybe Will sent me a text and I had that video. I haven't seen anything about it. I didn't know anything about it. Will and I back in the day, we used to just say we'd be on our computers over twenty minutes. God, that thing like thirty seconds later ago, and then I'd wait two minutes ago, both working, you know, like it would be like fifteen minutes. Was back and forth going that than she meant that it's been on that fang. Oh you got that hawk to I was like that fan that fame. That poor girl. Apparently she lost her job after all. That was not you know, I think she's hilarious. I think he's already Honestly, I think I'm a married man. Look at the camera, the camera, but he sounds like somebody I would want to hang out. Not because that was just because she's probably a fucking hilarious cool. Yeah, somebody's wanting to get the cameras that ship like that, that's already got to set up things signing good for her and who cares good for her? Good for her? Look that that's that's the thing. Like everybody gets mad at the people to do this ship like that. But the thing is, so you capitalize on moments in your life. Now, if you try to drag it out to some weird extent like then you kind of get odd. But like capitalizing making a little cash on a moment, that's called being smart. I feel like any listeners out there, if you're still hanging in there, I think we had a good one. I think this is good and we started on a positive note and we ended on something and we need fun. I'm I guess it's hard for me. It's hard for me to say this, and I'm really not hating on anyone, but I mean, I listened to some other podcast out there, and it's it's hard to listen to us. I don't know and you hear, is the thing, Paul, I won't lie. I don't listen to many podcast anymore. Will I listen to our friends over at the Millhouse? You know as much as we talked about Andy. Yeah, I love like those boys love Nikki ye about that, so like, yeah, I listened to those fellas. The birthday to Sarah Ogi Watkins. Okay, well happy birthday and mouse got any birthdays my daughter will turn to and But my thing is like yeah, and it's nothing against you fellas out there that make podcasts like we're all I'm just lucky to be able to do it, you guys, because we have a good chemistry and we have fun and we don't force anything and no force anything. We don't plan any We just show oudly. Sometimes we just b only shove things up. Thanks. Thanks for the Hey and Graham, you gave me three bottles. I want you to know that one bottle actually made it to the flight of the podcast sponsor. Hey, hey, Graham, when I seen you a text message of a middle finger tomorrow at like seven am. Yeah, you know why. But I guess props sell people that do podcasts out there. I'm just proud of it, you guys, because we've never changed how we've done it. No a bit. We hate that Will's not here like back in the old dab logistics. That's not We eventually just need to have them on FaceTime and just needs to be like present because people do it where they don't even live in the same area. We have to figure out a way to where we can get Will just beyond one segment. We do like he could sit in his room in his house and like one segment. If you want to stick around for more, that's you. Up to you. But we need to nail because real Will is way funnier than the rest of us. The fact that we've kept this alive without Will in the room is really a miracle. Sure. I mean, nobody's talked about my haircut in a long time. Well, you keep a hat on, that's just look at that that I can find it for the outro. Oh yeah, we got to but yeah, we I do want to take a moment to appreciate because I get random people that approach me in public that like come up to me and and ask me, are you Mick, and like yeah, yeah. But it's just so it's so weird because I just assumed nobody listens to I met a guy work on the Righteous Gem scenes that it was like, oh my god, that is my dumb podcast and I can't STARp listening like a slow motion car crash. But it's like it's one of those things where like you rarely get people, and you're like, I didn't think anybody because we sit here in this room and we got these I don't really assume that anybody's ever going to hear what I'm saying. So when I do run into y'all, I'm sorry, hey, for one that if you've listened to all this, and for two, yeah, I was right. Everything I said is right, whether you like it or not. Are we gonna go on? Doug's haircut? Doug's haircut out tro Love y'all, Love y'all segment of belly Line, brought to you by Doug's current haircut. My god, but you look at it, Mike, look at it. This reporter seen many things over the years, but nothing like Doug's Carrant haircut. My god, so professional, so uncount How does it do better? Thank you boys,