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Embracing Masculinity — with Braeden Sorbo · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to UK column. I'm Ben Rubin and I
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Speaker 1: am delighted today to be speaking to Braiden Sorbo, who
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Speaker 1: is an actor and author and cultural commentator, and he's
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Speaker 1: just released a new book, his second book, I believe,
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Speaker 1: called Embrace Masculinity, Lifting Men Up in a World that
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Speaker 1: pushes them down. Braden, welcome to UK column.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. And there it is
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Speaker 2: right there. I got it ready to go, very well prepared.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic And I should also just say you might possibly
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Speaker 1: be and I need to check this the youngest person
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Speaker 1: that we've ever interviewed on in UK column. We're not
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Speaker 1: normally speaking to people who were born in this millennium
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Speaker 1: versus the last millennium, So congratulations on that front.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. I was at two thousand
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Speaker 2: and one, baby, so I barely make that cutoff. But
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here.
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Speaker 1: Fantastic. So your new book is called in Brice Masculinity,
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Speaker 1: Lifting men Up in a world that pushes them down.
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Speaker 1: How are men being pushed down?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's essentially a worldly thing and it kind of
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Speaker 2: breaks down into the societies. But as we know, the
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Speaker 2: culture is downstream of the media and the media currently
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Speaker 2: and has been for a long time portraying men as weak, useless, pathetic,
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Speaker 2: bumbling idiots who are basically just good for background noise
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Speaker 2: and not much else. And so we've seen this slow
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Speaker 2: progression throughout the past century or two of this degradation
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Speaker 2: of morals and this degradation of the family as a whole,
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Speaker 2: and what it's led us to is the world that
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Speaker 2: we live in today. You know, I don't know the
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Speaker 2: exact statistics for the UK, but in America, ten percent
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Speaker 2: of women in my generation Generation Z are on OnlyFans
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Speaker 2: for example, which is crazy. Eighteen to twenty five year
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Speaker 2: olds were pulled and forty five percent of them these
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Speaker 2: are all men. So forty five percent of men between
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Speaker 2: the ages of eighteen twenty five have never approached a
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Speaker 2: woman in real life. Like, there's consequences to the things
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Speaker 2: that had started, you know, fifty sixty years ago with
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Speaker 2: the whole free love sexual revolution is having its consequences
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Speaker 2: played out in real time in front of us. And
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Speaker 2: so the book came about because I saw a need
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Speaker 2: for something right. You have a lot of those guys
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Speaker 2: like Jordan Peterson or Nick Fretis or those guys who
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Speaker 2: are married and they're religious, and they have like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you guys can pick yourself up by your bootstraps and
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Speaker 2: you've got this and just be men. And people in
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Speaker 2: my generation are going, that's great. You have no idea
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Speaker 2: what it's like, though, and so I'd always wished that
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Speaker 2: somebody my age had something for guys my age, and
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Speaker 2: that's where the inspiration for the book came from. It
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Speaker 2: is a handbook. It is a guide for what I
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Speaker 2: like to call godly masculinity, which is the only masculinity,
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Speaker 2: because without a set moral compass, masculinity devolves into the
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Speaker 2: red pill movement of sleep with as many people as
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Speaker 2: you can and dominate as many women as you can,
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Speaker 2: and without a set moral standard, who is to criticize that?
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Speaker 2: And so the book essentially puts that standard in place.
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Speaker 2: It acts, as like I said, a guide for young men,
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Speaker 2: but also a checklist for young women, with the goal
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Speaker 2: of aiding in discernment. Say a girl is talking to
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Speaker 2: a guy, this is something that she should be using
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Speaker 2: as a tool to see does this man meet the criteria?
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Speaker 1: Fascinating. So you talked a lot there about the kind
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Speaker 1: of attack coming downstream of culture downstream of the media.
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Speaker 1: So we're thinking, you know, advertising, cinema, television, the internet, newspapers,
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing. What do you think is driving
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Speaker 1: that this is deliberate and coordinated?
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Speaker 2: For you, yes it is. It is a coordinated attack.
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Speaker 2: So the second chapter of the book is called the
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Speaker 2: War between the Patriarchies. And I say, it's not a
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Speaker 2: matter of if a man is going to be ruling,
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Speaker 2: but whether or not he will be good or bad.
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Speaker 2: And so I liken it back to the time of
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Speaker 2: the Exodus, during that period in the Bible, where the
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Speaker 2: Israelites were, you know, slaves to the pharaoh, and so
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Speaker 2: the pharaoh to do what all bad patriarchs will do
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Speaker 2: and take advantage. And so there are three ways primarily
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Speaker 2: that we will see this destruction play out in society
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Speaker 2: against the culture at large, but specifically men in particular.
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Speaker 2: And it will be first a use because men have strength,
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Speaker 2: so use that strength. Build things like the pyramids or
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Speaker 2: today build skyscrapers. Make the men useful. Then if the
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Speaker 2: men become rowdy, do the next thing, and that is
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Speaker 2: subjugate them, like with Rome, red and circuses. If people
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Speaker 2: are happy, they're not going to revolt. We have the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, we have the NBA, we have the all
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Speaker 2: of these different things to keep us happy. We have
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Speaker 2: celebrities doing you know, all these crazy things, and wow,
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Speaker 2: this is what we should be paying attention to. And
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Speaker 2: so people aren't necessarily paying attention to the things that
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Speaker 2: inherently matter. And lastly, if the first two don't work,
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Speaker 2: the bad rulers will resort to eliminating it will resort
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Speaker 2: to killing the men. Now we're seeing that third stage
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Speaker 2: take place in today twenty twenty five and at people
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Speaker 2: are probably hearing that, going what, no one's getting killed, Like,
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Speaker 2: no one's doing that today? Well, yes, but it's more
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Speaker 2: of a spiritual killing in the sense of we have
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Speaker 2: a rampant problem of degradation of morals in society, and
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Speaker 2: when that problem reaches the levels that it has, people
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Speaker 2: are dead in their spirit and if they are not
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Speaker 2: willing to take a stand regardless, then you have essentially
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Speaker 2: killed them. So pornography is rampant in the United States
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Speaker 2: and the rest of the world for that matter. And
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Speaker 2: what it does from a scientific standpoint, not even from
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Speaker 2: a moralistic or religious standpoint, but what it does from
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Speaker 2: a scientific standpoint is it releases endorphins into your brain,
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Speaker 2: so you receive these feel good chemicals such as dopamine
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Speaker 2: that need this heightened response more and more and more.
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Speaker 2: The more you receive it, the more you crave it,
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Speaker 2: but the more you need to receive that same level
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Speaker 2: of satisfaction. It is why we live in a society
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Speaker 2: where everyone needs instant satisfaction. They need success immediately or
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Speaker 2: they think that what they have done is a failure.
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Speaker 2: It's why twenty years ago, when you asked a kid
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Speaker 2: what do you want to be when you grew up?
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Speaker 2: They had an answer for you. I want to be
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Speaker 2: a policeman, a door or a lawyer, an engineer, a politician,
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Speaker 2: a firefighter, an astronaut, whatever you know. And so today
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Speaker 2: you ask a kid what they want to be, and
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Speaker 2: they go, I want to be famous. But they don't
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Speaker 2: even know what famous is. They just know that social
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Speaker 2: media has portrayed this idea of vanity but success. At
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Speaker 2: the same time, they see these celebrities posting highlight reels
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Speaker 2: online and they go, this is what I want, but
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Speaker 2: they don't truly know what this is. And so what
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Speaker 2: we have essentially done is we have killed in spirit
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Speaker 2: the drive that pushed the world to succeed. Right, young
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Speaker 2: men used to be told, if you graduate, whether it
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Speaker 2: be in Europe or America, or Australia or any country continent,
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Speaker 2: you name it. Young men were essentially told, if you
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Speaker 2: get a degree, if you work hard, if you fight,
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Speaker 2: you will be rewarded. What will that look like? It
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Speaker 2: could be financial compensation, It could be you find a
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Speaker 2: wife and kids. I would like to think I speak
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Speaker 2: for most men when I say the pinnacle of success
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Speaker 2: is having a wife and a kid that love you,
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Speaker 2: you know, or multiple kids that love you like that
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Speaker 2: is that is all that most men want in real life. C. S.
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Speaker 2: Lewis wrote that the job of the homemaker is the
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Speaker 2: most important job in the world because every other job
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Speaker 2: is created just to supplement the homemaker. Right that every
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Speaker 2: other job is made to serve that job of the homemaker.
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Speaker 2: And so for a man, your success was not measured
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Speaker 2: by your financial status, or how big your muscles were,
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Speaker 2: or how you know, how many cars you had, or
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Speaker 2: the size of the house you lived in. It was
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Speaker 2: measured by your family. Is your legacy, the thing that's
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Speaker 2: going to outlive you, because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 2: the money's not going into the grave with me. You know,
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Speaker 2: my name comes with me, and if I did a
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Speaker 2: good job as a husband and a father, my name
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Speaker 2: lives on through my family. So men are no longer
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Speaker 2: assured that guarantee, which, to be fair, it was never
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Speaker 2: a guarantee to begin with, but it was at least
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Speaker 2: it was more serious, right, Young guys had an assurance
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Speaker 2: that something would come from their hard work. Whereas today
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Speaker 2: that assure and has no longer exists. And so what
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Speaker 2: we're seeing is young men are refusing to grow up.
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Speaker 2: I call them the Peter pan Neverland lost boys, like
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Speaker 2: they just would rather remain teenagers, you know, perpetually, because
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Speaker 2: why would you grow up? It's a hard life out there.
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Speaker 2: The world is cruel and if you don't have even
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Speaker 2: a basic guarantee of well, you know, you work hard,
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Speaker 2: you can make enough money to support yourself and potentially
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Speaker 2: a family, what are you going to work for? And
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Speaker 2: so I like to say that my generation has the
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Speaker 2: worst battle that any generation has had ever because we
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Speaker 2: don't have any assurance. The only assurance that we would
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Speaker 2: have is that potentially the generations that come after us
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Speaker 2: might get it back. And that's unfortunately, that's going to
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Speaker 2: have to be enough.
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Speaker 1: I love that cs Lewis quote that you just rolled
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Speaker 1: out there. I'm not going to get it exactly right,
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Speaker 1: but this idea that civilization was essentially created to support
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Speaker 1: the nuclear family, I think people completely forget that right.
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Speaker 1: It's a really important point. I need to go and
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Speaker 1: go and read into that, and I do. I'm a
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Speaker 1: big fan of C. S. Lewis. Let me just wind
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Speaker 1: you back right to the start of what you you
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Speaker 1: were saying there. There's a whole bunch of things that
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Speaker 1: you pulled up. The first one is you're actually led
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Speaker 1: off with the idea that essentially what we're looking at
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Speaker 1: is a war between the patriarchies, that there is going
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Speaker 1: to be a patriarchy. The question is whether it's a
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Speaker 1: good or a bad one. Now, that is an interesting
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Speaker 1: point to land on because actually it runs completely counter
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Speaker 1: to the current dominant cultural and intellectual narrative that's being pushed,
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Speaker 1: which is the patriarchy itself. However you might want to
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Speaker 1: define that needs to be torn down and replaced essentially,
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Speaker 1: But you're saying that you don't think that that's even
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Speaker 1: possible to achieve exact.
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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, it's blatantly unpossible. There's always going to be
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Speaker 2: a man in charge. I know that people are going
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Speaker 2: to be mad at that. That's, unfortunately, how the universe
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Speaker 2: was created. That does not mean that men are better
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Speaker 2: than women. I hate that. I have to clarify that, unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: but I have gotten so many vicious attacks from people going,
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Speaker 2: you must just hate everybody. I got to do it.
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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous. Jesus Christ is still God, and he
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Speaker 2: submitted to the will of the Father, not because he
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Speaker 2: was less than God, but because there was a divine
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Speaker 2: order instituted at the beginning of the universe. And no
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Speaker 2: matter how hard you want to fight it, it's going
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Speaker 2: to exist. So whether or not you like it, it
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Speaker 2: will happen. Right. I like to say, there's a great
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Speaker 2: quote that Eve was not taken from Adam's foot so
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Speaker 2: that he would trample over her, or from his head
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Speaker 2: so that she would lord it over him. She was
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Speaker 2: taken from his rib so that she would be equal
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Speaker 2: with him, from next to his heart to be loved
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Speaker 2: by him, and from under his arm to be protected
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Speaker 2: by him. So it is not a matter of supremacy
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Speaker 2: or being better than There is a matter of recognizing
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Speaker 2: that we as humans have certain traits that are ingrained
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Speaker 2: in us genetically that we cannot change, and if we
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Speaker 2: want society to thrive, we have to acknowledge them. Right.
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Speaker 2: I think everyone can look around today and say that
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Speaker 2: the world is pretty messed up in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: and there's a good reason for that. It is because
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Speaker 2: we have destroyed the nuclear Your family.
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Speaker 1: Completely agree, and actually is interesting. We're talking about embracing
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Speaker 1: masculinity in the fact that the world pushes men down,
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Speaker 1: but actually you've spent half the time talking about the
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Speaker 1: attack on women actually and the family as essentially being
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Speaker 1: at the same time an attack on men.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, without a doubt, there was a trend it said
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Speaker 2: that the more quote unquote educated people became, the more
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Speaker 2: miserable they became. And ironically, there's a little bit of
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Speaker 2: truth to that, because ignorance actually is bliss and so
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Speaker 2: I like to say, if ignorance is blissed, then I'm
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Speaker 2: pretty miserable. But I go through all of the data
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Speaker 2: backing all of this up, and what we're noticing is
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Speaker 2: that the world tells men your useless, pathetic, sit down,
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Speaker 2: shut up, don't say anything, and then it tells women
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Speaker 2: go be a girl. Boss, go get a big corporate
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Speaker 2: office job and go do your whatever. And then the
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Speaker 2: women get depressed. And so we have more women on
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Speaker 2: antidepressants or some sort of medication than ever before. It's
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Speaker 2: over fifty percent, and forty percent of men are on
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Speaker 2: a medication as well. So clearly all we're doing is
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Speaker 2: medicating ourselves because we're not happy. And all we need
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Speaker 2: to do to reverse that is realize that the true
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Speaker 2: source of happiness is to acknowledge the roles that we
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Speaker 2: were created for and to live through them in a
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Speaker 2: glorifying way. I mean, I have countless friends my age
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Speaker 2: who are going, Man, what are were we thinking? Like
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Speaker 2: a girl that I know I was just talking to
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Speaker 2: last week at church, she said, he goes Bridon, I
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Speaker 2: went to school. I am now thirty thousand dollars in
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Speaker 2: debt and I have to go sit for eight hours
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Speaker 2: in a cubicle. I don't want to do that. I
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Speaker 2: just want to have a little baby that I can
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Speaker 2: take to Target with me and I'm going. I know
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Speaker 2: that sounds fantastic, and I, as a husband, would be
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Speaker 2: working three jobs to supplement my wife to be able
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Speaker 2: to do that, but not many guys are, and not
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Speaker 2: many women are, and unfortunately, it's going to take something
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Speaker 2: drastic for people to wake up. And I think that
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Speaker 2: drastic measure is coming because all signs are pointing to it.
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Speaker 1: So who does this benefit? Then this a tackle masculinity
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't sound like it's benefiting anyone. It's certainly
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Speaker 1: not benefiting women, you've said, and I agree with this.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them are paid to be quite miserable
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Speaker 1: with the way things are going, and it's certainly not
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Speaker 1: benefiting men. So who is actually benefiting from this whole situation?
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Speaker 2: The people in charge, that's it. It's it's the rulers
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Speaker 2: in charge who want to have their subjects be destroyed
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Speaker 2: so that they can sit there and reap the rewards
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Speaker 2: of other people's labor. And the problem that I have
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Speaker 2: with that is they are taking advantage and they have
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Speaker 2: taken advantage of the good nature of many people. Right,
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Speaker 2: So the government decided, you know what, we need everyone
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Speaker 2: working so that we can have the kids in schools
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Speaker 2: so that we can control the narrative, so that we
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Speaker 2: can brainwash and tell the people what to think and
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Speaker 2: how to think. It. The school system was overwhelmed by
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Speaker 2: this idea of becoming a wage slow. Essentially, I believe,
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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, it was either Rockefeller or a
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Speaker 2: roths Child who had created essentially the modern day school system,
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Speaker 2: which creates workers. And so people go and they learn
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Speaker 2: how to work, but not think for themselves. And so
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Speaker 2: they go and sit in an office for six to
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Speaker 2: eight hours ten hours a day, and they become sick.
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Speaker 2: They're not outside, they're not eating healthy, they're not living.
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Speaker 2: They're sitting in a chair under fluorescent lighting for eons,
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Speaker 2: for forty fifty sixty hours a week, and so they
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Speaker 2: become unhealthy and then they need medication to supplement to
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Speaker 2: fix themselves. And so what we realize is that people
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Speaker 2: aren't inherently broken, but they become broken by the system
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Speaker 2: that we're living in. And the reason why they're being
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Speaker 2: destroyed is because it is easier to maintain control when
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Speaker 2: society doesn't have a reason or doesn't have the power
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Speaker 2: to get rid of you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, the only people who
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Speaker 1: benefit in this situation is an overbearing state and international
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Speaker 1: capital investors ultimately, is what we're looking at here. Who
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Speaker 1: I think it was the Rockefellers, Actually you said Rockefeller
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Speaker 1: or Rothschild I'm pretty sure it was the Rockefellers, and also,
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Speaker 1: as I understand it, they were very heavily involved in
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Speaker 1: establishing the whole feminist movement one hundred years ago as well. Right,
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Speaker 1: so this seems been coordinated and funded and progressed over
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Speaker 1: a very long period of time. So we talked a
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Speaker 1: bit about what's pushing men down. But the question then
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Speaker 1: is how do we lift them up? What do we
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Speaker 1: need to do well.
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of keys and tools in the
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Speaker 2: book that I use specifically to help with this, and
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Speaker 2: a few of them are one, getting off of social media,
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Speaker 2: which is ironic to say because I have two million
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Speaker 2: followers and I post every day like this, it is
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Speaker 2: my job. But at the same time it's terrible and miserable,
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Speaker 2: and I don't recommend it for people. Two to find
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Speaker 2: good community, a lot of people don't understand how valuable
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Speaker 2: it is to have friends. Like Proverbs six seven says
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Speaker 2: as iron trepreends are in sol one man Trepen's brother, Right,
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Speaker 2: there is a great power that comes in unity and
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Speaker 2: discussion and growth and fraternity, and people don't realize that. Right.
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Speaker 2: And then next a mentor, it's crucial to have someone
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Speaker 2: who is a little bit older than you, who has
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Speaker 2: gone through the experiences that you might be going through,
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Speaker 2: who can offer advice. You don't have to take every
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Speaker 2: single thing they say at face value and one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent do it. But the benefits far outweigh the cons
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Speaker 2: when it comes to having a mentor so I also
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Speaker 2: say one of the biggest things is being physically strong.
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Speaker 2: What we notice is that people who are not physically
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Speaker 2: strong enough to defend themselves become agreeable, and that is
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Speaker 2: just an evolutionary tactic that people have discovered. It is,
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Speaker 2: if you are not strong enough to protect yourself should
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Speaker 2: confrontation happen, you become the type of person to avoid
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Speaker 2: confrontation at all costs, and so men cannot truly think
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Speaker 2: for themselves unless they actually prove it by becoming physically powerful.
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Speaker 2: This does not mean, you know, going around and punching
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Speaker 2: people or you know, but it means being able to
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Speaker 2: if someone were to confront you on a stance, being
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Speaker 2: able to defend that stance. And the benefit to that
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Speaker 2: is when you become physically strong. Science has also proven
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Speaker 2: that your mental capacity increases as well, and so we
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Speaker 2: have the stereotype of the big dumb jock, because it's
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Speaker 2: not true. The people who created that stereotype don't want
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Speaker 2: you to be physically capable. It doesn't mean that you
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Speaker 2: have to be lifting five hundred pounds or squatting six
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Speaker 2: hundred pounds, you know, benching three fifteen. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: that you have to do that. But just being active
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Speaker 2: in any sense will improve your brain function. Right, when
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Speaker 2: we sit like this in a chair for ten hours
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Speaker 2: a day, what happens is we start chest breathing. Our
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Speaker 2: breaths become shallow, and that is unhealthy compared to how
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Speaker 2: we were naturally meant to breathe through our diaphragm, through
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Speaker 2: our stomach. And so sitting forever, not moving, not getting exercise,
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Speaker 2: leads you down this path where you are more prone
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Speaker 2: to regular illnesses colds, flus, sickness of all kinds. You
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Speaker 2: are more prone to critical thinking drops, where you are
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Speaker 2: less likely to use your rational thinking and your critical
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Speaker 2: thinking because if you're sitting hunched over all the time,
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Speaker 2: what happens is eventually your brain gets less oxygen and
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Speaker 2: you don't have as much power to it. And so
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Speaker 2: what people need to realize is it can be as
18:22
Speaker 2: simple as going for a walk you know, that helps
18:25
Speaker 2: after dinner, help the food digest, rather than sit down
18:28
Speaker 2: and watch TV for hours and hours a day after
18:30
Speaker 2: sitting for hours in an office or working. It's not
18:33
Speaker 2: a matter of, you know, you have to go run
18:35
Speaker 2: marathons or deadlift like I said, five hundred pounds. It's
18:37
Speaker 2: just a matter of being active. And what will happen
18:39
Speaker 2: is you will see brain function increases and improves, as
18:44
Speaker 2: well as critical thinking and the ability to defend yourself.
18:49
Speaker 2: It all falls in line. And that's what people have
18:52
Speaker 2: failed to see this entire time.
18:54
Speaker 1: It's best strength, isn't it. Yeah. And actually one of
18:58
Speaker 1: the interesting things use the term girl bus earlier, and
19:02
Speaker 1: you see that a lot that kind of that mentality.
19:05
Speaker 1: And what I notice is a lot of women who
19:10
Speaker 1: are putting themselves forward in the professional domain and whatever
19:13
Speaker 1: else it might be. They seem to think that they
19:15
Speaker 1: need to behave more like men. But then their interpretation
19:21
Speaker 1: of what behaving like a man is is actually being
19:23
Speaker 1: really aggressive. And actually men aren't aggressive, right. It's about
19:29
Speaker 1: having power and potential, but having that under control. You know,
19:33
Speaker 1: when people become aggressive and lose control, that's not really
19:37
Speaker 1: a masculine trait. You know, that's actually a sign of weakness.
19:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, that is exactly correct. We see.
19:44
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that the feminist movement told women go
19:48
Speaker 2: be like men, and then a lot of women, not all,
19:50
Speaker 2: but a lot of women who are part of the
19:52
Speaker 2: feminist movement interpreted it as be rude and domineering. Like
19:56
Speaker 2: it's funny because the men who are rude and domineering
19:59
Speaker 2: are the least mascul out of any man that I've
20:01
Speaker 2: ever met. Right, the tenets of masculinity or responsibility, protection, provision.
20:06
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean I'm going to go out and protect
20:08
Speaker 2: everybody and provide for everybody. It means I need to
20:10
Speaker 2: find one wife to provide and protect for. But by
20:14
Speaker 2: and large, it's just a being a caring individual. And
20:18
Speaker 2: for men and for women that looks differently. But when
20:21
Speaker 2: we try to emulate how that looks for the other
20:24
Speaker 2: opposite sex, we do it wrong. Most of the time.
20:27
Speaker 2: If I were to try to act like a woman,
20:29
Speaker 2: I would fail. So I'm not a woman. I have
20:32
Speaker 2: the chromosomes. What was XX? I think for men and
20:36
Speaker 2: ex wife? For women, I don't. I always get them flipped.
20:38
Speaker 2: But right, so I have the I have the capacity
20:41
Speaker 2: to act like a man. My sister has the capacity
20:44
Speaker 2: to act like a woman. Nothing wrong with either of those.
20:47
Speaker 2: We just have to understand that we have inherent unique
20:50
Speaker 2: strengths and faults, and if we play into our strengths
20:53
Speaker 2: rather than our faults, everything is better.
20:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. Now, you talked a bit earlier
20:59
Speaker 1: on about the day degradation of morals and that kind
21:02
Speaker 1: of feeding into this assault on masculinity. And you've also
21:07
Speaker 1: made a number of biblical references and spiritual references in
21:11
Speaker 1: the conversation. If I've lost count of the amount of
21:13
Speaker 1: times that you've made biblical references, which is great to hear,
21:19
Speaker 1: and also for someone coming from the UK.
21:22
Speaker 2: It's.
21:25
Speaker 1: A bit less common for us, actually, you know, we've
21:27
Speaker 1: lost touch with that side of our society a lot
21:30
Speaker 1: more than our American brothers and sisters have. How important
21:36
Speaker 1: has that been for you in terms of combating this
21:40
Speaker 1: degradation and morals, like do you see that as a
21:44
Speaker 1: crucial route towards this defense and this uplifting of masculinity.
21:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. Without a moral foundation to set the path to
21:55
Speaker 2: guide men, their natural instincts is to dominate in have
22:00
Speaker 2: as many women pregnant as possible, right, Because if I'm
22:04
Speaker 2: a man, my goal is to have my lifeline, my
22:06
Speaker 2: blood pass on, so I need to have as many
22:08
Speaker 2: children as possible. And the moral side of that is
22:11
Speaker 2: the Bible saying, no, you get one wife and you
22:14
Speaker 2: have kids with her, and you love her forever. Right.
22:16
Speaker 2: And so it is the cornerstone, it is the foundation
22:22
Speaker 2: to this entire concept of improving society. And thankfully, what
22:27
Speaker 2: we're seeing is young men are returning to it in droves.
22:31
Speaker 2: Catholic and Orthodox churches, the traditional churches from two thousand
22:34
Speaker 2: years ago have received the largest uptick in people joining,
22:39
Speaker 2: primarily young men, that they've ever had in the recent
22:43
Speaker 2: time in this millennium, right because you know, the non
22:48
Speaker 2: traditional Protestant denominations aren't doing it. We're seeing what's happening
22:52
Speaker 2: in the UK, where I just covered the lady who
22:55
Speaker 2: was arrested for praying silently outside of an abortion clinic.
22:58
Speaker 2: There was a British Army vet who was fined for
23:02
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. They just stood there with a
23:04
Speaker 2: sign that said I'm here to talk if you want
23:06
Speaker 2: help or something, and they're getting arrested for it. And
23:08
Speaker 2: so guys in America are seeing that going okay, no, no, no, no, no,
23:11
Speaker 2: we can't let that happen over here. That's crazy. And
23:15
Speaker 2: so this kind of return to traditional Christianity almost is
23:22
Speaker 2: the fuel that is stoking the fire underneath these young men,
23:25
Speaker 2: and it is the moral compass. I'll quote another visascripture,
23:28
Speaker 2: Romans won While says that the laws written in our hearts,
23:31
Speaker 2: we all have an inherent idea of right and wrong.
23:34
Speaker 2: But if we are left to decipher it for ourselves,
23:37
Speaker 2: we can see how that clearly doesn't work. I mean,
23:39
Speaker 2: everyone goes, well, I know that because I'm guided by no,
23:42
Speaker 2: you're not. No, no, you're not. If you were, you
23:44
Speaker 2: wouldn't be so crazy, like you wouldn't be so off
23:48
Speaker 2: the rails that we have to correct you, you know.
23:51
Speaker 2: And so it's the world in which we live. I mean,
23:53
Speaker 2: my dad was raised Lutheran, I was raised Evangelical, non denominational,
23:57
Speaker 2: and I just got confirmed last Easter because I was
23:59
Speaker 2: so sick and tired of going to quote unquote church,
24:02
Speaker 2: which I just consider an organization at this point, those
24:05
Speaker 2: non denominational churches, I mean where they have a rock
24:09
Speaker 2: concert followed by a ted talk that makes you feel
24:11
Speaker 2: good because it's vaguely about something that you could potentially
24:14
Speaker 2: relate to. There's no growth there, and a lot of
24:16
Speaker 2: guys are feeling the same. They don't want to have
24:19
Speaker 2: just a feel good relationship. They want a relationship, and
24:23
Speaker 2: relationships have rules. Buddy, and go punch him in the
24:27
Speaker 2: face when I feel like it. That's not a relationship, right.
24:31
Speaker 2: I am friends with him and he is friends with
24:33
Speaker 2: me because we respect each other, We want each other
24:36
Speaker 2: to succeed, We have what's best in mind for each other.
24:39
Speaker 2: You cannot set the terms of a relationship with God
24:43
Speaker 2: and go God, I want this, that and the other thing.
24:46
Speaker 2: And in return, I'm willing to go sing for you
24:49
Speaker 2: on Sunday. That's what I've did. That's what you'll get
24:51
Speaker 2: out of me. Yeah, you're gonna get laughed at. You
24:55
Speaker 2: don't get to just say, you know, I've decided this
24:57
Speaker 2: is how I want to have a relationship with you.
24:59
Speaker 2: Those rules of already been established, and so young men
25:01
Speaker 2: are realizing that the rules were established for our own
25:05
Speaker 2: benefit to build up. And so whether or not someone
25:10
Speaker 2: is religious, they inherently have to realize that there is
25:13
Speaker 2: a power and a good that comes from this, and
25:18
Speaker 2: there are certainly people who will take advantage. I don't
25:20
Speaker 2: speak in generalizations like just everyone all the time. There
25:24
Speaker 2: are certainly people who will take advantage. However, by and large,
25:28
Speaker 2: when people are truly following, when people are truly understanding,
25:32
Speaker 2: they will have a deeper appreciation and a deeper love
25:37
Speaker 2: for the life, and those around.
25:38
Speaker 1: Them completely agree with you. And it's fascinating to watch
25:42
Speaker 1: this resurgence of young men getting back into a spiritual
25:47
Speaker 1: life and going back into the church in this country
25:49
Speaker 1: as well. Actually, I think I saw some numbers the
25:51
Speaker 1: other day that said that the attendance in certain congregations
25:56
Speaker 1: has gone up by facts of four or something like
25:58
Speaker 1: that over the past twelve eighteen months. I mean, this
26:00
Speaker 1: is really quite phenomenal stuff. You just mentioned a minute
26:05
Speaker 1: ago that you were homeschooled. Could you tell us a
26:07
Speaker 1: little bit about that. Actually, my colleague Childs spoke to
26:11
Speaker 1: your mother about this last week, so it'd be good
26:13
Speaker 1: to get your take on it. And is this something
26:15
Speaker 1: that you'd consider for your own children in the future.
26:18
Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, I have no other option for schooling.
26:21
Speaker 2: Homeschooling is the only way to go. Children are entrusted
26:24
Speaker 2: to their parents, not to the state. It's not the
26:25
Speaker 2: state's responsibility to raise the kids, but we feel like
26:29
Speaker 2: it is because we've been told that. And so I
26:31
Speaker 2: was homeschool from second grade all the way through graduation,
26:33
Speaker 2: and I was absolutely blessed to have that. I had
26:36
Speaker 2: been traveling a lot with my parents being who they were,
26:39
Speaker 2: living on movie sets and things like that, and so
26:40
Speaker 2: it just made sense to homeschool. And at the same time,
26:43
Speaker 2: my mom unintentionally realized that it was the greatest blessing
26:47
Speaker 2: that you can give to a kid, because what kid
26:50
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be friends with their parents? What kid
26:53
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be around their parents, especially when they're younger. Now,
26:56
Speaker 2: when they get older, everyone goes, oh, well, they just
26:57
Speaker 2: rebel as teenagers. My siblings and I didn't necessarily early rebel.
27:01
Speaker 2: We didn't hate our parents, you know. So it is
27:03
Speaker 2: a weird phenomenon that we're seeing where the school essentially
27:06
Speaker 2: teaches kids to not respect the parents, because subconsciously, if
27:09
Speaker 2: you're a five, six, seven eight year old and you're
27:10
Speaker 2: going to school for eight hours a day and then
27:12
Speaker 2: seeing your parent parent if they don't make you take
27:14
Speaker 2: the bus, and then you hang out at dinner for
27:16
Speaker 2: a little bit then you go to your room and
27:17
Speaker 2: play games. You're spending more time with teachers than you
27:19
Speaker 2: are with your parents, So of course you're going to
27:20
Speaker 2: reject their authority and pick the teacher's authority over them.
27:24
Speaker 2: Of course you're going to rebel when you're a teenager.
27:26
Speaker 2: It has been drilled into your little mind since you
27:28
Speaker 2: were a child. Obviously it's going to be self destructive.
27:32
Speaker 2: We're reaping the fruits of it now, we are reaping
27:34
Speaker 2: what we sew. Everyone goes, well, where did it go wrong?
27:37
Speaker 2: It went wrong a century ago. That It's that simple,
27:42
Speaker 2: and if we want to fix it, we have to
27:44
Speaker 2: get out of schools. We have to go work out,
27:47
Speaker 2: we have to return to morals. Right, These are all
27:49
Speaker 2: hard things because it requires sacrifice on our parts. It's
27:53
Speaker 2: so much easier as a parent. Don't get me wrong.
27:55
Speaker 2: I'm well aware the American dream is dead and we
27:57
Speaker 2: have killed it. Right. I can't on a single income
28:01
Speaker 2: of a teacher support a family of five. My dad
28:04
Speaker 2: was the fourth of five kids, and his dad was
28:07
Speaker 2: a middle school teacher, and they lived. They were fine, right.
28:09
Speaker 2: It wasn't like they were living in you know, abject
28:11
Speaker 2: poverty or complete wealth. But they were successful enough to
28:16
Speaker 2: raise five kids that were healthy. When families got smaller,
28:21
Speaker 2: houses got bigger, right, And we live in this world
28:24
Speaker 2: now where you need essentially two incomes to raise a family.
28:30
Speaker 2: And that was intentional so that the family unit would
28:34
Speaker 2: not be strong, because the family unit is the strongest thing.
28:36
Speaker 2: If I have a reason to live, which is my
28:37
Speaker 2: family and kids, then I also have a reason to die.
28:40
Speaker 2: And if I have a reason to die, I'm willing
28:42
Speaker 2: to fight my family, my wife and kids. Then I
28:44
Speaker 2: am a dangerous threat to any bad person who might
28:48
Speaker 2: try to come my way. And so the bad people
28:50
Speaker 2: who wanted to come my way were like, let's just
28:52
Speaker 2: take apart the reason he has to live and then
28:54
Speaker 2: we can placate him, medicate him, you know whatever. And so, yes,
28:58
Speaker 2: homeschooling has been the greatest thing and I wish more
29:00
Speaker 2: people would do it. Thankfully. With the pandemic, we saw
29:02
Speaker 2: the homeschooling in America. I'm not sure how it was
29:05
Speaker 2: over in the UK, but the homeschooling numbers in America
29:08
Speaker 2: went from like two million families to five million families.
29:11
Speaker 2: That overdoubled, which is fantastic, and it's continuing to grow.
29:14
Speaker 2: And because it's continuing to grow. More and more resources
29:16
Speaker 2: are available. It's not just in the seventies where it
29:19
Speaker 2: was sitting at home and your mom is sort of
29:20
Speaker 2: trying to teach you what she remembers of math. There's
29:23
Speaker 2: entire curriculums available, there are things put in place to
29:27
Speaker 2: aid families in this endeavor, so it's easier than it
29:30
Speaker 2: has ever been.
29:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was certainly a trend towards homeschooling, and that's
29:36
Speaker 1: definitely going up in this country. And then as much
29:40
Speaker 1: as it's going up, the state is attempting to restrict
29:44
Speaker 1: it and to control it as much as possible. And
29:50
Speaker 1: I'd actually be really interested in your take on that.
29:52
Speaker 1: I saw that you were a cpack a few months ago.
29:55
Speaker 1: How do you see things developing politically around this issue
29:58
Speaker 1: in the US at the moment.
30:00
Speaker 2: Well, politically, we had the largest divide between the two
30:03
Speaker 2: genders that we've ever had. Women have typically voted BLU
30:06
Speaker 2: because they're nurturing and compassion and they want to care
30:09
Speaker 2: for people, and the left promotes this idea that they
30:11
Speaker 2: care right, and so they get a lot of the
30:13
Speaker 2: female vote base. However, men have always voted traditionally a
30:17
Speaker 2: little bit darker red. This previous election, young men and
30:20
Speaker 2: young women voted the farthest apart that they ever voted.
30:24
Speaker 2: We have the largest divide in the history of my country,
30:27
Speaker 2: at least when it comes to politics. And I can't
30:29
Speaker 2: see that ending well because if the men want women,
30:32
Speaker 2: they're going to go to where the women are unless
30:34
Speaker 2: they're strong enough to stand, you know, stand like a pillar,
30:38
Speaker 2: steadfast and fight for the values that they believe in.
30:41
Speaker 2: During the polling that was taking place during the twenty
30:43
Speaker 2: twenty four cycle, they ask young men my age, you know,
30:46
Speaker 2: say because I'm twenty three, so say eighteen to twenty
30:48
Speaker 2: five year olds. They ask what's your biggest issues with
30:51
Speaker 2: the election? For a lot of people, it was the economy, right.
30:54
Speaker 2: I want to be able to raise a family, and
30:55
Speaker 2: I can't if my dollar is worthless, keeping inflation down,
30:58
Speaker 2: you know, it is the price of goods and commodities.
31:02
Speaker 2: Rent is expensive. I don't want to rent. I want
31:04
Speaker 2: to be able to buy a house, you know. I
31:06
Speaker 2: don't want to have to go and spend twelve dollars
31:07
Speaker 2: on a dozen egs at the grocery store. That's insane.
31:10
Speaker 2: Gas those things were important to young men. The border
31:13
Speaker 2: making sure that the immigration crisis was put under control,
31:17
Speaker 2: keeping people safe, right, so very altruistic ideas of wanting
31:20
Speaker 2: to be able to take care of their family. When polled,
31:23
Speaker 2: young women the same age eighteen to twenty five set abortion,
31:26
Speaker 2: which inherently is the most selfish thing that a human
31:28
Speaker 2: can do, is to take the life of another human being.
31:30
Speaker 2: And so what we're noticing is this trend where young
31:33
Speaker 2: women have been manipulated into thinking that the most important
31:35
Speaker 2: matter in the world should be what they consider quote
31:39
Speaker 2: unquote healthcare, whereas young men are seeing past that and
31:43
Speaker 2: going hold on, no, no, no, no, no, inflation prices of goods
31:47
Speaker 2: and services border. Therefore, I want to be able to
31:51
Speaker 2: secure a better life. I'm going to vote this way.
31:54
Speaker 2: And the women of being unfortunately pushed in this negati direction,
32:00
Speaker 2: which is nothing but self destructive. There are studies ranging
32:06
Speaker 2: from one in eight women to one in four women
32:08
Speaker 2: have had an abortion, and all of it is so
32:10
Speaker 2: sad because the effects that it has on someone's brain
32:13
Speaker 2: from a scientific standpoint, is nothing but detrimental. And we
32:18
Speaker 2: numb ourselves to this fact through other means, but it
32:23
Speaker 2: doesn't eliminate it. It doesn't fix the problem. All it
32:26
Speaker 2: does is provide a temporary solution and make us feel
32:29
Speaker 2: happy for a moment. And so we have the largest
32:33
Speaker 2: divide that we've ever had before. And yet I still
32:37
Speaker 2: hold out hope and I'm optimistic because the guys in
32:41
Speaker 2: my generation are the first ones to make that stand
32:46
Speaker 2: and they have to continue to dig their heels in
32:48
Speaker 2: and fight back.
32:50
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and to rebuild as well. I mean,
32:54
Speaker 1: you've talked about this assault on the American worker, and
32:56
Speaker 1: it's not just the American worker Whi's the whole Western
32:59
Speaker 1: eco and cultural and sociological system, right, But just relating
33:05
Speaker 1: to the business world and the fact that we need
33:09
Speaker 1: to be able to sustain jobs where people can work
33:13
Speaker 1: and take care of their families, and to do that
33:16
Speaker 1: on single income and you know, not have these situations
33:20
Speaker 1: where it's basically almost impossible to live. Like, what are
33:25
Speaker 1: you seeing on the ground in the US at the
33:27
Speaker 1: moment in terms of an economic revival?
33:30
Speaker 2: Well, I remember I was having a conversation with a
33:31
Speaker 2: friend of mine on Easter, and he's an older gentleman
33:34
Speaker 2: and he was going, well, seventy percent of Americans on
33:36
Speaker 2: a home and I said, but what percentage of those
33:38
Speaker 2: Americans are below the age of forty. You can list
33:42
Speaker 2: these quotes, but the fact of the matter is the
33:44
Speaker 2: majority of my generation is renting, and that is not sustainable. Right.
33:50
Speaker 2: I can't sit there and pay three thousand dollars a
33:53
Speaker 2: month for the rest of my life to rent a
33:54
Speaker 2: little one or two bedroom apartment in Florida, for example,
33:58
Speaker 2: and expect to be able to do at the same
34:00
Speaker 2: time save up enough money to buy a house. That's
34:03
Speaker 2: just not how it works. And so we live in
34:05
Speaker 2: this world now, unfortunately, where it's essentially called a renter's
34:11
Speaker 2: paradise right where you can go rent all you want,
34:14
Speaker 2: but owning is a completely different question. And we, unfortunately,
34:20
Speaker 2: on one hand, we do it to ourselves because we
34:22
Speaker 2: want the nicest car, we want the newest iPhone, we
34:24
Speaker 2: want all these things, and so the prices of things
34:26
Speaker 2: help deplete our bank accounts, so we don't have as
34:28
Speaker 2: much to buy a house. And at the same time,
34:31
Speaker 2: for example, a college graduate would make ten thousand, eleven
34:33
Speaker 2: thousand dollars every single year in nineteen fifty nine. That
34:37
Speaker 2: was the starting salary. If you take into account inflation,
34:41
Speaker 2: that eleven thousand dollars in nineteen fifty nine is worth
34:43
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars today. Today, the college graduate,
34:49
Speaker 2: on average is making sixty to eighty thousand dollars a
34:52
Speaker 2: year if they get a job with their degree, which
34:56
Speaker 2: a lot of companies don't even find. Half of the
34:58
Speaker 2: degree is worth anything anymore. And so if they pick
35:01
Speaker 2: a useful degree that they go into debt for, they
35:04
Speaker 2: can make maybe half to add to three fourths of
35:08
Speaker 2: what a college graduated in nineteen fifty nine was making.
35:11
Speaker 2: But that college graduate in nineteen fifty nine didn't have
35:13
Speaker 2: to buy an iPhone, the cars were not as expensive,
35:16
Speaker 2: the clothes weren't as expensive, the food wasn't as expensive.
35:19
Speaker 2: And so what we've seen is this trend of the
35:22
Speaker 2: prices of everything increasing and the money is not keeping up.
35:25
Speaker 2: We're not it's not even. And so a lot of
35:29
Speaker 2: guys are looking at that, and a lot of people
35:31
Speaker 2: in general, and they're kind of they're very negative about it,
35:37
Speaker 2: which to be fair, it's really easy to do. I
35:40
Speaker 2: myself am negative about it very often, in the sense
35:42
Speaker 2: that if we don't do something about it, we're at
35:44
Speaker 2: the tipping point that every great nation has ever had,
35:46
Speaker 2: where after two hundred and fifty to three hundred years,
35:49
Speaker 2: something happens and they never recover. So if my generation
35:53
Speaker 2: doesn't fix, the society that we're currently in, America will
35:57
Speaker 2: also fail. It won't recover. The great experiment will have flopped.
36:03
Speaker 1: Indeed, Yeah, the signs are certainly there. There are people
36:06
Speaker 1: talking about civilizational collapse right now, and I can certainly
36:09
Speaker 1: understand what they're talking about. I'm just a couple of
36:12
Speaker 1: things to wrap up. Thanks, really enjoying the conversation. The
36:15
Speaker 1: first one is the risk of sounding a little bit cliche.
36:19
Speaker 1: I would like to get your thoughts on Andrew Tate right,
36:23
Speaker 1: because he gets thrown around certainly in this country. Is
36:26
Speaker 1: this kind of this bogeyman that's used to terrorize people
36:31
Speaker 1: in society, and the media constantly reach for him as
36:34
Speaker 1: an example of what masculinity is and how terrifying it is. Like,
36:39
Speaker 1: what's your view on him?
36:41
Speaker 2: Well, technically they're not wrong. His is just a non
36:44
Speaker 2: godly masculinity. So if we don't have a moralistic society,
36:47
Speaker 2: then they can't say what he's doing is wrong. It's
36:50
Speaker 2: that simple. Doesn't mean that I support it, right because
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Speaker 2: I have a moral foundation. I have this little cross
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Speaker 2: around my neck that means something. But if people don't
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Speaker 2: have this, then they can't say anything. And so that's
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Speaker 2: what it boils down to. If there is no moral
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Speaker 2: foundation for society, then you can't say what Andrew Tate
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Speaker 2: does or did was wrong because he was just following
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Speaker 2: his natural masculine instincts, which were to take domination and
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Speaker 2: try to have as many kids with as many women
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Speaker 2: as possible so that his name, his bloodline lives on right.
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Speaker 2: That is inherently the goal of unchecked quote unquote masculinity.
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Speaker 2: But if we have a moral foundation, we could say
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Speaker 2: that is inherently wrong because it is the antithesis of
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Speaker 2: what true masculinity should look like. So I can sit
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Speaker 2: here and go, yeah, that is inappropriate. That is not
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Speaker 2: how men should be acting. But to the people that
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Speaker 2: don't have any moral foundation, sorry, it doesn't really matter
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Speaker 2: what you say. You don't have a set standard for anything.
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Speaker 2: Your standard is what your personal belief is, which means
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Speaker 2: as a flawed human being, because we're all flawed, it's wrong.
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Speaker 2: My standard is something that is greater than me, that's
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Speaker 2: existed for since the dawn of time. My standard is
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Speaker 2: unchanging and immovable. So I can look from my standard
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Speaker 2: and go that's wrong. You can't look from within yourself
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Speaker 2: and go that's wrong without any credibility. And so it
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Speaker 2: really is a fun one because Tristan, the younger brother,
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Speaker 2: is coming to Christ, coming to Christ, which is really interesting.
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Speaker 2: Andrew is still Muslim. He does not want to submit
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Speaker 2: to a higher authority than himself. So it'll be interesting
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Speaker 2: to watch their story develop. I'm curious to see how
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Speaker 2: everything unfolds with them. As far as I'm aware, and
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Speaker 2: you can correct me if I'm wrong, they've been They've
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Speaker 2: been accused, but there have not been formal charges filed.
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Speaker 2: So we still live in the world of innocent until
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Speaker 2: proven guilty. So I'm waiting to see the guilty or
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Speaker 2: innocent verdict officially come out. But as far as I'm aware,
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Speaker 2: they were held up in court for years and there
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Speaker 2: wasn't enough evidence or something like that. And so to
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Speaker 2: that point, what I will say is return to Christ,
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Speaker 2: and we have a moral foundation for society and things
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Speaker 2: like this don't happen anymore.
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Speaker 1: Good answer, now, just a quick question then, forgive my ignorance,
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Speaker 1: But what's that flag you got on the wall behind you?
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Speaker 2: Oh? This one? Let me see if I could turn
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Speaker 2: and show it all. So this is the Betsy Ross
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Speaker 2: thirteen Colonies original flag. But this is an appeal to heaven.
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Speaker 2: And in fact, you're the first person to ask about
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Speaker 2: it on an interview, which makes me so happy. But
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Speaker 2: an appeal to Heaven was a flag flown during the
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Speaker 2: Revolution seventeen seventy five. It was put on and commissioned
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Speaker 2: to be the flag of I believe five or six
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Speaker 2: of the Navy's ships, and essentially the idea behind it
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Speaker 2: was you cannot make an appeal to a man, and
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Speaker 2: so therefore, if you cannot make an appeal to man,
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Speaker 2: you must make an appeal to heaven. And I just
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Speaker 2: love the flag itself. And so I got this custom
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Speaker 2: made by a friend of mine who's a woodworker, who
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Speaker 2: did a fantastic job.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, Okay, very good. So we're right back at the
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Speaker 1: very foundation of the nation, and it feels like a
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Speaker 1: good place for us to wrap up. Actually, so, Branden Sorbo,
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Speaker 1: it's been an absolute pleasure to talk to you. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for taking the time. Author of Embrace Masculinity, lifting men
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is up on Amazon, but I would prefer
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that people will be flocking over there to
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Speaker 1: thanks again, it's been fantastic speaking to you. I've been
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Speaker 1: Ben Rubin for UK column. Thanks for your time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you,