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The SMNTY x Truth Hounds Crossover Event · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I Heart Radio, and
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Speaker 1: today we're very excited to be joined by the host
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Speaker 1: of the podcast Truth Hounds, Anna and Kyle. Hi, Anna
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Speaker 1: and Kyle, thanks so much for being here. Hi guys,
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Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Hi, thank you. We've already been
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Speaker 1: on a bit of an adventure in this virtual podcast space.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say, I know, I feel like we
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Speaker 1: recorded another whole episode right before this episode really did. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we were stuck in some stairs. Yeah, I have a
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Speaker 1: bad habit of starting a juncle. I'm like so excited
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Speaker 1: and old people's and then you guys are so fun
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Speaker 1: and yes, put us on some like stone stairs. Only
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Speaker 1: ahead appeared. It was some kind of together MO would
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Speaker 1: miss misshap malfunction, I don't know, but we were like
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Speaker 1: ghostly figures in some stairs for several minutes. We took
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Speaker 1: you outside and I had a little conversation, you know,
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Speaker 1: so you did, which we appreciate because we were discussing
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Speaker 1: how we're jealous that the two of you get to
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Speaker 1: record at a beach and apparently not just as a
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Speaker 1: one time thing, but a multiple time thing. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: was saying before that we were we were told by
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Speaker 1: our producers that we didn't have to go to the
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Speaker 1: beach and that there was a simple way to recreate that,
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Speaker 1: but we refused and said we actually would like to
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Speaker 1: go to the beach. Yeah, we were every time. We
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Speaker 1: were kind of very polite and we were totally understanding
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Speaker 1: of where they're coming from. And then we said, and
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your perspective, and then we
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Speaker 1: would really rather not. I feel like the beach is
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Speaker 1: a necessity to the chemistry. Again, I'm really jealous of that. Well,
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Speaker 1: we're on the beach and we go, oh, it's so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: We just wanted to make sure that that was coming
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Speaker 1: from a genuine place, and we were actually looking out
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Speaker 1: at the beach when we were saying, yeah, I feel
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Speaker 1: like we are great actors and yet um, some of
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Speaker 1: the best acting just comes from, you know, truthful. So
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Speaker 1: that's took it acting. Yeah, it's very wise. And here
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Speaker 1: you're taking notes at so just go to the beach
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Speaker 1: and then you talk about the beach and then you
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Speaker 1: know Oscar, so oh yeah, find your truth complicated. My
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Speaker 1: whole history is going to be written based on this advice.
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Speaker 1: I'm very very happy, uh that it's kind of my
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Speaker 1: way this award. So we really let's let's introduce the
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Speaker 1: two of you to your audience, if you don't mind
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Speaker 1: telling us a little bit about yourselves. I'm Kyle and
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Speaker 1: this say Anna perfect again. I don't know, I feel
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Speaker 1: like I want to do it together. We are doing
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Speaker 1: it together. So we have a podcast called The Truth Hounds,
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Speaker 1: which is available right now, our first season, and we
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Speaker 1: are we are what do you call it when you're
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Speaker 1: sort of not professional? What's the opposite work? Think amateur amateur.
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Speaker 1: So we're amateur investigator with a lot of hearts. So
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Speaker 1: don't get a lot of how much heart in a
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Speaker 1: sense of humor, which is always important, which is I
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Speaker 1: mean not even objective, it's just there. So that's factual,
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Speaker 1: So leave that alone. And our podcast is just basically
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Speaker 1: about investigating. Actually, we used to say they were some
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Speaker 1: of the smallest mysteries, but they're actually huge mysteries. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're really key. Did We don't want to shoot ourselves
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Speaker 1: in the foot there. It's not that they're insignificant mysteries
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Speaker 1: that they're they're they're actually so significant that you take
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Speaker 1: them for granted. I think, Yeah, they're kind of just
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Speaker 1: like universal things that you might think about but and
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Speaker 1: think about. Huh, I wonder why that is, but you
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Speaker 1: probably won't do anything about that. So we actually found
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Speaker 1: ourselves a lot of time on our hands and we decided, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I think we can do this and
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Speaker 1: we're going to investigate these things. Yeah. For example, like
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Speaker 1: you go, well, I know, gravity just works, end of story,
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Speaker 1: you know, but we go, but we go but why
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Speaker 1: you know, so why is that? Why is that? And again,
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Speaker 1: to just really highlight, we have a lot of time
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Speaker 1: on our hands, so we're sitting around luxuriating and time
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Speaker 1: going do you know, let's look into that. So that
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Speaker 1: sounds like the three am question with your friends where
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Speaker 1: you're like, right, but why is pizza so good? Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: when you're into the edible and everything comes to a lot,
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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, but what we've had those moments. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I you know, as I was listening to your podcasts,
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Speaker 1: your some of your episodes y'all are really fun because
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Speaker 1: one of the big things that you do talk about
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Speaker 1: is that you've already had this friendship and can kind
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Speaker 1: of read uh with each other, like what's going on?
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Speaker 1: How things are going and and kind of being able
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Speaker 1: to plot together even though you may not have talked
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Speaker 1: about it. The next steps and you're in sync. Can
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Speaker 1: you kind of talk about how you guys met and
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Speaker 1: how you became such a great friends. We're both from comedy,
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Speaker 1: and so we met through comedy. So we both came
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Speaker 1: from uh, stand up backgrounds, and so we actually probably
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Speaker 1: the way that that I feel like stand up is
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Speaker 1: is like you just crossed paths with people over many,
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Speaker 1: many years. So we probably have known each other for
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Speaker 1: like I want to say, almost a decade or something
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Speaker 1: crazy like that, and yeah, we would just I think
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Speaker 1: even before Anna lived in Los Angeles shoes in San
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Speaker 1: Francisco doing stand up, and I would just see her
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Speaker 1: on shows and so like over time, you just sort
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Speaker 1: of like I think, like you just know someone for
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Speaker 1: so long and maybe you're just kind of acquaintances, but
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Speaker 1: then like you know, you become friends and kind of
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Speaker 1: I think, I hope it's not too much to share here,
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Speaker 1: because from San Francisco start to give it away, like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we don't come to San Francisco look for me, I
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Speaker 1: won't be there and honestly leave her alone. But honestly,
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Speaker 1: leave her alone. She's tired. But so we She lived
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Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles doing comedy. I lived in San
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Speaker 1: Francisco doing comedy, and we actually both ran concurrently, like
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Speaker 1: two very complementary shows in in our respective cities. So
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Speaker 1: it was very funny. I think the first time proper
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Speaker 1: that we met was like our two shows had a
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Speaker 1: crossover event, a kind of ultimate collab, and we were
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Speaker 1: both like, we both do um and this is I'm
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Speaker 1: rolling my own eyes as I say this, but we
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Speaker 1: both do like not super traditional comedy, I think it's
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Speaker 1: safe to say. And so our shows were both like
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Speaker 1: really the point of them was to get away from
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Speaker 1: doing traditional stand up, so the prompts of that, both
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Speaker 1: the shows were like anything but stand up. And so
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Speaker 1: we had a kind of crossover event of the two shows.
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Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, we met during that, and then
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Speaker 1: we were often performing on the same shows or like
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Speaker 1: I had like complimentary I think things we were doing
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Speaker 1: on stage, and then we started performing together. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess that was much later, but we started performing together.
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Speaker 1: And I'll just I'll just go ahead and speak from me, Okay,
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Speaker 1: me Anna, why I've never this is me Anna Okay, here,
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Speaker 1: I've never really been able to collaborate with another person
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Speaker 1: because it feels, I don't know, there's just such a
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Speaker 1: specific thing. I've definitely done things with other people, but
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Speaker 1: it's never been like it's just always been very laborious,
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Speaker 1: and this has felt the most like natural or very Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm really using the word complementary probably ten times here,
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Speaker 1: so I'll just go ahead and make it eleven very
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Speaker 1: complimentary styles of comedy. And so it was like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, very it felt very rare the end. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're trying to see if Kyle's can come in and
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Speaker 1: say she was also very felt like it was complimentary.
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Speaker 1: Don't don't find me no, I honestly, sometimes with these
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Speaker 1: kinds of questions it's better for Anna just to take
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Speaker 1: the floor because I don't I sometimes I hear I
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Speaker 1: think it's part of I have like a bit of
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Speaker 1: a learning disability to somethings. I'll hear a question and
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Speaker 1: then I'll just take it into a totally different direction,
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Speaker 1: and then when I'm at the end of it, I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: that was not the question. I don't know even where
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Speaker 1: I am now, So better for Anna to do that
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Speaker 1: because she'll say it succinctly. Know, but Kyle dares to dream.
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Speaker 1: So we usually will break down questions, but she dares
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Speaker 1: to dream, and then I go, you know, and then
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Speaker 1: the method or whatever. And so that's why, that's why
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Speaker 1: it's the sign of a great Yeah, collaboration and partnership.
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Speaker 1: And both of you have been, as you said, in
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Speaker 1: comedy and then some acting and now podcasting. How has
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Speaker 1: this podcasting world been for you and how has that
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Speaker 1: like collaboration translated into this format? Really? Okay, I'll take
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Speaker 1: a stab at answering a question on my own and
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Speaker 1: I'll just be right here. Yeah, hold my hand. We
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Speaker 1: needed together mode for this, Yeah, we needed together mode
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Speaker 1: at right now. I would say it's been pretty seamless
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Speaker 1: because we've worked together on creating like shows, like live shows,
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Speaker 1: So in a way it's like we kind of had
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Speaker 1: all already had all this practice. And I think mainly
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Speaker 1: for The Truth Towns, it was just about like figuring
9:58
Speaker 1: we had an idea of what we wanted it to
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Speaker 1: v but it was about figuring out how to actually
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Speaker 1: like make a show of it. We were so lucky
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Speaker 1: that these producers were just like believed in us and
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Speaker 1: we're like, we like what you're trying to do. But
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Speaker 1: we really had no idea. There wasn't we I don't
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Speaker 1: think there's anything that exists that's exactly like this. We
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Speaker 1: definitely have our influences, but like we just sort of
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Speaker 1: were like, this is our idea. So again, I'm probably
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Speaker 1: nowhere near the Kyle Beautiful guys for being so supportive.
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Speaker 1: Hold you up, build you up. Earlier, I was talking
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Speaker 1: about the fact that we had these giant team meetings
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Speaker 1: in which I've probably proofed up a couple of times.
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Speaker 1: But your producers Annajsnie and Miles Greg came on and
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Speaker 1: talked about your show, oh and about how excited they were,
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Speaker 1: and for them to brag about how good your comedy
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Speaker 1: is and your timing is huge because they are hilarious
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Speaker 1: people that intimidate the hell out of me. So every
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Speaker 1: time I talked to them, I pretend like I don't
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Speaker 1: know what's happening and just walk away because right like
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Speaker 1: just trying to hide away from them. Sorry, guys, just
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Speaker 1: uh yeah, they had set you up and talking about
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Speaker 1: how genuinely funny you are in just real life and honestly,
11:25
Speaker 1: our twin minutes set up conversation because three days you
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Speaker 1: alwa set up for twenty minutes here because it was
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Speaker 1: such a fun conversation, and you too do compliment each
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Speaker 1: other so well and in such a beautiful way. It's
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Speaker 1: that I haven't heard anything discouraging. You all are so
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Speaker 1: cute and I love lifting each other. It's freaky. I'm
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Speaker 1: just kidding. I love it. But I love that. And
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Speaker 1: it also translates onto your podcast because not only are
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Speaker 1: you asking these really significant but like seemingly daily common
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Speaker 1: things like about being late, which, by the way, I
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Speaker 1: felt called out and it was rude and I didn't
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Speaker 1: like it. If what if you were called in? That's
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Speaker 1: the nicer version, right, called it? This is what the
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Speaker 1: kids say, right. Called in is that the kids are
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Speaker 1: nicely told get your life together. Called out is like
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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? Go away? Right? We want
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Speaker 1: to just check out what you're doing and see why
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Speaker 1: you're doing it. And then we go all right, that's
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Speaker 1: what she's doing, you know. I mean that's and don't
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Speaker 1: go away, don't you know? Actually, because I do want
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Speaker 1: to ask about this episode, did you actually go stock
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Speaker 1: this person? Yes? Yes, I think that's what jump in?
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Speaker 1: Can you'll explain this episode because I'm obviously going to
12:39
Speaker 1: confuse everyone with that question if you haven't heard, it's
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Speaker 1: our first episode, and we wanted to sort of introduce
12:46
Speaker 1: what this show is going to be. So we tried
12:48
Speaker 1: to take a topic or a question that we felt
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Speaker 1: was like the most most sincd maybe like the most
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Speaker 1: like official, like could be science if you're not paying attention,
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Speaker 1: you know, which is kind of what happened. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people wrote in and they were like,
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Speaker 1: I listened to this show because I wanted to get
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Speaker 1: like a scientific the reason of why this is. And
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Speaker 1: we're like, we're actually not someone then, and they were like,
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Speaker 1: I thought that they would touch on the phenomenon of
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Speaker 1: the of the person who I mean, I'm sorry that
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a voice, but I thought there was a
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Speaker 1: phenomenon of the whatever that has a name, Like I
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Speaker 1: was looking for answers, and it seemed like they already
13:29
Speaker 1: knew the answer, and so they could just definitely go
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Speaker 1: start their own podcast. Some people that will go onto
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Speaker 1: a review and be like, actually, yeah, actually they knew
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Speaker 1: in some ways different ways more than us, so more
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Speaker 1: than us. Well, So basically we decided to investigate why
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Speaker 1: there are some people who are always late, because I
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Speaker 1: think everyone has someone in their life who I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not that person, because I think, as we say
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Speaker 1: on the show repeatedly, Anna and I are never late.
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Speaker 1: We are we actually show up on time, although today
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Speaker 1: I will say there were some malfunctioning issues, so that
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Speaker 1: doesn't really I mean, I think actually maybe it's okay
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Speaker 1: to even say that. Throughout the season something she's got it. Actually, yes,
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Speaker 1: actually Anna has weirdly since that episode become later and later,
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Speaker 1: later and later. Sometimes it's just a minute, but sometimes
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Speaker 1: it's about five. So at some point we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to go back and do like a where are they now?
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Speaker 1: Episode and be like, where's Anna now? She's actually ten
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Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes late. Exactly where are they now? They're
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Speaker 1: actually not here because they're running late. She's running late.
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Speaker 1: But we decided to investigate lateness, and and so it's
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Speaker 1: sort of the episode takes us in sort of like
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Speaker 1: all kinds of different directions. We set up a focus group.
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Speaker 1: Because it was COVID, we couldn't actually meet with people.
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Speaker 1: We basically found a bunch of strangers who identified themselves
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Speaker 1: as late people, and we just sat in a zoom
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Speaker 1: room with them, which was really fun, and then we
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Speaker 1: did a sort of like right along with a person
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Speaker 1: who was late on his way to meet a friend,
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Speaker 1: because that's usually when a late person will be late,
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Speaker 1: is on the way to see their friend. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I think that's like the fun thing about our investigations.
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Speaker 1: We sort of start with the idea and then we
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Speaker 1: just like it kind of takes us in sort of
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Speaker 1: all kinds of different directions, so we can sort of
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Speaker 1: understand the idea. Yeah, And a lot of times it's
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Speaker 1: nice because the way our quote unquote scientific method or
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Speaker 1: whatever you can tell how scientific it is, um, is
15:47
Speaker 1: just like ranges from oh, what would what would like,
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Speaker 1: what would be a fun way? What it would be
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Speaker 1: our way of looking at this, and then on the
15:56
Speaker 1: other end of the spectrum, what would be fun for
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Speaker 1: us to do? And so I think it actually just
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Speaker 1: ends up happening that, um, we are like, what's the
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Speaker 1: thing that we'd like to do and would that fit thematically?
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Speaker 1: And so it becomes an excuse. I think the reason
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Speaker 1: why it works so effortlessly is because it's just a
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Speaker 1: continuation of us hanging out honestly, Um, But like the
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Speaker 1: clocked in going to work version, you know, but it's like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna I mean, I guess I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: spill a little bit of beans. We haven't done this yet,
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Speaker 1: but we were like, well, what would be really fun
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Speaker 1: is if we had an excuse to go in a
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Speaker 1: hot air balloon, so like like in podcasts from the
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Speaker 1: Hot air Balloon and podcast from the Hot air Balloon.
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Speaker 1: So that's like, you know, yeah, we'll do anything for science,
16:40
Speaker 1: but also that's the thing we would like to do.
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Speaker 1: So I love that idea. Yeah, pay for me to
16:46
Speaker 1: do this because I want to do this, but we'll
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Speaker 1: do it for the show exactly. We don't do that
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Speaker 1: at all, do we? Any you gotta do? Just wanted
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Speaker 1: a hot air balloon, I mean just want Yeah, of course,
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Speaker 1: okay without the hot air balloon. Problem is we're not
17:02
Speaker 1: as like you guys are very professional in how you
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Speaker 1: record and how you sound. So for us, if we
17:08
Speaker 1: we actually do the hot air balloon, it's probably gonna
17:10
Speaker 1: be like the worst sound ever because we just do
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Speaker 1: it and then we like to figure it out later.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe hyperventilating from me as I'm not to
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Speaker 1: pass out and you're holding the mic as I fall
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Speaker 1: in the fetal position, So that could be fun. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, so in your episodes, you actually do interact
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Speaker 1: and talk to these people, which, by the way, your
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Speaker 1: description of how you see these people hilarious. I love it.
17:39
Speaker 1: You're like the shirt thanks him where essentially with a
17:43
Speaker 1: fantastic Well have these people who are on there, have
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Speaker 1: they listened to it? And have they commented about your
17:49
Speaker 1: commentary at all? I've I've really tried to get an
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Speaker 1: opinion out of the participants, and you know, I've been like,
17:56
Speaker 1: you're you're on, You're on this week's show, and you're
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Speaker 1: actually a really big part of it and I and
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Speaker 1: I even can't wait to hear what you think. And
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Speaker 1: the responses have been you know, ha ha um no
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Speaker 1: real I'm gonna say no, real insight. So yeah, I
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Speaker 1: been really cool about it, very cool about it. In
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Speaker 1: the late episode, we have one of my favorite descriptions
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Speaker 1: about Mia, and this is the late person's friend who
18:25
Speaker 1: they're going to meet, and I think the description is like, um,
18:29
Speaker 1: she was gorgeous. She's like the type of girl that
18:33
Speaker 1: you know, we plan your your ultimate bridesmaid brides Yeah,
18:40
Speaker 1: she's the ultimate bridesmaid. You know, she's the one who
18:42
Speaker 1: sets up everything, organizes everything. But you know, check out
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Speaker 1: the dance floor. She's also on the dance floor breaking
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Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, she's doing the place car. She's like
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Speaker 1: doing the place cars. But damn, she's also got moves.
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Speaker 1: You know, she's cool and partying effortless. Yeah. Um, well,
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Speaker 1: I think we ran into her, and so I think
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Speaker 1: we did say, like, what did you think of? Like
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Speaker 1: you like your description of how we described you. I
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Speaker 1: think she really liked it. But again, she didn't have
19:11
Speaker 1: much to say about it. But but I take it
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Speaker 1: as she really liked it. Yeah, I can't help but
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Speaker 1: think she loved it, and so we'll just go ahead.
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Speaker 1: She loved it? Like that description. I feel like that
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Speaker 1: makes me also nervous, me like when people actually meet me,
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Speaker 1: or that people who actually know maybe like that's a
19:30
Speaker 1: damn lie while lying about you mistrustful? Okay, interesting, Well
19:36
Speaker 1: I love like I mean, I I selfishly also love
19:40
Speaker 1: like Serrial. Any any investigative podcast. I'm there, I'm listening.
19:45
Speaker 1: I don't even care what it's about, specifically. What I
19:47
Speaker 1: love is their cadence. A lot of times it's just
19:50
Speaker 1: so to me. It's so funny, but it's also when
19:54
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be funny, it's like painfully not and
19:56
Speaker 1: then you know, just whatever. It's like just a very
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Speaker 1: very fast, sinating way of speaking. And the way Sarah
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Speaker 1: Kaneig specifically described like everyone she encountered is always like,
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm thinking of like the main the main
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Speaker 1: character of the first season none, but she was like,
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Speaker 1: and he's I mean, it's really not about this, but
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Speaker 1: he's do ide. He's gorgeous. I mean you look at him,
20:20
Speaker 1: you're reminded of a beautiful calf who is also a model,
20:23
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, I hope someone describes
20:29
Speaker 1: me as a beautiful calf in a model. So it's
20:33
Speaker 1: a calf and it's not threatening, but it's also a model,
20:35
Speaker 1: so you definitely are like, Wow, they're gorgeous. I want
20:39
Speaker 1: to put you in my magazine. I want to put
20:41
Speaker 1: you in my magazine and also my stable at the
20:43
Speaker 1: same time, in my stall. That's so stupid. It's a
20:48
Speaker 1: calf that I was gonna ask if you were into
21:09
Speaker 1: these kind of investigative podcast and true crime and your
21:14
Speaker 1: experience when it comes to like entering that world as
21:19
Speaker 1: women both as the investigators being the investigated, perhaps because um,
21:25
Speaker 1: like a lot of areas in podcasting when you think
21:29
Speaker 1: of true crime, not many women involved. And I was
21:34
Speaker 1: thinking about how a lot of times with true crime,
21:36
Speaker 1: which I haven't listened to a lot of, so I
21:39
Speaker 1: could be totally off my perception as somebody from the
21:42
Speaker 1: outside is a lot of times it's about women getting
21:45
Speaker 1: killed and like men talking about that, which I again,
21:48
Speaker 1: I could be totally off, but I was just interested
21:51
Speaker 1: in your experience and thoughts around that. I think, Kyle,
21:55
Speaker 1: maybe it's fair to say you famously tell them how
21:57
Speaker 1: many podcasts you listen to. Um, God, you guys are
22:01
Speaker 1: going to really hate me, but I listened to zero
22:03
Speaker 1: pod zero zero zero. However, I really enjoy you guys,
22:11
Speaker 1: so thank you. Let me ask you this question. How
22:14
Speaker 1: many of our podcasts episodes have you listened to? Kyle? Okay,
22:30
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. I do watch true crime. I'm
22:35
Speaker 1: more of a visual I will say again, it's hard
22:39
Speaker 1: for me to listen to something I don't think I
22:42
Speaker 1: can honestly compute all of it. So I like so
22:49
Speaker 1: I hate to watch So I watched true crime, any
22:53
Speaker 1: kind of true crime doc, right, yeah, of course, I'm
22:58
Speaker 1: on let him with you. She's on lunch. Started podcasting.
23:01
Speaker 1: I did not listen to a one. And I have
23:02
Speaker 1: a lot of friends and podcasting, and I'm like, oh yeah,
23:05
Speaker 1: I definitely am supporting your podcast. Subscribe, subscribe. I bought
23:09
Speaker 1: the mug. No. I think that's the cooler position to
23:12
Speaker 1: be in, because I will say, I'm on the other
23:14
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum. I'm listening to every podcast you
23:17
Speaker 1: have a podcast, I'm listening. I don't know why. Am
23:20
Speaker 1: I afraid of being alone with my thoughts? Maybe you know,
23:23
Speaker 1: I don't know it. Like I have it on. I
23:26
Speaker 1: have even a little system, like when I take a
23:29
Speaker 1: shower in the morning, I will listen that. Like that's
23:32
Speaker 1: when I listened to the news, you know, so I
23:35
Speaker 1: could get my day started that way, and then whatever
23:38
Speaker 1: the weekly pot I'm subscribed to a bunch of stuff,
23:40
Speaker 1: and like I really like to listen. I mean, this
23:42
Speaker 1: is really like ill. This has probably illness and it's
23:45
Speaker 1: actually not good. But like I'm walking around outside or
23:48
Speaker 1: if I go for a rent or something, I'm listening
23:50
Speaker 1: to true crime. You know, I don't know why. I
23:52
Speaker 1: really don't know why. And I do think that I've
23:55
Speaker 1: heard the true crime is consumed by women, and I
23:59
Speaker 1: wonder if it's like I don't know that I can
24:01
Speaker 1: make this scientific claim, but I I wonder. I'm assuming
24:06
Speaker 1: my hunch is like, maybe it's the thing we fear
24:09
Speaker 1: because the thing that's ever present, and so we are
24:11
Speaker 1: like almost in some way, sorry to use the red tantalized,
24:14
Speaker 1: but here we go tantalize, but like you know, or
24:17
Speaker 1: like you're listening to it in a in a in
24:19
Speaker 1: that way like almost you know, you're like interested in
24:23
Speaker 1: the thing that scares you, you know. I mean, I
24:25
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't actively like feel a fear when
24:28
Speaker 1: I listen to it. If anything, I think we're like
24:30
Speaker 1: binging these things and so we're if anything, we're distancing
24:33
Speaker 1: ourselves from it and are like overwhelming ourselves with it.
24:37
Speaker 1: But I will say that I listen. There's even a
24:41
Speaker 1: show I hate that I listened to every week. I'm there,
24:45
Speaker 1: I'm listening. I hate the host. It's a man. I
24:48
Speaker 1: hate him. Um he is. He's definitely you know, a
24:52
Speaker 1: lot of crimes are like, uh, the victims are women,
24:56
Speaker 1: and his the way this specific person talks about it
25:00
Speaker 1: is like callous and gross and weird and I don't
25:04
Speaker 1: know why. I don't know why I keep listening to it.
25:07
Speaker 1: And he even calls out, um, there are two very
25:10
Speaker 1: famous female podcasters obviously who have a true crime investigative show,
25:15
Speaker 1: and he constantly like rags on them, and I don't
25:17
Speaker 1: know why, and I like them so much and I
25:20
Speaker 1: hate him, and I'm still listening. I don't know what
25:22
Speaker 1: is that that's sick? Here you go listening, I think,
25:26
Speaker 1: which is some of our listeners who like to tell
25:28
Speaker 1: us how much they hate us, but they still listen.
25:30
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Just kidding, but yeah, no, I
25:33
Speaker 1: think we did a whole episode about women who are
25:35
Speaker 1: obsessed with serial killers in general, and it's kind of
25:38
Speaker 1: a large number. You're right, And again, the people who
25:41
Speaker 1: consume the most, like true crime podcast specifically and documentaries
25:45
Speaker 1: are typically women as well. And there's this whole level
25:48
Speaker 1: of like whether it's like a maternal thing, whether it's
25:50
Speaker 1: that mystery of it all and trying to unfold and
25:53
Speaker 1: seeing if you could see the underlying things that are
25:56
Speaker 1: there that is for me and I cannot figure it out,
25:59
Speaker 1: which is stumidic. If you look at Wikipedia there it is.
26:01
Speaker 1: I figured it out, but there's still this random fascination
26:06
Speaker 1: that it's like what happened here? What went wrong? But
26:10
Speaker 1: you do this whole other level when it's like you're
26:13
Speaker 1: like you're a part of that. So we were so
26:15
Speaker 1: removed from treue crime, like I'm not going to murder
26:17
Speaker 1: this person in this way and hack of their body. Nah,
26:20
Speaker 1: But you guys are like, why is that person rearranging
26:23
Speaker 1: their plants? I need to know what they are doing?
26:26
Speaker 1: Why is that person so mean? Like you are doing
26:29
Speaker 1: the things I swear it is God's work for real,
26:33
Speaker 1: we're calling out the everyday things that again, you said
26:36
Speaker 1: that we take for granted that it's happening, but when
26:38
Speaker 1: you sit there and actually watch and you're like, why
26:42
Speaker 1: is this happening? At what point were you guys like
26:45
Speaker 1: we must do a podcast about this? You know what?
26:49
Speaker 1: I have to say that part of the allure of
26:52
Speaker 1: doing this was I would say, now that we're doing
26:55
Speaker 1: the podcast, there's really no danger. There's serial But I
27:02
Speaker 1: wasn't treagued by you know, steak out, you know, watching someone.
27:08
Speaker 1: I like the idea of like being someone who's like
27:11
Speaker 1: we're following someone. The truth is kind of us to
27:14
Speaker 1: wear a really big hat, so that's disguise, huge hat,
27:22
Speaker 1: and then I want to be able to rip it
27:23
Speaker 1: off and go, yeah it was meal and they're like,
27:26
Speaker 1: who are you? So you want to be in your
27:29
Speaker 1: own Scooby Special big time. Yeah. We love the fanfare
27:34
Speaker 1: around investigating. I don't really love a dead body, I
27:37
Speaker 1: gotta say, but you know, the the steak out, the
27:40
Speaker 1: trench coat, I mean, the magnifying glass. Yes, of course,
27:45
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, I think we wanted to do it
27:47
Speaker 1: in a way that felt like what we could manage. Okay,
27:50
Speaker 1: maybe we can't solve a murder case, but we could
27:53
Speaker 1: maybe solve why that one neighbor is kind of weird
27:59
Speaker 1: or like there's there's a there's space for us, for us,
28:04
Speaker 1: and I feel like we just created that space. Yeah.
28:08
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point to Kyle, Like, I
28:10
Speaker 1: think that it's there is space for all sorts of mysteries.
28:13
Speaker 1: It's not that, you know, it doesn't have to be gruesome,
28:17
Speaker 1: you know. I Mean the sad thing too, is that
28:20
Speaker 1: because there's an over like there's so much over saturation
28:24
Speaker 1: of true crime stuff that it's almost like things don't
28:28
Speaker 1: even that's not even gruesome enough. You know, like it
28:31
Speaker 1: has to be it has to be worse, it has
28:33
Speaker 1: to be like, it has to be totally vile in
28:37
Speaker 1: order for it to even be interesting. That a simple
28:39
Speaker 1: murder is like not even I'm sorry, it's like whatever,
28:43
Speaker 1: you know, it's like boring now, And so it's like, well,
28:46
Speaker 1: also there are mysteries that are important to me, like, yeah,
28:50
Speaker 1: why did my neighbor rearrange her succulents five times a day?
28:54
Speaker 1: And sometimes it would even be six? What is that?
28:56
Speaker 1: You know? I got I gotta look into that. Just
28:59
Speaker 1: like wise, tomato juice good when you're on an airplane.
29:01
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, and I want to know
29:03
Speaker 1: why is it good an airplane? It's so good. You're refreshed.
29:06
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're looking flies hell the second that
29:09
Speaker 1: hits your mouth. Okay, but I love tomato ju with
29:13
Speaker 1: a little live. I mean, you're on vacation, you're already
29:16
Speaker 1: vacations already started, you haven't even landed yet. You bring
29:19
Speaker 1: me warm tomato juice on the ground. I mean, what
29:22
Speaker 1: have I done wrong? You than your family? Why are you?
29:25
Speaker 1: You know? Well, yeah, that's kind to my point, I
29:29
Speaker 1: was coming back to the guy who wrote like essentially
29:31
Speaker 1: the Well, actually, I thought there was going to be
29:33
Speaker 1: science and all of this, and that's something Samantha and
29:36
Speaker 1: I have experienced on this show where this is anecdotal,
29:41
Speaker 1: there is research to back it up, but we get
29:43
Speaker 1: critiqued way more as women, especially when we're talking about
29:47
Speaker 1: something that's viewed as like a male domain or something scientific.
29:51
Speaker 1: Where we even did an experiment once where we did
29:54
Speaker 1: a side by side same content, one was done by
29:57
Speaker 1: a woman when my man man got all almost zero critiques.
30:01
Speaker 1: Woman just nobody trusted her, Nobody believed that she didn't
30:05
Speaker 1: know what she's talking about, no credibility. So I think
30:08
Speaker 1: that having this podcast where you're just like, resolutely know
30:12
Speaker 1: this doesn't that's not what we are. I'm very happy
30:16
Speaker 1: that you're doing that, very very happy that you're just
30:20
Speaker 1: like that, that's not our thing totally. That's so interesting.
30:24
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. Obviously I was going to say that
30:26
Speaker 1: there was also that also this is anecdotal as well,
30:29
Speaker 1: but someone published under a male pseudonym and then like
30:33
Speaker 1: was her submission got in she was or she was
30:36
Speaker 1: trying to enter her pieces into I forget where like
30:39
Speaker 1: New Yorker or whatever, and then rejected rejected, rejected under
30:43
Speaker 1: female name, but then under male name, immediately got published
30:46
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, again anecdotal, but totally of course.
30:50
Speaker 1: I feel like to even take risks as a like,
30:54
Speaker 1: it's so different to be able to take risks as
30:57
Speaker 1: a female identifying person, Like so much grace is offered
31:01
Speaker 1: to male identifying people, you know, like yeah, yeah, I
31:05
Speaker 1: was going to add that. It's like I think also
31:07
Speaker 1: the combination of it being an investigated podcast but also
31:11
Speaker 1: we're comedians. I think like trying to make a joke
31:15
Speaker 1: as a woman is like like it's just like some
31:20
Speaker 1: guys that they're trying to like what do you call
31:22
Speaker 1: it in basketball, is just trying to block your ass.
31:27
Speaker 1: Like I literally feel like it's just something. It feels
31:31
Speaker 1: like Yeah. I think immediately when our podcast came out
31:35
Speaker 1: and we're like clearly we're just trying to make some jokes,
31:38
Speaker 1: I think that there are people who wanted to shut
31:41
Speaker 1: us down because it's just like even us just trying
31:44
Speaker 1: to be funny. I think is like there's gonna be
31:47
Speaker 1: people who are going to be like, oh no, you don't,
31:51
Speaker 1: you can't do that, or you're not you know what
31:53
Speaker 1: I mean, You're not allowed to do that. But I
31:55
Speaker 1: think we're used to it, and I think it's just
31:58
Speaker 1: cool because then they're just people who really get it,
32:02
Speaker 1: and it's like that's who we make it for, you
32:04
Speaker 1: know what I mean totally, Yeah, I mean the nice
32:07
Speaker 1: thing is that, yeah, we totally have a nice back
32:09
Speaker 1: catalog of at least like basically a decade of like
32:13
Speaker 1: facing that kind of thing in comedy anyway, So that's
32:17
Speaker 1: that's good for them. Uh we are we already know,
32:20
Speaker 1: we know they ropes, So yeah, we're used to this,
32:23
Speaker 1: So get on you know episode my man. Yeah, we
32:31
Speaker 1: I mean we've had uh several comedians on here, and
32:34
Speaker 1: we've talked about that because obviously, you know, the joke
32:38
Speaker 1: is that women are funny. And that's a really good point, Kyle,
32:42
Speaker 1: of like, you're not only in the investigative space, but
32:45
Speaker 1: also in the comedy space, which is double. Um. Have
32:49
Speaker 1: you seen that kind of attitude shift at all in
32:52
Speaker 1: your years working in comedy? I think so. I think
32:56
Speaker 1: there's been a really cool, exciting shift. I personally speaking,
33:01
Speaker 1: this is like when I started comedy in San Francisco.
33:04
Speaker 1: And this feels very weird because San Francisco sounds so
33:07
Speaker 1: like experimental and so much cool. Weird comedy came out
33:10
Speaker 1: of their personally speaking doing again quote unquote alternative comedy.
33:15
Speaker 1: It felt like you're not allowed, You're not allowed to
33:17
Speaker 1: be like weird, and and of a female performer, you're
33:20
Speaker 1: just not like it felt even more insular. The weird space,
33:25
Speaker 1: the alternative comedy space felt like it was just guys,
33:28
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, I mean, there's there's
33:31
Speaker 1: like more history to this than than what I'm about
33:34
Speaker 1: to say. But I think like Tim and Eric undoubtedly
33:37
Speaker 1: created a whole wave of weird comedy, and so the
33:40
Speaker 1: people who are coming out now are like students of
33:43
Speaker 1: whatever that is, you know, not to negate the efforts
33:46
Speaker 1: of everybody weird pre Tim and Eric, but like that's
33:49
Speaker 1: how I've felt, and I feel like now in the
33:52
Speaker 1: last five years, at least weird comedy, the term alternative
33:57
Speaker 1: is now like irrelevant because it's actually what's popular. If
34:00
Speaker 1: you look at any like vodka commercial, they basically the
34:03
Speaker 1: language is the cadence of Tim and Eric, you know,
34:05
Speaker 1: so it's no longer alternative, but so like, I think
34:08
Speaker 1: women are more allowed in the space, and it's like
34:11
Speaker 1: what's more popular now but still I feel like taking
34:15
Speaker 1: a risk is often uh like rewarded when um men
34:20
Speaker 1: and male identifying people do it, and not so much
34:23
Speaker 1: when women. Like I just feel like people are Hartshire
34:25
Speaker 1: critics of women, and so what is considered taking a
34:30
Speaker 1: risk is like seen as just wrong and maybe not
34:32
Speaker 1: like ambitious and cool and whatever, you know and celebratory.
34:37
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't know. That's been my experience. Yeah,
34:41
Speaker 1: I think that we still do. I think that we
34:45
Speaker 1: still do experienced stuff, and maybe it's a little bit
34:48
Speaker 1: more settle because more of the popular culture of comedy
34:53
Speaker 1: right now is more accepting and like more you know,
34:57
Speaker 1: about women doing comedy. I think there's out of backlash
35:00
Speaker 1: after like all of that, Like women are funny, you know,
35:04
Speaker 1: and so it feels like we're in a very like
35:07
Speaker 1: positive time. But I think I think Annon and I
35:11
Speaker 1: experience things on a very more like individual level. Like
35:15
Speaker 1: it could be as subtle as someone you know, making
35:19
Speaker 1: a weird comment to you after a show and you're like,
35:22
Speaker 1: you would never say that to a guy. You would
35:25
Speaker 1: never say that comment, you know what I mean. It's
35:28
Speaker 1: like this subtle thing where I think if you identify
35:31
Speaker 1: as a woman and you like, know what that is.
35:34
Speaker 1: But even to tell someone that they would necessarily be
35:37
Speaker 1: like super overt, like they wouldn't necessarily know what that is.
35:41
Speaker 1: But I think, like, yeah, I think I think we
35:44
Speaker 1: still experience stuff on a certain level and as individuals,
35:49
Speaker 1: like they feel safe offering you advice even like it
35:52
Speaker 1: doesn't even be like criticism, could just be like they
35:55
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, you know what here, actually you could
35:58
Speaker 1: I think what you could use as my in Uh.
36:02
Speaker 1: I think that's a missing link. I think what it
36:05
Speaker 1: is is that a lot of times also, you know,
36:08
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's a thing where like I feel like
36:11
Speaker 1: men put out work or something and we accepted as work,
36:14
Speaker 1: you know, But for us, it's like we put something
36:18
Speaker 1: out and then it's like, uh, you know, like we
36:22
Speaker 1: have to like figure out how to make it valid
36:24
Speaker 1: and make it like worth it. And so there's a
36:28
Speaker 1: lot of that going on. And I even feel with
36:30
Speaker 1: their podcast a lot of like, you know, we're trying
36:33
Speaker 1: to like validate this thing where I know in someone
36:35
Speaker 1: else's hands they would have put it out and it's
36:38
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't have to do that. But you know,
36:41
Speaker 1: the cool thing about working with Anna's that we're very
36:44
Speaker 1: confident in what we do, and we feel like what
36:48
Speaker 1: we do is like hopefully undenied. I mean, I don't
36:52
Speaker 1: think you can say hopefully undenied. It's not, but I
36:57
Speaker 1: hope our goal is just to make be consistent and
37:02
Speaker 1: like keep making it and just like blocking out everything
37:05
Speaker 1: because I think ultimately, you know, we're making something that
37:10
Speaker 1: we love. Yeah, so I think it's like a success
37:13
Speaker 1: in that it's an exact execution I've been saying of
37:17
Speaker 1: the thing we wanted to make. So it's like we
37:19
Speaker 1: are making it exactly the way we wanted to make it.
37:21
Speaker 1: That's undeniable, Like it's it is a reflection of you know,
37:25
Speaker 1: the cool thing about it being a podcast is that
37:27
Speaker 1: we're allowed to be as ambitious as we want. And
37:29
Speaker 1: so we're like, yeah, we wanna I don't know, skydive
37:32
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, like we want to skydive onto
37:35
Speaker 1: a corn field And it's just an idea that I
37:37
Speaker 1: came up with the Kyle that I haven't run by
37:39
Speaker 1: you yet, but but like cornfield because why not? Okay?
37:47
Speaker 1: But I just mean like we are allowed to do
37:50
Speaker 1: a kind of we were allowed to go as big
37:52
Speaker 1: as we want and we don't have to like wait
37:54
Speaker 1: for people's permission really like we definitely have a producer's
37:57
Speaker 1: advice and opinions, and luckily they're very supportive of us
38:01
Speaker 1: and they rock. And I think that it's very specific,
38:05
Speaker 1: and I think it's like for a specific maybe a
38:08
Speaker 1: group of people. But then yeah, I think it's like
38:12
Speaker 1: not really that questionable. You know that we were talking
38:17
Speaker 1: about earlier. You gotta make this gesture when you do
38:20
Speaker 1: your listeners. You can't see it, but you know what
38:21
Speaker 1: it is. So this could be like me way projecting,
38:42
Speaker 1: but I love that. Yes, do you think when you're
38:45
Speaker 1: investigating these these mysteries that you are seemingly insignificant? Do
38:53
Speaker 1: you find that it enlightens you to a bigger like
38:58
Speaker 1: more you can extrapolate it to other things in life,
39:01
Speaker 1: for like, oh, I don't know, like at the end,
39:05
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're talking about the depth of
39:07
Speaker 1: humanity or something. Do you know A mean you're like,
39:12
Speaker 1: but it means so much more. I think a couple
39:16
Speaker 1: of the questions the answers have been very loose. I'll
39:20
Speaker 1: say that, um, and that is no disrespect to us
39:22
Speaker 1: as investigators, but that is just the answers have been loose,
39:26
Speaker 1: and so they I think sometimes they also feel like
39:30
Speaker 1: joke answers. But I've definitely had a few moments where
39:32
Speaker 1: I'm like that, actually, you know what, that is true,
39:37
Speaker 1: and I think in some of them on a bigger level. Yeah,
39:39
Speaker 1: Like I think when we were doing why are some
39:42
Speaker 1: people mean, the conclusion we reached ultimately, I guess could
39:46
Speaker 1: be unsatisfying because it's like we didn't find like a
39:48
Speaker 1: synapse in the brain that whatever, those are the biggest parts.
39:51
Speaker 1: I can think of it the moment. But sounds good, Yeah,
39:54
Speaker 1: sounds pretty good. But I think we were like, I
39:57
Speaker 1: don't think anybody is inherently bad. I think people have
40:00
Speaker 1: a bad day, but they could have a series of
40:03
Speaker 1: bad days, and that series of bad days could ultimately
40:06
Speaker 1: be a lifetime. Um, you know, I think that that's
40:09
Speaker 1: like to me, that sounds that sounds almost pretty insightful.
40:15
Speaker 1: That sounds pretty good. I don't I don't know, like,
40:19
Speaker 1: I don't know if I it's it hasn't led to
40:22
Speaker 1: like a concrete I can comment on like the essence
40:25
Speaker 1: of man. But I think you know, I've I've read,
40:28
Speaker 1: I've read a good amount of Russian literature. I'm I'm
40:31
Speaker 1: I'm asking introvert like introspective questions. I think I think
40:34
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good answer to me. Most of the
40:40
Speaker 1: questions that you guys are asking are typically the why
40:43
Speaker 1: of humanity? Again, but like but why is that to
40:47
Speaker 1: your question of like just just why, and it can
40:50
Speaker 1: never really be answered, especially like at the beginning of
40:53
Speaker 1: your episodes with the main stuff that people calling in
40:55
Speaker 1: and essentially complaining that's someone doing something to them one
41:01
Speaker 1: time or a few times, and it's kind of that
41:03
Speaker 1: whole other level of like, yeah, but we don't know
41:05
Speaker 1: the background of what they were going through. It could
41:07
Speaker 1: just be there awkward, and you do talk about that
41:09
Speaker 1: at one point, like this could be like they have
41:11
Speaker 1: an anxiety a disorder, and therefore they are not able
41:14
Speaker 1: to interact the way you want them to interact. Or
41:18
Speaker 1: you may be paranoid and thinking that they're being mean
41:21
Speaker 1: to you when an actuality they're just being whatever, and
41:25
Speaker 1: you took it as a personal attack. Like there's so
41:27
Speaker 1: many of those levels of like these are big, huge questions,
41:31
Speaker 1: which again a two year old asks you when you
41:34
Speaker 1: just sit there and going because and I guess because
41:42
Speaker 1: that's that that's the parent answer that no one actually
41:44
Speaker 1: ever has, and then when you grow up you're like,
41:46
Speaker 1: that's not an answer, so tell me why. But yeah,
41:49
Speaker 1: that conduct goes all up into the universal of are
41:54
Speaker 1: we breaking some boundaries and bringing people together and just pausing,
42:00
Speaker 1: you know, like this is what you're hoping you're doing,
42:02
Speaker 1: not you me, like when I'm asking those big questions
42:06
Speaker 1: and in the end, you're just actually confusing yourself and
42:09
Speaker 1: those around you, which is at me. And he just
42:14
Speaker 1: nods at me typically and says, what, Samantha, you are
42:19
Speaker 1: making me think? Like if I had a two year
42:21
Speaker 1: old or something, maybe then I'd be like that. That's
42:23
Speaker 1: when we're done with the shows. The kids ask that,
42:30
Speaker 1: we're like, no, just know. Well, like in my response
42:35
Speaker 1: is like why are people mean? Because they suck? Yeah,
42:38
Speaker 1: that would be my only answer, And I say that
42:40
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm the mean person. I definitely had my bad days.
42:44
Speaker 1: You're talking about all of the stuff you've got up
42:46
Speaker 1: coming as identifying as a woman and all of your
42:49
Speaker 1: shows and being essentially just having to deal with all
42:53
Speaker 1: the sexist interactions. And recently I saw on Twitter a
42:56
Speaker 1: lot people talking about how female comedians were introduced, and
42:58
Speaker 1: oftentimes it included how they were dressed. What they looked
43:02
Speaker 1: like instead of actual like backgrounds of them, which is
43:05
Speaker 1: really infuriating. And you're talking about how things have changed
43:09
Speaker 1: when it comes to your podcast, do you have kind
43:12
Speaker 1: of obviously you do because you are people who identify
43:14
Speaker 1: as women, but kind of that feminist perspective of what
43:17
Speaker 1: these questions are and how you approach it or how
43:20
Speaker 1: it's answered. I think that, like I'll try to start
43:24
Speaker 1: it off and then Kyle, you really can take it away.
43:26
Speaker 1: I think that, like it's yes, we undoubtedly have had
43:30
Speaker 1: these experiences, were also like very I don't know, we
43:33
Speaker 1: both have like pretty funky I think, um and understandings
43:37
Speaker 1: of our own femininity. You know, we're definitely like I
43:42
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean yeah too. I mean I think
43:44
Speaker 1: to be a woman and to be like aware is
43:47
Speaker 1: to be a feminist in a lot of ways. You know,
43:50
Speaker 1: like if you are putting yourself in positions where you're
43:55
Speaker 1: criticized only because you're a woman, you can't help but
43:58
Speaker 1: be aware, you know, and so that shapes everything. You know.
44:03
Speaker 1: It's like it's a hard question to answer because it's
44:06
Speaker 1: like there's nothing I don't see through the perspective of
44:09
Speaker 1: a woman. It informs I think literally everything. I don't
44:12
Speaker 1: know that I'm actively thinking about it all the time.
44:15
Speaker 1: I don't think I see everything as like, I don't
44:18
Speaker 1: know that I'm immediately aware of my perspective of it
44:21
Speaker 1: because of that, but it it undoubtedly shapes everything, you know.
44:26
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think like even being aware of like
44:28
Speaker 1: who's receiving and who's listening, and are they offering us
44:32
Speaker 1: the same grace as they would a man, probably not?
44:35
Speaker 1: You know, that shapes the way we make the show too, right,
44:39
Speaker 1: Like that's definitely an active part of it. I don't
44:43
Speaker 1: know that we are necessarily making something that we say
44:46
Speaker 1: this is feminist, you know, but I think that the
44:50
Speaker 1: way we enter spaces, the way that we ask people,
44:54
Speaker 1: the questions we ask, our perspectives of them are are
44:59
Speaker 1: inherently feminist and female. So to me, the two are
45:04
Speaker 1: intrinsically tied. That's my kind of not funny. Um no,
45:11
Speaker 1: it's great, and I think that sort of always my personally,
45:16
Speaker 1: my goal whenever I make something is to um clown
45:21
Speaker 1: on some men, always like, and that's sort of my approach. Yeah,
45:30
Speaker 1: I think so too. I definitely have never felt like
45:33
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not feminine or female and I refuse to participe,
45:38
Speaker 1: you know, like it's never that at all, Like how
45:41
Speaker 1: could it not be. It's also I don't know, I
45:43
Speaker 1: feel like my experience of being let's say others as
45:47
Speaker 1: a woman are like then go on to make my perspective,
45:52
Speaker 1: I think more interesting, right, I think the things that
45:54
Speaker 1: make you, um, this is a very simple maybe over
45:58
Speaker 1: making it over a lament entry, but like the things
46:00
Speaker 1: that make you different are the points of yourself that
46:04
Speaker 1: are probably the most interesting, right, yes, should really shut
46:09
Speaker 1: them down? Okay, has anything to say? No, I think
46:14
Speaker 1: that was that was perfect. I think it's hard to
46:16
Speaker 1: separate the two. I like with how you said that,
46:19
Speaker 1: Like it's like that is like party. That is our
46:24
Speaker 1: perspective because that is our part of our identity. So
46:27
Speaker 1: it's hard to separate them and also identify how they
46:30
Speaker 1: impact things because they're just like literally layered into things,
46:35
Speaker 1: you know. I don't think we're even able sometimes to
46:38
Speaker 1: be fully conscious of how they're they're how they're like
46:42
Speaker 1: participating in things, because they're just us. Yeah, And I
46:49
Speaker 1: think about like the things I would want to hear
46:51
Speaker 1: in the way I would want to be spoken to
46:53
Speaker 1: in the entertainment I want to consume, and unfortunately, for
46:56
Speaker 1: a long time it didn't involve me as a There
46:59
Speaker 1: is a lot of comedy that didn't, I think, have
47:02
Speaker 1: me as a desired member of its audience. So I'm
47:06
Speaker 1: like making you know, I like, I mean, I grew
47:10
Speaker 1: up in Russia. Guilty is charged, and the things the
47:13
Speaker 1: comedies that I really liked were like Robin Williams and
47:16
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker because they were really physical and really goofy,
47:19
Speaker 1: and so that's what I wanted to do. I don't
47:22
Speaker 1: know that they necessarily were like we want women as
47:24
Speaker 1: audience or whatever, but those are the things I want
47:28
Speaker 1: and the things that I am bodied that I now
47:31
Speaker 1: hope to make for others and hope to make them
47:34
Speaker 1: feel more included. I don't know. Yeah, I think it
47:37
Speaker 1: really matters who who is making stuff in that perspective
47:41
Speaker 1: and who's asking questions. Because something we've been talking about
47:43
Speaker 1: a lot on this show lately is how science is
47:46
Speaker 1: biased in a lot of ways and has been biased
47:47
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but we just trust like, oh,
47:49
Speaker 1: it's science, so that's yeah, fact um. And one of
47:52
Speaker 1: my favorite examples is there was this study that was
47:55
Speaker 1: done by I think like five men and it was
47:57
Speaker 1: about why women carry their cell phones, and they put
48:00
Speaker 1: in all this money and like all this stuff, and
48:02
Speaker 1: they finally asked a woman. She's like, well, we don't
48:04
Speaker 1: have pockets, and so like literally, if they had a woman,
48:08
Speaker 1: she could have told them immediately, just so much money. Yes,
48:13
Speaker 1: you can read the paper. It's great, like all the
48:16
Speaker 1: theories they have into it. You're like, wow, we were
48:19
Speaker 1: coming from different angles friends, because I know that answer immediately.
48:25
Speaker 1: So I love I love that. That's something that I
48:28
Speaker 1: have anxiety about on this show is when you make
48:31
Speaker 1: these kind of observations or generalizations, especially about for us
48:35
Speaker 1: when it comes to gender and using any kind of
48:37
Speaker 1: social science. It has been weaponized so often, and so
48:42
Speaker 1: it just makes me kind of anxious. But I I
48:44
Speaker 1: what you said about like people are they're complex, So
48:47
Speaker 1: like you can look into why are people always late?
48:50
Speaker 1: And there could be a general answer, but then there's
48:52
Speaker 1: also a complicated answer, so there's like avenue for connection.
48:55
Speaker 1: But also we're all different. So I think that just
48:58
Speaker 1: by making this and having a newer, different perspective in
49:03
Speaker 1: this this arena, that you are unfortunately asking questions that
49:08
Speaker 1: to us might seem obvious but there's my not ses totally.
49:14
Speaker 1: Just asking sometimes can feel radical even though that's not
49:17
Speaker 1: how we intended it or something, you know, right, Yeah,
49:22
Speaker 1: So as we wrap up here, is there anything on
49:25
Speaker 1: the horizon that you're excited about, any questions you're excited
49:30
Speaker 1: to ask and get answered? I mean, I think, I
49:34
Speaker 1: really I don't know if we can give it away,
49:36
Speaker 1: but we're wrapping up our first season, so there will
49:40
Speaker 1: be a second season, hallelujah, And we're so excited because
49:44
Speaker 1: I feel like this second season, we've the first season,
49:47
Speaker 1: we've kind of figured it out, so I feel like
49:49
Speaker 1: the second season we're really gonna go. We're going to
49:51
Speaker 1: really go there. We've been holding back honestly, and we're
49:56
Speaker 1: just ready to fire at all cylinders. But yeah, our
50:00
Speaker 1: season finale is coming up in the next few weeks.
50:03
Speaker 1: Our podcast release every Tuesday, so when comes out today?
50:07
Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll be asking today's episode that's coming out.
50:11
Speaker 1: I don't know when this podcast is coming out, but
50:14
Speaker 1: the episode coming out is why does it Feel So
50:16
Speaker 1: Good to Give Back? So this is actually one of
50:19
Speaker 1: our favorite episodes, and I don't want to give it away,
50:23
Speaker 1: but we decide to figure out why it is like
50:27
Speaker 1: giving is feels so good. And we do this by
50:31
Speaker 1: doing something really special for one of our friends. But
50:35
Speaker 1: we have limited time in our day, so that impacts
50:38
Speaker 1: what we end up doing. Yeah, that's really limits, but
50:43
Speaker 1: also offers a kind of gift due to the type
50:47
Speaker 1: of listener we can do for our friend and for
50:50
Speaker 1: the listener. Yeah, but it's pretty exciting. So hijacks and Sue.
50:55
Speaker 1: I know soon Neil'll be tired of people giving you suggestions.
50:58
Speaker 1: But I know, Samantha, please, you don't have to have to.
51:04
Speaker 1: But one of the things is like why cat people
51:06
Speaker 1: and dog people so competitive with each other? Yes, I
51:10
Speaker 1: see the sparks in Kyle's eyes immediately because I know
51:14
Speaker 1: where she is. I know exactly which I think. I
51:17
Speaker 1: know that's where she is because we kind of talked
51:19
Speaker 1: about it previously and I'm on her team. But you know,
51:23
Speaker 1: there's a big verses there. There's one. So I'm like,
51:26
Speaker 1: why let's talk about it and then you should have
51:29
Speaker 1: people debate about it. I'm not a good debate like
51:32
Speaker 1: a town hall debate. Yes, you bring your animals, like
51:38
Speaker 1: the animals speak to Oh my god, that's chaos. Let's
51:42
Speaker 1: do it. Give them a voice. You can do the
51:44
Speaker 1: TikTok version where they have an air bubble where you
51:47
Speaker 1: put in what they're saying. The audios got really complicated.
51:52
Speaker 1: We can do this and the other one because I
51:54
Speaker 1: just don't understand. I try so hard. Why do some
51:58
Speaker 1: people kill their house plants? Why can't they keep a
52:01
Speaker 1: plant alive? Yeah? I need to know why I couldn't
52:04
Speaker 1: do this. I want to love them, so I google
52:07
Speaker 1: about them, because Samantha, you got good at keeping your
52:10
Speaker 1: house plants alive? No, I killed them? You are? Oh okay,
52:15
Speaker 1: I see I killed the one that kills them. I
52:17
Speaker 1: need to know because I want to care. So we
52:19
Speaker 1: are doing and we're actually going to do a true
52:21
Speaker 1: crime season about you, scifically about her. Oh no, Samantha.
52:30
Speaker 1: We're going to interview like elementary school teachers be like, well,
52:34
Speaker 1: you know, as a child, that kind of song she
52:38
Speaker 1: just really has raged again. I think that. I love that.
52:45
Speaker 1: I think we absolutely could could look into that. Yeah,
52:48
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear about it. Yeah. I like how
52:51
Speaker 1: it's become. We're trying to get answers. Will you please
52:54
Speaker 1: do the research for answer? Absolutely? I mean we're taking
52:58
Speaker 1: we're actively taking pictures, so yes, love all of those
53:02
Speaker 1: is really a free gift to us. Yeah, well, thank
53:07
Speaker 1: you so much for being here with us. Um, where
53:10
Speaker 1: can the good listeners find you? Um? You can find
53:13
Speaker 1: us on Instagram and Twitter. Our Instagram name is at
53:19
Speaker 1: truth Hounds and you can basically get all of the
53:23
Speaker 1: podcast updates there and you can also listen to the podcast.
53:27
Speaker 1: But on Twitter, by the way, we are at by
53:30
Speaker 1: the Way Sounds just by the way, don't forget it,
53:33
Speaker 1: at the Truth Towns, and you can listen to us.
53:36
Speaker 1: We're on all podcasts platforms, so we're out there and
53:41
Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. So and we even
53:43
Speaker 1: have a tip line that you could call and leave
53:45
Speaker 1: the tip so if you have another question that you
53:50
Speaker 1: if you want to love those on the tip line.
53:53
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the new super fan and every
53:55
Speaker 1: phone call just maybe asking a question. I would love it.
53:57
Speaker 1: I would really love her. Yeah, so is a guy
54:03
Speaker 1: who knows science better than us. So we will definitely
54:06
Speaker 1: take you because I definitely do. Oh yes, definitely go
54:14
Speaker 1: check them out listeners of Samantha. I'm looking forward to
54:18
Speaker 1: this saga learning more about you. Thanks again Kyle and
54:25
Speaker 1: Anna for being with us. It was such a delight.
54:27
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for so much. Thank you. We'll
54:30
Speaker 1: have to come back soon. Yes, yes, And if you
54:34
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54:38
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54:42
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