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The Crowned Clown | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 28 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is ATC presents.
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  Their Bucky Rambles. Were a couple of friends review
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  Korean dramas on a very special episode.
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  I have my guest today. Alex from the Holly been
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  podcasting Gasps how are you Alex?
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  I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
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  How are you? I'm so happy for you to be.
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  Here, we have been very friendly all over the socials for a while
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  now and I'm just so excited who have a fellow podcaster on and
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  to talk about a very special drama.
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  It is the very first sangguk AKA historical kdrama that were
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  covering on the biblical rumbles podcast ever.
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  So I just wanted to break it in with a wonderful guest who was
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  willing and able to watch a psychic.
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  That is not One's cup of tea. If you don't know Alex she has
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  her own podcast, a k-drama podcast or Holly you podcast,
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  and she is just wonderful. Please go give her podcast a
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  listen. Please go give it a follow.
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  All over the socials as well. Alex, what was your introduction
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  to kdramas? So my introduction was one that
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  I think was one for a lot of other people.
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  It was Boys Over Flowers. Yes, but I didn't watch it.
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  Until like the end of 2018. So it's like lately to the game.
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  Wow. Okay, so you watched it almost a
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  decade after it was aired. Yes, I was actually in grad
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  school. So I was working full-time and
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  doing grad school and I was online.
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  But my school got hit by a hurricane.
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  So we were out of class for like a month was my last semester.
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  Wait, well, hurricane was this? Because I live in Florida, it
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  North Carolina. I don't.
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  Ok. Ok.
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  So as well as goes, yeah. Got you, I don't remember which
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  one it was, but the name of it was, but it was one of those.
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  Like I was I'm I was in North Carolina at the time but I was
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  Inland. So it was fine.
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  Yeah. But like obviously my school
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  wasn't like it. Wilmington got hit really hard
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  like you can't even get in for the longest time.
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  So no school for a month and that was the first time in
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  almost two years. I had free time.
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  So I was like, I don't know what to do and I'd like to just kind
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  of Netflix and I was like, you know what, I had heard a Boys
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  Over Flowers from the from, like the manual or the mango or
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  whatever. Yeah.
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  Yes, says like I'm gonna watch this and then at the same time
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  as when M Garden was airing. Oh shit.
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  That's right. The Chinese remake.
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  Yes. So I literally went from from
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  Boys Over Flowers, like binged it because it was amazing.
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  Even, you know in 2018 it was it's so good.
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  Like it's bad. Like it's cheesy but it's great.
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  And and I went straight from that to like Meteor Garden, and
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  that's not just big step up to like, it is like the end of your
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  same story. Over again.
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  It's the same thing but they made some improvements like
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  surgical Cuts is just very good. Very well done and I can't
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  believe you just got skip to like you know it's hot.
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  I don't think I made the jump to like a Mandarin language drama
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  for like years. They took no really I'm too yeah
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  almost wasn't immediate like you've made the jump real fast
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  II, jumped ship from Korean dramas like immediately.
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  So with that and I just went through like Taiwanese dramas
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  for a while like for a Longtime the Taiwanese dramas are like a
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  whole other ballgame. Yeah.
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  Nice. Yes I did that.
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  And it wasn't until I got into Kpop later.
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  That I kind of went back to the Korean dramas.
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  Nice. Okay.
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  Full circle. Full circle, love it.
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  Yes. So if you if you don't know
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  about Kate Boys Over Flowers, I highly recommend you go research
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  it. I not sure that I would still
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  this day, I'm not sure if I would say, watch Boys Over
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  Flowers but it is foundational for so many people foundational
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  for me. It was like my second kdrama
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  ever and I came out of that drama loving it and I was madly
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  in love with Lee Min-ho right? I mean so yeah yes so there is
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  if That was a tree that would definitely be a ring on the
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  trees like the Lehman haut de Lulu era.
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  So anyway, in that era, oh good, I love to hear it.
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  Thank you so much for giving your background on kdrama.
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  I am going to ask this of more guests as they come on because I
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  think that's always a fun question to ask.
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  How did you even get here? Because it's nice.
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  Never like a natural. Like, well, I was watching.
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  Ting. Once Upon a Time on ABC, Family,
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  and then they showed a kdrama right after the show ended and
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  is very natural. No, and never, it's not like
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  that, not that easy. Again, I'm going to go into some
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  housekeeping really fast before we get started.
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  You guys are wonderful. All right, so we're going to get
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  started talking about the synopsis and the are day and all
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  that for the Ground clown so I'll read them.
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  I'd Ramallah synopsis. I have cut it down tremendously
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  because it was long and weirdly written.
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  So here's here goes, Jocelyn is in a state of disorder, due to
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  uprisings in a power, struggle surrounding King, even to avoid
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  assassination, a clown named Hassan who looks almost
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  identical to the king is brought to the Palace to take his place.
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  Now, Hassan is nervous that someone in the palace will find
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  out, he's not the real King. He falls in love with the
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  beautiful queen. You saw.
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  So the crown clown originally aired from January to March
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  2019. It's 16 episodes long and I
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  believe you both watched it on Netflix, so it's currently
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  available on Netflix. If you want to watch it yourself
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  it has Kim. He won as the Director.
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  She is a very prolific director because she's directed Vincenzo
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  soundtrack. Number one and Little Women,
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  which is currently airing right now in the year 2022.
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  And actually we just covered Vincenzo like an episode or two
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  two ago in this currencies and that we're on.
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  So that's wonderful. You can just scroll back in your
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  podcast feed and listen to another Kimmy.
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  One drama. The ground clown was written by
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  Kim Sun duck and there's not much info on the screen writer.
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  I think that he wrote another Saga but it's quite unclear.
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  So I'm not going to go ahead and say, like he wrote this, I don't
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  know, and it's co-written by shouldn't happen.
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  She is a wonderful screenwriter who wrote Hometown, Ted chaough
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  from 2021. So, I kind of get the feeling
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  that Kim Sun duck. It's brought a lot of the
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  historical and Saga aspect of it.
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  And then she known wrote, probably a lot of the more
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  tender moments throughout the show because of how her work on
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  Hometown, chatter child. Let's just divide that I get, is
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  very good show Stars. Yes, I'm Tasha definitely watch
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  it. The show Stars Yeo Jin, goo as
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  Hassan and King Ethan he's been in about 13.
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  Movies including Hawaii a monster boy which is an action.
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  Since this action suspense thriller with an All-Star cast
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  and he's been at about 25 TV shows, he's played pretty much
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  every vert younger version of an actor.
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  You could possibly think of and he was a prolific child actor.
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  So it's kind of weird for a lot of people to see him grown up
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  and play a more mature roles. We did Cover a judging go drama.
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  Last Is it on their back? And that was beyond evil.
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  So that was the 2021 drama. I think for 2022 people might
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  recognize him from link. Eat love kill you might
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  recognize him from hotel, de luna, my Absolute Boyfriend.
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  A lot of Dramas, he's very, he's got a very well-known face.
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  I would feel like you could probably be like oh, it's that
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  guy. He's co-star.
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  Is he saying? As she plays Queen Stone?
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  Also a child actor. And she's been in dramas since
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  2002, and you might see her recently in the Reds leave from
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  2021, which was up for a bunch of facts on the wards and was
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  really well, received, critically, and commercially.
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  And recently, I think she's on the currently airing drama.
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  The law Cafe. Are you watching the law Cafe?
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  I'm not, I've never even heard of it.
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  Fair enough. Fair enough.
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  I'm not going to knock you for watching.
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  Curly, are you drama? I am constantly trying to play
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  catch-up. So yeah, that's a whole nother
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  story for me. A lot of kdrama washers, but you
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  saying is a great actress, the supporting actors.
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  I'll go through two of them because there's a lot of actors
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  in this drama but just two of them.
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  Kim Seung Ki young as Chief secretary and he's been in like
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  nineteen movies, including the pirate. / Royal treasure from
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  this year 2022. And I think this is pretty big.
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  He started memories of murder from 2003.
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  He played Detective salt alien Big deal.
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  He's been about 14 TV shows, including most recently
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  racketboy is from 2021. And then, we also have one.
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  Hey, he'll as she's to the left State Chancellor, buzz, buzz
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  word in any psychic trauma. He's another crazy.
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  Great idea. She of kdrama and K Cinema.
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  He's been in about fifty two movies.
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  He's been acting since the 90s. I think I saw him last in
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  Peninsula from I need 20, which is the train to Busan Sequel and
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  then he's been in 47k, trembles including winter Sonata from 20
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  2002. My name is Kim Sam Soon with
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  hyeongbin from 2005 Cain and Abel, which is such an
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  underrated kdramas knee. He's been in lie to me, which
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  was my first kdrama ever jealousy.
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  Incarnate searched www from 2019, which we also covered this
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  season on the pod. P on Netflix.
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  That's a 2021 drama. And I think most recently
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  forecasting love and whether off from this year 2022, you watch
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  that one? No, no I did not.
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  So I sometimes my tone gives away like how I feel, but I'm
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  not a song kong person so it takes me a while to go through
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  his filmography. If I even like get there and
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  then POC menu and I was like, you know, whatever she's doing
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  like Same thing over and over. I love her and I actually have a
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  little bit of a weather nerd, so I was like, super excited about
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  it and I made it like four episodes before I dropped it.
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  Oh shit. Okay, so I'm okay and yeah
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  thinking yeah no I really need a maybe post hurricane because
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  I've watched her kdramas post hurricanes and those are such a
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  weirdo state that you're in but here watching a gauge on.
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  Okay, so we are on the other side of who's behind the camera
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  and who's in front of the camera.
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  Alex, tell me, what are your general thoughts on the crowned
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  clown? So, the first episode took me
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  three weeks to watch because I hated it and I actually ended up
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  really enjoying the show somehow good night.
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  All right, the the first episode was miserable to get through.
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  But after that, I think all the side characters are what sold it
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  for me. Like, honestly.
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  Like, I love you. Oh, jingle.
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  Like, he was one of the first actors that I probably
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  recognized in movies or in dramas because I watched Hotel
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  Del Luna and Absolute Boyfriend, like back.
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  To back and do my son. And I was like because I really
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  liked it, but I was like, just great and that was also my
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  introduction. I you I had no idea who she was
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  and Hotel Del Luna, right. Right.
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  Are you the fairy goddess Queen? Right?
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  No idea. I was like, oh, she's great.
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  I love her and then everyone was like, yeah, no kidding.
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  So how does I was really excited?
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  Because I'm not a big like, like historical drama person anyway,
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  but I was like, it's not looking good.
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  It's fine and and know No, he did not carry the show for me at
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  all. Um, really okay.
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  So um, the the character development of like the the side
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  characters though when getting to know them I just I loved it.
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  It was there so good and like a eunuch Joe was adorable.
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  Yes. So there's some people that
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  you're like you leave a drama and you're like they are some of
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  the heart of the show he and he was so cute what's adorable?
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  I would die for that man. He is Lovely.
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  Just absolutely wonderful. Okay.
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  So you were sold on the side. Characters weren't really even
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  though you loved you didn't gu you were not sticking around to
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  finish the show necessarily for him.
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  His acting was great, like, absolutely like being able to
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  play two characters and make them feel like, two different
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  characters is such a hard thing to do, but but I just, I hated
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  both the characters. Well, let me ask that, like, why
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  did you Hey, those characters because he is playing two
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  different routes. So so the OG King, I don't
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  remember Lee. Hyung.
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  Yeah, without getting too much into spoilers.
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  He's just kind of a jerk all over like, no matter what he was
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  mean to literally everybody. And I'm like, I just not here
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  for the toxicity. Like, yeah, it's sort of, it
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  makes sense. Like, as you kind of get to know
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  more More like, what's going on? It makes sense, which is why I
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  think it got better for me towards the later in the show.
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  When you start to figure out everything out a little bit more
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  but like in the first episode where it's just like, he's just
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  like doing his thing. Killing a lot of people and I'm
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  like, this is pointless. Um, okay, I see you weren't
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  quite gelling with like the political know I'd about it all,
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  okay. And then for like, Hassan, he he
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  got better towards the end, but it was like, I don't know what
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  it was about him, but it was just like he was just kind of
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  like doing things that didn't make sense and not always
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  listening to people. And then just Which I mean, I
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  guess it fits his character like, like it makes sense, but I
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  just didn't like, like, I everybody's infatuated with him
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  for some reason and I just wasn't like in the show, like,
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  people were like, oh, I kind of love you, You're great.
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  And I'm like, is he? Okay.
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  So let's put a, put a book Yak on that because I really wanna
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  dissect that. But for my general thoughts, I
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  thought this was one of the best Saga books I have ever watched
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  in my life. Of that.
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  You got me so worried because you were sending me messages
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  saying, it took me three weeks to finish episode one, and I was
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  like, what? Like that it started it yet and
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  I was so worried. I was like, oh shit, what am I
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  gonna do? I don't have like three weeks to
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  just spend on one episode. So I was like, really bugging.
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  So I watched this show within a week.
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  All 16 episodes within a week. Took me no time.
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  Had no issues getting through the episode.
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  Thuds episode 1 was I found a very great episode, really good
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  ended on a cliffhanger. Showed you everything you needed
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  to know all the players involved.
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  The factions or the political aspects that are at play here
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  and I think ultimately I was sold on this.
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  The story that's basically inspired by Mark Twain's The
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  Prince and the Pauper. Blueprint where someone is
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  replacing another person. There's doppelgangers involved.
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  And even though it's kind of one-sided because the king
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  doesn't replace the clown, you know what I'm saying?
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  I would have been sired. That would be you know what?
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  The way to the right things but they didn't do that.
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  It was just one-sided. Really liked you watching Goos
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  acting. Yeah.
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  It was a great away Blown Away by his acting.
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  I thought that he just had so much versatility.
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  One side of him was alarming and unhinged and then the other side
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  was incredibly endearing and righteous.
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  And I think the scenes that really spoke to me for his
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  performance were the ones where he was acting against himself
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  and there were precious few of them but they were so
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  captivating to watch him playing off of himself, which again,
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  Parent Trap that somehow because there's no way that he's in the
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  same frame at the same time. So it's really cool because he's
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  probably playing off of nothing when he's filming it but then
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  they you know CG is superimposed whatever both of them in post
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  and it's just really cool to see him play.
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  This really crazy King who actually existed like a lot of
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  these characters and politician. Ins are based on real-life
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  politicians of you're in Korea. So, I caught a like, oh my God.
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  Now it's like a semi historically accurate, not
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  historically accurate with a, with a clown taking over the
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  Kings, but doc, doesn't, that's not part of the history.
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  But I do like when I like when Saga Cooks, take a seed of like
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  a story in history and blow it out of proportions and that's
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  what this show is, I didn't have that much issue.
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  With the political aspects, I find that over time.
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  I have gotten a lot more comfortable with Palace,
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  politics and etiquette, and all that crap.
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  That's in the historical. Dramas, if you had asked me 10
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  years ago, what I thought of this drama or whatever and you
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  made me watch it back then I probably wouldn't be so up on it
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  because of all of the political machinations that are happening
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  throughout the show. Yeah, I think that was a lot of.
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  My problem is, I've only watched like two or three other like
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  historical dramas. Okay.
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  All right, let me know if you had any questions later on in
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  the spoiler section because I can try and answer them for you.
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  I was trying to figure out stuff too but then I was like I had
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  this thought in my head I was like man I don't know if Alex
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  has watched a lot of Psychics. Maybe this is like a like tough
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  anyway. What can talk about that later?
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  But you know one thing that I know 10 years ago I would have
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  liked as much as I loved today was the romance between Hassan
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  And the queen. Um, what did you think of that?
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  I felt really bad for the queen early on when it was like she
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  doesn't really know what she's getting into.
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  Um, okay. Because like, she's just clearly
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  like falling for him, but I wasn't sure how I was going to
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  end. So I was like, this is going to
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  maybe devastate her at some point.
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  Um, so I feel really bad for her on that end, but the actual like
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  Rome edits from itself. I'm a sucker for romance.
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  I was here for it. I was here, I was like eating it
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  up like it was a five course meal as well.
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  I loved you so long as the queen, I had only seen her
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  before in the red sleeve, which is another Saugatuck, from a
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  recent Saga house. Like she is amazing in the red
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  sleeve uncredible show, incredible performance.
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  And I thought, when I saw her as a queen and this y'all was like,
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  what is homegirl going to do? Because she has in my personal
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  bias opinion, or whatever. She has huge shoes to fill and
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  they're her own shoes. What am I gonna do if she was,
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  like, knock if she's not that good?
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  Good in this. She was great.
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  She was great, she was wonderful Queen, I found her character.
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  So quiet, graceful, gentle sweet, a dignified and all these
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  aspects that sometimes in Saugus, you don't have a love
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  interest that meets all of these things, wonderful criteria.
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  You know, she was very intelligent and intuitive,
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  especially when it came to Palace Affairs and etiquette.
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  And ultimately, I admired how she had a way with words.
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  I found that she was a Rate Sweet Talker.
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  Yeah and she had the most romantic things to say.
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  I was like, homegirl. He is whipped already.
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  You don't need to do this. Like this is extra and it was
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  just beautiful, beautiful. I think that to your point to
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  talk about some of the other side characters, I found that in
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  general, most of the characters were painted in Shades of Gray.
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  There were not like black and white good and bad characters.
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  So I think on the surface there are but if you look a little
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  closer, you're like, wow, these people have valid motivations or
• 21:40
  they have a really interesting backstory that makes them
• 21:44
  interesting to juxtaposed against the other person that's
• 21:48
  on the good, you know, quote unquote team for the, you know,
• 21:52
  clown. And I love that about the show
• 21:55
  that you can. You can chew on the fat a little
• 21:58
  bit on the other side characters.
• 22:01
  And not just Is he oh my God, I'm messing up.
• 22:04
  His name, haasan's clown character and his doppelganger
• 22:08
  with the King. I think the last couple things
• 22:13
  that I'll say, is that I found this show to be kind of, how do
• 22:21
  I put it? Like, it was kind of like a loss
• 22:24
  of Innocence story in more ways than one.
• 22:27
  Yes, and that's really compelling to me.
• 22:29
  I don't feel like, hey, dramas necessarily are known for
• 22:33
  painting pictures of like, loss of innocence.
• 22:36
  And, you know, learning trial by fire.
• 22:40
  Fire and stuff like that. It's usually the person is the
• 22:45
  protagonist is Good from the beginning and they just have a
• 22:49
  lot of hardships, but they're still good throughout.
• 22:51
  And sometimes in this show, that's not the case.
• 22:55
  Like they go through a lot of moral quandaries and they have
• 23:01
  they asked a lot of questions of themselves and others.
• 23:04
  So I found that really great, you know, in a in any drama.
• 23:07
  That's a good thing, right? No, I agree.
• 23:09
  I think they Did a really good job of that.
• 23:11
  And like you said, with the Shades of Gray on the
• 23:13
  characters, I'm a sucker for a great character.
• 23:15
  Like it's one of those, it's a huge character can technically
• 23:18
  go either way. It's not always clear that
• 23:20
  they're going to stay on like one side or the other and it
• 23:22
  like would make sense for them to jump ship somehow or have
• 23:26
  some sort of ulterior motive that even if it's not like the
• 23:28
  main villain side a false and they go Rogue somewhere else.
• 23:31
  Like I could have easily seen that happen quite a few times.
• 23:36
  Yeah, for sure. I think something that bothered
• 23:39
  a lot of About the show. Is that a night in mind this
• 23:43
  though was that it feels like a to act show.
• 23:46
  The first Eight Episodes is kind of one story and then something
• 23:51
  happens at the end of episode eight like Ron that time.
• 23:54
  And then the last half of the show is a whole different act
• 23:57
  with kind of a different goal. And I like that about the show.
• 24:02
  I am, I think it made sense for that to happen though.
• 24:06
  Because yes, I do too. I think the big thing that we're
• 24:09
  trying not to talk about is kind of granted in The Narrative of
• 24:14
  the show. Like you just kind of think.
• 24:16
  Yeah, this was going to happen at some point, but I think a lot
• 24:21
  of people found that when that happened it like lost some of
• 24:26
  the dramatic tension, if found it elsewhere, that's all they
• 24:32
  gained it elsewhere. So, that's how I wasn't an issue
• 24:35
  for me, but a lot of people An issue with that.
• 24:37
  Yeah, I think maybe if I didn't, oh, go for it in jibt, all in
• 24:40
  like three days. Oh, II might have had more of an
• 24:47
  issue if I was dragging it out and like had like a week in
• 24:49
  between episodes to process. Mmm.
• 24:51
  And notice that like difference between like episode a even and
• 24:55
  nine like that transition already.
• 24:57
  But I I feel like watching it all almost like a really long
• 25:00
  movie, it just made sense how it shifted and I didn't bother me
• 25:05
  either like like I honestly didn't even notice.
• 25:08
  Yeah, yeah, like I said romance was wonderful.
• 25:12
  The score on this show was stunning to me.
• 25:18
  I'm a huge like movies. Soundtrack score nerd or
• 25:22
  whatever. And so when a kdrama is a good
• 25:24
  score, I'm like I sit up straight like I'm like oh my
• 25:27
  God, they're actually doing something, it's not just OST
• 25:31
  like this is orchestral score, you know what I'm saying?
• 25:35
  Hmm. Did you feel any type of way
• 25:37
  about the osc or the score? So with that was T.
• 25:40
  I didn't. I only noticed one song that
• 25:42
  actually had vocals on it. Like only one of them like
• 25:44
  normally I am all about the osts.
• 25:46
  Yeah. And I don't quite a few.
• 25:48
  And so I was like, oh, like when that one song Hit, I was like,
• 25:51
  oh, wait a second, there's been no vocals.
• 25:53
  But I had to take some notes on, like the score itself.
• 25:56
  There were some songs that were giving me parts and Caribbean
• 25:58
  Vibes which took me out a little bit.
• 26:00
  Okay. So you're getting Hans Zimmer.
• 26:02
  Yeah. Hospital fives from it.
• 26:04
  Yeah. And I was like, I don't know
• 26:05
  where this is. Coming from.
• 26:06
  And then every time there was tension, the, the score they
• 26:09
  would use for that sounds like the Among Us sound like the
• 26:12
  nearer. Oh, okay, a nice smooth.
• 26:18
  Look at comparisons and so outside of that, like I thought
• 26:22
  the songs fit very well, it would just be like a few things
• 26:25
  that kept taking me out a little bit like, like the among us
• 26:28
  know. I never I didn't get that but
• 26:32
  I'm not, I have not really familiar with Among Us.
• 26:35
  So I'll, I'll see if I can clip it out of like the drama.
• 26:39
  I'd like a find it in, like a monkey.
• 26:41
  Yes. And send it to you and it to me.
• 26:43
  Yeah. Because it just, it's so much.
• 26:46
  Oh damn, what's your okay? So what trip me up was in the
• 26:50
  score they had a love theme and it was stunning gorgeous but
• 26:53
  what soon as they started playing at the melody was
• 26:56
  recognizable to me and I was like where the hell if I heard
• 26:59
  this before? Before I was going nuts, I'm
• 27:01
  talking like 3 a.m. I'm trying to get Google to
• 27:03
  recognize what this this melody is.
• 27:08
  Playing it on like a keyboard, piano app, on my phone, like
• 27:11
  trying to like figure it out. I was like, have I heard this in
• 27:14
  another score before is it a classical piece of music?
• 27:17
  I finally figured it out. So the Love Theme they used was
• 27:23
  Franz Schubert's serenade. Oh, is a classical piece of
• 27:27
  music from the 1800s and I I lost my shit, because, you know,
• 27:32
  it's been a couple of days of just like Mania trying to figure
• 27:35
  out where the score is from, where they took it from, where
• 27:38
  is it from all this stuff? Finally, I find it.
• 27:42
  And then it's on YouTube with, like, 61 million views on this
• 27:46
  like, and this YouTube video super serenade as soon as I
• 27:50
  start playing, I'm like, like I will start crying.
• 27:52
  Like I was that's it. That's lumpy a lot of people
• 27:55
  might recognize the Love Theme though because it's associated.
• 27:59
  Added with the classic four seasons, kdrama summer scent
• 28:03
  with seungheon young and Legend song.
• 28:07
  That's a very old, not very old, but it's a classic kdrama from
• 28:12
  back in the day. And I conveniently have never
• 28:15
  watched Somerset. So I did not have any issues
• 28:18
  associating. You know, the Schubert song with
• 28:22
  their love theme in the show. And in fact, I really liked how
• 28:25
  they kind of added and changed the song.
• 28:29
  Bit to fit you know this show and how they didn't just stick
• 28:34
  Schubert song in there. They re-recorded it you know for
• 28:37
  the show and I was in love with it.
• 28:40
  I am so happy that I found where the melody is from and you can
• 28:43
  look it up yourself. The entire score is available on
• 28:47
  Spotify, which is how I like I found it and I was like where
• 28:51
  this is what I the Mania started because I was like, okay I hear
• 28:54
  the Melody and I can't find it anyway.
• 28:57
  That's beside the point. Anyway, let me give you some fun
• 29:01
  facts about the show and then we can give our ratings and then we
• 29:05
  can dive into spoilers. How does this home?
• 29:07
  Sounds good? Okay.
• 29:09
  So there is a very, very professional, you know,
• 29:14
  well-researched list on Wikipedia that gives you the
• 29:18
  highest rated series on cable television for kdramas.
• 29:22
  And the crowned clowned is sitting at number 24, so it's
• 29:26
  the 24th. Highest rated series on cable
• 29:29
  television, which is really good.
• 29:31
  Had high ratings throughout, I, you mentioned, Prince and the
• 29:36
  Pauper. So the whole show Crown cloud is
• 29:40
  a remake of the 2012 movie, Masquerade, starring evm gun and
• 29:45
  the queen in that movie is played by Han hyo-joo.
• 29:50
  From where's on YouTube? W0 leading lady from W.
• 29:55
  Yeah so I conveniently have watched that movie and it is
• 30:00
  excellent. I can tell you.
• 30:02
  So if you are not fully want to, if you don't want to fully
• 30:06
  commit to Crown Cloud right now and you just want to get a taste
• 30:08
  of what the story is. You can always watch this
• 30:10
  two-hour movie which won best film and director at the 49th.
• 30:14
  Baek zyoung Awards. It is an excellent movie.
• 30:16
  Highly recommended, I might have to watch it now.
• 30:19
  Definitely watch it. It's good.
• 30:21
  I remember thinking like this is cool.
• 30:23
  I vividly remember watching the movie and going, this is cool.
• 30:26
  This is cool movie. I'm like, well done, almost
• 30:30
  everyone, like I said before, except for the clown, Hassan is
• 30:34
  based on a real historical figure of the Choson period And
• 30:38
  I have in my notes. I said this is a question to
• 30:40
  myself. Did this win any awards?
• 30:43
  Question mark question, mark, question, mark.
• 30:46
  It did, it did win awards at the 55th Back song.
• 30:49
  Arts Awards, judging, goo was nominated for best actor and
• 30:54
  actually didn't win. He didn't win.
• 30:55
  So it's just sad. But anyway, Kim Sung, Kyu, young
• 30:58
  witch who played he played? Chief secretary Hawks on.
• 31:02
  He was also nominated for best supporting actor in which is
• 31:05
  great. So, they were nominated.
• 31:07
  They were it's just an honor to be nominated.
• 31:09
  Just like it's an honor to be nominated for an Oscar.
• 31:14
  I wish that they had one and I think that's all for my fun
• 31:18
  facts. What would you rate this drama
• 31:22
  out of five Soju bottles? Three and a half.
• 31:26
  I think three and a half. Okay, I am in a rated. 4.5 4.
• 31:35
  So, 2 bottles out of, I love this show.
• 31:39
  I had a great time with it. I think that if you like
• 31:42
  political shows and you're definitely going to like it.
• 31:45
  If you're a fan of really good, sweet, humble romances then
• 31:51
  you're going to like the show and if you like yaojin goo,
• 31:55
  there is nothing that I can say that will deter you from
• 31:58
  watching the show you should definitely watch.
• 32:00
  This is like a Master Class. It's from your jinguk, I swear.
• 32:04
  Okay, so with that, I think we're going to get into spoilers
• 32:08
  right after this. You want to come in?
• 32:18
  All right Alex run the other side of spoiler.
• 32:20
  So anything goes where would you like to start about this show
• 32:24
  and talking all things spoilers? Gosh, um, the endings what's
• 32:32
  fresh on my mind but I kind of want.
• 32:33
  Okay, listen about the ending. So let's talk about this.
• 32:37
  I also had some qualms with this ending which is why I gave the
• 32:42
  show a 4.5 instead of a 5 Stars, the ending.
• 32:46
  And I mean ending is in the final 20 or so minutes of the
• 32:49
  chest. Not the full hour because a
• 32:52
  full, there's nothing wrong with the flowers.
• 32:54
  Just the last like, 20, 15, 20 minutes of the show.
• 32:57
  It was a bit agonizing because I didn't think they necessarily go
• 33:01
  that route. I mean to me, it almost felt
• 33:05
  like what else could they possibly throw at us?
• 33:08
  It's the say it to me. It was almost the same as if
• 33:11
  you're cooling down after a workout, you're trying to get
• 33:14
  your heart rate down, you're stretching your doing all this.
• 33:17
  And then, the trainer comes in out of nowhere.
• 33:20
  And I can't drop and give me Honey, that's what the last 20
• 33:22
  minutes of the show felt like, because like, for what?
• 33:25
  Why did they have to go that far?
• 33:27
  Yeah. They had me, they cut me.
• 33:30
  I was so happy with like how it was wrapping up and then it was
• 33:33
  like, yes, wait, yeah, wait what?
• 33:37
  Yeah, that's exactly how I felt too.
• 33:40
  I felt that they were going about it the right way.
• 33:44
  They had, you know, I will accept a bit of a Time jump.
• 33:48
  They had he ruled for what? Maybe like a year or so they
• 33:52
  kind of made it seem like it was only a short period of time but
• 33:56
  it could have been longer. It was kind of a big it was
• 33:59
  about a year because they had talked about At one point, when
• 34:05
  the gisaeng I can't remember her name, but when she was leaving
• 34:10
  at the end to go to somewhere else, three years.
• 34:13
  Yeah. Okay.
• 34:14
  So that's why I'm thinking it was only a year so he ruled in
• 34:18
  peace and prosperity for like a year.
• 34:20
  Then he leaves the throne to. Another Royal who is kind and
• 34:24
  shares, his values. Whatever, honestly, solid move.
• 34:28
  It's all I move. Not have no issues with that.
• 34:30
  Yeah, he never meant to pass on his bloodline anyway.
• 34:33
  He As which I found kind of like odd because I'm like whatever
• 34:37
  you're there already. You know?
• 34:38
  I'm saying if I had you had your at a theme park and you're like
• 34:41
  I'm not gonna ride that ride. Hey I hate tensions of writing
• 34:45
  the best right here which is character though.
• 34:47
  Of like he can. Yeah, he fixed everything and he
• 34:50
  peaced out. He what I liked was that he left
• 34:53
  the throne the monarchy better than how he found it.
• 34:56
  Yes, which I found really just in line with his character.
• 34:59
  Exactly. Like you said the queen, Has
• 35:03
  dethroned. Which is fine.
• 35:04
  She wanted it. I then I had a problem with that
• 35:08
  because the, yeah, because they made such a big fuss about being
• 35:11
  dethroned and then like they kind of glossed over it or
• 35:15
  they're like yeah sure we're going to let that happen to the
• 35:17
  move on and I'm feeling sitting was solid though because she
• 35:21
  wasn't Dethrone necessarily for anything that she did wrong.
• 35:25
  I think he probably dethroned her because she could no longer
• 35:29
  have children, which is a very valid reason in back in charge
• 35:33
  Dynasty to Dethrone a queen because he wanted a valid.
• 35:37
  Are yeah. I just uh so he dethroned her.
• 35:40
  I feel like she wanted to because she yeah.
• 35:42
  She said the reason she was like, okay, Dethrone me first.
• 35:46
  Yeah, he was like, wow, he kind of had this look like No And she
• 35:49
  was like if you leave and you leave me here without being
• 35:53
  dethroned, I will become the queen Dowager and I will never
• 35:56
  get to leave the palace. We will never be together.
• 35:58
  Yeah, like like okay of that little Logic, the logic behind
• 36:01
  it makes sense. I just feel like They skipped
• 36:04
  over a lot of drama that would have happened between her being
• 36:08
  dethroned and him just abdicating.
• 36:10
  Like, but he was a very easy discernment.
• 36:13
  I'll give you that. There's like that all of that
• 36:15
  they're like, okay, we're going to give their land, I can't do
• 36:19
  this. He desperately tried to keep her
• 36:21
  on the throne not have her dear owned for 16 episodes in the
• 36:27
  last 20 minutes. She's like, okay, go ahead, do
• 36:29
  it. It was a little bit like okay.
• 36:33
  Then he abdicates. Yeah which also isn't a big
• 36:35
  deal. Wasn't a big deal.
• 36:37
  He wanted they have they gave him a lot of reverence and the
• 36:41
  big walk out of the palace was great.
• 36:44
  I don't know if you noticed when he's walking out and there's
• 36:46
  other this giant Plaza, expansive, Stone Plaza, that
• 36:50
  he's walking down, he's walking in the direct center of it.
• 36:53
  And he makes a point of stepping off this Center path that he's
• 36:57
  on and on to like the regular, you know, area and what he's
• 37:02
  doing is stepping off the Kings path.
• 37:04
  Yes. So I love that.
• 37:06
  Yeah, that was really cool symbolic moment for him and I
• 37:10
  don't think a lot of people would necessarily know that if
• 37:14
  they hadn't watch a few psychics.
• 37:16
  But I found that very powerful where he was like, oh, wait, let
• 37:19
  me stop. And because it was him turning
• 37:23
  into a regular citizen again, and then he exits, and he's
• 37:25
  dressed in plain clothes and all the stuff that's great.
• 37:29
  On his way to the queen. This is when it gets bad, he
• 37:32
  attacked he's at Not by a gaggle of soldiers, who wanted to
• 37:36
  avenge the queen Dowager, and it's a mess like the Royal Guard
• 37:41
  officer Jang. I think is his name.
• 37:44
  Yeah, he dies say trying to save him because that was the way he
• 37:49
  wanted to go as well. He's like, I want to die like,
• 37:52
  protecting you. I, when I have this honorable
• 37:54
  death and all that shit, he had it fine.
• 37:56
  Give it to him. I cried over that, though.
• 37:58
  I loved him so much. He was great.
• 38:01
  He had a great Arc to because You know, initially he's
• 38:06
  throughout the show, he's very loyal and very, very stoic,
• 38:10
  which is the blueprint for a bodyguard in the Royal Palace,
• 38:14
  but he does take orders that he ends up, you know, negating or
• 38:20
  going against and he tries to kill him at one point like dumps
• 38:25
  him in the pit out in the middle of nowhere and wild and then he
• 38:28
  goes and picks him up and he doesn't kill him which is what
• 38:31
  the OG crazy. He wanted the doppelganger
• 38:35
  wanted and ultimately, he goes through, you know speaking to
• 38:40
  him. Casually not using honorifics to
• 38:43
  using honorifics with him and accepting him as the king and
• 38:46
  really showing loyalty fealty to Hassan, which is beautiful.
• 38:51
  A great Arc for the guy and that's why he follows him out of
• 38:54
  the palace. And it's like, you are you going
• 38:56
  to leave me behind? And it was very emotional and
• 38:59
  your least. He's like there was just like
• 39:01
  looking at each other that moment and then these Fucking
• 39:04
  fools. Come out of them brush and are
• 39:06
  just like for the queen. They order and you're like, for
• 39:08
  what war? He, I don't know where so the
• 39:13
  guard dies. Yeah, we're all heartbroken
• 39:16
  super obsessed son, gets shot by two arrows in the back.
• 39:20
  Keels over time. Jump two years later.
• 39:25
  I was like, no, they did not do this to us when they did the
• 39:29
  time Jump, I knew he was going to survive, but it was just
• 39:31
  like, really we're going to do Even in the time Jump, I thought
• 39:37
  that they would not do a so dirty that the way they did.
• 39:39
  Because you see the queen walking around this Village it
• 39:43
  with a deposed queen or whatever walking around the village,
• 39:46
  having a good time. The clowns are in town and you
• 39:49
  see his sister, and his, you know, friend Uncle will however,
• 39:53
  whatever you want to call him. Also doing the show in the town.
• 39:58
  And she's very emotional, gives gives away a couple of rings.
• 40:00
  She had Jade rings and she's like, oh, oh, you reminded me of
• 40:04
  my loved one, my beloved. And I thought when she went
• 40:08
  home, he would be there or something like that.
• 40:12
  She may be looking at his Compass, the one that she gave
• 40:16
  him and he would walk in the room like something like that.
• 40:19
  No, she just kind of, she just cries because he is legitimately
• 40:24
  missing in action. They never found his body, and
• 40:27
  as soon as I said, they never found his body, I was like, this
• 40:30
  is the dumbest shit that they could have pulled.
• 40:33
  In the final 20 foot 15 minutes of.
• 40:36
  I wish they had at least explain better where he was for two
• 40:40
  years because it was kind of, like, time passed.
• 40:42
  I was unconscious. It made no sense.
• 40:45
  Like what, what is the protocol when you find an injured man in
• 40:49
  the wild you can't wear, is there a hospital or something
• 40:54
  that he's been staying at 42 years?
• 40:56
  Based on the kdramas. I watched you just kind of take
• 40:58
  them in and deal with it and don't look for like family.
• 41:03
  I'm not sure who was rendering, care to him for two years for
• 41:07
  him to just be okay. He made it seem like I was
• 41:12
  asleep or something for all this time.
• 41:14
  Then when I woke up, I was too weak to run back to you, which I
• 41:21
  thought was funny. I was like, is that implying
• 41:22
  that he had physical therapy and Dynasty so that he can walk his
• 41:28
  way back to his girl. It was they try to make it I
• 41:32
  Guess fall in line with what they had promised each other
• 41:36
  before, which was he ended up taking the long way round, which
• 41:40
  was, that was the quote from her.
• 41:42
  She was like even if you take the long way around, I'll still
• 41:43
  be here for you. Yeah.
• 41:45
  But they like to they did not. He did not need to take the long
• 41:51
  way round. Okay like these this was done.
• 41:55
  I went through enough over 16 episodes.
• 41:58
  There was no need for them to pull this like dirty trick.
• 42:01
  I thought this was dirty D. Yeah, I wasn't a fan.
• 42:04
  It's really what it's like to cheer Gap and then he wasn't
• 42:07
  there. I was like really, really.
• 42:11
  So she said around and just like Pine for like somebody who she's
• 42:15
  had assumed was dead, but was never going to be sure because
• 42:18
  there wasn't a body so they're like, we found Master.
• 42:22
  We found officer Jang. Woo, didn't find him.
• 42:25
  We don't find The King and I was like, you're shitting me.
• 42:29
  Fuck out of here. Eyeless live, it, I was like, oh
• 42:31
  my God, they did not. Just do the.
• 42:33
  So anyway, the ending points taken for the fight, literally,
• 42:37
  the final 20 minutes or so show. Yeah.
• 42:41
  We're on the same page, sir. I think that we have to talk
• 42:46
  about the romance, so now that we've already like, talk through
• 42:49
  the ending of them because they do have a technically happy
• 42:54
  ending. Yes, the end up together.
• 42:56
  He does like return. I wasn't sure if they were going
• 43:00
  to, you know what, I feel the same way.
• 43:03
  I was kind of like this could end badly and it would still be
• 43:08
  a fair like a fear thing to do because the content of the show
• 43:12
  The Narrative and I was like this.
• 43:15
  Has a fair chance of men eating badly for both of them.
• 43:17
  They just don't end up together but luckily they did finally end
• 43:22
  up together. He took the long way around
• 43:25
  whatever I said before spoiler break that I really like the
• 43:29
  purity of the romance. There was just such a warmth and
• 43:34
  kindness and consideration that he showed toward her and she
• 43:39
  instantly gravitated towards him because she was living Like a
• 43:45
  zombie in the palace and she was not getting any warmth or
• 43:50
  kindness or consideration from the OG King and some moments
• 43:56
  between them are just a wonderful like he she trips over
• 44:00
  a stone and tries to play it off but he notices the pebble that
• 44:05
  he starts kicking them, he starts kicking all the rocks and
• 44:09
  Pebbles out from the path because he's walking out of her.
• 44:12
  I'll I was like, this is Is goals like this is I can see
• 44:19
  that he was written by a woman. You know what I'm saying?
• 44:21
  Hmm. I'm trying to, I have a really
• 44:24
  funny note. I don't have to there.
• 44:28
  He ends up. Oh, go ahead.
• 44:30
  Did you find it? There's in um, in one of the
• 44:33
  episodes when they're hanging out in the library and he's just
• 44:35
  staring at her. Oh, and it's my nose literally.
• 44:40
  Just I want a boyfriend that looks at me the way he's looking
• 44:42
  at her right now. That her so preciously and
• 44:47
  Tenderly and he ends up treasuring, her life above his
• 44:51
  own because he ends up taking a bullet for her so to speak.
• 44:55
  Yeah, he just reflexively Shield her from the arrows because the
• 44:58
  queen Dowager again, just trying to murder them.
• 45:02
  It's ultimately a relationship that gets built on trust and
• 45:06
  equity which I found really refreshing in a saga of drama
• 45:10
  because usually there is some sort of inequality between
• 45:15
  Between the male and female leads.
• 45:17
  And in this case even though he is playing royalty, there's so
• 45:23
  much Equity between them like she helps him read his reports
• 45:28
  written in Chinese characters. I'm just like this is a key to
• 45:32
  see there are no barriers between them as as there would
• 45:37
  be, there should be between them if he were a true Royal and she
• 45:42
  ends up helping with his kingly duties.
• 45:44
  Like that's very The, for the queen to be, so involved like
• 45:47
  that, and just be hanging out in the Kings Library.
• 45:49
  Things like that are just not usually done in the sagas.
• 45:53
  So it was very special, I think for both of them to not only get
• 45:59
  to know each other, but like get to know each other on a soul
• 46:04
  level which was really refreshing.
• 46:06
  They have start over halfway through the show.
• 46:08
  Basically. Yes.
• 46:09
  She's like, what is your name? Like she had no idea which I
• 46:12
  feel terrible about. Yeah.
• 46:15
  Yeah, I think that's where I would mentioned earlier.
• 46:17
  I felt really bad for her. I think it was everything
• 46:19
  leading up to, like that point where I was like, this isn't
• 46:22
  great especially when the, the OG can comes back.
• 46:26
  Oh yeah, so let's talk about that.
• 46:28
  So they have all these Great Moments between them because
• 46:32
  he's the replacement and actually a nice hazelnut thing
• 46:36
  where he's that, he's the couldn't Queen could make her
• 46:38
  wish at the bridge and so you gave her some hazelnuts.
• 46:41
  He collected. What should who has hazelnuts in
• 46:44
  there? It's leave.
• 46:45
  It was great, like, great moment of levity and says, oh, there's
• 46:50
  a legend that if you crunch on them, you'll start all the
• 46:53
  goblin that lives under the bridge, or in your house, who
• 46:56
  would then Grant your wish. So that comes into play in
• 46:59
  episode 20 with the terrible ending that we don't really
• 47:02
  like. But anyway, so the hazelnuts are
• 47:04
  great, she holds onto it. It's like a token for her and,
• 47:09
  you know, everyone's gravitating toward Hassan everyone's falling
• 47:13
  in love with Hassan, which we can talk about later, you see,
• 47:15
  I'm to be quite annoyed by that, you know, the real King comes
• 47:20
  back like an episode 7. He's mad as hell.
• 47:24
  Uh, nearly slices everyone up, you know, Hassan gets dumped
• 47:29
  into tiger pit up in the mountains to die and the real
• 47:33
  king is most upset by how the queen seems enamored by him how
• 47:39
  her whole demeanor and her health has even improved by
• 47:45
  Being near the clown and he fought.
• 47:48
  He's like most he's thinking back to interacting with the
• 47:51
  queen and queens, like smiling lovingly at him.
• 47:54
  Never seen that before. And he moves up the consummation
• 47:57
  date before the consummation date.
• 48:02
  He had already written up his decree to Dethrone her and
• 48:05
  behead her before. Even attending the consummation,
• 48:09
  how fucking vial is that? The hall they I was just like, I
• 48:13
  hope something happens. To stop this conservation
• 48:16
  because I was like, I'm going to have a major problem with the
• 48:18
  show that goes through. I was like, yes, sucks.
• 48:22
  If he was like nice to her, for like, five minutes, their whole
• 48:25
  relationship would be different like this.
• 48:27
  Let's talk about this because I think that I have a different
• 48:31
  view of the OG King and his relationship with the queen
• 48:35
  because she had some good memories with him before he took
• 48:40
  the throne, right? She was saying oh, he held my
• 48:44
  hand. Never in comforted me when
• 48:46
  things were kind of crazy in the whole sphere sphere that they're
• 48:51
  in and, you know, he told promise me that, you know, we
• 48:54
  would stick together. We'd stay together and it just
• 48:57
  kind of like generally nice stuff.
• 49:00
  We never see a full-on flashback of him being wonderful to her
• 49:05
  but she does. So it does seem like there's
• 49:07
  enough there from when they were crowned Prince and Crown
• 49:11
  Princess to carry her into this really crazy.
• 49:15
  Loveless marriage, when he's King.
• 49:19
  So I feel really bad for her because not only is she stuck in
• 49:24
  a Loveless marriage but he seems to not care for her anymore.
• 49:29
  The way that he used to. And there's some things that
• 49:32
  made me think maybe he still does care for her because early
• 49:36
  on, they show him going to her chamber or whatever in a fit of
• 49:41
  rage but he's there and he tries to like kiss her and she turns
• 49:44
  away Yeah and instead you think that a man who's having
• 49:49
  hallucinations acting crazy is going through crazy episodes of
• 49:55
  mania and rage. What?
• 49:57
  Just just rape her, you know what I'm saying?
• 50:00
  Like what what does he have to lose?
• 50:02
  There's nothing stopping him and he doesn't go so far as that he
• 50:07
  just kind of like tells her people think that It's me that
• 50:15
  doesn't want you, who would think that it's the other way
• 50:17
  around. Mmm.
• 50:19
  And I found that really poignant.
• 50:21
  Like, you know, yeah, he's okay with these rumors about her
• 50:24
  because who has the power in that relationship, it's really
• 50:27
  her the whole time. So no I agree that there's some
• 50:34
  glimmers that he does care for her right.
• 50:37
  Like I'll say I he's not completely at fault either
• 50:41
  because there's a lot of like the the paranoia and in the
• 50:43
  drugs and all that going on that causes him to be like that.
• 50:47
  Then there's like how long did it take for him to like, how
• 50:50
  long was he gone to detox me? Still came in as just like the
• 50:52
  most vile person I've ever seen. Probably lonely.
• 50:56
  Because I was confused too. I have No experience now, what
• 51:02
  not only were drugs but with opium in particular, but it
• 51:05
  seemed like he was smoking. Opium completely addicted to
• 51:09
  Opium plus they were throwing on some incense that was giving him
• 51:13
  hallucinations. So who know where the hell they
• 51:16
  got that, like, from whatever mushroom, they derive that
• 51:18
  incense from. But I felt extremely confused
• 51:23
  when again, he's up in the mountains, completely detox
• 51:28
  removed from the The drugs and he's still messed up.
• 51:32
  Yeah. I like I get the, like, the
• 51:34
  anger and stuff because I think at that point, it's kind of
• 51:36
  become just as personality to just always be angry.
• 51:38
  But like the, everything else that came with it where I was
• 51:41
  like the paranoia, some of that shit that used up but like he
• 51:44
  literally just don't trust anybody.
• 51:46
  Besides the one, dude. You shouldn't trust.
• 51:48
  The left State. Chancellor.
• 51:50
  Whatever is nice to lipstick chance late.
• 51:52
  Like guys, always a problem, never trust that guy.
• 51:57
  Look, if you are watching a saga, And the left State.
• 52:00
  Chancellor is a good guy, you're not watching a saga.
• 52:03
  Look like that's not. That's, that's always the guy,
• 52:06
  you gotta watch out for. Yeah, but yeah.
• 52:09
  And then it's like he came in and like the guns blazing mad
• 52:12
  that they did anything while he was gone.
• 52:14
  It was like what what what, what else?
• 52:17
  Right right, yeah. So, it was a lot of a little bit
• 52:22
  of questioning with his condition and how they've framed
• 52:26
  it because it seemed like once he was got off the drugs, He
• 52:29
  should be okay, but he wasn't no, not a still really paranoid
• 52:33
  still having hallucinations still seeing his dead little
• 52:36
  brother, like craziness. Speaking of the little brother
• 52:40
  that was all the way in episode 1.
• 52:42
  And I was pretty much heartbroken from episode 1 by
• 52:45
  this, this whole sequence that they had the Old King does Cameo
• 52:51
  by Jang. Hyuk, who's the old King
• 52:54
  complex? Daddy issues here, and I wasn't
• 52:58
  quite sure. or who everybody was because he had this queen who
• 53:04
  becomes obviously upon his death, the queen Dowager, she's
• 53:06
  a major player throughout the rest of the Moon, the movie, the
• 53:09
  rest of the show, and you had this half-brother and I thought
• 53:16
  originally that the king with the OG King were just keep
• 53:21
  calling him the OG King. But the OG King.
• 53:23
  I thought he was a legitimate Heir from the previous Queen,
• 53:28
  not the current Queen who becomes the queen Dowager, but
• 53:31
  that wasn't the case he was from similar concubine.
• 53:34
  Or oh, I didn't get that at all. Yeah, so I have to figure it out
• 53:40
  and look up the history. So he was not technically a
• 53:43
  legitimate heir. Because he came from some other
• 53:45
  concubine. But once the queen who was a
• 53:51
  Barren died, his dad married, the queen Dowager in the show
• 53:58
  who was significantly younger and produced children for him.
• 54:01
  So that's why he was threatened by that little half-brother at
• 54:06
  the beginning of the show because everyone considered him
• 54:09
  a legitimate Heir. And of course, You know, you
• 54:11
  have to think of the political aspect of it.
• 54:13
  It's a child, so you can do whatever you want.
• 54:16
  Like raise the child Harvey, white rule in the child's dead.
• 54:21
  So everybody who wanted something was gunning for the
• 54:26
  half-brother to be enthroned and that just didn't happen.
• 54:31
  No. Yeah, sad.
• 54:34
  That upset me. That upset me a lot did upset me
• 54:37
  when He makes his dad beg to spare the sun like the
• 54:42
  half-brother. And you see this complex like
• 54:48
  emotions running across the space because you see when he's
• 54:50
  telling his Bat his dad that's not how you ask for a favor on
• 54:53
  his deathbed and the dad like gets up and it's like I can't
• 54:58
  believe and it starts like, you know, giving a half-ass a
• 55:02
  begging. That was the King dies.
• 55:06
  He's sad. So there was anger before and
• 55:10
  then once the king finally dies, he's upset and visibly, you
• 55:15
  know, shaken by the King's death.
• 55:18
  So they're very complex daddy issues happening here which we
• 55:21
  never quite get into. We just don't, there's not
• 55:24
  enough time for it. I guess and there's a massive
• 55:26
  house cleaning upheaval Chief, counselor declares people
• 55:30
  Traders, whatever the little brothers arrested exiled.
• 55:34
  And then finally, poisoned. I just so emotional and sad
• 55:40
  because he's so young. That little brother is a child
• 55:43
  completely innocent. He loves his brother, he loves
• 55:46
  his brother. That's the thing.
• 55:48
  It's like he loves the OG King, like with unconditionally,
• 55:53
  there's nothing. He doesn't know what's going on.
• 55:57
  And you just feel so much for the kid cuz he's getting dragged
• 56:02
  away from his mom. He doesn't know why they're
• 56:04
  locking up in jail. Why?
• 56:06
  Doesn't know. And when he shows up when the
• 56:09
  oig king finally shows up, he runs that the kid runs out and
• 56:12
  he's like what took you so long like but just very pitiful.
• 56:16
  Yeah. And that hurt it her and it was
• 56:19
  unclear as well. If the OG King believed, the
• 56:25
  lies that they told about the little kid or he just accepted
• 56:30
  them because he wanted to kill his own brother out of hate or
• 56:34
  spite. I don't know.
• 56:35
  Yeah, it's very Clear, there's a lot that happened in that first
• 56:39
  episode, a lot of murder and that was like, I don't know who
• 56:42
  any of these people are. I'm not sure who I'm supposed to
• 56:44
  care about and I was like, and all I see it's just this one
• 56:50
  dude killing everybody. Yeah, my little, my only note
• 56:54
  for the first episode is literally the king and clown or
• 56:56
  both annoying. Oh, I didn't go so far as to say
• 57:01
  that if I have to hear, are you not afraid of the heavens one?
• 57:06
  More time. I think I'll just flip a table
• 57:09
  because they said that's so much throughout the show and
• 57:12
  especially in the first episode because that was when a lot of
• 57:15
  Carnage and stuff was happening. But I do like how in the first
• 57:20
  episode they introduced, of course, Hassan and they have
• 57:24
  this big juxtaposition between the two of them, where Hassan is
• 57:28
  just, so good-natured and kind, and fun, and charismatic.
• 57:32
  And, of course, episode ends with the meeting of the Angers
• 57:37
  and you have this great sequence of the king, just like get it OG
• 57:41
  King getting up and like going to stand, close to him with the
• 57:44
  light. I like the lamp in his face.
• 57:47
  They're both shocked. And they the way that y'all
• 57:52
  jingu is standing between the two of them, like it's vastly
• 57:57
  different. It is a very physical
• 57:59
  performance that I feel he's putting on and the demeanor
• 58:04
  everything about like the micro You know, facial changes that
• 58:08
  he's making between the two of them.
• 58:09
  It is a completely different character that he's putting on
• 58:13
  between the OG King and Hassan. And I love how the OG King is
• 58:18
  like, repeat after me like say this you fool, can't you play
• 58:21
  your role properly and he ends up saying the same exact line is
• 58:27
  the king. He wants him to pretend to be
• 58:29
  him for a second and he says the lie like you fool, can't you
• 58:33
  play a role properly and even It is the same because it's your
• 58:38
  jingu like saying the same line. It is still.
• 58:43
  A different performance. You know what I'm saying?
• 58:46
  Yeah, no. That was, even though I didn't
• 58:48
  necessarily like, either characters seojun, go just did
• 58:50
  such an amazing job of establishing that they are
• 58:53
  different people and there's a, there's a lot of movies, like,
• 58:57
  you mentioned, like, The Parent Trap earlier, like where it's
• 59:00
  very clearly. The same person just just
• 59:02
  they're playing the same person twice more or less, right?
• 59:05
  But no, he does such a good job of.
• 59:07
  It doesn't like you could have told me that you didn't go has
• 59:10
  like a twin and they were just both there and like I'd have
• 59:12
  been like that makes. Right.
• 59:14
  Okay. If I didn't know anything, I'd
• 59:15
  be like know. That makes a lot of people.
• 59:17
  A lot of people thought Lindsay Lohan, had a twin Yeah, it's the
• 59:21
  same kind of deal here. I feel like he just knocked it
• 59:25
  out of the park. He did.
• 59:27
  It was like, even just watching like the the two characters,
• 59:30
  like walk like the king had like the Swagger all the time, it was
• 59:33
  really funny. I was like I wouldn't expect him
• 59:35
  to and like because he's a king but men like because of his
• 59:39
  personality kind of makes sense. He has more of like a Swagger
• 59:41
  when he walks whereas Hassan was actually more like up, right?
• 59:46
  And proper and I think it's because he's more unsure of
• 59:48
  himself most of the time. So he's like I have to like Be
• 59:51
  this and I'm like if you had like five seconds to watch the
• 59:54
  king walk around like no. Yeah but yeah, it was absolutely
• 1:00:00
  riveting to see the two vastly different performances and I
• 1:00:05
  think that people don't talk about this a lot.
• 1:00:10
  Like I don't hear people talking about guilty and go in the
• 1:00:12
  clowns and the crown clown. No, I remember.
• 1:00:15
  It was really popular when it was airing and then like no one.
• 1:00:19
  Nothing. Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Like where's the give the man his due?
• 1:00:23
  He's amazing. I wonder though if that's
• 1:00:24
  because like early. So, this is 2019 right early.
• 1:00:28
  Yeah. Early. 2019 was because Hotel De
• 1:00:32
  Luna came out immediately after and Absolute Boyfriend.
• 1:00:34
  I think was airing at the same time.
• 1:00:36
  So it was like so much back to Act like everyone jumped from
• 1:00:40
  the crown clown to like hotel de luna.
• 1:00:43
  I think so that might because he did a really good job in that
• 1:00:45
  too, in my opinion. I so I dropped hotel de luna,
• 1:00:50
  all, really? I it's one of my favorites.
• 1:00:53
  Like, I actually scary watching it before before.
• 1:00:57
  So it's, this is a total tangent, but I stopped watching
• 1:01:01
  hotel de luna because they were trying to make.
• 1:01:04
  I you like this really fabulous villain, And I was like, I don't
• 1:01:09
  see I you as a Villain Like period, she's not threatening in
• 1:01:12
  any manner. So she's so she's not a villain
• 1:01:14
  in the show. No, I understand.
• 1:01:17
  I get that from the promo and everything and the tiny Clips
• 1:01:20
  I've seen on social media. She's not the villain but she is
• 1:01:25
  kind of an antihero kind of dude and like it just wasn't working
• 1:01:29
  for me. I was like, she's a fairy, you
• 1:01:32
  know. No saying, knowing I, you know
• 1:01:34
  that that makes sense. I think going in being like, I
• 1:01:37
  have no, like, I went in because Him not her.
• 1:01:40
  I was like, I'm gonna watch this one because it's fantasy too
• 1:01:42
  because, you know, Jin goo. So yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  I feel you. And it's a well like drama.
• 1:01:51
  I'm just um, one of those people.
• 1:01:53
  Anyway. Um, getting back to the ground
• 1:01:55
  clown. They kill off this poor little
• 1:01:58
  Palace. Maid and like episode two
• 1:02:00
  brutal, she get poisoned and I like how the queen is the only
• 1:02:06
  person who can be Near him. And she gently cleans his hands
• 1:02:10
  off because he still has all this blood on his hands and
• 1:02:13
  she's got such a calming effect on, not just him but on the
• 1:02:18
  audience, I feel. Because as soon as she enters
• 1:02:20
  the frame I'm like I'm just so calm and relaxed right now, like
• 1:02:25
  she's just very ethereal in that way.
• 1:02:30
  Something that was not ethereal at all.
• 1:02:31
  Was the heartbreaking episodes, like, 435 haasan's little sister
• 1:02:38
  gets raped. Oh my gosh, I the left State
• 1:02:41
  councillor, son. And I was just devastated.
• 1:02:44
  I was devastated. Like she goes, mute and
• 1:02:46
  everything from the trauma. It's just so bad.
• 1:02:50
  I am glad he got Punished a lot for that.
• 1:02:56
  I don't. So you were okay with it.
• 1:02:58
  We're not. Okay, but you felt like the
• 1:03:00
  punishment fit the crime. No.
• 1:03:02
  But at least something happened. Well, he made a fun distinction,
• 1:03:08
  though, not long after that because he gets scared and
• 1:03:10
  leaves the palace and it comes back after.
• 1:03:13
  You know he finds out what happened to the sister and
• 1:03:15
  everything and he's just full of Rajon wants to avenge her, his
• 1:03:21
  sister like rightfully so and he says I don't want to kill him, I
• 1:03:26
  don't just want to kill that dude.
• 1:03:29
  Like I want him to suffer and be punished for the crime that he
• 1:03:34
  committed not just for me to kill him for some of the thing
• 1:03:38
  or punish him for some other misdeed and I found that really
• 1:03:41
  interesting like it's almost delayed satisfaction.
• 1:03:45
  Yes and he waited What I'm saying?
• 1:03:48
  You waited all that time to have this opportunity on meant to
• 1:03:53
  punish him and brand him for being a rapist.
• 1:03:56
  And he not only did that but he established a new precedent.
• 1:04:00
  He was like, I'm going to change the law.
• 1:04:01
  How about that? And I was like damn like that is
• 1:04:05
  like King King material right there.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah, it was definitely a boss. Move of.
• 1:04:10
  We're just going to rewrite the law which the law should have
• 1:04:12
  been rewrote, where the bottom tier and the hierarchy, there
• 1:04:17
  doesn't. Matter what happens to them,
• 1:04:19
  like there's punishment for everything except them.
• 1:04:22
  Like are you kidding, didn't you just want to like, shoot the guy
• 1:04:25
  when the kid goes He standing in front of the King, right?
• 1:04:31
  He just got accused of rape and he did it.
• 1:04:33
  He's not denying that he did it, but he's like, it doesn't
• 1:04:37
  matter. I'm it doesn't matter because
• 1:04:40
  she's a low-class of kid, like, low-class girl, I was just
• 1:04:44
  matter. So, angry I was like, oh my God,
• 1:04:49
  I just want to throw hands at that point, right?
• 1:04:51
  And then they're still like human punish you anyway.
• 1:04:55
  I feel like he doesn't think of her as you know, and the King
• 1:04:59
  Hassan is saying like, oh, I'm gonna do all this and he's like,
• 1:05:02
  you can't your highest. You can't do that.
• 1:05:04
  Like, who the hell do you think you are?
• 1:05:07
  Like, telling me what I can and cannot do.
• 1:05:09
  Like, it was just mistake after mistake, after mistake with that
• 1:05:12
  kid. You taught.
• 1:05:15
  Let's talk about like how the side characters and everyone
• 1:05:18
  around. Hassan fell in love with him
• 1:05:20
  because you said earlier that, you didn't like that.
• 1:05:23
  So talk to me about that. Like, what do you, what do you
• 1:05:26
  think in there? I just I I don't know what it is
• 1:05:31
  about Hassan, this is really rubs me the wrong way, where I'm
• 1:05:33
  like, what honestly, I feel like if I was like in his presence to
• 1:05:36
  like in that I'd have been like the same of know this kids great
• 1:05:38
  like whatever. But the same time I'm like,
• 1:05:40
  everybody's like, oh we're gonna pretend you're the king for a
• 1:05:43
  while and we're gonna just fall in line and you're great and
• 1:05:46
  charming, and it's not like he's an actor.
• 1:05:48
  Of course, he's Charming. Like like, he's a clown.
• 1:05:51
  That's that's it sound like I hope, I don't know.
• 1:05:57
  I have trust issues. I guess.
• 1:05:58
  So I would have been like, I don't know.
• 1:05:59
  I want to trust this kid. And then like he had his moments
• 1:06:04
  where he was hot-headed to and he would go do really stupid
• 1:06:06
  stuff that they don't have to go get fixed or a lot of people
• 1:06:09
  were going to die that were trying to help him.
• 1:06:12
  It's like I also feel like he was very impulsive.
• 1:06:16
  Yes, decisive in ways that the people around him in the chief
• 1:06:20
  secretary more not and sometimes he it definitely worked outside.
• 1:06:24
  Yeah. Push things forward in a
• 1:06:26
  positive way and made good decisions, while he was on the
• 1:06:30
  throne. And what was cool was.
• 1:06:33
  Even though he had the chief secretary like, breathing down
• 1:06:35
  his neck, telling him what to say, telling him, you know how
• 1:06:38
  to comport himself and, you know, memorize this and you
• 1:06:42
  can't read and all this stuff as soon as he walks in, and he's
• 1:06:46
  sitting on the throne, whatever he says goes.
• 1:06:48
  Yep. So he can go Rogue and he does
• 1:06:51
  pretty heated of the time. And it was really entertaining
• 1:06:55
  to see as an audience member, but it was really satisfying to
• 1:06:59
  see also as an audience member because you have Tagging is here
• 1:07:03
  with an. In fact he's an infallible
• 1:07:05
  protagonist and everyone falls in love with him.
• 1:07:09
  Not just because he's so young Jin, goo and handsome and
• 1:07:13
  Charming. Um, they are moved by him and
• 1:07:16
  his impeccable moral compass by his righteousness and his caring
• 1:07:20
  attitude towards the people. Because he comes from the
• 1:07:24
  people, he is of that lower class and so he is making giant
• 1:07:28
  changes in the government, that is benefiting.
• 1:07:32
  Being not just the ruling class. It's benefiting everybody and
• 1:07:37
  it's throwing everybody in a tizzy.
• 1:07:40
  Yeah, I like the the side where it's the stuff that like helps
• 1:07:43
  the more common people like definitely like respect, but
• 1:07:46
  it'd be like the other things were.
• 1:07:47
  He just go have like a ranting like have a fit with like the
• 1:07:49
  queen Dowager because she likes lighted the queen or something.
• 1:07:52
  I was like, okay, I get it but I'm like I'll give you the right
• 1:07:56
  move dude. You that?
• 1:07:58
  Yes, he's kind of going head-to-head with the queen
• 1:08:00
  Dowager and there's a lot of tete-a-tete.
• 1:08:02
  It's between them where you're just like you don't really have
• 1:08:05
  the upper hand here. Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  So why are you dig yourself a deeper hole?
• 1:08:08
  Your other people are going to have to clean it up or you're
• 1:08:11
  gonna get somebody killed that. You're trying to not get killed,
• 1:08:14
  I don't understand where you're coming from.
• 1:08:16
  There is a long laundry list of achievements that Hassan did
• 1:08:20
  throughout the show and I have them here.
• 1:08:22
  So here let me know, let me know if I'm missing any so here go he
• 1:08:26
  saves the Queen's father from an unjust execution.
• 1:08:30
  So instead he exiled Him he saves the queen from analyzing
• 1:08:35
  herself because at one point she like took a dagger, she was
• 1:08:38
  going to stab herself because the whole thing he saves her, he
• 1:08:43
  recruits the lowborn Huggle, who's like the mathematician
• 1:08:47
  like I love Rehan character. He also has like crush on Hassan
• 1:08:52
  by the end of it was adorable, loved it on that vein.
• 1:08:58
  He literally steps all over the aristocratic some kumquats
• 1:09:01
  Scholars for A horse whole girls promotion because they weren't
• 1:09:05
  even letting him in the palace, like, makes no sense but he
• 1:09:09
  holds special stating exams were anybody?
• 1:09:12
  No matter their station. Could sit for the tax reform
• 1:09:16
  thing. We're only land owners will have
• 1:09:17
  to pay taxes, refuses to send tens of thousands of soldiers to
• 1:09:23
  Ming for their war. And he has these lines that are
• 1:09:27
  really wonderful. He's like as a father of this
• 1:09:30
  nation, how could I send? They're my sons to their death.
• 1:09:34
  That also like he takes ownership of the people and he
• 1:09:40
  really advocates for them. And at that point he tears all
• 1:09:44
  the ministers to personally go to war for me.
• 1:09:47
  If it's so important to them like why don't you just pick up
• 1:09:49
  and go and I'm like it's great he refuses to depose the queen
• 1:09:56
  because she has a little hissy after finding out that he's not
• 1:10:00
  the king and like just Leaves the palace to go visit her dad
• 1:10:05
  and Exile. And that was frustrating because
• 1:10:10
  it was not on his end, but on hers.
• 1:10:11
  Because, like, I get why she left and then, like, you gotta,
• 1:10:14
  like, save her basically, but he couldn't say why he wasn't mad
• 1:10:17
  at her. It was like, like, yeah,
• 1:10:20
  situationally aggravating true. He's like, he's not like, well,
• 1:10:25
  I'm not really who I said I was. So, she got mad and just like,
• 1:10:29
  jump shit. No, he can't say that.
• 1:10:30
  What he does is he blackmails the queen?
• 1:10:32
  Dowager's, so that she could return.
• 1:10:34
  No consequences, great idea. He refused to Simply kill the
• 1:10:41
  left State Chancellor's sun, which we talked about before he
• 1:10:44
  waits until he can be punished for the crime that he committed
• 1:10:48
  and sets a new precedent. All this great stuff.
• 1:10:51
  Then he at in the final, couple of vessels crushes, the coup
• 1:10:55
  from the giant villain team-up that I didn't because I was
• 1:10:58
  Queen, Dowager joins hands with the left state councillor.
• 1:11:02
  And one of the princes Prince, Jim peeing, or whatever was also
• 1:11:07
  in the mix and like, had develops the army of, like,
• 1:11:10
  3,000 soldiers. It's like nuts.
• 1:11:12
  So, all these three people join hands and were trying to
• 1:11:17
  Dethrone him. That was so messy too, because
• 1:11:19
  they were all like plotting against each other.
• 1:11:21
  The same time. Nobody was like on their side.
• 1:11:24
  Like nobody was truly. Loyal to the other person.
• 1:11:29
  So there was a lot of like in squabbles between them and stuff
• 1:11:33
  which is fun like fun to watch. There's so much stuff, good
• 1:11:39
  stuff that he did and he also stopped the queen from analyzing
• 1:11:43
  herself a second time. This.
• 1:11:46
  Oh my God. That's right.
• 1:11:48
  The second time. And then he saves her.
• 1:11:51
  Like I said before, you took to two arrows in the back or
• 1:11:54
  something, one are on the back for her.
• 1:11:56
  Yeah, this is great. I really liked speaking of the
• 1:12:01
  queen in episodes 6 to 7 or so they go.
• 1:12:06
  A date out in the town. That was so cute.
• 1:12:10
  Is fucking wonderful. So they eat like a stew with
• 1:12:15
  tripe and pig's heart and it's kind of like low, not low
• 1:12:20
  quality cuts of meat, but it's just like common, a commoners
• 1:12:24
  meal and it's so sweet. How she eats it like a champ.
• 1:12:28
  He's like, what is this? And then he tells her what it
• 1:12:30
  is. She kind of makes a face and
• 1:12:31
  then she just he's like, well we don't have to eat her if you
• 1:12:33
  don't want to, she's just like already swallowing asleep.
• 1:12:36
  Great. And then she'd noticed that
• 1:12:39
  this, at this point, she's like noticing different things about
• 1:12:41
  him. And she's like, it seems like
• 1:12:43
  you've eaten this before and he's like, no, no, no.
• 1:12:46
  I have I haven't done anything yet.
• 1:12:49
  They go to buy the compass later and he haggles with the sales
• 1:12:53
  guy and she's like, it seems like you've done this a hundred
• 1:12:57
  times before it. He's like, I've never done that
• 1:12:59
  before. It's great.
• 1:13:01
  I really liked when he asked her when they were eating and he
• 1:13:04
  asked her, the question of like, which house would they want to
• 1:13:06
  stay? And she's like this one and he's
• 1:13:08
  like, that's the smallest one here.
• 1:13:10
  She's like, why exactly? Like so?
• 1:13:13
  I, we don't have to do anything besides turn our heads to see
• 1:13:16
  each other and I was like, oh, I want this kind of love.
• 1:13:18
  This is why I'm single. This is what a standard, such a
• 1:13:22
  good green flag, man, and such a wonderful well-spoken lady
• 1:13:27
  because she's just like, want that house over there small
• 1:13:30
  house while you want it. We just have to turn our heads
• 1:13:34
  to look at each other and it's so sad because in the X of the
• 1:13:37
  palace. They have entirely separate
• 1:13:40
  wings, that are far from one another.
• 1:13:44
  And so she's speaking from experience, she would rather be
• 1:13:49
  close to him and she would rather have this long commute
• 1:13:53
  home to be with him for longer periods.
• 1:13:56
  Of time is just like, uh, beautiful beautiful words and I
• 1:14:01
  adore the queen and that date that they had was just
• 1:14:05
  beautiful. I think in that episode though,
• 1:14:09
  he gets tossed in the pit, I think it's the tiger pit comes
• 1:14:16
  back. Can comes back.
• 1:14:18
  He gets tossed. In the tiger pit.
• 1:14:19
  Did you get like Dark Knight Rises Vibes or was that just me?
• 1:14:24
  Is it just me? It's been a while because he
• 1:14:27
  knows, okay, okay, so Dark Knight Rises, they throw Batman
• 1:14:32
  in a pit. Basically, I don't remember that
• 1:14:33
  at all. And he has to cut, not adapt it,
• 1:14:36
  but it's like almost looks like a giant well, and it's full of,
• 1:14:41
  you know, a bunch of other prisoners.
• 1:14:43
  And the only way to get out is to climb out and that's why I'm
• 1:14:47
  saying that this seeing kind of felt like Dark Knight Rises,
• 1:14:50
  because he climbs out of this It and bit by bit.
• 1:14:56
  He's almost out. There's a flashback of him,
• 1:14:59
  getting stabbed by the chief secretary and the chief
• 1:15:02
  secretary going, like, clown. Hassan is dead.
• 1:15:05
  You are now the king, like furniture, mattock, and just as
• 1:15:08
  he's about to, essentially, get out and be reborn.
• 1:15:13
  These wolves descend and pushing back down into the pit and I
• 1:15:17
  felt like, oh, this is like a metaphor.
• 1:15:19
  This is my thinking cap, right? This is like a metaphor for like
• 1:15:22
  the beasts of the political thing.
• 1:15:24
  But he's trying to overcome and they keep like tearing him down
• 1:15:27
  and all this stuff. Yeah.
• 1:15:29
  I quite like that seen and felt very important felt so bad.
• 1:15:33
  When he fell back down after like the wolves or whatever,
• 1:15:35
  showed up, I was just like, oh oh, oh he's in so much pain
• 1:15:38
  already. Yeah, no.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah. But the king comes back and that
• 1:15:45
  episode is crap because he tries to undo everything that Hassan
• 1:15:52
  did even if it was good. Out of spite or jealousy or so
• 1:15:56
  frustrating reassert himself into the mix and he imprisons
• 1:16:02
  the kissing lady and the Rain Man guy.
• 1:16:06
  All song, whatever his name is and the chief secretary has no
• 1:16:12
  choice but to come back and kneel before him and what the
• 1:16:16
  king says is. So just diabolical, he says, do
• 1:16:21
  not turn your back against me ever again.
• 1:16:23
  Should you be Tre me, I will crush all of your loved ones to
• 1:16:26
  death and see everything, your everything in your life.
• 1:16:32
  Everything you've worked for in your life, come to nothingness.
• 1:16:35
  And I was like, he said it with a smile on his face and I was
• 1:16:38
  like, Damn yeah, that is pretty bad, pretty Sinister.
• 1:16:44
  Yeah, he's just not a not a good guy all around let's put it.
• 1:16:48
  Let's finish talking about him because in the very next episode
• 1:16:50
  episode 8, the chief secretary kills him honestly, as much as I
• 1:16:55
  didn't like him that like death scene got to me.
• 1:16:58
  I cry. I was like, it is the emotion
• 1:17:02
  that the Betrayal, like, the whole, like death, like speech.
• 1:17:06
  Oh, like him, like fighting it. And I Like talking about how
• 1:17:10
  betrayed he feels and I'm like, yeah my heart.
• 1:17:15
  Why do I feel bad for you? Yeah yeah you feel satisfaction
• 1:17:22
  that he's dying because he's just gone gone, completely mad
• 1:17:28
  and you feel so much pity at the same time because his life could
• 1:17:32
  have been different. I was just saying like earlier
• 1:17:34
  like he seemed to have been gentle and somewhat carrying
• 1:17:38
  toward the queen. Early in their marriage.
• 1:17:40
  And he also did want to enact the tax, the landowners law
• 1:17:46
  initially. And that just goes to show that
• 1:17:49
  he was so twisted and different. By the end, there was just no
• 1:17:53
  saving him and the scene is so devastatingly beautiful.
• 1:17:58
  The way it's shot like throughout the show is just
• 1:18:00
  beautiful cinematography but this scene what them silhouetted
• 1:18:04
  against the beach and the waves and the overhead shots of them
• 1:18:08
  like from Drone or helicopter or something?
• 1:18:12
  Golden Light is just the right Vibe.
• 1:18:15
  It's just heartbreaking and that he died the same way that he
• 1:18:19
  killed. His little brother in episode 1.
• 1:18:22
  It's just so, so sad and chief secretary is pulling through an
• 1:18:27
  all-time performance here because it's almost as if the
• 1:18:32
  king had asked to be killed. Mmm.
• 1:18:35
  And he's doing it against his better judgment, right?
• 1:18:39
  He's doing it because he wanted to die and that's not the case
• 1:18:44
  at all. Chief secretary like took it
• 1:18:45
  upon himself to just kill the king halfway through the show
• 1:18:49
  and it's so sad and mournful, and especially when the OG King
• 1:18:54
  says I wish you were my father as he's like trying to fight it
• 1:18:58
  and talking about like all this. It just emotional.
• 1:19:02
  Yeah. You could tell they were at one
• 1:19:04
  point really close. So yes, yeah, he's I don't want
• 1:19:09
  to do it but he knows that he has to do it.
• 1:19:11
  It's all these things put together.
• 1:19:13
  Just make it very important point in seen on a production
• 1:19:18
  side. Did you catch what they did with
• 1:19:19
  the score there? What did they do with the score
• 1:19:22
  of the mining? Oh my God.
• 1:19:23
  Okay, so so as he like die. So the way every episode was
• 1:19:27
  ending at least on Netflix was like, the seemed like the
• 1:19:30
  episode would. And, and then they would have
• 1:19:32
  liked the the few like snapshots of like different parts of the
• 1:19:35
  like thing, and they would have some score playing.
• 1:19:37
  It would be different for most episodes.
• 1:19:38
  I think to kind of fit the vibe. There was no music playing at
• 1:19:41
  the end of that. So as he dies, it's all you hear
• 1:19:45
  is the beach waves. And then when they start doing
• 1:19:47
  the photos from earlier in the episode, it's just the beach
• 1:19:50
  waves. I just I really I'm just really
• 1:19:57
  oh my God, as far as I remember, that was the only episode.
• 1:20:01
  They didn't have some sort of score playing with the photos.
• 1:20:05
  It's it's done, right? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:07
  Like it was just really well. Yeah, it was done really well
• 1:20:11
  really well damn. Damn.
• 1:20:15
  Okay. Now going back to Hassan episode
• 1:20:19
  10 and 9 there's like a lot of love vowels exchanged between
• 1:20:24
  the queen and Hassan. And in episode 10 he does like
• 1:20:28
  the scavenger hunt for him because for her because he
• 1:20:31
  leaves all these notes in the library and I of course you have
• 1:20:34
  the Like I miss you, even when I'm looking at you, I miss you
• 1:20:37
  line. They meet at the highest place
• 1:20:40
  in the palace and they kiss and it's so sweet and she tells him
• 1:20:44
  that she wants to have his child.
• 1:20:46
  Listen. So it's she tells him that she's
• 1:20:52
  ready to have his child or whatever because she had been of
• 1:20:55
  course, denying him the entire time.
• 1:20:57
  She doesn't know yet that it's Hassan the clown it ends up that
• 1:21:03
  the queen dowager. has been poisoning the queen this whole
• 1:21:06
  time for like a few months and she's now infertile Heartbroken
• 1:21:12
  for her because that is like such a core part of what she's
• 1:21:15
  obligated to do as Queen. But like it's part of any of ya.
• 1:21:21
  Any other king would have had to Dethrone her, pretty much family
• 1:21:25
  to go have it and he's like, no, it's like that's like this
• 1:21:28
  matter to me. It's fine.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:31
  And in fact, he goes out of his way to keep his secret so that
• 1:21:33
  the court doesn't demand that she be dethroned because she
• 1:21:36
  can't have any kids. I found this devastating Being
• 1:21:40
  in the best way possible, if you get my drift because it was
• 1:21:45
  proper drama and properly teased throughout the show so that when
• 1:21:49
  it came upon us, we weren't like, oh my God, this came out
• 1:21:53
  of nowhere. They're just pulling stuff out
• 1:21:54
  of their hats. No, no it was, this was earned
• 1:21:58
  and I really appreciated that not only did he stick by her but
• 1:22:02
  he, it wasn't like a factor for him.
• 1:22:06
  Like he it didn't affect his love for her at all.
• 1:22:09
  It's just It makes me feel better and their communication
• 1:22:13
  was excellent like throughout the rest of the the show.
• 1:22:17
  And you know, she is dealing with not just a loss but it's a
• 1:22:23
  loss for, you know, her identity.
• 1:22:26
  And the reason why she's giving even in the palace and I love
• 1:22:30
  how he just supports her unconditionally he's like, oh my
• 1:22:34
  god, of course he's upset. Of course he wants to kill
• 1:22:36
  everybody involved. Of course he goes and fights
• 1:22:39
  with the queen dowager. Right after he finds out and
• 1:22:41
  it's all, you know, yes, but it's never directed at her.
• 1:22:46
  Yes. You know, it's never know,
• 1:22:48
  victim blaming or what have you. There's nothing of that and it
• 1:22:52
  just deepens their bond, really? Yeah, I think that's definitely
• 1:22:56
  a turning point because she tried to keep it secret from him
• 1:22:58
  too, and that's fine. Like her like made was like, no,
• 1:23:01
  I'm gonna spill it be. That's my favorite thing is,
• 1:23:05
  when he comes up to the baby's like tell me what the hell's
• 1:23:07
  going on here? Why is the queen said?
• 1:23:08
  She just drops she goes. By right underneath these look,
• 1:23:11
  I'm so sorry but I'm sorry, I just have to be punished or
• 1:23:14
  whatever the languages and there's like, not a ton the
• 1:23:19
  Queen's, like had the secret for what?
• 1:23:21
  Two hours. Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  What's know, yeah, I liked it a lot.
• 1:23:27
  I liked it. She finds his writing The
• 1:23:29
  Secret, Gets Out, because she finds the scraps of paper that
• 1:23:32
  he's been practicing the Chinese calligraphy on and it's just
• 1:23:37
  that's when she leaves the palace.
• 1:23:38
  She had A really tough reaction to him.
• 1:23:42
  She's like, who the hell are? You don't touch me.
• 1:23:46
  How dare you? And she has this really visceral
• 1:23:49
  reaction II. Don't blame her.
• 1:23:52
  But it's such a hard point because I'm like, I'd been like,
• 1:23:55
  okay, I don't know who this guy is, but he's clearly better than
• 1:23:58
  what I had. Yeah, because she starts like
• 1:24:03
  trying to piece it together. Like, when were they switched?
• 1:24:05
  Yeah. And she does realize when the
• 1:24:08
  real king king. Came back and they had those
• 1:24:11
  really bad like consummation night that never happened and
• 1:24:15
  she's like, oh, that wasn't him, you know, she's realizing when.
• 1:24:20
  Yeah I got I was in. I feel like I personally
• 1:24:23
  probably would have like, maybe not in the best judgment just
• 1:24:27
  been. Like, no, I'm fine with this.
• 1:24:32
  Nearly getting raped guy, who actually treats me.
• 1:24:35
  Nice, you know? Like, that's the thing is, like,
• 1:24:39
  she is. And they were saying, the, the
• 1:24:41
  chief secretary was saying that she's gonna dump you as soon as
• 1:24:44
  she finds out who you are, because she is so upright and
• 1:24:49
  thermal and she, she does end up against her tiny against her
• 1:24:55
  guilty conscience, and she ends up doing like three days of
• 1:24:58
  mourning for the, the OG King because Of course, she doesn't
• 1:25:01
  even like this, like terrible to her and then she's like fully
• 1:25:05
  onboard. She's like, okay, you're you're
• 1:25:08
  the king, okay? I think it fits her character
• 1:25:11
  while it just putting myself in the position.
• 1:25:14
  I definitely would like no, this is fine.
• 1:25:17
  Yeah, like I did then on board way sooner.
• 1:25:20
  I would not have tried to throw myself off a cliff.
• 1:25:22
  No. Damn, it was something about her
• 1:25:24
  trying to run alive herself after that.
• 1:25:26
  That was just like oh girl don't like come on.
• 1:25:28
  He's a guy Under full team. Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Yeah, he was just lovely to you. Just accept the man and move on
• 1:25:36
  the villain left State councillor catches Hassan in the
• 1:25:39
  lie with the dagger around episode 12 13 and originally,
• 1:25:44
  the left state councillor was like, oh yeah, you had, you had
• 1:25:46
  this dagger given to you by the Ming and all that stuff.
• 1:25:50
  Complete lap lie fabrication because it was gift from the
• 1:25:53
  previous King to commemorate him, becoming the Crown Prince
• 1:25:56
  whatever I loved. That's when he threw the two
• 1:26:02
  coins at the yes let's say counselor and was like I am that
• 1:26:06
  dog that cost two coins or whatever and reveals who's his
• 1:26:10
  true identity to him and his full of like, Vigor and
• 1:26:14
  confidence and like Swagger and you're just like, yeah, like
• 1:26:18
  damn get it. I think I was so concerned with
• 1:26:21
  what was going to happen next. I was I really like super like
• 1:26:24
  into the moment even though it was a really cool moment.
• 1:26:25
  But I was like, okay, you got a problem, why are you so chill
• 1:26:30
  about it? It to where you can be like,
• 1:26:31
  like this because well, I think he was just like, well, The Jig
• 1:26:35
  Is up like when we gonna do? Yeah, let me come into it, like,
• 1:26:38
  with a little bit of a Swagger and just own it, you know, own
• 1:26:43
  up to it. I just, it would have put me
• 1:26:45
  straight to panic. I'd have been like, oh no, I
• 1:26:48
  would have been crying. Like, I'm not a person that if
• 1:26:50
  someone yells at me, or start screaming at me for whatever
• 1:26:54
  reason. I just start crying, babe.
• 1:26:57
  You caught me in a lie. This is the second crying right
• 1:27:02
  there. Don't tell me the real king
• 1:27:04
  tried to so curious. You were forced to do this.
• 1:27:08
  Yeah, I don't think I would have taken out the two coins from
• 1:27:13
  them at the man who has my secret.
• 1:27:15
  Anyway, what was brutal as well? Was that they killed her, dad,
• 1:27:19
  the Queen's Dad after he was finally exonerated so close to
• 1:27:24
  like a real reunions and it's taken away.
• 1:27:28
  Oh my god. Um, But after that she Grieves,
• 1:27:32
  it's terrible but he tip but Hassan takes her to the beach
• 1:27:36
  and like episode 14. And I adore this conversation
• 1:27:41
  that they have not just the cinematography, in the way, it's
• 1:27:43
  just gorgeous, right? She says, I will engrave this
• 1:27:47
  scenery on my heart so that I may come back to it.
• 1:27:49
  Even after we return to the palace.
• 1:27:51
  And he says, when spring comes, let's go see the flowers and
• 1:27:55
  summer. We will stand in the rain
• 1:27:57
  together and in the fall. How about we go Gathering?
• 1:28:00
  And he's making plans, like, that's a year's time, right?
• 1:28:05
  To get back to the winter weather.
• 1:28:07
  Now at the beach and she says is much.
• 1:28:09
  She's like, it seems like we're gonna be together for a while,
• 1:28:12
  and it's just beautiful beautiful lines, very romantic
• 1:28:17
  and it soothes her, you know. And it also kind of hints at the
• 1:28:23
  ending right where they leave the palace because in all those
• 1:28:27
  scenarios of them standing in the rain together, seeing the
• 1:28:30
  Hours Gathering chestnuts, there's not really an
• 1:28:33
  implication that there in the palace, when they do that, they
• 1:28:36
  are free and outside of the restrictions of the palace.
• 1:28:39
  And so I think that was a hint at the ending, which is there
• 1:28:44
  free of the palace and all of the politicking that we had seen
• 1:28:50
  throughout the entire show. So I really like that, that's
• 1:28:55
  just so nice. I one of the top at things top
• 1:28:59
  scenes in the show. Chief secretary throws it in the
• 1:29:04
  queen. Dowager has faced a he killed
• 1:29:05
  her son in very classic like put salt in an open wound to get a
• 1:29:12
  confession out of somebody that details of how her poor innocent
• 1:29:17
  son died and she just loses it. And what's sad to me is that the
• 1:29:22
  root, the OG King was so blinded by paranoia, that he ordered the
• 1:29:28
  killing of this innocent kid, but Hassan is the one that has
• 1:29:32
  to pay the consequences for what his doppelganger did and I find
• 1:29:37
  that really interesting. I don't know if there's anything
• 1:29:40
  else you want to add to that because I feel like that's kind
• 1:29:43
  of like I don't know. There's something about that.
• 1:29:47
  That makes. Yeah no I mean I guess I hadn't
• 1:29:49
  really thought about that too much but yeah like when it came
• 1:29:52
  to the queen Dowager really her Vendetta was against the OG
• 1:29:55
  queen king. So everything she did was
• 1:29:58
  because of that. And how.
• 1:30:01
  Yeah, he was at the legitimate heir to the throne and and like
• 1:30:06
  that was her whole thing. So, Honestly her hatred towards
• 1:30:10
  his son wasn't really wanted. It was weird just because he was
• 1:30:14
  the wrong place wrong time. Hi.
• 1:30:17
  Yeah, she and I like we were saying before how certain
• 1:30:21
  characters had Shades of Grey. I feel like she has Shades of
• 1:30:23
  Gray because she has every right to be upset and angry that her
• 1:30:28
  son was killed like nevermind installing him on the throne.
• 1:30:32
  He was straight up mert. Yeah.
• 1:30:35
  And for no reason, obviously he had no Nothing no traitorous
• 1:30:41
  thoughts or anything coming from like the 10 year old or
• 1:30:43
  whatever. So I found that really
• 1:30:46
  intriguing to think that she had reason she was.
• 1:30:51
  Well, within reason to try and like overthrow Hassan even if he
• 1:30:55
  was the was the kind of like wasn't even the real King, it's
• 1:30:58
  just like you're representing pain to me, you've wronged me
• 1:31:04
  the where you are and the chief secretary found this really
• 1:31:09
  Important as well where he finally swears fealty to Hassan
• 1:31:13
  and that he reveals that he held back, trusting him for fear that
• 1:31:19
  the throne would corrupt him just like the OG King.
• 1:31:22
  But after everything Hassan remains righteous and empathetic
• 1:31:28
  and despite the chief secretary revealing that he unilaterally
• 1:31:33
  killed the OG King Hassan is like.
• 1:31:37
  Takes the blame. He's like, this is my fault too,
• 1:31:39
  for because I wanted to be king and it obviously means that one
• 1:31:44
  of us had to go. And it's when he says that you
• 1:31:48
  just see it like the gears turning in the chief secretary's
• 1:31:52
  head, and he just kneels down, he does.
• 1:31:55
  And then him, and then Haase, first time, Austin kneels down
• 1:32:00
  and that whole scene. Oh my gosh.
• 1:32:04
  When Hassan kneels down I'm just like this is too perfect.
• 1:32:08
  Like it's, it was such a moving moment of like mutual respect
• 1:32:13
  for each other. And and finally coming to a real
• 1:32:17
  understanding and Trust on both sides because there was a trust
• 1:32:20
  on either side. Yeah that was a I loved it.
• 1:32:25
  I really liked the secretary, I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:32:28
  It was like I didn't fully understand everything with him
• 1:32:31
  because I was like the, the one guy that died.
• 1:32:33
  I'd before the show started that they kept mentioning and then
• 1:32:36
  there was like that whole like group of people that they kept
• 1:32:39
  meeting out in the woods and like yeah he was an extremist
• 1:32:43
  leader we're inside. Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Yeah, yeah and they didn't I feel like they didn't do as good
• 1:32:49
  of a job kind of like dealing with that whole subplot.
• 1:32:52
  Right? Because he was basically
• 1:32:54
  undercover. Yeah.
• 1:32:56
  In the government still trying to do his best, which get the
• 1:33:01
  agenda, but she was doing, but it was like they Really explain,
• 1:33:04
  like, who these other people are.
• 1:33:05
  Like, obviously like some sort of extremist but like, outside
• 1:33:07
  of that I was like there's some guy who died here's book, like I
• 1:33:13
  don't know. Like are you just common people
• 1:33:15
  or like exiled or like I did. That was one of my issues with
• 1:33:19
  the show I will say is like that whole like story arc just kind
• 1:33:22
  of came and went as needed without excite agree.
• 1:33:25
  Anything I agree. Yeah they did a bad job
• 1:33:29
  explaining like why he was meeting these people in the
• 1:33:31
  bamboo forest and Why they were mad at him?
• 1:33:34
  I guess, he liked because of his part in the killing of their
• 1:33:38
  leader. Yeah.
• 1:33:40
  And then, he stayed basically in power in the government while
• 1:33:44
  everyone else had to like, deal with it and like become peasants
• 1:33:47
  and try and make ends meet some other way and live their lives
• 1:33:50
  similar way. You know, they held it against
• 1:33:53
  him. Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  Like it sounded like a pretty valid what they did.
• 1:33:57
  But no. Yeah, but it was like, I wish I
• 1:34:00
  had some kind of like, Connection to it.
• 1:34:03
  Or I could care about these random people because it would
• 1:34:06
  make more sense. Why he's like, kneeling on the
• 1:34:09
  ground trying to ask for forgiveness.
• 1:34:11
  Okay. And I was like we can we can
• 1:34:13
  skip the sea. Yeah I mean it just wasn't
• 1:34:18
  written quite well. I think we're all ready towards
• 1:34:22
  the end game episodes though, in our, in our talk and I'm not
• 1:34:25
  sure if there's anything else you wanted to say about it.
• 1:34:27
  Other than this part was satisfying to me, I had no
• 1:34:31
  issues with Now the whole coup and then trying to work it out.
• 1:34:35
  How is Hassan going to strategize his way out of this?
• 1:34:38
  Without the chief secretary by his side, he's rising to the
• 1:34:41
  occasion. He's playing things out.
• 1:34:44
  They never find the treacherous letter and it gets thrown in
• 1:34:47
  their faces at the assembly. All that stuff.
• 1:34:50
  I found that fine perfectly a. Yeah, I think it's okay.
• 1:34:53
  I think from not understanding kind of that time period in like
• 1:34:57
  Korea too much of like oh sudden they keep meeting and they keep
• 1:34:59
  telling each other what they're going to do.
• 1:35:02
  I was like why why are you telling people what you're gonna
• 1:35:05
  do? Like why does it take so long to
• 1:35:07
  Dethrone the queen Dowager? Like there they even they in the
• 1:35:11
  end gate of episodes they were like you're not technically
• 1:35:13
  dethroned yet so you could just take the throne and she was like
• 1:35:17
  you're right there was some of that where I was like okay how
• 1:35:20
  long have they been talking about the throne in her?
• 1:35:22
  They had ample time to just send her away.
• 1:35:25
  She was banished to The West Wing.
• 1:35:26
  Like I don't understand there was a little bit of like
• 1:35:29
  questions there that were lingering.
• 1:35:33
  I think the last thing that I have in my notes had to do with
• 1:35:36
  Hassan having a one-on-one with the queen Dowager and it's a
• 1:35:41
  culmination for me all his troubles with his confidence or
• 1:35:46
  feeling inadequate or out of his depth in the palace are all gone
• 1:35:51
  here. He's literally standing
• 1:35:53
  toe-to-toe with her and there are there's no Rage or explosive
• 1:35:58
  outbursts to make him seem lesser than her, they're on
• 1:36:01
  equal. Playing fields and she's talking
• 1:36:05
  all this shit about social status and Royal Blood.
• 1:36:09
  And he's countering her with a full open heart and integrity,
• 1:36:14
  talking about Behavior. How can you act this way?
• 1:36:17
  And at one point, he says, like blood is all you have.
• 1:36:24
  And he wins like he wins there, talk their argument or whatever.
• 1:36:28
  In this tete-a-tete they have. And I was like, this is strong.
• 1:36:32
  That kingly shit that he's doing here.
• 1:36:35
  Then he just walks away. He's like by like no he's not
• 1:36:39
  really worried that she called him there to kill him like he's
• 1:36:41
  just there to buy time and show face and it's wonderful.
• 1:36:47
  I really like that. Yeah that was definitely a good
• 1:36:50
  team but yeah. Overall like the last like
• 1:36:52
  ending like the last few episodes with like the coup and
• 1:36:56
  everything it was like it was mostly well done.
• 1:36:58
  I would say Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
• 1:37:02
  Okay. And then we already talked about
• 1:37:04
  the last 20 minutes, so we don't have to do that.
• 1:37:07
  Um, is there any other God, any other notes that you have about
• 1:37:13
  the crown clown? No, I think that was those
• 1:37:16
  everything I just, I had like, these are just random like
• 1:37:19
  comments or really funny like when um, when the secretary
• 1:37:23
  stabs how soon to. So it's a mimic the scar from a
• 1:37:26
  bro right bro, but it was so funny when it And and has to go.
• 1:37:31
  So you're telling me not to run away or die and then why'd you
• 1:37:33
  stab me? And I was like, that's such a
• 1:37:35
  mood and then like my next note goes.
• 1:37:38
  Oh, there is a reason right? Well, I'm confused about, I
• 1:37:44
  guess. Why did he March him up this
• 1:37:46
  Giant mountain only to like drag him nearly to the edge of the
• 1:37:51
  cliff, and then stabbed him directly in the chest and give
• 1:37:54
  this super dramatic line. Like the Clown house on this
• 1:37:58
  bed, like the q word. Oh the king and for what like
• 1:38:02
  you could have just done this somewhere else.
• 1:38:04
  Like I don't know. It was it's for just a quick
• 1:38:07
  Harry. Yeah.
• 1:38:09
  It's for the nice. Yes, for the G.
• 1:38:10
  You know, just to show not for any particular reason to be like
• 1:38:15
  drag him up and he was like Breathing heavily heavily
• 1:38:18
  breathing, he had sweat all over him, like it was a trek to get
• 1:38:22
  up there, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:38:25
  I think it was a bit of symbolism, really of like, I
• 1:38:30
  think is where it comes from of, like, like the disclosure of
• 1:38:32
  like your real life and like, starting a new life, we're gonna
• 1:38:38
  more or less toss the old life off the off the cliff here.
• 1:38:42
  I think that was the point of that.
• 1:38:44
  If we're gonna do this here and also there's so many eyes in the
• 1:38:47
  walls of the palace that I feel like Kim just stop.
• 1:38:51
  And then they're like, it's just asking somebody to walk in right
• 1:38:54
  at the wrong moment. Yeah, here's my thing too.
• 1:38:58
  Is that they're often like Having important conversations
• 1:39:01
  between one another revealing conversations between one
• 1:39:04
  another. And I'm like so look the what
• 1:39:07
  the walls are literally made of paper saying.
• 1:39:11
  There's no way that there's nobody else that hears this and
• 1:39:16
  knows your story and the secret. So it was kind of funny to me,
• 1:39:21
  it's a recurring thing in socks with a like shut the doors.
• 1:39:24
  Everyone leave the room and I'm like, they're standing right
• 1:39:28
  outside the door. Like all of your everything's
• 1:39:30
  aren't there. Yeah I it's a silly problem.
• 1:39:35
  I have in like all of the historical dramas I watch but
• 1:39:38
  there is the the one with the E Min-ho.
• 1:39:44
  Faith. No, no, it's modern day.
• 1:39:47
  Like palace stuff and I'm living.
• 1:39:49
  I owe the king of tournament. Yes.
• 1:39:52
  Yes. I would, they actually pointed
• 1:39:54
  out in that one, they're like, because it's like somebody's
• 1:39:58
  literally standing there and they're like, yeah.
• 1:39:59
  I was listening on the other side of the wall, I was like,
• 1:40:03
  thank you. I'm glad it's acknowledged
• 1:40:04
  somewhere, right? It's literally a paper.
• 1:40:08
  It's literally like you could poke a hole through that.
• 1:40:12
  At and it'd make no difference anyway um I really appreciate
• 1:40:17
  you coming on the show and talking for an extended length
• 1:40:20
  of time on a very well done Saga.
• 1:40:22
  Look, I think you can agree. It's pretty well done.
• 1:40:25
  Despite your qualms with it and your low Hoops or for it.
• 1:40:29
  I would still recommend it to people who like this type of
• 1:40:32
  show because it's just not for me personally.
• 1:40:35
  Gotcha. But I think it was really well
• 1:40:37
  done. The acting was amazing.
• 1:40:39
  The production is amazing. Yeah.
• 1:40:41
  Even like the little Settle things with like the score, like
• 1:40:44
  with the the episode, where the King dies and then it's just the
• 1:40:48
  beach. Waves is all you here.
• 1:40:50
  Stop like I'm getting emotional, it's just so good.
• 1:40:55
  Well done. So no, I would still recommend
• 1:40:57
  it, even though I personally wasn't super super into it fair
• 1:41:03
  fair. I would definitely recommend it.
• 1:41:04
  I think it's actually quite underrated because I just don't
• 1:41:08
  see people talking about the crown clown, like, they should,
• 1:41:11
  you know, people talking about hotel do Luna same year.
• 1:41:13
  What are we doing? Why are we talking about the
• 1:41:15
  crown clown? Like, come on anyway.
• 1:41:18
  Yeah, thank you Alex, thank you so much for being able to watch
• 1:41:21
  16 hours of television with me. I had so much fun.
• 1:41:26
  Oh good. I'm so glad every day.
• 1:41:27
  So it was like, I had so much fun.
• 1:41:28
  I'm like, oh, that is music to my ears.
• 1:41:31
  I love to hear it. Where can people find you
• 1:41:33
  online? Alex.
• 1:41:34
  Um, well, the podcast is on all the platforms and then I am on
• 1:41:38
  Twitter and Instagram and I'm slowly getting it, a tick tock
• 1:41:42
  but I don't know. Doing so it's just kind of
• 1:41:44
  there. Yeah mostly on Instagram I think
• 1:41:46
  at this point. So okay nice so follower at all.
• 1:41:50
  Hull you been. Wow I'm so sorry at how you been
• 1:41:54
  I have that right yeah okay perfect definitely give Alex a
• 1:41:58
  follow. She's wonderful she will talk to
• 1:42:00
  you about Kpop kdrama. Anything.
• 1:42:03
  How you wave? She's a really great friend on
• 1:42:07
  the social. So I again want to thank you so
• 1:42:10
  much for coming on this humble podcast.
• 1:42:13
  And I think that's it. That's a wrap for the crown
• 1:42:14
  Cloud. That's been our show.
• 1:42:16
  I'm Jessica and this has been the debacle Rambles podcast.