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Jeff The Killer · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to creep Cast. We are talking about one
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  of the OG classics. I couldn't find an official date.
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  There's been some speculation of when exactly this thing was
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  live or whatever. I don't know. Today we're talking about
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  Jeff the Killer. If you haven't heard of Jeff the Killer,
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  you've probably seen this image here. I feel like everybody
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  on the Internet has seen this image, at least.
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  Speaker 2: Most classic Internet images.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those It's a nice blown
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  out image.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of works in a bunch of different ways.
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  I feel like it works in some comedy memes while
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  also being a spooky It's it's a jack of all trades,
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  which I enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm jumping the gun a little bit on the analysis,
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  but I truly think the most impactful thing to come
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  out of the entire story is the is that image.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it is probably the only not.
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  Speaker 2: Just for Jeff the Killer, but for like where Internet
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  horror went as a whole, Like this was one of
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  the first images that was kind of in that shaky
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  like found footage. There's something in my house tone, and
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  that's like most of what you know, Internet horror became
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  after that, so.
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  Speaker 1: I think it does have that. Yeah, it does have
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  that mendelic catalog kind of vibes. Yes, like that kind
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  of like weird uncanny.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like someone like was being attacked and
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  uploaded it right before they died. You know. It gives
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  that whole vibe to it. M hm. So I think
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  I think the most impactful thing to come out of
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  this whole story was that image, and that was the peak,
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  because it's all downhill from there.
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  Speaker 1: It is, it is. This is an interesting one because
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  we started off with the search and rescue s here,
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  which we both enjoyed, and it's like kind of it's
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  just like a very fun, well written classic. This is uh,
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  this is just this age is like sour milk. I mean,
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  if I had to, if I had to, Literally, when
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  I got done reading this, I thought to myself, Okay,
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  this is like it's this is if they tried to
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  make a superhero out of a school shooter. Is what
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  it sounds like. That's exactly what it read like. School
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  shooter vigil ante is what it reads. And there's a
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  lot of influences and especially because I saw here that uh,
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  no one knows where the photo, like, there's no specified photo.
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  But apparently the version that we read that I think
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  is the most popular isn't even the original version. There's
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  something I'm reading here called the the Cessor version. I
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  don't know if I can pronounce that correctly. I don't
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  know if you know if you know that word. But
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  on October third of two thousand and eight, Cessor s
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  s E S. S. Susser, doctor Seusser, the Seuser version.
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  You're probably right, but that individual uploaded a video titled
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  Jeff the Killer Original Story on YouTube, and that video
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  predates the famous Creepypasta story. So I'm guessing that the
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  Creepypasta story came out around the same time as that,
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  probably in the two thousand and eight which I'm also
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  correct around two thousand and eight is when The Dark
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  Knight came out, which feels even more in spot, like
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  I feel like they literally saw Heath Ledger's Joker and
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  were like.
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  Speaker 3: That's the coolest thing I've ever.
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  Speaker 1: Seen in my life, because it feels like there's so
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  many call outs to that in this story. But yeah,
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  there's apparently the Susser version. You know, there's there's some
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  different kinds of delineation, some differences, but you know, the
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  one that people at least the one that I read,
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  the one that seems to be more famous, is the
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  one that was re uploaded or like the reboot or
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  whatever of the original version, which is the one we
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  decided to read together. But yeah, no, I mean, without
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  without further ado, I think let's just kind of jump
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  into it.
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  Speaker 2: I am so excited. So yeah, it seems like, at
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  least from what we can tell, historically, there was a
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  YouTube video uploaded, like a short little thing just to
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  show off the face, to show that like it was
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  creepy whoever made it, and then the story got made
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  like shortly thereafter, to go along with the face and
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  give it an explanation. That's what it seems like happened
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  to this day. It's a point of debate where the
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  Jeff the Killer image came from. There's some people who
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  say it came from it's like this selfie a girl
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  posted like early MySpace, but that rob yeah, you know,
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  you know the what I'm talking about right where she's
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  kind of in a dark room. But that's been debunked.
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  There were theories of it being like a school project
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  for a scary story, but then that's god debunked, like
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  there's it's still a mystery where the image came from,
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  but looks like it was the image, and then the
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  story got attached to it. And one of the reasons
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  I wanted to talk about this today is Hunter and
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  I were discussing, like, oh, what other famous early Internet
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  horror story should we cover? So a lot of good
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  ones came to my mind, like No End House, the
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  Showers Brosca, and the Stairs in the Woods that we
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  talked about last episode, so like, there's so many good stories.
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  But then while we were thinking about it, I said,
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  you know, it's a little disingenuous to say every single
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  early Internet horror story was good, not to say it
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  wasn't effective. Because Jeff the Killer terrified me for months
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  on end when that story came out, when I saw
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  that face, and then as I was thinking about it,
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  I'm like, man, I'm sure it is way worse than
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  I remember. So to give some context, Hunter has compiled
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  this document and like read the stuff to make the
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  document out. I haven't looked at this story in over
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  ten years, so I'm I'm so ready for whatever it's.
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  Speaker 1: Truly, it's truly a yin and yang kind of situation
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  of somebody who is going in already having all the
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  bullets and now you're going in with you know, hell
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  fire raining down on you. So I hope you're ready.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the broad strokes of the story, but
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  like I said, it's been a while, so I can't
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  wait for how terrible this is gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and without further ado, I will get us started
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  in here. We also heard some feedback from your guys
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  and stuff, so we will be reading directly from it
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  and you know, getting you all lucy and juicy in
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  the story here. So here we go. The story starts
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  with an excerpt from a local news paper talking about
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  how the killer is still in the loose and on
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  the rise. Very little, very little evidence has been gathered,
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  but a young boy surviving an attack from the killer
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  and tells a story which is, to me, was just
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  kind of a funny way to start the story. It's like,
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  because this.
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  Speaker 2: So many early horror stories did that, you know, like
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  the whole they try to do the cold open thing,
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  but the cold open is always just like there's a death,
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  someone died, and then it just it just jumps to
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  something else.
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  Speaker 1: That is true. Yeah, which I was gonna say, do
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  you do you want to read as the young boy
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  or do you want me to read as a young boy.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take this one because again this
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  is all this is like meeting a childhood friend only
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  to find out that he's like a crack addict now
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  and like homeless. So like this, this is gonna be
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  sad for me because like.
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  Speaker 1: Hale as old as time itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course the whole crack addict high school
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  friends story we all know it, of course, but like
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  this story was one of like my first exposures to
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  internet whoror and we see how that you know, lineage
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  took place in my life. So this is gonna be
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  really depressing for me. So I'll go ahead and start.
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  I had a bad dream and I woke up in
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  the middle of the night, says the boy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh come on, Well, first off, you gotta give us
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  more of a boy than that. If if he's a
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  little boy, come on, now.
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  Speaker 2: I had a bad dream. Is that better?
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  Speaker 1: It's horrible, Okay, go back to the regular.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I think I caught something when I
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  went to the range day, like the one of the
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  eight hundred influencers gave it to me.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, you definitely got sick from one of the
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  eight hundred influence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that or I got shot. I can't tell. But
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  either way, the little boy voice isn't happening today. So
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  we're going back to my first step. All right, okay, right,
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  I'm also holding the microphone closer to my mouth to
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  blow out everyone's speakers. I had a bad dream, and
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  I woke up in the middle of the night, says
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  the boy. I saw that for some reason, the window
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  was open, even though I remember it being closed before
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  I went to bed. I got up and shut it
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  once more. Afterwards, I simply crawled under my covers and
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  tried to get back to sleep. Wait, hold on, hold on,
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  immediately immediately, How old is the boy in this story?
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  Speaker 1: They This is one of the most frustrating things about
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  this entire thing is they do not give any agent
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  about any of the fucking care.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so let's say, let's say it's the kid
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  who's like I had a dream, woke up in the
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  middle of night. Let's be generous and say he's ten.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say ten. I think ten.
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  Speaker 2: It's fair it's a fair ten is a boy, right,
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  that's a fair point.
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  Speaker 1: It's a boy, so little boy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a ten year old who is speaking to the
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  police about attempted murder, and he says, I got up
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  and shut it once more. Afterwards, I simply crawled it like,
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  could you imagine a child speaking this way? I can't,
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  we can't.
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  Speaker 1: Afterwards, I simply crawled under my cover. Yeah no, it
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  doesn't work. No, And then it feels even weird where
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  it's like a nineteen year old having this play this
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  kind of thing and referring to it as a boy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had a nightmare and I woke up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got scared. I went to
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  find my mommy. We can't do this for the whole
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  like thing, because we'll be here all day. I'm sure. Yeah,
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  I just have a feeling so that that's my blanket
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  criticism for the whole story. Children don't talk that way anyway.
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  That's when I had a strange feeling like someone was
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  watching it. I looked up and nearly jumped out of
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  my bed there in the little ray of light illuminating
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  from between my curtains. I'm just sorry, I said, I
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  just said I wouldn't keep criticizing it for that, But
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  that's so funny. Illuminating from between my.
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  Speaker 1: Curtains, it's HP Lovecraft as a child, It's it's ten
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  year old HP Craft.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's illuminating from my behind me, Betweet, a pair
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  of two eyes.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, how old are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm shoven.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what what's that? That actor Keith David with
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  all the cool voices? This was Keith David.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love if this was
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  Keith David.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we could. I'm sure we could pay him
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  for a cameo, get him to narrate.
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  Speaker 1: I have to think, so, oh yeah, that'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be a good use for podcast funds anyway. Illuminating from
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  between my curtains were a pair of two eyes. These
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  weren't regular eyes. They were dark ominous eye, the dark
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  ominous eyes. They were bordered in black and just plain
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  out terrified me. That's when I saw his mouth, a long,
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  horrendous smile that made every hair on my body stand up.
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  The figure stood there watching me. Finally, after what seemed
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  like forever, he said it a simple phrase, but said
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  in a way only a madman could speak. He said
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  go to sleep. I let out a scream. That's what
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  sent him at me. He pulled up a knife, aiming
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  at my heart. He jumped on top of my bed.
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  I fought him back. I kicked, I punched, I rolled around,
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  trying to knock him off me. That's when my dad
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  busted in. The man threw the knife. It went into
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  my dad's shoulder. The man probably, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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  I just just the thought of, like, I know, movies
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  do it all the time, but it's really not that
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  easy to throw a knife.
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  Speaker 1: And like, trust me, as soon as you get done
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  with this this blurb, I have.
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  Speaker 2: Power through all right, the man through the knife. It
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  went into my dad's shoulder. The man probably would have
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  finished him off if one of the neighbors hadn't alerted
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  the police. They what okay, uh. They drove into the
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  parking lot and ran towards the door. The man turned
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  and ran down the hallway. I heard a smash, like
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  glass breaking. As I came out of my room, I
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  saw the window that was pointing towards the back of
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  my house was broken. I looked out it to see him.
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  I looked out it to see him vanish into the distance.
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  I can tell you one thing, I will never forget
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  that face, those cold, evil eyes, and that psychotic smile.
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  They will never leave my head.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the preamble entry into this story. We
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  haven't even gotten into who her main characters are. This
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  is just the excerpt from a survivor of something. Now,
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  let me tell you something. This is not a horrible
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  way to begin a story of a preamble of some
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  kind of newscast. It's fun. We see it in some
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  kind of movies. The problem with this for me is one,
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  like you said, the child doesn't sound like a child.
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  And then also there's a couple things. One, if we
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  are to assume that that is a child, am I
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  supposed to be something afraid of, something that can be
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  overpowered and kicked off by a tender Okay? What number one?
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  And the number two with the dad coming in, Is
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  it supposed to be bad ass that that this smiling
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  character can throw a knife to such a perfect degree
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  and hit the dad in the shoulder, Like, is this
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  is now an action sequence? It completely takes out any
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  of the actual suspense and terror of anything going on.
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  When I'm like, okay, now this is just turning it
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  like I'm picturing this smiling figures like Jason Statham or
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  something like that, like a tiny little man. But I
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  don't know this, this this whole thing. And then the.
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  Speaker 2: Police showing up, one of the worst because it's like
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  nothing was happening. He was hiding in the room. And
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  the struggle lasts maybe half a minute, maybe a minute,
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  and the police are in the driveway because the neighbor
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  called them, what.
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  Speaker 1: Like well, yeah, like what, well, how did the neighbor even?
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  And this is all very nitpicky. We can get of course,
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  we are here to bitch and complaints.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to.
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  Speaker 1: But but but I guess it's just the thing of
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  like don't don't immediately give the character an out, Like
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  don't give the villain like an out immediately, or the
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  the the victims an out. I should say what it's like, well,
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  thank god, the neighbors just kind of so happened to
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  hear something. It takes away all of the weight and momentum.
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  But I do. But this is going to come back later.
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  I do want to put this out later because like
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  I said, I thought that this was interesting, But I
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  will be harping on it later. So we are now
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  introduced to our main character, Jeff, a young man presumably
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  mid teens, because once again, God forbid they give us
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  any kind of age to really give an idea, not
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  even like a grade like they say, because the old
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  thing here is where he's presumably mid teens, just you know,
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  him and his family just moved to quote a new
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  fancy neighborhood following his dad's promotion at work. Jeff along
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  with his mom whose name is Margaret, and his dad Peter,
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  and Jeff has a younger brother named Lou, who are
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  kind of just going along with this new place. But
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  they're living in this you know, they're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's cool that this is a news this is
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  coming to me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, we're in a new neighborhood and it's
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  cool because dad got a promotion and we live in
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  a quote unquote fancy neighborhood. But then they're interrupted by
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  their neighbor, Barbara, who stops by to introduce herself and
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  her son named Billy, who seems to be much younger
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  than Jeff and his brother Lou, but invites them over
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  to Billy's birthday party, in which Jeff's mom agrees to
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  have them all over, but Jeff isn't having it, and
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  he quote says, mom, why would you invite us to
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  say kids party? If you haven't noticed, I'm not some
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  dumb kid. That's a legitimate quote.
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  Speaker 2: That was actually like, I forget until you do it
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  that you can actually do impressions really well, because.
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  Speaker 1: I can do the quotes from now and if you
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  want me to, I'll do.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do the quotes. I can do the reading, but
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  I need you to do the children.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do. Yeah, I can do the I'll do the acting. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, that sounds good, It sounds dope, all right, Uh yeah,
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  I'm remembering details of this story now. It does follow
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  like everything so far as a stereotype like cold open.
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  Someone tries to die, tries to die, it tries to
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  not die, you know what I mean, they tried to die.
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  Someone tries to die. Yeah, and then it's like, well,
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  we just moved to the new neighborhood, but the neighbors
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  are you know, it feels very very night standard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I immediately started. I mean, like the beginning blurb sure
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  has his mistakes, but it wasn't until this direct quote,
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  which is why I put it in here where I said,
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  oh god, we're in for. This is going to be
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  some schlocky cheesy which I have no idea who wrote
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  this story, but I assume it was someone who was
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  probably around the same age as Jeff, which is also
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  probably why they never allude to the actual age of anybody,
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  because they're just like, that's my age, you know, That's
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  how I'm seeing it. Yeah, but I love that. I
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  love this line. It feels like something out of a
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  cheesy like extremely be to your.
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  Speaker 2: Horror filled like the other kids, mom, why would.
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  Speaker 1: You invite us to some kids party if you haven't
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  noticed I'm not some dumb kid, which is so cliche
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  of like I'm older now, mom, I'm an old kid.
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  But it doesn't come across as like also like genuine
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  or charismatic. It comes across as fucking like annoying. And
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  it immediately sets in my mind that Jeff is an incel.
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  I immediately started saying he's like a Reddit four chan
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  kid who's like god. And then now, because then I
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  started reading, I was like, oh god, his line read
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  so much better.
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  Speaker 4: If it is like this and he's like, mob, why
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  wouldn't you invite us to some kids pozy? If you
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  haven't though thisiced I'm not some dumb kid. God, it's
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  so much better. It's like a nasally annoying, like we
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  got moved into this fancy neighborhood, thanks dad.
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  Speaker 2: It does keep it does keep the tone of like,
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  don't you know I'm better than this, don't you know
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  I'm above all this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be on rud Escape. I don't want
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  to be hanging out with Billy. I'm supposed to be
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  killing rats and run escape.
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  Speaker 2: I have better things to do than socialized mom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're idiot, but Jeff's But Jeff's mom. She'sn't having
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  it all right, she doesn't give a shit. She's like,
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  you're gonna go to the party, all right, that's final.
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  She's like, you know, we need a socialized you to
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  get out of your room and stop playing RuneScape. That's
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  that's an ad lib. That that's you know, that's not
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  in the story. But this what I like to think.
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  And Jeff goes up to his room, realizing that arguing
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  with his mom isn't going to get him anywhere. But
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  then something strange happens and quote this is from the story.
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  He says he walked up to his room and plopped
• 19:12
  down on his bed. He sat there looking at his
• 19:14
  ceiling when suddenly he got a weird feeling, not so
• 19:18
  much a pain, but a weird feeling. He dismissed it
• 19:22
  as if some random feeling. He heard his mother call
• 19:25
  him down to get his stuff, and he walked down
• 19:28
  to get it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: So I like about this is it seems a very feeling.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: He had a feeling that was a feeling. It wasn't
• 19:37
  a painful feeling, but it was a weird feeling, which
• 19:41
  I don't know what kind of mental psychosis Jeff is
• 19:44
  starting to feel. But this is where I'm like, this
• 19:46
  is immediately once again, like I said, it's gonna start
• 19:50
  coming full circle. But this little thing is it doesn't
• 19:53
  feel like a feeling. It feels like mental deterioration. It
• 19:56
  feels like somebody going kind of becoming a bit wacky,
• 20:01
  is what I would.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I completely forgot about this until just now that that
• 20:06
  was something they tried to build in that like this child,
• 20:09
  this child is just setting in his bed and he's
• 20:12
  he gets a feeling feeling. I completely forgot about that.
• 20:15
  This is way for the podcast. This is much better
• 20:19
  than I remember. But like objectively, this is way worse than.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I reading this whole preamel is you showed the
• 20:28
  how immature it is. But it's it's it's charming. I
• 20:31
  don't want to completely on it. It has a layer
• 20:34
  of charm to it, but it's the idea of like
• 20:36
  it's something charming because it's so it's so amateur. But
• 20:42
  it's like what what feeling though, Like I don't know
• 20:45
  what feeling is. It's like, it's a feeling. I literally
• 20:49
  thought that is true, it is a feeling. I was
• 20:51
  wondering at this I was wondering at this point is
• 20:53
  it going to go into magic because it's like it's
• 20:57
  not a pain feeling but a weird feeling. And I'm like,
• 21:00
  is he going to get super powerful?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but by the end of the story
• 21:04
  he does, by the way, like I do. Yeah, yeah, yes. Also,
• 21:11
  but something I want to clarify if you've never for
• 21:14
  one one of the reasons we're making fun of it
• 21:16
  as much as we are is this is one of
• 21:17
  the bedrocks of like internet horror and one of the
• 21:19
  things that got me into it originally. So it's like
• 21:22
  making fun of my grandpa, right, like it it's very important.
• 21:26
  I recognize it's very important. I'm still gonna mock it
• 21:30
  for like throwing up at Thanksgiving, right because it's I.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Think that people also need to understand that sometimes when
• 21:37
  you point and you are having fun with something, it's
• 21:41
  not that necessarily you don't like it. But I think
• 21:42
  it's like you can you can laugh at things that
• 21:44
  you appreciate and that you like. I think that people
• 21:46
  don't understand that. I think that's why so many people
• 21:48
  get up in arms when it's like, you don't like
• 21:50
  this thing that I like, and it's like, I do
• 21:52
  like it, but it is kind of stupid and fun. Yeah,
• 21:55
  so I think that it's I I like plenty of
• 21:57
  things and I respect plenty of things that I love
• 21:59
  to point at that I know are objectively kind of shitty,
• 22:02
  but that's fine. Yeah, that's That's a part of the
• 22:05
  beautiful thing about just even these stories is that if
• 22:10
  you all of them were bangers, none of them would
• 22:12
  be remotely special. Like you have to have these kind
• 22:16
  of goofy ones to really appreciate not only the goofy
• 22:19
  stories but the ones that are made. Yeah, you know
• 22:22
  that are very good.
• 22:22
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  Speaker 1: Jeff has a similar feeling the next day, feeling. He
• 25:03
  has a feeling the nextel, all right, except this time
• 25:06
  he compares it to a tugging pain. So I'm like, okay,
• 25:08
  well now he's having a heart attack or something. I
• 25:10
  don't know what's happening to him. But he dismisses it.
• 25:12
  Good man, you know, Jeff, Jeff, he feels the pain.
• 25:16
  He says, whatever, I don't care. And Jeff and his
• 25:18
  brother finished their breakfast and go to the bus stop
• 25:20
  where we get maybe one of the cringiest antagonist intros ever,
• 25:24
  which is a boy named Randy.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, and please do absolutely also for everyone listening if
• 25:31
  you think we're jumping, because we went from a murder
• 25:33
  description at the beginning to this. That's how the story goes.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: This is the legitimate flow of the story.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: We have not skipped anything. It goes from someone almost
• 25:42
  nine to I'm not like those other kids, and then
• 25:45
  what I'm about to read? Okay, yeah, all right, So
• 25:48
  referring to the bullies at the bus stop, they sat
• 25:52
  there waiting for the bus, and then all of a sudden,
• 25:56
  some kid on a skateboard jumped over them, only inches
• 25:59
  above their laps. They both jumped back in surprise. Hey
• 26:03
  what the hell? The kid landed and turned back to them.
• 26:07
  He kicked his skateboard up and caught it with his hands.
• 26:10
  The kid seems to be about twelve, one year younger
• 26:13
  than Jeff. Oh, we got an age. Jeff is thirteen,
• 26:17
  Jeff's thirteen, Jeff thirteen. Okay, cool, that makes this way
• 26:20
  worse for him. But continuing, the kid seems to be
• 26:25
  about twelve one year younger than Jeff. He wears an
• 26:29
  air Apostle shirt and wears blue jeans. So Jeff and
• 26:36
  his brother are at the buzz stead and then this kid,
• 26:39
  as described an Air Apostle shirt of ripped jeans, jumps
• 26:43
  a skateboard over them. Well, well, well it looks like
• 26:46
  we got some new meats a twelve year old.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It's a twelve year old.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Suddenly two other kids appeared. One was super skinny and
• 27:01
  the other was huge. Well, since you're new here, I'd
• 27:04
  like to introduce ourselves. Over there is Keith, Jeff and
• 27:10
  Lou look over to the skinny kid. He had a
• 27:13
  dopey face that you would expect a sidekick to have.
• 27:19
  That's pretty that's that's pretty mean to just be like,
• 27:22
  he looks like a sidekick.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You're a sidekick, Keith, you look just like a shidekick.
• 27:27
  He's like, really, I'm.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Keith and he's Troy. They look over at the fat kid.
• 27:37
  Talk about a tub of lard. That's not that's not
• 27:41
  a quote. That's the story calling him a tub of lard.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, from the story, talk about a tuble large.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Geez. The narrator had to be like, this kid was bad.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Well read the next line.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: This kid looked like he had an exerciseense. He was crawling.
• 28:01
  What why is it a narrator telling us that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I really want to put emphasis how fat this child
• 28:09
  is is such a problem in this country.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Character to explain to the audience how fat this person was.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: He's large, so large.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And I said the first kid am Randy. Now for
• 28:25
  all the kids in this neighborhood, there's a small price
• 28:27
  for buzzfair if you catch my drift. This twelve year
• 28:30
  old's running a racketeering scam. If you catch that drift.
• 28:34
  Loose stood up ready to punch the lights out of
• 28:36
  the kid's eyes when one of his friends pulled a
• 28:39
  knife on him.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Bro, what exactly exactly?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Wait, dude, I think I just remembered where this is going.
• 28:48
  This story's insane. When I read this at like eleven
• 28:51
  years old, this all made sense. I'm like, Yeah, this
• 28:53
  is a clear this is clearly a viable like story,
• 28:57
  this could happen. But oh my gosh.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hitting every possible cliche it can. It's trying
• 29:04
  to be seven different stories so far, it's trying to be.
• 29:08
  It's basically like it starts off with ad Jason Statham
• 29:11
  action sequence and now it's veering its way into like
• 29:13
  it territory is what it feels like. Like the weird
• 29:16
  like bullies who had like they're like speak easy like
• 29:19
  nineteen fifties doop haircuts and knives and they're riding skateboards
• 29:24
  and they're like, hey, kiss tiss tiss. You know what
• 29:26
  I mean, I'm.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Literally pull a knife on another child.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, which which also, what child did you ever
• 29:34
  know growing up who had like a butterfly knife?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: What?
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: What child at all did you know growing up threaten
• 29:41
  somebody with a knife that wasn't born in nineteen thirty three.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I'll give you this from East Tennessee. I knew a
• 29:49
  lot of kids had knives, like because we thought it
• 29:51
  was cool. I never I was never in a knife fight.
• 29:54
  I never knew someone my age who got into a
• 29:56
  knife fight. That it doesn't happen that much.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it could just be like a random
• 30:02
  litle pocket knife. I just always imagine like the one
• 30:05
  that you clicked to, like the butterfly now for when
• 30:07
  you like click it like.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: A yeah exactly, like one of those where it's just like,
• 30:16
  don't be screaming to nobody.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: You'll be sleeping with the fishes.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You'll be sleeping with the fishes when I dice up
• 30:26
  with my little knife.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Literally a child not twelve years old, yeah, man, okay.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: All right, does not have any ball hairs on his balls,
• 30:35
  just a prepyvescent child probably so yes, really, hey, I'm
• 30:39
  gonna cut you with my knife.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: He sounds like Mickey Mouse, like he.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Does Mickey Mouse every prest and boy sounds like I
• 30:47
  digress ahead.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So after he fools a knife, he says, tiss, tiss, tiss.
• 30:53
  I had hoped you would be more cooperative. Okay, all right,
• 30:59
  we're gonna be here all day if I don't power through.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But oh my god, I have to just power throw.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You like he's a like a sith lord,
• 31:07
  like he's Darth Vader. I hope you.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Young Jedi.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It's like Marlon Brando.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, Marlon Brando, like Christopher Lee.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, but it seems we must do
• 31:24
  this the hard way. The kid walked up to Lou
• 31:28
  and took his wallet out of his pocket. Jeff got
• 31:31
  that feeling again. There's that feeling now. It was truly strong,
• 31:36
  a burning sensation, kind of like you know, syphilis. Uh.
• 31:41
  He stood up, but Lou gestured him to sit down.
• 31:44
  Jeff ignored him and walked up to the kid. Listen, here,
• 31:48
  you little punk, give back my bros. Give back my
• 31:53
  bro's wallet or else. Randy put the wallet in his
• 31:56
  pocket and pulled out his own knife. Wait. I thought
• 31:58
  Randy was holding a knife one of the Did one
• 32:01
  of the other kids have a knife?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was the other kid pulled it out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, there's multiple one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotcha. Gotcha.
• 32:09
  The sidekick or the tub of lard is the story
• 32:11
  called them.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. The dopey faced sidekick, the genetic abomination,
• 32:16
  or the tub of lard.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crash. Just so, Randy pulls out his own knife.
• 32:23
  Oh and what will you do? Just as he finished
• 32:26
  the sentence, Jeff popped the kid in the nose. As
• 32:29
  Randy reached for his face, Jeff grabbed the kid's wrist
• 32:32
  and broke it. What the Randy streamed, and Jeff grabbed
• 32:36
  the knife from his hand. Troy and Keith rushed Jeff,
• 32:40
  but Jeff was too quick. He threw Randy to the ground.
• 32:44
  Keith lashed out at him, but Jeff ducked and stabbed
• 32:47
  him in the arm. Keith dropped his knife and fell
• 32:51
  to the ground, screaming. Troy rushed him too, but Jeff
• 32:54
  didn't even need the knife. He just punched Troy straight
• 32:57
  in the stomach and Troy went down. As he fell,
• 33:00
  he puked all over. Lou could do nothing but look
• 33:03
  in amazement at Jeff.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: What the what's again? Another concrete another amazing concrete action
• 33:11
  sequence of Jeff, the thirteen year old getting business done, basically.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Dodging stabbing people, like what the Yes, this is a
• 33:21
  this is also supposed to be This is also once.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Again we quote a fancy neighborhood, and yet there's all
• 33:26
  these rap scallion and hooligans going on like a nineteen
• 33:29
  fifties like do wop street warfare happening for something.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: There is a class system in this neighborhood. The children
• 33:36
  are left to the animals that they are.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It is a literal lord of flies going on in
• 33:42
  this neighborhood. But they they seeing the bus coming, the
• 33:46
  Jeff and Lou, the brothers, they they they know that
• 33:49
  they're going to be blamed for the assault on these people,
• 33:51
  which you know, I mean, it is their problem, but
• 33:54
  there's a good justification of like three people coming nice.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I guess it's time to make come on, But you're
• 34:00
  also twelve.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: They didn't know that they were getting ready to stab
• 34:02
  Jason Bourne, but still they didn't know what to do,
• 34:05
  so they decided to run away. Jeff and Lou decided
• 34:07
  to run away, only looking back to see the bus
• 34:09
  driver tending to Randy on the ground. The brothers went
• 34:11
  to school and didn't tell anybody what happened. And uh,
• 34:16
  this is this is another little excerpt from the story.
• 34:18
  It says all they did was sit and listen. Lu
• 34:21
  just thought. Lu just thought of that his brother beating
• 34:24
  up a few kids. But Jeff knew.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: It was more it was something scary.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: As he got that feeling, he felt, God, here we go,
• 34:32
  Good Lord, dude. As he got that feeling, he felt
• 34:35
  up was he got that feeling, he felt how powerful
• 34:38
  it was, the urge.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Just to hurt someone.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: He didn't like how it sounded, but he couldn't help
• 34:44
  feeling happy. He felt that strange feeling go away and
• 34:48
  stay away for the entire day of school, even even
• 34:52
  as he walked home due to the whole thing near
• 34:54
  the bus stop. Wait what even as he walked home.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Due to the whole thing near the bus stop.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Bus stop, and how now he probably wouldn't be taking
• 35:04
  the bus anymore. Basically, even as he walked home, and
• 35:07
  how he wouldn't be taking the bus even.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Though he even though he realized he can't use the
• 35:10
  bus anymore, I see Okay.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, sorry, it's a good lord. When
• 35:15
  he got home, his parents asked him how his day was,
• 35:17
  and he said, in a somewhat ominous voice, it was
• 35:20
  a wonderful day.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on once again.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Once again, we're getting some very in cell energy now.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I said, for sure. But also
• 35:28
  there's no like he used the kids pulling a knife
• 35:33
  on him as an excuse to hurt them. He already
• 35:36
  had that feeling, as the story made clear, before that happened.
• 35:39
  So Jeff wants to hurt people because he moved to
• 35:43
  a nice neighborhood.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Jeff moving to a nice neighborhood was probably the worst
• 35:48
  thing that could have ever happened to him.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: What he needs to kill people now? According to him?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently now this this feeling, which the feeling that
• 35:56
  we're feeling, the feeling that we felt before, that we
• 35:58
  felt and we're feeling now that we felt that we
• 36:00
  feel is Jeff. Is Jeff basically being like, I feel
• 36:05
  like I want to hurt someone, which, once again, only
• 36:09
  as the narrative that does this not sound like some
• 36:12
  four chan in cel school shooter vibes? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 36:16
  I mean it's becoming more and more clear. So I
• 36:18
  was like, Okay, where are we going with this? Which
• 36:20
  the next morning, officers show up to Jeff's house wanting
• 36:22
  to speak with him about the assault on Randy, which
• 36:25
  is just funny. I like, you know, I love that.
• 36:27
  It's the salt on Randy. You hurt Randy, Jeff, he's
• 36:32
  twelve and he has a skateboard. Jeff, come on. Jeff
• 36:34
  tries to explain that Randy was the one who pulled
• 36:36
  the knife on them, but with the injuries Jeff looked.
• 36:39
  But with all of the injuries that Randy, the fat
• 36:42
  tub of shit and the skinny guy had, Jeff looked
• 36:45
  like a complete monster. You look too guilty. So Jeff
• 36:48
  confesses to the crime, and which this is funny. I
• 36:50
  do like that. This is also a direct quote. The
• 36:52
  officer literally says. After Jeff's like.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it, all right, I did it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: The officer says, will kid looks like a year in Juvie?
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: What what kind of red.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Damn you got to hear? And Juvie going your way?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: You know what? You know? That actually further backs up
• 37:17
  your theory that this was written by like a kid
• 37:19
  or like you know, pre.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Telling high school whatever it has to.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Be, because only they would think that. Like the way
• 37:24
  it works is a cop shows up and it's like,
• 37:27
  you stab this kid, Well, i'll put you in Juvie
• 37:29
  a year, come.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: On direct to Juvie with you, son. Ye looks like one,
• 37:35
  one exact year of Juvie. Come in your way, all right?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: The bill, So that exactly, it's like, yeah, and I
• 37:41
  just decided that right now, and that's how it's gonna work.
• 37:43
  You're coming with me.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I am the judge and the executioner that you're going
• 37:47
  to be put to death.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Jeff, the author has never even heard of a courtroom.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they they think that that's a made up
• 37:54
  place for a TV show.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And also also the idea that you can if the
• 37:59
  if the court finds that you maliciously stabbed another child,
• 38:04
  they're just like one year.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: One exact year.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah to.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You, Jeff, the man with feelings? Who you felt Jeff?
• 38:12
  Are you feeling those feelings now? Maybe? Have you felt
• 38:16
  them when you feel them? Have you felt them when
• 38:18
  you feel them? And you felt them when you felt
• 38:21
  feeled Jeff?
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, hold on, hold on? Can I read this
• 38:26
  next part? This is so good. Yeah, go ahead, I'm
• 38:27
  looking at this text document right now. Okay. So cops like, well,
• 38:31
  it looks like you're going to jail for a year,
• 38:32
  and then says Lou interjects at the top of the
• 38:35
  stairs holding a knife, in which all the officers immediately
• 38:39
  pull out their guns and pointed at the child holding
• 38:43
  a kitchen knife. Oh my gosh. Lou confesses for the
• 38:49
  crime to say Jeff, and everyone just believes him, even
• 38:53
  though wouldn't Brandy tell them who didn't. But at the end,
• 39:03
  Jeff's mother consolets Jeff by saying, quote, Jeff, please, you
• 39:08
  don't have to lie. We know it's Lou. You can
• 39:11
  stop bro, bro Okay. So the cops like Randy's like, hey,
• 39:15
  I got stabbed by this kid who's a year older
• 39:18
  than me, and the cops go to his house and
• 39:20
  then they're like, well, you're going to jail for a year.
• 39:22
  But then an unrelated child is like, actually I did it,
• 39:27
  and the cops like works for me. He throws back
• 39:31
  kid literally, he just throws the police car. And then
• 39:35
  the mom's like, yeah, I mean sure it's still my son,
• 39:38
  but who cares, Like, get over it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: It's just it's insane to me that they sit there
• 39:42
  and they're like, yes, like a kid's just like I'm
• 39:45
  holding a knife basically essentially like a eleven or twelve
• 39:48
  year old, because I think lou is younger than Jeff.
• 39:52
  So he's sit at the top of the steps with
• 39:53
  a knife and then all the cops immediately pull a
• 39:56
  gun out on him, like I mean, like three cops
• 39:58
  pull a gun. They're like, drop the knock, and he's like,
• 40:01
  I did it, I did the crime, and they're like,
• 40:05
  all right, we believe you. And when I was reading it,
• 40:08
  I was like, why wouldn't Randon just be like, no,
• 40:09
  that's not it's the other guy. If that's not the
• 40:12
  kid who beat the shit out of me, stabbed a
• 40:15
  younger brother too, yeah, exactly.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: So now it's like a nine year old like decked
• 40:20
  out these three old.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Exactly and they're like, all right, fine, a year for you,
• 40:26
  nine year old boy in juvie.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: That's that's how the works. I'm sorry, I've gotta do it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I love how uh I love how his mom, Margaret
• 40:38
  is just so like she just it's so funny, how
• 40:42
  dumb they write her like she's just like Jeff, please
• 40:44
  you don't have to lie. We know it's Lou.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: You can stop.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: What kind of sentence? What kind of human sentence is that?
• 40:52
  It feels like Margaret Bot came up. It's like she's
• 40:54
  like just some kind of robot and she's like, Jeff, please,
• 40:56
  you don't have to lie. We know it's Lou. You
• 40:59
  can what would you like for dinning on Saden? But Jeff,
• 41:04
  he's riddled with guilt. Now you know, his brother's taking
• 41:07
  the blame for feeling alone in this new town. And
• 41:09
  a couple of days passed and it's Saturday. Only a
• 41:11
  couple of days, right, since like put that in context,
• 41:16
  a couple of days have passed since the mom and
• 41:19
  the family have found out that their son stabbed and
• 41:21
  be demanded death. Jeff has been this depressed sack of shit,
• 41:24
  staying up in his room, feeling all depressed. Whatever guns
• 41:27
  were pulled on your child who was holding a knife
• 41:29
  like a complete fucking psychopath. And all of a sudden,
• 41:32
  Jeff was woke it up by his mother to let
• 41:34
  him know that, hey, we have to get remember Billy.
• 41:36
  We need to get ready for Billy's birthday party. Barbara,
• 41:39
  you know, remember her son. We're going to the birthday party.
• 41:42
  And that's when I just wanted to read this excerpt
• 41:46
  because this is really funny. This is a long blurb
• 41:48
  from it, but it's a very funny back and forth,
• 41:50
  so I wanted to read this. It's a Jeff, it's
• 41:53
  the day, she said as she opened up the curtains
• 41:55
  let the light flood in the room. What's today, asked
• 42:00
  Jeff as he stirs awake. Why it's Billy's party? He
• 42:04
  was now fully awake. Mom, you're joking, right, you don't
• 42:08
  expect me? They good sub kid's putty. After there was
• 42:11
  a long pause. There's a lot of also long pauses.
• 42:14
  It's very anime. I've noticed a lot of It's like,
• 42:17
  you don't expect me to go to some kids putty after, Jeff,
• 42:24
  we both know what happened. I think this party would
• 42:27
  be a good thing that brightens up the past days. Now,
• 42:30
  get dressed. Jeff's mother walked out of the room and
• 42:33
  downstairs to get ready herself. He fought himself to get up.
• 42:36
  He picked out a random shirt and a pair of
• 42:38
  jeans and walked downstairs. He saw his mother and father
• 42:41
  all dressed up. His mother in a dress and his
• 42:43
  father in a suit. He thought, why would they be
• 42:46
  wearing why would they ever wear such fancy clothes to
• 42:49
  a kid's party? Son, son, is that all you're going
• 42:53
  to wear? Said Jeff's mom. Better than wearing too much,
• 42:56
  he said. His mother pushed down the feeling to yell
• 42:58
  at him and hit it with a smile.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: Now, now, Jeff, we may be overdressed, but this is
• 43:06
  how you go if.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: You want to make an impression, said his father. Jeff
• 43:11
  grunted and went back up to his room. I don't
• 43:13
  have any fancy clothes, he yelled downstairs. Just pick out something,
• 43:17
  called his mother. He looked around his closet for what
• 43:20
  he would call fancy. He would find a pair of
• 43:22
  black dress pants he had for special occasions and undershirt.
• 43:26
  He couldn't find a shirt to go with it, though.
• 43:28
  He looked around and found some striped and patterned shirts,
• 43:31
  none of which go with dress pants. Finally, he found
• 43:34
  a white hoodie and put it on. You're wearing that,
• 43:37
  they both said. His mother looked at her watch. Oh,
• 43:41
  no time to change, let's go, she just she said
• 43:45
  as she heard it. Jeff and his father out the
• 43:48
  door that crossed the street over to Barbara and Billy's house.
• 43:50
  Now I quoted all this because one, what a completely
• 43:53
  inhuman interaction to have. And then two, here's a couple
• 43:56
  of things. Why he said something up here where I
• 44:00
  was like, okay, we get this dialogue of him saying
• 44:04
  he picked out a random shirt and a pair of
• 44:05
  jeans and walk down the stairs he saw his mother
• 44:07
  and father all dressed up, his mother and a dress
• 44:09
  and his father in a suit. He thought, why would
• 44:11
  they why they would ever wear such a fancy clothes
• 44:15
  to a kid's party? So I thought, okay, is this
• 44:17
  going to set up some kind of weird like orientation
• 44:22
  thing something of like I don't I don't know something
• 44:26
  devious or whatever.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: To wear.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And then to also be mad that he's not wearing
• 44:32
  because he essentially puts on a shirt and jeans. That's
• 44:36
  not the worst out for a child's birthday party.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like what are what are they doing at
• 44:41
  the child's party? Like talking about the stock market? They're
• 44:44
  going to play around in the yard.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, and you would think that it's setting up
• 44:48
  something to be more than what it is. And then
• 44:51
  there's also like this rushed aspect of her being like
• 44:54
  there's no time, we have to go. They live next door.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And it's a child's birthday party.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: It's not a child's birthday party next door.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Also so odd? But also who on earth? Like, okay,
• 45:06
  so it's a child's birthday party, right, and the parents
• 45:09
  are going for some reason. But this is the same
• 45:12
  woman who, when she found out her even younger son
• 45:15
  was responsible for his stabbing, was just like, Jeff, clearly
• 45:19
  your younger brother, like the cop said, he's going to
• 45:22
  jail for a year. So let's stop thinking about that
• 45:24
  and let's wear our ball gown to this other child's
• 45:28
  birthday party.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's play dress up as if we're going to
• 45:31
  prom and go to this young person's birthday party. Which also,
• 45:35
  that's a funny thing of like, we know that you're
• 45:37
  upset that your brother is a psychopath. Jeff, all right,
• 45:40
  we get it, but we have to go make an
• 45:41
  impression with the neighbors. Why why would you need that?
• 45:44
  And then also how how would the neighbors not be like, hey,
• 45:49
  by the way, you guys aren't invited anymore since your
• 45:51
  kids are fucking psychopaths. But no, they're just like, hey,
• 45:55
  please come over be alone with my children. I really
• 45:58
  want you to be alone with my children. Jeff, that
• 46:00
  your manic, and this happened three days ago, but please
• 46:04
  be alone with her and one kid.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: The weird thing that they're in the neighborhood for one
• 46:07
  day and a kid gets stabbed.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Like literally not.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Weird.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: One day and Jeff stabs the kids and breaks their
• 46:16
  wrists with ease, mind you, with ease to break someone's bones,
• 46:21
  I feel like would be relative. I mean, I have
• 46:23
  never done it, but I have to imagine you'd have
• 46:26
  to have some kind of godlike force to just do,
• 46:29
  especially as a child.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Well, it would have to be feeling.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: The feeling was felt and reciprocated that he felt the feeling.
• 46:37
  That is true, which they go. They go over to
• 46:41
  the party and Jeff notices that at the party all
• 46:45
  of the adults are inside and the kids are outside.
• 46:47
  Barbara tells Jeff to go outside and play with the kids,
• 46:50
  which at first he doesn't like. He doesn't like being
• 46:54
  out there hanging out with him, but he almost immediately
• 46:56
  says he has a fun time when he quote pretends
• 46:58
  to shoot kids at the party because it was the
• 47:01
  first time he hadn't thought about his brother in Julie,
• 47:04
  which I thought was very funny killing children, Bang, bang,
• 47:11
  you're dead? Bang once again? Does that not read like
• 47:14
  a school shooter? I mean, honestly, does that? How were
• 47:17
  we not prepping up that this is a school shooter thing.
• 47:19
  I was like, Okay, I feel like I'm kind of
• 47:21
  reading this from a mile away. Sure, but no, you know,
• 47:26
  but and then you you think that it's going somewhere,
• 47:28
  and then once again you have the weird the weird
• 47:32
  crossover with like the importance of being in a dress
• 47:35
  up situation, which that goes nowhere. You go outside, and
• 47:38
  then he's like, oh, I feel good about, you know,
• 47:41
  fake killing these kids. Yeah, I'm having fun. I'm not
• 47:44
  thinking about my brother and Jaleen anymore. Okay, so this
• 47:47
  is probably going to be him, I guess, not able
• 47:50
  to control that that crazy feeling, right maybe yeah, yeah,
• 47:56
  I God, I love killing. That's the feeling. I love killing.
• 47:59
  And you're like, okay, that makes sense, but no, it
• 48:01
  doesn't go anywhere from there. Instead, suddenly at this party,
• 48:05
  right this backyard party, Randy, the kid who pulled the
• 48:10
  knife and had the skateboard all him, Randy and his
• 48:13
  fat friend and the skinny guy hop over the fence
• 48:16
  at the party, and all hell is about to break loose,
• 48:18
  which I was gonna say, if you want to take
• 48:20
  this party, I also.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Want to for listeners. They're probably listening to this and
• 48:26
  thinking like, what the where did that come from? Like
• 48:28
  he's talking about shooting kids, I'm telling you, And then
• 48:31
  it just says they show up. This is what this
• 48:34
  is verbati.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: This is the legitimate flow.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to read the sentence right there. It says,
• 48:39
  so he played with the kids for a while until
• 48:41
  he heard a noise, a weird rolling noise. Then it
• 48:44
  hit him. Randy, Troy and Keith all jumped over the
• 48:47
  fence on their skateboards like it goes just like him,
• 48:53
  fantasize and shooting children to the gangs here. We gotta
• 48:58
  get out of here.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: You wop nineteen fifties clan is here to wreak havoc
• 49:03
  on Billy's birthday party. Billy should be pissed, but we
• 49:06
  never hear from Billy. Wish I could hear his perspective,
• 49:08
  but so what So Yeah, suddenly Randy and his goons
• 49:12
  top are the fence and all hell is about.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: The break rust And then it says, hello, Jeff, is it?
• 49:18
  He said? We have some unfinished business.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Jeff, so anime? So anime?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Jeff saw his bruised nose. I think we're even. I
• 49:29
  beat the crap out of you, and you've got my
• 49:32
  brother sent to JDC. This does feel like an anime, Like.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think we're even. I beat the
• 49:39
  crap out of you, and you've got my brother sent
• 49:41
  to JDC.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: They're making those weird like moanin noise to themselves as
• 49:48
  the others talking god.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Like, hello, Jeff, is it? He said? And he put
• 49:57
  he pushes up his glasses or whatever with his pinky.
• 50:00
  He's like, we have.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Some unfished Randy got. Randy got an angry look in
• 50:08
  his eyes. Oh no, I don't go for even. I
• 50:11
  go for winning. Oh gosh, God, good lord, I go
• 50:16
  all right, hold on, I have to lean into it.
• 50:20
  Oh no, I don't go for even. I go for winning.
• 50:23
  You may have kicked our asses that one day, but
• 50:26
  not today. I just got what you were doing. They're
• 50:34
  like ugh as he has he hold on, hold on,
• 50:40
  I will you be Jeff for the rest of the scene,
• 50:42
  and I'll be ready. Okay, all right, I'll do the narration.
• 50:45
  But if it gets to a Jeff line, you take it. Okay, Yeah, Well,
• 50:49
  as he said that, Randy rushed at Jeff. They both
• 50:52
  fell to the ground. Randy punched Jeff in the nose,
• 50:55
  and Jeff grabbed him by the ears and head butted him.
• 50:58
  Jeff pushed Randy off of him and both rose to
• 51:00
  their feet. Kids were screaming and parents were running out
• 51:03
  of the house. Troy and Keith both pulled guns out
• 51:06
  of their pocket. Depot pulled guns out their pockets on
• 51:12
  the parents. Okay, no one interrupts, or guts will fly,
• 51:17
  they said.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Randy.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Randy pulled a knife on Jeff and stabbed it into
• 51:24
  his shoulder. Jeff screamed and fell to his knees. Randy
• 51:28
  started kicking him in the face. After three kicks, Jeff
• 51:32
  grabs his foot and twists it, causing Randy to fall
• 51:35
  to the ground. Jeff stood up and walked towards the
• 51:38
  back door. Troy grabbed him. Needs some help. He picks
• 51:43
  Jeff up by the bat It's literally the fight. Thing
• 51:46
  like going somewhere, I'm telling you. He picks Jeff up
• 51:53
  by the back of the collar and throws him through
• 51:56
  the patio door. As Jeff tries to stay, He's kicked down.
• 52:01
  He's kicked down to the ground. Randy repeatedly starts kicking
• 52:05
  Jeff until he starts coughing up blood. Come on, Jeff,
• 52:10
  fight me. He picks Jeff up and throws him into
• 52:13
  the kitchen. Randy sees a bottle of vodka on the
• 52:16
  counter and smashes the glass over Jeff's head.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: To a twelve year old, this is a twove year old,
• 52:22
  by the way, this is a This is a this
• 52:25
  is a gang of a posse of twelve.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Old God guns that the parents right now.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: They have twelve year olds, have guns at gunpoint, keeping
• 52:37
  everybody hostage. Basically, all this fight has happened.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: In a quote nice neighborhood.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: And a quote unquote fancy and nice neighborhood.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he smashes vodka over jeff'said and goes fight.
• 52:53
  He throws Jeff back into the living room. Come on, Jeff,
• 52:56
  look at me. Jeff glances up, his face riddled with blood.
• 53:02
  I was the one who got your bread. I was
• 53:08
  the one who got your brother sent to JDC. And
• 53:11
  now you're just gonna sit there and let him rotten
• 53:14
  there for a whole year. You should be ashamed. Jeff
• 53:18
  starts to get up. Oh finally you stand, and oh
• 53:24
  finally you stand and fight. Jeff is now to his feet,
• 53:28
  blood and vodka on his face. Once again, he gets
• 53:32
  that strange feeling, He gets that shit. Oh my gosh,
• 53:43
  the feeling keeps showing up. Once again, he gets that
• 53:46
  strange feeling, the one in which he hasn't felt for
• 53:49
  a while. I thought he was feeling it that day.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, he felt it continuously for the whole story.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yes, finally he's up, says in my head. Andy.
• 54:00
  Sounds like vegeta like.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Every Finally he's up.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, finally he's up, says Randy as he runs at Jeff.
• 54:10
  That's when it happens. Something inside Jeff snaps. His psyche
• 54:15
  is destroyed, All rational thinking is gone. All he can
• 54:19
  do is kill. He grabs Randy and pile drives him
• 54:26
  to the ground. He gets on top of him and
• 54:28
  punches him straight in the heart. What whoa like? The
• 54:36
  punch causes Randy's heart to stop. No, No, this thirteen
• 54:44
  year old just punched twelve year old's heart.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: In the chest.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: He one.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Gives him the fucking five figure death from kill Bill.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Strongest thirteen year old ever. He literally punches I was
• 55:02
  joking about this being like a dragonball fight. This is
• 55:05
  actually a talent. Yeah, yes, Like he's on the ground
• 55:09
  an it's the scene with the cameras and then like
• 55:12
  come on and you can hear like the guitar and
• 55:14
  he's like powering up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The punch causes
• 55:23
  Randy's heart to stop. As Randy gas for breath, Jeff
• 55:27
  hammers down on him. I thought he was already dead.
• 55:30
  Punch after punch, blood gushes from Randy's body until he
• 55:35
  takes one final breath and dies. He child to death.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: He's also he punched a thirteen year old child punches
• 55:45
  a twelve year old child to death. He punches him
• 55:47
  so hard in the chest that Randy is unable to
• 55:50
  breathe anymore. Mind you, well this is happening. His friends
• 55:54
  are like pointing guns at him, and like everybody at
• 55:57
  the party, even the adults are watching this. Had nobody
• 56:00
  is breaking up these infants.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you know what I mean, not one person
• 56:07
  person intervens involved, but there's like forty year old men
• 56:10
  watching this. Like if only I could.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Do something yeah, like their hands, especially because now I'm
• 56:15
  I'm picturing it like an old timey bank robbing thing.
• 56:18
  Their hands are up and they're like, oh, don't don't
• 56:21
  shoot us, mister twelve year old. The fat kids are
• 56:24
  eating all billies, per I'm fat. I'm the fat one.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: The fat and skinny kid are wearing like pit striped suits.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with the with like the little like eye cuffling
• 56:37
  like burglar, old timey burglar deal.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw your sweets and now your candy, which
• 56:44
  everyone looks at Jeff, the parents and the children and
• 56:47
  even Randy's goon friends Troy and Keith.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to say, good friends. Which Troy and
• 56:53
  Keith proceed to shoot at Jeff in the small house
• 56:56
  and they miss every shot all right, and Jeff runs
• 56:59
  away until you gets into the bathroom, in which he
• 57:01
  rips a towel rack off the wall, and Troy and
• 57:04
  Keith make their way up there. They fire some more shots,
• 57:07
  miss again, and basically Jeff just beats Troy's face in
• 57:11
  until Troy is like, I don't know if he's lifeless,
• 57:14
  but he falls to the ground hard, and immediately Keith
• 57:17
  grabs and starts choking Jeff and he pushes pushes Jeff
• 57:23
  into a wall and which a like a container of bleach,
• 57:27
  plops over and it starts covering Jeff's face and body.
• 57:31
  Jeff takes the towel rack beats the living hell out
• 57:34
  of Keith until Keith is basically dying on the floor.
• 57:37
  And Keith, as he's laying there dying, cracks a big smile,
• 57:42
  and Jeff says, what's so funny? Keith pulled out a
• 57:46
  lighter and switched it on. That's fuddy, he said, is that.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: You're covered in bleaching alcohol.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Jeff's eyes widen, and Keith threw the lighter at him.
• 57:56
  As soon as the flame made contact with him, the
• 57:58
  flames ignited the alcohol in the vodka. While the alcohol
• 58:01
  burned him, the bleach bleached his skin. The bleach bleached
• 58:04
  his skin. Just let out a terrible screech as he
• 58:07
  caught on fire. He tried to roll out. He tried
• 58:10
  to roll out of the fire, but it was no use.
• 58:12
  The alcohol had made him. The alcohol had made him
• 58:16
  a walking inferno. He ran down the hall and fell
• 58:19
  down the stairs. Everybody started screaming as they saw Jeff,
• 58:22
  now a man on fire, dropped to the ground, nearly dead.
• 58:25
  The last thing Jeff saw was his mother and the
• 58:27
  other parents trying to extinguish the flame. That's when he
• 58:31
  passed out. So basically, Jeff gets fucking lit on fire
• 58:35
  like a goddamn you know, fireball, rolls downstairs. No one
• 58:41
  like tries to pat him out. They are watching this
• 58:43
  child like rolling on the ground. They're just like, oh
• 58:48
  my god, Jeff, you're on fire.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: While they're like evening ballroom gowns and.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah they're great Gatsby party outfits for some and they're
• 59:00
  all probably fucking smashed first off. That's like one thing
• 59:02
  I was like, Okay, the vodka thing is that everybody
• 59:06
  in the party is like no way, someone help, and
• 59:11
  all just.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: They're all just hammered. Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Oh you'd have to imagine which Jeff wakes up in
• 59:16
  the hospital. His face is wrapped in gauze and the
• 59:19
  cast and he has also has a cast on his
• 59:21
  shoulder and stitchings all over his body presumably from getting stabbed,
• 59:25
  you know, throwing.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Down like the To keep to keep track of everything,
• 59:31
  the story just went up, three kids show up at
• 59:34
  an unrelated kid's birthday party. Billy, the poor victim whose birthday,
• 59:38
  I'm sure was ruined.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that that was a.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Heaven all Yeah. And then all the parents of the
• 59:44
  neighborhood and they're like, like you said, they're great, gats
• 59:47
  be closed. Just watch as a fight breaks out and
• 59:51
  Jeff kills three children and then he gets set on fire,
• 59:55
  and it says before he passes out, they're just looking
• 59:58
  at him.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: We are presumably thinking that, yes, the adults did nothing
• 1:00:03
  to stop the death of four children at this party,
• 1:00:06
  which the death of the four children also was no accident.
• 1:00:10
  It was a full on fight that broke out in
• 1:00:12
  the house. Yes, two of the kids did have guns
• 1:00:15
  pointing out their parents. But how could they have let
• 1:00:18
  this happen.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: It's it's a shot. They are a fat child and
• 1:00:22
  a skinny child. You can tackle them, I don't care.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of them is wheezing. Yeah, one of them
• 1:00:28
  is wheezing, like can't really control his breath because he's
• 1:00:31
  so fat. The other one can barely open his eyes.
• 1:00:33
  He's a genetic abomination. It's like a pug and a
• 1:00:36
  bulldog having a gun, is what it feels like.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: All right, Hey, let's keive mind. A nice neighborhood it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Is a quote unquote fancy neighborhood. Let's also not forget
• 1:00:51
  that it's a quote unquote fancy neighborhood, all right, which
• 1:00:54
  I always every time I see read that, I'm like,
• 1:00:56
  it reminds me. It makes me think of like like
• 1:00:59
  the desperate housewife like neighborhood or something like that, super
• 1:01:02
  upper middle class like big suburbia kind of thing.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: But from from the events that happened, it's a war zone.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: It's from the events that happened. It is, yeah, a
• 1:01:13
  literal war zone. So I don't know, I can't tell
• 1:01:16
  if it Also, what is his definition of fancy? You know,
• 1:01:19
  is it actually is it just like barely better? Is
• 1:01:24
  he just now not living in our part? We don't know.
• 1:01:26
  Not enough is given, but we do know that it
• 1:01:29
  is quote unquote fancy fancy, all right? If that is
• 1:01:32
  one thing to take away from this thing is quote
• 1:01:34
  unquote fancy, which I'm going to say from now on,
• 1:01:36
  our our podcast is quote unquote fancy. This is a quote.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Unquote podcast because I mean, just like the story, who
• 1:01:43
  who's going to fight us on it? Like we said, so,
• 1:01:46
  so this is a fancy podcast, is a respectable podcast.
• 1:01:49
  This is a respectful podcast.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: And I have a feeling, a feeling that I felt, well,
• 1:01:56
  I had a feeling that I felt earlier today that
• 1:01:58
  this was a quote unquote fancy pod cast, and I
• 1:02:00
  did feel that when I felt it earlier today, and
• 1:02:02
  then I had that feeling, so I knew that that
• 1:02:04
  was what I was going to do. And I did
• 1:02:06
  have a feeling too, that a gang of twelve year
• 1:02:08
  olds were going to come and beat the shit out
• 1:02:10
  of me and shoot me in.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: The back of the head with their guns.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: You felt, that's the feeling I had. You felt a
• 1:02:14
  feeling of a fancy feeling podcast feeling earlier today.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: That I did have a fancy feeling. I had a
• 1:02:20
  fancy feeling that this would be a fancy podcast that
• 1:02:22
  I felt earlier today when I had that feeling. So
• 1:02:25
  that's where that's where we ended up.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: That's a fancy feeling.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: It is a pretty fancy feeling. And I'm going to
• 1:02:31
  digress by taking that feeling and putting in this feeling
• 1:02:33
  that I need to read more of this story, yeah,
• 1:02:35
  which is Jeff is in his heart.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just go ahead and just look at this all right. So, yes,
• 1:02:41
  Jeff's in the hospital right and then he starts to
• 1:02:44
  come to in the hospital. But did you know he's
• 1:02:46
  now murdered three people?
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. He's basically killed one child twice,
• 1:02:52
  which is pretty funny.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: After hours of setting alone, he finally heard his mother. Honey,
• 1:02:59
  are you okay? She asked. Jeff couldn't answer, though his
• 1:03:03
  face was covered.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Can I pause for a second.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I just feelized word in on that?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Can I Can I pause for a second? Honey, are
• 1:03:11
  you okay? She asked. This woman saw her son fight
• 1:03:15
  off three other people that were trying to kill him,
• 1:03:18
  and he had bleach all over him and was in
• 1:03:20
  a ball of literal fire full down steps and basically
• 1:03:24
  died at her feet. And the first thing she says
• 1:03:26
  to her now consciously, I don't know how a miracle
• 1:03:29
  child is. Honey, are you okay?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Mom? No?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I could be a lot better, all right, I just
• 1:03:36
  want to say that she.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Sold her son out to the cops. She lets she
• 1:03:42
  makes JELU immediately stupid outfit doesn't help him, and it
• 1:03:46
  is like, are you okay?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: This mom is checking out immediately. This is a mom
• 1:03:51
  who doesn't want to go a mom at all. That Yeah, No,
• 1:03:54
  sold her son out and if anything, she was she's
• 1:03:56
  upset that that Jeff is still alive. I bet is
• 1:03:59
  what I.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, I was so close to being free. I'm
• 1:04:06
  oh absolutely, Oh my gosh, bro, that was so funny. Honey,
• 1:04:10
  are you okay? You're like, can I pause? So she asked, honey,
• 1:04:16
  are you okay? He was unable to speak. Oh honey,
• 1:04:20
  I have great news. I don't want to hear anything
• 1:04:23
  she has to say. Oh honey, I have great news.
• 1:04:26
  After all the witnesses told the police that Randy confessed
• 1:04:29
  to trying to attack you, they decided to let lou go.
• 1:04:34
  That's not none of this is how police work. None
• 1:04:37
  of this is how any of it elks like, Oh,
• 1:04:39
  that turns out that cop throwing the child into jail
• 1:04:43
  for a year incredibly unconstitutional, Like they ate him up.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah that I also would have no sympathy for my mom.
• 1:04:52
  Where it's like, oh honey, I have great news. After
• 1:04:54
  all the witnesses told the police that Randy confessed of
• 1:04:57
  trying to attack you, they decided to let lou go.
• 1:04:59
  It's dude, didn't we already tell you that this guy
• 1:05:03
  came out, came at us with knives and it took
• 1:05:06
  you guys to be held at gunpoint to even give
• 1:05:08
  a shit about this, Like, Okay, well now we believe you.
• 1:05:11
  It's like, yeah, I told you that yesterday when you
• 1:05:13
  probably found his body, you probably found a bunch of
• 1:05:15
  knives on him.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Now that you're kids in the hospital bed, it's reasonable. Okay,
• 1:05:20
  it wasn't before.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: But it's reasonable now. And also I love that says uh.
• 1:05:24
  It says uh. She says uh. He'll be out by
• 1:05:28
  tomorrow and you two will be able to get to
• 1:05:30
  be together again. I like how they're just like, well,
• 1:05:32
  we've got a keepspee for another day. We know you're
• 1:05:36
  free of the crimes, but we're gonna have to hold
• 1:05:38
  you for another day. We'll let you go tomorrow. A right,
• 1:05:41
  So get back in your cell. We're gonna lock that up. Okay,
• 1:05:44
  you're a freeman. Way to go, Lou, you're a freeman.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Like looking at a nine year old like, looks like
• 1:05:54
  your time is up. I hope this institution like he's.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope this is riabilitated you to go back
• 1:06:01
  into normal society. Lou. He has his billy club and
• 1:06:04
  he's like hitting it on the on the bars and
• 1:06:07
  ever sleep tight, Lou will catch you in themorrow.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: You remember, you know what a nine year old looks like? Like?
• 1:06:16
  How young we're told? I know the story doesn't say nine,
• 1:06:19
  but I mean it looks like a baby. Yeah, it's
• 1:06:21
  like a baby, right.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Like a like a like a long baby just throw there.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that monster he's with.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: His bunkmate is a nineteen is like an eighteen year old?
• 1:06:32
  Or like it's a sixteen year old kid that fucking
• 1:06:36
  like skinned his parents alive? All right, you too, be
• 1:06:38
  sure to not be too crazy. Sleep tight, Lou, you're
• 1:06:43
  a free man tomorrow. Yeah, how don't even his face tonight?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Greg, You know what, Shame on you for stabbing that
• 1:06:52
  self respecting twelve year old with open access to firearms
• 1:06:56
  and a racketeering thing going around the block in our
• 1:07:00
  fancy neighborhood. Shame on you for hearing that guy.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I just want you to know that this is a
• 1:07:04
  quote unquote fancy neighborhood and you went ahead ruined it.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Lou.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I hope you burn in hell.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I love the idea of a cop telling a nine
• 1:07:13
  year old to burning hell.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Look here, boy, in this fancy neighborhood, we got feelings
• 1:07:21
  all right, and these feelings are very important feelings, and
• 1:07:25
  you gets it. Log to mess up those feelings when
• 1:07:27
  we don't take too kindly to that.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: We don't take too kindly of that. Your brother gets it,
• 1:07:31
  but you're having a hard time wrapping around your stupid
• 1:07:34
  little head lou.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Idiot. They don't get it.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: They don't get it. Lock them up, you know what
• 1:07:42
  I'm not. You're not going free tomorrow. Never mind.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: It's just isn't full of children.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Literal children. It's like it's like Willy Wonkas. This is
• 1:07:52
  this is the security system of Willy Wantas. Just does
• 1:07:56
  a kid you wanted the chocolate, but you broke all
• 1:07:58
  the rules.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: It's a it's like Randy has the police paid off.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: He's like yeah, He's like he gives us a good shit.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: He's got like all good.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Wonder how much Randy was making a year his scream.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Probably hold yeah, thirty seven dollars. If he was robbing
• 1:08:15
  like ten year olds.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: For money, yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, how
• 1:08:18
  much really are people taking to lunch?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: But in this story, like the way that like this
• 1:08:23
  is written, those ten year olds probably have a four
• 1:08:24
  oh one K.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't know that is true. It is a
• 1:08:27
  fancy neighborhood.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: It is a very fancy neighborhood.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: All right, so I'll continue. So they decided to let
• 1:08:34
  lu go. This made Jeff almost bolt up, stopping halfway
• 1:08:38
  remembering the tube coming out of his arm. He'll be
• 1:08:41
  out by tomorrow, and then you two will be able
• 1:08:43
  to be together again. Jeff's mother hugs Jeff and says
• 1:08:47
  her goodbyes. Wait wait, wait, wait wait, his mom his
• 1:08:51
  mom left him? What? Yes, yeah, just said the story.
• 1:08:55
  I have the story pulled up to compare against notes
• 1:08:57
  to make sure we're right. Yeah. She just leaves.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: She's like, you guys be together tomorrow. I'll talk to
• 1:09:03
  you later. Burn Victim. Yea, my son. I know you're
• 1:09:05
  probably in tons of pain, but mommy has to go home.
• 1:09:08
  She needs to drink, it says.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: The next couple of weeks where those where Jeff was
• 1:09:14
  visited by his family. They visited. They didn't stay at
• 1:09:18
  the hospital.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: They did not stay at the hospital, which also just
• 1:09:21
  goes to show how unsympathetic his mom is. His mom
• 1:09:24
  doesn't even stay, she doesn't even care.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: She's just like he's.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: In the hospital. He's fine, then you go home. I
• 1:09:30
  want to see my bed just a big boy. Yeah,
• 1:09:35
  isn't that crazy?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: This story is what? This story feels like it was
• 1:09:39
  written by someone who really hated their mom, Like I
• 1:09:42
  was a fan of my chemical romance growing up, But
• 1:09:44
  it feels like it was written by like the quote
• 1:09:47
  unquote fan of my chemical romance, Like mom stupid, I
• 1:09:51
  hate her. Us twelve year olds we kill each other
• 1:09:53
  all the time, you know that.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say it feels very comparable to
• 1:09:58
  like an ari Astra thing. Ari Astor has to serious
• 1:10:00
  mommy issues too, and it feels like this this is
• 1:10:03
  definitely somebody who was having having a rough time with
• 1:10:06
  their mom, a little rough pumpkin passage.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: You know what, I promise you. You're the first person in
• 1:10:10
  the world to compare Jeff the Killer to ari ast I'm.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: Sure both both that influential, equally important works, equally important works. Yeah,
• 1:10:20
  hereditary people. When people speak hereditary, they're really speaking all right.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: So, uh I see here, hunter that you left a
• 1:10:32
  note saying lol about let's the best.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's finally week's past. Jeff's bandages are able
• 1:10:39
  to be taken off, and the doctor taking the bandage
• 1:10:42
  off literally says, quote unquote, let's hope for the best.
• 1:10:45
  That's what the doctor says when taking off the bandages.
• 1:10:49
  I thought that was hilarious. It's like a burn victim.
• 1:10:52
  Imagine how like imagine how discussing that would feel. You're
• 1:10:56
  a burn victim from some kind of thing. And as
• 1:10:58
  the doctor's taken off, he's like, let's hope for the best.
• 1:11:02
  Monster under here, you know what I mean? Like, why
• 1:11:04
  would you why would you say that? I just thought
• 1:11:06
  that was really funny.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: All right, So here's what we're gonna do here this section.
• 1:11:09
  I'm gonna narrate it, but I need you to do
• 1:11:10
  the Jeff lines. Okay, okay, all right, here we go. Ready,
• 1:11:15
  So finally the bandagees are removed and Jeff's transformation begins.
• 1:11:19
  Jeff's mother screams at the side of his face. Lou
• 1:11:22
  and Jeff's dad stare awestruck at his face.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: What happened to my face?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Jeff said. He rushed out of bed and ran to
• 1:11:32
  the bathroom. He looked in the mirror and saw the
• 1:11:34
  cause of the distress.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: His face. It it's horrible. His lips were burnt to
• 1:11:42
  a deep shade of red. His face was turned into
• 1:11:45
  a pure white color, and his hair singed from brown
• 1:11:49
  to black. He slowly put his hand to his face.
• 1:11:54
  It had a sort of leathery feel to it.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Now. He looked back at his family, then back at
• 1:11:59
  the mirror. Jeff said, Lou, it's.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Not that bad, not that bad. It's perfect.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: His family were equally surprised. Jeff started laughing uncontrollably. His
• 1:12:14
  parents noticed that his left eye and hand were twitching.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: Uh, Jeff, Uh, uh, Jeff, are you okay?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've never felt more happy. Look at this face.
• 1:12:42
  It goes perfectly with me.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: He couldn't stop laughing. He stroked his face, feeling and
• 1:12:47
  looking at it in the mirror. What caused this, Well,
• 1:12:51
  you may recall that when the story this is how
• 1:12:59
  it's written. Well, you may recall that when Jeff was
• 1:13:02
  fighting Randy, something in his mind, his sanity snapped. Now
• 1:13:07
  he was left as a crazy killing machine. That is
• 1:13:12
  his parents didn't know. Doctor said, Jeff's mom, is my
• 1:13:17
  son all right? You know in the head? Oh yeah, I.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Love I love that. The doctor says this. He's like,
• 1:13:26
  oh yeah, this behavior is typical for patients to have
• 1:13:29
  taken very large amounts of painkils. If his behavior doesn't
• 1:13:34
  change in a few weeks, bring him back here and
• 1:13:37
  we'll give him a psychological test.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: What what Every part of that paragraph is absolutely insane.
• 1:13:46
  The idea of Jeff like getting burns on his face,
• 1:13:48
  like laughing love in his face. That's so good. The
• 1:13:52
  uh Jef j allright, look like the whole guy. You're
• 1:14:00
  gonna want to see this.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Guys, he's right behind me. But I do like after
• 1:14:09
  the psychological test thing, the mother says, oh, thank you
• 1:14:12
  doctor jes. Mother went over to Jeff. Jeff, sweety, it's
• 1:14:15
  time to go. Jeff looks away from the mirror, his
• 1:14:18
  face still formed in a crazy smile, and he says this, kay, mommy.
• 1:14:23
  His mother took him by the shoulder and took him
• 1:14:26
  to get his clothes. Which now it's like I don't
• 1:14:31
  understand the psychological thing because he's say k mommy, and
• 1:14:35
  he says mommy a lot. Now it's like it's like
• 1:14:38
  a weird like I understand he's going insane, but I
• 1:14:41
  wonder is it also part of it supposed to be
• 1:14:42
  like did he de age a bit more or.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Something, or it's his feeling.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: That is a feeling. Okay, that's right, I forgot. That
• 1:14:50
  is the feeling he's feeling.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Also, what you just said is his mental condition causing
• 1:14:54
  him to relapse in like age regression. You are three
• 1:14:58
  layers too deep for this story.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: That is absolutely true.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: He's the reason he says mommy is because mommy sounds prepier.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: That's literally a that's true. I'm grasping desperately for a strong.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: You're like perhaps age just like falling back to familiarity,
• 1:15:16
  like bro.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Perhaps it is a little more in depth than I
• 1:15:20
  appeared to him. You know, maybe I think it's playing
• 1:15:22
  us for a room. Yeah, no, you're You're definitely right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: It's just because it's weird.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: That is the creepy feeling he's feeling. This is what
• 1:15:33
  came in, said the lady at the desk. Jeff's moms
• 1:15:36
  looked down to see the black dress pants and the
• 1:15:38
  white hoodie her son wore. Now they were clean of
• 1:15:40
  blood and out stitched together. Jeff's mother led him to
• 1:15:43
  his room and made him put his clothes on. Then
• 1:15:46
  they left, not.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Knowing that this was their final day of life.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So this is which also, by the point, we're like
• 1:15:55
  almost I would say, we're pretty pretty close to the
• 1:15:57
  end of the story here. What's weird is that the
• 1:16:01
  horror aspect this to let you know, typically and this
• 1:16:05
  is the setup of a story, and we're already to
• 1:16:07
  the finale because now we're setting up that this everything
• 1:16:11
  that's happened so far is the set up to our monster,
• 1:16:14
  which is in turn going to set us off in
• 1:16:17
  this tale of what this character is. But instead they
• 1:16:20
  set up is the legitimate story until we get the
• 1:16:23
  ending here, which it wraps up in a nice way
• 1:16:26
  if you want to, if you want to take the reins.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Again absolute, I would be honored to. So Jeff goes
• 1:16:33
  home that night and then it's gosh late. You know,
• 1:16:38
  I'm like genuinely embarrassed right now for being so scared
• 1:16:41
  of this story as a child. But with that in mind,
• 1:16:45
  later that night, Jeff's mother awakes to the sound of
• 1:16:47
  someone crying in the bathroom. When going to see what
• 1:16:51
  it was, she finds Jeff in the bathroom having carved
• 1:16:54
  a smile in his cheeks. It's literally the heap, I'm
• 1:16:57
  telling you, it's literally the heath thing.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: I'm tony, I'm telling you. If this came ouround the
• 1:17:01
  same time twenty eight it's impossible that it has to be.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: All right? What would you like to continue being Jeff?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, okay, okay, I'll keeping Jeff.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Because you're too good at it to not all right? Jeff,
• 1:17:19
  what are you doing? Asked his mother. Jeff looked over
• 1:17:23
  to his mother.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I couldn't keep smiling, mommy. It hurt after a while.
• 1:17:30
  Now I can smile forever.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Jeff's mother noticed his eyes ringed in black. Jeff, your
• 1:17:39
  eyes his eyes were seemingly never closing.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: I couldn't see my face. I got tired and my
• 1:17:47
  eyes started to close. I burned out the eyelids so
• 1:17:50
  I could so I could forever see myself, my new face.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Jeff's mother slowly started to back away, seeing that her
• 1:17:59
  son was going insane.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: What's wrong, mommy? Aren't they beautiful?
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Boo?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Is why I say to that? I throw my boo
• 1:18:11
  at you. I hate that? What's wrong?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Mommy?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Are beautiful?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Literally? That reads like why so serious? Does it?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Not?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: That it has the same kind.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: It's just it's like it's like you could already see
• 1:18:26
  in like the writer's mind, like this character being like
• 1:18:30
  drawn on Devian art. With like are and I beautiful
• 1:18:33
  ridden behind him? You know, like absolutely going.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Through that absolutely yes, yep. Which actually from what I've
• 1:18:40
  seen a lot of this stuff from from one of
• 1:18:43
  the stuff that I've seen a lot of the fan
• 1:18:45
  art and stuff, all of the people just put the
• 1:18:47
  go to sleep to the beginning.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the go to yeah man.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: So so like so Jeff Jeff, like he has a feeling,
• 1:18:55
  all right, we we've established that.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: We've established the feeling.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: We've established the feeling that makes him want to kill people.
• 1:19:01
  He gets an excuse to kill people, and then after
• 1:19:05
  getting his face burned, decides to also carve his mouth
• 1:19:08
  open and then also burn out his eyelids so he
• 1:19:11
  can look at his mouth. And now that he has
• 1:19:14
  the feeling, the feeling's not gonna stop feeling, so he
• 1:19:17
  has to keep killing people. So it's pretty apparent that
• 1:19:23
  the person who wrote this story saw the image of
• 1:19:27
  Jeff the Killer and then just wrote a backstory to
• 1:19:29
  that image.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred bits, like without without a doubt, which
• 1:19:34
  we're about to wrap up. Let's wrap up the story,
• 1:19:37
  like finish it and we can discuss more of it.
• 1:19:38
  Because I do have a bunch of thoughts about it.
• 1:19:40
  But yeah, we're we're right at the tail end.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'll continue, I'll continue, all right now.
• 1:19:46
  Fully realizing her son has gone completely insane, Jeff's mom
• 1:19:50
  says she's going to go get his dad to show
• 1:19:53
  him how good Jeff looks. The mom quickly goes to
• 1:19:56
  her room and wakes up her husband, prompting him to
• 1:19:59
  get is gun.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Jeff's gone fucking and saying, get your gun. He's gonna
• 1:20:06
  kill us. I love that this mother does not. That's
• 1:20:11
  another thing too, that you can tell that this is
• 1:20:12
  written by a very young person because there's no maternal
• 1:20:16
  or like parental instincts at all with how they the
• 1:20:19
  parents are acting. It feels like a Goosebumps book almost,
• 1:20:22
  where it's like completely void of any personality, any emotion.
• 1:20:26
  It's just like the kid is the complete centerpiece of it,
• 1:20:29
  which is fine, but it's like I'll get into it later,
• 1:20:33
  but it's just it's very funny. You can just tell
• 1:20:35
  that this is written by somebody who has no life experiences.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: Run exactly so like and also, let's keep track of
• 1:20:41
  the mom through this story, tells her kids to get
• 1:20:45
  over their feelings, doesn't believe. Then when they said they
• 1:20:47
  were attacked, lets her youngest son go to jail, doesn't
• 1:20:50
  do anything while she watches her older son get nearly
• 1:20:54
  killed and then kills.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Goes to goes to a party.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah it goes to a party dressed like press gala. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:01
  it's drunk, and then doesn't stay with her son in
• 1:21:04
  the hospital. The only thing she does is scream at
• 1:21:07
  him when his bandages come off. And now when she
• 1:21:10
  finds him laughing clearly mentally distraught in the middle of
• 1:21:13
  the night, Down goes to her husband and says, get
• 1:21:17
  the gun.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just like this old hound dog needs to
• 1:21:22
  be put down. It's it's that.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: What's that the thing from Omni man I can always
• 1:21:29
  start over, make another kid.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: That is some serious you know what. Never mind the
• 1:21:39
  Jeff to Killer writers way ahead of his time. That's yeah,
• 1:21:42
  never mind, it's in the clear now, all right.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: So uh there, she sees Jeff in the doorway, overheard
• 1:21:50
  what his mom said to his dad, in which Jeff says, Mommy,
• 1:21:57
  you right. Jeff proceeds to gut both of them, and
• 1:22:02
  then from here I'm going to read out the last
• 1:22:04
  paragraph of the story. Okay, yes, His brother Lou woke up,
• 1:22:09
  startled by some noise. He didn't hear anything else, so
• 1:22:13
  he just shut his eyes and tried to go back
• 1:22:15
  to sleep. As he was on the border of slumber,
• 1:22:18
  he got the strangest feeling. Oh no, he got the
• 1:22:23
  strangest feeling that someone was watching him. He looked up
• 1:22:28
  before Jeff's hand covered his mouth. He slowly raised the knife,
• 1:22:32
  ready to plunge it into Lou. Lou thrashed here and there,
• 1:22:36
  trying to escape Jeff's prit.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: S. If you would like to do the honors, yeah,
• 1:22:44
  sh just go to sleep.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: And there we have it. That's the story, and.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: That's the ending. That is the legitimate ending to Jeff
• 1:22:53
  the Killer, which I want to I want to slightly
• 1:22:56
  give some thoughts here, because once again I said, beginning,
• 1:23:00
  I was going to preface that the news article. At
• 1:23:02
  the beginning, I was going to come back to it.
• 1:23:04
  And this is what I thought. I legitimately thought that
• 1:23:07
  it was going to circle back to the news article
• 1:23:09
  and that Jeff was going to that this was Randy's kid,
• 1:23:14
  and that Randy was the guy who and that's why
• 1:23:16
  he also threw the knife in his shoulder because Randy
• 1:23:18
  stabbed Jeff in the shoulder. There's a lot of shoulder
• 1:23:20
  stabbage in this. So I thought it was Jeff getting
• 1:23:24
  revenge in a weird way and like maybe going to
• 1:23:26
  abduct or you know, murder Randy's kid or something for
• 1:23:30
  having or like or even uh Troy or Keith trying
• 1:23:35
  to get his revenge in some weird way. But that
• 1:23:38
  that never comes back. There's so many like loose ends
• 1:23:41
  in this where it could have gone in a lot
• 1:23:43
  of different places. It's it's very very vanilla, very you know,
• 1:23:49
  same zy, you know, a lot of cliches that come.
• 1:23:51
  But I thought I was like, oh, that'd be a
• 1:23:53
  fun way to like full circle it, you know what
• 1:23:55
  I mean.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Randy's connected to the murder from the police report at
• 1:23:59
  the beginning, but no, it's just he's killing people and
• 1:24:02
  then it goes back and then it's like, yeah, and
• 1:24:04
  he killed people before too, that's it.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I think that there's there's ways
• 1:24:11
  to do serial killer kind of stuff where kind of
• 1:24:16
  like a The best example of that is probably Michael Myers,
• 1:24:20
  where it's just the horror is is it's just that
• 1:24:23
  he's a killing machine that there is no justifiable reason.
• 1:24:27
  He's just a monster. That's that's fine. But the thing
• 1:24:31
  about Michael, at least you know before they ruined it
• 1:24:33
  with like prequels and stuff like that, is that he's
• 1:24:35
  a very mysterious figure. You just get like a little
• 1:24:38
  blurb from him as a kid being kind of insane,
• 1:24:40
  and then now he's like escaped this psych ward and
• 1:24:43
  he's like out. And about the reason that Jeff it's
• 1:24:46
  weird is that we start we're trying to sympathize with
• 1:24:49
  him as a normal character, and then we're getting all
• 1:24:52
  of these feelings, and the problem with having all these
• 1:24:55
  feelings and the meme of the feeling is that we
• 1:24:58
  never understand what it is. It's never blatantly kind of said,
• 1:25:01
  like what is it. I think it's trying to be
• 1:25:03
  the idea that he has some kind of bloodlust. But
• 1:25:05
  the problem with that is that every time he's ever
• 1:25:08
  attacked somebody, the story it was self defense. Yeah's justifiable
• 1:25:12
  every time.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, he only fights people who try to kill him beforehand.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: So so I thought to myself, I was when I
• 1:25:18
  was reading it, I was like, Okay, so he has
• 1:25:20
  this feeling of wanting to hurt somebody. So the first
• 1:25:23
  time he does it, it's an interesting way to maybe
• 1:25:25
  set up that the first time that you indulge yourself
• 1:25:28
  on these psychotic breaks is in self defense. So in
• 1:25:32
  a way, even people around you are like, you had
• 1:25:34
  to do it. You know it was self defense, you
• 1:25:36
  had to do it. But no, it's like he's punished
• 1:25:39
  for it. But then he also defends himself again. And
• 1:25:43
  I thought it would be people give light and like
• 1:25:47
  make a positive out of him defending himself. Like if anything,
• 1:25:50
  if you're gonna go cliche with it, have the dad
• 1:25:53
  be like, you know, that's my boy, you know, beating
• 1:25:56
  his ass whatever, you really gave it to him, good whatever,
• 1:25:59
  right the dot like that, the masculine dad who's really
• 1:26:03
  like supportive of you know, you're not exactly. So then
• 1:26:08
  it's like he's rewarded for it until it goes too
• 1:26:11
  far to the point where okay, well now he's like
• 1:26:13
  he's at the party and maybe he like hurts one
• 1:26:15
  of the kids or something like that, and then you
• 1:26:17
  have a slow deterioration of his character. But that never comes.
• 1:26:20
  It's just like, Okay, he defended himself both times in
• 1:26:25
  justifiable ways, and then because he's a burn victim, we're
• 1:26:28
  supposed to just believe that he had a psychotic break,
• 1:26:30
  which once again, that could possibly work, but it's just
• 1:26:33
  so it's so quick, like the ending is so abruptly quick,
• 1:26:37
  and that's where all the interesting stuff happens. And it's
• 1:26:39
  so like even the way that they describe like the killing,
• 1:26:42
  which you don't have to go in depth, and I
• 1:26:44
  know I'm rambling by the way I apologize, No.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: This is good, this is good, but the the you
• 1:26:52
  don't have to go in depth with, you know, really schlocky,
• 1:26:55
  like really describing the disembowelment and stuff.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: But I really didn't like how at the end it's
• 1:27:02
  just like he guts his parents, and that's supposed to
• 1:27:04
  be if they's supposed to be emotional. Way to that,
• 1:27:06
  I think that you have to put as much emphasis
• 1:27:09
  as you did into describing the nonsensical fights as you
• 1:27:13
  would is like putting emotional depth behind somebody by a
• 1:27:17
  kid going psychotic and killing his birth parents. But that
• 1:27:22
  also doesn't work because his parents are like very unlikable.
• 1:27:25
  There's no real trace that they actually care about Jeff
• 1:27:29
  like at all.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: So actually it seems they actively hate him.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, would if they actively hate him, then I almost
• 1:27:36
  wish that like that would have been dived in more too,
• 1:27:39
  like it would have been more cathartic.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: Serial killer creation if yeah, like the parents maybe had
• 1:27:45
  like a hand in that that maybe they're hated of him,
• 1:27:47
  pushed him that way.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: And the whole time too, is that Jeff the entire
• 1:27:52
  story is guilt ridden right by his brother being arrested
• 1:27:59
  for his crime, but he just not. He just kind
• 1:28:02
  of nonchalantly kills him at the end, which, even if
• 1:28:04
  you're psychotic, I think it does a disservice to not
• 1:28:08
  have any kind of emotional resont, like if anything could
• 1:28:11
  have not have been like hey I killed I killed them,
• 1:28:13
  you know, we can be free now, or something like that,
• 1:28:16
  and then that's when lu could like challenge him into
• 1:28:19
  where Jeff is like, Okay, well I thought you were
• 1:28:21
  on my side, fuck you, and then he kills him.
• 1:28:24
  But it feels like you have all this emotional tie
• 1:28:26
  ins and all this build up to not have it
• 1:28:28
  pay off at all, Like it's just like, oh, I'm
• 1:28:30
  psycho and I killed them. Yeah, yeah, there's no weight
• 1:28:34
  to it, there's no emotional depth to it, there's no
• 1:28:36
  connection that the viewer or the I mean, the reader
• 1:28:39
  can have. It's just kind of nonchalant and it's creepy.
• 1:28:42
  It's it's just supposed to be like and this is
• 1:28:44
  what I feel like is creepy. But I think horror.
• 1:28:50
  Horror itself is very cheesy, like it's it's a very
• 1:28:54
  cheesy thing. It's fun, but a lot of the best
• 1:28:57
  horror is wrapped around great narratives and highlighted through these
• 1:29:01
  kind of crazy eccentric things. Because you can do the
• 1:29:04
  joker smile thing, you know, you can have that be
• 1:29:08
  in there and not have it be so cheesy and stuff,
• 1:29:11
  or even if it is, it can still be fun.
• 1:29:13
  But the way that this thing wraps up it feels
• 1:29:15
  just so cheap. There's no real story or connection that
• 1:29:19
  we're trying to feel. There's no kind of like character
• 1:29:22
  development or growth. There's nothing really that I'm supposed to
• 1:29:25
  be fighting for. The desperation of Jeff killing his parents
• 1:29:28
  holds no weight because there's nothing that's been established that
• 1:29:31
  I should care about this, which it's kind of the
• 1:29:34
  biggest detriment to it. But it's interesting how captivating the
• 1:29:39
  story has been to people, which for two thousand and eight.
• 1:29:41
  It probably was something where you're like, oh shit, you
• 1:29:43
  know you read it and you're like, oh god, you know,
• 1:29:46
  but I don't know. I mean, this is my first
• 1:29:49
  time ever reading it was when for this podcast. Once again,
• 1:29:52
  I've seen the episode or I've seen that picture a
• 1:29:55
  billion times probably, yeah, but I had never read the story.
• 1:29:58
  I've even heard Jeff the ki before, but I've never
• 1:30:01
  actually read it.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's uh, it's so fascinating how it's so impactful
• 1:30:10
  to internet culture. Like when people think creepypastas, they think
• 1:30:12
  Jeff the Killer and Slenderman, like that's the two. It's
• 1:30:15
  so impactful, and looking back on it, I'm so upset
• 1:30:21
  that it scared me as much as you did. Like this,
• 1:30:24
  this was like the best we had to offer, and
• 1:30:26
  like there were really good creepypastas and great stuff came
• 1:30:29
  out of that time period, and we'll talk about some
• 1:30:31
  in future episodes, but man, this was not one of those.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: No. No, it feels like very amateurish. I mean, there's
• 1:30:39
  a note up top here. I don't know what the
• 1:30:40
  site is for the so apologies for not having the
• 1:30:42
  direct site, but it seems like the original creepypasta is
• 1:30:46
  credited to the user game Fuel TV, and was actually
• 1:30:50
  moved from several creepypasta sites because of its perceived low quality.
• 1:30:53
  So I think even back then, so yeah, I think.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: I remember hearing something about that.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's very cheesy. It's it's interesting, though
• 1:31:02
  I do wonder the philosophy of some of the things
• 1:31:05
  of like people I think desperately reach for reasons to
• 1:31:09
  feel scared and to feel like they have like a
• 1:31:11
  fun story. And I think, if anything, this just shows
• 1:31:15
  how dedicated people are into wanting to consume that kind
• 1:31:19
  of media. Because Jeff the Killer is definitely not the
• 1:31:21
  first one, but it's one of the most infamous. And
• 1:31:23
  I think it just goes to show to what like
• 1:31:26
  a single image of something can do. It's very much
• 1:31:28
  like you know, when we were talking about Ted the Kaber,
• 1:31:30
  having just like those little images in there goes such
• 1:31:33
  a long way.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of like putting yourself in that thing, and even
• 1:31:37
  having like this blown out meme image of Jeff the Killer.
• 1:31:39
  I mean, as a kid, it would be terrifying. I
• 1:31:41
  mean it is a creepy image. Now it's horribly dated.
• 1:31:44
  I mean it's like, you know, it is what it is.
• 1:31:46
  But back then at the toime, yeah, a razor flip phone,
• 1:31:50
  it would fuck me up.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, sure, the story didn't help me, young
• 1:31:54
  me being afraid, but it was really the image that
• 1:31:56
  did it. Like I saw that image, I imagine. I
• 1:31:58
  remember falling asleep in night thinking of that face in
• 1:32:01
  the corner of my room, especially because like the the
• 1:32:06
  modus operandi, so to speak, of Jeff the Killer is
• 1:32:08
  that he like hides in your room at night while
• 1:32:10
  you're asleep and waits for you to wake up to
• 1:32:12
  kill you. So things like that would play out in
• 1:32:14
  my mind when I was afraid at night, So that
• 1:32:17
  that's really what did it. The story, like I thought,
• 1:32:20
  was scary ish, but it's the face that does the
• 1:32:22
  heavy lifting culturally too, I think, because after this, Jeff
• 1:32:26
  the Killer found his way. I remember reading dozens of
• 1:32:30
  creepy pastas that were either completely unrelated to him and
• 1:32:34
  then he'd just show up, or like people would write
• 1:32:37
  these almost fan fiction creepy pastas about like Jeff the
• 1:32:41
  Killer interacting with Eilish Jack or Laughing Jack or the
• 1:32:45
  slender Man or you know, stuff like that, like they
• 1:32:47
  would all stick around each other. So I remember the
• 1:32:53
  character kind of becoming his own thing, but it was
• 1:32:55
  all very fanficky, like I can I can't think. I'm
• 1:32:59
  sure they're out there, but I can't think of a
• 1:33:02
  good story involving Jeff sadly not like the character has
• 1:33:07
  a lot to work off of anyway other than being
• 1:33:09
  a creepy face.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of the interesting thing,
• 1:33:13
  even with like a even something because I mean, you
• 1:33:16
  know slender Man. I mean anything that becomes extremely pop culture,
• 1:33:20
  I feel like has looked on as being cheap or whatever.
• 1:33:22
  But even with something like slender Man, just the idea
• 1:33:25
  is much more realized, I think in terms of like
• 1:33:29
  kind of like a pied piper, feel of like this
• 1:33:31
  thing wants to come out and abduct children basically like
• 1:33:36
  take them away into like this interdimensional place whatever. There's
• 1:33:39
  a lot more to go, Jeff. It's just once you
• 1:33:41
  hear that, it's just simply a burn a thirteen year
• 1:33:46
  old burn victim.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Who for some reason it is like super strong sometimes
• 1:33:51
  like he can one punch something, yeah, but other times
• 1:33:53
  as a child can just kick him off, right. Yeah.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, is like if a ten
• 1:34:00
  year old child can just kick him off. It's like,
• 1:34:01
  what kind of threat does he really pose?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: That's kind of punch stop of heart, right, like it's his.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Power death punch of heart. You can just snap a
• 1:34:10
  man's wrist very easily. All that stuff, which is, you know,
• 1:34:14
  that's fun, but it's it goes into it. There's there's
• 1:34:18
  times when being ambiguous is extremely helpful and fun. Sometimes
• 1:34:23
  I think that it can also be it can be
• 1:34:25
  a bit of a cop out. I think that like,
• 1:34:28
  if people are too ambiguous with things to me, it's
• 1:34:30
  like they're trying to have the reader do too much
• 1:34:33
  of the legwork, which I think can happen. But I
• 1:34:36
  do think that when you over describe these things, you
• 1:34:40
  can ruin the mystique of what might make something mysterious
• 1:34:43
  or creepy, like if you would have gotten like little
• 1:34:45
  bits of like almost if you imagine this narrative where
• 1:34:49
  instead of having the news article, the whole perspective or
• 1:34:51
  the whole story, was a child talking to this person
• 1:34:54
  in his.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: Room or something one night, yeah, whatever.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: And it's like Jeff, he's like trying to pride poke
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  Jeff until inevitably Jeff is like giving him maybe an
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  ultimatum of like killing him or letting him go whatever,
• 1:35:07
  And the kid is trying to buy time. And you
• 1:35:09
  put some like actual respect into like a child character
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  of having the the the hindsight to try and you know,
• 1:35:16
  survive in some kind of weird way, then it becomes
• 1:35:19
  more disjointed. And if you are going through the heath
• 1:35:21
  leather ledger joker vibe, the best thing about that character
• 1:35:24
  is that he's lying the entire time. He changes up
• 1:35:27
  his story about how he got his scars numerous times
• 1:35:29
  in the story, and the whole thing is that he's
• 1:35:31
  not going to tell you the truth about it. Right,
• 1:35:34
  if someone's truly psychotic, why would they actually indulge you
• 1:35:37
  into like an actual story. So it'd be kind of
• 1:35:40
  you know, I think that there's a way that this
• 1:35:41
  could work and be interesting. Like I don't mind the
• 1:35:44
  idea of it being said in this in this, uh
• 1:35:47
  the scene of like this like you know, smiling face
• 1:35:50
  kind of hiding in the shadow talking to you and stuff,
• 1:35:53
  and you know, maybe like it doesn't want to be disturbed.
• 1:35:57
  And the kid is trying to keep his parents out
• 1:35:58
  because he knows that if the parents it's coming, they
• 1:36:00
  could be killed by this creature. So there's I mean,
• 1:36:04
  I don't know the influence is there. It's very schlocky
• 1:36:08
  and fun. It's such a small read to where it's
• 1:36:10
  like if you guys are looking for something kind of
• 1:36:13
  funny to digest that isn't such a big herculean piece
• 1:36:17
  of literature. It's a very easy read. And there's even
• 1:36:20
  like there's a great I wanted to give a shout
• 1:36:22
  out to because I read it. I read the story,
• 1:36:25
  but I also listened to a to a rendition of it.
• 1:36:29
  Let me see, you just want to pull up the
• 1:36:30
  name really quick.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: I think mister Creepypasta was where I heard this story
• 1:36:34
  for the first time.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Or I listened to Chilling Tales for Dark Nights as
• 1:36:41
  it was, and they do a great rendition of it,
• 1:36:43
  and they have like sound effects and stuff, so shout
• 1:36:46
  out them and mister Creepypasta as well, so really fun stuff.
• 1:36:51
  I think the story is pretty fun to digest to
• 1:36:54
  in these audio formats where people put in voice acting
• 1:36:57
  in it and the sound effects, so it is overall
• 1:37:01
  very cheesy, but I would say a very swell time.
• 1:37:03
  Good old Jeff the killer dude, nothing like some joker scars.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: What a what a weird banger to go back and
• 1:37:10
  look at it. Yeah, I think what you're saying about
• 1:37:12
  anonymity is correct. Like if the story or ambiguity, I mean,
• 1:37:16
  if the story had remained just the faith, it would
• 1:37:18
  remain more unexplainable and creepy in hide sight. But because
• 1:37:21
  we have all that, it's like, Okay, this is a
• 1:37:24
  bit triguard.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: It feels a little bit try hard, and I think
• 1:37:28
  it feels a bit uh, it just feels dated. Yeah,
• 1:37:30
  it just feels very, very very dated and very like
• 1:37:34
  it's it's it's hard not to immediately be able to
• 1:37:37
  call the bullshit on it because it just feels so
• 1:37:41
  I mean, just so aggrubly dated. I mean, there's there's
• 1:37:44
  so many people coming out right now that write so
• 1:37:46
  many great things, like you know, I mean cane pixels, rightist,
• 1:37:50
  I mean.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: And also and also like if this story was like
• 1:37:54
  a project someone did to try to get better at
• 1:37:57
  writing when they were in middle school or whatever, then
• 1:37:59
  you know, I'm sure they've developed into a fantastic grider
• 1:38:02
  now and I'm sure they would probably say the same
• 1:38:04
  thing looking back that like yeah this was yeah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with anybody in their work, And I think as
• 1:38:10
  like a last thought for me at least is this
• 1:38:12
  just goes to show too that, like, you don't have
• 1:38:15
  to be the best writer in the world to captivate
• 1:38:17
  people like you don't like if there's any people that
• 1:38:20
  are like, oh I want to I'm a like I'd
• 1:38:22
  love to write something, but I'm too nervous to do something.
• 1:38:25
  Sometimes you just have to simply just write something and
• 1:38:28
  allow the scrutiny to hit you, and sometimes you might
• 1:38:30
  be surprised by being like, holy shit, this thing really
• 1:38:33
  took off. Whatever. You don't have to be a master
• 1:38:35
  to tap into some of the core ideas that people like,
• 1:38:38
  and to the imagination of people is that they like too.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: So great is always make the video or write the
• 1:38:44
  story for sure, for.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Sure always every time, don't snooze, you lose. It's the
• 1:38:50
  whole deal. So yeah, I mean, do you got any
• 1:38:53
  other thoughts or what do you think?
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: Think we about covered everything? Didn't we? I would say
• 1:38:57
  I think we did.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I think Jeff the Killer is a what what a
• 1:39:01
  timeless classic of internet depravity, of internet culture. You gotta
• 1:39:06
  love it. I think that it's gonna be something that
• 1:39:08
  stands with us. And I think, well, after we're long gone,
• 1:39:10
  there's gonna be people still reading Jeff the Killer, laughing
• 1:39:13
  and giggling, wondering about some of these lines. I think that,
• 1:39:16
  and I think that that's so charming. I love it, yea,
• 1:39:18
  And I think that on a on a closing note too,
• 1:39:21
  if you have any suggestions of future wet we have.
• 1:39:23
  We've gotten a lot of comments about people asking about
• 1:39:26
  uh stories and stuff like that, and I did see
• 1:39:30
  one comment that I thought was interesting, right, Actually it
• 1:39:32
  was a series of comments, but people saying that if
• 1:39:34
  we do know the subjects, we're getting ready to get
• 1:39:36
  like a Twitter set up to where we're gonna probably
• 1:39:39
  prompt people what the episode is going to be so
• 1:39:41
  you can read the story as well before the episode,
• 1:39:43
  so a little more informed. That was a nice helpful comment.
• 1:39:47
  All the comments have been amazing, we guys, you know,
• 1:39:49
  all the love we've gotten on the first episode has
• 1:39:51
  been beautiful, beautiful beautiful.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think too, like uh, Like I said,
• 1:39:58
  we want to cover a lot of classic core stories,
• 1:40:00
  and we'll look at some of the best ones, some
• 1:40:01
  of the inspiring ones. But if we're talking about impact,
• 1:40:04
  Jeff the Killers one of the biggest, so we had
• 1:40:06
  to cover it, and if we're gonna cover it, then
• 1:40:08
  we have to rag on it. It's just how it works.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna have some goofs. It has nothing but
• 1:40:14
  respect in our hearts.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Let's do this. Hunter, say one, and it can't be
• 1:40:19
  the face. Say one positive thing about that story.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: MM, now are you talking about is it any general positivity?
• 1:40:30
  Are you talking about actual constructive positive? Because there's a
• 1:40:32
  lot of positivity when it comes to tell me something funny,
• 1:40:35
  unintentional funny, like tell me something.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: You liked about it intentionally, intentional, that you liked about
• 1:40:41
  it intentionally.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to actually, I'm trying to be completely honest.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: I'm legitimately thinking.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I'm legitimly thinking. I think that. I mean, I like
• 1:41:03
  the I guess I like to set up with the
• 1:41:08
  news broadcast at the beginning, even though it doesn't go anywhere.
• 1:41:11
  I still enjoyed. I enjoyed that little blurb. I like
• 1:41:15
  the idea of starting that the narrative or listening to
• 1:41:19
  is past tense versus presentense. So that's kind of an
• 1:41:24
  interesting display of structure. Remember, I'm not saying that it's
• 1:41:29
  it's not on levels of like pulp fiction or anything.
• 1:41:31
  But I just mean, like, yeah, sure, sure, I like
• 1:41:34
  the idea that, like, this thing is still happening, and
• 1:41:36
  by the end of the story it's like that's the
• 1:41:39
  technically the beginning of this, like Rising Killer. I guess
• 1:41:44
  if I had to think.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: That, I'll take it very nice. I think you, I'll say,
• 1:41:53
  even though we made fun of it the whole, like
• 1:41:56
  uh oh, he had a feeling feeling like he got
• 1:41:58
  a feeling that is better, that is better than just
• 1:42:02
  doing what most other stories of this caliber would do,
• 1:42:06
  and whenever he gets burned at the end just says
• 1:42:09
  his mind snapped. Then they did partially foreshadow, even though
• 1:42:14
  that was always their intention, even though the stories just
• 1:42:17
  to rush to how the face came to be. I
• 1:42:20
  like that there was a feeling rather than just after
• 1:42:23
  the hospital he just kills everyone because he's crazy because
• 1:42:26
  his face is messed up, like it. I like the feeling.
• 1:42:30
  In other words, I.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Like I I yeah, I appreciate the idea that they
• 1:42:34
  were like that there was intention behind it. For sure.
• 1:42:36
  It wasn't just there. There was at least a garner
• 1:42:39
  of setup for it, which is nice.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, it wasn't just like, oh, his face
• 1:42:43
  was messed up. Now he killed his brother, right, which
• 1:42:45
  also not to immediately leave after we're talking about positives,
• 1:42:49
  the fact that everything that happened to him, all of
• 1:42:51
  his violence, was to protect his brother. Then he just
• 1:42:54
  kills him at the end, like bro.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. That's what I'm saying, is that
• 1:42:57
  it doesn't make any sense, like the idea that the
• 1:42:59
  whole time he's so guilt tripped and ridden, which also
• 1:43:02
  it makes sense that he kills his parents and if anything,
• 1:43:05
  he like spares his brother at the end he's like
• 1:43:07
  we're free or whatever, and he's like, Jeff, what did
• 1:43:09
  you do? Or you know, like something like that to
• 1:43:11
  where you could have the parents be fucking terrible. But
• 1:43:13
  it needs to be more, it needs to be more
• 1:43:15
  aligned with the actual narrative and it needs to be
• 1:43:17
  set up better. But you know, for him to just
• 1:43:20
  kid that, if anything, that was that that's my that
• 1:43:22
  was my biggest complaint, honestly, Like not the cheesy dialogue
• 1:43:25
  or whatever else, it's just a sheer fact that he
• 1:43:27
  would just blantantly kill his brother. And that's the literal
• 1:43:30
  finale of it makes no sense, Like it completely undermines
• 1:43:34
  the entire like the entire set up structure of this
• 1:43:37
  entire story. So yeah, yeah, not good.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: But Jeff has moments. It has moments, and that was Jeff.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: It has moments. That was Jeff the Killer, which I
• 1:43:45
  don't know. Do we have any idea of what we're
• 1:43:47
  going to be doing next?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I feel like I kind of wanted to
• 1:43:51
  cover like a classic that was bad to kind of
• 1:43:54
  for one, established to the audience that we might cover
• 1:43:56
  stuff like that, but also to keep it vary. So
• 1:43:58
  since we've covered like a famous one, a famous like
• 1:44:02
  creepypasta thing, not creepypasta, like a like horror story stairs
• 1:44:07
  in the Woods, and now we've covered like a famous
• 1:44:09
  creepypasta and kind of ragged on it a bit, maybe
• 1:44:11
  next time we could pick like a personal favorite of
• 1:44:14
  ours or like something something that we legitimately think is
• 1:44:18
  a good example of early and after we do three,
• 1:44:21
  we'll have like three said about early Internet, whoror then
• 1:44:24
  I think we can go anywhere we want. We could
• 1:44:26
  go to like urban legends around the Internet, we'd go
• 1:44:28
  to more spooky stuff, whatever you think. But I think
• 1:44:31
  doing a personal favorite maybe a cool third episode.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wat to you. We'll have to let people know
• 1:44:36
  maybe a little beforehand which ones we're talking about. But
• 1:44:38
  until next time, I think that least if you don't
• 1:44:41
  decide to participate in the read along, at least it'll
• 1:44:45
  be something surprising. I'm very curious to see what you
• 1:44:47
  choose as well. I'm also I think it's a good
• 1:44:49
  opportunity to leave a comment below too of what's your
• 1:44:51
  favorite Internet story. I feel like there might be people
• 1:44:53
  that are cross pollinating a lot of people with the
• 1:44:56
  same opinions of what.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Their favorite stories are.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's gonna be exciting to see. But until
• 1:45:01
  next time, this has been Creep Castep Canyon, and Windagoon.
• 1:45:06
  Appreciate you guys. This has been a lot of fun.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Man, this is a ton of fun. I'm so happy
• 1:45:10
  to see to see this channel, this podcast doing as
• 1:45:14
  well as it is. I'm really blown away by it.
• 1:45:16
  Are we not? We're now on Spotify as well?
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Right, yes we should.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: We're now on Spotify So I.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Saw some people talking about that too.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: Yo, No, we are on Spotif we should probably put
• 1:45:26
  something at the beginning of the video, like the little
• 1:45:28
  Spotify logo or whatever, just to let people. Yeah, but like,
• 1:45:32
  for those who are interested, you can go check us
• 1:45:34
  out on Spotify. So but just to see people enjoy
• 1:45:36
  the show on any platform and like comment, leave constructive
• 1:45:40
  criticism stuff like that, it really does me in the world.
• 1:45:43
  It's fantastic. So I'm so stoked. I'm excited to keep
• 1:45:47
  going to thank you all so much for watching.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: It means the most appreciate you, guys.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: Hugs and kisses by bugs and kisses.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Bye bye, see in the next one.