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You Are Not Alone: Finding Healing, Hope, and Freedom Through Courageous Divorce with Alisha Roth! · Anchored by the Sword

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Thank you for joining me on this episode of the Anchor by the
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Sword podcast. I pray that today's episode will
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leave you encouraged and also challenged in your faith.
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And I pray that. You would take the stories.
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That are talked about here today and share them with other
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people. Thank you so much for joining me
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and enjoy today's episode. Hey guys, welcome to this
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episode, the Anchor by the Sore podcast.
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I am super excited today to introduce you guys to Alicia
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Roth. She has a book that comes out
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this coming Tuesday called Courageous Divorce and a
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Christian Woman's Guide to Healing, Rebuilding and
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Embracing an Abundant Life. So I'm looking forward to
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talking with her, learning more about her story and just all of
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the things. So, Alicia, thank you for coming
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today. Thanks, Gina.
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I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely. Can you start by telling my
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listeners a little bit about yourself?
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Yeah, for sure. I am a mother to five daughters
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and 1 stepson and I was married before I went through a divorce
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and now I am remarried and we have a blended family.
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I am a writer and an editor and I also homeschool some of my
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children, so that keeps me very busy as well.
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That's awesome, 5 girls, what are their ages?
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My oldest is almost 15 and then my youngest just turned 2 so
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there's a pretty big age range and it's it's fun but keeps me
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very busy. Yeah, absolutely.
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I have 5 nephews and they range from 13 to 24.
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Oh, that's so fun. I remember how it would it how
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it was when they were all younger.
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They weren't with me 24/7 but I remember what it was like.
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I can't imagine 5 girls. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, even when they're all different, there is something
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that's really fun about having all the same gender.
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And even though there are days where I'm very exhausted, I love
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it. And I wouldn't have any other
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way. I love that.
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So let's talk about your personal freedom story.
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Yeah, so I grew up in the church.
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I grew up as a Christian and I was the kind of kid who just was
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sold out for God. And I read my Bible through an
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elementary school. I wanted to always do the right
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thing. And I often was like the golden
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child. I was the the one who was picked
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to lead in youth group. And I went on some mission trips
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and I really, really loved all of those things.
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And I think from a young age, I just had this deep desire to
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know the divine and to be connected to the Holy Spirit.
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And I, I'm so thankful for that. I think it was a gift to have
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such a strong desire for that as a young girl.
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Obviously, I was also shaped by the church that I grew up in and
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the family I grew up in, and I did.
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I grew up in a particular type of Christianity and when I went
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to college, I chose to go to Christian college and I had a
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great experience there. My experience open my eyes to
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realizing that there are different ways that Christians
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believe. And in some of these areas where
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I was like, oh, this is the only way that like end times can
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look. You can just have my eyes open
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to like, wow. Like there are people that
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really, really love God that see this differently.
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And I see that as a really pivotal point in my faith
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journey because it allowed me to be more curious with my faith
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and to recognize that Christians throughout millennia have been
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searching for who exactly God is and reading scriptures and
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sometimes seeing them differently.
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I got married very young. I was 20.
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I was a kind of girl that just like wanted to have a family and
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wanted to live for God. We were going to do mission
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work. And so we did some training for
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that, spent a month in Papua New Guinea with some of our
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missionary friends. And all of those things were
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really life changing for me. But I still was just like trying
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to just be a really good person and just do all the right
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things. And a number of things happened.
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And one of the biggest things that happened was shortly after
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we had our first daughter, my ex-husband and I, I learned
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something about his past that had happened before we were
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married. But while we were dating, that
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was a really big deal. It it harmed another person.
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It impacted me and I had no idea of how to deal with it.
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I was told that to be a Good Wife, you just always talk good
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about your husband and you just pray really hard for him and
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everything will be fine. So that's what I did.
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I just prayed really hard and I decided I was going to forgive
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him. And, but I, I never actually
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dealt with how it impacted me. And so then the years went on
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and we had more daughters and I actually made a choice a couple
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years after I learned that where I had an affair for seven
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months. And that was the first time I
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had ever done anything that was not like perfect, you know, it
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was not like being really good. And I had a lot of shame around
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that. I confessed it.
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And I also see that as a very important point in my faith
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journey because it helped me realize like, oh, I am really
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capable of hurt, hurting others as well and of not following
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God. But the issue was, was after
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that I was like, Oh, I just need to be really good again.
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And again, I didn't actually deal with like the root of that.
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And, and the thing, my ex-husband and I had a lot of
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roots that were not healthy. And so the things that had
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happened before our marriage that I didn't know, some lying
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that happened, things that he had lied to me about.
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And and then we had this new her in it that we weren't dealing
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with. And then after we've been
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married for 12 years, I was in my 30s, I decided I was going to
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start dealing with these things. I was just tired of our
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marriage, like being so unhealthy.
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And I was tired of not being really honest about life.
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And so I began having conversations with my husband at
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that point and sharing the things that I thought were
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unhealthy, the things that we needed to work on.
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And at that point, he started to sexually abuse me in my sleep.
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And it was really, really hard for me to know what to do.
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I have some some Christians that were in my life at that point
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that thought a husband has a right to his wife's body.
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And so I had those ideas in my head where I was like, maybe he
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is allowed to do this even though it doesn't feel right to
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me. And it feels like really
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hurtful. And especially because I
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confronted him about it and said like, I wasn't OK with this and
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he said he wouldn't do it again. And then it kept happening.
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So I started seeing a therapist at this point.
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And the, the thing that was really, really important in
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therapy was that my therapist named it as abuse.
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And it was really hard for me up to that point to actually see it
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as that. I didn't recognize that like I
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had a right to, to ask for things to not be done to my body
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and, and to be listened to you. The thing that was tricky then
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is then I decided I need to separate so that I can sleep at
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night. I don't have to worry about
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stuff happening to me. But at that point, I needed to
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decide what I was going to do. And I had always been told like,
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divorce is wrong, it's a sin. Like if you really love God,
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you're going to just like forgive forever and you will
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just keep trusting that, like God is going to make everything
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better. And I have an incredibly hopeful
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person. So there was a part of me that's
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like, like, am I giving up hope if I get a divorce?
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And I don't want to be giving up hope.
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Like I always believe somebody can change.
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But through my counselling and through Seeking God and through
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conversations that I was having with my ex-husband through this
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whole thing while we were still married at that point, I
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realized that he didn't see his actions as abuse.
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And and that we had so many years now of this damage that
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things weren't going to change. And I needed to choose what was
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healthy and best for myself and also my daughters because
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because we had four daughters together.
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And one of the things that I thought of was like, what if my
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daughter's came to me and, and they were going through this,
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like, how would I advise them? And I knew immediately that I
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would advise them to choose their health and to choose their
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wholeness and, and I wouldn't question whether God would still
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love them for choosing that. And that helped me to make my
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choice. And I had so many years still at
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that point of like theology that said like divorce is always
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wrong. And I had a lot.
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I had to undo a lot of that. And so it took time.
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But as I worked through that, as I was going through my divorce
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and then after my divorce, I found so much freedom in God and
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I felt like I was finally able to really discover God for
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myself. And he shows us through Jesus so
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clearly. But throughout the Bible, we
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just see God wants people to live the abundant life.
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God wants people to experience wholeness.
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And there is a sadness that comes with living on this earth
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where relationships do become broken and some of our desires
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are not fulfilled. Like ultimately my desire was
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for that fairy tale marriage, for everything.
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It'd be beautiful. And there is grief in that.
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And recognizing that like on this earth, everything will not
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be perfect, but also God can renew our lives.
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And through my divorce, even though there was a lot of
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brokenness, I found so much beauty and I felt God through
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every step of the way. And I feel like when I went
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through the divorce, I felt like everything was so dark, but
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there was this tiny light that I could see off in the distance.
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And it just felt like God like guiding me forward, like I will
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find happiness and wholeness again.
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And I really have. That's amazing.
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Thank you so much for sharing your story.
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Like we were talking about prior to starting today, there's so
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many people that we know, we being listeners and church
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women, Christian women that have gone through divorce and have
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had to battle through the stigma of divorce in the Christian
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world because unfortunately they there is one, especially amongst
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like different generations. We'll just put it that way in
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the church where it's where it's like, OK, well, you just
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whatever happens, it's allowed and it's fine and you know, move
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along with life. And it's like, no, it's actually
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not because I walked with a friend through divorce.
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This was several years ago because she's since remarried as
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well. And some of the things that she
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walked through, I didn't know and I knew both of them and I
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had no idea. But I also hadn't seen her in a
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long time. So I didn't know all the things
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that were going on with her prior to the divorce filing.
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And you know, it's, it was so sad.
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But you know, she, she knows that God still loves her.
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God still loves him. They just were choosing
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different paths and the path they were going together was not
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healthy. Yeah, yeah, I think you make a
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really good point there about it's so hard to know what is
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really going on in other people's marriages.
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And a lot of people didn't know what was going on in mine
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because I was trying to make it look like it all was good.
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And some of that was because I thought that was my duty as a
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Christian wife to like, always speak of good of my husband and
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to, you know, just praying really hard and, and make sure
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everything was good. And it wasn't because I wanted
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to be fake. It was because I really wanted
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to be a godly woman. And, and, and I think that that
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is one of the reasons that women do it.
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And sometimes it's because they're afraid to share.
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They're afraid, you know, it might or turmoil in their
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marriage or they might get in trouble by their husband.
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Sometimes it's because they don't even know something's
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going on until until all blows up, you know, like they find out
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about the infidelity or the gambling or whatever, like.
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And so I do think it is so hard to know fully what goes on in
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another person's marriage. And sometimes when divorce
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happens, we're not surprised and sometimes we're shocked.
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And I think what I have learned is that there are a lot of women
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who feel alone when they go through divorce.
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When I started sharing about my divorce, I had a lot of women
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reach out to me and say that they were going through one and
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didn't have a support system. They didn't have any resources.
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I also had some women that reached out that said they were
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in an abusive marriage, but they didn't know how to leave because
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they didn't have the resources. They were stay at home mom.
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They didn't have family or church that would support them.
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And so that is what made me realize that I needed to write a
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book about this. I needed to talk about this.
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It is not the easiest topic to share about in the Christian
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world, but I think especially being a Christian, being an on
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fire Christian from such a young age, I realized that I have
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always wanted to share the love of God with people.
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And this is a way that I'm doing it by letting them know like you
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are still loved and you can make it through this divorce.
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And here are some ways that you can make it here some
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encouragement. Here are some practical and
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wisdom pieces. And that's what keeps me going
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and sharing about my own journey.
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Yeah, definitely. I mean, God doesn't promote all
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the bad things that can happen to us, but he promises he'll use
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it. And you know, I mean, like I was
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telling you, I've walked through infertility, which is another
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thing that the big sea church, and I won't say individual
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churches, but this big sea church in general towards women
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don't. And even men, because there's
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stigma with men if they can't have kids, no matter what the
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reason is, but there's a stigma attached to it.
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So it's not something that's easy to walk through.
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And neither is divorce, mental health.
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There's so many different topics that are not seen as something
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that you can get through without quote UN quote, praying more,
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reading the Bible more, hiding it more like, you know, talking
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highly about your husband or your wife or whatever when he or
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she is doing all these things. It's the real authentic people
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that we are bringing ourselves in is when you start to really
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find that real and true community.
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And it helps you to be know that you are loved, you are that
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strong person and that no matter what, they'll be there for you.
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And it personally took me a long time to find that.
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Yeah, I. Didn't go to church for a couple
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of years after my divorce and I knew I still loved God and I
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felt the Holy Spirit in my life, but I needed to undo a lot of my
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old beliefs. Some of them, I think, were
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harmful, and some of them I just didn't know what to do with.
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And I have rebuilt my beliefs since then.
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And some of them were ideas and beliefs I've always had, and
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some of them are new ones. And I think that that is scary
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for some people. And it was scary for me.
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Yeah. There's this idea that if you
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question anything in your faith that it will all fall apart.
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And I, I talk to people and I think I share it like this in my
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book. But I, it was holding this ball
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of yarn and. And I was really scared to pull
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that string because I knew it would all fall apart.
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But eventually I felt like it was the only way for me to
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actually live was to pull that string.
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And in a way, it did all fall apart, right?
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But God is not afraid of that. God is above that and bigger
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than that. And I have found a more
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beautiful relationship with God in these last few years because
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it's more authentic. And also like you were saying, I
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have found a more authentic community of believers.
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And we go to church now that I just love going to.
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I love the people there and they really know how to walk with
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people that are going through hard things.
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And I find that that allows people to live more openly where
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they can at least share their stories because they know that
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they will be accepted and that they won't be turned away, that
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they will be loved as they go through these hard things.
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And then absolutely, deconstruction can lead to
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reconstruction. And that word, the
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deconstruction word can feel like the red letters, like not
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the red letters of the Bible, but like the red blinking
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letters of the scarlet letter, Like, no, they're going through
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deconstruction. They're going to walk away from
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their faith. And it's like, no, some do, but,
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but most people are just trying to figure out their own faith.
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They're trying to work out their faith with fear and trembling.
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They're just trying to discover who God is in their lives at
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this time and not the faith of our families or the faith of the
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people that have been surrounding us our whole lives.
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And I think it's so important that we do that.
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Yeah, because if it's somebody else's faith and it's not really
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ours anyways. And so when we make it our own
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faith, I think that we are able to love God in a more real, real
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way, and then we can also love others in a more real way.
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And the thing about getting older is that we realize more
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how messy life is. We all go through hard things.
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We know people going through hard things and that can create
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a much more authentic relationship with God because
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now we have gone through the fire and we realize that we can
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come out and still be here and be alive and be OK.
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Right, right. And I think for my, my personal
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walk going through like doing these interviews, I mean, I've
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done probably close to 400 interviews at this point.
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I have learned so much more about faith by hearing other
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people's stories. Because I have also found like
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when I first became Christian, and I don't know about you, but
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I became a Christian during the late 90s.
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So it was. It was the purity movement, and
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it was the. You know, all these conventions
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and the there was fire brimstone.
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Yeah, fire brimstone talk. Like all that stuff was going
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on. And that happens in every
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generation. But in the late 90s, I was like,
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you got to get saved or you're going to go to hell, which there
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is truth in that. But it's also just how you
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present it is really important. And I didn't know that at that
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time. And so going through and
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listening to everyone's story and also walking through my own
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junk, it's completely changed my view about things.
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Like, not my view about God because, you know, Jesus is the
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same yesterday, today and forever.
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But just knowing that I don't have to judge.
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It's not my job to judge. Yeah, you know, it's not my job
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to judge what people go through. It's just my job to be there and
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listen and share stories. Like that's my job.
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And it's been so freeing, like I don't have to judge anybody as
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much as I might try. Yeah, yeah.
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God, that's really beautiful. And I think it changes us when
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we hear other people's stories. It really does.
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So when you were walking through your divorce and everything
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afterwards, what Bible verse or verses were keeping you
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anchored? Yeah, I mentioned earlier about
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how I'm a very hopeful person. And so I love Bible verses that
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share that hope. And so one of the verses that I
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have clung to for a number of years is Isaiah 4319.
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And it says, see, I'm doing a new thing now.
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It springs up. Do you not perceive it?
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I am making a way in the wilderness and streams in the
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wasteland. And I just love that picture.
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I mean, I'm a writer, so I love metaphor.
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I love word pictures and this idea that things are dying, but
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God is doing something new and, and doing something that you
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can't even imagine because it's streams in a desert in a
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wasteland, like that's not something that is normal.
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And so I love that verse. And another verse that is
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similar is Ezekiel 37 where it talks about dry bones coming to
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life. And so those those those verses
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in the Bible that use metaphor to describe something that is
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dead coming to life gives me so much hope.
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And I really do believe I've experienced it in my own life as
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well. And I don't think when people
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are going through hard things that we should sugarcoat it.
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It is important to say like, this is hard and to grieve with
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those who grieve. And when I was in the midst of
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my divorce, it was harsh. Yeah.
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But clinging to hope that something new could spring forth
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was really important to me. That while I grieved, both were
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true at the same time. And now, 60 years later, I can
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say truly that new life has sprung.
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And so I am remarried. And we have little 2 year old
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together who was a surprise. But like she's brought so much
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joy in blending our families. Like blending families has been
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another thing that has sometimes been hard that our two year old
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is so full of life and she has really been a little glue to our
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blended family. And writing this book came out
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of going through something hard. And I am really thankful that we
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live in a world with a God who can do that for us, can bring
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dry bones to life. Amen.
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Absolutely. So why was it important that the
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book came out now? Yeah, so I have always
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considered myself a writer. I have been a writer since I was
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a young girl and I have wrote a lot of articles, but this is my
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first book that I have read. And as I was sharing some on
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social media about my divorce and with some friends in real
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life, I've realized how in the Christian world there are not
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enough books and resources about divorce.
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And I specifically feel called to talk to Christian women and
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Christian men I know have their own difficulty in going through
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divorce. But I realized my story is as a
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Christian woman and I really wanted to speak to Christian
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women. And the thing that is exciting
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is that I am starting to see this be talked about a little
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more. There are a couple of books that
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have come out recently by Christian publishers that are
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similar to this topic. And so I do think that we are in
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a time where Christians are ready to start having this
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conversation more and that makes me excited.
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For me personally, it felt important to share now because
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I'm close enough still to my divorce that I, I remember it
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all and it feels fresh and I remember the parts that were
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really hard and the parts that were really hurtful.
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But I'm far enough removed that I can talk about it from a place
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with some wisdom. And so that's what led me to
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write it now, realizing there was a need, seeing these people
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that I knew in real life and then online that that we're
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wanting this information. And then I think that we are are
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ready to have this conversation more than we used to be in the
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Christian world. And I feel really hopeful that
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my book will land in the hands of those who were where I was
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when I was going through mine, which was in a place where I
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didn't know if God was going to love me if I went through this.
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And I didn't know if my whole faith was going to fall apart.
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And I didn't know if I was going to find another community of
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people, let alone a Christian community of people.
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And I didn't know financially if I was gonna be able to make it.
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I was a homeschool mom of four. And they were, they were all
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young and I worked very part time.
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I got married at 20. I had never really, like, lived
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on my own and taking care of myself.
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There were things that I, I, you know, I bought a house on my own
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and I'd never owned a house by myself before.
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And things broke down. Yeah.
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And, and, and so there were a lot of things that felt really
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scary to me when I decided to go through my divorce, both
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spiritually and physically. And I know that there are women
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that are in that spot now that are either already going through
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it or thinking about going through it that need hope that
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they can make it through that need practical wisdom on what it
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can look like to move forward. You know, if they have kids,
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like what does it look like to to Co parent?
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And I wanted to discuss all those things in my book and it
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felt like now is definitely the time to talk about this because
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there are people going through it now and I want them to to
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feel that they can do this. Absolutely.
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And I think it's so encouraging. I'm sitting here looking at your
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book is divided up amongst 3 parts into 13 chapters and I'm
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looking at the titles Courageous Ending, Courageous Healing,
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Courageous Future and one of the chapters.
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I'm actually walking through this with my one of my best
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friends right now, or at least we've had conversations about it
27:46
because her husband passed away. It'll soon be several years ago
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and like dating world. Yes.
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Is so different, like I've, I've been with my husband since I was
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20. Yes.
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And I'm like, I mean, I joke around, but there's a huge truth
28:08
into it. I was like, if something ever
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happens to you, I don't think I'll get married again because I
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don't want to have to deal with all that now.
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Yes, it's. Crazy now.
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It is so different. Yeah.
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I think there was a lot to think through.
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First of all, you mentioned growing up in the purity
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movement. And so even to rethink what are
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my ethics around dating. And I had never necessarily
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formed my own. It was just like what my church
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and youth group had told me. And I think it really is a much
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bigger topic than that. And the world has shifted.
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And so some of dating again involved me really sitting with
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what I wanted my dating ethic to look like.
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And you know, it's obviously different because I also have
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children. Like what do I want dating to
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look like? Because I have children.
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And then dating apps and the way people date now is very
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different. And I did.
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I used dating apps. And there were parts of dating
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that were fun, that were truly fun.
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And then there were parts of dating which anybody will tell
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you that dates now, especially as an adult, that are very
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discouraging and frustrating. Yeah.
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In the end. The the.
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Fun story is that my husband now and I originally met at in
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college at the Christian college I went to like 20 years ago now
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and we were friends there. Not like close friends, but we
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were friends there. And then we both went on our own
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journeys of life. And you know, I, I got married,
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had four kids, he got married and had one kid.
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We had different types of jobs. I was going to do mission work.
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And then in 2020, we both went through divorces and we had some
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similar friends still. And because of that, sometimes
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started hanging out in same groups.
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And we really just saw each other as friends for a while,
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which allowed us to build a really beautiful relationship.
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And actually my kids knew him like just as a friend, which was
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really neat because then when we did actually start dating, which
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did involve some encouragement from our friends that were like,
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we see something and you guys, right.
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But when we did start dating, my kids were really receptive to
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it, which was neat because I, that was probably one of the
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most terrifying parts to me about dating is like introducing
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somebody to my kids and when would the time be right?
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And my oldest is like pretty strong willed.
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And so I was a little scared, like what she would think.
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US oldest children. I know, I know.
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And yeah, he is the only one that I ever introduced to the
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girls because I was pretty committed to making sure I was
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serious before I ever did. But they really liked him and
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that made it much easier. And I know that that isn't
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everybody's story. That can be a really challenging
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part of of dating with kids. And I think that people are so
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brave when they start dating again.
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Like, it's hard. It's already hard as an adult.
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And so there's a bravery in just choosing to do it as an adult
31:25
when you've been hurt, when you've been married before,
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you're aware of the reality of the world when you date, when
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you're older. That.
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In my teens. Right.
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But then, yeah, adding kids in, like there's just so much
31:38
bravery and I am really proud of people that choose to step into
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it because it's the right choice for them.
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Right. Absolutely.
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I mean, yeah, like I said, I met my husband when I was 20.
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Yeah. And that's around the last time
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I dated anybody. And the last person I dated
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before him, it was a terrible date.
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It was like one of the worst ones.
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And I was like, this is terrible.
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Like all he wants to talk about is skiing.
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This sucks. It's like, no.
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So like I said, that was 26 some years ago.
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And I said, I've walked this out with some of my friends and I
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can, I'm pretty good at picking up red flags on people.
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And I think that's so important for the person who's dating to
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is to have that community who can step outside and look in and
32:28
be like, I don't think they're noticing that this is a problem
32:33
or that this is not a problem or they're thinking too much about
32:36
their past relationships. And I think that that's just so
32:39
important to have people in your life that will call out, call
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you out and up and help that. I agree so much which is why I
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was really thankful for our friend group that encouraged us
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to see each other. I knew if they saw it and they
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liked him and were supportive of this, that it was worth pursuing
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because they, our community sees things that we can't see
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sometimes. Right.
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Exactly. So, Alicia, I have loved our
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conversation. And I really do think that this
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is going to help people, along with your book, to be able to
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step out and realize the things that are going on and also know
33:19
that they can do the hard thing and that the road sucks, but
33:25
they will be OK. And I think that's so
33:28
encouraging to people and the people who have walked through
33:31
it, you know, it's great to know that they're not alone.
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So where can people find you? Yeah.
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Yeah, I have a website, it is aliciaroth.com and then on
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Instagram I am Little Women Farmhouse because at one point I
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just had four daughters and so those are the best 2 places to
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find me. And then my book Courageous
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Divorce. It will be available anywhere
33:58
where you like to buy books. Awesome, you guys.
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It comes out if you're listening in real time, it comes out on
34:06
Tuesday. So there's still plenty of time
34:08
to pre-order. And if you are listening later
34:11
than it is out there and it is available.
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So go get yourself a copy, keep it on your bookshelf.
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Keep it for someone you never know who is going to need to
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hear this message. So, Alicia, thank you so much
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for joining me today and I will talk to you guys next episode.
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Thank you so much for joining me for this episode, the Anchor by
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the Sore podcast. I pray that the story that you
34:32
heard today will encourage your faith, challenge your faith, and
34:36
also help you as you walk in your daily life.
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