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#695 - CZARFACE Talks The Origin of the Group, MF DOOM, Comics, Tom Hardy, John Cena & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Um, we have got two thirds. Well, really two fourths
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  Speaker 1: of the group.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Shout to Lamar Supreme.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, of Tsar Face in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Esoteric. 7L.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. Thank you. What up, man? Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are, as I would have said when you
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  Speaker 1: first walked in, you guys are of my childhood era
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  Speaker 1: vintage boom bap style. you know, nerdy, nerdy rap.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are like Jedi mind tricks, you know, ideas
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  Speaker 1: and ability. It was like a lot of this.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely, man.
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  Speaker 1: It was, uh, uh, past the raucous era, like right
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  Speaker 1: after we were doing like Mark, Mark echo albums.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We weren't signed to raucous, but we
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  Speaker 2: were in the mix. Yeah. We're trying to keep up
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  Speaker 2: with raucous and, uh, You know, that was a tough task.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys are obviously from Boston.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Which, you know, if you think about Boston, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people don't know, like I think of Guru
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  Speaker 1: when I first think of Boston.
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  Speaker 2: So do I.
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  Speaker 1: But some people think of Benzino.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the Maid Men and all that stuff. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What was it like, though, coming out of Boston, like
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  Speaker 1: I guess during that era of just, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: like the golden era of like, Because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: today's definition, when the kids say underground rap, they mean
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  Speaker 1: Nine Vicious and Playboi Carti.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: The golden era of when there was this hip-hop snob
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  Speaker 1: thing going on. It was like, yo, that's real hip-hop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: The boom bap, the backpack shit versus the commercial shit.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What was it like coming out of Boston during that time, man?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was pretty exciting and challenging at the
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  Speaker 2: same time because we kind of recognized both playing fields.
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  Speaker 2: And we saw what a lot of people were doing
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  Speaker 2: on a major level, commercial level. We knew what we
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  Speaker 2: were doing on an indie level and trying to fine
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  Speaker 2: tune things, but keep it authentic with what we wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do. And I mean, you know, maybe, maybe we
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  Speaker 2: felt a little gatekeepy at that time about what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: from a purist standpoint of what hip hop should be.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: I was a little, so I grew up, I had
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  Speaker 1: a unique perspective on that world because my best friend
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  Speaker 1: since I was three's brother is Ira Science from Dilated Peoples.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So when I was a little kid, like, I went to, like,
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  Speaker 1: the Dilated Peoples, like, platform release show and, like, all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of, so I got to kind of see, like,
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  Speaker 1: but I also, like, grew up, like, loving, like, No
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  Speaker 1: Limit Records.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I very much, like, remember being, like, my transition from, like,
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  Speaker 1: kind of just being, like, like a DMX, Jay-Z, Puff Daddy,
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  Speaker 1: No Limit fan to being, like, a snob.
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  Speaker 2: The gatekeepy dude? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who like looked down on people?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a real period for a time where
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  Speaker 2: I really felt, you know, I was really hooked on
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  Speaker 2: everyone that we grew up with listening to that inspired us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I would not let that go. So that was
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  Speaker 2: like the hallmark of what everything should be like. And
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  Speaker 2: if you deviated that way or this way, you were
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  Speaker 2: fucking up. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like I just remember like there was like a real divide.
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  Speaker 1: Like a specific example that I think was funny was
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  Speaker 1: like I remember when Kanye put freeway and most deaf
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  Speaker 1: on the same song on college dropout. And at the
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  Speaker 1: time it was like weird. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously then like freeway goes on to have like a
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  Speaker 1: rhyme sayers run and like a whole album.
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  Speaker 2: With Jake one.
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  Speaker 1: And like, but back then it was like Jay-Z and
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  Speaker 1: Talib quality felt like, Different planets.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. And then Jay wound up referencing him with
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  Speaker 2: that iconic line.
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  Speaker 1: He did, in Common Sense. Lyrically, I be Talib Kweli,
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  Speaker 1: but it's so crazy. But it's like, now I look
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  Speaker 1: back and I'm just like, damn, I was a dick. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know, we had it good.
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  Speaker 3: We had it good.
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  Speaker 2: We had it good. And I feel like... you know,
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  Speaker 2: speaking for myself, seven L might have a different take.
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  Speaker 2: Cause he, he was DJing in the club. So he
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  Speaker 2: had to play a lot of stuff that everybody knew.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a lot of dope shit there too,
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  Speaker 2: which I might've disregarded in favor of like Scaramanga or
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  Speaker 2: Godfather Don or so, you know, Cenobites, whoever it might be.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I might've missed out on a lot
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  Speaker 2: of music in its prime. That was probably, you know,
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  Speaker 2: something I could have enjoyed if I just loosened up
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  Speaker 2: the straps on my backpack. You know what I'm saying? Um,
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  Speaker 2: You know, when Dipset came out, I was really into Dipset,
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  Speaker 2: and I felt that was a bridge.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bridge for sure. It was definitely a bridge.
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  Speaker 1: They had those soul samples, like Heatmaker's production was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. But, yeah, we came up in that era
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  Speaker 2: looking up to Guru, looking up to RSO, Top Choice Click.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many Boston crews that were doing it before us.
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  Speaker 2: Orange Man. Orange Man, yeah. And, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy because I kind of think, like, I give
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  Speaker 1: Kanye some credit for bridging the two worlds and Dave Chappelle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Chappelle had that cover, that XXL cover, where it was, like,
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  Speaker 1: Dead Prez and Yay, and I think Talib was on there.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say Kanye. But I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: Chappelle show and Kanye helped kind of, like, bridge whatever
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  Speaker 1: commercial in underground was.
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  Speaker 2: At the time. Yeah. Yeah, I think there's something to
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  Speaker 2: be said for that. Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Like, late registration... Or College Dropout had an evidence beat
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  Speaker 1: on there. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I think... When creatives get together, they
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  Speaker 2: know what they have to do. And it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of public perception that might do the separating. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: So is the genesis of you guys working with Deck
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  Speaker 1: speaking real words?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So that was 06? No, that was 90.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that was in the 90s? 99.
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  Speaker 1: 99. Yeah. And that was our first, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: It was definitely our first collaboration with Deck, but it
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  Speaker 2: was this record that kind of made shockwaves within our
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  Speaker 2: camps and circles because we were this indie group and
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  Speaker 2: we were collaborating with Deck from Wu-Tang Clan. And it
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  Speaker 2: caused a lot of... It caused a stir because I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of people were maybe feeling a little like,
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  Speaker 2: why do these guys get to do that? Because the
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  Speaker 2: collaborations weren't so... Yeah, it's a lot harder.
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  Speaker 1: In 99 to get it... Because there's... Everyone's on a
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  Speaker 1: label for the most.
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  Speaker 2: Part, right? Especially.
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  Speaker 1: it's back to that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like a little harder to get clearances and okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Was that something like, cause I feel like back then, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nowadays I feel like you'll see like features
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  Speaker 1: that make sense and, you know, I'll see a feature
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  Speaker 1: and I'll just know that, oh, that guy didn't pay
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  Speaker 1: for that. They fuck with each other. Back then, did
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  Speaker 1: you have to cut the Inspector Deck check?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the label did, Lanspeed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Shout out to Lanspeed. Lanspeed had the QB shit,
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  Speaker 1: the screwball shit, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So our manager at the time was also working at Loud.
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  Speaker 2: He was an intern at Loud, so he was able
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  Speaker 2: to connect us. And yeah, Deck was to get paid
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  Speaker 2: and Lanspeed got him a check. And then he never
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  Speaker 2: cashed it. And then the rest is history. We became cool,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, some time elapsed and
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  Speaker 2: we became cool. So speaking real words, we recorded in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: He came up to my man's studio with Street Life, DL,
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  Speaker 2: a couple other guys.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to Street Life, man.
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  Speaker 2: And I was a little, and I think 7L2 was
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  Speaker 2: just a little starstruck at that point. And the struggles
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  Speaker 2: that I'd go through trying to compose the right rhymes
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  Speaker 2: to keep up with him. Then he just came in,
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  Speaker 2: we ordered a pizza, started looking at some of the
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  Speaker 2: vinyl on the wall. By the time the pizza came,
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  Speaker 2: his rap was done. He spit it in like 45 seconds.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, that's inspected deck. And that's
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  Speaker 2: how it's done. I got a lot to learn.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys hit it off immediately, and does that
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  Speaker 1: just turn into this relationship that you guys water over
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  Speaker 1: the years?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, you know, because 7L was feeding the
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  Speaker 2: beats here and there. We had a few other collabs
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  Speaker 2: that were kind of a little bit more under the radar,
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  Speaker 2: but as time went on.
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  Speaker 2: You suggested we formed a group together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just, you know, I was mixing one
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  Speaker 3: of the songs we were doing together. And on the playback,
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  Speaker 3: I was just, I sent him a text being like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: it would be kind of dope if, like, the two
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  Speaker 3: of you just did a whole EP together. Something really
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  Speaker 3: under the radar. I was even thinking, like, just do
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  Speaker 3: a white label vinyl. Nothing, you know, no big push. No,
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  Speaker 3: you know, nothing. Just do something for the art. And
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  Speaker 3: he was like, yeah. He was like, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: can talk about how we do it, but I'll see
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  Speaker 3: what Dec thinks. And Dec was, like, down.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we didn't have.
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  Speaker 1: What year is this? Because the first album was 2013, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So what year was this where you guys kind of
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  Speaker 1: just were like, okay, this is something we're down to
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  Speaker 1: figure out. 2010 maybe?
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, 2010, 2011. And I kind of thought he was
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  Speaker 2: crazy even thinking of it because I was the one
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  Speaker 2: that was in contact with Dex. I was like, yeah,
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: hit him up.
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  Speaker 1: Ask him.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, So you want.
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  Speaker 1: Me to ask?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's your fucking idea. You ask.
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  Speaker 2: 100%. But I was like, all right, I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: do we got to lose, man? And I reached out
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  Speaker 2: and he was like, you know, that might be pretty dope,
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  Speaker 2: you know? And then we went out to Staten Island
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  Speaker 2: and we recorded a lot of it out there at
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  Speaker 2: Remedy Studio. And it just grew from there, man. And
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  Speaker 2: when it started, we didn't have a name for the group.
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  Speaker 2: And then Dec had suggested, why don't we call ourselves
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  Speaker 2: like the Bomb Techs, like Bomb Technicians. And I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was kind of cool, but it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: falling back into, the world of the backpacker.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it feels, that's a very.
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yes. Yes, and so we thought a little while longer,
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  Speaker 2: and we came up with Zarface in the character, and
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  Speaker 2: it grew from there. And I remember when I had
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  Speaker 2: the name Zarface, I was talking to Seven, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to pitch him on Zarface, see
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  Speaker 2: what he thinks.
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  Speaker 1: What was your thought? How did you land on that idea?
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  Speaker 2: I was just trying to think of a dope name
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  Speaker 2: for a character, because I thought if we had this
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  Speaker 2: like an icon or like a figurehead mascot, so to speak,
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  Speaker 2: that people can kind of be drawn to, that can represent.
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  Speaker 2: The group. Yeah, and kind of be where our roads meet.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Smart. Like Dec coming from
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  Speaker 2: Staten Island, us coming from Boston, the stuff that we're into,
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  Speaker 2: we kind of meet in the middle with like comic
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  Speaker 2: book stuff and everything. And I thought about Czar Face,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember talking to him for, probably sat on
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  Speaker 2: it for 48 hours. I'm like, I don't know. Cause
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  Speaker 2: it's ghost face. What if ghost face gets mad that
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  Speaker 2: we're doing?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, it's like, like valid concern.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. At that time. But now as you get
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  Speaker 2: to know the guys who work with ghost face and
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  Speaker 2: work with these guys, I was probably never a concern,
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  Speaker 2: you know? And, and, but in our mind, it could
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  Speaker 2: have been, uh, you know, biting, but, uh, not. And then,
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  Speaker 2: and then czar face, uh, became what it is now.
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  Speaker 1: into the interview. So, like, you pitched the idea to Dak.
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  Speaker 1: You already have the idea that you want a character,
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  Speaker 1: like a mascot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, first of all, like, how do you land, how
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  Speaker 1: many different renditions of the mascot are there? And then
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  Speaker 1: how did you guys finally kind of land on, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is it? And now, like, obviously I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: guys couldn't anticipate the world that it's created.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, what was the, like, I guess kind of the, like,
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  Speaker 1: lead up to finally landing on What the guy looked
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  Speaker 1: like and what Czar Face looked like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in the first few conversations, because we had a
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  Speaker 2: few records done already before we really ran with the
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  Speaker 2: concept of Czar Face. But he had the idea. He
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  Speaker 2: was he agreed with the name. He was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's a dope name. And I was like, all right, cool.
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  Speaker 2: And we're off and running. And he's like, how about
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  Speaker 2: we do something like like. like Scarface, like Tony Montana,
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  Speaker 2: but it'd be two of our faces or three of us. And,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, well, I'm kind of like leaning
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  Speaker 2: more towards, you know, this type of guy. And I
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: would describe Ultron and Dr. Doom and, you know, some
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  Speaker 2: Marvel characters. And then I, we linked with a little
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  Speaker 2: more Supreme who I first, he first caught my eye.
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  Speaker 2: Cause his artwork really struck, uh, like this Jack Kirby
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  Speaker 2: vibe from like the, Silver Age of Comics, and I
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: was like, let's get in touch with L'Amour, see what
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: he can do, and describe what we're looking for, and
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: then L'Amour came up with the likeness of him, and
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I showed Dec, and Dec's like, yo, that's dope, and so.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: He hit it at the park the first, first, he
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: really did, yeah, he really did, yeah, he really did,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: because we, we spoke about it for a while, I'm like,
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I want the guy to be, you know.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Armor-plated, and fangs, and stuff, and he just delivered it,
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: and he, you know, we're such big fans of his art,
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like Whatever he came with was going to
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: be within the field of what we were looking for,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: you know? And I just... Yeah, pretty happy. He's had
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: different iterations since when we started making the action figures
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: and stuff. His look changed a little bit here and there,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: but we're just kind of.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I think the aesthetic... I mean, just
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: like there's Spider-Man, there's different Spider-Mans.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. There's the Bat-Mans. Yes, completely, yeah. So, you know,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: we got Czar Noir, who's like this robotic Czar face
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: who's in all black, and a couple different spin-offs.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Like, when you guys... Because I'm assuming you don't know
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: this is going to turn into a thing. I'm sure
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: you're approaching it like, this is a one-off.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: There was no album title for the first album. It's
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: just Starface. And it's at Inspector Deck on the cover.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: And I regret not making it a title now because
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: it grew into so much other stuff. But yeah, that
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: first album, we just thought it was going to be
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: one and done. But I think when that album came out,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I think it was Deck who was like, yo, we
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: got to do another one. Get Jizz on it. Get
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Meth on it. I was like, you can get Matt
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and Giza? He's like, oh, yeah. And then.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would hope, yeah, of course.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Well, in my mind, because, you know, I'm working with
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: one of the greats, but still fanning out at the
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: same time, you know? What.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: How does the relation... I always wonder, like, how does
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: the relationship with Lamar build into, like, okay, this is
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: something that we got to figure out because you're the
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: kind of the... Like, he's so... The art and the
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: imagery of the music is... as important as the music.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: This is kind of like the only time I think
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: in hip hop we've seen something where it's like the artwork,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: the character is as important as the music. There's a
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: lot of people who love you guys that don't know
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: who the fuck y'all are.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: That's special to me. That's really important because we kind
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: of branch out. There are people that collect the action
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: figures and they don't really know the music as well.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: There are people that collect the comic books and they
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: don't know about the figures or the music. So we
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: have kind of different worlds. When we go to Comic-Con,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: we're getting really what would be the word? Particular people that,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you know, they're going to hand you your comic to sign,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: but don't touch that part of the comic. Don't touch this.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: It's got to be this. It's a serious world. Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: And then you've got people coming up to us like, yo,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that shit is dope. I love the way you flipped
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: that line and came in after deck or whatever it
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: is that don't give a fuck about comics. So we're
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: able to create like three different lanes and L'Amour Supreme
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: as the artist, he really gives the covers, you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the identity of the album. You know what I mean?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Because you look at it. So, l'amour supreme is a
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: uh i love the way you kick this show off
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: saying he's like the fourth i feel like he's a
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: part of the group he is he is but he's
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: always like on his skateboard in the village and you're
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: just trying to like wrangle him and stuff you know
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: i mean i can't get him to show up to
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the studio you know he might come by with an
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: easel and just draw a leg and he's gone for
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: another two.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Hours like how much input do you guys have when
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: it comes to the comic books and stuff or do
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: you write them so you're right so you're writing.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: The comics yeah yeah yeah which is a big part
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: of it for me you know what i mean uh
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: carrying on that part of czar face and.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Uh that's also got to be like a childhood dream.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Absolutely it's been an itch i wanted to scratch since
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: back in the day because i was writing comics before
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: i was rapping so like when i was like a
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: real little kid you know and comics were teaching me
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: how to read you know what i mean batman superman
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: spider-man all these things like okay telekinesis i know right
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: now i know what that is or and um let
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: me create my own guys so i created nocturnal night
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and diurnal Duke. And they were like adversaries. And I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: was like, these are my comics, but my art was terrible.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And my writing was terrible, but I mean, I was
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: creating them, but you're a kid, man. Yeah. And I
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: was just, you know, it's, I wanted to scratch. And
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: then now we, uh, I'm writing the comics and I,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I did some things, uh, that, you know, graphic novels
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and it's been, been, uh, a blessing.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It's definitely like its own thing. Like, I feel like, uh,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: one of my good friends, DJ Amen is a very big, uh,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: very big toy comic bro yeah he's a great dude
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: great dude because you guys did the super seven toy
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: right yep yeah yeah shots of super seven on the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: bay um but like i i go to comic con
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: with him now and i'm just or i'll go to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: like designer con like and it's just such a it's
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: such it's dope yeah but it's just like like you
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: said it's its.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Own thing man yeah yeah i love it there and
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it's All the different cons. I mean, it's just, it's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a great vibe.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like hip hop, we're pretentious in hip hop.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: We can be.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Our fans, they're like ice grilling, you know what I'm saying? Like,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: don't step on my sneakers. Fucking Comic-Con, motherfuckers is dressed
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: like Ryu.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Not Ryu from Styles and Beyond, but... Shout out to Ryu, though.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like, you know, there's fucking... It's just like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: everyone's just crazy.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And everyone there is having the time of their life.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: They enjoy that, and they're living out whatever they want
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: to do, and that's what's great about it. And there's
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: been a lot of hip-hop that's been brought into the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Comic Con, you know, the conventions and stuff, and we've
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: had the opportunity to speak on panels with Chuck D
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: from Public Enemy, DMC, Todd McFarlane, like all these icons. Prodigy. Prodigy. Yeah, Prodigy.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Lodge Professor, Ice-T, and just being able to merge the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: world of hip-hop and comics, just my first loves and
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: continue to, you know. Well, I feel like you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Guys are kind of like, pie. I mean, I'm not
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: saying that there has been crosses in the world before,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: but like, I feel like on a consistent basis, like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like you look at like something Mass Appeal
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: did last year at New York Comic Con.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It was huge. It was crazy.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: It's a big deal.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: You were saying, you were about to say a word, pie.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you were going to finish that thought.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Would you say pioneers? Is that what you were going
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: to say?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I'd be quick to correct you and say we weren't
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: we aren't pioneers but yeah we definitely lean into it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah I feel like you guys have made it a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: thing that is like it's a one-on-one thing yeah you
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: know what's crazy too is like you guys started your
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: shit like around the time I'm trying to think in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: my head kind of around the same time that like
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Run the Jewels started running yeah similar yeah right yep
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: yeah and it's so crazy because it's like Killer Mike
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and LP yeah sounded crazy but then they put out
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that rap music album and everybody loved it and then
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: it turned into this and like right and like obviously
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: they have like a lot of they don't have a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: comic book but they're in video games but it's kind
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of cool it's been kind of cool to watch like
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you guys each kind of.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah we get that we get we hear that a
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: lot because it's you know it's me and deck and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: then it's lp and killer mike and then you know
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: um Yeah, it's been a cool thing to watch, man.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: They've had an incredible career, and now we have LP
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: on our album and everything.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Shout out to LP, man.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: One of the great whites.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I always put my white top five together, and he's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: in there.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's good. That's good. You know your stuff. What
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: about I see the Phoenix Suns versus Tom Chambers?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for me, I'm from Arizona. No, I'm talking about
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: hip-hop whites.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: All-time whites. Tom Chambers. I'm more of a Thunder Dan guy.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Marley.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: He took us to the finals with Barkley.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Right, right. I'm more from the Chambers era.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Chambers, though. So I want to know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: how do you guys end up? Because obviously, Frankie Pulitzer,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: we know who that is.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Frankie Pulitzer. That's who he is. Right.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So he may or may not be a famous movie
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: star who can rap very, very well. And we've seen
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: videos and stuff from Tom Hardy where we're like, oh, shit.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: What the fuck? This guy could spit. Who approaches who?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And is he a fan of Zarface? Because you guys
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: always do the meets, like Zarface meets, and this is Zarface.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Meets Frankie Pulitzer. Feels like a real official kickoff to
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: like his musical footprint officially.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Frankie Pulitzer's, yeah.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Frankie Pulitzer. Not Tom Hardy.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Frankie Pulitzer.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Definitely not the same guy. So Frankie Pulitzer. So like,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: does Frankie Pulitzer DM you? And do you say, oh shit,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it's Bane. I mean, it's Frankie Pulitzer.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: First of all, Frankie Pulitzer has a mask on. Right,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of course.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: No idea who the fuck he is.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Right, I know. So there's no connection there, but.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: You guys are a fucking armor-plated fucking bruh with superpowers
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and fangs.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I get it. Go ahead. Go off, kid. How's it start?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Everything we did for this album, we did in person
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: with Frankie. So there was nothing that was coming through...
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: emails although we you know we talk you know and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: he's a he's a facetime guy despite wearing a mask
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: so it's like if i get that call i'm like
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: yeah i'm in the shower i go grab the thing
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But but i'm in terms of like he's a fan
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: i'm obviously you're a fan because you watch.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So stuff check it out so we can talk about
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: tom right tom hardy he's a great great idea by
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the way mob.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Last season two is about to go crazy.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely You know, I was supposed to get killed
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: in Moblin Season 2, but it never happened. I don't know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But Tom did put me in Venom 3, so I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: got a little cameo in Venom 3. It's kind of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Only Venom I didn't see, and I got to watch it.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, you do. Well, you got to watch that 15 seconds,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: because that's the most. No, but you should watch it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I love it. But he was able to put our
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: music in Venom 2 and Venom 3, and the music,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the Tsarface songs that are in there, that 7L produced,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I would categorize as really hard-hitting, unapologetic, boom-bap hip-hop. Something
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: you would never traditionally see in a Marvel movie or
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: a major motion picture. You know what I'm saying? So
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Tom really went to bat for us and for what
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: he liked. He reached out to us, and I remember
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I got the call one morning. It was like February
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: in the winter, and I'm walking my two dogs. It's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: like 6 a.m., and he's in London or whatever, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the phone rings. It's like a London number, and I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: was like, hello, it's Tom. I'm not going to try
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: to do his accent, but I got the two dogs
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: like this. I got the two dogs in a, in
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a bag of shit in my, you know, I.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Got three dogs.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I've been on that walk. Okay.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But now I'm talking to Tom Hardy. I'm trying
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to be composed. I'm like, yeah. Hey, Oh, what's up, man?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: How are you? You know, it was good. You know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and we started talking, I'm walking the dogs like this,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: trying to pretend. And I know this was right as
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: the pandemic was kicking off and we kind of became
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: good friends. And, and, um, And you know, he's a
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: hip hop head to the bone, you know?
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So he's just a fan first.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He could sit down and have the same
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: conversation with you about dilated peoples, about anything from 90s
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: hip hop.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: He's a hip hop head.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, it's obvious.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And, and yeah, I guess it is, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: guess it is obvious, but you know, anything to do
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: with Frankie Pulitzer, we can get into that next if
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So how like soon did you realize like he
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: was like Frankie and was like a very talented rapper.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Because Frankie is rapping his ass off on this album.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's dope. He's dope. What do you think?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it was... We did a few demos
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that just came out amazing, pretty flawless. I thought he
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: fit in well with Esoteric and Deck.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: yeah we just it kind of started like that we're
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: just doing a couple songs for fun and over time
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: started recording more and more and you know after the
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: course of.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: A couple years yeah we have.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: You know and this you know some of the tracks
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: actually didn't make the cut but uh yeah we recorded
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: just a ton of songs together it was just it
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: was just for the fun it was really no plan
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it's like you know let's.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Just like let's like let's just fuck around yeah it
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: turns into like hey we got enough like maybe we.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Should Well, once it reached a certain number, eight or
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: nine songs, then it was like, okay, why don't we
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: like maybe, you know, format these a little more traditional songs,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: less like freestyles. A lot of them were just back
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: to back, you know, just trading off and stuff. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it kind of just grew from there. A little bit
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: in the way Czarface over time grew into what it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: grown into. The Frankie project kind of came together. You know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: it came together purely out of. let's just have some fun,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: make some records together.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: There's really no.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Does Inspector Deck trip out at first? Like how good
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Frankie Pulitzer is at rapping? Yeah, absolutely.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: And it's one of those things where he gets better
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: over time because we've been working on this stuff from,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, probably 2020, like right when the pandemic
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: kicked in, you know, and his sword just gets sharper
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and sharper because he's very, very dialed in, very passionate. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And there's not, you know, I might have more, we
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: might have more songs with Frankie Pulitzer than we have
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: with anybody else. We've been in the game for 30 years.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: You've been working since the pandemic.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But he's cooking and he's, you know, I really,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, you can attest to this. We
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: haven't really worked with someone as passionate and driven as
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: this guy to getting it right and crushing it. And
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it's been very inspiring, you know?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like after this, it would make sense if
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: you executive produced his first solo album.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: All right. Here we go. Here we go.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Put it out there.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: It's just an idea.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. For sure.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've been working for six years.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's a lot of solo Frankie Pulitzer.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Shit that you make.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It should go no other way. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: For sure. For sure. Maybe that's on the horizon.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: No, I think that'd be incredible. So talk to me, man,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: because you guys were... blessed enough to have a great
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: relationship with doom. Doom is somebody who I've never seen
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: somebody who was like niche underground when I was coming
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: up translate to like a generation of like kids, like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: my son and his homies are in high school and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: they love MF doom, which I don't understand.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But I love it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, Oh, you guys like MF doom.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Let me show you this.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, But can you, you guys did an entire
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: album with Doom, and obviously he was, was he on
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: your first album? He was on your first album.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Second album.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Second album. Yep. What was, like, I feel like he
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: was such a, you know, mysterious guy.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's kind of how it's always been. Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: We never really, yeah, got beyond that wall either.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, was there sessions or
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: was it like?
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: No, no. There's been a lot of communication. You know
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So he was saying that when you guys were working together,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Because I wasn't just so curious about his creative process
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: because he was such an alien.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think, you know, at the time we
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: were making these records, you know what I'm saying, he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: was in a secret hideout. You know what I'm saying?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Where I think earlier in his career, you know what
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a better chance of him rolling up
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: to the lab and doing something. But we didn't get
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: this stuff off the ground until, you know, the first
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: record we did was probably 2014 or something.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Did you guys ever meet?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we met. Yeah, yeah. But that was New Eureka days,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: back in the day. In the 90s, yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Like one of his first shows I think no I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: don't want to say it's the first one of them.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: It was the first.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: It was the first, yeah. So the first show is.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: First MF Doom show?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: That he did as MF Doom, yeah.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: With the mask.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was actually... He was wearing a stocking
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: cap that was cut down.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I want to say it was mega long. We had
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: two other people on stage with him, and... Yeah, they
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: just all had kind of similar outfits, like stocking caps
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: pulled down right over their nose, tank tops and, like,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: jean shorts and Timberlands. And I remember Giant Case of Heineken,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: and they just... He did, you know, the three songs
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: he had out, and it just bounced.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: It was In-N-Out, and, you know, and we were like, oh.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I saw him once live, and I think he... It
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was either him and Immortal Technique or him and Talib Kweli.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I don't remember the tour, but it was one of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: those two. It was at the Brick House in Arizona.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And I was right up front, up against the gate.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And he had open-toed sandals on. And so MF Doom's
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: toes are in my face the entire show. And man,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: he had some thangs on him.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, he was stuck.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I can only look at his feet the entire show.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: My in-person memory of MF Doom are his feet.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I missed this whole exchange. I was communicating with him.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I think I'm happy I missed it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He was talking about MF Doom's first show and I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: was like, I got to see him live too.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Just from his feet for an hour.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So we were coming from that same circuit, kind of
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the indie boom and we had already kind of idolized
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: him from his days with KMD and Zevlovex and then
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: he grew into MF Doom and we found ourselves in
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the same spots as him and I'm like, is that
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: really Zevlovex? Is he really coming out as MF? Is
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: it really him? And we talked to somebody, like Ill
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Bill or somebody. He's like, no, that's him. That's the dude.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: It might have been Foz or somebody.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's Happy to whatever. And it was like, wow,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: we're on the same. Because when you come up watching
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: your own TV raps and everything, there's a status. Do
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Of course. These people are
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: all superheroes. And then you find yourself, what do you
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: mean we're going on and then he's going on? We're
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: doing the same show together? We're on the same bill?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: This is Zevlovex. And then here we are now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: How much of a, like is our face inspired by doom?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Cause he also kind of was, you know?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, huge. Yeah.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, Damascus people, people have a tattoo.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He's been, it's, it's funny. I think about
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that a lot because he's been a huge influence on
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: us in our production, even before czar face. So the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: stuff that he would sample back in the day, like
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Sesame street records or, you know, whatever it was, sound bites,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm always thinking like, ah, we had this
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: joint with Beyonder called Be Alert. We sampled the Transformers.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: But even before that, he was sampling Spider-Man. So he's
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: always been ahead of the curve, and we've always been
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: trying to keep up. And to collab with him down
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the line was like a huge, obviously a huge honor.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: But the distinction, I think, is that Zarface is a
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: character that that exists outside where Doom is Doom and
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Doom is on stage with a mask, like he is.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Like the real thing. He's walking around, you know.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you won't see me, Deck, or 7-Eleven in a
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Czar face mask. Right, right, right.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Which would be awesome if you guys just... One Comic-Con,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you just come out.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And say, fuck it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: We had some, bro. He made the suit, so I
• 33:04
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• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we have scenes our face at Comic Cons.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Like people dress up as in for Halloween. It's like
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the highest honor. But yeah, I don't think you're going
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: to see us rocking the actual helmets.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I can imagine. Are you guys already figuring out who
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the next meets is?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know, man.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Would you do another Ghostface one?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, we'd love to do that. You have any suggestions?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I feel like I'm trying to think like
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: somebody who's kind of from like the newer I feel
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like I know this sounds random, but I feel like
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you guys in Earl's sweatshirt would go crazy. Also, Freddie.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Freddie would go crazy. To bring Freddie into, like, on
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: some of that production, because he's obviously done the Mad
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Lib thing.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I think that would go crazy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be dope, man. I like
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Denzel Curry, too.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Denzel's a monster.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: He's a monster.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The records he does with Kenny Beats, it kind of,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: No, I think Denzel would go crazy. He's got so
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: much range.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So we just put it out there. Denzel, let's make
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: it happen.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. You know, if it's not going to be him,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: maybe it'll be like... I don't know, another Frankie Pulitzer
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: joint or something. Part two. Who knows?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Sounds like that's already finished.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: This is where you hit the air horn?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Six years.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I hope you got.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Two albums done in six fucking years.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we stay working because we love doing it,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's got a little touch of crazy,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: both of us, so we stay plugged in and can't,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you know, can't take our foot off the gas. For you.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I always say that Inspector Deck has the greatest rap
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: verse of all time on Triumph. And one of the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: other greatest rap verses of all time on Above the Clouds.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: For you, man, does it like, obviously, like you said,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you grew up, these guys are superheroes, right? Wu-Tang Clan superheroes, right?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: But just like from an MC perspective, how much better
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: has your pen gotten just rapping with inspect a deck
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: for the last 13 years. Like, it's got to push
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: your pen.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I think it has, yeah. I definitely push my confidence.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It tested me at places
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: where I realized, like, okay, I got to do this
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: on stage with deck. I got to know how to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: say this with deck and keep up with deck in
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: any form. You know what I mean? It's also because Zarface...
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: has kind of become a reality. And I feel like, okay,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: we're doing this for real now. You know what I mean?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I really, really, really want to dial in and make
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: sure everything is as good as I can get it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: He's been a, you know, when we do our face shows,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: we get to finish them by doing triumph and doing
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: above the clouds and doing for heaven's sake. So I'm
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: up there with him performing these things. And I just,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: you know, as I said, we don't really take our
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: foot off the gas and reflect much. But I think
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: when we do, I'm going to sit back and just
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: realize that, like, I learned a lot from this guy
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: just by, you know, being around him. You know what
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I mean? And we've had a lot of conversations about
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: different rhyme schemes and cadences and so forth, and he'll
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: remark on something that I did, and I'm like, oh, shit,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: thank you, man. You know, and it's just you're in
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the presence of a samurai, and I'm just kind of
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: watching what he does. Like, we're in the studio together.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: He'll just, you know. It's embarrassing because he's sitting there,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you know, he's making the beats or whatever. And Dak
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: will go lay his part. And it's like, it's done.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Dope.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I'm in there.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What do you got?
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I got my first four. Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, let me record that. You know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I have no problem writing it. But the delivery, I'm
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit more, you know, critical of. So, you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I just want to keep up with him.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Um, what is, cause I feel like there's so much
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: more that you guys can do with czar face that,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys do so much, the toys, the comics,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: all that. Have you guys started to kind of map
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: out where the world of czar face, where you would
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like to take it and where it's going next?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Uh, we've had a lot of, uh, ideas
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: and directions, you know, um, an animated series or of
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: course a movie or something like that, but those are
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: all on the table. Maybe, you know, partially in development.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: There's been a lot of opportunities that we kind of
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: hit the brakes on.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: And we just want to do it right when it's
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: time to do it. But there's definitely been those situations.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Not for.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Like, shit, dude, I can imagine if, like, Adult Swim was...
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Is Adult Swim still around? I think it's dead. I
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: think it's gone. Is it still around? Oh, well, I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: feel like Adult Swim would go crazy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the three of us just fucked that up.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: My camera guy has the snitch glasses on. I just
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: noticed he's recording. he's got us in the fucking metaverse
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: right now with those snitch shades.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I think we're recording.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: We're surrounded by fucking podcast he's got a fifth angle.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: We're not doing anything too sneaky here I do have
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: pants on.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Fair point.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot of talks about things like that,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: and we're super excited to make that happen, because Zarface,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: as the character in the comic books and in the music,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: there's a lot to be put together there, and they
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: can live together or separately.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: You said you were on a panel with Todd McFarlane,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and when you kind of... are a part of the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Comic-Con scene in that kind of world. Like, so many
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: people rub shoulders with each other yeah have any of
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: the major like a marvel or image or anybody like
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: like what's top like does todd mcfarland like understand your
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: guys's universe like is.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: He oh yeah yeah he understands talk about it yeah
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: he understands everybody's universe because he's just he's like a
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you know soothsayer with the whole industry right he gets
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it like So Zarface's cape is inspired by Spawn, who
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Todd McFarlane created. And we joked about it. I thought
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I was in trouble. And he was like, everyone takes
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: something from somebody.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: He's like, all right, here's a cease and desist that
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: comes 90 days later. I'm like, what the fuck, Todd?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, if you get some time with him,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: he is just the best guy to talk to about
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this stuff because he knows everything. And he's not stingy
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: with his knowledge or jewels. He spent time with my son.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: My son is an artist and he sat down with
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: him and spoke with him. And I'm like talking to Xavier,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: my son. I'm like, do you know?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: He draws your son?
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does. Yeah. And, you know, he's been a major,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: major inspiration in terms of Tsar Face. Like when we
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: first came up with Tsar Face, it was like I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: want for me personally, I want something where I can
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: be a full time father and still sink my teeth
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: in a hip hop completely. what's a good way to
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: marry this, this, this situation and make it work for
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: me personally. You know, 7L' s doing the beats, Dex doing
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: everything he's doing, but I need something where I'm present
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: here and I'm present with the music. So we came
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: up with Zarface and that became his personal superhero. You
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I'm like, this is, this is
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: our guy, Zarface, you know? And as we grew older,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: he's 17 now, but we've been doing this for over
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a decade. So He's been able to grow up with
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: the character.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: He could probably draw the fuck out of his art. Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: You know, this is the one thing I'm sad about
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: is that he refuses to because he thinks it might
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: be in his head like it's too steep of a
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: hill to climb.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But our kitchen and fridge and everywhere is lined with
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Green Lantern and Batman and Superman, Venom, Spider-Man. Like, he
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: draws everybody all the time. And his art is flawed.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, Xavier... draw Tsar face. We will pay you.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We'll put you.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: You're going to be a paid guy on the payroll.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do a comic book cover, you do a
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: vinyl cover, we'll do it. And he's like... You know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and I've seen some of his... He's attempted a few times,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: but he... I see them because I snoop around. But he.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: He's like, I see you working. I see the rough drafts.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. But I'm not going to say, hey, I
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: was in your room looking at everything you were drawing.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Now he knows. Yeah, I know. He's a big fan
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: of the show. And I say, I see what you're
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: doing with Zarface here, but I can't reveal that because
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I want him to give it to me when he's happy.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: And I would love to put Lamar Supreme out of
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: business and have Xavier do it a lot cheaper. Just kidding, Lamar.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: It's got to be crazy that We're 13 years into
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the Czar Face thing, and you guys probably, like, meet
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: people who, like, have been listening to you guys since
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: they were, you know, teenagers, and now they're grown-ass men.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: But just, like, but not, like, listening to, like, Esoteric
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and 7L, but, like, they didn't even know that existed.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for the better.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: But that's a, like, that's a crazy run with the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: amount of, because how many projects altogether are you guys
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: in now?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: That is something... 15, maybe? Oh, is it?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Well... We've got some instrumental albums, too.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: That's a lot, right? That's like a hell of a... Like,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: most people's careers don't last three years.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: But to have this other run that is.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It's its own thing, but it's got to be kind
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of crazy for you guys to come from where you
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: guys come from.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: To get the acknowledgement and get the accolades from this
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: side project that turns into the main thing.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. And... You know, with 7L Esoteric, you know,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: we were able to go to Europe and tour Greece
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and go all these places. But let me be clear.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: You guys were a thing.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like, I think we got, like, a
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: second act here. And it's been a much bigger act.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: So we're so, you know, so grateful for it. And,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: you know, here we are.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Is the Jalen Brown trade the worst trade since Kawhi
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Leonard to the Clippers? Well, I guess Kawhi didn't get
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: traded to the Clippers, to be fair.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. It's up there. It's disgusting. And I mean,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I'm still going to, you know, pull for the Celtics.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Somehow Paul George involved in both of the worst NBA
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: transactions in recent history.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing against Paul George, you know
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: what I mean? But it's just like a real mind eraser. Like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: why would you do that? You know, but this, you know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You guys got so many championships. So it's like, like,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I'm a Suns fan. So all we know is like
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: being bad.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Just, like, good, but, like, never that good. Yeah, yeah, right, right.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: So, it's like, when I saw it, I was just like,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: because I like Jalen Brown as a person. I think
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he's a great guy.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: But I just didn't get it, man. I was just like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: how do you not get more? The Sun should have
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: gave him more.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Like, for fuck's sake.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, if you listen to, like, sports
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: radio in Boston.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's all about that second apron shit, too, and, like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: having two people who make $ 60 million over.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Paul George gave you a little
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: more flexibility.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: You can move them.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: All that stuff, yeah. When it gets into the finances
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: and the contracts and stuff like that, I kind of like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: it's not my, above my pay grade. So I don't
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: understand that. And I don't want to speculate, but Boston
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Radio is always saying, oh, there's, you know, stuff behind
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the scenes.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I can imagine. But just coming off a year that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like, I thought it was like a rebuilding, like, okay,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: you guys are going to take a year off?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I know.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown plays his fucking ass off.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: You get some good Anthony Simons minutes.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Richard.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: No.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And then Jalen Brown said it was his favorite year.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: And everyone's like, oh, my God, we got a trade.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Because because Tatum was on the bench for most of
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the season and then all the season, really. And yeah,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: it's not not good. But I mean, I'm always going
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to pull for the Celtics. You should know. Yeah. Are you.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, are you embracing Paul George?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: You're going to get a jersey? I have to. Oh, no.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get a jersey, I don't think.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You should get a jersey since the 7L' s name is George.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Get a little George on the back.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Get the George jersey. You'll be one of 12 people
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Jeez. Oh, man. Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Nobody in Boston who's a real Celtics fan is buying...
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: The Paul George jersey is.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Going fucking triple wood.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Because everyone's going to be like, fuck this guy. I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: want Taylor Brown.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I've got... Three jerseys, Celtics jerseys, in my closet. One's
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Reggie Lewis, rest in peace.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Rest in peace.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One is Bird.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I would hope so.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And one, well, actually, I got a Pierce jersey, too.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: What am I talking about? But the last one is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Inspector Deck. Because when Wu-Tang did their final chamber tour,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: they all got jerseys. Yeah, so they all came out
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: in Celtics jerseys. yeah did he give you his yeah
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: like on some mean joe green shit and he just
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: like like after the show like i was able to
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: bring my son and his buddy back to meet everyone
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: such a great show and yeah it was.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: A great show oh my god the way they like
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: split it up.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah oh it was great it was great but at
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the end you know he was like i know you're
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: a celtics fan take this and i was like oh
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: dope man and uh and i have it now it
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: says inspect the deck on the back i mean it's
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of letters it is it's like stacked so
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: it looks kind of you know unique in that sense
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and it's dope so I don't know. When we open
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: up the Zarface Cafe, we're going to put that behind glass.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Is there going to be a Zarface Cafe? We're working
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: on the Zargaritas now. The what? Zargaritas, like a bar first.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Is that real? No. What do you mean it's not real?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: You've got to manifest it, man.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Zargaritas would go crazy. I don't know where that goes crazy.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: You gave that an honest thought.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Or Zarbonated Drinks. Let me stop.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Zarbonated Drinks.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: We are working on our second collaboration with Saucony for
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: another Zarcony sneaker. We dropped one in 2000, what? 21?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: They got dope shit.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Like the Westside Gun shit. Yeah, real dope.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. They're a great company.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Who inspires you guys now? from, like, I guess maybe, like,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a newer generation. I wouldn't say, like, a lot of
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the new, new shit's horrible. You mentioned Denzel earlier. Denzel's incredible.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Any artists that you guys are inspired by that you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: fuck with, especially you?
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's more of, like, producer-based. So, like,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever Alchemist or Madlib, Muggs is doing, I'm
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, I'm more plugged into the producer
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: side of it. You know, Kenny Beats doing the Denzel Curry,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you know, stuff like that. So, at least that's, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: what I'm checking for.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like... A newer MC, his first record
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: came out this recently, Frankie Pulitzer. That's the guy I'm
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: talking about the most. You know, he's dope. He's dope.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I agree. And I had to give him a leg
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: up a little, you know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: What's his process? Because we know you say, like, Deck
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: probably just goes in and just.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: He does.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Just runs.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: He doesn't run, all right? He doesn't run circles. He
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't do that, no.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: To be fair, what is, like, you know, for somebody who's...
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: This is their first... the last six years. So I'm
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: assuming it's like the first three albums you guys have finished.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Um, but like, what is his creative process? And like,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: are you guys helping him out? Like through like kind
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: of just the studio shit. Cause I feel like being
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: in the studio.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Being able to rap like around the homies and like
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: getting in and like laying down. There's a lot to that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: We we have a lot of back and forth when
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: we're talking about, you know, certain takes. You know what
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I mean? You know, if you're in the lab and
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: you record something, you've got a bunch of people around.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Once you finish that last line, you're waiting to hear
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: in the next room. You wait here. Oh, something like that.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: If you don't hear it, something's wrong. Like, damn, was
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: this whack? I got to do it again, you know?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And we've had a lot of conversations about that, about
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: my stuff, about Dex stuff, about Frankie stuff. So it's
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I think there's been a lot of
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: uh honest communication i think we go further that way
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you know what i mean and frankie's very very very
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: open to criticism and very uh willing to improve work
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and make it right you know and it's as i
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: said he's very inspiring in that sense because a lot
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: of people come in in the booth with like an
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: ego and think they're you know.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: He went crazy honestly i was smart When I heard
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the mad technology, I was like, yeah. That's Frankie Pulitzer.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Well, you were like this new MC
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard of. Not the guy from Peaky Blinders
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: at all. Oh, yeah, that TV show.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not the guy from there. By the way, that
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: guy did do a good.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Job on the show.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Great show.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. That guy's a phenomenal actor. We're talking about Cillian Murphy.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course, of course. Because he
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: was the Riddler, and he did wear a mask and that.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: He did, he did.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: A lot of connections.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Check us out. You guys have this stuff that is
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: super limited, merch, vinyl, et cetera. It flips online, the art.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like its own thing. There's people who
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: will literally just buy your shit just to resell it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, which is... It feels gross,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: but it also feels good because there's people that demand it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: And we have people bootlegging our stuff all the time. Like,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give them any shine.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: There are people bootlegging stuff?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, man. Like, what gets bootlegged, though? Merch.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: The merch.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, we prefer you go to czarface.com
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: and buy our stuff. But you can see the same
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: stuff on, like, you know, these bootleg sites. And it's
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: just like, damn, man. It's the way things move so fast.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It's like... What is the.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: uh, most amount of money you've seen a piece of
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: vinyl or a piece of art go for on the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: resale market where you were just like, what the fuck.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Is going on here? I, I don't know. I know
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: he did cause he flips it himself. So he's probably
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: has a lot.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: He's like, Hey, I need 10 of them. Hey, part
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of his, part of his pay for the beats is like, yeah,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: we need to allocate.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Oh man. You should see how I got his Range Rover.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: It's um, nah, uh, definitely, uh, you know, High four figures.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I want to see here.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm just on eBay right now, and I
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: just typed in Zarface.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Right now, there's a concrete jungle Zarface statue for $ 4, 000. Okay.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: There's a Zarface autograph card for $ 1, 800? That's low. The
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: gas one?
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, gas trading?
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a figure, 25 out of 50.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. $ 1, 500. $ 1, 500. $ 1, 500. Yeah, you know, and these are
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: the same statues and toys that are down in my
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: basement that my daughter's probably throwing a basketball at right now.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I got all of them.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: They're just opened up. They're not in the greatest condition
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: right now. But that's got to be cool. Coming from
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: like where y'all come from.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: It's really cool, man. It's really cool. And when we
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: were really starting with the action figures, there were some
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: smaller artists that were, they thought we might have been
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: bigger than we were, and they were just out making
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: their own Tsarface figures and selling them online for like
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: 200 bucks. And I'm like, yo, man, we're trying to
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: sell our own figures and make some money ourselves. We're
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: not that big. It's not like bootlegging Batman.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Will you guys shoot the cease and desist over?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Nah. I shot like the angry DM. How's that?
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what the fuck are you doing? Stealing our shit?
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. We got our own shit we're trying to do. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: So I had a few of those exchanges. But since then,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I've cooled off. I'm just happy that people are like,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: inspired enough by the character itself to try to make
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: something themselves, and it's like, you know, for the most case,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: have at it, but in other cases, we got our lawyer, Neil,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: and he's a shark.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Neil. When you guys do the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: vinyl cover for the Venom song, and you're able to
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: put Venom and Czarface on the same, that's like bringing
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Marvel and... your vision and your creation onto the same
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: piece of art.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: That's got to be like a... That's all I want.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: That's all I want to hear.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: That's got to be like the coolest shit ever, though.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's... Trust me.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It's low-key the Marvel co-star.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah. I actually wrote a Nightcrawler story in
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: an X-Men issue, too, with Marvel. Fire. Yeah, yeah. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: they put us in a Black Panther comic, the three
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: of us, not those characters on our face, but me, Deck,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: and 7-L. So we've been in the mix, and... Yes,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: for me personally, there's no higher honor, you know what
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, than having a Marvel character officially appear.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Because there's also the Carnage Venom and then the black
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: and white one with Darth Vader.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, that's really, as I
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: was saying, it's like bringing the two worlds together and
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: actually making it official. It's just been such a.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like the nerd version of, like an
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: underground group from Boston starting a rap group with a
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: member of Wu-Tang Clan.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Right. You know, so as I said, our feet can't
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: come off the gas, but when they do, I'm going
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: to sit back, I'm going to say, did we really
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: just do all this? Because it's been, you know, we've
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: been on a very fortunate run, man.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Ideally, one day, if there's a Czar Face live action movie,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: which would have to come on the other end of
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: some sort of animated situation.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Who could you picture playing Zarface?
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Tom Hardy? I like it. It's just a random guy.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: It's good. He was great in Warrior, too. He's an
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: amazing actor. I'd like to see him play Wolverine, actually.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I agreed to. Yeah.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: But I was thinking. If only we knew him. Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: There's some way we could get. No, listen. Frank is
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a separate thing.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: I talked to him.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Listen, there are times when I'm FaceTiming with Tom and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: my wife is around and then I just give the
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: phone to her.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: And they're exchanging like sourdough bread recipes.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: My son is 12 and he's on a sourdough kick
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: where he makes sourdough bread. He's got starters. I got
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: 12 starters up against the fucking window.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Okay.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Kitchen smells crazy.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: As soon as they bust them fucking jars open, them
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: shit smell wild. Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: So they were just talking about it, you know, and
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this conversation is going on a little too long.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You're FaceTiming with Tom.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Leave my girl alone.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Give me the phone back.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Do you know if Tom's heard the album with Frankie Pulitzer?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Has he heard it?
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Being a fan, obviously.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: He might not have heard it. Yeah, I don't know.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: You should send him a copy.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, yeah. I don't know how to phrase it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I bet he has. Yeah, he's probably heard it, yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, the new album is out. It is. Zarface
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: meets Frankie Pulitzer, a new artist. Six, he's only been
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: rapping for about six years. He's a brand new guy.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: You don't know what he looks like? I would like
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: to know what he looks like.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I do know what he looks like, but we'll remain that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Is there a reason he's got the mask on? Is
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: it like a seal situation under there?
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well. There's a reason he has the mask on.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. Like Kane? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: WWE Kane? Yeah, I could talk wrestling all day. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: So Frankie Pulitzer, by the way, what an honor for
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a brand new rapper to just have a fucking joint
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: album with you guys. So shout out to me doing
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: something right.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. I like help on my friends, man.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Uh, you guys, uh, how many like additions of vinyl
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: do you guys have planned for each release? Like when
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: you guys are like, okay, we're going to put this
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: album out. This is going to be the general release vinyl.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Is there like the, you know? Yeah.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: We discussed that a lot, man. We, we think about,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: you know, what the fans want, what the collectors want,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: how to piece both markets. You know what I mean? And, and, um,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: as long as Lamar comes correct, you know what I mean? We,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: we come, we'll make a couple of different variants for
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: certain things. We'll put extra tracks on certain joints. Cause
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you know, back in the day when, you know, we
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: were collecting records or, you know, I know you still
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: collect records, George, um, but like De La Soul put
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: out this, uh, clear leg, you know, and it was,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: and so, so and so put out these records, which
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: is B sides. And it's like, wow, I need that.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: And I need that. And I need that. And, um,
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: we kind of like to feed that same fire, you know?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: That's dope.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's an official, what would you say, aficionado
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: of all that stuff because he's got a record store
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: in Beverly called Soundtracks, Beverly Mass, and he's got every
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: record known.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Beverly, Massachusetts is the place?
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I've only been to Boston and Lawrence.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, no kidding. Lawrence was nice.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: There's some great Puerto Rican chicks there.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Shout out to Lawrence, shout out
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to Terminology, my man, Ed Rock.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Term? Yeah, yeah. Have you guys ever
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: had a, A hot wiener in Providence?
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I... Is this a joke?
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: No, there's a restaurant there. It's called New York Systems.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: They sell the hot wiener.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, no.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know, because I didn't know if you
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: guys make it down to Providence. Is it down?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Up, maybe? No, it's down. It's down. Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I know Providence pretty well, but I've never had a
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: hot wiener. I'm married. I... It's a fucking.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: It's a glizzy. It's a nice.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: It's called a hot wiener.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, I believe... Hey, I believe it. I believe it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I might try it. I'm gluten-free, though, so I have to.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Patriots fan? Yeah.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys fucking... A.J. Brown's about to fuck
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, man.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I know. I know. I know.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I took him on my fantasy team. I feel good
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, man. It's going to be a fun season.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I went to one of the preseason games last week.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: In your fandom, is it like Red Sox first? No.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Sounds like who's... No, I would say it's Celtics, and Patriots,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Red Sox.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Are you a sports guy? You don't strike me as
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: a sports guy. You're a record guy.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I always like to ask producers, what is your... Because
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I loved Scratch Magazine when you were able to see
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: what everybody was using. When you're making your beats, what's
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: the setup?
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: What are you using?
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: It's pretty simple. I use a little SP-404 and just.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Acid program. That's really it.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Acid?
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Sony acid? Yes.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Well, now it's Magix, but.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Wow. I used to, back in the day, use Sony
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Vegas to edit all my videos.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, everybody.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of comments because I've done a couple... like,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: behind-the-beat videos, and they can see Acid in the background.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: A lot of people, oh, I used that when I
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: was making mashups in 06 and stuff like that.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, Acid was the shit, though. I think it was, like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: kind of free.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Back in the day.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was just the first, like, computer
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: program I learned for beats, and I just never... I mean,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I got Ableton and other stuff for a reason, but
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I just... I only use it for really just kind
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: of tracking stuff. I'm not really.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Are you also engineering these albums, or do you guys
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: have an engineer?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Jeremy Page.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: So, like, we'll make all the music.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I hope you guys aren't recording these albums into fucking
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Sony acid.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Well, we actually.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: We are, yeah.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: We are.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: We are, actually.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: And you didn't know.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually are. But that's why we.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: But that's fine. I mean, obviously it's working out.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: But, you know, Jeremy will be the one to be.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, hey.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: We know we're kind of using, you know, archaic stuff here.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Just make sure it sounds nice.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Are you, like, how do you do a lot of digging? Obviously,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: you have a record store.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Are you digging, like, for samples still actively?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Or do you still have, like, a bandwidth of shit
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: where you're like, I got to get to all these
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: that I got to fill?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I do, you know, but also with, I think with,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: you know, the Czarface stuff, I've been working with a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: ton of amazing musicians to kind of, bypass yeah yeah
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: yeah and just in general just you know a lot
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: of times you know i'll do stuff like voice note
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: ideas to people humming melodies and stuff like that so
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: it's like jeremy uh agent x who's been sending me
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: tons of samples really really talented guy he has like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: a bunch of um samples on the new uh terawack
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: record he's like he's dope and uh other people 13th
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: ward you know todd spadafore i know i'm forgetting some
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: people are you against.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: And like if you have an idea for a sample,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: but you can't find it or you can't, are you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: against throwing it into Suno?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Cause again, all these people I just mentioned, that's what
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: it is. I'm kind of like, Hey, this is what,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: you know, it's a piano. This is how it should
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: go in my head. This is how, yeah, yeah, yeah. So,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of that does come from
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: records I'm hearing and like digging and stuff like that.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: So it will be like, you know, cause like Jeremy,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: he just, you know, he's able to kind of take
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: some of the, nonsense. I'm sending him on voice. I mean,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I've listened to some back. They sound crazy. A lot
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: of them are super late in the morning. I'm like
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: whispering into the phone. I sound like a crazy person.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: You're whispering next to your lady in bed.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Well, she's sleeping. So yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm just
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: trying to be.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Like, I just had morning sex. By the way, we
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: both had morning breath and I had an idea.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I can't believe these are the beats that I'm rapping over. No, no.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: It's just more like, you know, I'm just trying to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: be like, it's like usually when I'm done working on
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: ideas in the studio, I'll be like, okay, these are
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: the things I want to shoot over and I'll just
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: be like, sending them as i'm walking around the house
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: and yeah i'm just trying to be quiet it's.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Got to be because i feel like back in the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: day it was a little bit more like the wild
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: wild west yes sample stuff and like kind of you
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: know yeah make it your own and like yeah get
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: away with it but i feel like i always talk
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: like with static and i don't know if he's kind
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: of pivoted but he used to always be like i
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: don't give a fuck like i'm putting this shit out
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and if they hit me with the cease and desist
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: something's going right yeah.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: No i know yeah That's, I mean, that's a, that's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: a good thing at times. You know what I mean?
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: But we've, we've also like when we had that combo
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: was probably 10 years ago. So I don't know how
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: much it's changed because I know a lot of people
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: who you would think are like sample heavy producers, like, bro,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: there's no samples.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: We're figuring it out.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, for sure. It's that, you know what I mean? It's, it's,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: you know, cause it has changed a lot, even the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: last like five years. It's, it's crazy. So, you know, again,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: the list of people that I've been working with, um,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: it's just, it's, yeah, it's been like, again, I see,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: you know, I've said it before in other interviews, it's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: a blessing. Cause you know, you know, they are able
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: to just bring, you know, more to it, you know,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: than sample. You're kind of limited sometimes too, which is,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: that has its positives as well. You know what I mean?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: We've got a lot of great music out of limitation.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: So, um, and a lot of stuff has been like,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, at what point in time have you found everything?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's endless stuff, especially stuff from like, you know,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I was buying a lot of records with this guy
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: in Poland and it was just like, it wasn't that expensive,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: but I was just like, I have like five crates
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: of stuff.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I can't even Polish joints.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: I can't even understand. And it's like not even aware
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: of nothing.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: But, and it's, you know, so.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Sometimes chasing you down.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: Sometimes that stuff, I'm like, Oh, well this might be okay.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: But I, you know, I get some sort of Polish
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: symphony from 1968. Who the fuck's going to fucking come
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: after me for this?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be replaying this clip. Yeah. Yeah. The
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: star face no more.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Has anyone tried to approach you guys about buying the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: intellectual property or the character?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Is that something that happens often?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it happens often, but it has happened. Yeah,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: it's happened. You know what I mean? And there might
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: have been other people that have considered it and haven't
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: approached us. You know what I mean? He's for sale. No. Yeah,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't make sense for us. You know what
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I mean? We have an idea of where we want
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: to go with it, and it's important to kind of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: keep it.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Disney comes, and they're like, yo, we want to put
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Zarfix in the Avengers.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we know the answer to that. I mean,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: that would be definitely something exciting to consider. You know
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? I just hope Disney gets it right
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and puts– Well, Marvel gets it right.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: And puts MF Dooms music in Doomsday. You know what
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that has to happen.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would hope. Yeah, yeah. It's, you know.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Shout out to our brothers at Hardeen, man. Utz family,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: of course. They've been sponsoring the podcast for years now.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: You've been seeing the mic flag for years now. Want
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out to our brothers. I just
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: was in Vegas. I had to pull up. All right, look,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: it's the number one dispensary in the world. When I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: tell you, you walk in that thing and, The bud
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: tenders are great. They take care of you immediately. The
• 1:05:08
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• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: get into that cab, you get into that Uber, immediately say,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: take me to Hardeen. They'll know what they're doing, all right?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: They're going to get you right, all right? The number
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: one premium cannabis dispensary in the world. They just got
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: me right. I was just in town for Rafi's birthday,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: had to pull up, get right, get this nice little
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: 101 Hardeen jersey. These are not available. All right, shout
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: out to them, man. All right, salute to the family.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Follow them on Instagram, Hardeen underscore Las Vegas. All right,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: let's get back to the podcast. All right, so I'm
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: a big wrestling fan, and you guys, first of all,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: are a big part of it. I want to say
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: John Cena's debut album went platinum. It did go platinum.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: It did. I think it's the only, well, I think
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: he might be the only wrestler to really drop like
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: a real, real rap album.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: R-Truth. Shout out to the Truth Man. Because you produced
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: his original theme song, Basic Thuganomics.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: How does this happen? Obviously, he's from Massachusetts. So how
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: do you guys get into John Cena?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: One of my really good friends, Mark, MC Trademark, who
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: does the record with John. You know, we grew up together.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: We're super tight. And him and John, very close. We're
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: like brothers. So John, when he was getting a little older,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: he'd hang out with us a lot. And he was
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: super into underground hip hop. I remember when.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: You were hanging out with John Cena when he was
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: growing up?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not too often. But yeah, occasionally it'd be like,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: you know, we'd go to some house party. My cousin's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: going to come. He was big back then. You know
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Before he's wrestling.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Before he went to, uh, he, I went to Florida, right?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Probably FCW.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: He went to, uh, California at first, if I remember.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. He had like a gym gig out here.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He talked about his gym gig here.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: And I want to say like the weekend before he left,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: it was, uh, labor day and he came by the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: house cause he, I had done a mixtape of all
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: underground hip hop. It was like, Even though it was
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: on at the time, like Future Sound, like a lot
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: of just really underground hip hop, Future Sound, Bop Step,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: and man, I don't know, Lords of the Underground, Psycho.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: It was like when things were early. Anyways, and he
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: just wanted a copy. He had like a little low
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: rider truck, I remember.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: The gray one with the tints. Yeah, with the tints.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: And he just had the car running outside. He had
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: a bucket hat on.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Wait, you just said car.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I came out. I don't know.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: We talked about that earlier that we've.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Done the interview so far and I haven't, I haven't
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: heard a five car stop and we got it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I remember he just came by and, uh, to grab
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: a copy and, you know, and I didn't really, uh,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I, you know, grew up watching wrestling, but I,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: you know, as a Turk, I think over time, you know,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: was keeping up with it. So I kind of had
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: no No clue where he was at by the time,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I knew he was doing his thing.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Right. For sure.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: So this is like, oh, 2002, something like that.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: And Mark was like, oh, like, you know, and I
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: knew he was rapping, like coming out and doing like.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Little disses to.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: On TV.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: On TV, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: And he's like, he wants to record a song, but
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: like he wants to do like a legit underground rap song.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: You got any beats? I was like, I don't come by.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: So they just came by. It was like, I remember
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: it was a Wednesday because I was off from work.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the Brothers Deli in Danvers. Um, and, uh, yeah,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: and I was just playing him. Uh, I had like, I, I,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I had the MPC. I was like tapped
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: out some drums. So I had a drum pattern going.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: I was just playing records over the drums, like some ideas,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: some samples. Cause you know, I was like, let's make
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: something new. And I was like, you like this, you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: like this. And he was like, you know, maybe four
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: or five things in. He just heard that vibe. He's like, Oh,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: I like that one. I like that idea. So cut
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: it up that way. You know, pitch to, you know,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: we made the, made a rough skeleton of the beat.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: He's like, let's record it. And I didn't have at
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: the time to be able to record vocals in my house.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: So I called up our friend Chaos, who we were
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: recording at. I was like, are you around right now?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: And he's like, let's do it.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, shit, OK.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: And I remember hitting Shay up to come down and
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: meet us. We met at the studio. And this is
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: early cdj days i think it was like the first
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: version and so just said some lines and i was
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: like cutting on the cdj i'd never used a cdj
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: before he's like oh yeah oh two oh three and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: we just did it like that i didn't think anything
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: of it it was it was we just did it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: in a day mixed it we were all happy with
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: it and i was like cool he's like i might
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: i might use it on maybe i'll come out to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: it i was like don't I really, I was very
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: ignorant to what would happen with it. You know what
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I mean? And that, yeah, that's kind of how, that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: was the day. It was just one day.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: So like the cuts and all that, those are your vocals?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm untouchable, but I'm forcing you to feel me there. That's, yeah,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: that's me. That's what pumps the crowd up, man. Nothing
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: to do with John.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Best thing, by the way. Biggest thing you guys have
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: ever done in your career. Fucks our face.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know, maybe you want to talk
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: about Cena a little bit. But yeah, it came to fruition.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm remembering it correctly, right? It was really
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: laid back. There was no.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: And from what I understand, the way he tells it,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: he really wasn't rapping prior to he was on the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: tour bus, I want to say, and he said some
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: shit and Stephanie McMahon heard it and said, can you
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe, yeah. Yeah, but he was rapping
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: before that. But he was.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: So he was rapping, like, before wrestling. Yeah, freestyling.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: Messing around. Yeah, yeah. He's always had the same mindset
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: as us. He just lifted more weights, you know what
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I mean? Right, right, right. But, yeah, he loves all
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: that shit, like, dilated peoples. You know, he knows all
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: that stuff. He's ahead, man. And then, you know, he
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: took that song into the ring, and then, for me...
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: like it was, you know, made it to the, uh,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: SmackDown five, SmackDown become the, you know, uh, video game,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: the video.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. Of course.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: And I was living with my man truth and my
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: man beyond there. And we would just play that all
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: the time and have him come out. And it was
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: like our song, you know, cause he produced it. My boy,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: it's on the PlayStation. We're like, you know, we probably,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: we wasted half our life playing that game. And, uh,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: But Cena's, you know, always been great to us because
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: of it. And, you know, we'd go sit ringside and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: all that shit. And then, you know, and then.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: And now, I mean, obviously, he's a part of the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: comic book world now.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Peacemaker. Peacemaker, yeah. And then, yeah, that led to
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: him making that full album with Bumpy Knuckles. You know
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: what I mean? I feel like their deliveries are similar, too. Like, John,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: you know, because... John had a choice. He could have
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: got anyone in the world and he's like, you know what,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: let me get Freddie Fox, Bumpy Knuckles, which is, you know,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: a choice that we would make.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of underground, I think, was Merz on
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: that album?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Merz on it, yeah.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely got a song and a
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: video together.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: How many beats did you do on that album?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Initially, I did six, but over time, I did zero
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: that actually made the album because the samples, they couldn't
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: either find the people who were holding the rights because
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of them Back then I was collecting a
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: lot of records from overseas, so they just couldn't even
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: track down the source. Like when we go on tour
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: in Europe, I'd be buying up all these like jazz
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: records from out there that weren't available here and making
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: beats with them. And then when they really were going
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: down to clear stuff, they just like, we can't do this.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: And a lot of it was money too. They're like,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: this is just too expensive.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: That's got to be crazy. Like, you guys grew up
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: with the greatest, I mean, you know, depending on who
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: you ask.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: You know, he is, in the conversation, the greatest of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: all time.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Still surreal. And we've done shows with him, like,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: on stage, because he went out to promote the album,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: and we'd come out and rock with him, and he'd
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: be out there with his fish.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: What is the John Cena promo.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Concert run like?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Well, Rockin' joins off the album. And he produced, I mean,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: he's grown that.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: But is it a crowd full of wrestling fans?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. So, you know, I'd
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: come out, like, you know, with the fitted, you know
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And just, like, dressed like myself. I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: was always dressed. And he'd be doing the same thing.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: And Cena's out there with no shirt on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, literally.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Fucking sweatpants and all that shit.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Nah, he is.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Giant chain.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: That was with Bumpy Knuckles on that tour.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on the tour. Yeah, those are great
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: times because I've been a wrestling fan my whole life.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: And then I chilled a little bit, but when he
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: was in the ring, I'm like, oh, my God.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: That's our boy.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I got the soul.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's got all the Mitchell and Ness. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: The throwbacks, it was like, this is just incredible. You
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: So I got really back into it, and I probably
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: appreciate it for the same reason you do. Is he like....
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Aware of how big the Czarface thing has gotten?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just posted Frankie Pulitzer the other day. Oh,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: he did? Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: On his Instagram, yeah.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's, you know.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I tell you, it would be crazy. Because now, like,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Cena's like, I feel like he's bored for sure. By
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: the way, busy guy.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Like, he's doing movies.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Just a little bit.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: But, like, I feel like if you guys catch him
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: in the right pocket of off-season, Czarface meets John Cena?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: It could happen.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Well got Dustin back there he's drooling back there he's
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: standing up the brain of this it could all be
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: it could all just be hey Comic Con New York's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: next month yeah you.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Guys let's talk to Peacemaker even if it's just a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: 12 inch you know even if it's.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Just a record yeah yeah what is I.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Always hear like if you are a part of I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: have a friend of mine Mega Ran who did the
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: last yeah that's family from Phoenix Grammy nominated yeah yeah
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: so mega ran he did the new day song um
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: but i was here like what is like the business
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: side of like doing a theme song for ww they
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: just cash you out you get pub like how does.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: That now that one i don't have nothing for that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: you know are you just.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Like it's just like i fuck it we're gonna we're
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: in playstation 2 no.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: We just no but you gotta pay for that did
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: i Jesus Christ.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: That's how we got his range roller. No, no, no.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: But I will say the beats, the music we made
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: that did not make the record, he still took care
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: of me.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: So he still took care of you.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: He didn't have to.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Even the song when I was doing it, I was like,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: let's just do it.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Well, that song is like I'm the kind of guy,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: and he's been in the car with me for six
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: hours at a time before I ride around, and I
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: listen to wrestling theme songs like it's a fucking, like
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: it's Illmatic.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Okay. Oh, wow.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Okay. Like, I'm just bumping Sexy Boy by Sean Michaels
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: from front to back. And this was like, what kind
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: of gay ass shit are you? I'm like, it's Sean Michaels!
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Heartbreak Kid.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: But that is a record that has to stream like crazy. Like,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys are like, on the pub side,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it's not bad, I'm sure.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Well, you know... I got a check from WWE and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I remember it. And I just was like, holy shit.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: And it came by virtue of John, of course. And
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I was just like, wow. And then eventually the Marvel
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: and Sony situation. And then, you know, now I'm after DC.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Check you out.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: And then I can just retire.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: But with that being said, yeah, well, listen, the album
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: is out. Go support it. Czarface meets Frankie Pulitzer. Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Out right now.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: You guys have a new single out with Method Man.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Videos out.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Videos out.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Any other video shot?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have an animated video that came out before. Oh,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: I saw that one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so that was
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: kind of felt like inspired by Batman animated series. It
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: was done by my man James Rotano from TFU. And yeah,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: we lean heavy on actual animation and love it and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: want it to exist. There's actually the same guy that
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: did MF Doom's all caps video. And so it was
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: great working with him again.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: I think Zarface should meet Run the Jewels on a song.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Would love that, man.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Obviously, LP's on the new shit, but I just feel
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: like an official, maybe like a rap Comic-Con nerd's wet dream.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to do that, man. I wanted
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: to get one in with LP first, and we were
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: able to do that, and maybe that will be in
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: the future.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Zar TJ.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: What is the better animated series, X-Men or Batman?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Batman.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Because I think those are the two best.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I do too. It's tough. It's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: like asking me if I like Marvel better or DC better.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just one of those guys. I like both of them.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: I like them both too. I'm a Batman guy. I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: fucking hate Superman. Really? It's just like I hate Captain America.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: A couple of pussies.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: You get it.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: You guys are so fucking perfect. But Batman's a dark motherfucker.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Superman. I love Cap.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I love Batman. Not too many guys I don't like.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I like Super Dog. I like the fucking dog. I'm
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: a big dog guy.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: I'm probably a bigger dog guy than you are. We
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: could do a whole podcast. I have two, but one
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: has a split personality, so that's three for me too.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I got a Pomeranian. I don't have real dogs. I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: got a cat. My wallpaper is my dog. Oh, shit.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Mine's my dog too. one of them but yeah but
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: we could uh if you want to go into a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: podcast about dogs we could do that.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Do you have a do you have a dog podcast
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: a dog cast.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: No the dog cast see there it is clip that
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: uh uh yeah uh i'm just i'm a real uh
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: you know What kind of dogs do you have? I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: got a Lab and a Hound. They're both real dogs
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: because they're both over 50 pounds. They're both rescues, and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: they both have a lot of trauma.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: My friend, one of my best, so I got my Pomeranian.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know how I got him.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: I got him. Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I had him as a puppy, but one of my
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: best friends is one of these pieces of shit who
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: started breeding Frenchies during the pandemic.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: So he gave me the run of two litters for free.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: So I got two retarded Frenchies.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, they are ridiculous.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, absolutely. And when I say retarded, I'm not
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: saying it in an offensive 90s way. I mean, they're retarded.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Look up the definition, two retarded dogs.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: I think any dog wants, whether it's a purebred dog
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: or a mixed, whatever it is. Yeah, they're mutants.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: They've been bred so much, their faces shouldn't look like that.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: One of them's a furry. I got a furry friend.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: He shouldn't exist. He's like a fucking Pokemon. He's like
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: a Labubu. I want to hang him off of my
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: belt loop.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to make it clear, like your dogs,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: even though they're like bite size.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Bite size and retarded.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: They're every bit as much of a dog. as my dogs. No, no,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: you have a lab. Your lab is, you got a
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: real dog. Well, I think all dogs are real dogs.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: I want to, you know, but if I had a choice,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I would take a lab.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up a lab, so I get it.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: That's a real dog. That's a smart dog.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Smart dog, loving dog.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: If like vampires took over, you feel good as your
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: plus one is a lab.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Like you could get some shit done.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Or a German Shepherd.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Or a German Shepherd. Yeah. My dog, vampires take over,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: we're fucked. I'm going to use them as bait.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah alright so this concludes.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: This I have to shout out my dog real quick
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: let's get your dog hey by the way I'm sure
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: he's going to fucking watch this.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: But his dog Buggy is in the witness protection program
• 1:19:33
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