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Patriots Unfiltered 1/12: Offseason Outlook, Robert Kraft/Bill Belichick Report, Wild Card Weekend Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Origion Pockets Welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. After I woke myself
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  Speaker 1: up at seven forty five after traveling back from Buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: I woe is me? I shouldn't have said that. Anyways.
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  Speaker 1: Everything this team does like they do nothing right, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, that's a great rant have They love that?
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  Speaker 1: But Conky is a slot receiver. Keep chasing the untalented
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  Speaker 1: bumps and keeps seeing you like that without breathe. I
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  Speaker 1: remember Paul calling West Welker Pockets. I wish he took
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  Speaker 1: a rocket shot at me just now. Freddie's one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent right because I said that bottom, I would love it.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be so mean to Evan. I thought that was
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  Speaker 1: a really great throw and get shut up, like, oh
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  Speaker 1: I love him. You the four of you are no
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  Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers. Oh I don't want the back to
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  Speaker 1: back league MVP? Like what is wrong with you? People's
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  Speaker 1: I think he has the best skills that I've seen. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you hate him and you don't want him here. I
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  Speaker 1: can make one point before you break. This is Patriot's Unfiltered,
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  Speaker 1: fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It
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  Speaker 1: is Thursday here at Jolette Stadium, and uh uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: big news yesterday or big report yesterday from Tom Kern.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna leave right off with that that the meeting
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  Speaker 1: between Bill Belichick and Robert Craft did in fact happen,
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  Speaker 1: and Bill is open to making changes. So basically we're
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  Speaker 1: going to continue our discussion from yesterday about what those
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  Speaker 1: changes might be. But you know, before we get into that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's Dues, it's Tamarat's Evan, it's Paul. Matt's in
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  Speaker 1: the booth. I just want to say something about Matt
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  Speaker 1: Patricia because you know, it's it's you know, hunting season,
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Nation. Instead of killing this guy, they should be
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  Speaker 1: faking him, you know, because he was asked to do
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  Speaker 1: what he was asked to do, a job that he's
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  Speaker 1: never done before, never had experience done at really any level,
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  Speaker 1: and he did it. He accepted the job, and he
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  Speaker 1: did it to the best of his capability at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And whether or not you think it was all his fault,
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  Speaker 1: some of his fault, whatever, he did, what he was
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  Speaker 1: asked to do. That does not merit the attacks that
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  Speaker 1: you know, you could say he didn't do a good job,
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  Speaker 1: but the personal attacks. And I know I've said this before,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted we should actually be thanking him, assuming
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  Speaker 1: that changes are going to actually happen as a result
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  Speaker 1: of this meeting, Patron's nature should thank him for the effort.
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  Speaker 1: I'm serious, I really am. I mean, I agree with
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  Speaker 1: the point. I just I felt like he was putting
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  Speaker 1: an impossible position last year. How do you coach the
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  Speaker 1: offensive way bill? You know, it's it's not so. I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted I just needed to get that off my
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  Speaker 1: chest because I heard, you know, the buffoon and the
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  Speaker 1: large ass and all this stuff, and it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: not fair. You know. It's like, dude, if if I
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  Speaker 1: hired you to be a writer and then in midway
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  Speaker 1: I said, hey, can you start video editing? Could do that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll you know, I'll give it a shot. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you step up, you step up, you know, assuming you
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  Speaker 1: had never done it, you step up, and you give
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  Speaker 1: it a shot because I asked you to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then you didn't do such a good job.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's my fault. Yeah, I should I should have
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  Speaker 1: hired a video editor put me in that position. So, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to get that off my chest. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I agree with your overall point that the
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  Speaker 1: the the name calling it. I hate it too, Like
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  Speaker 1: we're better than that, right, We're better than resorted to
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  Speaker 1: name calling. What that said. It's big boy business. I know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a big boy business. He didn't do a good job.
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  Speaker 1: He did not. I'm not saying he did. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying that, oh, he did a great job. He did.
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  Speaker 1: He was asked to do a job and he did.
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  Speaker 1: It's something he's never done before. So hey, thank you,
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  Speaker 1: now goodbye. Yeah, and I'm not saying you fire him, either,
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  Speaker 1: reassign him. And let's you know, assuming you know that
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  Speaker 1: the talk yesterday included what are we gonna do with OC?
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  Speaker 1: And so now we can jump into what we think
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  Speaker 1: will come from yesterday's meeting precisely. I think that he
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  Speaker 1: played the hand he was dealt and it wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: great hand, but he did the best he could with
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  Speaker 1: what he had. Yeah, and now, like I said Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: the band aid's being ripped off. So I'm super excited that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of what we talked about was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where's Bill's mindset right now? Does he think
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  Speaker 1: that everything went well this year? Does he think that
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't need to make any changes? Well, clearly he
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  Speaker 1: does think there's needs to be changes made. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to see what's going I want to throw something
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  Speaker 1: out there. Do you guys, do you find it at
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  Speaker 1: least a little curious that Matt that Tom Current is
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  Speaker 1: the only one to have this report? Yes, I do,
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  Speaker 1: I do. I mean, it's just it feels like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: thanks Tom, We're okay now, like I mean, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not questioning it. It's just funny how well Tommy Current
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  Speaker 1: said it's gonna be okay. So I guess this is
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  Speaker 1: what it is. You know, I just say, do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he it it's gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 1: He just said that, you know, reported it. Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 1: is open to making changes. Somebody told Tom Curran that
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  Speaker 1: the meeting in fact took place and that Bill was
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  Speaker 1: open to making changes, right and he and only him,
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  Speaker 1: because I assume if somebody else got it, they'd be
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  Speaker 1: right out there, you know, So why why him? Why
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  Speaker 1: only him? Tell me some of the details also were
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  Speaker 1: very very specific, so it was almost like he was
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  Speaker 1: in the room, right. It's it's obviously coming from somebody
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  Speaker 1: pretty high up, because I don't think Tom would put
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  Speaker 1: his name on something that he's not one hundred percent on.
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  Speaker 1: I really believe that, So it's obviously coming from somebody
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  Speaker 1: that was probably in the room or adjacent to being
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  Speaker 1: in the room or whatever. But I did find it
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  Speaker 1: interesting that that that came out and no one has
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  Speaker 1: really Now I'm not saying it's wrong, I just know
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  Speaker 1: one's no one's even really confirmed it, right, I know.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm just saying is like I and I
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  Speaker 1: understood what how it was, you know, delivered, But I
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  Speaker 1: just feel like you're telling us what we want to hear, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and maybe it is true, but you're telling
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  Speaker 1: us what people want to hear, and is it true?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the proof is in the pudding with the
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  Speaker 1: moves that they're actually gonna do. So you're you're calling
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  Speaker 1: off the dogs a little bit right now with that report.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I just I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: there actually will be action. It's I just I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a fair I think that's a fair wonder. I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'm in a vast minority. I wasn't anywhere near
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  Speaker 1: as excited about the way it was phrased yesterday as
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping to be okay go on, I just
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  Speaker 1: kind of like some of the phraseology. Like Evan said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there was a paragraph there in the middle
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  Speaker 1: that I found really interesting when it said, as of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, four to fifteen or something like that, on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: they were still potentially a playoff team, and had they
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  Speaker 1: made the playoffs, it would have been possible if they
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  Speaker 1: would have kept everything the same. So I understand Bill
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  Speaker 1: is a singularly focused guy, and he was it was
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  Speaker 1: all Buffalo. I get that. That's how he's always in
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  Speaker 1: and that's how the head coach should be. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make a decision or it doesn't snap the ball until
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  Speaker 1: it was one second left on the play clock. But
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  Speaker 1: but am I to believe or infer from that that
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  Speaker 1: line that the difference between changes and no changes was
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  Speaker 1: the result of the game on Sunday? Yeah? I don't
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  Speaker 1: buy that. I mean, and that scares the crap out
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  Speaker 1: of me, right that, Yeah, Because I think it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty apparent a long time ago that they needed to
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  Speaker 1: do something different. Yeah. So, and I hope that they
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  Speaker 1: really do believe that something needs to be done. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So again I'm with Paul and I'm with you dudes,
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  Speaker 1: like when are the changes going to be made? And
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  Speaker 1: I agree with what current said this. You know, Bill
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  Speaker 1: is not going to be throwing red meat to the masses.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy's fired. This guy's fired, and we're hiring
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  Speaker 1: this guy in big press conference. No one needs That's
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  Speaker 1: that's not their style. I know everybody keeps talking about that.
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  Speaker 1: No one needs that. And I also wonder if anyone's
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  Speaker 1: actually going to get fired or whether they'll be reassigned,
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  Speaker 1: because it says several offensive coaches are under consideration for
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots twenty twenty three stat So that makes me
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  Speaker 1: feel like no one. People might not be fired, but
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  Speaker 1: they might have a new assignment. Yeah, I took that
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  Speaker 1: a different way. I did too. I took that meaning
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  Speaker 1: there are several coaches that are going to be under
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  Speaker 1: consideration to come in from the outside, right and if
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  Speaker 1: and I hope that's true, but they've better move fast
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  Speaker 1: because if there are any good other teams are looking
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  Speaker 1: at him. Well, that's why I wonder if teams, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like right, I have a guy. By the way, I
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  Speaker 1: shared this with Fred before the show. I have a guy,
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  Speaker 1: and I liked a guy. I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: who's this guy? Greg Olson? Tell us about your guy
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  Speaker 1: on the rams um And you know, I when Sean McVay,
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  Speaker 1: Sean McVay is contemplating his future, you know, oh what
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  Speaker 1: was me? I'm a head coach, I mean like twenty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars a year. But he's contemplating his future. He
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  Speaker 1: almost retired last year after they won the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: I think he might be stepping away. Um. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's burnt out. I think he's got Dick vermil syndrome
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  Speaker 1: a little bit McVeigh. But anyway, he informed his staff
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  Speaker 1: that they're free to explore rather opportunities because he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to hold them hostage, even if they're under a contract. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Greg Olsen has no no, no no, not the tight end
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  Speaker 1: he is. And he's a little older than I would like.
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  Speaker 1: He's fifty nine, not that you know. Fred told me
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  Speaker 1: not to be an agist. I'm not an agist. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously I'm fifty four, so I'm not an agist. He
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  Speaker 1: spent some time with the Raiders last year and arguably
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  Speaker 1: had the best success with Derek Carr. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders had a pretty good offense last year. He's been
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  Speaker 1: with the Rams previously. He had a really good year
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  Speaker 1: with Jared Goff I think in the Super Bowl year.
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  Speaker 1: But he's a guy that comes from and here's where
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  Speaker 1: everyone's going to fill in some blanks for me. He's
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  Speaker 1: under Sean McVeigh, which is sort of part of that
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan tree and some of that offense and some of
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  Speaker 1: the some of the principles and concepts that I think
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  Speaker 1: think Bill wants to incorporate, and he could be available. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I hate the idea of them being a Shanahan offense,
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  Speaker 1: I really do. But if he wants to be a
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  Speaker 1: Shanahan offense and he's got Hi, you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: get over that. I just I just don't think if
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  Speaker 1: it's the personnel, I think you gotta start over. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: the only offensive line that you have currently on the
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  Speaker 1: roster that fits it as cold strange. So you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna run outside zone with a three hundred and forty
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  Speaker 1: pound guard talking about Mike on WEENU Like, you're just
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  Speaker 1: not doesn't fit Ramander Stevenson in an outside zone. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want him trying to bounce it out the out
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  Speaker 1: the on around the corner like you want Mac Jones
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  Speaker 1: bootlegging and throwing on the move. Well, I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I feel you actually said on Tuesday, and
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. What Bill might think of the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback is maybe sure, But I just and I know
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  Speaker 1: it's worked with Jimmy Garoppolo to an extent, and he's
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  Speaker 1: not exactly the most fleet of foot quarterback either. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't really love I think you're completely overhauling not
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  Speaker 1: only the offense in terms of scheme, but I think
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  Speaker 1: you're also completely overhauling the offensive terms of personnel. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you have to do that. I think
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  Speaker 1: you have some good personnel on offense. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's all terrible. So I think that that's a big step.
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  Speaker 1: But you like him over Zach Robinson. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: as much about Zach Robinson other than when he was here,
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  Speaker 1: But right, I'll I'll take. I want somebody new. I
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  Speaker 1: want someone from the outside coming in. I love Bill O'Brien,
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  Speaker 1: and I when I say I love him, I love him.
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  Speaker 1: I loved talking to him, I love dealing with him
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  Speaker 1: on both the personal level of in professionally. I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's more more of the same. I'm not sure that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it could very well be Bill O'Brien comes
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  Speaker 1: back here and we're fine, you know, and it might
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  Speaker 1: be a simple we don't have to look. It's the
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  Speaker 1: simple solutions sometimes the obvious one, right. If it's not
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  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, and then everybody keeps saying, then who, And
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  Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of examples Zach Robinson. I'm fine.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Evan can sell me on Zach Robinson. So
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  Speaker 1: if guy could cover kicks like a banshee in like
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, I mean, in preseason, if it
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  Speaker 1: if it is going to be Bill O'Brien, what's the delay?
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  Speaker 1: Is it him, you know, fielding other offers, or is
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  Speaker 1: it the Patriots waiting to see who shakes loose? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta imagine he's going to be in the mix
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  Speaker 1: in Houston and Tennessee. I mean, he's he's going to
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  Speaker 1: be in demand Wollens, possibly Vegas. I just I mean
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  Speaker 1: I have a real concern. Maybe the Jets too, who
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  Speaker 1: also need Yeah, I mean I got a real concern
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  Speaker 1: that unless it's maybe Bill O'Brien or one or two
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  Speaker 1: other guys, they're not going to have an offensive cording
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna do with a team thing. Again, like a
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  Speaker 1: real concern. That's why story. You're gonna bring some new
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  Speaker 1: new new people in probably and there'll be some actual
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  Speaker 1: offensive coaches. But I don't think anybody's getting the offensive cornery.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna continue to be this we're gonna do it
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  Speaker 1: by ken. I don't think that. To me, that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the changes i'd ask for if I'm Robert Kraft,
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  Speaker 1: is like, give the guy the title in the job.
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  Speaker 1: So what if that's like Bill O'Brien's thing where he's
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  Speaker 1: just like, I don't want to come in here and
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  Speaker 1: be part of a Yeah, I think he would. I
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  Speaker 1: think he would be had already been at in the end,
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  Speaker 1: he'd be the offensive coordinator if it was him. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna go back with Tom Curran reports,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Curran is reporting that there's been no contact between
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots and Bill O'Brien, Right, So what's the delay
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  Speaker 1: if if you're interested? You know, yeah, I mean this
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  Speaker 1: advantage now I'm afraid what you said, touson what you said, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, Bill said, Yeah, I'm not happy either.
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  Speaker 1: Changes have to be made. But what's the pacing of
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  Speaker 1: those changes? You know? Uh? Are we just gonna wait
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  Speaker 1: and I take it, make a decision when there's no
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  Speaker 1: other there's no time left. Or are we gonna be
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  Speaker 1: proactive and we're gonna be aggressive and get what we want,
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  Speaker 1: not what's left? I mean, I to continue this point though,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think anybody's going to be happy unless
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  Speaker 1: there is a named offensive coordinator. And even if they
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  Speaker 1: bring in somebody who has potentially coordinated an offense elsewhere,
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  Speaker 1: can will they get that title here? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that that's going to be a sticking
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  Speaker 1: point even if they have an offensive coach on that
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball, if they continue to not have coordinators.
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  Speaker 1: And I I think the defensive side of the ball
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  Speaker 1: is interesting as far as this as well, because if
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  Speaker 1: Mayo leaves, does Steve Belichick get the defensive coordinator job?
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  Speaker 1: I mean he kind of deserves it, should, you know,
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  Speaker 1: But do they not? Do they not? Because then it
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  Speaker 1: makes them seem like they have to give an offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator too, you know, like are those two connected, Like
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  Speaker 1: do they have to make those moves at the same
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  Speaker 1: time or could they just continue to go no coordinator route?
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  Speaker 1: Why does it have to be so complicated? I know,
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  Speaker 1: I hear you. I hear you, right, And I think
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  Speaker 1: that these are the kinds of questions that Evans see.
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  Speaker 1: Evan's just coming in now with us for a year,
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  Speaker 1: Like these are the kinds of things that drive me
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  Speaker 1: insane because somehow they've convinced others. They've convinced Pat is okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is but this is this is part of the
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  Speaker 1: reason they win. Right, we heard it all offseason. You
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hire or a defensive an offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: because then the other teams that you're playing would understand
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  Speaker 1: the tendencies of the offensive coordinator. Like this is really
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  Speaker 1: what some people think that these things help them win,
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  Speaker 1: and I would argue they actually hurt you. They actually
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  Speaker 1: prevent you from spending time worrying about actual football. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: when you're winning an unprecedented amount of games, and it's
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  Speaker 1: easy to point to seven different things that that are
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  Speaker 1: part of it. And now when nothing's really working and
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  Speaker 1: you have a crappy offense, that's near the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the league at every important stat you can't really when
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  Speaker 1: your quarterback is a de facto offensive coordinator in his
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  Speaker 1: own right, just gives you so much freedom ye start
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  Speaker 1: to a game. I agree with Deuce's point about if
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  Speaker 1: they do the we don't believe in titles thing again,
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  Speaker 1: I think people won't be happy. I'm pretty sure that
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  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia will not be calling plays next year. But
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  Speaker 1: if it's just sort of a mishmosh and you know,
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  Speaker 1: shell game, we're gonna move this guy over here and
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  Speaker 1: move that guy over here, and there's no like hiring
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: of an offensive coordinator, then I don't think that's gonna work.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: That's that's where I'm keep reading that sentence in the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: article where it says reassignments are going to happen. That
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: makes me feel like people are just gonna be moved around.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Well reassignments, Well, reassignments is not going to be the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: offensier and he shouldn't get fired and he's not. Yeah,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get Can I get moved
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: back upstairs? Yeah? I like that. Why not just making
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator? Yeah, because I think Steve is better
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: at it than him. He might be, he might be,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: you know. I know that's the other thing. A lot
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of people, you know, get on Bill about the you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the I hate that nepotism and all that stuff. But
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Brian and Steve could in their own right be good.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And he was a good play caller. So like, if
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: they're good, they're good. I don't care who their daddy is.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm serious, you know, So, like I mean,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: it's been happening and and and the other thing about it.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And I'll bet you, I'll bet you that I sit next.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I'll bet you that the other coaches and players see
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Bill being harder on Steve than he is on anyone else. Yeah,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Like the bar for Steve, at least internally has to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: be higher because he comes in with the heys the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: coach's son, So he has to perform higher to get
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the attention of the players, in the respect of the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: players because he is the coach's son. So in many ways, yeah,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: he got the job. But once you get the job,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you got to prove yourself. And I think he's done
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: or he's doing that, if you know, if Bill didn't
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: give him the DC title. Though, when Mayo left why
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: why do you think he would do I think I
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: think it's optics. I think he just he just you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: which is annoying because because like I know, some Mike Shanahan,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: like you know, gives Kyle the OC title in Washington
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and nobody bats an eye at that, right, But if
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: he does it here, I just I come to Steve's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: defense because I really feel like he's called the defense
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: very well for two to three years now. I really do.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But you don't think the Schottenheimer's and Shanahan's have gotten
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: criticism for hiring their kids in the past. I guess
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. I'm not as plugged into those situations.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: But that's a good point because maybe my delusion of
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: having to spend so much time with Felder and Masks, Yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: maybe it isn't necessarily an accurate cross view of most people.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have that criticize, but you know, a
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: lot of times these kids are good. I mean, you've
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: been around the fricking team for like twenty years. I
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: mean absolutely, you know, I don't I so have I Yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't give me any credentials. You know, A lot of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it could be like, Okay, you know, out of respect
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to Gerard, Like Girard's part of it too. I don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: want to name Steve DC, and people think that Gerard
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: isn't as good, you know, so that could be part
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of it. Like while Mayo's here, he's not going to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: give anyone the title, but once one of them goes
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and it looks like it's going to be growd. Okay, yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: now Steve, you're the DC. I get. I kind of
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: get that. I kind of get that. I didn't be
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: interesting to see what Mayo does as a play caller
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and just what kind of defensive coordinator is if he
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: goes somewhere, you know, just to you know, it's hard
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to extrapolate who does what, but I mean, I think
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: everybody has kind of come to the conclusion. Steve calls
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the plays, Gerard kind of calls the sideline, and they
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: kind of tag team other stuff. But I definitely if
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I was hiring, if I was interested in hiring Gerard,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that would be part of my interview is like Gerard,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what do you do there? And what have you done? No,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm serious, what's your role? What's your role? And what
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: have you done to earn looks as DC? Because I
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: have to be honest with you, looking in, I don't
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: know where the you know, the the roles are, what
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the responsibilities are, So tell me what your responsibility was
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and why that you know gives you the cred to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: be now a DC. I want to know that you
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: saying all that, it's kind of just like why they
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: won't name one because they're like, see it's working, nobody
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: knows who's who's doing what. Yeah, that right there, But
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that does that help them win games? It doesn't. All right,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that's Paul's point and Mayo's going, so it's not helping
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: you retain your coaches, it's not helping anything at all.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I just feel like, literally since I've been here, it's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: like they're like, we're the New England Patriots and we
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: don't have to do anything that anyone else is doing.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: We can do everything our own way. That's the vibe
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I've gotten since I've been here. That's the vibe nobody else.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: We do everything in our own way and and it
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And you know, people look at Bill is like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of straight lace. He's a rebel, he
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: really is. He's he's a rebbel, rouser. He's been all
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: his life. You know, he goes against the mother, he
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: goes against the grain a lot, you know, like he
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was the guy like like you know, there's all kinds
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of like examples, like he's the guy that wouldn't pose
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: for the coach's photo for all. He won't. He doesn't
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: go into Madden. He won't be there's always some random
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: dude coach in the Madden he's he's not. He doesn't
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: always go with the flow. You know. That's a coach
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: required ten and that's his tensive. You're just adding unnecessary
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: stress and complication for no reason. Like your life can
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: be so much simpler if you just do think. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: will say this though, on the defensive side of the ball,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: we we don't know what's going on. The players and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the coaches knows what's going on on that side of
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the ball. The offense is a totally different story, uh
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: from everything that I've heard from the players in the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: locker room. Is that where Gerard's value really is that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: he's a great presenter. Okay, so he's usually the one
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that gets into the front of the room and presents
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the game plan to the defense. And he's very very good.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Because I would assume a lot because he played as
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: able to retain and relay that you got the one
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: making the game plan and well he I think that's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a collaborative thing between him and Steve. And then obviously
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Built comes over the top and says the way but again,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: if I'm hiring him as the DC, yeah, that's not
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: our that's not not how we're set up. What what kid?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: What have you done Gerard to give me the confidence
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that you can not only present, but you can come
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: up with the scheme. Yeah, well, I think it's because
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: gona need to do that. I mean for me, I
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: would look at as if I was in girod Mao's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: position doing the things like that Evan just laid out.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'd be frustrated because I would feel like it's almost
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: like practicing football all week and then you get into
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the game and you're just kind of like, all right,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Nickel personnel go like you're just calling personnel. You're not
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: in the game, you're not calling the plays, You're not
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you know, like like I imagine as a coach and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a play caller, that that's what you want to do.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean I imagine that he is like hear and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Steve call plays and like okay, okay, like not that
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: there's you know, controversy behind them, but I just if
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I was that guy and I want to coach, I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: want to call plays, I want to be in the game.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I want to be that guy, not the guy who's
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: all right, guys, this is what we're gonna do this week,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you know, like that stuff that's not the fun part.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: The relationship is a lot like brothers, I would say,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: where like there's some there's some tension there just because
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that's the nature of their two positions. But those guys
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: are inseparable there. They're there with each other all the time. Um,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because they there's definitely on the surface
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it does not appear that there's any sort of animosity
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: or tension between the two of them. But just the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: nature of their their job is obviously that there's gonna
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: be some some power struggle there a little bit, which
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I do I has to exist, but I don't think
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it's anything personal at all. Yeah, i'd agree. I mean,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: they play catch a lot. They spend a lot of
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: time and we've seen it even in the building a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: lot walking out together always. Yea, they spend a lot
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of time quite the pair quite the pair. Yeah, so,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: but i'd want to root out in an interview, D
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: what exactly did you do that well? And he's like,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I was a defensive play caller for the team when
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I played, so like I mean, I you know, I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I he knows the role. And say, I mean if
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: your Mayo, you could say I ran the defense. The
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: coach his son got the credit for calling the place,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Like it's an easy interview process if you wanted to
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: do it that way. Like, I don't think that's a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: big deal now whether or not it's accurate and you're
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: hiring the right guy if you're you're I don't know, ye, Like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how great these coaches are. It sounds
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like in Cleveland it's gonna be Brian Flores. Oh yeah,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that's he's the first one in, and and that that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: seems to be the consensus is that he's the front
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: runner for sure. Like I made the argument with with
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: my my boys on my show yesterday. You know, they
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: were like, you know what kind of messages that send
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: when you if you let Mayo go? And then and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, what if Steve Beliticcks a better
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: coach than Gerard Mayo right, And I'm not saying I'm
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: not saying that he is. Please don't put words in it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: But what I but I'm asking what if Yeah, they know?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Like so I don't, I don't think And they were like, well,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: it just sends a bad message because the players look
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: at it as the you know, the coaches. Sounds like, well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the players also know if the coach's son is a right,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: is a worthy coach. They know if he's any good.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Now I have my question. It's about that. I don't
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: know what they all think, right, but just saying like
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: just just to make a blanket statement and saying what
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: kind of messages it sends, Well, it sends no message
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: because if Mayo is going because there's a guy ahead
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of him, what who cares what the guy's last name is?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: If he's ahead of him, if he's a better coach, yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I just I think it's that big a deal.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: What about Mayo to Tennessee? Are they most of the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: coaches they've got rid of their offensive? Okay, I don't
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: think on the d d ND, I'm sure that's Fray
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Bulls show. Yeah. Anyway, I just I just say, like
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: when we got to actually see Mayo last week at
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the podium. I think it's one of the first times
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen him just kind of speak at a podium.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He's he's he's got it, you know, like he just
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: has that engaging personalities. He is. Liked Evan's point about
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: he's a presenter. Yeah, he's like he articulates, articulate. This
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: guy is ahead point as well. Yeah, we're talking about
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that on Tuesday, like how important it is that you
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: need to be a great teacher. Yes, oh yeah. So
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the guy that I think that they're grooming to potentially
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: take over from Mayo if Mayo does leave, his DeMarcus Covington,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: who a lot of the players really like in that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: locker room, and this year I think he talked, took
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: on a little bit more responsibility on the sideline on
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: game day and stuff like that as well. He's a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: defensive line coach currently, so I think that they're they
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: have him in the wings. Like I just yeah, he
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: did the like development he went to was some part
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of some program last year. I just himself. I guess
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just not worried about the defense if if Mayo leaves,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: But it's mostly because of Bill, but I just they
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: lose Patricia, their defense is fine. They lose Flores, their
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: defense is fine. Completely agree. I don't worry about the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: coaching on defense or about the players. We started talking
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: about this seven because you said, why don't you just
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: put Patricia as DC said, Oh you said it, somebody
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: said it. It's like, well, you don't need to do that. Yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: if you want to move Patricia back over the defense
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: side of the ball just to fill out the staffa
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on that side of the ball, I mean, it's ridiculous
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that you're bouncing the guy around. But I would much
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: rather on that side of the ball coaching linebackers like
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: he used to do, or something like, say he's defensive coach.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: If you're losing a defensive you know, personnel then right,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they want him to coach, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: he used to coach linebackers for the Patriots, Ron Mayo
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: coaches linebackers for the Patriots right now. So if Gerard
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Mayo gets hired by somebody else and you want Patricia
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to go back to coaching linebackers like he used to do,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: then that's st Yeah, but then you can't really take
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: play calling from Steve to give it to him. So
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: is he going to be read like you go from
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: making him do too much to now he's just kind
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of the guy on the sideline like Gerard is doing
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the play. Oh, you give other things to do. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: just wanted do you think it's more likely that he
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: goes up to up back to the football advisor role
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: or coaches the offensive line. Like I from what I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: heard before he was given the offensive duties was that
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he was getting really involved in personnel and he was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: actually building up that department, like from software up to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: people who work in there. He was like building his
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: own department there. And so that's I was really surprised
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in the off season when we found out he was
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: now going to be a play caller, and because I
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: thought that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: get more involved in the general manager personnel side of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: football because he was sick of coaching. So after that true,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: after that Detroit experience, if that's true and you thought
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that that's what he wanted to do, then I would
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: expect deuces scenario here. And if I'm right to go
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: back to then the thank you becomes even bigger because
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: he basically took a year off from his career path
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to help out the team. I mean I don't mean
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it as a shutter. I mean I mean I think
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: we should just buy him, like you know, I do
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Rose a new car. Yeah, I mean the sacrifices that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: this man made. I mean, he's so like, why do
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you have to like thank him? He did a terrible job,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: but you don't have to call him names. I get that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I thought, I'm like thatself. Well, I don't need to.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I mean we really we should thank him to him,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: thank you for wasting a year of Jones. Well, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I've been ruining our first round quarterback. I made twenty
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: nine minutes before I addressed that open. Well, but I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: do think that we were supported, supportive, but we were
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: understanding of that decision along. I mean they said it
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: from the get go. How does Matt Patricia have a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: good season? He is stacked up against the odds. There
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was no way it was going to happen. And at
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the very least, he was gonna catch crap the whole
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: season long for the blocking, for the offensive coordinating, Like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's still could have done a better job.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Oh no, And I but how many people were just
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: like Josh. Oh my god, Josh the worst play caller, Like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: oh my god. And then Josh leaves and you're like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: oh wow, actually we could have used probably him a
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, like it's I don't I just
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: if I feel like criticism a play calling is such
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: a like Paul is very much like I only give
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: credit with credits due. Well there you go. Yeah, I mean,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like Josh my based business. And that's the thing is,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: if any of us performed in our job the way
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia did, nobody would be thanking us. They'd be
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: thanking us for our time and please go away. Oh man,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I imagine what that it looks like. And listen. I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: am very much sympathetic to what he had to go
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: through in terms of taking the bullet, like they got
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: stuck with with what they felt were no options. Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and he did it. He did them a solid, but
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it didn't go well, no, it didn't. I can appreciate
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't. But he doesn't need to have his
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: name like and he not for his performance like the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: name calling, like Evans said, like, you don't have to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like criticize his appearance because you didn't like the way
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: he called plays like that's where I would say, is
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: it's unfair, and that happens a lot. I mean, I
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: do think you got to point out that he's kind
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: of getting it pretty good for wearing the Goodell barstool shirt.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And now people are, you know, like like some of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it some of it was actually we haven't heard that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: for a while, but we criticized him. Well, there's a
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: lot of people who have now made the Matt Patricia
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: version of the barstool shirt of him. But I didn't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: know that with the with the I didn't know the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the other thing though, And I also have gripe to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: pick with you from your felgram Mas appearance yesterday talking
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: about Paul. Yeah, but I have a feeling I know
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: what it is, but I'm gonna go with this first
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: though they had other options like this, they think that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: we can't let them off the hook for that though,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: because they had other they had other options internally. Again,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: like everybody keeps asking me about Nick Kaylee, Like I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: would have much rather have seen Nick Kayley fail on
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the job than it did than to do what they did.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: At least I would say, oh, it's an offensive guy
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't ready for that yet Yeah, yeah, you
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, even if he was just as
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: bad as Patricia was. Yeah, so what's the nitpick? Oh yeah,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: So I listened to you on felgra Mas. It was great.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just blowing smoke. Good job, okay, but I
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  Speaker 1: disagree with with everything you said. No, not everything. I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: disagree with one big thing what you said. No one
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. Why said that to you on Tuesday? I'm
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: out on Cliff Kingsbury, but you're you're reasoning that you're
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: out on Cooking. He's been surrounded by immense offensive talents
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and really hasn't had great offenses at Texas Tech. At
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech, they he put up forty five a game
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech does on everybody in that right, yes, right,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and they lost and they were top five in the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in all of FBS in every category on offense and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they win. They lost all the games. I'm not asking
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: them to record. I'm not asking him to be the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: head coach. The reason why he got fired at Texas
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Texas because they had no defense. He couldn't build up
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the defense. The defense, right, yeah, I mean, I don't
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: care about all of the teams are operating the same
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: way he had. We're not making them the defense. I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: don't think we're making them the defensive and every generational
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: player at the most important position. And he threw for
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: five thousand yards in fluched. He couldn't win with him.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: He couldn't win with him. But they were like twelve fifteen.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking I'm not asking him to do that though,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: but I'm asking him to find a way to score
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: enough points to win the games. And they scored forty
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: five a game, but it required fifty five, Like you
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: gotta do it. He had a guy that the other
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: teams didn't defense and more importantly than the Mahomes part
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of it, which I had a feeling that that's what
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you were going to pay. He hasn't had good offenses
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. He hand picked the guy. He actually said
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: before he left Texas Tech, it would be Kyler Murray.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: If I had the first pick, it wouldn't even be
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And then he got the job and he took Kyler Murray.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I mean they were by the way, It's not like
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is like, you know, given all the mac
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Jones excuses, like you know, I know, we don't have
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: any receiver. They had him like, really good talent around him,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and for other than one half of one season that
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: he was there, they were kind of average at best.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: And this year they they stunned offense. Theoriously pointed that
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: out to me. You heading into the Arizona game, then
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: he notoriously fades down the stretch. That's that's a big
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: thing with him post Thanksgiving or whatever you want to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: call it. Uh, he that that does happen with them.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But I like it for two is one because it
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: would be fun as hell for me. Like I just
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: watch He's just a really creative schemer. So the different
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: things that they would do in terms of formations in
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: motion and all this kind of stuff that I always
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: geek out about, that would be a lot of fun.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: The other thing that I like about him is that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: he played quarterback, and I think that when you see
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: across the league a lot of the young quarterbacks, when
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: they get with a guy that played the position, it
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: brings out the best in them. You know, I think
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that that really does matter. It just you have this
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: you're of like mind right, like you're on the same page. Yeah,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I get it. I just so you had said that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you don't want a Shanahan guy because you don't think
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: it fits mac Jones, but like you want like an
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: air Raid guy because you think it does fit Mac Jones.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I think that there are elements of ahead, listen. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: think there are elements of it to do. I think
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that the biggest reason. So they tried to be a
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: gun team this year, right they that's what they were.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: They were spread team. They tried to spread the field.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And I think when you play that type of offense,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: for the most part, you better have good receivers because
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna do that, then your guy, your receivers
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: got to win one on one matchups because you're not
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: going to use misdirection in motion and play action and
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: all these bells and whistles to get guys open. You're
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: just going to expect the guy to beat the guy
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: across from you. So I think Cliff does a little
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: bit more of that type of stuff. What he really does, though,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: is you know he'll start in trips like three to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the side, and then he'll motion a guy and then
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it will be four strong, and that's like really difficult
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to defend four strong to one side of the field.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: So he uses a lot of those types of formation
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: manipulation to get guys open as more than just one
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: on one. I also think that he would really help
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: them on early downs. I think they'd be a lot
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: more innovative on how they called first down. Well, listen,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna ask me Matt Patricia again or Cliff Kingsbury,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a thousand times Cliff Kingsbury. You like the other options.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: So when you were saying like he'll do more, th
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: absolutely like what We're not going to have a repeat
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of twenty two, right, you know, regardless of who we pick.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: So I'm not telling you I am unequivocally Cliff Kingsbury
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: can't spell offense. I don't want him anywhere near my offense. No.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: If i'm if I'm faced with the options and he's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the best one, I'll take it. I just don't think
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: his track record is anywhere they're as strong as people
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: think it is. And I think if he wasn't a
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Patriot's draft pick, people would consider him another one of
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: those guys who've just flamed out, like different kind of offense,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: but like Frank Reich. I wouldn't be opposed to a
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: guy like Frank Reich yeah, Kingsbury's not my number one choice.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: My number choice would be Bill O'Brien, but he's my
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: number two choice. I just Frank Reich worries me because
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I think that that's a very It's kind of like
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the Shanahan thing, Like that's a very like you're hiring
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: him to run his system and it's very hyper specific,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't love the system. So I like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I like with all different things. And again, if we're
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: faced with the options, he could be the best one
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: King's body. So don't you think it'd be like great
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to hire said persons sooner rather than later so you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: could get the pieces to fit whatever system. I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the deadline is the hard The hard deadline to me
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: is the combine because right now the coaches go on
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: vacation like they're going to be on a week and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a half evidently, right So I think the hard deadline
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: because once you get to the combine, Nats, when team
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: building really is starting well pleasure, you're starting to think
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: about what you're gonna you know, where are you going
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: to go in free agency, where you're going to go
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in the draft, the kinds of players you're gonna require,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: you need to have, you know, an idea of what
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: kind of system you're gonna run by. Yeah, well, and
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I have a question on those lines. But do you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: think that what's the most likely thing that they're going
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: to bring in an offensive coordinator who has their own
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: system that they will then install, that they will bring
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in somebody who has their own system, but that we're
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: going to kind of make it our own, little Patriots Frankenstein,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: using some of what we had last year. Or do
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you think they're going to bring somebody in and be like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: this is our system, this is our playbook, this is
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: what you have to you know. I I gotta be
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: honest with you. I think that that they're incapable of
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: bringing somebody in who doesn't know their system. Yeah, that's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and having them understand it. That's why I ask. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: so we just saw that what is this system that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: they ran last year was is this Bill O'Brien will
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: come in and be like, oh, I got it? Or see,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I think Bill O'Brien could come in and you could
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: say we're going to run the system. We're gonna alabama
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: ize it, you know, to an extent. You know, because
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones taught Alabama to to Bill O'Brien, So there's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: some comfort level, at least on a minor left. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: don't think anybody would argue Bill O'Brian's probably the best choice. Yeah, right,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But I also just wondered, you know, how do you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: how do you get Mac back? And I know a
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people out there can concerned about Mac third system,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: third year changing. That's why I like Bill Obrian so much,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: because it's not you're not doing that that would be
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the least invasive. Is there anybody else that's not that? Chado'shay,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: but I don't like it. Yeah, he was not good
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: in Miami with Brian Flora. I think he's a position coach. Yeah,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: so I that's why I like Bill O'Brien so much
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: is because you're basically you're running the Patriots offense and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: he ran in twenty twenty one with an Alabama flair,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: which is plus if you have a delay a game
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and you might have a fight in the middle of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the field here. But I just think that Matt, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: think that transition is really smooth for Mac. And that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: why I think sometimes that like Frank Rank brought up him,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that terrifies me, because that's that is a third system
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: in the third year, right, Like a lot of these guys,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it would be you know, if you're going outside totally,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: you probably go in third system in three years. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: since the Patriots loved to do the non obvious choice
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: or the less easiest choice, I should say then that
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: probably means they're probably not going to go with Bill O'Brien,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: log go with somebody else. But that's such a I
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from. But to me, I'll just say,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: if Bill Brian's at the offensive coordinator by the combine,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: gonna be mad. Yeah, I'm gonna be mad. He has
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: no contracts, he has no job, Okay, he wants to
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: get back into the NFL. And what better way to
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: get back into the NFL than to come back to
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: New England fix mac Jones and now you have another
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: somewhere he's not I don't think he's I don't know
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: if you will have that, okay, but sure that would
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: be the only the only thing. But I just it
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: makes sense. But after a year of doing what did
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: it make sense? You absolutely need to do the right
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: thing here, And it's so obvious and it's staring right
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: at you the guy coordinated your offense and the Alabama offense,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and that's the two offenses your quarterback played in. Yep,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: what if if? What if Bill's thinking is I'd rather
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: have somebody here that I know it's going to be
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: here for a while, Then that's a mistake. Okay. I
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: think it's the same as saving I think Sabing goes
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: every two years. He signs because he knows that his
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: guy is probably gonna get a better job after he's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: done at Alabama, because Alabama's gonna make them look good
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: because they have five star recruits all over the I've
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: said that many times about the whole conspiracy theory that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: he did Patricia last year because he knew if he
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: did O'Brien it would be a one and done. So
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that you're intentionally you're you're intentionally not doing what's in
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the best interest in the team. That's what I don't
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: like about it. You should hire the coach that's going
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: to put your team in the best position to succeed,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and if he has to leave after a year or
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: two and you have to find another one that you
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: think is because that's what he's only going to leave
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: if he does a good job. So that's what we're
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: trying to get back, and let's hang on to all
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: our coaches for the next ten years. If O'Brien, it's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: if it's New Orleans, Tennessee, Vegas, those are the teams
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that we've kind of heard about. Okay. I can make
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: an argument that the Patriots is better than New Orleans
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: because right now they don't know better than Tennessee because
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: who knows about the health status of Tannehill. Now. I
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: think if he went to the Raiders, it would probably
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: be with an understanding that we're doing something big, you know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: But otherwise he might look at his He knows mac
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Jones a little bit. He knows what he can do
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and what he can't do. And I think O'Brien wants
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to come back here first and foremost because if this
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: is where he's from, a family, his family's here, Um
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: he hit he has, Yeah, he could come back and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: give us a Southern accent and said, I want to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: be part of the program. I think that's why he
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: wants to come back here. But I could understand if
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: he looked at it and said, you know, that's a
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: tough that's a that's a tough turnaround. I mean I'd
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: be here for Paul. I would just want to see
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: him coming back into the building and seeing you and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, reunion of you and and oh
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you're still here. He'd be all over Yea, the bro
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Hug would be uncomfortable. Hug you have until the combine.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Bill just put you on notice. He better hire somebody.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: He used to bust uh balls for me and Andy
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: like you would, which means you would get it. There
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: we go like that, all right, We're gonna take a
• 42:59
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• 43:01
  Speaker 1: about this Chris Simms revelation that he had yesterday, because
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: if it's true, I mean it's it kind of sheds
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a little light on what might have been going on
• 43:11
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  Speaker 1: Check out this snippet from the latest episode of Patch
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  Speaker 1: from the Past with James Devlin. Been lucky enough to
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: be part of a lot of wins. Yeah, and when
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: we're asked which one stands out? You know, obviously Super
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Bowls are more important than AFC championship games, but I
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: think you'd be hard pressed the top just in terms
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: of sheer skill on both sides of the ball. That
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: game in Kansas City, What do you remember about it?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, just kind of the atmosphere and everything
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  Speaker 1: that went into it. It was probably one of the
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: landmark wins for you guys, no question. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, thinking back in my football career, even from
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the starting when I was seven years old
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: till I retired in twenty twenty, that stands out as
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: the as my favorite football game I've ever played in.
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  Speaker 1: And it could, honestly like it gives me chills, Like
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: I if I didn't know the sweatshirt on it, I'd
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  Speaker 1: show my poems and goose bump. Right now, it almost
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: brings it tier to my eye honestly, because it was
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  Speaker 1: like it was just it was it was like the
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  Speaker 1: perfect team against the world environment. First of all, Kansas
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: City is a great place to play football, and when
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  Speaker 1: we were walked in there, like you could just feel
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  Speaker 1: how much we like, no one wanted us to be there, right,
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  Speaker 1: so it was us like the forty six guys on
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  Speaker 1: the field, plus you know, all the help we have
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  Speaker 1: on a sideline. So call it like seventy to eighty people.
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  Speaker 1: It was like us against you know all close to
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: ninety thousand. And this way we started the game like
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: running the ball. Well, I think we ran lead on
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the first play. Sony broke it for like thirteen or
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: something like that. And then you know, and then it
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  Speaker 1: was a goal line run bang, we score, a goal
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  Speaker 1: line run bang, we score, And it was everything was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like you know, just building and building and building,
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  Speaker 1: and we knew that they were going to break at
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: some point defensively if we just kind of kept just
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: you know, kept the punches coming and uh and then finally, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of did. And then they fought back and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: that whole like that just like EBB and flow of
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: the game and then you know, going into overtime and geez,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: like all the third downs that we converted. I mean,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like it is like lighten me up right now just
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: thinking about it. And then the final play is one
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: of my favorites of all time. And you know, standing
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: over Rex, you know as he was in the end
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: zone is like one of my favorite football memories. Um, yeah,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: it was. That was that was truly a special one.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: And just the feeling of like brotherhood that we had
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: like after we won that and like running off the
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: field and just the exuberance I'm like among like the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: misery of all the fans and the other team. It
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: was like just it was perfect, all right. That was
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: James Devlin from Patch from the Past. Uh. Paul Parillo
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and Matt Smith recently sat down with him and did
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• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that sounded like it was a good interview Paul. It
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Yeah, and you know, he
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: had a lot of very specific memories that I thought
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: were amazing, just the recall and you know, like him
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: just talking about you know, the first play was leading
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: you know, thirteen I didn't look it up, but I'll
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: bet you it was thirteen yards too. Um. Yeah, just
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: he's a good guy. Uh maybe a you know, sort
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: of an understated cog and some of those great teams,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: you know as a fullback. Um, you know, got a
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: little Andy hard in there, just out of of course
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Andy had to sneak a question appreciation. I listened to it.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: It was fun. I did a little write up off
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: at that was one of the things that the other thing, uh,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I would I would highlight that I liked. They asked him,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: you know, who's the toughest guy he had to go against,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and he actually went with the Landing Roberts in practice
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: as his toughest guy to take on, and you know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: always the first day of PADS would would sim where
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna do a lead and it's gonna be
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: me versus him in the hole, and you know, big
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: hit every single time. So I thought that was, I mean,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: no surprise with the landon roberts KAA was just I mean,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: talk about coming downhill, all right, pass from the past
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: with James Devil and check it out Patriots dot com
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Before the break, I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: kind of teased something that Chris Simms said and Matt Marine.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Matt got teed up for us. So let's listen to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: what he had to say and then we'll discuss Mac
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Jones wasn't happy. He was telling people. He wasn't happy.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: He was calling people about, hey, can you help us
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: with ideas and do stuff like that. Right from my understanding,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Belichick found out all these things. He found out that
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Mac was talking to people and all this, and there
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: was some you know, back channel, you know, conversations going
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: on behind Belichick's back, and I think that's where we
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: did get personal, all right. So that's Chris Simms and
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Chris Sims obviously the son of Phil Simms. But he
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: played quarterback and was play was here for a while, Um,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: one of those assistant coaches, low level. I think he
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: was in personnel, wasn't he Yeah, a low level Yeah,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: So he was here for like a year or two. Yeah,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a long Yeah. He spent more time with
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: us in the kitchen that he had at them, So
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I knew he wasn't long for them. But what he said,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: if true, is news um that Mac was calling around
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: outside of the circle looking for help ideas, um, which
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: tells you a lot of things that he didn't think
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: that he was getting enough ideas here. He didn't think that,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you know, they could supply him with the help that
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: he needed. That you confidence, right, and so like if
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: you're any coaching staff, but especially you know Bill, you
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: find out about that. I could see things getting a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: little frosty. And maybe that's what we saw manifest out
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: on the field. But again, if true, I don't know,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was kind of strange the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: way he said some of the stuff. Yeah, a lot
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: of you knows, and uh, you know, and if you
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: know back channel, you know, uh you know these talk
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: like I don't know he didn't. It didn't seem like
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: it was long on specifics. Yeah, I don't know. I
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: always just have with my radar up with Chris Sims reports.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know, there's this. There seems to be sometimes
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to me, ulterior motives with him and things that happened.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: But that said, I mean, taking it for what it is,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: it's uh yeah, it's bad. I mean that's and you
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: can understand why the coaching staff would be upset. I mean,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: what's worse than one of your players like going outside
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: of the building and trying to consult with other coaches
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and other players for things like I mean, I guess
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: my question would be who was he calling? So here's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: here's something now we don't He didn't say when in
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the season this happened, but let's say that it happened
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: early Bill found out about it was upset. Max's actions
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: like Minnesota doesn't show to me that this is a
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: guy who was just disciplined or given his come up
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and spy the head coach for doing like he didn't
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: seem to have any like oh I did a bad Okay,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry like that. So like that's why I kind
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: of question the severity of well, I don't know, but like,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: you know, it sounded to me like he was told
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: he did something wrong. I know, but what if he
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: didn't think he did anything wrong. Well, I'm not apologizing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, then it's even worse, you know, I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: have I have no idea if that's true. By the way,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just giving it. But his actions afterward
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: didn't come from didn't sound like somebody who had been
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: humbled recently, no more somebody who was in concurrently active conflict.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: All wait for the next time I think he's been humbled.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: All wait for the next time that Chris Sims is right.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I I take such a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: love with Mac Jones. I take such a big grain
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: and solid everything that Chris Sims says. And to Paul's point,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: whenever he tries to act like he's got sourced information,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: he never says it with any sort of conviction where
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: you actually believe what he's saying. Did you get like
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: that's it was kind of the way he said, Like
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: if you just read that quote, you'd be like wow.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: But when I heard him say it, and I actually
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: was some you know, you know, there's a lot of um,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, back channel, but talks. So I
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: wanted to pull up the quote from from Bill on
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: on Monday at the Press commerce. I think the quote
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: that's getting so much run is that Mac has the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: ability to play quarterback in this league. But the very
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: next thing he said was we have to all work
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: together to try to find the best way as a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: football team, which obviously the quarterback is an important position
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: to be more productive than we were this year. We
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: have to all work together. And I think that as
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: much as he's saying, you know, I think there's some
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: of that with Mac, right Like I think it's buy in,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: like yes, being able to to say, hey, you know,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: we take the coaching. And I think that my guess is,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: honestly is that Chris Simms is talking out of his butt.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: But I think that he's just reading the room like
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: we all have all season long. And you can see,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: okay that Mac was not sold on what he was
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: being coached because it's right there for you. And I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: think that the head coach said said it as well,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: we have to all work together. And I think at
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: times this year, from training camp on, they felt like
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Mac wasn't pulling the rope the same direction that they were. Yeah,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I think that's the bigger issue. I
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: don't know if if Chris Simms is talking out of
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: his butt, but because I think it's a big stretch
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: to say I'm reading the room and I heard that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: he's was calling outside the organization for help, for suggestions,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I think that's a big, you know, gap. But I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like I said, I didn't like the way
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: he said it, didn't say it with much conviction, you know,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: But I do think that he, like Fred said, he
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: was here. Phil Simms, Chris's father was very tight with
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, and I think there's a loyalty there. I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if that camp, the Belichick camp. Let
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: this be known. What if Phil Simpson is one of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the people he called for help. Well, that's what I'm wondering.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: That I got back to Bill, Like who would mac Jos,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, McDaniels, Sarkisian, Bill Ob Maybe maybe maybe Bob too,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: But I mean I would have think, I say, I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: would think that that he talks to chalcor Josh. You know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've been saying all year, like do
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you guys think And I know that, Like there's these wild,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: crazy rumors on Twitter now about Mac asking for a trade.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Like we talked about this like halfway through the year,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: the way it was going. He was so unhappy. Um,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's out of the remo possibility. He's like,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like, I know, you got to fix this offense,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: you know, fix it without me. You know, Derek Carr's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: now gone. Does Josh want him back? They mean they
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time hugging in Vegas, right, Yeah, Like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I just I don't think anything's off the table. If
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: you're asking me to do, I think any of these
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: things are gonna happen. I'm gonna go with logic. I'm
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: gonna take the field. Probably not. I don't think the
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: odds are you know, what is it. It's more probable
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: than not. Like, I don't think that he'll go anywhere
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: he's got. He's going through his third season. I think
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: the organization's got to do whatever he can to get
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: him back on track and figure out if he's the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be worth that fifth year option after
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the twenty three season. I think that's probably the way
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: it'll it'll unfold. Mac Jones is back and we'll see
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: what happens. But I don't rule anything out. I don't. Yeah,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: all right, well let's get some calls and emails. We've
• 1:04:34
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• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: we still have playoff picks not as many pigs, so
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to hurry as much. Yeah, Super wild Card,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: SUPERD I'm excited. I mean, although a lot of dogs,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to the division around week. But yeah,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. I mean, quarterbacks are playoffs. Got
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: a game at three o'clock on Sunday. I was like,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? I find good time to miss though.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I finally got a chance to watch the playoffs and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: now this I think that's a good time I want.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I gotta watch. I gotta watch him one and eighteen. Yeah,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: all right, let's get to the A stick of outline?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Will Philly? What's up with him? Hey? What's going on
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: for it? Hey? All due tomorrow? How y'all going? You
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: left Evan out and Tomara left? I said, I said, oh, sorry,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I ain't gona forget even you know, I'm
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: a fan of I ain't gonna forget now. Um my
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: question is this manfact not if I'm mister Krap, I'm
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: not waiting for Bill. I'm just not. I'm getting on
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the phone. I'm calling Bill O'Brien. I'm gonna man, try
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: me this trade for Hoppins. I'm not waiting for him
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: because you gotta get this done. You know, all this
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: waiting around and stuff. I mean you're doing. We want
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: to see we want to see progress. You know, the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: fans they're just on filter and so one and so
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: one even to owner himself. No, I'm not waiting for that.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just not. Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: the fear of coming out of this. No, it's gonna
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: be good. He's gonna make changes and then like all right,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: we'll see in April, like what's gonna happen? You know.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Then the conversation was, Uh, here are the changes you're
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: going to make? Bill? Yeah, you know, I don't see
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: it going like that, but I hear you, William. We
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: gotta move fast, you know, you don't have to move
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: that fast just by the comma. It's been. It's been. No.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: I just think that this we we as fans and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I totally totally understand, but we as fans want this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: instant gratification of heads are rolling and we're hiring new
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: guys and things like that, Like this season. The season
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: is not even dead for a week yet. Yeah, I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: would say that that's true right now. But the longer
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: you wait, I think it becomes like free agency. And
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: that's the way the Patriots almost always approach free agency.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Let the dumb teams spend all the money and get
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: the good players, will just wait around and get the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: mediocre ones for half the price. We'll sign time. I'm saying,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: if there's someone you want move, if if if you're
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: not sold on anyone, okay, wait till the combine. But
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying wait. I'm not saying you have to wait.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, it's been a couple of days,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: like you know, we're not We're not. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, like what if they stay to Bill O'Brien, listen,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: make us a promise, just come to us, give us
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: a chance to you know, have the right of first refusal.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want that, no, I know, I want Bill
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: O'Brien to be my offensive coordinator. Yeah, then no contact him. No,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: but like, like obviously if he wants if he says, yeah,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to be your OC, but I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: want to see if I can get a head coaching job. Okay,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: but come to us before you make anything. If you
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: don't get a head coaching job, right, then come back right. Okay,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: that's fine, But if I wanted to be an offensive coordinator,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I don't want him to go out and shop another
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: team and then come back to me. I'll give you
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: a right, I'm sure, Like, if it's an OC job,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: this is the place he wants to be. But like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I said, he might think I might be able to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: get a head coaching gig, you know, So yeah, I don't.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't heard his name any of these. No,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: not in the mix. I don't understand why he's not
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: in the mix, but I don't think he is. Maybe
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: now that Jack Easterby's gone, he can go back to Texas.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Where is Jack Easterby? Does anyone else think that Nickossario
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: kind of looks like that Iowa killer? You seen that guy.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just shocked that he still has Idaho. Sorry Idaho,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean with no disrespect, but like, I just
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: don't know what, Like what that Texans roster is horrible,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: It's horrible, and I don't know, Like Davis Mills neither
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: does he. They're definitely drafting a quarterback, and like, I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: don't know, is that is that the guy you want
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: to make the decision? You guys, you guys are a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: way smarter than me. Is Chicago really gonna take Bryce Young?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I think, like is that said? I would have to
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: blown away? Like he didn't rule it out. He did
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the best. I think that Ryan Polster trading that place.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: So no, he didn't say no, but he just I'd
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: have to be blown I just heard like something like
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I heard it. I forget who it was. Someone said,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: this is a some real detailed conversations need to be
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: had about whether or not they're gonna like what, Like
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I definitely think you have to have the conversation. Sure,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: but I mean they're trading the pick. I mean I
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: look at justin fields as kind of like these, you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: like Josh Allen and like Jalen Hurts, like a couple
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: of years, really good athlete, runs around, makes some plays,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: little wild, little erratic in the path, and then you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: get him like three or four years in and I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: was like, whoa, we got something here, Like that's how
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I'd be looking at Justin Fields based off of last season.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: And you want to talk about a lack of talent
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: around you, they had nothing? Yea, Darnell Mooney is their
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: best receiver. Like you give him a couple of receivers
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and maybe you know, I don't know an offensive line
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: that might be able to, you know, prevent him from
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: run for his life on every play. Yeah. I agree
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: with everything you said, and it's even more skewed because
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: we saw Justin Fields here plays and I'm trying, no,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: You're still right though, but like we mean, we saw
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: him do it, you know against I mean, I respect
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: for the people we want to talk about, you know,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: like they scored a lot of points in some of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: those games they lost. You know, we want to talk
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes like in college, and I'm not saying
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: that fifties the same as twenty five or thirty whatever,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: but in the pros that's kind of yeah, that that
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: there's a correlation. He got better, he did, but he
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: got better once they opened up the run packet. Yeah,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: like that once they started using the design quarterback runs.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: He got better the two guys in the draft, Brice
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Young and c J. Stroud. Those guys are natural throwers.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Those guys are pocket passers. And now I would worry
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: about Young. He's he's small and he's thin, but he's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: like six feet six one. He's not. He's small. It's small,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: but it's not Kyler Murray like he's not it's Bailey Zappy. Yeah,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: but he's obviously way more talented. I don't know, man,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not sold on Bryce Young. I think if you
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: watch that game against Case stated, I'm sold say that
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: about Mac Jones too, but not not. Mac's dropping dimes
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: to DeVante Smith and right, like Bryce Young that that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Alabama offense is skill players this year where they had
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: a down year for skill players, and he's still put
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: up insane numbers. He's he's a talented I'm sold on
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: his ability. I just I'm a little worried that he's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: kind of small. Yeah, I'm worried at one or two,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is that's where you're gonna
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: have to take him, and there's gonna be a little
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: bit of a question. I love c J. Strout too.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, you go toe to toe with the Georgia
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: defense like that in a in a big time Bowl game.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: That's that takes some metal. Yeah, I know he's got
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison juniors. Why don't I know? But I would
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: take Stroud over. I would's close. I would take Stroud.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would. Yeah. Yeah, Uh,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: let's go and then maybe Lad McCaffrey there, mcconky will
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: still be around the third one. Let me tell you something,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. I'm telling
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: you right now. When I when I get my clause
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: into somebody, I'm usually right. No one, No one uncovers
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: the walk on there was. There was the day we
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: had the last locker room day. There were some people
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: wondering where Fred was. More than one person asked me,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: when the boys on their way and give him a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: word of encouragement after a tough season. Yeah, bank, Matt, Patricia,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you didn't get the kersha out of boys. Uh, let's
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: go to Chris with a t I A n Hey, Christian, Hey,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure you guys, you know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: send that hot around so we can all sign it.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Not even a way to send the money for the scratch.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, Christian, I agree, it's not your fault.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: It's not your fault something scratch. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Give him a little something for the effort. Yeah. I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: just want to take you guys against this year. I
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: was really negative Tuesday obviously, but um, the additions to
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: to the to the staff and everybody's fred of been great.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Evans been awesome, um tomorrow and Alex has been great
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: in the room too, so and it's it's really been
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: good and the past in the past. I just want
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: to say the Logan Manking episode was awesome. Is That
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: story about sprinting with Matt Light was stemical. So I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: encourage anybody to go listen to that. It was so worthless. Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you guys have done what thirty six
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: of them or something like that? It is that right, Yeah,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: thirty six I haven't. I haven't done anywhere neither. Yeah,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: thirty six of these already, So I mean you're going
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: on a long trip or whatever. Um, this is great content. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what Devin mccordy's going to decide,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: but I laid the ground work for one with him
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: last week in the locker room on Monday. He's still
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: not the past yet, you know. No, That's why I said,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what he's going to decide.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: But that's why Fred went in the locker room is
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: just to you retire, you retire, you're going you Yeah. So,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: And that was a question I had for you guys. Um,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this. Do you guys see obviously
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: looks like Devin and Slater are going to retire. Um
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: do you see them following the stuff to Electry Brown
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: and you're on Mayo to to potentially be on this
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: coaching staff at some point. I think I think if
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: mccy Okay, thanks Chris, I think if mccordy retired going
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: into broadcasting, Yeah, I think he's got he's gonna have options.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Look what his brothers doing. Yeah, yeah, I would do
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: a show together. I would say, ye, Slater, that could
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: be so Jack Easter be right. Yeah, That's what I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: was thinking, was Slater is like I think he's still
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: doing and actually, guy because the coaching aspect, obviously, we
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: know about the hours and what they have to give up,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: and he's got a family and I don't know if
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: he wants to necessarily do that. But you know, I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: don't think you need to put in the same amount
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: of hours as a team chaplain as you have to
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: do as a special team's coach. Right, So still work, Yeah,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: still doing the rara and still you know, break it
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: down in the locker room and uh, you know, do
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: all the addressing the team and stuff like that that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: he does sometimes when Bill asked him to. I don't
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I don't rule it out. Who do you see sepping
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: up as leader? If if both those guys were to retire,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: who are guys that you think would be looked to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: to be leaders going forward? Jimmy Andrews comes back because
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: he got the hell beat out of him, He's still
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: the leader. I think Bentley um quia seven times three times. Yeah,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I think Bentley definitely. I think I mean Meyers seems
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: to be so happy, go lucky, quiet, But maybe he
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: could step up if they're going to keep him and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: he could be a leader. Um, you know, maybe dugger.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: You know. I think Dietrich Wise captain this year. He's
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: got good energy, um quarterback anyone he should be Oh
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: he's I mean he's a captain. Now I'm trying to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: think of guys that aren't captains. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: a new I think, a new somebody who's got that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: kind of leadership trait. Maybe you guys talk to dougger
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Um obviously a lot more than I do. UM does
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: he have Is he quiet? I don't know. I mean
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit. He's starting to a little bit more now,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't come off to me as like I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: would say. I mean, Judean's a little bit of a
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you know, silly, but he's got more of a present,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: very quiet another very quiet guys. See, I haven't really
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: been in the locker room a whole lot. I mean,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: obviously we had a couple of years when we weren't
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: allowed in UM, but even this year, I haven't been
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: in UM at all. So I don't really know these
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: guys personalities. And Madre is thinking of talent, I think
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: a great player, but super shy. I think you feel
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: like he got better, like he just seemed like he
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: was a little more just comfortable up there when he
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: quick question for Evan, any chance that the Patriots bring
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: back the full back? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: think the the to me, the biggest area they missed
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: a full back in with short yardage, you know, third
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: and one year in shotgun. It just drove me nuts. Yeah,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: that would be largely depending on what they do with
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: their offense, right, but yeah, I think I think there's
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: a chance that they bring back a full back, and
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I think that would help them in short yardage, goal line.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: They had all sorts of trouble getting the ball into
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: the end zone. Not a lot went well for the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: Raiders this year on offense. Right, but Josh Jacobs had
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the best year of his career by father, Yeah, because
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't say it was that. I just said,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: but Devlin gave a shout out to yak yeah for
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: for the work he was doing. Mentioned use check. I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: mean Jacob's had like fifteen hundred yards, right yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: he was led the league. Yeah yeah, all right, let's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: get back, excuse me to the phone. Gerard Mayo's got
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: a head coaching interview Calm can Denver, Carolina Panthers. Carolina
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: requested permission to interview Patriots inside linebackers coach. More so,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: as I said before, now that would get you the compensation, yea.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: But now I'm like, okay, Girarde, like why are you
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: a head coach candidate, you know, like and don't talk
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: to me about platinum. I don't know why we have
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: to we have to thank Mac Patricia, but we have
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: to rip. I just want to know. I just want
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: to know, like and his words, what did he do? Yeah, well,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: everybody's got questions, I think in interviewed, but I um, yeah,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I mean he's been around for a while. James is
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: in Georgia. What's up, James? Hey, that's how you're doing good.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I just want to thank you, guys, M Paul to
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: all the good words you put in for Jacobe. Oh.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I like you. You guys understand that I listened to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: the show. It's just doing warm information that you've gone.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I say, you guys are an informatively entertaining clue. I
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: like the new attention. You guys are great. I appreciate
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: all the supports begin Jacobe Miners. Is this mister Meyers?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: We hope that yes? Oh, hey, how are you doing
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: all right? Yeah? And James, I do you know? Evan
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: and I had a chance to talk to Jacoby for
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: a second on Monday, and I did tell him I said, hey,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: make sure you say hey to your dad because quite frankly,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of parents that listen to
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: our show and understand what we're doing. And you have
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: right from the first time that you listen to us,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: and we do appreciate that support. And we wish I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: hope Jacobe's back. We all hope you hope he's back.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: We all do um. But I wish him a lot
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: of luck because he deserves it. He's worked hard to
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: get where he is and he deserves to get rewarded
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: for that. He sure has. He's gonna get that bad gay.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I emailed you, mister Marris, if you want to, I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of game days with that Jacobe on
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: the cover. You wan't gonna send them to you. Just
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: let me know. I gonna tell you everything. You guys
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: got I taped because you know, as you know, when
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I'm at the game, all I do with video tape
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: every time he goes out, So listen, I would be
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: too man understand right, Yeah, I understand what those parents
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: in Buffalo went through because whenever Kobe went into Blue Tent,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: it kind of changed the whole field of watching the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: game because now my attention is on the tent, I hear,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: but but on a good note. I appreciate you guys,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: and we appreciate the support and just once say happy
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: New Year's and you know, let's keep it coming. Well,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: thank you, hope to see you next year. Calling all right,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: thank you James, mister Myers. Great, all right, thank you.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Like, and I can't even express how much
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that, like as a show. Now I'm not
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: talking individually, I'm talking as a show to have you know,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: and we we get followed by a lot of parents
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, and they like stuff that we do a lot,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: and you sort of, you know, understand that because you
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: know you're write something like we talk about the good
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: and the bad on this show. We don't just tell
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: you how everything is great. We've talked a lot about
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: how we love Jacoby Myers, but we think they need
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: a number one receiver. Yeah, and there's the guy's father
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: sitting there appreciating the support. You know, he could sit
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: there and say, well, I don't they think my son's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: worthy of you know, he could absolutely do it that way.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: So what I would do if it was my son,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean I wouldn't be calling into the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: show or anything and ripping anybody and God bless the show.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: If you did like that would be like you know,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: like like maybe a certain former quarterbacks father would do. Um,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: that would be Tom Brady's father in case I didn't know,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: But I just I really appreciate what kind of support that. Well.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: But what did Jakoby say to you guys? Because I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: was on the outskirts of it, and I heard him
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: being like, my dad, he's always just like laughing at
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: he lasted you guys. He loves the show and uh,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: and Evan said something like, you know, I just started
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: doing the show. I go, Yeah, he's the excess those guys,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: and Jacoby goes everybody's got to know their role. Everybody
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: right here, job, I said, yeah, he's breaking down film
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: with a funny guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah he um. Jacoby
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: is arguably one of the better homegrown wide receiver talents
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: they've had of the Belichick here, just from a statistical perspective.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously you know Gronk and and Edelman and
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Dion branch Or in that category, but Jacobe Meyers right
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: there with all of them in terms of production in
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: his time with the Patriots, and Udfa should have gotten drafted.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that just because he's a Patriot,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: he should have gotten drafted, and he went undrafted and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: just fit in like a glove here instantly. Yeah, I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: just feel they ought to pay him. I I just
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: want him to get paid. I'd love if it was here, right,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: But I love the player more than I care about
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: him being payriot. I just feel a special can I
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: with him because it's when I started here and the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: kind of like the look on his face is an
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: undrafted free agent was kind of the look I had
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: on like, WHOA, what is going on here? So I
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: think you just always feel like, you know, a connection
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: with those kind of guys. So I he's so consistent,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: it's consistent, tough catches, and I remember when he hadn't
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: had a touchdown and now you know, now he's got
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: a few. Um it just yeah, just a great guy.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: And I like, like I said, I just want the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: best for him, and if it's it'd be great if
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: it was here, And I'd love to continue to, you know,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: up grow this relationship with him. But if it is,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you've made like a great imprint on an
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: organization and I hate to bring it up. Sorry, mister Myers.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: But the play in Vegas happens, and yeah, that's not
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: his legacy, that's right, Like, you know, he's not what
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: he's even talking about that well he did that, we
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: get right, because he's just made such a positive imprint
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: on the field off the field here in New England
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: that players, you know, mistakes happen, you know, things happen,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't have that's not his legacy. It's also
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: how you handle it too, right. Yeah. But and I
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: hear what mister Myers is talking about. When you know
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: you're watching your kid playing and he gets hurt, Oh,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden, like it sucks the joy
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: out and all you care about is your kid. Yeah,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: you know. And that was what Jr. Kobe also said,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: kind of in his little wrap up around his locker,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: was just I've been kind of hurt all year and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I just can't wait to get away and get healthy. Finally,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: it was it was a tough year for him to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: battle through, not just physically, but as you know, as
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Paul mentioned, emotionally getting over all that. And he battled,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: he did, he did, he came back. I mean, look
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: at the touchdown against Buffalo. I mean he's you know,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: right there at the end, big game coming through. I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: mean we you know, we we harass a lot of
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: these guys about this is a huge moment. This is
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: a third down. You had a false start, you know,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: for for a guy like him, it's it's the other
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: side when when it was on the line, he always
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: got what you need those toes down. Let's go to
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Courtney in New Jersey. What's up Courtney? Hey, guys, thanks
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: for taking my call. Um just wanted to talk about, um,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: the the idea of maybe a QB competition going into
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: the next year. You know, what are your what are
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: the chances you could see that potentially happening, whether that
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: maybe would that be which you know had the good
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: two moments um or maybe even bringing in, you know,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: someone else in the free agent marketing to compete to
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: just kind of continue to spark maybe maybe a better
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: offense money into the offseason. I'm going into the new season. Yeah,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: what will be the first indication we will get to say, okay,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: it is it is a quarterback competition? Quick zappy reps
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and training camp like well, I think if they signed somebody,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think no, I don't. I don't
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: think there'll be a legit competition if it's just so
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: just going going off of what we had in twenty
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: twenty one with with Cam Ye Cam would That was
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: weird though, that was Cam would lead off every single period,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: so that gave the illusion that he was the starter
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: because he was the first guy. But then Mac would
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: go like twenty straight plays right, right, right, And that's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: what Cam did that thing with his father after he
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: was released by the Patriots, and that's what he said.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: They've used me as an illusion because I let off
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: every drill, but if you counted reps, Mac was out
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: wrapping me like three to one. And if they really
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: want to give Zappy a look in training camp, that's
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: that's how you would know. Yeah, yeah, if you can't
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: try my mind. If I asked the second question, um yeah,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: you know how we always and I've been following days
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: for years. I'm I actually played on the played on
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: the cliff at Texas text but um, but but it
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: always sh is like with the pages. It seems like
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do is always in front of us.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: And then Bill always finds, Yeah, he says, listen to
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: what he does? You know, friend. We always get that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: from you. Um, Courtney, you didn't play defense at Texas Tech,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: did you? Everybody blames it all on you. Sorry, but no, man,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: that's a whole another story. But the question really is
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: that in terms of Bill O'Brien and Cliff, you know,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: those are very obvious choices in their own regard. What
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: is a very likelihood that something happens with these guys
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: are whether they're not available or they go somewhere else.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: And now we're really like, holy crap, like, you know,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: what are our real options? Thought? That's what I worry about.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: If you if you drag your feet to right, it's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: a say with me, offensive assistant. Like that's what they
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: selling is some guy is going to come in and
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: be the end. Oh this is the guy and you
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: feel good, you know his offense, but he's not getting
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: the title. It's a shell game. Yeah, this guy's over here.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: You also have to it's also not even just O'Brien
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: or Kingsbury, because those guys are gonna want to bring
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: their own guys with them too. And what are those
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: guys now, you know have a job already, right, right,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: so I think you need three guys, right, So if
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: you start to talk about okay O'Brien, he's probably okay.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's okay with Troy staying as the wide receivers
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: coach or whatever, but he's probably gonna want his own
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: old line coach and his own tight ends coach. And
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: like you, you have your own staff, right, and in
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: order to put your own staff together, you need that.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: That's a time crunch too, which which is easier if
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: you pull that Patrician and put him back as the advisor,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: and then you kind of already have those two. Two
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: of those jobs open. The questions just receiver running back,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: how you manage those? Hey, Courtney, thanks for calling. And
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: if Kingsbury does end up being the guy, let let
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Kiff Cliff know. He needs to let us know it's
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: not going to be I don't think he's going to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: be a source. He didn't. He didn't like. I know.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I know you're fair you here, Evan, but you'll find
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: out over time. No matter what the subject is, there's
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: somebody listening that's an expert. Like we could be talking
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: about rocket science right now and somebody from NASA will call.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: This is probably a good time, Patricia, This is probably
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: a good time. To break it to Evan too. He's
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: not going to enjoy our off season shows as much
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: as he's gonna go nuts. He's gonna go So we talk.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: We tend for the push up contest, right, we tend
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: to get a rope off topic. I think would be
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: a fair way to put it quite easily in the
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: off season. I know that you just want to let's
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: get back to the Do you see the drag brow here?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: It's not where it's the proper space, see, I know,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: but we're talking about movies running the running the drag
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: out against zone. Come on, say, last year we did
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: three shows on soap on a rope. I mean that
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: was different thing. You know. Don't get it started. We're
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: gonna go down that road. We're in the off season.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: H Brandon's in Atlanta. What's up? Brandon's in Atlanta. Hey,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: what's up? You might get to go to the AC
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Championship ran. Yeah, it is my first time calling it
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: into the show. You know, I usually call it the
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: free game of post game show. So it's cool to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: you know, be a part of this one. Um. So
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I kind of just had like a question to see
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: if like y'all were agreeing in a greens with me
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: how I'm thinking, so definitely hope that Jakobe comes back
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: because I feel like, even though he's young, I feel
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: like he's also not only a locker room guy. I
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: hope they green k B back. Davante Parker seems like jeez,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: a um, he's close to a one, but maybe not
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: exactly your your true number one. And then of course,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: like on Thornton don't be there so and if I'm personally,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: we're probably gonna miss out on d hop and I
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: can live with that. But I was thinking in my
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: personal like just you know, die Hard fandom ship with
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: his team, whether it's Mac, whether it's Bailey, whether it's somebody, anybody.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like the first thing we need to do
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: is fix the offensive line, because I don't care who
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: you are, even if you're Jaff, Josh Allen or Mahomes,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: if you got three hundred pound linemen in your face,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: no matter what you can do physically, it's you're a
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: set up for failure. And I don't know if it's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Tricia needs to be moved from that too, because I
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: know he's also the offensive line culture or whatever. But
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I just think that that the first thing that we
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: need to do, whether it be free agency, whether it
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: be UM the draft. I think the offensive line is
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: the most important, like aspect of what we need to
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: fix in this off season. I was wondering if y'all agree.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's up there. I mean, like if they
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: ended up drafted a tackle with the fifteenth or fourteenth pick, Yeah,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked. I would be shocked. I wouldn't
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: be shocked Draft one, sign one. They should do both. Yeah,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: do you I mean, do you think they'll have two
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: new tackles next year or one? I mean I assume that.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I think, say, right, the interior three probably the same. So,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about the tackle spot. It's just
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could maybe make an argument that they
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: could bump the one you outside. I wouldn't. I like
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: the way the inside the interior three are. But I
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: agree with Evan. I think they need two tackles because
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think Trent Brown is someone you can rely
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: on now. He was faded down the stretch too, was
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: not good for the last month of the season, and
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: I think that a guy that big, I think that
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: that's conditioning and that kind of stuff comes into play
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: late in the year. I just they need to draft one,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: sign one in my opinion, and I think they should
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: be first round pick, and I think they should be
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: at the top of the tackle marketed. In free agency too,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: there are going to be a couple of free agent tackles.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey is the big one that I've been focused on.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Orlando Brown might might not get paid by Kansas City.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: He's an option, especially if you're going to continue to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: be a power running team and get downhill on people. Uh,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: I don't see why how you don't address that full on.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: And also the way that they they're blocking system this year,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I mean it was terrible. You know, they get to
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and they made no adjustments ever,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: like they just sat there and let it happen. I
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: mean the blitz at the Bills got them in on
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: the first half like that that should have been able
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: to be picked up. Like Trent Brown is looking around
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: like blocking nobody. They got the back over there, but
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: they just let a free runner just and he's right
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: there up on the line of scrimmage. It's not like
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: it was disguised or something like that. They didn't they didn't.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: They didn't adjust protection is that though. I think they
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: took I think they put the training wheels on it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff said, we're not adjusting all right,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: But I don't know that for a fact. I tried.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: I tried to get some information about it, and the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: couple of people that I asked in the locker room
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: didn't even want to touch it, which tells me where
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: did that. I'm sorry, Brandon, go ahead, no one last thing,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: and I agree with everything ever said and all TV say,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: But another thing, I don't care who comes in and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: your McGlinchey, Orlando Brown, please somebody work on the discipline
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: and stopped jumping off side, stopped moving penalty. Yeah, they
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: had a lot of those this year when you don't
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: trust your technique and you don't like you jump right
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: like you're you're trying to cheat. I mean, Trump Brown
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: all year long, I think actually could have gotten I
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: think that's exactly what Trump Brown was doing all year.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: You got a waitin a lot, but I think he
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: felt like he had a chime snapped during the game
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: even here. Thanks Brandon, did Trump Brown just I mean head,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: did you guys see this this week? And I forget
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: this is like I just like CTE, Like someone wrote
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: something anonymously about what Evan alluded to with the change
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: in the blocking schemes, and if they had the same
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: blocking scheams just last year, they wouldn't have allowed half
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: as many sacks. Sound sounds like something Bdard would say
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: could have been because him and I are the only
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: ones that talk about blocking games are out here. So
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: but but I thought he it might have been in Bernardi.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: He might have was quoting an anonymous um, probably David
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Andrews and an anonymous player maybe lamenting the change. And
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: that's why I say, like, and it could be four Like,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna need an offensive coordinator, a quarterbacks coach,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: and an offensive line coach, and you're probably gonna need
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: a tight ends coach too, because I think Nick Kayley
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: is going to go on. So to Evan's point, if
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: you want an offensive coordinator, you're probably gonna want to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: give that guy a little latitude to bring in some
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: of the guys to replace. Those are important jobs. Yeah,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and the offensive line situation, I don't know
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: his Billy Yates an offensive line coach, Like is he
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: good enough to be and I'm not telling you he's not.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I just and I would say too,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: like and when I we were in Vegas, I was
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: right near Karen Brisillo with the Raiders now and and
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to say this because I've
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: never been really near when Patricia was coach, coaching the
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: offensive line here or anything like that. But even with
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: some of the footage from Dante last week that they
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: were showing on the sidelines of just how much those
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: guys know and how connected into the offense they are
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: and they know exactly what has to happen. I mean,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: just the way he would lay into guys, I mean,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: not even like yelling at them, just giving them coaching points.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: It gave me an appreciation for what a job that
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: is as an offensive line coach, and how just how
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: connected it is to everything. It's not just like teaching
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: guys how to block. It's about the whole offene. And
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: I make fun of Mike Lombardi a lot because of
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: his boboism, but he said that before the season, like
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: that's why he didn't think that Patricia was really a
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: legitimate candidate to call plays. He said, you can't do
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: both yeah, you can't be with your offensive line after
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: every series going over what went right and what went
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: wrong and the adjustments that are going to be and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: be worrying about talking to your quarterback and call and play.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: And what ended up happening was that David Andrews and
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: actually James Ferns from what I've heard, had to take
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: on a really big role on the sideline this year
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: of basically running the offensive line huddle with Billy Yates.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: And I think that you also look at quarterback when
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: it comes to protection is all about problem solving, right,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: It's just okay, you know they're showing me this look,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna slide over here, We're gonna have the back
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: pick this guy up, and then I'm gonna change this
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: route so that I have somebody to get the ball to.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: And if the quarterback can't get to the line of
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: scrimmage and problem solved the equation, then he's screwed. And
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: so many times this year they just had guys running
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: scott free to the quarterback on blitz is because they
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: get to the line of scrimmage. He'd point out the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: mic that they called in the huddle was the mic,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: and then they snapped the ball and the line is
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: moving in the wrong direction. Is Mac or how much
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: of it is? I just can't blame it on Mac
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: because it's another one of those things that everybody told
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: me was a strength of his at Alabama and his
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: rookie season, that he was cerebral, that he understood these
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: types of things, that he understood protections, and he understood
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: how to get everybody blocked. And then all of a sudden,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: this year it's terrible, And so how did that? Just?
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: You don't your brain doesn't just stop working like CT
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Let's get to some emails. We're gonna do the picks
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: pretty soon. But Dominic writes in says, I've heard a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: lot about how the offense changed from last year to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: this year to be more shotgun heavy and incorporates zone
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: runs versus McDaniel's offense, which was more play action. I
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: just centered, gap run focused. Why do you all think
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: we made this change? What was Belichick trying to accomplish
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: with the switch? I don't know. I don't know simplifying it,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: but there was easier ways to do it. They were
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: trying to streamline it, trying to play faster, try to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: simplify it so that guy's rookies and younger players and
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: newer acquisitions like a tayclon Thornton, for example, could defensive
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: minded coaches could pick it up quicker, and it obviously
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: just didn't work. They just didn't have an offense. I mean,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: it was just I think part of it was the coaches.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, like part of me just feels like you
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: didn't have an offensive coordinator. Your offense didn't look coordinated
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: in any sense of the word. I mean it's like
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: sounds oversimplified, but that's really like what it comes down to.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: They just were never on the same page in Summerville.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Longtime listener started listening in OH seven question, I've seen
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Evans breakdowns of Mac undercenter for a shotgun and a
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: running narrative now is that they didn't put Mac in
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: a position to succeed, and we're stupid to not put
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: him under center more. I could swear during the offseason
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: a big talking point was Mac wanted more shotgun and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable under center? Am I misremembering this? If that
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: is actually what happened, shouldn't we be giving Mac a
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: larger share of the blame on this topic? Since the
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: coaches would have given him what he wanted. Well, every
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: time we talked to Mac about this, he told us
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: that he ran the wing tea in high school, so
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: he was under center a lot in high school, even
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: though he wasn't under center a lot at Alabama. I
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: think there's some truth to it. You know, a lot
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that come up now are nobody in college
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: runs under center. Okay, like no, none of these teams
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: are under center. They're all in shotgun. And maybe there
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: is some truth to that. But if you're going to
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: be a shotgun team, then you have to find ways
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: to then manipulate defense like play action from under center does,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: but from the shotgun. And that's really, to me, the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: biggest X and O's thing that they missed the mark
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: on this year was that was that they were not
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: able to be a team that scheme guys open from shotgun.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: So everything turned into we're just going to hope that
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker wins on the outside and Mac Jones that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: makes a great throw, and we moved the football, and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: they just didn't have the personnel that was good enough
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: to execute that kind of offense. Like if you look
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: at them from miss splits wise, like under center, play
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: action motion. They're the Cincinnati Bengals. They have play action motion.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: How much they're under center is exactly what the Bengals do.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Bengals have better players than you on offense, so they
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: do it better than you do. And you're dead last
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: in a lot of offensive categories because you were trying
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: to be this gun off spread system with lesser talent
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: and it didn't work out. L from Wisconsin. So everyone
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: seems to be thinking that Kern's report means we're getting
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: a new OC. I didn't read it the same way.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: In fact, I don't think the report in any way
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: says that Patricia won't be the OC. It says that
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: changes will be made. Take away the O line responsibility.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: That's a change. Change quarterback change quarterback who the eight
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: head coach clue doesn't like. That's a change, and I'll
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: continue to be worried until a change is actually announced. Finally,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: question for Fred, So he's saying that change could be anything,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: not necessarily OC. Finally, question for Fred, do you think
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: we should fudge the rules and induct Patricia to the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Patriots Hall of Fame? Right now? Ha ha ha, Well
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: we should have. They have like the player and they
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: and they have a contributed section. We should have like
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: a little thank you section, right, It's just like in
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: the corner. I'd rather have you say thank you and
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: please go back to three shows. If Wednesday doesn't work,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: maybe Monday or Friday. Friday's out of the question. Uh
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Spe says, it's so cool that mister Myers called in.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: How cool is that they have that connection to a
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: player we all genuinely like and appreciate. Anyway, you guys
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: touched on the nepotism issue regarding Steve earlier but seemed
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: to disagree, and then we're like, oh, we love your
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: mister Meyers. Do I think that's at work? What was that?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Was that nepotism? I mean, of course it's everywhere in society.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: It happens in every industry and everything that there is,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: like I don't like, I like, and it's annoying and
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: you don't have to like it, but it is a
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: way of life. It is um Oka and Tampa says,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: this question is for you, Fred. Earlier in the show,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: you were rattling off questions that you would ask Mayo,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: which got me thinking, what interview questions did you ask
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: deuson Evan and first impressions of them. Thanks guys for
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: all you do before. Yeah, but I well, I get
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: just right into the radio show. Yeah. I wasn't even
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: I hired, but Duce hired Evan. It's Paul, it's Paul Parilla.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Were right here, And when we had him in, we
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: said we're gonna go down to the show. I wanted
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: to see what he got, how we handled the show. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: that was fun. That was fun. I was psyched myself up.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: And uh, but I mean we knew Evan. I mean,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Evan was well it's already. That's part of it too,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: is I did not know Mike at all. I had
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: never met Mike, and we knew Evan because Evan's been
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: covering the Patriots for years. He's been around. You know,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't know him as well as I do now.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: But we've known him how long, like ten years? Maybe
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: not that long. I go, I go back ten years
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: with you, Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, yes, I still
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: was never one of those bloggers go back to the
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: g We had good we had good candidates like we
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: did that. We had like a handful and yeah, we
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: had we had a good turnout for that job for
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Evan's job. Sure, yeah, absolutely, thanks guys. That was not
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: That was not neotism. It was funny those I was like,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's weird when I came in here on
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: the radio show and I like would tell my mom
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: and my dad and like I got in an interview
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: and now everyone like I knew all my family was
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: listening to how I did on the show. But the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: funny part was we got off the year and Paul
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: Paul just turns music, So what happened sophomore year? And
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like it took me a second of process and
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: then I realized, like my stats and hockey, I only
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: played I think like ten games my sophomore year that
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: would show up on Hockey D I get on. I
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: did a little research. He threw me off for a second.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Then I was like, I blame I blame my ex girlfriend.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that's usually how goes. Like I like
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: that guy, but I was kind of star start. I
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: mean that thing in this played another clip of that
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: her singing what that's a Tom Brady song? Wow? That
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: was the Ironically he came to work here. He hated Brady. Well,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: you know he's the creator of the twenty eight three teacher. Yes,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: oh he knows that. He didn know. I sing one
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: more call and we're going to get to the picks
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: for the playoffs. Andrew's in LA. What's up, Andrew? What's up? Boys?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Is what I gotta say. Tommy, Yes, Tommy and Lynn
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: right there you go, there you go. I gotta do
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: his podcast coming up? Oh you do? Yeah? I hope
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: you listening to that. At one point, but then like
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: while I was on the line, I added like three
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: things to my notes. So to the previous guy that
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: said that there was no reference to Patricia being gone,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Felger has sources apparently in the building, and I'm assuming
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: it's Paul. It's not me. Yeah, it's definitely not me.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't think Patricia's going anywhere. So even if
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: it was me, that wouldn't be my don could be
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: back upstairs. I've heard people saying this rumor said he's
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: in hot, he's in demand in several places, but nothing.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, who's that now, Patricia? He's not in demand, please,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you know. I mean, maybe we should
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: we should thank him for taking one of those jobs.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe he does deserve all right, all right. But one
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: other thing. So I heard the same thing as you,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Paul on the Mother's Ship this week, that that blocking
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: scheme was so they had kept the old scheme. That
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: must then Evan must be right. That must be a baddism. Yeah,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: because they loved them something. And he's the only one
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: that would talk offensive line. Oh yeah, yeah, of course,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: the big boy. Um yeah, they would have half the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: penalties if they had their former blocking scheme. So I
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: heard that too. But um, there is an ol coach available.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: He's from the Arizona Cardinals. He was fired this year
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: for an incident in Mexico. No, this is interesting. Did
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: you hear about this? I know, Well the guy got
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: fired Yeah yeah, and evidently was mistaken identity. It wasn't him.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Oh really, that's that's the worst so our grievance. I
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know. You know, who knows what's true.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of speculation going on. But that's the
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: word right now is that guy is fighting to clear
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: his name and it wasn't him. Oh wow. And they're
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: probably still gonna be paying him. Huh. Andrew, good one,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mike, Mike, just take it to take the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: next step there sneaky negative, Yeah, right, sneak. I mean,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: let's face it, we're all thinking that with a cliff, right,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: we don't want to do another one of those. We're
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be the first NFL team that has coaches that
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: you don't have to pay everybody. All the other teams
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: are paying. I'm waiting for them to hire one coach
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: that we have to pay. It's offensive assistant or something
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: like that, just so that it doesn't offset the Language
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: and his Cardinals contract. Yeah, all right, blocking that time
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: of the week, we finished the regular season, so Paul,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: let us know how that ended up. Okay, So another
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: solid week to end it all, Freddie and Paul eleven
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: and five, Evan and Mike ten and six. No, that's
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: solid week to finish it out. And um, and that's
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: a tricky week to pick by the way, that week eighteen.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: So those are good records with the spread. We weren't
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: quite as good Evan nine and seven and the rest
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: of US seven and nine. Yeah, so um and not
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: surprisingly I had a losing record the last two weeks.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: I knew it was coming, but overall I am one
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: seventy five ninety four and two. Mike drops two games
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: back to one seventy three, ninety six and two, Fred
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: one sixty five, one oh four and two. Evan was
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: one thirteen, sixty one and one, which is basically tied
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: with me in terms of winning percentage. So good job,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: you kept pacing. Good job, But what's sixty nine winning percentage?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Decimal point though? Like sixty nine? Yeah, but I didn't
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: figure this out. Yeah, but who's better? He said, Basically,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I'll check, Well, we're both six forty nine. I mean,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I'll look, I'll look, I'll look that up in a
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: sty availability is he wins. Yeah, I picked the whole season.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: But anyway, we have to go with the spread. Any
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: we don't need any technicality, doesn't skip the tough weeks
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: with the spread. No technicalities needed, one fifty two, one,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: fifteen and four. Just a phenomenal record by me. Thank
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: you you do. You had an email of that wrote
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: in about how much money you would have actually won.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: It's not as much as you thought. Let's go, How
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: did you know how much I would have put on
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: the games? Like he just speculated? Like, if you you know,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I can go to the email at some point. But yeah,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious because I because you know me, I
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: don't do too good with math. It's the same guy
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: that um uh and analyze the Heart Wilson index. Oh
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: and you figured out what the key factors were. Yeah,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I got into his math. Yeah, he's a math guy
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: like I'll get to that. Nancy Wilson and Heart. It's
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: the Wilson Hearts. Um So with the spread one fifty two,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: one fifteen and four for Paul one thirty three, one
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: thirty four and four for Mike one nineteen, one forty
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: eight and four for Fred and Evan eighty nine, eighty
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: three and three. Very solid, makeing munch job. So that's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: how we finished, all right. So now we move to
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: the playoffs and we continue picking right through the Super Bowl.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: So we start with Saturday two games, the first ones
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: at four thirty on Fox. Case anyone needs to know
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: that the nine and eight Seahawks are at the thirteen
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: and four forty nine Ers Noiners by nine and a half,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: nine and a half. All right, I'm up playoffs picks.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: Let's go. I'm gonna take San Francisco to win. I'm
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: gonna take those points though I think it's close. It's
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: a division game, even though I know what's at stake here.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take sanfran to win. Though. Yeah, I'm with
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: Mike on this. It's weird when you play divisional opponent
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: again in the playoffs, third time in a season. So
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: I think the Hawks keep it close by. I take
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers in the game. Yeah, I am
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: gonna take San Francisco both ways. I think that they
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: all as Matt Smith would say, they all up. Do
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: you overmatch Seahawks? Yeah, even with a third string quarterback.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Paul's correct. The pick here is forty nine Ers both ways.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: So uh, Now we go to eight, eight fifteen on NBA. Uh,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: the ten and seven Chargers are at the nine and
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  Speaker 1: eight Jaguars. Uh. This is your no, No, this is
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  Speaker 1: a road favorite. The lack by two and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so, a couple of new kids on the block.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the playoffs, justin Herbert kids. Yeah, and Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna I think Jacksonville is gonna
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  Speaker 1: fight hard, but I'm gonna take the Chargers on the road.
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  Speaker 1: I'll lay those points. I think they went by field goal.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking the Chargers both ways. I think they they
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  Speaker 1: cruise in this way when chargers both ways. Yeah, um yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about the recklessness that my boy
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Brandon's Daley showed. But I think that they may have
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  Speaker 1: dodged a bullet. And I think these guys are gonna
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  Speaker 1: play and I'm not anticipating Jacksonville being quite ready for
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  Speaker 1: the moment. I don't think they looked like they were
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  Speaker 1: quite ready for the moment last Saturday night. Um, that's
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  Speaker 1: a team on the rise. Though they have some good players.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with the boys. I'm gonna take the lack both ways.
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  Speaker 1: I think the debutante ball continues, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars win this game at home. I think Doug
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  Speaker 1: Peterson has a little bit of a coaching advantage in
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: this game. In a big game, h and I helpe
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  Speaker 1: and he helps his quarterback through it. So I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: sticking with Trevor Lawrence and I think the Jaguars advance.
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot of belief in Trevor Lawrence. I
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  Speaker 1: will say that this is Al Michael's by the way
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday night on NBC. Who really? Oh wow? How
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  Speaker 1: does that work? Sure? Now we moved to Sunday three games.
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  Speaker 1: The first one is on CBS. The nine and eight
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  Speaker 1: Dolphins are at the thirteen and three Bills. Dolphins obviously
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  Speaker 1: without two UH bills by thirteen, I'm gonna lay all
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  Speaker 1: of them. I'm gonna take the Bills. I will lay thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: My question is is it worse? Is it worse than
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: it was for the Patriots last year at thirty point loss? Um?
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  Speaker 1: But I think it'll be more than thirteen. Everybody didn't
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: want to see the Patriots in the playoffs, and now
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: you get Skyler Thompson going into Buffalo to lose by thirty.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome, all right, You're welcome. Bills both ways. You
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  Speaker 1: have the bills both ways, Um, Skyler Thompson. Yeah, I'm
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Bills both I don't like laying thirteen
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: points in playoff games, but I will do it because
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: of Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing Bills in
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  Speaker 1: the Skylar Thompson led Dolphins would have the same chance
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  Speaker 1: by Bills both ways. UM. Four thirty on Fox, the nine,
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  Speaker 1: seven and one Giants are at the thirteen and four Vikings.
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  Speaker 1: Vikings by three at home, so it's pick them. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna pick an upset here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the Giants. Um, I just feel like
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  Speaker 1: that would be a fitting cap for Vikings kind of
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: being up and down all year and then then they
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: finally get in the playoffs and they just lose to
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  Speaker 1: a six seed. I'm gonna te the Giants. I'm gonna deuce.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: I would have had the exact same thought, like, this
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  Speaker 1: Vikings team has been fraudulent all year, and I feel
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: like they get into the playoffs and this is when
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: it finally they the appropriate ending is losing to Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Jones at home. Yes, I think we all share a brain.
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  Speaker 1: I feel exactly like you can't just win every close game.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna get a close game in the players and
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: they're gonna lose. I got the Giants and I don't
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: think much of the Giants. Wow, my feeling here, Uh
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  Speaker 1: is Vikings win this game. So I'm I'm picking up
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  Speaker 1: We all know you have a feel for the league. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm picking the Vikings to win, and I'm, you know,
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  Speaker 1: fairly certain of it. So all right, eight fifteen once
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  Speaker 1: again on anbry Sure, uh is this al Michaels not
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: al Michaels this time. That's why he got the other one. Yeah. Uh,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: the ten and seven Ravens are at the twelve and
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: four Bengals. How many Bengals by eight and a half
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  Speaker 1: and a half. I'm not gonna like my picks this week.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that right now. Well, I'm definitely
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  Speaker 1: picking the Bengals to win. Just a question of if
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: they put up enough of a fight. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: they do. I think the Bengals are gonna start rolling.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take the Bengals and lay the points. Yeah, I'm
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: taking the Bengals both ways. Joe Burrow saying that their
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  Speaker 1: championship windows his entire career is the best mic drop
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  Speaker 1: we've hired all year. To pay what you say, eight
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  Speaker 1: and a half. I'm gonna take Cincinnati both ways too.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like laying all these points that I'm doing,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: but I just don't really you know, no Lamar, maybe
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  Speaker 1: not even any Huntley, Like I don't. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how Baltimore scores enough points. I think they'll be game,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: you know. I think the defense will play hard, but
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: at some point they'll fall behind by a couple of scores.
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  Speaker 1: The reality that the seasons over will set in and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: since I think if it was ten and a half,
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  Speaker 1: I take the points because I think, you know division
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: rival Ravens always play tough, they're never afraid. They'll hold
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: them down, but they just won't score enough to win.
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  Speaker 1: But eight and a half, I'll take the hook. No, no, wait,
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  Speaker 1: I'll you'll lay in the points. I heard you. What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? They have to win by more than
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: than eight and a half? Eight and a half, right
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  Speaker 1: the bank? So the bank, No, don't explain. You cut
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals, You're lay in the point, You're lay in
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  Speaker 1: the take. You have to win by nine taking the
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  Speaker 1: Bengals both ways. Yes, I heard your explanation. Real quick,
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  Speaker 1: I have an update of your winning percentage with six
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: four eight five seven. I rounded that to six forty nine. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: mine is six four nine four four. I rounded it
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  Speaker 1: to six four nine. So paul A Bizart goes down. No,
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  Speaker 1: all right, but I'm glad that we came to got
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  Speaker 1: to the bottom. That's right, that's right. He was basically tied.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: I was a little basically all right. Um, well, like
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: we're totally skipping over the Patriots. Yeah, we'll come back
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: to them in the rest of the league preseason. Uh.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: And we go to Monday Night on ESPN eight fifteen. Uh,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: the twelve and five Cowboys are at the eight and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: nine Buccaneers. Here is your other road favorite, the Dallas
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Cowboys by two and a half. All Right, I know
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's never lost to the Cowboys. UM, and I'm
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: having a real hard time picking against the Bucks. But
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I think this is the first one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Dallas, and then I'm gonna lay the points.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: I'm taking Tom. I'm taking the Bucks in the main
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: reason why I'm taking the Bucks is because the Cowboys
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: have been playing some weird close games against bad teams lately.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they're on for real. And I
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: just like Brady in a playoff game always. I just
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: I'll pick against him once he plays a real team. Sorry,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I spent the whole year, like,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: not the whole year. I spent like the last eight
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: or ten weeks saying I don't care who Tampa plays
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I'm taking the other team like that.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: That's just not a good team. They're not good, right,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: And now they're up against Dallas twelve and three, twelve
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: and five, who has a good record but is playing
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: like absolute crap. How I don't know what to do, Like,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Dallas because I think they're better. But
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the game. I'm gonna roof for Tom
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna root for the Bucks to win this game.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: And I don't have any faith whatsoever in Dallas, but yeah,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: I just think they're better. I was thinking of split
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: in the difference and taking the points, but Cowboys win.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: But screw it, Tampa Tampa both ways. Now, if if
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys are one, are you know, don't even win
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: a game? Here is their coach on the hot seat? Yeah,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: campfire the GMS. What's his face says no? But you know,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: you never know Sean Payton? What if they get Sean Payton?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: I mean that's different game of the weekend. Which one?
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  Speaker 1: Which one you're most excited to see? I'm not overly
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: excited to watch any of those. Um, maybe the Jacksonville
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Chargers one interesting because it's like two teams that haven't
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: really been there. Me too. Yeah, it stinks that Miami's
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: not gonna have to because that would have been worth
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: watching with two. Yeah, I'm sorry, Skyler. All right, Well
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: Playbook is next with John rook Um. I hope everyone
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