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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Bombshell: D4VD Murder Accomplice In Death Of Celeste, 14, RPT · TAKEN TV Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight, D4VD, a.k.a. David Anthony Burke, murder accomplice in
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  Speaker 1: the brutal, the savage death of a 14-year-old girl, Celeste.
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  Speaker 1: According to reports, let that sink in. Police, LAPD, reportedly
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  Speaker 1: investigating a suspect, a co-defendant in the murder of A
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  Speaker 1: 14-year-old girl, Celeste. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke contacting minors from behind bars.
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  Speaker 2: But did you ever learn about consent about maybe not
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  Speaker 2: getting with a minor?
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  Speaker 1: A 13-year-old girl you're texting to get an abortion and
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  Speaker 1: he's worried about mommy.
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  Speaker 2: Who else was possibly responsible and had knowledge of what
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  Speaker 2: was going on for Celeste that is to blame in this?
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  Speaker 3: I've already been told a name as well.
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  Speaker 4: A name of a suspect?
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  Speaker 5: Of another person besides him.
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  Speaker 6: In connection with the death or the dismemberment?
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  Speaker 5: They're not ruling anything out. I mean, everything is on
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  Speaker 5: the table. They have kept this wide open because they
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  Speaker 5: believe and they believed since the beginning that since the get-go,
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  Speaker 5: that there was more than one person involved. The other
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  Speaker 5: person is not somebody after the car was found. That
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  Speaker 5: would appear, or somebody close in time, is somebody who
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  Speaker 5: was geographically overlaid with his location, and they are surmising
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  Speaker 5: from that circumstantial evidence that the two of them had
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  Speaker 5: a connection to either the trip or something that potentially
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  Speaker 5: could have been untoward.
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  Speaker 1: That's two angry men, my friend Harvey Levin over at
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  Speaker 1: TMZ and my sparring partner, my sparring opponent, Mark Garagos,
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  Speaker 1: who shot to fame across the country when he defended
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson and many other famous killers. That said... Let
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  Speaker 1: that sink in. Joining me in All-Star Panel to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning tonight, we believed at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning it was a matter of time before digital
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  Speaker 1: forensics ruled the day. A murder case is not just
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  Speaker 1: something you throw together. There are many, many facets. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the body, as it were, decomposed in the
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  Speaker 1: back of D4VD David Anthony Burke's trunk. His front, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, it's a Tesla. It's in the front of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle. Making sense of who is it. When Celeste's
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  Speaker 1: body was found, it was largely goo, G-O-O. It had
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  Speaker 1: been deteriorating for so many, many days. Then there are eyewitnesses.
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  Speaker 1: Then there are earwitnesses. Then there are statements. Then there's
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  Speaker 1: grand jury testimony. And finally, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: All of the digital forensic evidence falls into place. We've
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  Speaker 1: got an all-star panel for you tonight analyzing what we
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  Speaker 1: are learning. There is a suspect number two. There is
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  Speaker 1: an accomplice. Will that accomplice choose to be a state's
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  Speaker 1: witness or a co-defendant in a murder case? Straight out
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  Speaker 1: to special guest joining us, Robert Freed, Certified Forensics Analyst, EVP,
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  Speaker 1: a Forensics and Chief Investigative Officer, author of five digital
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  Speaker 1: forensics books, including Forensics Data Collection 2.0. It's a whole
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  Speaker 1: series on digital forensics. Okay, Robert, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us tonight. All along, I have believed that by
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  Speaker 1: following the digital trail of D4VD, a.k.a. David Anthony Burke,
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  Speaker 1: we would discover who was traveling with him in that Tesla,
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  Speaker 1: who moved the Tesla, who was with him when the
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  Speaker 1: body was disarticulated in that inflatable kiddie pool car, then
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  Speaker 1: put literally in a body bag the idiots ordered on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: They go on and put in body bag. That said,
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  Speaker 1: how does it work? You heard Geragos and you heard
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  Speaker 1: Levin talking about overlaying, overlaying D4VD' s movements. Okay, dummy down
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  Speaker 1: for me. What are they saying?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it depends on looking at different types of social
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  Speaker 7: media accounts that he may be logged into at the time.
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  Speaker 7: There's GPS coordinates that can be obtained from all this activity.
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  Speaker 7: So if you're on, let's say, Facebook or X or
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  Speaker 7: other types of services and you're posting on those and
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  Speaker 7: you have exact precise location types of options available in
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  Speaker 7: these apps to trace your locations, this is definitely an
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  Speaker 7: opportunity for investigators to go in and gather that information
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  Speaker 7: and associate it to a specific location you may be in.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on. Put him back up, please. I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about the phone, digital tracking of the phone. I
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  Speaker 1: was also thinking about the navigation system, the nav system
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  Speaker 1: in the Tesla, which is highly sophisticated. They've even got
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  Speaker 1: a 365 degree camera on a lot of Teslas. But
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  Speaker 1: you just said something I hadn't thought about. Social media.
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  Speaker 1: I assume you're talking about geotagging. When you post something,
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  Speaker 1: it geotags where you are. Because in my book, Don't
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  Speaker 1: Be a Victim, I talk about take geotagging off if
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  Speaker 1: you don't want the world to know where you're posting
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  Speaker 1: your child's photo. They give you the exact location of
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  Speaker 1: your front yard. So geotagging. You said, Robert Freed, Social
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  Speaker 1: media accounts he was logged into. That doesn't give you
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  Speaker 1: a running navigation map, does it? Or does it? Because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he was posting, hey, here's where I
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  Speaker 1: disarticulated the body. Here's where I buried remains. Here's where
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  Speaker 1: I threw away the passport. So how does being logged
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  Speaker 1: into social media tell me anything unless you're actually posting
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  Speaker 1: at that moment?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can post, but your phone in general, like
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  Speaker 7: you said, is also tracking at the same time. your locations,
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  Speaker 7: for example, Snapchat, things like that. So it all depends.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's, like we said, you know, in the beginning,
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  Speaker 7: it's connecting the dots here. It's looking at, you know,
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  Speaker 7: posts on social media, potentially.
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  Speaker 3: It's the car. It's pinging of cell phone.
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  Speaker 7: Towers to show a location here. And I think all
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  Speaker 7: those points together need to be considered when looking at
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  Speaker 7: a case like this.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this. Robert Freed, what is
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  Speaker 1: a data dump? Could that help? Or is that just TMI,
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  Speaker 1: too much information? When they know who his inner circle is,
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  Speaker 1: they can just get their phones by subpoena and follow
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  Speaker 1: the trail, right? From AT & T or T-Mobile or Verizon.
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  Speaker 1: Or do they need to do a cell tower dump
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  Speaker 1: to find out everybody that may have been there, whether
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  Speaker 1: they are known in the circle or not?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it depends on the level of effort that they
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  Speaker 7: want to go do that. But there are specialists that
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  Speaker 7: focus in on cell power and information and And gathering that, again,
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  Speaker 7: you have to interpret that information and see if you
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  Speaker 7: can find that information to be useful here. I think
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  Speaker 7: in a combination, again, of the cell phone tower data
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  Speaker 7: in conjunction with information on the phone, from the car,
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  Speaker 7: all these different things can be very helpful.
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  Speaker 1: How do you do a cell tower dump? And please
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  Speaker 1: be succinct and dummy down for me because it's actually
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  Speaker 1: very complicated. What is a cell tower dump?
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  Speaker 4: Let's just pretend.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just pretend, okay? that we're taking the cell tower
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  Speaker 1: closest to that spot in Santa Barbara where we know
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  Speaker 1: items were disposed, such as Celeste's passport. I mean, in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night, I'm going to circle back
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  Speaker 1: to you, Steve Fisher, on that. In the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the night, I think it was 2 or 3 a.m.,
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  Speaker 1: when everybody else was sleeping so they'd be up bright
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  Speaker 1: and early the next morning for work, D-4VD and his
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  Speaker 1: henchperson out driving around in Santa Barbara in a remote
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  Speaker 1: and forested area.
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why. As I told juries repeatedly, Robert Freed,
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  Speaker 1: nothing good happens after midnight. So what's he doing out
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  Speaker 1: at 2 a.m. in a remote forested area? Well, of course,
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  Speaker 1: police find out from the digital trail, and they go there,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where her passport and other items were found.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just pretend we're taking the cell tower closer
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  Speaker 1: to that spot. Okay, that's where we are. Now what
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  Speaker 1: do we do?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so you would be able to subpoena the... you know,
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  Speaker 7: sell providers for information and law enforcement can sift through that.
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  Speaker 7: But I think that that is information that can be
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  Speaker 7: very useful in cases to help corroborate the other evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Freed, put him up. Freed, when you just said sifting
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  Speaker 1: through it, I love to cook and you made me
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  Speaker 1: think of sifting flour. Okay. Over and over and all
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  Speaker 1: the particles coming down into whatever it is you're cooking.
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  Speaker 1: So it's my understanding with a cell tower dump, you say, okay,
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  Speaker 1: his car is there at 2 a.m. Let's get every
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  Speaker 1: cell phone that connects to the Santa Barbara Tower closest
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  Speaker 1: to the location between midnight and 4 a.m. Every cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: And then you sift through that to see if anything
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  Speaker 1: interests you. Is that what a cell tower dump is.
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  Speaker 3: Essentially, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. When you look at this digital trail, do you
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  Speaker 1: actually see, for instance, D4VD' s phone and then the co-defendant's
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  Speaker 1: phone going along together?
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  Speaker 7: You can, depending on activity within the cell phones at
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  Speaker 7: the time. You would have to be able to get
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  Speaker 7: their devices to corroborate that type of information. So if
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  Speaker 7: his phone's already been collected in and then this supposed
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  Speaker 7: accomplice has been giving of his devices as well, you're
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  Speaker 7: going to be able to piece that information together.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the digital angle that you're describing, Robert Free,
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  Speaker 1: but what about GPS?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we can definitely look at GPS coordinates. Those are
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  Speaker 7: tied into phones, for example, your movements. If you get
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  Speaker 7: a full file system dump of these various phones, the
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  Speaker 7: investigators can go in And they can look at all
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  Speaker 7: these different data points and corroborate other evidence showing, like
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  Speaker 7: we said before, a path of evidence or a path
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  Speaker 7: of travel.
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  Speaker 6: Two separate law enforcement sources have told reporters that detectives
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  Speaker 6: do not believe this was a one person job. According
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  Speaker 6: to those sources, investigators think a second individual was involved
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  Speaker 6: in the effort to dispose of Celeste's body during the
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  Speaker 6: months before she was found inside that Tesla. So now
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  Speaker 6: the focus isn't just on what happened. It's on who
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  Speaker 6: else might have played a role in this thing. Who
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  Speaker 6: is this other person? A friend? Someone in a circle maybe?
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  Speaker 6: Or someone the public doesn't even know exists? When detectives
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  Speaker 6: believe a second person was involved, that tells you this
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  Speaker 6: wasn't one terrible moment or one impulsive decision. It suggests planning.
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  Speaker 6: It suggests coordination. It suggests someone else out there is
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  Speaker 6: holding secrets and staying quiet, at least for now.
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  Speaker 1: That is Blackie Speaks on YouTube, and I really was captivated,
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  Speaker 1: interested in the last thing he said. Randolph Rice joining me,
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  Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney joining us out of Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: At Rice Law, Randolph Rice, this suspect can either choose
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  Speaker 1: to be a state's witness or a co-defendant. Think about
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  Speaker 1: what Blackie Speaks on YouTube just said. When detectives believe
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  Speaker 1: a second person is involved, that tells you it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just one terrible moment or one impulsive decision. It suggests
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  Speaker 1: planning and coordination. Someone out there is holding secrets and
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  Speaker 1: staying quiet.
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  Speaker 3: Thoughts?
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  Speaker 8: Nancy, I hate to say I told you so, but
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  Speaker 8: I told you so. A couple weeks ago, I told
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  Speaker 8: you there's this SOD, some other dude. And you said, oh, no,
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  Speaker 8: there couldn't be some other dude.
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  Speaker 1: But guess what?
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  Speaker 8: There is some other dude. Mm-mm.
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  Speaker 3: There is.
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  Speaker 1: No, no. You said some other dude. It's S.O.D.D. Some
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  Speaker 1: other dude did it. I never said there wasn't a co-defendant,
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  Speaker 1: but I always said some other dude did not do this.
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  Speaker 1: So you're just spinning. But I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Give me your theory how this could possibly
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  Speaker 1: be good for David Anthony Burke.
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  Speaker 8: This is fantastic for David Anthony Burke because if he
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  Speaker 8: has to go to trial, he's going to be pointing
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  Speaker 8: the finger at this other person. This is the other
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  Speaker 8: person that was holding the sword or whatever the device
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  Speaker 8: was that stabbed Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Rivas.
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  Speaker 8: This is the other person that put her in the frunk.
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  Speaker 8: This is the other person that drove her away.
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  Speaker 4: Not me.
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  Speaker 8: This is the other person that had something to lose.
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  Speaker 8: Not me. That's the person who killed her. Not me.
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  Speaker 8: This is the sound of the reasonable doubt train coming
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  Speaker 8: down the tracks, and it is coming down fast.
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  Speaker 1: Put him up. There he is in all of his
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  Speaker 1: splendor and glory. So Randolph Rice, when you said some
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  Speaker 1: other dude did it, are you now stating that some
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  Speaker 1: other dude did it all, that it wasn't D4VD? Because
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  Speaker 1: I've never, ever thought he did not have a henchperson
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  Speaker 1: hanging around. He can't do anything on his own. He
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  Speaker 1: always has to have all of his parasite groupies hanging
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  Speaker 1: around with him. Let's see some of that video. Everywhere
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  Speaker 1: he goes, even to the bathroom, There's all these people there.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be alone. Remember, he just moved
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  Speaker 1: out of his mommy's house. He's still a teen when
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  Speaker 1: he moves to L.A. and launches his life. Oh, there
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  Speaker 1: you go. I love boobs is getting oil rubbed into
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  Speaker 1: his body. So Randolph Rice, I never thought he was
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  Speaker 1: alone when he murdered Celeste, according to reports. But you're
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  Speaker 1: now saying, He did not murder Celeste. You're saying somebody
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  Speaker 1: else did it totally. Is that going to be the defense, Bryce?
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  Speaker 8: Well, the defense is going to be reasonable doubt. There's
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  Speaker 8: somebody else involved. And I got to tell you, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: I think there's more than one co-conspirator or other individual,
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  Speaker 8: because I just think that there had to be more
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  Speaker 8: people in this circle of D4VD that were looking out
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  Speaker 8: for him, his interest. And at the end of the day, Nancy,
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  Speaker 8: More so, they're looking out for their interest, protecting what
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  Speaker 8: they can get off of him. And so, yes, there
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  Speaker 8: is reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, and reasonable doubt is all
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  Speaker 8: his defense team needs to get either a hung jury
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  Speaker 8: or not guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just refresh your recollection, as we say in court.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Freed, isn't it true that if the co-defendant's phone
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  Speaker 1: is overlaying a phone, And that phone on the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of this gesticulation is D4VD. I don't know how Randolph
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  Speaker 1: Rice is going to get away from the fact that D4VD,
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  Speaker 1: David Anthony Burke's phone, is right there at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the murder and the disarticulation, that it's his phone
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  Speaker 1: that is going out to the remote Santa Barbara area.
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  Speaker 1: So what if he's got a henchperson as a wingman?
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't relieve him of his liability, of his culpability,
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  Speaker 1: If it's his phone traveling too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 7: If you can take that information and like you said,
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  Speaker 7: overlay it and they're going the same path, the same direction,
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  Speaker 7: that's very good evidence that there's some relationship there, association.
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  Speaker 1: To Steve Fisher joining us, Missing Persons Private Investigator, Search
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  Speaker 1: Rescue Specialist, Owner of Search Investigations. He is the one
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  Speaker 1: that basically handed over video evidence to LAPD on a
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  Speaker 1: silver platter. Let's see that video that Fisher got showing,
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  Speaker 1: there you go, there is Burke's Tesla being moved throughout
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  Speaker 1: a period of weeks because in that fancy neighborhood, they
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  Speaker 1: don't want a filthy, disgusting, stinky car parked in front
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  Speaker 1: of their house. So if it's there for over a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days, it has to be moved or it's
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  Speaker 1: going to get towed. And ultimately, it did get towed. So,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, how often, and I know, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: you've seen the face of the person driving the car,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I know who it is. Are you
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  Speaker 1: ready to tell me?
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  Speaker 3: No. Not yet. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see. We'll see. But, Fisher... I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you about the Tesla itself and what you observed
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  Speaker 1: when you saw all this video. Because, come on, if
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  Speaker 1: it's somebody else's phone that they have now identified and
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  Speaker 1: are going to name as a suspect, we believe, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to see their phone going.
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  Speaker 4: Parallel park.
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  Speaker 1: You want to tell me you couldn't smell that body
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  Speaker 1: decomposing during all of that? Tell me what you saw
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  Speaker 1: on the video and how that's going to relate to
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  Speaker 1: the digital forensics we are now learning about that it
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  Speaker 1: does exist and it points to a co-defendant.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so, you know, the Tesla was being moved in
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  Speaker 9: that particular shop. That's right before, that's the day that
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: they were leaving to start their tour. So they were
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  Speaker 9: leaving for months. So the Tesla was being moved away
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  Speaker 9: from the house. However, I'm speaking with, you know, neighbors.
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  Speaker 9: They said that beginning in about May, the Tesla would
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  Speaker 9: be left at different spots around the neighborhood. And as
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  Speaker 9: I said before, the neighbors across the street, actually, they
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  Speaker 9: would get this horrible stench anytime it'd be over like
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  Speaker 9: 75 degrees. They had buried a dog that had died,
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: and they were unearthing that dog, thinking that's what it
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  Speaker 9: was coming from.
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  Speaker 3: But really, it was the Tesla parked on the street.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, you're going to.
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  Speaker 9: See, listen, He had people over at the house all
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  Speaker 9: the time. He was not the person who rented the
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  Speaker 9: house either, let's keep in mind. So there was other
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  Speaker 9: people living there. So you're going to see these phones
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  Speaker 9: moving in tandem with each other, including burners. Because if
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  Speaker 9: he's driving out to State Road 154 in Santa Barbara,
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  Speaker 9: and all of a sudden a new device that's not
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  Speaker 9: known to the geofence turns on and is pinging and
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  Speaker 9: tracking with his, they're going to know that that's a
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  Speaker 9: burner attached to him. And, you know, I went out
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  Speaker 9: to State Road 154 again three days ago. And, you know,
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  Speaker 9: I think that if a big effort was put in
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  Speaker 9: that the evidence that he left out there could be
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  Speaker 9: found because there's not that many areas that he can
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  Speaker 9: really go far off road.
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  Speaker 3: It's a single lane highway in each direction and it
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  Speaker 3: has license plates.
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  Speaker 4: Readers.
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  Speaker 3: So he's really screwed.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: So Steve Fisher, based on what you obtained, what you
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: discovered and you handed over to the LAPD, somebody, potentially
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the suspect that we believe LAPD is going to name,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: is moving the car, and if we have their phone number,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: which LAPD does have, we're going to see them moving
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the car, parking the car. I mean, how many times
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: at the most did they move the car and at
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the least?
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: Look how filthy the car is. You can tell it's
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: not being driven as a regular driver, but it's being
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: moved around. And, you know, listen, everybody I've talked to,
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: everything we see online on Twitch and everything, he was
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: rarely alone. And I think it's really, really important to
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: remember that when this murder happened, 24 hours later, he
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: was leaving for New York and he did leave for
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: New York to go to a pop-up event for his
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: album release. He had a party the next night, his
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: album release party, that this was the record company.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: This was it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: This was the payoff. This is where the money was
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: coming in. Everybody was in town. The managers were in town.
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: His family was in town. His friends were in town.
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: He was not, you know, it's just like the Academy Awards.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: Those people that are up for Academy Awards, they're never
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: alone for the week or two before the event. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: here we are 24 hours before the party for his
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: album release.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: He was not alone. There's just no way.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: They did find information that showed that somebody knew about
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: what had happened at that connection with the parking of
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: the car. when David was out of the jurisdiction. They
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: believe they know who it was. The other person is
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: not somebody after the car was found. That would appear,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: or somebody close in time, is somebody who was geographically
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: overlaid with his location, and they are surmising from that
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: circumstantial evidence that the two of them had a connection
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: to either the trip or something that potentially could have
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: been untoward.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: That's our friend Harvey Levin on Two Angry Men with
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: renowned defense attorney Mark Garagos. Joe Scott Morgan joining me,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University, and he is the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: star of a YouTube hit, Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He is a death investigator with over 10,000 death scenes
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: under his belt that he personally investigated. Joe Scott, thank
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Let's just get real.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: By the time that Tesla was moved, her body had
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to have a serious stench. No way could you get
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in that vehicle and not know something horrible had happened.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And as you drive away and move it, the stench
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: goes with you. So it's not as if there is
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: a dead animal in the road or some other source
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of the stench. It's in the car. Now, who would
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: you ask to go move your car that had a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: dead body in it? Somebody you trust, somebody you really trust.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Is there any way somebody could have gotten in that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: car and not smell the decomp. And what was the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: condition of her body when it was found, Joe Scott?
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so listen to me here. The reality is this.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: As you saw that clip of the car driving past,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: her body was in such an advanced state of decomposition
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: that if you were walking your dog down the road
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: at that moment in time, you would have gotten a
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: whiff of this. That's how pervasive the smell is. And also,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: anybody that gets into the cab of this vehicle What
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: we would traditionally call in a standard car, where you
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: have the engine up front, the firewall that separates the
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: engine compartment, which doesn't exist here, from the interior, firewall
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: is not going to prevent that smell from getting into
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: the cabin of the car as well. So yeah, it
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: would have been quite pervasive. Now, what condition was she in? Well,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: we've heard her description from from the authorities as being
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: almost liquefied, soup-like. It's not surprising. Her remains, these dismembered remains,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I want to remind everybody, had essentially begun to liquefy.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And they're in a couple of different conveyances, you will.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: The most prominent for me is the body bag, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: that was apparently acquired by this individual or these individuals.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: And so they've got her contained. And Nancy, as you
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: can imagine, been around a lot of body bags. The
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: smell is not going to be contained within the body
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: bag either. It will seep out. You will smell it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: But you just have to understand that as long as
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: that body had been in there and also kind of
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: cooking along all this time out there on the street,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Every single second that body is beginning to liquefy, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: cells are literally, you use the term goo, turning into that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: The cell walls are beginning to degrade and break down.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: So this is leaching out all over the area within
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: the inside of this car. As a matter of fact,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know that you could take this car now,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: wherever it is, and clean it to the standard where
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: someone would actually want to utilize this car any longer.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: It would It's within the car. You can't escape this.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Well, to you, Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter, some
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: time between the time Celeste's body, 14-year-old Celeste, who's lured
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to D4VD' s mansion. Let's see a shot of that mansion.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: She's lured there. She's ordered up like she's a pepperoni pizza.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: D4VD pays for the Uber. She gets there, that photo
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: from Harvey 11 over at TMZ, and she dies that night.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: At some point, Dave Mack, from the time that her
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: disarticulated body is put into the trunk and the time
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the vehicle is found, I wonder if Steve Fisher might
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: know the answer to this, but at some point between
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: those two junctures, somebody throws what? 10 of those little
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree air fresheners in there?
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah, somebody was obviously noticing the odor inside this vehicle
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: and probably outside and decided that it was in their
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: best interest to try to cover up the horrible odor
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: and use air fresheners. And as you mentioned, 10 or
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: more air fresheners put inside the Tesla. Remember, we are
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: talking about between April 23rd, when she arrives at D4VD' s house,
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: through September the 3rd, when it's ticketed, September the 5th,
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: when it's towed, and September the 8th, when it's opened.
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: So 10 air fresheners did not cover up the odor.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Randolph Rice joining me. Randolph, the 11 plus air fresheners. Typically,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you see an air freshener hanging on somebody's rearview mirror.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: But in this case, it was so intentional. I mean,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the air fresheners were not only hanging from the rearview mirror,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: they were stuffed around the console. Many were sprinkled in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the front. More were tucked into the rear seats and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the door pockets. The smell was so bad that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: were depositing, planting the air fresheners like Easter eggs. In
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: other words, put up rice. Someone that was moving that vehicle.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm getting to the existence of a co-defendant. And the
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: murder and or the disarticulation of a little girl's body.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And they so callously stuffed air fresheners like Easter eggs
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: inside that murder frunk. That was intentional by the person
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that smelled the decomp. That person, I submit to you,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is a co-defendant. Who else would do that?
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: Or Is he the actual, he or she, the defendant?
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: And Mr. Burke just happens to be in the sidelines
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: somewhere not knowing about what's actually going on because he
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: has all these hanger-ons. Is this the person who stabbed her?
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: Is this the person who hung those air fresheners in
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: the car, this co-defendant or this defendant who is going
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: to drag Mr. Burke down because he just happens to
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: be associated with him? I think there's a lot of
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: unanswered questions. And right now, if I'm Mr. Burke's defense team,
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: I like those unanswered questions because that helps my client
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: show somebody else did this.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: To Rachel Tolles joining us, clinical forensic psychologist, author of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a brand new book coming out, Inventing the Psychopath and more.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Rachel, who, what ghoul would go along with this? Sure,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I'll move your girlfriend's dead body around in the trunk,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: around in the frunk of your Tesla. Happy to, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: not just once, but multiple times, smelling a decomposing body, Dr. Rachel,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and gingerly stuffing air fresheners. throughout the car, including on
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: top of the body and the trunk.
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: Who?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Who does that?
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Nancy, I mean, it's a really interesting psychological question.
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: Who would be willing to be a part of something
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: like this? So when I look at it, I would
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: examine probably someone who either is intensely loyal, so possibly
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: not saying a family member, but somebody who would basically
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: do anything for this person. Maybe somebody who's financially dependent
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: on him because now he's got a lot of money.
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: Somebody maybe whose entire identity is wrapped up in being
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: close to this famous person. Celebrity creates a very unusual
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: power dynamic. People can feel important simply because they're part
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: of someone's inner circle. And sometimes loyalty becomes so extreme
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: that people begin to rationalize behavior that they would ordinarily
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: find horrifying. So there's actually a famous quote. series of
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: experiments conducted by the psychologist Stanley Milgram that demonstrates just
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: how susceptible ordinary people can be to perceived authority. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: that would include somebody famous. Participants in the study believed
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: that they were administering increasingly dangerous electric shocks to other
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: people because an authority figure said that they needed to continue.
• 31:18
  Speaker 11: And it was shown that 65% went all the way
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: to the maximum shock level, which they believed could cause
• 31:25
  Speaker 11: death And so these are not just, you know, people
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: who someone might call a psychopath. These are just ordinary
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: people that were selected because we wanted to see, okay,
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: what would ordinary people do if a perceived authority person said,
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: do this thing? And so I think the most important, obviously,
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: question that a lot of you have been circling today
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: is when this person became involved. Because obviously helping somebody
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: plan a murder is very different psychologically from being called
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: afterwards and agreeing to help conceal it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: What about it, Joe Scott Morgan?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Hey, I got to tell you something, Nancy, dovetailing with
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: what Doc just said. Here's the really terrifying part of this.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: If folks will take the right hand and find the
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: base of the ribs on the right side, that's approximating
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: where your liver is. She has got a fatal stab wound,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: according to the ME, to this particular area, more toward
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the midline. Nancy, this was not a quick death. This
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: was something where she languished from. Liver insults like this
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: do not take one out very, very quickly. Now, she's
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: got another injury on her left side. But it just,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: it scrapes the rib. Here's the other thing. Whoever was
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: with this individual, okay, would have been there potentially present
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: and watching the life literally leak out of her or
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: internally because she's dying of internal bleeding at this point
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: in time. One other thing as well, having spent a
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: long time in the morgue and being around bodies, When
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: it comes to civilians who enter into my world where
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: we're using surgical instruments to render down bodies and disarticulate
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: bits of bodies, it's something that most people cannot bear
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: to be around. They want to exit and get out
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: of there as quickly as possible. Nancy, you've got someone
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: who's potentially assisting him and aiding him. So you think
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: about this dynamic that she was mentioning, this dynamic could
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: actually overcome the grotesque nature of all of this. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: as you watch that precious little angel right there, she
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: would have bled out. And then someone's going to stand
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: by or even maybe assist in the disarticulation of her body,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: then facilitate getting the body into this car and then
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: riding around with the body there. It's beyond the pale, Nancy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: In addition to all of that, D4VD, a.k.a. David Anthony Burke,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: has just been in court in the last hours with
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: an all-new legal team that, by the way, you and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I are paying for. In the last 12 months, he
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: had millions and millions of dollars, and now he says, oop,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'm broke. Where did it go? How did he look
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: in court?
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: David came in, and he looked pretty sad, pretty, like, hopeless,
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: completely different to how he looked at the preliminary hearing.
• 34:30
  Speaker 12: And even last time at the status conference hearing, he
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: looked like his hair was a little bit grayer, kind
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: of like almost dirty, which again, when he was on
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: trial at the preliminary hearing, he looked happy as could be.
• 34:42
  Speaker 12: He was smiling, saying hi to the judge. You would
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: think that he was not on trial for murder. Today,
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: he looked a little bit more like someone who was
• 34:50
  Speaker 12: on trial for murder.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: He looked sad, depressed.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: That's Sloane Hooks on TikTok. Joining me now, a special guest,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Marissa Reyes. She is a star of The Light True Crime. Marissa,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. He looked sad.
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: Boo.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: He should be sad. What happened in court, and why
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: am I paying his legal bill?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the reports of David in court were just, he
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was looking sad. messy, exhausted, didn't have his glasses on, tired,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: which I don't feel bad at all for him. But
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: this happened to be the quickest hearing that we have
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: had in any of the hearings. It lasted maybe approximately
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: three minutes, and he had his public defense team. They
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: basically just pushed the date out to January 11, 2027.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: The defense also asked the prosecution for more evidence, and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: they provided them with hard drives, which again, this is
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: a point that I consistently make in this case, 40
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: terabytes of evidence, 40 terabytes. Now, when he originally would
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: come in with a private defense team, he seemed a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: little more upbeat. He was rolling with the big dogs
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: in court. But when you're walking in with public defense,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: they don't have the same type of resources to be
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: going through 40 terabytes of evidence the way his prior
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: defense team did. And I anticipate that's going to be
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a big reason that this case is probably going to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: be pushed out further as we go along.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So- In court, we are paying for a fleet of
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: lawyers for him. That costs a lot of money. And
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a long road to hoe.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Where is all of his money? Has it been transferred
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to other people's names? I know he hasn't spent it
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: all yet. So where is it? Is the court trying
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: to find out? Have they brought in a forensic accountant?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: That's a really big question. A lot of those journalists
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: are also there. Big question is what happened to all
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: this money? We heard in court that he was going
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: to be making approximately 13 million up to 19 million
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: with the release of his new album and everything. Now,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: did he get that? We don't believe so because he
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: didn't fulfill contracts. However, however, he was working all this
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: time beforehand. We know that his parents have various properties.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: He's got various entertainment companies, LLCs listed under his name.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: But the public defender verified that he qualifies for the defense.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: It still just doesn't make sense to any of us.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Is it true Marissa Reyes is joining us from the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: light true crime? Marissa, is it true that Celeste's family
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: is suing the so-called enablers, all of his gang, the leeches,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the parasites, the ticks that hung around him, soaking up
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: his celebrity life? suing them under the theory that they
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: enabled child abuse or worse. Absolutely.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: They have a wrongful death suit that's going to be
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: a massive lawsuit. And the big thing about this lawsuit
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: is they want to hold others accountable besides David, those
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: that were surrounding him, including his mother, who was aware
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of the trips that they made, who had Celeste at
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: her home in Texas. They have the various LLCs. They
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: have his bodyguard, Sheldon, on there. And one of the
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: things with this lawsuit is because it is a civil lawsuit,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: it would allow us to have more information in any
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: of the filings or motions that come through, which is
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: an interesting aspect to that. We're still looking for so
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: much more information in this case. We're still looking for
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that grand jury transcript to be unsealed, the investigative grand
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: jury that was held, that would hold so much more details,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: as well as to the fact that you were discussing before, who's...
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: possibly involved in this crime, because that grand jury transcript
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: would have some information from those that were testifying. We
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: only really heard experts and detectives testify in court at
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: the preliminary hearing. What I really want to hear from
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: is those that were around him every day.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Marissa Reyes, you are so right. And one thing I'm
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: latching onto that you said is, what can we learn
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: from the civil lawsuits Celeste Rivas' family is filing against
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: against the so-called enablers, because a lot of people think
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that civil and criminal do not overlap. But I really
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: learned when I was developing an expertise in felony arson investigations,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I really learned how valuable civil investigations can be because
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: when I got connected to the insurance fire investigator, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: learned so much. They had troves of information that I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: didn't have access to, and it really helped me prove
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: various arson cases that were extremely difficult to prove. So
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is absolutely correct, but I want to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: circle back to something you said at the get-go. You
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: said that he looked tired, that his, okay, I've got
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: that he looked, quote, like crap, that he had puffy eyes,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: long hair, and looked stressed. So, but is that true?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: He just came in messy. And looking down as well,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like I said, when he would come in with his
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: private defense team, he would come in seemingly, you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a little jovial. We were surprised how often he would smile.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: They would rub his back. He's not getting that with
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: his public defense team. You know, I think he's coming
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: in realizing he does not have the same power standing
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: behind him trying to defend him. This is a much
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: different situation now in the courtroom for him when he
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: walks in.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Rubbing his back, Randolph Rice. rubbing his back. Is that
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: what you get paid to do in court, Bryce?
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  Speaker 8: No, you don't get paid to rub backs, but I
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  Speaker 8: will tell you when you have a private defense team,
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  Speaker 8: you certainly get a lot more attention than you do
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  Speaker 8: from a public defender's office. And I'm not going to
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  Speaker 8: disparage public defenders because I work with them. I think
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  Speaker 8: they're incredible attorneys. They are just overloaded and they don't
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  Speaker 8: have the time to go the extra mile to and
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  Speaker 8: do things like glam ups or do things like making
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  Speaker 8: sure your client is in good spirits before you come
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  Speaker 8: out or going to the jail and meeting with your
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  Speaker 8: client maybe hours before the hearing to get them in
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  Speaker 8: the right mindset. So that's maybe why we're seeing him
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  Speaker 8: for this three minute hearing, not all happy, glowy, you know,
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  Speaker 8: sunshines and rainbows. So that is certainly explainable, but public
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  Speaker 8: defenders are good lawyers. They go through the cases just
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  Speaker 8: like a private attorney, but you're not going to get
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  Speaker 8: that attention like you do with a private attorney.
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  Speaker 1: And what the public defender has that every other private
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  Speaker 1: lawyer doesn't have is unlimited resources. What do I mean
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  Speaker 1: by that? You and me, the taxpayer, we're paying for
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: his trove of defense attorneys, but yet he's still sad
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  Speaker 1: sack in court. Gee, I wonder why. If you know
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: or think you know anything regarding the murder of Celeste Rivas,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: dial 213-486-6890. We remember American hero, Officer Andrew Lansing, Ohio
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  Speaker 1: Department Correction, killed and assaulted in the line of duty
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  Speaker 1: after 24 years, leaving behind a grieving wife, Chun, and children,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Kimberly May and Edward. American hero, Officer Andrew Lansing. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you to our guests, but especially to you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us tonight. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friends.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.