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We No Longer Come To This Place For Magic · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Don't you have a slanket somewhere to feel with your farts?
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  Speaker 1: She's sheen am me? No me not my name? Yo? No?
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  Speaker 1: What is your childe Rada?
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  Speaker 2: I am a cook chok Yo. Life's going down before
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  Speaker 2: like und Welcome to like a Virgin, the show where
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  Speaker 2: we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.
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  Speaker 1: I'mra's DomU and I'm fran Torado. And I believe this
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  Speaker 1: fruit fly that has followed me from home to the
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  Speaker 1: studio because I know it's not from the studio. I
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  Speaker 1: am where right here on this mic? Oh there it
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  Speaker 1: just left. I'm just noticing that because okay, this is virgins,
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  Speaker 1: this is the state I'm coming to you today. I
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  Speaker 1: have a kind of fucked up foot from something that
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  Speaker 1: happened on Fire Island that was probably I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know why. But I was on the boardwalk.
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  Speaker 1: I was barefoot, and the rest is her story. Not
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  Speaker 1: a place you ever want to be barefoot. That's the whole,
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. You can't walk around Fire Island barefoot. No, okay,
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  Speaker 1: there it is. Oh, I got it. Did you see that?
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  Speaker 2: I got it?
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  Speaker 1: That was some jiu jitsu fly catching right for all of.
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  Speaker 2: Our vegan virgins out there. Don't come for FRANSA.
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  Speaker 1: Be on my ass. Okay, I promising likeness on the
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  Speaker 1: hunger Why must you always bring it back to the
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  Speaker 1: Hunger Games? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So everything it just works.
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  Speaker 1: I'm rounding to a point basically, on Fireland, do you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you're invited to kill it? It's still I
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  Speaker 1: on Fireland.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think you're in security?
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  Speaker 1: You think you're invincible? Plan you're not lo and behold. I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, fucked up my foot and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: my foot is fine, and so I only stayed off
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  Speaker 1: of it for three days and then started walking on
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  Speaker 1: it again and that made it worse. And now I
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  Speaker 1: have to stay off my foot indefinitely until it feels better.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm coming to you today having just barely left
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  Speaker 1: an ram cycle. I'm feeling a little zomkeed. I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: a little down. I'm also on a medication tolerance brank.
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  Speaker 1: So I, Oh, there's a fly. I saw you seeing it?
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  Speaker 2: Do you have it?
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  Speaker 1: The fly is our guest. Yes, this fly is sorry
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  Speaker 1: in the upcoming film, Yeah, Red White and Royal Blue.
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  Speaker 2: This fly is gonna is gonna share. You know some
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  Speaker 2: formative culture with us.
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  Speaker 1: This The Fly is actually the first out gay fly
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  Speaker 1: in the next season Survivor.
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  Speaker 2: So you are going through it, You're struggling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going through it. I'm struggling. I overslept and so
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little zomkeed. I have to lay in
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  Speaker 1: bed indefinitely for probably the whole week, which sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a really great thing.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not if you are someone who already spends
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  Speaker 1: a lot of time laying around in bed, which I do.
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  Speaker 1: And so my my point to all of this and
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  Speaker 1: why it all comes back to the fruit Fly is
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  Speaker 1: I am on a medication tolerance break, so my brain
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  Speaker 1: is like, really really not in its best.
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  Speaker 2: What are you what are you refraining from taking so
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  Speaker 2: you can tolerate it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean my antidepressants, and I took out it all
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  Speaker 1: this morning, but I haven't been on adderall. And then
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  Speaker 1: I'm also not doing Estra Doll for a minute. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just like taking a break from it all for like
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  Speaker 1: five days, because I'm like, if I have to be home,
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  Speaker 1: why not. But then that means that my house is discussed.
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  Speaker 2: Do you take estradile, you take pills? I do every day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do the shots, but oh my god, wait,
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  Speaker 1: this is something I can talk to you about.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So the my first I've now had two doctor visits
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  Speaker 1: for my foot. My first doctor visit, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: went to Apacha and she basically sat down, looked at
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  Speaker 1: my phone. She was like, you should see a derm
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's helpful. She was like,
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  Speaker 1: is there anything else that can help you with and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's okay. I'm just I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna go figure out another appointment and get some help
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And she goes, well, how's the hormone therapy going?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm not I just talked about
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  Speaker 1: this with my doctor, Like you're not my doctor, like whatever.
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  Speaker 2: She was just like a.
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  Speaker 1: Random doctor that they had slotted in that was available.
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  Speaker 1: And she goes, well, I assume you're not trying to
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  Speaker 1: like fully feminize, but are you considering blockers? And I
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  Speaker 1: was like and like, I assume I'm gonna assume the
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  Speaker 1: best of this doctor because she actually seemed really nice.
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  Speaker 1: I assumed that she like maybe looked at my record,
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  Speaker 1: which had like information about me not being like a
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  Speaker 1: binary trans.
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  Speaker 2: Person still a weird thing to say.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like she clocked my tea. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: call me a brick mom, like I know, like I
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  Speaker 1: mean maybe I had more facial her that day or
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I was just might well have walked in saying it.
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  Speaker 2: She was up brick house, which she's like like her
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  Speaker 2: phone and that's the ringtone.
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  Speaker 1: Like when she said have you considered going out on blockers?
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  Speaker 1: I heard like the drag race like rattlesnake, Like I
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  Speaker 1: was like, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: But so I just want to say, Spiro is evil.
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  Speaker 2: Spiro is evil. I will say this until the end
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  Speaker 2: of time. Spiro is the most evil thing you can
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  Speaker 2: put in your body.
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  Speaker 1: In my experience, and in my experience, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of girls, though have that experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I don't know any trans women who
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  Speaker 2: were on Spiral actin.
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  Speaker 1: Well wait at all, or they were on it momentarily
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  Speaker 1: and then who are currently on Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the girls try it and then so
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you. This woman convinced me to like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, get a prescription for blockers, which I will
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  Speaker 1: maybe try. Well, I don't think I'm gonna use it if.
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  Speaker 2: You want to lose all your body hair, which is
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  Speaker 2: a good thing, give yourself more hair, and I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: the possibility. If you want to lose all your body hair,
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  Speaker 2: make the hair on your head grow thicker and like
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  Speaker 2: less male pattern. If you want your like skin to
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  Speaker 2: soften and your fat to distribute in more womanly ways, yes,
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  Speaker 2: But if you want to piss every five to seven minutes,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to be horrifically irritable at all times
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  Speaker 2: and like super sensitive and want to kill yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And potentially never coming.
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  Speaker 2: I never had a problem coming ever. Well, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I mean like physically coming, physically noticing. Oh yeah. For
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  Speaker 2: for years I had no ji yeah, and led me.
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  Speaker 2: That's what women, and it led me to seek jes
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  Speaker 2: out in others. Right, Like Spiro is directly responsible for
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  Speaker 2: my cum fetish. Like I liked come before I transitioned,
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  Speaker 2: but then once I had none, I was like, give me,
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  Speaker 2: come give me, Come give me, com give me, come
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  Speaker 2: give me, come give me, come give me. Come.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, in the in the time, since now
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  Speaker 2: that I'm only on estradal, I don't come as much
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  Speaker 2: as I used to. But I come now, Okay, oh
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  Speaker 2: that's great. Yeah. Sometimes I even shoot, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, you can get it back, because sometimes it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh you can get it back. Okay, that's amazing. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say you momentarily invoked Carlie Ray Jefson
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  Speaker 1: with give Me Come.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I really like that. You didn't listen to the new album,
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  Speaker 1: did you?
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  Speaker 2: I did not.
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  Speaker 1: I gave it one listen through. And I and I
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  Speaker 1: we've already talked a bit at length about Carli Ray
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps the youth not the problem with carl Ray,
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  Speaker 1: but there's like a kind of lass. There's a lack
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  Speaker 1: of like something to grip onto with her, Like it's like,
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  Speaker 1: where's the personality, where's the show womanship? Yeah? Yes, what's
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  Speaker 1: anchoring all of this together other than like like lovely
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  Speaker 1: pop music? And it's the same problem. She just writes
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  Speaker 1: too many songs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did prolific. Well did you see those videos
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  Speaker 2: of her performing in New York last week where she
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  Speaker 2: like cut the train of her dress off on stage
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  Speaker 2: and then it got rained out and so she did
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  Speaker 2: a show I think at Le Puissan Rouge after and
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  Speaker 2: like people seem to be living that's cool. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that I would go see her in concert, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather just listen to the songs Kiki. I much
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  Speaker 2: more enjoyed when Charlene and the folks over at Casa
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  Speaker 2: Dieva used to do carly Fest. That was to me
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  Speaker 2: the best way to see quote unque Carli rad Jebson live,
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  Speaker 2: which is Charlene through drag well Yes, through Charlene well
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  Speaker 2: Y and on a lot of acid. The carly Fest
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  Speaker 2: was probably during her Emotion era, which was the best.
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  Speaker 2: It was emotion and like the Emotion B side.
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  Speaker 1: I just like she writes such lovely pop songs, but
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  Speaker 1: she just I just think she writes too many. And
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  Speaker 1: at this point we have an A side and a
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  Speaker 1: B site to every single album, and I do feel
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: like at least a third of them, if not more,
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  Speaker 1: could just never exist in no really remember when Yes
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  Speaker 1: spend time honing the songs that do work really really well,
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  Speaker 1: the songs that say something. Because with her, I've seen
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  Speaker 1: her in concert two or three times, and she has
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  Speaker 1: a great show and she's a lovely vocalist, but she
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing anchoring the performance together. She just kind of
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  Speaker 1: like runs around on stage and is cute and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little damn she diva.
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  Speaker 2: She's not a diva diva, she's a Betty Who. I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't say that. That's kind of rude to Carly, No,
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  Speaker 2: that is, and also rude to Betty who she she fulfilled. No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay with who. But speaking of B sides, I
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  Speaker 2: saw a movie yesterday that is basically like a B
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  Speaker 2: side of Dracula.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh wait, you kind of mentioned this to me
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  Speaker 1: on the phone. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I saw this movie called The Last Voyage of
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  Speaker 2: the Demeter, and it is based on this part in
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  Speaker 2: the novel Dracula bram Stoker's Dracula, where Dracula is coming
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  Speaker 2: over to London from Transylvania on board this ship named
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  Speaker 2: to the Demeter, named the Demeter, and in the book, well,
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: because a lot of Dracula is an epistolatory novel and
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  Speaker 2: it's told through letters and journals and stuff. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: so this part of the novel is the captain's log
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  Speaker 2: on the ship talking about how there's weird stuff going
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  Speaker 2: on board and then the crew members are dying and
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So this movie is about that and
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  Speaker 2: uses those captain's logs as the framework of the story.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like this small part of the Dracula story
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  Speaker 2: that we've never really seen in any of the adaptations before.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. I think it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually good. They say it.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't scary at all, Like they this Dracula is very monstrous,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's sort of, you know, different adaptations of Dracula
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  Speaker 2: play around with like how much of a monster he
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  Speaker 2: is versus how much of a man he is and
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  Speaker 2: like something like you know, Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula kind
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  Speaker 2: of does both, and in this one it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: he's we're catching him at the in between state when
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  Speaker 2: he's like kind of getting ready to pose as a
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  Speaker 2: human again and like be the more seductive Dracula that
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  Speaker 2: we kind of know as a culture. But he's basically
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  Speaker 2: like a like a sort of no Swaratu vibe, like
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  Speaker 2: bat creature on this ship, picking the sailors off one
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  Speaker 2: by one, and you just see too much of him
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  Speaker 2: for it to be effectively scary. There was only one
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  Speaker 2: moment in the movie where I sort of was like, huh,
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  Speaker 2: I was in the theater with two other people. We
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  Speaker 2: were the only ones seeing it.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what theater was it?
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  Speaker 2: Regal Essex. Okay, and yeah, I mean it was a
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  Speaker 2: good time. I think if you like Dracula, if you
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  Speaker 2: like spooky movies, you would enjoy It's a good sort
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  Speaker 2: of you know, slow entree into spooky season. And funnily enough,
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  Speaker 2: this time last year we had another sort of off
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  Speaker 2: brand Dracula movie, which was The Invitation, which was a
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  Speaker 2: more romantic vampire movie that ended up weirdly being a
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  Speaker 2: dract movie.
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  Speaker 1: Did you like that better? I?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, probably, Okay, I need to rewatch it.
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  Speaker 1: The Demeter is it? Demeter is like the goddess of spring.
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  Speaker 2: Demeter, Demeter is mother. She is the goddess of Spring
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  Speaker 2: and the harvest.
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  Speaker 1: Did that have a thematic link nor? Not really? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Second question, do you have like a favorite adaptation of Dracula?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the Well, it's either Guy. It's either the
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  Speaker 2: Buffy episode Buffy Versus Dracula, or but no, it's Francis
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  Speaker 2: Ford Coppola is Dracula. It is Guy. What's his name?
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  Speaker 2: Gary Oldman, Gary Oldman, Gary Oldman. It's the most the guy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's the most romantic telling of Dracula. It's
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  Speaker 2: so lurid and outrageous, and it plays very fast and
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  Speaker 2: loose with the Dracula mythology. It's so visually arresting. I
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  Speaker 2: only saw it for the first time a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 2: but now it's one of my things that I have
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  Speaker 2: to watch every Spooky season. Maybe I'll host like a
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  Speaker 2: Dracula Night at my house soon and watch it. As
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  Speaker 2: you were saying, I was thinking to myself, time for
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  Speaker 2: a Dracula episode, Like I think we did a vampire
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  Speaker 2: did a vampire episode, but maybe specifically Dracula.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, according to your TikTok algorithm, Spooky
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  Speaker 1: Season is coming out Spookie.
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  Speaker 2: Season, even though it's literally it's absolutely already here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you saw a second movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So the other movie I saw was Passages, which
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  Speaker 2: is a new sort of sexy gay film about a
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: gay couple. One of them is Ben Wishaw, who was
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  Speaker 2: cute in the the Daniel Craig Bond movies.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Right, this is the iris Ax movie I remember.
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  Speaker 2: And they're this gay couple. One of them is an
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  Speaker 2: artist of some kind, the other one is a director.
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  Speaker 2: And the director meets this woman on one of his films,
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  Speaker 2: fucks her because they have an open relationship, and then
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  Speaker 2: falls in love with her and basically like destroys, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like ruins his whole life to be with her.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it's like funny and like they're like
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  Speaker 2: going back and forth, and I didn't like it. I
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  Speaker 2: also was in the midst of a mental breakdown when
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: I saw it, so I don't know. I still think
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have liked it had that not been true.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was very sexy. I think a
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: lot of the sort of tricks the director tried to
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: use to you know, frame the movie and make it
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  Speaker 2: visually interesting, I did not really appreciate. Like there was
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  Speaker 2: one scene where the couple's talking to each other and
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: like one of them his backs to the camera and
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: his body is covering the other ones, so you can't
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  Speaker 2: see either of their faces, and they're having this very
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: intense conversation, and like I get what they were trying
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: to do with that, but then like the dialogue is
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  Speaker 2: not written well to justify not being able to see
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  Speaker 2: their faces, and I just thought that was bad. And
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: the sex scenes were not very sexy, even though like
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  Speaker 2: they're all very pretty attractive, and I didn't think it
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: was funny, but everyone else seemed to, so I think
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  Speaker 2: that was just so, that was a that was a
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  Speaker 2: me thing. So yeah, you know, I might go see it.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Wait, will it be streaming somewhere eventually?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Probably soon because it's it's a movie movie, so it'll
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  Speaker 2: be streaming immediate. It'll be streaming very soon.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I have some very very
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: sad news as I've been making budget cuts.
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  Speaker 2: No, don't say it, frand.
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  Speaker 1: Did I did discontinue my AMC stubs for warning? No, friend,
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  Speaker 1: I am sorry to call. I'm sorry. It's like twenty
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  Speaker 1: bucks a month and there are no good movies coming
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  Speaker 1: out for the rest of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I just can't well, there might be no movies
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  Speaker 2: coming out for the rest of the year, because that's.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm trying, That's what I'm saying. So it's like,
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  Speaker 1: why would I pay for this? Like I saw Barbie
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and I will see Barbie one more time before my
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  Speaker 1: membership goes out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe that.
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  Speaker 1: It's really sad. I'm not going to see Oppenheimer period.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay. I don't think you would like it. I
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: almost saw it again this weekend, but it's just three
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: hours is very very long. Yeah, I wonder when we're
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: just going to run out of movies. But you know
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: what we're not going to run out of is takes.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So let's talk about whatever our main episode is about,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm not sure which which episode this will.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Far it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So this week, this past week, I was
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: in the grips of a truly horrifying, depressive episode. I'm
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: doing a little better now, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, the eyes closed like gripping like yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the things I share that to say
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  Speaker 2: that one of the ways that I coped with that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: was looking for things in my life that were comforting,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and I was very lucky to have friends that were
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: thinking the same thing. So last week, when I was
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: just totally like in the eye of a tornado, bottoming out,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: bottoming out, like truly bottoming out, like in the in
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: the in the in the worst way, Fran invited me
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: over to her house and took very lovely care of me,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and one of the things she suggested was that we
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: watch a couple episodes of Buffy because she knows it's
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: my favorite TV show and it was such a good
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: tool to get me outside of myself a little bit,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and like remind myself that there are things my life
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: that I love and also like get to share them
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: with someone, And so I continued the premise of this show. Yes,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I continued to do that throughout the week. I also
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: watched Twister starring Helen Hunt, which is another like very
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: comforting movie from my child.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: One of your favorites. I've never seen it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And then the other night I watched Garden State, which
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: is one of one of my favorite movies, and I
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: find it so soothing and comforting. It's like a warm hug.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's we're talking about comfort watches today. This.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is something that is really being
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: talked about in culture over the past couple of years,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: like and definitely in the age of streaming Netflix post
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: years and years now. Yes, because you know, a lot
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: of people want to just watch the same things over
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and over again. I'm not really that type of person.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I have things that I return to annually, Like I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a big When it's spooky season, I watch these movies.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I watch these episodes of my favorite TV shows. When
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it's the second it's November, I am watching the first
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: two and a half seasons of Gilmore Girls, and then
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: moving on. That's but I don't really do like and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: always on comfort watch. Same, but there are moments when
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: it is very necessary when the white noise of a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: TV show or a movie that you know so well
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: and love so much episode just like wraps around you
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: like a blanket and lulls you to sleep, or like
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a slanket.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Don't you have a slanket somewhere to feel with your farts?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's that's my Salama Hiah compression. Thirty Rock is definitely
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a comfort watch. I think when Rose and I were
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: kind of thinking about the topic of this episode, you know, I,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like Rose, also don't really have like an always on
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: show that I will just watch whenever I don't know
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: what to watch. I have like a few kind of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: things like that, But for the most part, you and
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I can definitely identify ones that are on the macro level,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: something that everybody returns to, which are like Friends, the Office,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: thirty Rock. Those are things that people will just there's
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: billions of minutes that have been streamed of those things.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Side that, yes that the writers, well I mean the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: pre I mean the sitcom writers. Maybe I don't know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: but like the writers are not getting residuals for that
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: is my point. But I am not like a friend's girly.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not really an off fisk curly. I used to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: be a thirty rock curly and therefore an arrested development, really,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and so I would have those shows quote unquote always
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: on in the boom of streaming in college.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I did that with Parks and Rec.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Parks and Rec is also another one of those comfort watches.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: But personally so you mentioned Buffy, you also mentioned a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: few films. For me. My comfort watches are like Freaks
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and Geeks. Currently it's Malcolm the Middle, which now I've
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: watched seven seasons in you know, a few weeks. I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: love that fucking show.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And then I've never watched it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know if you'll I mean, you would
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: like No, I wouldn't, but I would so violent. It's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: really violent.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Malcolm in the Middle, Yes, No, but it has kids
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: in it. No, but the.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Kids are played by adults. Ah, well, maybe maybe we'll
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we'll do a little another comfort watch trade zuse moment.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But Deep is also one of the the next time
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you're depressed, which will be like you know, in two
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: days probably Veep is also I think a comfort watch
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people. That is another one where
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: it's like, if I don't know what to watch, I'll
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: watch that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Oh I I did realize, Like the closest thing I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: have to and always on comfort watch is Sex and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the City. I'm basically always watching Sex and the City.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not I'm not really ever doing like a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: full beginning to end watch through because at any at
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: any no, no, no, it's more just that at any
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: given moment, I'm like, let me watch that run of
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: episodes in season Let like, let me watch Carrie's Affair
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: with Big, Let me watch you know, Carrie and Aiden
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: part two. Let me watch Carrie and Petrowski.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Let me watch that string of episodes where they do
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a bunch of problematic things like four episodes.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Or like I'm gonna watch when Samantha was a lesbian,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: or I'm going to watch a couple of random episodes
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: from last season one.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Sex and the City is it for me as well?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Sex and the City. It's just it's if I don't
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: know what to watch, you better believe I'm turning on.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Sex and the City. One that is I didn't even
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: write that down, but that is an always on watch
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, there's something about comfort shows that I think,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: as you said, it has a kind of numbing quality
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: or kind of like I need to shut my brain
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: off and fall asleep kind of quality. But that's not
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: necessarily am that's not reflective of like the quality of
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the thing we're watching. It's reflective of the number of
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: times we've watched it, which is like, I don't know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a commendment, you know. That's like, I think something that's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: really effective, even about something like Friends, which we've talked
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: about before with Tommy Dorfman, Like even that show, a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: show that feels so excruciatingly normal and basic and overdone,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: still has a lasting, rewatchable power that most shows don't have,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and so we have to give it to them. But
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what Like, So Buffy is like one
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: of your like kind of comfort watches. Do you do
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you have like a memory of to like returning to
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: one of these things at a time where you really
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: needed it. I mean you kind of started it off
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with that. I feel like personally, in terms of movies,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: it's like Moonstruck or Catstone Dance or Hercules.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Those are the.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Three, the Holy Trinity and I have Moonstruck has found
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: me at my darkest times, like I will. I have
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: purchased it on Amazon or whatever the fuck, so I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: can watch it whenever I need. And I will watch
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that movie or Catstone Dance whenever I'm like I'm feeling
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: down and I don't know what to do with my life.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: The power of film.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe the power of film. Yeah, I there definitely are
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: movies that like, there are some movies that I love
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: that if I'm too sad, I don't want to watch
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: them because I don't want them to be sort of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: tinged by that sadness. Like there are some comforting things
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: that I only want, like when I'm in a good mood,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Like Marie Antoinette is one of my favorite movies, But
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I never want to watch it if I'm feeling too
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: down because I don't want that to like ruin the experience.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I only want to watch that when I'm sort of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: like lazy but feeling good and or like sort of
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: like feeling on wee but in a sort of like melancholy,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: like lovely.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Like nostalgic way. Yeah, yeah, I think that there, it
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: is nostalgic. I think comfort watches are at the end
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: of the day nostalgic. You don't. Comfort watches can't exist
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: out of like a contemporary cannon. They have to come
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: from like five or ten or fifteen years ago. Yeah,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: are there Do you have a comfort watch that like
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I really don't know about because I you know, I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: mentioned Malkoe in the middle, but like, is there something
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: where it's like I would totally I mean, Buffy honestly
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was one of them. Yeah, you kind of inducted me.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: What did you think of the Buffy episodes that we watched? So,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: so we watched Halloween from season two, which I usually
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: only watch in October, but since Spooky season has started
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: so early this year, it felt appropriate, and I also
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: thought it was good for you to see like an
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: episode that is was almost like cartoonish in its distilling
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: of the essence of what Buffy as a TV show
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: was during the high school years, specifically like very Monster
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of the Week, everyone is sort of giving like the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: most like caricature version of themselves. And then we also
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: watched on the other hand, we watched one of the
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: best episodes of the show and one of the one
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: of the most artful episodes, which was Hush from four amazing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Are you gag?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I was gag? Can you describe that episode? Okay?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: So Hush is an episode of Buffy. It takes place
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: during season four when Buffy is in college, in which
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a group of demons come to town. Really scary, really scary,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: really well done, come to town. They're definitely gay, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: they steal everyone's voices so that because hearing a human
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: voice will kill them. And while everyone is voiceless, they
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: go around at night and cut people's hearts out, and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: they need seven hearts and they need to take seven,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and they might take yours. I know the whole rhyme
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: by heart.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I was gagged. That was an extremely artful episode of TV.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I could have watched Buffy with you all day.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I think I love that though, so happy truly, And
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I will be honest and say, like, if you weren't
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: sitting there, the experience of watching it is not really
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the same, which is kind of why our show exists, right,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Like things are enriched by way of your ability to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: see them through someone else's eyes, especially in a time
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of need or a time of ward, Like this is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: exactly what we both want to watch right now.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Niss, you know. What I noticed was that you are
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: a very on your phone at all times person when
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: when TV is on. But when we were watching Hush,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you were glued to the screen. I think away, Well,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I think part of it is that because no one
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: was talking, you like had to pay attention too. But
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: you seemed very engrossed in the episode.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I was, I really was, And I also just wanted
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to give it devoted attention because I haven't really consumed Buffy.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, honestly if I like lied in our
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: episode with Evan Ruskatz, but I think I said I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: watched the whole first season. I didn't. I knew it
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was I watched, like I think I told you before
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the record, but I lied on Mike, But I definitely
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: did not watch the whole first season, like I still
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: have thought. And you are not a kind of season
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: one Stan, You're you're you think.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: No, it's kind of something that you have to get
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: through to the good stuff.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you need the anchor of what is developed
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in season one to enjoy some of the payoffs when
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you maybe feel it really finds its groove in season two.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are some iconic moments in season one,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: but it is more foundational than anything. Very similar to
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: another comfort watch that we've talked about, Parks and Rec.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Because the first season of Parks and Rec is bad,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and they very clearly it's not funny. They very clearly
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: just had it. I figured out what the tone of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the show was yet, and they really figured it out
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: in season two, and then I think, especially in season three,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: once they ditched that guy who Anne dated at the beginning,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: that straight guy. I haven't. I used to watch Parks
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: and rec All the time, and I never watch it anymore.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Actually I did watch it recently when I was home
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and it was on TV. I mean, that's another very
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: specific kind of comfort watch, is just on if you're
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: at your parents' house and you're watching their cable on
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: a huge TV, and it's like, oh, six episodes of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Parks and Recreation are on right now, or oh when
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: when I was home this most recent time, my mom
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and I had gotten home from dinner and were laying
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: in bed and Golden Girls was on. Gold We watched
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: like four episodes of Golden Girls. I think that honestly,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: after our Golden Girls episode, it definitely became a comfort
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: watch for me. I think it also for you, Like
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: we talked a lot about the actual feeling of watching
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: that show and how it just immediately feels comforting or nostalgic,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: as if you've already watched every episode, even though I hadn't.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Girls it is a comfort watch for me. But Girls
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: is one where I'm still at the stage where I'm like,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I don't watch isolated episodes of it. I have only
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: now watched it through a couple times in them in
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: a couple of recent years. There are a few episodes
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that I can pick out, like the beach House episode.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Rewatch the episode where they do coke, you know, like
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: those are fun to watch like with people like on vacation.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that can be very comforting, sort of in
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the same way that that Sex and the City can.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I am almost done with my Malcolm in the Middle
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: rewatch a show that I have like seen every episode
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: zillions of time, and I'm trying to think of what
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to rewatch next because I am going to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: binge something since I am I have to stay off
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: my foot and at home.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I really think with fall coming up, you should watch
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls because you haven't.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could watch that without you, though,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I think I would need you to doula the experience.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you need to just
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you need to just jump in.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Well, the other ones on my docket were Wanda Vision,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: which I have never rewatched. I also was thinking about
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: rewatching Breaking Bad.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: No Babe, but no, no, no, no, no, you're you're
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: you're you're an radial No no sorry.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, and then I will yeah no,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And then now I'm considering rewatching Girls. That's actually sounds
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: really enticing to me. I've never watched it a second
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: time all the way through, but uh, look, I I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: love I think that there's something I'm about comfort watches
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: where at a certain point you've watched so many hours
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of this show or of this movie, where the characters
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: their belief systems, they're like desires, what they go through
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: is like in your bloodstream, and so when you're watching this,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you understand the stakes more than the average viewer because
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you're just like, I'm so in this. I felt like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that when I was rewatching Malcolm in the Middle, because
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a show about
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the widest possible suburban family. You know, that's like dysfunctional
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: sitcom hijinks like teenage like you know, hood lamentous and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: like it's it's so average, and yet I became emotional
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and reactive and like so invested in what are really
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: really you know, nondescript characters and plotlines because I've watched
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: it seventeen times and I understand innately they're the character's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: desires more because.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Of that, well, I think that these these comfort watches
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: almost become like fairy tales or like bedtime stories. You know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it's like these these like tropy, well trodden, well worn
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: fables that we know by heart, but we still want
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to hear again and again.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Wait, have you ever watched maccol in the Middle? Never? Never, Never? Never?
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe I will make you watch it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's something about it, about its violence
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and about Lois the mom that really appeal to you,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: because it's so absurdist and extreme, like the characters, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the characters are all like godless heathens and beholden to
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: their like supreme id, like they just make decisions based
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: on what they want in exactly that moment, instead of
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: thinking about the ramifications or whether it affects anybody else,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and that's so fun to watch. I love watching characters
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that just like fuck up over and over and over
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: again and never get what they want.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I mean saying, that's why I love Sex and the City.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, exactly, yeah yeah, and that's why
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I hate and just like that and just like that
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: will never be a comfort watch. No, even though you
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: haven't you rewatched the first I.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Rewatched the first season in the lead up to season two,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: but it was in no way comforting. It actually was discomforting.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: We do, yeah, really discomforting. I mean they're obviously, you know,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: seasonal comfort watches, like I was saying, like the things
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that I have to watch every Halloween, every Thanksgiving. Like
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: we've talked about this before the way, I think that
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Coyote Ugly is a Thanksgiving movie and I watch it
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: every year on Thanksgiving along with Blair Waldorf Must Pie,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: which I think is the superior Gossip Girl Thanksgiving episode.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I know everyone loves the one with what You Say song,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: but I think Blair Waldorf Must Pie.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Outsold Blair Waldorf Must Pie.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: In the summer, I love watching Mamma Mia Okay because
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: it just amazing.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It's a summer movie.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It is. It is a summer movie.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: What are my seasonal watches?
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Are you like a Charlie Brown girl? Were you ever?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Did you ever do that? I did? I mean I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: grew a great pumpkin.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Charlie Brown grew up Christian and therefore, yeah, we watched
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: all of those every We watch all the Charlie Brown movies,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: like every year for Christmas and Thanksgiving, and I think
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: there's an Easter one and there's I don't know, but
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: not so much anymore.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Do you have any do you have any comforting things
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that are like disturbing but like you find them comforting.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing an answer from you in there somewhere. That's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Malcolm in the Middle is sometimes
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: very disturbing, Like sometimes the actual plot of Malcolm in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the Middle is like what the fuck? But that is
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: just like I think in a late nineties early hots
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: sitcom thing like honestly, actually with a lot of comfort
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: watches early aughtsness is a cultural thing that all of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: these are beholden to. We're in. It's just like you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: see through or you have to just like not see
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the stuff that's like problematic or weird or doesn't make
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: sense in like twenty twenty three or like whatever, because
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that's just the time. But also it's just like those
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: shows are operating on a whole different plane of reality.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Like if if we launched Sex, and if we launched
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Not Second, if we launch like Malcolm in the Middle
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: today in twenty twenty three, people would be like what,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it wouldn't make esthetic
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: sense in conversation with the rest of things right now.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And I think what I'm getting out, honestly is like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I miss sitcoms. I miss situational irony sitcoms where it's
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: like truly slapstick, all physical comedy and all of like
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the plot rounding out to this like perfect resolution where
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: like the thing that was not supposed to happen happened,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and it's exactly you know, stopping the character from getting
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the thing, you know what I mean.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why they're perfect as a comfort watch, because
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: that's why sitcoms are great and why they exist in
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: syndication is because you can just tune in for half
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: an hour and the entire storyline will be resolved within
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes and you don't really have to know much
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: going into it, and you don't really have to think
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: about much coming out of it, right, Okay, wait, so
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: what's your disturbing humfort watch? I well, you know, I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: like horror, so there are some scary movies that I
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: do find very comforting. I rewatched The Ring recently. That
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: was one that I used to watch a lot as
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a teenager. And what I've only watched that once. It's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: so good, we should maybe do a Ring episode for Halloween.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I have since so uh, I experienced some trauma like
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: seven years ago, and in the aftermath, my friend and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I watched the Sweeney Todd movie with Johnny Depp, So
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I like, weirdly find that. I mean, I love I
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: find Sweeney Todd comforting in general, and it's like, you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: obviously very dark, but like that movie specifically is very
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: soothing to me because it was at that time. You know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: what's really soothing to me that is reminiscent of Sweeney
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Todd is things.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: That are anchored by little I sticking it to the man,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: like unlikely hero circumnavigating all the things to get to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: where they are, usually in some sort of kind of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: revenge plotline. I think are very satisfying, which is why
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I loves me. You taught oh revenge, Revenge. We were
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: talking about this last night.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Kill Bill. Yes, I watched it this week. Big comfort
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: movie for me, and it's so bloody.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I'll watch kill Bill.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Two with you. Let's do that this week. Yeah, let's
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Let's do it right now, Let's.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Do it because. Oh and maybe we should do a
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: kill Bill episode.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love virgins.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Let us know if you want that, I said.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: To you on the phone yesterday. I feel like I
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: need to do some sort of actual crystal clear hierarchy.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: But I do feel like kill Bill one and two
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: is in my favorite films of all time top ten lists.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I do think we should maybe on Instagram or maybe
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: this could be a Patreon thing release or release ju job.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: We should we should put out like our top ten
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: movies TV show Lisa.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe that'll be a Patriotics pat exclusive. Okay, okay, yeah,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: we should do that. I love lists.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, what about comfort books?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Do you? Oh?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Are you a big rereader?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Not anymore, but I have read the Wizard of Oz
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: many times throughout my childhood and teenage years, Like the
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: original Frank album Wizard of Oz.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I was like that with the movie The Wizard of Oz.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I actually just watched it recently.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: What about you.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, i'vey read every Harry Potter books so many times. Oh,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and I used to be a
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: big rereader. I've re read American Gods by Neil Gaiman,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: which is one of my favorite books many times. Actually
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: most of his books. I've reread, American Gods, the entirety
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: of Sandman Never Wear Like. Those are kind of the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: three that I've reread a lot. And American Gods. Have
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: actually listened to the audiobook twice.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: It was it was a book.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I used to read it once a year and it
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: was like very ritualistic and I always got something new
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: from it every time I read it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Didn't they make a TV show or something?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: It kind of I only watched the first season. I've
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: heard that it fell off as American Gods is about
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: the sort of pantheon of gods from a bunch of
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: different cultures and religions who are falling out of power
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: because new gods of sort of technology and industrialization have
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: risen up and there is a war between them over
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: sort of the energy and attention of humans and there's
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: this ex Khan who is caught in the middle of
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: this battle. That sounds amazing, it's incredible, it's you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: it's there's a reason why I read it so many times.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: And it's a it's an actual book. It's not a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: graphic novel. No.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Sandman is a graphic novel and is like similar. It's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: it's like was Sandman was came before American Gods, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you can see Neil Gaiman working up to a lot
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of the stuff that he explored in American Gods through Sandman.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: H Oh, what about comfort music? What? What's the album?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: What are the albums that you listen to when you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: need like a good cry, or you need to feel
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: good or like to feel in your body or whatever.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, tegn in Sarah, maybe teaken in Sarah. I have
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a seasonal comfort music listen, which is the album Metals
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: by Feist, which is so love. Metals is so good
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and it's singed in my brain in memory association with
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like the most probably one of my darkest depressive episodes
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and periods in college when it came out, and it's
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: so imbued with a lot of that Actually around this
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: around the same time, you'd be like that year. The
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: year before Kanye West, my Beautiful Dark Twist Fantasy also
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: came out. That was something that I have like core
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: memory association with, Like if any song from that album played,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I would be shot back in time to exactly where
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I was when it came out, in the emotional state
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I was in. I like music that makes me feel
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like that, But I feel like no, in terms of
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like things that I'll actually really revisit these days, I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, do you? What would your answer be?
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Mine are like horses by Patti Smith in Rainbows,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the Radiohead album, the Into the Woods Broadway revival recording
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: with Vanessa Williams.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a that is a very you answer.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: And the Garden State soundtrack. Oh, and the Marie Antoinette soundtrack,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: which I am dying to own on vinyl, but it's
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: so rare that I can only find it for like
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars on eBay.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: That's crazy because it used to be stocked down at
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the Urban Outfitters coffee table.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Like, it's so hard to find out, and I have
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: come so close to just going for it a couple
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: of times, but it's really hard to justify spending that
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: much on a record, but it is like my favorite
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: soundtrack of all time.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, okay, I'm I'm. I opened a playlist on
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: my phone that has like kind of my personal list
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: of like no skip albums, of which Metals is on there.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: In terms of like music that shoots me back to
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a certain period in time, it's definitely Frank Ocean's Channel Orange,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: my first boyfriend in Chicago, my first job living in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the city alone, like I have every time any song
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: from that album clicks on, That's where I'm sent. Casey
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Musgrave's Golden Hour a very specific period of my life.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: The Miseducation of Lauren Hill, I think feels like nostalgia,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: feels like this warmth is something that I could flip
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: on at any moment and I will feel home or
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: comforted or like good in the music. But yeah, no,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: those I think like I have like a kind of
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: it is about memory. It's it's literally only about memory.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You Know. What's a kind of recent one that is
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: now definitely ingrained in my mind for ever is Fetch
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the Bolt Cutters.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Oh so good, but it's also so triggering early COVID.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's exactly where it sends me.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, what about comfort food? What are your comfort food?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Oh? I love that. My comfort foods are a rotisserie
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: chicken sandwich with cheddar, cheese, avocado, and lime on a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: two dollars bagette which used to be a one dollar bagette.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: But pious are crazy these days, Am I right? Ladies? Yeah?
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And I would say a burrito, but there's there are
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: no good burritos in New York. There's the fruit fly again.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: She's coming back for the comfort food conversation.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Current comfort food is our blood?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I yah know, I definitely. I don't know that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: That's the first thing came to mind.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: What about you McDonald's two cheeseburger meal and a four
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: piece chicken nugget? Uh, spaghetti and meatballs okay? Uh low
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: maine and an egg roll?
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Loa, maee, that's a really good one.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: My mom's mac and cheese from when I was a
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: kid that was baked in the oven with ground beef
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: in it and breadcrumbs on top.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Any Thanksgiving food? Oh yeah, I love Thanksgiving.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean stuffing. I love stuffing, string being castrole,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: very comforting.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Sweet potato like no colonialism, but like Thanksgiving food yea.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Honestly, for me, I think comforting food. Comfort food is
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: like all savory, like I love sweets, but I am
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: more of a savory person. And yeah, like a like
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: a starchy savory food is the most comforting.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I need starch, I need bread, I need glucose. Sorry, glucose, goddess.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I don't find cheese very comforting. I love cheese.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I love cheese, but it's comfort and liking something wait
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: are different.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Things, duh. In actuality, since I was a kid, one
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: of my number one foods, if not the number one
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: comfort food that I will eat for dinner all the time,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: is like an extravagant cheese board. I will put together
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: multiple cheeses, meats like fresh fruit, like dried fruits, like nuts,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: three different kinds of crackers for myself and eat it
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: for dinner.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Girl dinner, see girl dinner. See. For me, comfort food
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: has to be something that someone else made for me
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: or I purchased, so it can't. The only exception is
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. There are some nights
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: when I'm feeling some type of way and all I
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: want to eat is just a peanut, butter and jelly sandwich.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I will eat it standing up in my kitchen and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: it will just take me back to this like childhood
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: place where everything is simple and safe and I don't
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: cut the crust off, and it has to be grape
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: jelly okay, and it has to be whole we bread.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I also am and creamy peanut butter. I'm also like
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a whole weet bread purists. I'm also creamy peanut butter purist.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I did not grow up on grape jelly. We were
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: in apricot and strawberry family. We were big on preserves.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: A PBNJ is also something where it's just like if
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: it hits, if that's my craving, if that's what's in
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the fridge. It's so satisfying and I personally, please, this
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: is a safe space. I know to say this, I
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: must dunk it in milk. I must dunk Yeah, no,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I get the milk. I don't not the dunking so much,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: but but having a glass of milk to go with it, yes, nice.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: What to you is the most comforting place in the world.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: It could be like a city, It could be like
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: a piece of furniture. It could be like a location
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: like where is where do you feel the most like
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: swaddled by comfort.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sure a lot of people's answers
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: is like my mom's couch and like blah blah blah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and it's like that's just not my tar like home,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: like Chicago home does not bring me comfort in any way. Sorry, parents,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: they already know this, but I will say, because it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of, a vacation share
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: on Fire Island, and that's only like this is only
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: our second annual time doing it, but that will be
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I think true for me through my adulthood, is like
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I will always want like a beach house vacation share
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of my friends, and honestly, it doesn't
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: have to be Fire Island, but I think it is
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Fire Island because we're doing this every year now.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, forever forever. But I think mine is kind of
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: a Mine is probably my grandparents country club, the buffet there.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: That's good. That's good, and then also my mom's bed, okay,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: but then also the backseat of a car that's full
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: of people I love, Like it doesn't matter what car
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: like where we're going, but that is very comforting.
• 52:02
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  Speaker 2: let's start with Red White and Royal Blue.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Let's start with So I.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Read this, you know, during like peak COVID in LA,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: because I had heard it was basically fan fiction if
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: it was a novel, and I'd heard people be like, oh,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: it's definitely Harry Potter fan fiction with the names changed,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: or like, it's definitely this fan fiction with the name change.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: What it actually is the girls seem to have concluded,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: is it is Andrew Garfield, Jesse whatever, social network, Jesse
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Eisenberg social network, real person fan fiction. No, because Casey
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: mcquinston was apparently very involved in that fandom on Tumblr,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and so that is the that is the lore. That is.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I hate that it also like doesn't there's nothing. As
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: someone who read the book and watched the movie, I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: see zero connection really other than the fact there that
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: they're like two guys. Yeah, anyway, but that's fine.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: So I liked the book a.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Lot, and you prostlytized it to your two best friends.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I made you read it. I made Ryan read it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: One of you I won't say who found it very
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: sexually excited.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I also thought, oh I just gave it away. I
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: also found it very sexy. I thought the sex scenes
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: were written so well, even though they were eclipsey ya,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: they were still good eclipsey y A sex scenes.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. And then you know Casey mcquinston's second novel, One
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Last Stop, I did not like. I didn't read their
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: young adult book.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Didn't read Sarah Wheeler.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I did not read Sarah Wheeler. And then the news
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: of this movie came out and I was. I thought
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: that was great, because you know, there is absolutely right
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: now a cottage industry of big screen romance novel adaptations,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: because we are in this huge boom of romance novels
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: thanks to TikTok, thanks to e readers, thanks to book
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Tube and books to gram. You know, romance thanks to
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Rose Codpiece Reppers. Romance rules right now in the book world,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: and that's what everyone wants. And that's why when you, like,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: a couple of months ago, I went to the Barnes
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: and Noble in the town where I grew up, and
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: they have totally reorganized the store, and like the pride
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: of place is the romance section. You know, it's like
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the Colleen Hoover of it all and like that kind
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: of shit. So I was not surprised that this movie
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: was going to get made. I was, I guess, not
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: surprised when it was gonna be an Amazon movie.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: When you read it, it's like a movie. It's cinematic,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: very cinematic, reads like a movie. It was destined to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: be a film. I'm I was, yeah, so excited, still
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: was excited.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: And so so Fran and I actually saw a very
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: early screening of the movie back in a.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Brol May a while.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Ago, a while ago, so it it's been a while
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: for Frans since we saw it. I did watch it
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: again last night because we've been we've been embargoed. I
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: watched it again last night because A I wanted to
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: see it again, like I had just planned on watching
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: it again anyway, and also I wanted to see if
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: anything had changed from our first viewing of it, which
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if i'd be allowed to say
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: if anything had changed, but nothing really did, and I.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Was like, they were like placeholders.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just wanted to kind of refresh my
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: memory for this conversation. So top line from when we
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: saw the movie a couple months ago. I think we
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: both liked it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I walked out of it. Let me tell you, Okay,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: let's let's be real, Rose. We walked out of this
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: theater and I had a lot of thoughts and I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: just kind of, without really getting much of your take,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: like outside in the middle of midtown, just started like
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: rattling them all off to you. Yeah, and you were like, girl,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: it's not that deep. And then you kind of pushed
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: me a little back about some things that I was
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: feeling that were maybe negative, and just like also being like,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: what what about this? Why wasn't this this and this
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and this? And I felt like a lot of what
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I was actually feeling was a supremely fan based attachment
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to the text of the book and how good that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: book felt, and me expecting the film to not. I'm not,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not one of those girls that needs
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: like a very accurate book adaptation, but I do need
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: the movie to feel as good as the book. I
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: want to come out of the theater feeling some of
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: the same things, which I know is not a very
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: realistic expectation.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: The book is both comforting and exciting.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Sexy and cute. Yeah, comfort ance is so many different things.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: I think comforting because it relies on so many well
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: trodden tropes that we love, because it feels like fan
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: fiction of something, like there's something about it that feels familiar,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: and yet it is a very exciting love story. It's
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: like a love story that feels like what would have
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: been about straight people ten years ago, and it's about
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: queer people and that's great. Like there's a very diverse
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: cast of characters. It like the stuff that happens in
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: it is kind of thrilling, like seeing a storyline about
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: like public outing about famous queer people. It's interesting. Top line.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I really liked it, Yeah, but I do have problems
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: with it, and a lot of those problems are about
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Those problems kind of fall into two categories. They're about
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: either the things that were changed or just completely cut
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: from adapting the novel. And then they're about the quality
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: of the movie, not really about the performances so much
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: or the writing. Really it's more technical than that.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And top line, for me, it was kind of some
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: it was some of the reverse, Like I felt like
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I walked out of it being like I don't love
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: how a lot of the writing was adapted. I don't
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: know if the right jokes were picked, I don't know
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: if the tone was totally nailed, And I also took
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: issue with some of the acting. But I all in
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: all was like, this movie delivers what it promises, and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I have to accept it for what it is, which
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: is very determinedly in what I would refer to as
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: a love Simon genre of media.