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Why Not Today? Season 2 - Episode 1 with Chris Kane, an Ironman and Leslie's brother. · Why Not Today? with Leslie Kane

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Hello, this is Leslie and I am the host of the Why Not Today podcast.
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This is a podcast to celebrate people who have been courageous and said, why not today?
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I started this podcast in honor of my father, Patrick Kane, who often did say, why not today?
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I'm based in Reston, Virginia, a Planned community right outside of Washington, DC, and thanks
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for joining us today.
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And this is our anniversary issue.
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It's hard to believe it's been a year since I started this.
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We've had a recording episode every two weeks since.
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And so I thought, since it's our anniversary, how appropriate would it be to include one
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of my siblings?
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So I have my brother, my youngest brother, Chris, joining me today.
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So I'm excited to hear his or have him share courageous stories and maybe we'll throw in
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some courageous stories of my dad.
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But I always talk about where we met and where we connected.
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It's kind of easy with Chris because he's five years younger than me.
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But I do, it's funny, I do remember Chris, that the day that they brought you home from
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the hospital, they picked me up from Lank and you were there.
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I'm like, another one?
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You were number four.
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Another one.
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And there's two more.
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I know, I had to share my reign with everybody.
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But I'm excited to have you on and just have a conversation about courage.
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So Chris, why don't you introduce yourself?
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Tell us where you live and what you do and a fun fact about you that nobody might know.
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Hopefully I know it.
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Well, I don't know, maybe you do, maybe you don't.
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So I'm Leslie's brother.
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So that's who I am.
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Born and raised in Reston and then Sterling.
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So I didn't go very far until about a year and a half ago.
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So I now live in Denver, Colorado.
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Been wanting to get out here for a long time.
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So we finally did it.
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What do I do?
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I am in technology sales.
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I've been in cybersecurity sales for the last five years, working for a company that's headquartered
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in California.
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And yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, I'm your brother and you know a lot about me.
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So a fun fact.
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So I was married in an Elvis wedding chapel in Las Vegas on Elvis's birthday.
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It was your renewing of your vows, not your initial marriage.
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Correct.
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Same woman.
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Good.
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Unmarried, then remarried, just married and did it for fun.
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She shares the same birthday as Elvis.
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So it was her birthday and Elvis's birthday and we renewed our vows in Vegas and it was
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quite comical.
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That is pretty funny.
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And of all my siblings, I would probably think you were the least likely to do something
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like that.
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I would agree with you.
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I would agree with you.
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So well, I know you've listened to several of my podcasts and given me some advice on
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it, which I definitely appreciate.
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So let's start with what does courage mean to you?
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So I actually had to look it up in the dictionary to see what courage means.
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What does the dictionary say?
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So according to Merriam-Webster, courage is mental or moral strength to venture, persevere
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and withstand danger, fear or difficulty.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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That sounds like big and scary.
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It does.
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So what does it mean to you?
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So it's funny.
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You asked me about doing this and I was thinking about, all right, how do I answer this question?
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I think it is being willing to push yourself, get out of your comfort zone a little bit
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maybe, but also just being willing to do whatever you think is that thing.
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So for example, I've always wanted to move out west towards the mountains and Deirdre
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and I got close twice.
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It didn't happen and life circumstances presented itself and a year and a half, actually two
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years ago about this time and it worked out and we were like, screw it, let's go.
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So I don't think of courage as this big lofty thing and I fought a bear or something crazy
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like that or I jumped off a cliff, but I think it's more practical.
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Just being willing to do it and listening to some of your episodes before, it's like
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people made career choices or other life choices.
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To me, I think it's if you keep it at a simple or more basic level of is there something
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you wanted to do that was stretching you and then were you willing to do it and put in
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the effort and follow through?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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In all the episodes I've had, we've had people doing big courageous things and little courageous
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things and everything in between and sometimes it was just step by step courage, just taking
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the next step.
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I talked to somebody the other day, she goes, I haven't done anything courageous.
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I'm like, yeah, you have.
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We all have.
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It's not always jumping off a building or jumping out of an airplane kind of courage.
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It says little things and doing the things that make you happy.
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Colorado was a big move for our family just because we've always been local.
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I remember when you moved from Reston to Sterling.
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Oh my gosh, I was thinking about that actually.
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That was like.
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I think that was a bigger move and by the way, people listening Sterling from Reston
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is maybe five miles, eight.
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Maybe six.
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Maybe six.
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I remember you moving there and it's like, oh, we got to get shots and a passport and
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pack our bags and now ironically everybody else is out of Reston.
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I'm the only one that's still there.
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So yeah, courage is all kinds of things and definitely took courage to move your family
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out there and to start a new life and but I know that's always been on your radar.
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Just finally, it was the right time.
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Yes it was.
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By the way, I have jumped out of an airplane.
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I know you have.
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I don't want to do it again though.
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Wasn't that much fun?
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Somebody asked me the other day, she's turning 50 and she wanted to do it and she wanted
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me to, she said something to me about doing that.
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I'm like, enjoy.
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That is not on my bucket list.
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Yeah, I remember when you do that and it was nobody knew until after the fact.
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So luckily you were okay.
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It's good.
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Yes.
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So I know you've done other courageous things in your life.
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I know we talked about one a minute ago, which was big courage of lots of training and lots
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of commitments.
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You want to talk about Iron Man?
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Yep.
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So for the longest time I had actually I saw the Iron Man on TV, like when we were kids,
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I guess when they first started doing it.
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It was like on ABC Wide World of Sports, like even before ESPN and all that stuff.
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So I saw it and I was like, oh, okay, that's pretty cool.
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And then started doing triathlons and our friends, the Conrad's got me into that.
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So doing that, but I always had doing an Iron Man on my list.
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And for those who are listening that don't know what Iron Man is, it's a triathlon.
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So it's a triathlon.
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It's a swim, bike and a run, but the Iron Man distance, it is a 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile
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bike ride and a full marathon, 26.2 miles.
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So it's 140.6 miles in one day.
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So anyways, it was on the list.
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I honestly part of getting to the point of doing it was one of my neighbors, he did triathlons.
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We started training together.
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He wanted to do it.
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He was one of those.
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He encouraged me or nudged me.
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I nudged him and we both said, screw it, let's do it.
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So it's something that is doable for a lot of people.
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It just takes a lot of work and a lot of commitment, a lot of early mornings, a lot of lunchtime
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workouts.
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So it's a lot to do, but you can do it if you put your mind to it.
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So I've done it twice.
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I thought I wanted to do three in my 40s, two in my 50s and one in my 60s.
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What happened to that one?
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Is that still on the radar or is that shifted?
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So after two, I decided it just was, I don't know, I lost enough interest or my interest
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shift where I didn't want to commit that kind of time.
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So I mean, it's just a lot of work.
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Back to the whole of what does courage mean and all that.
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It's like, okay, to me, that's not like jumping out of a plane building, fighting a bear kind
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of courage.
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It's, I think, looking at the definition of Merriam-Webster.
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Can you persevere through something that's challenging or difficult?
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So training's hard.
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There's definitely days it was like, okay, I do not want to meet my training partner
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at the corner at six o'clock in the morning on a Saturday, go for a six hour bike ride
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and then come home and coach my kids lacrosse game.
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But it was cool.
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I mean, it's super exciting.
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It's hard.
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The first time I did it, I was extremely nervous and paranoid about screwing up, about getting
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hurt.
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I mean, there's danger involved, right?
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You start to swim with 2000 people that just start swimming at once.
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So that's kind of sketchy.
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But I was more nervous about like, okay, can I do it?
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Did I eat enough?
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Did I drink enough?
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And all the hydration stuff.
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So fortunately, the first time was, it wasn't easy by any means, but it worked out probably
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as well as I could have hoped.
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I had a time goal.
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I felt pretty good throughout.
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I didn't feel awful afterwards.
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And when you finished, it's like, it's super cool.
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Someone who's seen it on TV, there's the announcer, this MC, who probably doesn't do it anymore,
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but really famous statement of Leslie Kane, you are an Ironman as you cross finish line.
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So it's super cool.
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So it was super exciting and fun and hard and all that.
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And I think the interesting part was the second time I did it.
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So my training partner got injured.
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So I ended up doing it by myself, which a lot of training by myself, which was super
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hard.
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But when I was during the race, I was feeling good on the swim, felt really good on the
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bike.
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And I ran out of gas on the run about mile 11 or 12, which meant I had about 14 more
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to go.
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And I literally would walk a couple hundred yards and then maybe run a hundred yards and
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then walk a couple hundred yards and then maybe run.
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And I was not feeling good.
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I totally out of gas.
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Thought to myself, okay, what am I doing this stupid thing for?
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I'm going to quit.
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And that takes courage to keep going.
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I had a lot of mental arguments over this.
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14 miles.
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That's a long way to go.
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And it's like, okay, holy crap, how am I going to get this done?
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So it was hard for sure.
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Interestingly enough, what helped, I don't want to say it saved me, but definitely helped
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me was on the race course, they serve all kinds of stuff, power bars, cliff bars, all
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kinds of bars, drinks and stuff.
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One of the things that they serve is warm chicken broth.
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So the first time I did it, I'm thinking, why are they handing out chicken broth?
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I don't get it.
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Well, I found out the second time I did it because after a while of sucking down goo
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and Gatorade and energy bars, your body doesn't want that junk anymore.
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So I tried some chicken broth once I could kind of choke it down.
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And really what it does, it's got sodium.
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So it really helped replenish.
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So it was pretty amazing.
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Anyways, I didn't either.
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So I got to the point where I could walk a little further than run a little further than
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run a little further.
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So long story short, the second time took almost an hour and a half longer than the
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first time because the last 14 miles or so I was really struggling.
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And it was tough.
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I mean, honestly, by the time I finished and crossed the finish line, I probably should
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have went into the medical tent and got an IV.
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And so it was pretty hard.
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But while I was out there and I'd done all the training, the one thing I wanted to do
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was not finish.
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So it was definitely taxing physically because I completely ran out of gas.
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But anytime I think you get into particularly sort of an endurance event like that, it's
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more mental than it is physical at some point.
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So yeah.
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So lots of things you said about that is great.
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Just even saying you're going to do it and putting out there and then people are kind
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of watching and asking, are you doing it or you're not.
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And probably some people are expecting you to maybe back out like, okay, that's pretty
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big.
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And then I don't remember your second one as much as I do remember a lot about your
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first one.
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First I remember you did the Marine Corps Marathon and we went and watched that.
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And just watching that, like I am not a runner.
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And I watched that and I'm like, wow, maybe I could do that.
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I mean, just the excitement and the cheering people on and the adrenaline and the spirit
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of that was like, okay, maybe I could do that.
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Never did and I have no desire.
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But then I remember you training for your first Ironman.
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I remember us being at the beach.
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Oh yeah.
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I was going to take the kids to get donuts or something.
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And we pass you and it's pouring down rain and you're running and running and running.
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And I'm like, oh my gosh, on vacation, he's getting up with the cracket on and still running.
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And it was, I remember a lot of training and a lot of commitment and raising kids that
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were pretty young at that point.
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That was a lot of commitment to have to do that and getting up early.
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And I think it takes the courage to get out of bed and just put your shoes on and get
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out the door and finish.
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Well, I got to a point where I just would, my alarm would go off and I would stand up
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and start moving before I realized what was happening.
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Yeah.
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I know somebody who talks about getting up and getting motivated in the morning.
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She says, hashtag just go pee.
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Just get up and start the movement.
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And then you just go to the next step and the next step.
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But then I remember when you did the Ironman and we were tracking it and watching it on
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our phones where you were.
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And I remember it was nerve wracking to watch and just scary to make worried that you were
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going to be okay.
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I know mom was a mess when you finished.
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She was, I think started crying because she was like so happy that you're okay.
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You know, because that is a lot.
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And you said the mental, I think the courage thing, it's the mental, it's jumping out of
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the plane.
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It's like getting the courage to jump and how often you hear they just push you because
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you're ready that far.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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No, I mean, it was definitely cool.
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Super hard.
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Well, as I said, I had aspirations to do more, but I'm on to other things.
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Yeah.
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Good for you.
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Maybe a 207 mile bike ride is next on the radar.
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Oh, wow.
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So I'm really surprised your super competitive brother didn't do it with you.
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Yeah.
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I'll let you ask.
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You'll let you ask him about that.
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Okay.
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I'll let you ask him if I get him on here.
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So other things you can think of you've done courageous or in life seem courageous?
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I mean, sure.
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You know, I mean, I think there's lots of little things, nothing that stands out.
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I mean, as I said earlier, to me, I think people get locked in this idea of, you know,
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courage.
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What does that really mean?
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So I guess as I've been thinking about this and doing this podcast with you, just to me,
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it's a much more simple, basic thing of, are you willing, as I said earlier, to either
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push yourself out of your comfort zone or just push yourself and then commit to achieving
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whatever you're pushing towards.
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So I think there's elements of my life that I think are very deliberate and maybe more
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conservative and then there's elements where it's like, okay, yeah, I'll try an Iron Man
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or I'll try this or I'll do that.
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So yeah, it's definitely I think the little steps.
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And I think that's what I hope this podcast has given people is encouragement.
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Like somebody listening might think there's no way I can do an Iron Man, but they might
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do a 5k.
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I was involved with the woman's training program a couple of years ago and they did an all
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women's 5k.
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And there was a woman that, so it was all women doing it and I was kind of helping out.
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And so there were people all on the route, cheering people on with signs.
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And there was a woman that, I mean, she walked the whole thing.
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I think she had super bad knees, could barely walk.
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And yet she did this 5k and I remember her coming across the finish line last and everybody
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cheered for.
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You know, just the fact that she could walk that far.
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So it doesn't have to be big, it can be the little things.
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And I think what this podcast has done in the last year and the people I interviewed,
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it's given people permission to say me too.
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That in all different areas, you know, whatever that thing might be, whether it's the thing
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that somebody talked about or just in general to give someone courage to do those little
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teeny things that we need to do.
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Yeah, well, I mean, people used to say to me, just as you kind of identified like, oh,
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I can never do that around the Ironman stuff.
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Well, I didn't start running 26 miles out of the gate.
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You got to start.
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I put shoes on first.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there's, there's an element of crawl, walk, run to it all.
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And, you know, if you were actually to look at the training plan, it's, it's this stair
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step approach where you train and then you push and then you train and then you push
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a little further and you train and push a little further to where then when it comes
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time to do it, if you put in the work, I mean, I think my training program was 26 weeks long.
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And I, you know, I was exercising and doing stuff before that, but it was really a disciplined
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and focused training program for that period of time.
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But when it came time to do the race, I did the work and my, my brain and my body were
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ready enough.
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Yeah.
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Major accomplishment.
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So the other thing I was just thinking of a fun thing that you did courageous, which
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I don't think I'd have the courage to do is when, um, did you jump out of a helicopter
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to go skiing?
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Wait, no, I didn't jump.
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I mean, they landed.
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That's in the movies.
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No, I've done helicopter skiing, but they land it and you step out.
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Okay.
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I envisioned, but you still skied a pretty, not a, uh, uh, manicured perfect slope.
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That's everybody else's on, right?
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We were out in wilderness, which was fun.
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Super fun.
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I'd like to do it again.
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Can I borrow some money?
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Sure.
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Maybe from the pod, your, your, your why not today merchandise sales, you can fund, you
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can fund Chris's helicopter skiing trip.
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Okay.
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And I'll watch.
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I'm not going to join you on that one either.
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I'll get video.
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Okay.
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I'll do other things.
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So, you know, this is the anniversary episode of the podcast and it's ironically 10 years
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since dad passed away, which is really hard to believe it's been that long.
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And so he was a pretty out loud, courageous, nothing is impossible kind of guy.
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I don't think, you know, he was always problem solving what we could do.
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So anything you can think of share courage.
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I know I've actually pulled out.
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I mentioned this, but I forgot to grab it is the, um, eulogy that you guys wrote about,
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you know, he had a plan a, B and C and sometime it had to go to D or E. So lessons learned
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from dad.
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Yeah.
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So I think interesting.
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And this gets into kind of probably some, some deeper family kind of dynamics, but being
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the fourth and being sort of, uh, you know, not forgotten, but just, you know, as you
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get down to like, okay, he's still here.
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Good.
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Okay.
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Good.
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He's still talking about that the other night that they're number three and there, oh, it
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was actually Grace's husband, Braden.
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He was the third child and it was hard to find pictures of them.
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Like, yeah, Chris can relate to that one.
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Yeah.
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I've had, I've had mom say, oh, here's a picture of you.
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And she showed that to Deirdre and Deirdre's like, no, that's Brian.
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Anyways, the first week counted how many pictures are grandma's house between the two of us.
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Those of us who are thirds and fours have a different perspective than those who are
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ones.
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Yeah.
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Which is interesting that we all have different perspectives growing up in the same house.
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So, you know, I think with dad, you know, his, your, your comment about him always kind
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of, you know, being willing to do stuff and try stuff.
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I mean, I think one of the things that I appreciated about to some of his perspectives, but also
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I found frustrating at times was he had this perpetual element of buck the system, at least
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from my perspective, which other people, yeah, which, you know, I mean, I, I can appreciate
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parts of that.
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But for me personally, you know, a lot of things that I've done in my life have been
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much more deliberate and I don't have an issue conforming at certain points.
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But you know, when I, you know, kind of thinking back, and I don't know if this is courage,
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but certainly feel like he encouraged all of us to explore, but also enjoy what we were
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doing and make decisions around that kind of stuff.
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Because you know, I mean, it could be over in an instant, you know, think about him,
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right?
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I mean, he had that accident when he was in high school, you know, I think about me and
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my jet ski accident, I could not be here right now.
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You know, so there's an element of, of it could all be over and not sell everything
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and run to the hills and live, you know, live like today's your last day.
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But you know, I think one of the things that I took from him was sort of that enjoyment
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piece and you know, he used to always say, especially towards the end, like, I woke up
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on the right side of the grass, right?
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You know, and then I think about actually the day died.
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We're at our ski house in West Virginia.
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And Brian was like, we got to go home and it's dumping snow.
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It's one o'clock in the morning.
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And I was like, no, we're not going anywhere.
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So we wake up the next day and there's a foot of fresh snow on the ground.
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And Brian and I look at each other and say, well, dad would have wanted us to ski before
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we went home.
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So I mean, I take that hike to the top of that mountain that night though.
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Yeah, we did it that night.
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Yeah.
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And then we see the next day.
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Okay.
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Of course he would have.
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So, but I mean, that to me, that's sort of what one of the primary things that I kind
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of think back on and take from him was again, not this, you know, life's a party and perpetual
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enjoyment, but doing things, you know, I guess he could probably couch it in that, you know,
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do you work to live or live to work?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And, you know, I kind of joke, you know, with friends and like, oh, you got to work.
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I'm like, yeah, but the work pays for the fun I'm doing.
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Exactly.
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So, I don't know.
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That's the kind of stuff I would take or I think about and, you know, again, when you
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asked me to do this, I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to say.
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You know, I know all of us have different perspectives on that.
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I mean, you know, just looking at you, right?
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You quit your corporate job and went and started selling makeup full time.
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It's like, oh, holy crap.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Good for you.
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23 years ago.
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Which is crazy.
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But that, you know, that's just another, you know, just another way to sort of adapt maybe
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that outlook, you know, and yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, I would say that kind of stuff.
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I mean, I think, you know, his stuff of being Mr. Community was great, but also I just kind
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of looked at him.
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He was just our dad.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You know, and all those things that he taught us, you know, big and little.
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And so, I don't know.
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But yeah, I would say that that kind of stuff of just enjoying the ride.
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Yeah.
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And so people listening may not know this story, but he has.
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And so the logo is an eye patch and handlebar mustache because the night he graduated from
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high school, he got in a major car accident was thrown.
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I think it was 300 feet out of the windshield and they didn't think he was going to live.
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And so he always had an eye patch.
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And then he was in another serious accident before him and mom got married.
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And he was scalped.
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And I remember mom has a scar on her cheek.
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And I remember you said at one point, I thought all moms have that.
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I thought it was makeup.
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Yeah.
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But I remember being in high school and I wrecked his precious car and I thought, oh
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my gosh, it's going to kill me.
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Like I was scared to tell him he was out of town.
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And he came home with flowers.
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Or he first told mom, just tell Leslie, I'm glad she's alive.
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And that's what matters.
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And he brought me flowers, which was a good lesson that I've never forgotten.
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It's like, OK, a car is a thing, but a life is so much more important.
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You can replace a car.
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But then the thing we were talking about last night, which we were with Brian and Kelly,
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Kelly's our sister-in-law, and we were talking about our cross-country trip we took, which
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looking back was pretty amazing that they did that.
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And Kelly couldn't believe we possibly did that.
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We're going to tell all the stories on that one.
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But when I was 16 and you were 12?
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11.
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Yeah, 11 and a half.
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So our parents bought a 25-foot camper.
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And I don't know where they came up with this idea, but to drive cross-country.
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And not even our youngest sister, because Amanda wasn't even born, but Katherine was
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five weeks old when we left.
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And we drove cross-country and we were gone for five weeks.
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And as a 16-year-old with a brand new driver's license, the last thing I really wanted to
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do was be with my family.
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But it was a pretty cool experience in the fact that dad worked and we were able to travel
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and see all these things and do all these things.
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I do have a memory of when we were at the Redwoods and they were up, they're like, look
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at this beautiful thing.
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And we're like teenagers, like we might go back to sleep.
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You were, I was excited about it.
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Oh, you were?
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Okay.
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I wasn't totally different viewpoint, but that was definitely an adventure.
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I think the courage part there for dad was he let Brian and I learn how to drive a 25-foot
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motor home on that trip.
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And people can't believe that story.
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And you were 11 and Brian was 12.
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Yes.
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Yeah, that's a little crazy.
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It was on straight highways and they switched drivers, but I drove probably a third of the
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trip and I was 16 years old, which I think mom drove for 15 minutes.
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That was enough for her.
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That was kind of crazy.
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But all right, so we could chat all day, but we don't want to have four people with all
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our family history.
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So how, how or what would you say to encourage somebody to be courageous?
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To be what?
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Be great?
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Oh, courageous.
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I'm sorry.
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Yeah.
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I think just, you know, if there's something you want to do, you know, identify, you know,
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how do you get from point A to point B and commit yourself to do it?
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I mean, it's, I think back to my, our previous comments of, I think, I think people put barriers
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up like, oh, that's just too big or too hard.
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Right.
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And they don't do it versus it's just the thing.
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Whatever the thing is, and this is how you achieve stated goal of thing and just put
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your mind to it, which again, back to the Ironman example, right?
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I didn't start running 26 miles or riding my bike a hundred miles.
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It took me a while to get there.
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Right.
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So I would say, you know, just if there's something that you want to do, just be willing
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to do it, but kind of break it down at a practical level.
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Like, and don't, don't immediately dismiss it because it seems hard or too lofty.
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Yeah, totally agree.
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Just take that one step.
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Yeah, like one step.
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Be your friend, your friend's example.
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If you just got to get out of bed first.
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Okay.
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Well, that you go.
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Yep.
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Exactly.
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Well, this has been fun and I thank you for joining me.
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And it's been extra special.
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I'll have this as an anniversary episode.
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I did pull up the analytics the other day.
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And when I looked earlier in the week, it was 1,575 people had, had downloaded the episodes
29:41
and it was in 26 different countries.
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People had listened to, which was kind of cool.
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Like who would have thought this one's going to tip the scales so I can feel it.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It will.
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So, um, well, thanks for joining me.
29:52
And if you want to follow the why not today podcast, we're on Apple, iTunes, Google, there's
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a website now, which is just why not today podcast.
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We do have some merchandise, which I guess the sales are going to work to fund Christopher
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for going, um, helicopter skiing.
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I've got and T shirts and vinyls and I even have a, um, a jacket now, which is kind of
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fun.
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So, well, thank you again.
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And if you want to rate the podcast, review it, I would really appreciate it.
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And thanks Chris for joining us.
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Thanks.
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All right.
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Bye.