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Ryan Coogler's Black Panther Decision, The Viral YSL Gift Basket Debate & Tuskegee's Bonnet Gate · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: I think the bonnet conversation is much deeper than just
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  Speaker 1: saying you need to be presentable when you leave the house. Hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Personal. I'm Joy Taylor. Thanks so much for
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I've been on the road on the road today.
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  Speaker 2: I have been on the road.
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  Speaker 1: I am shooting a project which we will be announcing soon.
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  Speaker 1: And I was in six cities in eleven days, ten days.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 3: It was a crazy run.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy and I feel like I understand what musicians go through.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like people when they're touring now.
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  Speaker 1: And they like get up and they're like, what's going.
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  Speaker 2: On Cincinnati, and they're really in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: It's like different day, no day, different city, no idea
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  Speaker 1: what day it is. It's wild, very grateful, but mayn
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  Speaker 1: like I've never missed my bed so much. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm back temporarily, like it's so much more to do.
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  Speaker 1: But there's been a lot going on in the internets,
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  Speaker 1: in the world during that time.
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  Speaker 2: So, Hayley, what are we chatting about today?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I want to get into the black panther casting.
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  Speaker 3: We love to talk about a casting on too personal.
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  Speaker 3: So they have casted who will be the son? Right,
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  Speaker 3: so obviously we know son of Ta. Everyone is very
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  Speaker 3: they have opinions, as they always do. What really stood
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  Speaker 3: out to me is that Ryan Kougler had a secret
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  Speaker 3: meeting with who was playing the David Johnson, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: David Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: David Johnson, who was playing the son, And he was like,
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  Speaker 3: he just knew. And I think you have to remember
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  Speaker 3: that he had worked with the cast for years. He
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  Speaker 3: was he worked with the original Black Panther four years.
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  Speaker 3: So for him to be like, this is the perfect choice,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it should be questioned a I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we should care this much. Why do we care
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  Speaker 3: this much? And this continues to be a pattern with
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  Speaker 3: these castings. It's like, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Our job, it's not our job.
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  Speaker 1: And look, Chadwick Boseman was a beloved actor. He did
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic job with Black Panther, which was a revolutionary
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  Speaker 1: film and wildly popular. Obviously, but Ryan Coogler is the
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  Speaker 1: best in the world. Like he's he's brilliant, he knows
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  Speaker 1: what he's doing. This is his film. Like relax. The
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  Speaker 1: casting outrage has has really gone off. The rails like
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  Speaker 1: from people being wildly racist to being angry about places
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  Speaker 1: that are not real places fantasy castings, like I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that Ryan Kugler considered Damson for this.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't going to get this role. He's just played
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  Speaker 2: a role in Children.
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  Speaker 1: Of Blood and Bone, which is a fantasy series. It's
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  Speaker 1: really gotten crazy. I understand everyone has an opinion about something,
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  Speaker 1: and everyone is entitled to their opinion. That doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that your opinion is right, and it doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: your opinion is valuable. And I'm sorry, but I value
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Kugler's opinion more than yours when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the casting of the New Black Panther, And my opinion
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  Speaker 1: is it's better to pass up to cast someone who
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  Speaker 1: has experience obviously, which David Johnson does, but also is
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  Speaker 1: still a relatively unknown when you're talking about the entire
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  Speaker 1: scope of the entertainment business, like he's not a household name,
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  Speaker 1: you don't he doesn't come in with expectations. He's not
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  Speaker 1: going to they're not gonna have to worry about building
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  Speaker 1: this into his rlready packed roster of projects, like it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a really good casting.
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  Speaker 2: He looks like him and and they.
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  Speaker 1: He also needs to be a young person, Like, it
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  Speaker 1: can't just be anybody. There's there's a timeline time jump
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  Speaker 1: here that's already gonna be dramatic when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: So just like, let Ryan Kugler do his job. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you're great at your job.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Kugler is a Academy Award winning director.
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  Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing. Place like the.
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  Speaker 1: Constant outrage about everything is exhausting.
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  Speaker 2: How are y'all not tired? I'm so tired.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so tired that I even when I can't sleep,
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  Speaker 1: I just sit around in silence, like trying to heal
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  Speaker 1: my overstimulation.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's not that it's not that serious.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that this movie means a lots of people,
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  Speaker 1: but like, you don't know more than Ryan Kugler. No,
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  Speaker 1: and you're still gonna go see this movie.
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  Speaker 3: And he's a great filmmaker, great like award winning, one
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  Speaker 3: of the best that we've ever had.
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  Speaker 1: And he sells tickets. People are gonna go see this
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  Speaker 1: movie regardless of what you think.
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  Speaker 2: About this casting. Absolutely, oh it's exhausting.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, this story is actually hilarious to me. Have you
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  Speaker 3: heard about the husband, the coworker and the YL gift basket.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, if you are not chronically online, you may not
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  Speaker 1: have heard the story, So break the story down.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So a woman named Helena went viral. She said her
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  Speaker 3: after posting that her husband won a premium ysl and good,
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  Speaker 3: I have a gift basket at his company's Fourth of
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  Speaker 3: July lunch. Okay, so instead of bringing it home, he
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  Speaker 3: handed it straight to a female co worker. The company
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  Speaker 3: then posted a photo of them together, which the wife saw,
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  Speaker 3: celebrating his generosity. She said, the hurt wasn't about the makeup.
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  Speaker 3: It was feeling unseen. And so he gets home and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, what's the problem, Like you're acting crazy like
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  Speaker 3: she wanted it. I don't wear makeup. I'm a guy,
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't what am I gonna look like taking
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  Speaker 3: this basket? And she's like, well, you didn't think of
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  Speaker 3: me at all. So here's my thing. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: it's so much deeper than the basket. They clearly have
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  Speaker 3: some underlying turmoil, and I think this was the cherry's
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  Speaker 3: that been you, and that was your husband given the
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  Speaker 3: gift basket that he went to a coworker it's not
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  Speaker 3: like this is some secret affair. How would you feel
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  Speaker 3: the picture?
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  Speaker 1: So I agree with you. They have some other issues
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  Speaker 1: as well, and this this was probably the cherry or
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  Speaker 1: the straw. But I when I saw this story, I
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  Speaker 1: was immediately brought back to the trauma of dreamers and
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  Speaker 1: uh like the way that they performance art for other
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  Speaker 1: people rather than pouring into the people that support them.
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  Speaker 1: Because her whole like thread about this really talks about
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  Speaker 1: like how much work she does at home and how
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  Speaker 1: like she supports him, and you know she just like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously your default should be bring this home to your wife, right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you have a wife. It's not like this is his
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  Speaker 1: sister or his mom that's mad about this. You have
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  Speaker 1: an actual wife at home. Bring the gift basket home
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  Speaker 1: to your wife. If he was single, yeah, give it
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  Speaker 1: to your coworker. You don't use makeup. But you have
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  Speaker 1: a wife who, even if she didn't use makeup.
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  Speaker 2: Would like a gift basket. That's your wife.
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  Speaker 1: And if she was like, oh, let's give it to
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  Speaker 1: your neighbor or whatever, that's her decision. It's the overlooking
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  Speaker 1: of your partner and then the performance art of taking
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  Speaker 1: the praise of being so generous and being so you know,
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  Speaker 1: thoughtful for other people by giving the bad get to
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  Speaker 1: the coworker.
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  Speaker 2: That would piss me off in times.
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  Speaker 1: When I've been with dreamers, And what I mean by
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  Speaker 1: dreamers is somebody who's like, and I don't know what.
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  Speaker 2: This man does.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he's extremely successful, who knows, But this was what
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  Speaker 1: I took out of it, out of my personal experiences
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  Speaker 1: is that these type of people, they are totally cool
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  Speaker 1: with people supporting them and pouring into them, but when
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  Speaker 1: it comes time to pour back into their person. They're
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  Speaker 1: not evil, they're not toxic, they're not abusive, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like this thing they do where they're so willing to
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  Speaker 1: take credit for being a good guy, but they never
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  Speaker 1: step up and make sacrifices themselves. And I'm seeing this
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  Speaker 1: pattern a lot like even in my personal life now
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  Speaker 1: with people around me.
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  Speaker 2: Where this type of this type of particular.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll just speak to men because I don't nate women,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know what women dreamers are, but male dreamers.
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  Speaker 2: Are are these men who like always have.
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  Speaker 1: This new, amazing idea about how they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: successful and this empire that they're going to build and
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  Speaker 1: this new company that they're going to start and this
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  Speaker 1: new venture that they have, and it's never about the
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  Speaker 1: thing that they need to pour into, like they have
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  Speaker 1: a good job or they have something already that they
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  Speaker 1: could build on, but it's just like not big enough
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  Speaker 1: for their ego.
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  Speaker 2: So they're always asking their partner to take sacrifices.
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  Speaker 1: They're always asking their partner to make sure that the
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  Speaker 1: bills are paid while they chase this dream. They're always
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  Speaker 1: putting everything on the people around them rather than just
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  Speaker 1: being a hard worker. And in their mind they're hard
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  Speaker 1: workers because they're always doing something, but it's really just activity.
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  Speaker 1: It's not achievement. Now, I don't know what this man is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about these people's lives.
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  Speaker 2: But that was like my.
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  Speaker 1: Own personal trigger because I've been with people like that
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  Speaker 1: who will just so happily step up and take the
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  Speaker 1: good guy badge rather than pouring back into the person
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  Speaker 1: that is whole them up. And yeah, it will make
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  Speaker 1: you snap, and people will not understand it because they
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  Speaker 1: just see like the good guy. They don't see all
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  Speaker 1: the things that you're sacrificing for them. And then when
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  Speaker 1: it comes time to be like, let me take this
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  Speaker 1: off you, I'm gonna make a sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: They never do well.
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  Speaker 3: I think it kind of goes back to what we
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  Speaker 3: were saying the other week, where you got to communicate
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  Speaker 3: within your relationship. You cannot expect your partner to be
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  Speaker 3: a mind reader, although we love to do that, because
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  Speaker 3: he might just be living in bliss to an extent.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's a grown adult.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he.
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  Speaker 1: I mean not bringing it home to your wife is
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  Speaker 1: inexcusable in any way, in any way, shape or form,
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  Speaker 1: Like there's she's absolutely right to be mad about that.
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  Speaker 1: The other stuff with their relationship is something else. But
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  Speaker 1: there's no excuse for you not to bring that home
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  Speaker 1: to your wife, Like, there's just not there's not.
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  Speaker 3: And I know seeing that picture, I would have been.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, And I don't even think it was malicious,
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  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't sound like it was like an affair
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  Speaker 1: or anything.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just like the complete lack of consideration
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  Speaker 1: for the fact that you have a wife at home
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  Speaker 1: who would probably like a YSL gift basket.
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  Speaker 3: Who wouldn't want a y SEL gift basket.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you don't wear makeup, like it's it's the
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  Speaker 1: principle of it. It's it's crazy, like there's it's inexcusable
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  Speaker 1: even a healthy relationship. And and I am not like
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  Speaker 1: a jealous or demanding person in relationships. I would be like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you just didn't think okay, yeah, but like I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'm I'm considering you too much obvious, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: if this was your default decision in that moment.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I cannot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean listen, I was immediately triggered, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: that's just what I took out of it, Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know if that's their situation, but it's the
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  Speaker 1: it's the taking of the picture and being praised as
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  Speaker 1: a generous man that I.
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  Speaker 3: Was like, uh well, even his supposed excuse, where why
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  Speaker 3: couldn't just look like a guy taking it with in
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  Speaker 3: front of my coworkers taking this basket. It's not for me.
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  Speaker 2: You have a wife.
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  Speaker 3: Praise your wife proudly.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: My wife's gonna love this, and everyone will be like yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: and then you sit your ass down and they go
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  Speaker 1: to the next raffle item like.
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  Speaker 3: And nobody cares that much about you and who you.
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  Speaker 1: Have at home, and no one cares. Nobody cares about you.
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  Speaker 1: I say this almost every day now. No one cares.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone is concerned with their own shit. No one is
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  Speaker 1: thinking about anyone else. They are not sitting around thinking
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  Speaker 1: about your ys. I'll give basket. They probably weren't even listening.
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  Speaker 1: They were just counting the seconds until this annoying work
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  Speaker 1: lunch was over.
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  Speaker 3: Ugh, I cannot what would you do?
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  Speaker 2: I'd be passed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't do we know if the photo was
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  Speaker 3: posted in real time, like at the event, or was
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  Speaker 3: it after I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Sure where Probably if she saw I mean, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was just like on their their work Facebook page
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  Speaker 2: or something. You know they post those things.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm screenshot and like, where's my basket?
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  Speaker 2: What where? I mean? Not at my back? Because you
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  Speaker 2: got to go back and go buy all the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that was in the basket.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you better say stop at them all.
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  Speaker 2: That was an expensive choice.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be pissed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be pissed.
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  Speaker 3: Let me just s a if my man ever gets
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  Speaker 3: a y L gift basket, bring that ship home.
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  Speaker 2: Do the right thing, the only thing there is to do.
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  Speaker 1: I love seeing the trends of girls asking their their
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  Speaker 1: man what they would do, and their men are so confused.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, I would bring it to you, Like, what
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  Speaker 1: is there another part of the story I'm missing here?
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  Speaker 3: There's no other option.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other options.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous. Okay, before we do this one, let me make
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  Speaker 3: sure I'm saying this right. Tuskegee. Yes, Okay, I's gonna
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  Speaker 3: say Tuskegee. Okay, Alabama's HBCU Tuskegee University, Skeigee. I said
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  Speaker 3: it wrong again.
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  Speaker 2: You said it right the first time.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on.
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  Speaker 3: HBCU to ski E to Skeigee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, we call it the college, Okay, because we.
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  Speaker 3: The university's present, doctor Mark A. Brown, announced a strict
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  Speaker 3: professional dress code for the academic school year coming up.
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  Speaker 3: He's banning all casual items like bonnets, do rags, mandate's
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  Speaker 3: business attire for formal events, and empowers faculty to enforce
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  Speaker 3: the rules. So no bonnets, no do rags, no bedroom
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  Speaker 3: slippers and house shoes. This is verbatim, no revealing outfits.
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  Speaker 3: Locations are in classrooms, dining halls, and official university spaces.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's pissed. My question is I feel like there might
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  Speaker 3: be a bigger issue than just a new mandate, because
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  Speaker 3: what were people coming to school dressed in that you
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  Speaker 3: felt you had to enforce this new policy. Was everyone
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  Speaker 3: just rolling out of bed in their bonnet and their
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  Speaker 3: slippers and their pajamas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really about the bonnet than anything else,
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  Speaker 1: because their former policy also listed do rags and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that much different than their new policy, but they
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  Speaker 1: did specifically outline bonnets, and so I think this is
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  Speaker 1: more about bonnet gait than anything else. But this has
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  Speaker 1: been a recurring conversation, like one of somebody, one of
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  Speaker 1: those buffoons that President Dumpy but appointed, like put out
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  Speaker 1: a statement I forget who it was, but basically saying like,
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  Speaker 1: stop wearing pajamas to the airport, like or suck my dick. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll wear whatever the fuck I want to the airport.
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  Speaker 1: I'm paying thousands of dollars for this flight. If I
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  Speaker 1: want to show up in a fucking banana suit, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do.
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  Speaker 3: I do like a good airport fit, though.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to be comfortable on an airplane, like
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm not going to look crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Because you never know who you'll meet in an airport.
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  Speaker 1: But I am certainly not wearing anything uncomfortable, like at all.
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  Speaker 1: I'll change when I get there, but I'm not sitting
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  Speaker 1: on a plane uncomfortable. Also, you have no idea how
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  Speaker 1: long you're going to be on these planes. Anyway, that's
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  Speaker 1: the sets what we're talking about. We're talking about bone is.
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  Speaker 1: I think the bonnet conversation is much deeper than just
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  Speaker 1: saying you need to be presentable when you leave the house.
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  Speaker 2: There is this underlying constant.
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  Speaker 1: Conversation about black women's hair and this respectability politics show,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, showing up the right way, looking professional.
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  Speaker 1: And I push back on it because particularly for college students,
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  Speaker 1: when we're talking about adults and what you look like
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  Speaker 1: in certain places, like I really don't care if your
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  Speaker 1: whole vagina isn't out, if I'm not seeing your reproductive parts,
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  Speaker 1: I really do not care.
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  Speaker 2: I'm busy, and it is what it is like. People
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  Speaker 2: are just out here trying to survive. But when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to particularly college students, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is the basis of this conversation, because it's at t
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  Speaker 1: SKIEE when I was in college and Hayley, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what you did in college, but when I was
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  Speaker 1: in college, I was a fucking hot mess. I was hungover,
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  Speaker 1: I was tired as fuck. I was chugging red bulls.
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  Speaker 1: I was working four jobs, doing an internship in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: going to classes, driving all around the city. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember ever getting ready for class. Maybe I did.
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  Speaker 1: I have no memory of it. I know I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: looking put together in class unless I happened to be
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  Speaker 1: coming from something where I was already put together. Getting
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  Speaker 1: to class and doing the work was the only priority
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  Speaker 1: that I had.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, did I ever wear a bonnet to glass?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: But does that mean my hair was done?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: Who gives a fuck. I was there to get an education.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wrote to a private college, a private university.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And before I was at that private Catholic university, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: was I was assuredly.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I was an athlete.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So I was definitely in sweats and slides every day,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: sweatpants slides. In high school, I wanted to sleep so much.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I would sleep in my sweatpants, and I was wearing
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to school because I was going to practice after that, Like,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I did not get ready for school in high school.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Like maybe once a month, I would be like, I'm
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: gonna look cute today.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, I was infamous for some hoop shorts, some sahi socks,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: some slides. I mean I was played a bunch of sports,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: but still I did like I was so tomboy.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I am telling you like we were in do rags, bonnets, uh, bandana,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Well we didn't really wear bonnets, bandanas, head wraps. Like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: what this whole obsession with presenting yourself a certain way
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: when you're in public. Guys like they're they're students, they're
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: they're just trying to get an education, they're they're partying,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: they're learning how to be adults. We don't need to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: hold them to this insane standard. We have no idea
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: what their financial background is. Talking about you need to
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: wear professional business? Are you handing out professional business attire
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to these students?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Right? Does that costs?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I mean I get it if there's like it's presentation
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: day in a course or you're going to an internship,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: but like sure, when we're learning something and we're studying,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like just just make sure they're there.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Just make sure they're there.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: And it's like there are bigger fish to fry if
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: we and I got into this conversation on threads and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I was taking and some educators were weighing in about it,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, Like, we get into these
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: very passionate conversations about bonnets, but we don't have the
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: passion Like while we're spending time and energy on that,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it's not one or the other. But I would just
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: rather spend that time and energy focusing on the.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Institutional problems that we have.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Hayley, you and I have talked about how people can't
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: fucking read, and that's what some of the teachers were saying.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They're like, they show up looking crazy, they can't read,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they can't write.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Who cares.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: If you are a genius, you can show up in sweatpants. Okay,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I promise you. These white boys in these in these
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to say boardrooms, in their houses
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: on zoom are in sweatpants.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Now they're white boys, so they can get away with that.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I understand that more than most.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, but give me a break.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Explain to students that when you go out into the workforce,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you're not goinging able to dress like this. If they
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. Like,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that's that's common sense. But when you're talking about a classroom, like,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: just give me a break. I find I find this
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to be a real waste of energy. I find find
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it to mostly be an attack on black women and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: black women's hair, which is the deeper part of the conversation.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It's about like being presentable in white spaces, and I just.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't, I really don't like it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Like, there's so many different angles to this, and I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: do get that you are raising young people to be,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you know, to go out into the workforce, but like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: just make it a class. I liked this guy's doctor
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: B F. Palmer on threads. He's I screenshot it because
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I wanted to read it. He's college students are adults.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: College are communities of adult scholars paying for access to
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: professional scholars. College administrators are organizational leaders, but generally too
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: disconnected to be community leaders. College students should feel comfortable
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and safe within their community. The goal of a good
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: college is intellectual growth and freedom, not social control. Do
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: rags and bonnets do not impede learning. Respectability equals professionalism
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: equals white supremacy.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I think he said it absolutely perfectly. That is the.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Condensed version of how I feel about all this. And
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: keep in mind I am on the board of trustees
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of a private university that is majority whoop, that is
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: majority my students and the majority women's students. So I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: don't care if you are a student and you show
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: up in a bonnet.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: To class, get to class, get to class.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And when you graduate, you're not going to be able
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to wear your bonnet in your workplace.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: The ends like the ends.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's common sense. It should there should be
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: no confusion about that. And my priority is doing the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: hard part, which is getting people to get an education,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: because in a time like this, where people don't read,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: where people think that education is a waste of time
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and money, when people celebrate stupidity and ignorance rather than
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: intellectualism and learning, the bonnet is not my concern and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I and I speak from a place of someone who
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: looked like shit in class, went to class, graduated with honors,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: has poured into academia both physically, personally, emotionally, and with
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: my my time and energy. This is just not a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: converse that I think is helpful. And again I think
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it's mostly a directed attack on black women's hair.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what did you wear to class?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Probably some swebpants, legans, hoop shorts. My hair was infamous
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: bun on the top of my head always were not
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: laid like little frizzy edges.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: No makeup, no makeup, probably no moisturizer because we didn't
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: believe in that back then.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I didn't stink.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, clean, clean, showered, you know. But yeah, I mean
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: just get to class. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like it. I don't think it is a helpful progressive conversation.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And people spend a lot of time and energy going
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: back and forth on this and not about the roots
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of the problems that are really affecting young people. Noise
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in this country. It's too much noise. Okay, now that
• 24:00
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• 24:08
  Speaker 1: have any fond memories of your time in radio? I
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: love this question because I love radio and I loved
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: my time in radio, and I'm still on radio Urban
• 24:19
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• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But I love radio. I started in radio when I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was in college at Barry University. I find it to
• 24:33
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• 24:38
  Speaker 1: traditional audio podcasts are, but just with a live format.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: It's just like, to me, podcasts are just the evolution
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of radio. But I always loved radio growing up because
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it was a theater of the mind. Like a really
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: good radio show brought you into the room with them
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and made you kind of feel part of their hang.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And it's what made me wanted to be a personality
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: over a reporter or a traditional host. Just to have
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a little keikey in a chit chat is one of
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: my favorite things to do, and a great show made
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you feel like you were doing that with your friends.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And my favorite time in radio was with Zaslow with
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Zaslow in Miami at the Ticket And to this day,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I still have people all over the world stop me
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and talk to.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Me about my time in Miami radio with Aslow.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It was a great show. It was the show that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: launched my career, that refined me as a personality, that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: gave me the confidence to be a personality, to speak
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: my mind, to make mistakes, to say things that I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you know, didn't stand on a month later, which is
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the process of you know, being a pundit and doing
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: research and being funny and being vulnerable. And we did
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: an amazing show. It was such a fun time. It
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was such a family and it like that was over
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: ten years yeah, over ten years ago, and people still
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: stop me and talk to me about that show, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it's always really special because it was It was really
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: really a special show like it shaped my career and
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: also obviously my time with Colin.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Colin.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Obviously we did a television show, but it's a simulcast
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: radio show, and a lot of people listen to us
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: on radio in those three years were crazy, fun, scary.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: It was during part of it was during COVID, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: we just we really developed as a show and as personalities,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed it. So radio is something that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: gave me a career and I'm really grateful for it,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and I have a lot, a lot of fun memories
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: from it, fond memories from it.
• 26:56
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