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The Late Debate | 19 August · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Late Welcome the Late Babe.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Free Leitch and Joe Hildebrand filling
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Speaker 3: in for Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight.
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Speaker 3: A new trend in parenting, feeding your baby and animal
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Speaker 3: product only diet. They're calling them carnival baby smart or
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Speaker 3: a dangerous fad. Victorian Opposition leader Brad Batten has turned
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Speaker 3: up at a murder crime scene for an impromptu press conference.
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Speaker 2: Is he politicizing murder or is he standing up for crime?
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Speaker 3: Weary Victorians and the Australian government ban on an Israeli
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Speaker 3: politician in part because they fear his anti Hamas views
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Speaker 3: might inflame segments of the Australian community. Is that an
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Speaker 3: example of national security or national cowardice?
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Speaker 2: All of that shortly, but first.
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Speaker 3: Australia's Indian community has become one of the strongest voting
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Speaker 3: blocks in the country. New research from the Redbridge Polling
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Speaker 3: Group suggests as many as eighty five percent back labor
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Speaker 3: at the last federal election. And when you consider there's
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Speaker 3: just shy of a million Indian born people living in
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Speaker 3: this country, it's quite a bramch stack. Any wond who
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese was so eager to address Sydney's Indian community
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Speaker 3: when President Mody visited back in twenty twenty three. This
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Speaker 3: wasn't just cultural diplomacy, this was electoral arithmetic.
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Speaker 4: I said to my friend the Prime Minister before the
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Speaker 4: last time I saw someone on the stage here was
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Speaker 4: Bruce Springston and he didn't.
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Speaker 1: Get the welcome.
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister.
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Speaker 6: Mighty has got.
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister Mighty is the boss.
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Speaker 3: I think Albanze was banking on the Indian community making
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Speaker 3: him the boss, and overwhelmingly they did. The question, though,
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Speaker 3: is why why would first generation migrants from India, who
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Speaker 3: were culturally and socially conservative vote in their droves for
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Speaker 3: a progressive prime minister like Albanesi. Well, the answer, according
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Speaker 3: to Ridgebridge, is the Indian community don't believe the coalition
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Speaker 3: likes them.
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Speaker 5: Joe, yeah, look that is true.
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Speaker 8: And again the I mean it's a matter of fact,
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Speaker 8: I think that even acknowledged by the Coalition that the
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Speaker 8: anti immigration rhetoric that Peter Dutton was you know, the
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Speaker 8: tough on board is tough on border security, which you know,
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Speaker 8: again sometimes that plays really well with the electorate. But
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Speaker 8: he was clearly seen as beating that drum a bit
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Speaker 8: too hard, and migrant communities saw him as being against them.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't that they.
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Speaker 8: Thought great, where he let's shut the door behind us.
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Speaker 8: They thought that this was sort of code for we
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Speaker 8: don't want brown people in Australia. I think that's, you know,
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Speaker 8: an exaggeration. I don't think Peter Duton's racist at all,
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Speaker 8: but that is definitely how it was seen. But also
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Speaker 8: the other thing is that the Indiana I know this
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Speaker 8: community really really well.
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Speaker 5: It was just in Little India at the opening.
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Speaker 8: Of a restaurant there just last week and Andrew Charlton
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Speaker 8: was there. He has worked really really really hard to
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Speaker 8: win over and become part of and understand that community.
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Speaker 8: And he is he is hero worshiped. And he's the
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Speaker 8: member for Paramatta, which is takes in Harris Park, which
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Speaker 8: is basically Australia's you know, you know, is Little India.
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Speaker 8: It is the hub of the Indian community in Australia.
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Speaker 8: If you look at his margin, I mean that's gone
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Speaker 8: from just two elections to go, gone from being a
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Speaker 8: liberal seat to a safe labor seat that he now
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Speaker 8: holds with you know, on double digit figures. So you know,
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Speaker 8: he has done the real hard yards by just door knocking,
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Speaker 8: listening to the community, speaking to the community.
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Speaker 5: There's friends of.
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Speaker 8: Mine in the community there who work really hard to
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Speaker 8: engage and connect the politicians and listen to the community.
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Speaker 8: And the truth is that I know everyone here says,
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Speaker 8: you know, Anthey Aberneze is a closet communist. Story is
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Speaker 8: crazily progressive. Albo has gone out of his way aside
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Speaker 8: from the voice, Albo has gone out of his way
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Speaker 8: to be as socially conservatives he possibly can. But you
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Speaker 8: didn't even want to ask people about sexuality in the
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Speaker 8: in the census, for God's sake. And and you know,
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Speaker 8: I pissed off a whole bunch of sort of inn
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Speaker 8: left progressives, including my wife, in so doing. And so
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Speaker 8: he is seen as a safe pair. He is seen
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Speaker 8: as a safe pair of hands. And that is why
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Speaker 8: we're seeing the results in newspoll that we saw just
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Speaker 8: last week. He is not seen as the great threat
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Speaker 8: that a lot of conservatives seem as.
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Speaker 5: Maybe one day he'll peel.
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Speaker 8: Off the mask like Tom Cruise and Mission impossible and
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Speaker 8: there'll be a giant meduca monster underneath.
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Speaker 5: But I don't think so.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean it's hard to know exactly what's
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Speaker 7: going on, and I suspect it's a combination of a
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Speaker 7: number of factors. The anti immigration retoric saying you're going
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Speaker 7: to cut immigration. Migrants you are here might feel like, oh,
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Speaker 7: well you're saying you're going to cut immigration. That means
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Speaker 7: I may not have been here. Or if they're holding
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Speaker 7: out for family reunification visas they've got grandparents back in
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Speaker 7: India or wherever that they want to bring out here,
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Speaker 7: they'll think, well, maybe my family w be able to come.
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Speaker 7: But whatever it is, and I suspect there are a
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Speaker 7: combination of factors. It's very concerning when one ethnic block
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Speaker 7: is voting overwhelmingly for one party. I just don't see
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Speaker 7: how that has happened. And is there a sufficient level
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Speaker 7: of integration within the broader community, the broader Australian society,
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Speaker 7: because eighty five percent of an ethnic community voting one
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Speaker 7: way is overwhelming And then you look at the rates
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Speaker 7: of immigration that are occurring under Albanezi. Is this now
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Speaker 7: being used as a convenient political tool to change the
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Speaker 7: demographics of electorates over time? If you look at a
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Speaker 7: map comparing the demographics of electorates around Australia with the
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Speaker 7: Liberal vote, it is basically impossible for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 7: to now win any majority non Anglo seat, which happens
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Speaker 7: to be most of the metropolit in areas of Australia.
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Speaker 7: So it's a tough challenge. And I don't know can
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Speaker 7: you attribute intention to that, because a lot of people
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Speaker 7: online are saying this is an intentional strategy to jerrymander
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Speaker 7: through migration. I don't know if it's intension as much
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Speaker 7: as it is lack of appropriate integration.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you were in charge of migration policy as
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Speaker 3: the government is, and you knew that one particular group
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Speaker 3: will vote for you around eighty five percent, it'd be
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Speaker 3: pretty tempting to make sure that plenty of visas are
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Speaker 3: issued that way. The other thing, though, is that the
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Speaker 3: whole Dutton is a racist. The immigration debate is a
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Speaker 3: racist debate that was ramped up by the media ABC.
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Speaker 3: Laura Tingles in Australia's and racist country always has been
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Speaker 3: ridiculous in relation to the immigration debate. Labor of course
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Speaker 3: played on that, which is really playing on people's emotions.
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Speaker 3: So you've got if this Red Bridge polling is true,
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Speaker 3: you've got the Indian community voting against their own interests
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Speaker 3: socially and culturally conservative voting for a progressive government. Joe
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Speaker 3: not as progressive as many people think, but still Elbow's
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Speaker 3: left leaning progressive. But they're doing it out of emotion
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Speaker 3: because it's personal. But it was made personal by a
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Speaker 3: cynical media and by a cynical.
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Speaker 7: Labor partner, and I think as well. The other factor
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Speaker 7: is conservative politics is a message of delayed gratification. So
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Speaker 7: you don't get the handouts now because you're thinking about
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Speaker 7: the greater good of the country down the line. For
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Speaker 7: that to happen, you need to have a shared sense
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Speaker 7: of we of Australia, of who we are, of loyalty
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Speaker 7: and respect for your fellow citizen. I don't just want
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Speaker 7: to take everything I can from the system now because
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Speaker 7: I actually care about the future of this country now.
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Speaker 7: The reality is as migration rams up and we don't
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Speaker 7: really know what the highest rate of migration a country
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Speaker 7: can sustain is before you do see mass social breakdown,
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Speaker 7: and you look at what's happening in Europe where they've
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Speaker 7: got basically weekly riots around mass migration. Well, we don't
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Speaker 7: know what the long term consequences of this are and
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Speaker 7: I do suspect that if you are a recent migrant,
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Speaker 7: not all because my dad's a migrant and he loves
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Speaker 7: this country because he chose to come here, but if
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Speaker 7: you do have a large enough number who aren't being
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Speaker 7: sufficiently integrated into the local Australian way of life, you
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Speaker 7: could get a lot of people who end up going
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Speaker 7: I want a government that gives me as much as
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Speaker 7: I can get out of the system, and why should
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Speaker 7: I really care about the long term future of Australia
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Speaker 7: when I got here five minutes ago.
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Speaker 8: So to be honest, I think that kind of way
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Speaker 8: of seeing things is exactly why the migrant community turns
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Speaker 8: to the Labor Party and not to the Coalition, because
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Speaker 8: they just do not recognize themselves in that description, as
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Speaker 8: in the yeah, we just got off the boat, what
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Speaker 8: can you give us now? That might apply to a
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Speaker 8: very small minority of people. But the person the last
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Speaker 8: time I was in Little Indiao was for these are
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Speaker 8: small business people, these are entrepreneurs.
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Speaker 5: This was a guy who.
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Speaker 8: Was complaining about, you know, council red tape and how
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Speaker 8: long it took him to open his business and how
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Speaker 8: much it cost him in FA. So again this guy
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Speaker 8: should be an absolute card carrying liberal vote. He's a
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Speaker 8: small business person. He's opened a restaurant and he said,
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Speaker 8: and I remember, it really struck me because you're right.
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Speaker 8: It is in contrast to what a lot you hear
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Speaker 8: from a lot of other people, both migrants and non migrants.
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Speaker 8: But he said, I came to this country with nothing,
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Speaker 8: and I owe this country everything. And one of the
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Speaker 8: things he does is every Tuesday night he oh.
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Speaker 5: It's a night.
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Speaker 8: In fact, he will feed you know, hundreds and hundreds
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Speaker 8: of people. He use out free meals from his restaurants,
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Speaker 8: so anyone in the community who wants them, you know,
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Speaker 8: rich or poor a lot. And so to hear someone
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Speaker 8: talking saying, look, we can't afford to have any more
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Speaker 8: migrants because they're coming here and they're overwhelming the system
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Speaker 8: and they just want to take from us and we
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Speaker 8: can't afford it. If he hears that and he goes,
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Speaker 8: what are you talking about. I've given absolutely everything to
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Speaker 8: this country.
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Speaker 2: It's not possible to walk and chew gum.
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Speaker 5: At the same absolutely should be that is less.
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Speaker 2: That is a time. High migration is a problem for
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Speaker 2: the country. We need to have it, that's right.
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Speaker 8: But when all but when all he hears about migration
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Speaker 8: or immigrants being said by one side of politics is
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Speaker 8: that it's too high, that we can't have any more,
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Speaker 8: that we're full, that it's a burden we can't afford it,
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Speaker 8: he is obviously going to go, well, you're not my
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Speaker 8: people then, So despite the fact he's a small business
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Speaker 8: person who hates bureaucracy and red tape and you know,
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Speaker 8: he's complaining about you know, kids not working hard enough
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Speaker 8: and he can't find enough workers and so he has
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Speaker 8: to rely on international students.
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Speaker 7: But see, this is where the framing matters. If the
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Speaker 7: Coalition wants to win this debate, you have to frame
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Speaker 7: it as when you're speaking to migrants, if you want
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Speaker 7: to preserve this as the country you chose to come
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Speaker 7: to that you love. That's why we need to bring
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Speaker 7: migration down to sustainable levels, talk about the issue itself
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Speaker 7: rather than the people. But again it is a very
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Speaker 7: difficult and complex issue. Well, going to Victoria now, a
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Speaker 7: number of Christian groups have concerns about a parliamentary inquiry
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Speaker 7: into cults and outlawing coercive behavior in religious groups. A
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Speaker 7: leaked email from the office of Renee Heath the Victorian
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Speaker 7: MP says one of her staffers was emailing the Samuel
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Speaker 7: Griffith Society, which is a conservative legal group legal think tank,
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Speaker 7: encouraging them to make submissions against the inquiry. And the
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Speaker 7: concern really here is that by outlawing coercive practices, this
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Speaker 7: is going to be yet another set of laws at
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Speaker 7: the disposal of the Victorian Labor government that could be
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Speaker 7: potentially manipulated to crack down on churches. And when you
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Speaker 7: look at the direction of here in New South Wales,
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Speaker 7: we have the Conversion Practices Act, says even if a
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Speaker 7: person consents to conversion practice, which could include something like prayer,
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Speaker 7: they're unable to do so and the minister or the
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Speaker 7: passer could get in trouble. So I understand the anxiety here.
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Speaker 7: Anytime you're handing over power to the government, especially when
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Speaker 7: it comes to faith and the operation of churches and
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Speaker 7: religious institutions, that's dangerous. And the staff for in this
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Speaker 7: email warned we risk creating an idea of state sanctioned
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Speaker 7: religion rather than just let churches exist and operate.
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Speaker 3: So no one agrees that coercive behavior is okay. The
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Speaker 3: problem is who desfines coercive behavior and how so the
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Speaker 3: committee talking about examples of coercive behavior would be where
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Speaker 3: you use a social event to build rapport with people
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Speaker 3: you're trying to recruit.
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Speaker 2: Every union does that, a time club does that. You're
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Speaker 2: going to outlaw that.
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Speaker 3: The promising of higher knowledge, well, every religion holds out
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Speaker 3: the promise of higher knowledge. According to the committee, that
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Speaker 3: could be coercive control using charismatic leaders.
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Speaker 2: So you've got to us zero personality. I mean.
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Speaker 3: Another example is insider language and symbols. Well, what organization
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Speaker 3: doesn't use inside a life language and symbols in order
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Speaker 3: to build community and a sense of us.
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Speaker 8: So going after the Freemasons now I undertand.
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Speaker 2: These things can be pushed to an extreme.
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Speaker 3: But do we really trust government to define these things
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Speaker 3: correctly and not use them as leverage to start having
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Speaker 3: shots at people whose beliefs they don't like? Though the
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Speaker 3: committee assure us it's about practices, not beliefs. But you
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Speaker 3: mentioned the conversion practices ban where prayer even for someone
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Speaker 3: wanting prayer, they can't even elect to have someone pray
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Speaker 3: for them. The government says no, So I don't know
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Speaker 3: that we would trust governments to make good decisions.
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Speaker 5: On this no.
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Speaker 8: I think the Victorian government has obviously shown itself to
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Speaker 8: be extremely anti religion, and we all know well I
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Speaker 8: think Dan Andrews pronounced judgment on George Pell's guilt or
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Speaker 8: innocence in a press release despite the High Court finding otherwise.
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Speaker 5: So I think it is problematic.
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Speaker 8: And I think often you have sort of you know,
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Speaker 8: secular progressives who just don't get religion, just don't understand,
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Speaker 8: and to them it all just seems like a cult.
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Speaker 8: It all seems like this sort of dangerous, crazy, wacky thing.
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Speaker 8: And I don't think they have the imagination or the
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Speaker 8: empathy to understand how incredibly deeply important it is to
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Speaker 8: people and how much a part of their sense of
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Speaker 8: worth and sense of self it is.
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Speaker 5: And you only have to look through a history.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is for some people, this is the
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Speaker 8: question of whether or not they, you know, have eternal
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Speaker 8: salvation or rot in the ground. And that's how much
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Speaker 8: people believe that. And for someone who says, oh well
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Speaker 8: that's all just baldered ash, you know, that's all rubbish anyway,
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Speaker 8: you stupid, you stupid lump and prole, you know that
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Speaker 8: takes away their entire sense of self. I do think
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Speaker 8: that there does. On the other side, there is the
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Speaker 8: question of conversion, there being sort of I kind of
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Speaker 8: liken it to if someone had cancer and said to
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Speaker 8: their pastor, I've got cancer and the past said, don't
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Speaker 8: worry about seeing a doctor or whatever.
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Speaker 5: We're going to have a prayer circle and we're going
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Speaker 5: to pray the cancer away.
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Speaker 8: That is where I think you get into that sort
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Speaker 8: of difficulty where someone can have a perfectly normal, natural
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Speaker 8: physical condition I either're gay or whatever it might be,
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Speaker 8: and people say, no, no, no, that's the devil inside you.
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Speaker 8: You know, we're going to get that out of you
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Speaker 8: and be good for it. And you say, thank you
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Speaker 8: very much, thank you very much for reverend.
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Speaker 7: Please any the problem encroachment on the activities of the
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Speaker 7: church is dangerous any and you just look at the
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Speaker 7: terms of this any any church, there's any institution with
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Speaker 7: a charismatic leader, with social frame, anything like that, so
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Speaker 7: you can go that far.
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Speaker 3: For instance, the government have said if you're going to
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Speaker 3: work with kids in a church, you need a working
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Speaker 3: with children. Now that's government encroachment on church. But we
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Speaker 3: would all support that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but churches.
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Speaker 2: Any limit on churches or any regulation is bad.
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Speaker 7: Well, of course you can't take it to the extreme.
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Speaker 7: But at the same time, I think most churches, if
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Speaker 7: they're truly Christian, would self regulate and have safe working
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Speaker 7: with children practices.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, history shows us that's not that.
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Speaker 7: Unfortunately that's true. But I just think in this case
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Speaker 7: is when you're starting to define cults and the risk
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Speaker 7: of this becoming just another way to climb down on
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Speaker 7: charges is just too high.
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Speaker 3: The first thing I thought of when I read this
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Speaker 3: was just the other day justinto Allen, the Victorian Premier,
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Speaker 3: when asked about the appropriateness of five year old children
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Speaker 3: being taught they might grade five five year old chidren
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Speaker 3: be Todd born them wrong body, and she said it
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Speaker 3: was disgusting for anyone even to suggest that this was
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Speaker 3: wrong to teach kids. And so that clearly is in
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Speaker 3: position of a belief and a set of values on
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Speaker 3: the Victorian public.
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Speaker 5: Have been born in the right body.
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Speaker 2: So would you trust them on this inquiry, I'm not
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Speaker 2: so sure.
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about a new internet craze called
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Speaker 3: carnivore babies, which is where mums boast that they've stopped
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Speaker 3: feeding their bubbs. I don't know, mashed pair and started
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Speaker 3: giving them ribby steak pure banana is so yesterday. Toddler's
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Speaker 3: chewing on a tea bone, Well, that's the latest parenting hack.
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Speaker 3: The justification is fear of processed foods. The problem, though,
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Speaker 3: is babies aren't small adults. They're still developing their bodies,
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Speaker 3: and so I would have thought a balanced diet rather
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Speaker 3: than an animal product only diet, is the way to go.
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Speaker 3: But where I really got concerned Joe and Freyer is
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Speaker 3: when I read in the Wall Street Journal that some
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Speaker 3: parents I'm quoting here say they're inspired by social media stars.
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Speaker 2: Handful of doctors who are.
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Speaker 3: Raising their own carnival babies have YouTube channels with hundreds
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Speaker 3: of thousands and even millions of Subscribers' translation, your baby's
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Speaker 3: dinner plate is being curated by an.
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Speaker 2: Influencer chasing ad revenue. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: This is such a great idea. I'm not saying meat
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Speaker 3: is bad for bubbs. I don't know, but I would
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Speaker 3: have thought balanced diet is the way to go, not
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Speaker 3: listening to an influencer on YouTube. Fray, you look dubious.
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Speaker 7: I don't know. Look, this is not medical advice, but
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Speaker 7: what I will say is that there is huge mistrust
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Speaker 7: in this estab medical industry. A lot of what we've
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Speaker 7: been taught about diets is actually false. The whole food
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Speaker 7: pyramid where carbs is your your biggest food group, it
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Speaker 7: should actually be inverted. It should be meat and you
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Speaker 7: should have carbs, and sure there should be the smallest
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Speaker 7: part of your diet. So I think a lot of
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Speaker 7: people feel as though they've been lied to by the
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Speaker 7: food industry. Especially in America. The amount of processed food
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Speaker 7: that is in the average diet is just abominable. So
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Speaker 7: to be honest, think probably having clean meat is actually
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Speaker 7: better than half the stuff you'd pick up at the
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Speaker 7: grocery stores in the US.
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Speaker 3: You're they're pushing from one string to the other, though,
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Speaker 3: That's that's always the way these things go.
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Speaker 8: I think any diet or any new fad that says
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Speaker 8: it's so simple all you have to do is this
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Speaker 8: is instantly dodgy. It's instantly Obviously, if anything was perfect victorially,
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Speaker 8: we'd be able to calloria when you behave on the cars,
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Speaker 8: and you wouldn't be able to do it to five
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Speaker 8: year old children. But firstly, I like this just because
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Speaker 8: it pieces off vegans, so that in itself makes me
18:59
Speaker 8: very hapha. Everything else is total bunk them. It is
19:02
Speaker 8: so crazy. It is straight out of the Pete Evans playbook.
19:05
Speaker 8: It is you know, I mean, having had three kids myself,
19:09
Speaker 8: or you know someone else did my wife or whatever.
19:11
Speaker 8: But I watched her and you know, well sometimes you know,
19:15
Speaker 8: I got a bit bored and just went off and
19:16
Speaker 8: watched television. But you know, like I was aware, generally
19:19
Speaker 8: speaking of what she was doing.
19:21
Speaker 5: But now all the advice is.
19:23
Speaker 8: You know, you're on, just on your liquids and your
19:25
Speaker 8: your breast milk or if you can't do that, you're
19:26
Speaker 8: forming or whatever. And then you have your mushy, mushy
19:28
Speaker 8: mushy stuff and it's and and meat doesn't come till way, way,
19:33
Speaker 8: way later. And I can tell you there's a very
19:35
Speaker 8: good reason for that, and that is because when it
19:37
Speaker 8: comes out again, it ain't pretty.
19:40
Speaker 5: So you want to put that off for as long
19:42
Speaker 5: as possible.
19:43
Speaker 8: The window between their meeting meat and them being toilet train.
19:46
Speaker 5: You want to be this b.
19:49
Speaker 8: But it's just so exciting to think that finally the
19:52
Speaker 8: backlash against veganism is on because I think the number
19:56
Speaker 8: of people who uh, you know, what do we say
19:59
Speaker 8: self identify vegans and our vegans is on the decline,
20:03
Speaker 8: and there's even been our boss, our Feelists leader Mark Calvert,
20:07
Speaker 8: revealed to us as part of his tireless research into
20:10
Speaker 8: this matter, that are celebrated all vegan.
20:14
Speaker 5: Restaurant in New York, which sounds like an.
20:16
Speaker 8: Uber wank fest of just astronomical proportion, has now announced
20:22
Speaker 8: that were reintroducing meat and fish to the menu four
20:26
Speaker 8: years after it removed them. This is the Manhattan three
20:29
Speaker 8: Michelin Star restaurant eleven Madison Park, which I guarantee you
20:34
Speaker 8: I would not touch with a barge pole. But it's
20:38
Speaker 8: obviously decided, Oh.
20:39
Speaker 5: You know, everyone's vegan. Now everyone's vegan. Now let's go
20:41
Speaker 5: with through it and make a big deal about how
20:42
Speaker 5: vegan we are.
20:43
Speaker 8: Is progressive him, so you know, it was all about
20:45
Speaker 8: the planet everything, and now that everyone's sort of going
20:47
Speaker 8: off there and they.
20:48
Speaker 5: Go, oh no, actually, now it's about like you know,
20:50
Speaker 5: customer choice. So you're a bunch of absolute wankers either way.
20:54
Speaker 8: But it is just good to see that, you know,
20:57
Speaker 8: all this veganism, all these people who suddenly thought this
21:00
Speaker 8: was the only way to save the planet, because that
21:03
Speaker 8: was the big thing we have to eat bugs to
21:05
Speaker 8: save planet Earth, not just to save the cows, but
21:07
Speaker 8: to save the whole shebang.
21:09
Speaker 5: Now they decided, yeah, actually I'm a bit bored with that.
21:11
Speaker 5: Can't really bother.
21:12
Speaker 8: Maybe the Earth dies, but you know, still wouldn't buy
21:15
Speaker 8: a Tomahawk's take. So you know everything you need to
21:18
Speaker 8: know about the selfless nature of progressive correct.
21:21
Speaker 7: Well, the whole vegan market in the UK has halved
21:23
Speaker 7: in around a year, so that just tells you vegan
21:26
Speaker 7: is out. Carnivore even for babies is apparently in. But
21:29
Speaker 7: a Swiss watch company, Swatch, is under fire for an
21:35
Speaker 7: allegedly racist ad. In the ad, it depicts an Asian
21:40
Speaker 7: man holding his eyes back in what some say is racist.
21:44
Speaker 7: It has sparked backlash on Chinese social media, with calls
21:49
Speaker 7: to boycott the company. Swatch withdrew the ad and apologize
21:54
Speaker 7: for the offense caused and the racist connotation.
21:58
Speaker 8: It's an Asian towards asiawards Asians, that's.
22:02
Speaker 2: The offensive image there.
22:03
Speaker 3: So that's been interpreted as a deliberate shot at Asian
22:07
Speaker 3: people for having slanty ice.
22:10
Speaker 5: He's concentrating.
22:11
Speaker 2: I just thought he was thinking. That's honestly what I
22:13
Speaker 2: thought when I saw that photo.
22:14
Speaker 7: Yeah, I really don't know what it's about. And it's
22:16
Speaker 7: an Asian guy doing it, and it's not the first
22:19
Speaker 7: ad to have that sort of pose pulling your eye.
22:23
Speaker 7: I really don't get what the drama.
22:25
Speaker 3: The watchmaker apologized they withdrew the ad, as you said,
22:28
Speaker 3: because a quarter of their revenue comes from China. So
22:31
Speaker 3: whether the complaint is justified or not, I suppose they
22:34
Speaker 3: just could not afford to ignore. This is one of
22:37
Speaker 3: the problems though, with globalization, where you've got a marketing
22:40
Speaker 3: team sitting over here marketing a product worldwide.
22:44
Speaker 2: It's very hard to.
22:45
Speaker 3: Account for if we're going to take the complaints in
22:48
Speaker 3: good faith, which I find difficult to be honest. But
22:51
Speaker 3: let's say, okay, people are genuinely offended by this. It
22:54
Speaker 3: would be difficult if you're leading a marketing department in
22:57
Speaker 3: the US instance, to anticipate how you're campaign is going
23:00
Speaker 3: to be interpreted in Zimbabwe, in Beijing, and in the Seachelles.
23:05
Speaker 5: That's right, and the thing is, obviously, I mean, this
23:07
Speaker 5: is the problem.
23:08
Speaker 8: Do you always bow to the person who is the
23:11
Speaker 8: most precious, the most likely to get offended, And in
23:13
Speaker 8: many many cases, someone who either as an individual or
23:17
Speaker 8: as part of a group, is actually there to say
23:19
Speaker 8: to look for anything that might be offensive and then
23:22
Speaker 8: leap on it, amplify it, send it to other people
23:25
Speaker 8: who would never normally be looking at this out or
23:27
Speaker 8: give a flying rats about you know, Swatch or ads
23:31
Speaker 8: or whatever, and on the other side of the world,
23:33
Speaker 8: and say, look how racist this is. Look at these
23:35
Speaker 8: people they're making fun of Chinese people. Have a look,
23:37
Speaker 8: it's terrible, isn't it anything? It's racist? And you create
23:40
Speaker 8: that store, you know, the numpties like you know, you're
23:42
Speaker 8: sleeping giants and your other sort of keyboard warriors who
23:45
Speaker 8: get off on this sort of thing. And so all
23:47
Speaker 8: these people actually see what is being done that might
23:52
Speaker 8: have been done with the most innocent intentions or completely
23:54
Speaker 8: opposite intentions, they are seeing it through this prism of
23:58
Speaker 8: look at this grotesquely racist thing that this Swiss watch
24:02
Speaker 8: company that was you know, giving money to the Nazis
24:05
Speaker 8: in World War II or something, you know, whatever I mean,
24:07
Speaker 8: you know, So they give this whole narrative about whatever
24:09
Speaker 8: it is, and away you go, bye. Well, I don't
24:12
Speaker 8: know if the watch gave any money to nights.
24:14
Speaker 3: I've got to point out, though, the irony of people
24:17
Speaker 3: in China apparently complaining that that image was racist. Have
24:22
Speaker 3: look at this Chinese commercial back from twenty sixteen advertising
24:27
Speaker 3: washing detergent, and tell me if people in glasshouses should
24:31
Speaker 3: be throwing stones.
24:52
Speaker 5: That s racious.
24:54
Speaker 7: It's just so anti woke.
24:56
Speaker 8: I mean, it's aught that you go, you go to India,
25:00
Speaker 8: you can get all these because having lighter skin as
25:02
Speaker 8: as being of higher cast and so you get all
25:05
Speaker 8: these skin lightning products. And they've got all these pictures
25:07
Speaker 8: on the front that will have a dark, darker skinned
25:10
Speaker 8: person go then a wider, skinn person game, so they
25:14
Speaker 8: seriously do it. Also, by the way, do you want
25:16
Speaker 8: to see my impersonation of being racist towards white people?
25:19
Speaker 5: You ready?
25:20
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but give it a go.
25:24
Speaker 5: There you go? That was it? Just round us because
25:26
Speaker 5: that's right, so very good. There, So there you go.
25:29
Speaker 5: We're all canceled. Now nice working with you. One third.
25:32
Speaker 3: Well, the Victorian Labour Party wants to cancel the opposition
25:35
Speaker 3: leader because he's committed the serious crime in Victoria of
25:38
Speaker 3: drawing attention to crime and how serious it is. Brad
25:41
Speaker 3: Batton was on his way into work this morning when
25:44
Speaker 3: he heard over the radio that someone had been stabbed
25:47
Speaker 3: to death outside the Dandyong BP service station, which wasn't
25:51
Speaker 3: that far from where he found himself in traffic. So
25:54
Speaker 3: he decided to drive on over there and hold an
25:56
Speaker 3: impromptu press conference talking about just how bad crime in
26:00
Speaker 3: Victoria is and demanding the government do something about it. Well,
26:05
Speaker 3: Labor reacted saying it was a disgrace that he would
26:08
Speaker 3: politicize crime and that he owed the dead man's family
26:12
Speaker 3: and apology, which sounds to me Freyer like the Labor
26:16
Speaker 3: Party would just upset that Brad Batman was drawing attention
26:19
Speaker 3: to crime, and so they decided to draw attention to
26:22
Speaker 3: Brad Baton.
26:22
Speaker 7: This seems to be just into Alan's strategy. Whenever Labor
26:26
Speaker 7: is called out for anything in Victoria, they immediately get
26:29
Speaker 7: mad at people calling them out and say, how dare
26:32
Speaker 7: you bring politics into this? But the reality is the
26:35
Speaker 7: crime crisis in Victoria. Crime is up twenty percent just
26:39
Speaker 7: in the last year. The crime crisis is a result
26:42
Speaker 7: of complete government failure on law and order. And I
26:46
Speaker 7: bet you if you're the family of someone who has
26:49
Speaker 7: been stabbed to death outside of a service station, you
26:52
Speaker 7: would be grateful that a politician is taking the time
26:55
Speaker 7: to speak about your issue, raise awareness and hopefully do
26:59
Speaker 7: something so other families don't have to go through the
27:02
Speaker 7: same thing. But it did make me think, you know,
27:04
Speaker 7: the next thing just into Allen's going to ban. It's
27:07
Speaker 7: probably press conferences outside crime scenes because she just sees
27:11
Speaker 7: anything that's uncomfortable for her. Let's just ban it because
27:13
Speaker 7: it's better than dealing with the actual underlying issue, which
27:16
Speaker 7: is the crime.
27:17
Speaker 3: Well, her ministers don't turn up to crime scenes, and
27:19
Speaker 3: the reason's pretty simply. If they did, they wouldn't have
27:22
Speaker 3: time to do anything else.
27:24
Speaker 8: Well, look, obviously the crime in Victoria has gotten out
27:26
Speaker 8: of control and the government is just woeful and it's
27:29
Speaker 8: now desperately backpedaling on all the things that was doing,
27:32
Speaker 8: including you know, bail laws and lowering the age of
27:35
Speaker 8: criminal liability and you know, banning.
27:38
Speaker 5: Machetes in million dollar bins that people can do.
27:41
Speaker 8: But I will say this too, Brad Badden, dan and
27:44
Speaker 8: On represent this is a scarf I wore in this
27:49
Speaker 8: morning because I went to Danenong Primary School. I'm very
27:52
Speaker 8: proud dan and onmim. Yes we're a bit stabby, but
27:56
Speaker 8: this is the and now I think he's a member
27:58
Speaker 8: for Barrick, which is why it was you have to
28:00
Speaker 8: drive through dan and on presumably not stopping at any
28:03
Speaker 8: red lights to get to Berrick, which is sort of.
28:05
Speaker 5: Fancy out down the right.
28:07
Speaker 8: But Daniel is a tough town is It is born
28:11
Speaker 8: the brunt of a huge amount of social unrest and
28:16
Speaker 8: poverty and disadvantage and all that sort of stuff. And
28:19
Speaker 8: the last thing it needs is a politician trying to
28:22
Speaker 8: use the latest tragedy to hit it as some kind
28:25
Speaker 8: of some kind of soap box to jump up and
28:28
Speaker 8: down and score political points.
28:29
Speaker 5: Now he can do it, Yes, he can do it
28:31
Speaker 5: in the parliament. He can do it wherever. But you
28:33
Speaker 5: don't go right.
28:34
Speaker 3: If you want to mind make the point at the
28:36
Speaker 3: crime scene, I've show people the reality of.
28:41
Speaker 5: People can see the reality.
28:42
Speaker 8: They know that, but they keep the voting for the
28:44
Speaker 8: government so common that I mean, what's he going to
28:47
Speaker 8: do now, you know, start taking the pulse of the
28:49
Speaker 8: corpse and saying, you know, drawing the line around him
28:51
Speaker 8: in chalk. I mean, how much helping is he going
28:53
Speaker 8: to do? I reckon going to wear a crime scene
28:56
Speaker 8: where there is still an active investigation on I reckon
28:59
Speaker 8: is just so far over the line that it shows
29:03
Speaker 8: his instincts are just skew iff. And I've always been
29:07
Speaker 8: really tough, despite you know, being a bit soft on labor.
29:09
Speaker 8: I've always been extremely tough on Andrews and Allen, especially
29:12
Speaker 8: the stuff they've done with COVID, and especially the stuff
29:14
Speaker 8: where they've let go of any sense of law and
29:17
Speaker 8: order in my great home States and indeed my great hometown.
29:22
Speaker 8: But to use a still live crime scene as the
29:26
Speaker 8: site of an impromptu press con.
29:28
Speaker 3: Crime scene was still live, but unfortunately the citizen was
29:31
Speaker 3: dead because of labor policies where they've gone soft on
29:35
Speaker 3: Brad Batten's crime is drawing, but we don't we don't
29:39
Speaker 3: know about how he said and see if it was outline?
29:41
Speaker 1: Here is what is it going to take for Justinto
29:44
Speaker 1: Allen to get her head out of the sand and
29:46
Speaker 1: understand that crime in Victoria.
29:48
Speaker 5: Is literally killing people.
29:50
Speaker 1: We've seen people stabbed in their own homes, We're seeing
29:53
Speaker 1: it on the streets here in Daniel, and we're continuously
29:55
Speaker 1: seeing young people run around with machetes and knives and
29:59
Speaker 1: putting the entire immunily at risk.
30:02
Speaker 2: What was wrong with that?
30:03
Speaker 8: Because there is still a crime scene there. We don't
30:06
Speaker 8: even know what the circumstances of this fatal stabbing were,
30:09
Speaker 8: Like I.
30:10
Speaker 2: Went into him and now he's dead, that's right.
30:12
Speaker 5: But we don't know.
30:13
Speaker 8: We don't know if the person was out on bar,
30:14
Speaker 8: We don't know what is where, whether they had anything
30:16
Speaker 8: to do with any laws that the government has or
30:18
Speaker 8: hasn't passed, and that may well, that may well come out,
30:21
Speaker 8: and you can talk about the crime stats generally, but
30:23
Speaker 8: do we know what the family of the victim said?
30:25
Speaker 8: Do we know what the police actually think of this
30:27
Speaker 8: guy coming in and cluttering up their crime scene.
30:29
Speaker 3: The police may love some support, I imagine, but what
30:32
Speaker 3: do police think about public policy is kind of irrelevant.
30:35
Speaker 3: The point isment crime.
30:38
Speaker 2: They're not addressing that.
30:40
Speaker 8: That's exactly right, But that doesn't mean you get to
30:42
Speaker 8: just rock up to a crime scene where you know
30:45
Speaker 8: the body may even still be there.
30:47
Speaker 5: I don't know where.
30:48
Speaker 8: The police are still conducting investigations where you would have
30:52
Speaker 8: you would have forensic officers there who are trying to
30:55
Speaker 8: do their job.
30:56
Speaker 7: But this is a symbol of what's going on in
30:59
Speaker 7: the state, and so in some senses, it doesn't matter
31:01
Speaker 7: what the particulars of this case are You've got four
31:04
Speaker 7: hundred and seventy thousand crime incidences being recorded by the
31:08
Speaker 7: police in Victoria every year. One of the highest crime
31:11
Speaker 7: rates in the country surged in the last couple of years.
31:13
Speaker 7: It almost doesn't matter what happened in this particular instance.
31:17
Speaker 7: It's what's going on in the whole state, and every
31:19
Speaker 7: Victorian knows it. So for politician is willing to pull
31:22
Speaker 7: up their pants and actually get down to the crime
31:24
Speaker 7: scene and draw some real attention to it.
31:26
Speaker 8: I think that's what if it doesn't matter what happened
31:28
Speaker 8: at that particular crime scene, why go to that particular because.
31:30
Speaker 7: It's a symbol of what's going on in the state.
31:33
Speaker 8: But we don't know what's a symbol of what's going
31:35
Speaker 8: on in the state. And either way, I think it's
31:36
Speaker 8: just there's something grotesque about going to a place where
31:40
Speaker 8: the body's still warm. So you can jump up and
31:43
Speaker 8: down with the police tape in the background and say
31:45
Speaker 8: I'm going to be tough on crime.
31:48
Speaker 2: Up and down.
31:48
Speaker 3: And it's his job to draw attempt into the government
31:51
Speaker 3: failure and the government and it's a job to.
31:53
Speaker 8: Do it in a respectful way. If he cares that
31:55
Speaker 8: much about the victims of crime. I don't think you
31:57
Speaker 8: would do it in front of a crime scene where
32:00
Speaker 8: they were probably members of the family who weren't even
32:02
Speaker 8: aware of it yet, where they're obviously still iseving. No,
32:06
Speaker 8: but everyone knows that he can. If I was going
32:10
Speaker 8: to say, if someone if if someone I know had
32:12
Speaker 8: just been stabbed to death and a politician had you know,
32:16
Speaker 8: you know, within the hour because he just heard about it,
32:19
Speaker 8: or however long it was, was jumping up and down
32:21
Speaker 8: and make Hay with that, I would tell him to
32:23
Speaker 8: go and get no.
32:25
Speaker 7: I think he cares so much about the victims that
32:28
Speaker 7: he wants to get elected so they can change the government,
32:30
Speaker 7: change the laws and protect potential for the former.
32:33
Speaker 2: Police minister too, so he knows how long that's going on.
32:37
Speaker 8: Nothing, stay away from the just stay away from the
32:39
Speaker 8: actual crime scene while cops are actually investigating it, like
32:42
Speaker 8: have a bitter respects.
32:44
Speaker 7: Well, while drama is unfolding in Victoria, there's also some
32:47
Speaker 7: drama going on in camera. Of course, Jim Chalmers is
32:50
Speaker 7: running his exclusive economic reform roundtable, but some of the
32:55
Speaker 7: outsiders that weren't so lucky is to get the golden
32:58
Speaker 7: ticket into labours have organized their own alternative round table,
33:04
Speaker 7: the Real round Table. Senator Matt Canavan, a great friend
33:07
Speaker 7: of Sky News, has been spearheading the charge. This was
33:10
Speaker 7: him today.
33:12
Speaker 6: Tomorrow I'll be hosting a real productivity round table because
33:17
Speaker 6: I think the one that started today is a fake
33:20
Speaker 6: productivity discussion. It's fake because the government is refusing to
33:26
Speaker 6: recognize the massive elephant in the room, which is Australia's
33:30
Speaker 6: skyrocketing energy prices. If you can't bring energy prices down,
33:36
Speaker 6: you're not going to increase Australia's productivity.
33:40
Speaker 7: And they're going to be leading conservative and center right economists,
33:44
Speaker 7: business leaders, think tank people. So I think it'll be
33:48
Speaker 7: a really great event. Of course, you can actually watch
33:50
Speaker 7: it on Sky News Extra tomorrow at nine to fifty am.
33:54
Speaker 7: Ross Greenwood will be down there hosting that for you.
33:57
Speaker 7: So it should be great. But the point Canavan makes
34:01
Speaker 7: here is so important that one of the biggest factors
34:05
Speaker 7: impacting Australia's productivity is the cost of energy and the
34:09
Speaker 7: flow one impact that has throughout the entire economy. And
34:13
Speaker 7: then the other factor as well is when you've got
34:16
Speaker 7: unions sitting around the productivity roundtable, how much productivity is
34:21
Speaker 7: there actually going to be Their grand idea is a
34:24
Speaker 7: four day work week, literally an anti productivity measure. So
34:28
Speaker 7: good on him, and I think this will be really successful.
34:31
Speaker 3: The CEO of Blue Scope Steel Manufacturing Company warned this
34:35
Speaker 3: week that the cost of gas was pretty much going
34:39
Speaker 3: to ruin manufacturing in this country.
34:42
Speaker 2: He pointed out energy is.
34:43
Speaker 3: Three to four times more expensive in Australia than the US,
34:46
Speaker 3: and even the government's Future Made in Australia program was
34:50
Speaker 3: likely to fail on this one point, the cost of energy.
34:54
Speaker 3: For that not to be a topic of discussion, and
34:56
Speaker 3: for them not to have people who can speak into
34:59
Speaker 3: that the round would seem to be a pretty big omission.
35:02
Speaker 2: But they've got union leaders, so yeah.
35:05
Speaker 8: I mean obviously, I mean I remember when I was
35:07
Speaker 8: a much younger man and boy. In fact, the Accords
35:10
Speaker 8: of the Hawk Keeping Government with Bill Kelty as head
35:12
Speaker 8: of the ACTU, where the Act realized inflation was out
35:16
Speaker 8: of control and actually deliberately exercised restraint on wagers growth
35:22
Speaker 8: and the payoff was other sort of social things, the
35:24
Speaker 8: social safety net. The government would provide education, health, all
35:28
Speaker 8: that sort of stuff, and they saved the economy. They
35:31
Speaker 8: saved the Australian economy and turned it into this decades
35:34
Speaker 8: long story of growth that we've seen ever seence. And
35:37
Speaker 8: then you know, the government's trying and sort of do
35:38
Speaker 8: the same thing here, and the ACTU is just saying, oh, well,
35:41
Speaker 8: we don't want to work five days of work or
35:43
Speaker 8: we don't want to come back to the office.
35:44
Speaker 5: It's like with friends, like your allies. Who needs enemies?
35:47
Speaker 7: You know, did the ACTU back in the day actually
35:51
Speaker 7: save the economy or did they just briefly pause ruining
35:54
Speaker 7: it because I would stay they were destroying it and
35:56
Speaker 7: they're like, oh, maybe we will.
35:58
Speaker 8: The accord was we won't for crazy wage rises because
36:02
Speaker 8: we understand the economy and we know that will just
36:05
Speaker 8: fuel inflation and that will hurt.
36:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as ter just quickly with energy a
36:09
Speaker 3: massive problem, right, Have a listened to the Prime Minister
36:12
Speaker 3: and tell me he's not du lulu.
36:15
Speaker 4: My government is also i think defined Bayer optimism. And
36:19
Speaker 4: there's nowhere in the world you'd rather be than Australia
36:23
Speaker 4: with the natural advantages that we have the access to
36:29
Speaker 4: the best soul of resources in the world and one
36:32
Speaker 4: of the best wind resources.
36:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure, we're optimistic because we've got sun
36:39
Speaker 3: and wind that hasn't proved to be that helpful so
36:41
Speaker 3: far in terms of cost effective energy.
36:44
Speaker 7: Well, one of the things that is making me optimistic
36:46
Speaker 7: is in Bolivia, of all places, after twenty years of
36:51
Speaker 7: socialist rule, his socialist dominance oblivion, politics has ended and
36:56
Speaker 7: two right wing candidates will contest the presidency. We've seen
37:01
Speaker 7: our Salvador drop its crime rates by ninety eight percent
37:06
Speaker 7: under the leadership of a great conservative government. Argentina's economy
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Speaker 7: is recovering under Malay, So you know, go up, good
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Speaker 7: good job South America. They're really carrying for the West
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Speaker 7: and weld.
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Speaker 2: Right now, we're going to go to a break.
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Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
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Speaker 3: including Israeli's Prime Minister absolutely lashes Anthony Elbernizi, describing him
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Speaker 3: as a weak man, and the South Australian Raw Commission
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Speaker 3: into Domestic Violence recommends a ban on parents smacking children.
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Speaker 2: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back. Let's
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Speaker 2: take a look at tomorrow's newspaper headlines. You'll hear them here.
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Speaker 3: First, we'll look at The Herald's Son and they've gone
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Speaker 3: with Benjamin netanyaho's big attack on our prime minister, You're
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Speaker 3: a weak man, Elbow reads. The headline is Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanya who has launched an extraordinary attack on Anthony Alberanezi,
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Speaker 3: labeling him a quote weak politician and accusing him of
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Speaker 3: abandoning Australia's Jews, signaling a serious relationship breakdown between the
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Speaker 3: two leaders. Now, this, of course, Freya comes after the
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Speaker 3: Albanezi government banned a democratically elected member of the Kinesset
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Speaker 3: from coming to Australia, banned him, i believe for a
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Speaker 3: number of years, three ye years. In retaliation, Israel have
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Speaker 3: banned is It, Australia's.
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Speaker 7: Representative to the Palestinian.
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Speaker 3: Authority, from going to Israel. So there's been this back
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Speaker 3: and forwards between our two countries. Now, Benjamin yet Yahoo,
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Speaker 3: it's a pretty extraordinary attack from what was once one
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Speaker 3: of our closest albums.
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Speaker 7: It's shocking to see the way our relationship with Israel
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Speaker 7: has deteriorated under Labor and it's just it is actually
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Speaker 7: heartbreaking because they're a democratic country. They're fighting an almost
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Speaker 7: unwinnable war. The trauma of October seven is still pulpable.
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Speaker 7: They still have fifty hostages that they're fighting to get home.
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Speaker 7: Yet we are spending more time criticizing Israel, banning democratically
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Speaker 7: elected Israeli members of Parliament who his offending statement was
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Speaker 7: that he said, you need to totally eliminate hermas. I mean,
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Speaker 7: you think about it, the stuff we say on our panel.
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Speaker 7: If I were in Israel trying to apply to get
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Speaker 7: into Australia by these standards, I don't know if I
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Speaker 7: would be given a visa to come here. And this
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Speaker 7: is the MP here Simcha Rothman who was banned. It's
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Speaker 7: shocking and it's really sad.
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Speaker 2: I should put out.
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Speaker 3: The former US Ambassador to the United Nations, Kelly Craft,
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Speaker 3: has also said that she doesn't understand why Australia would
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Speaker 3: recognize the state of Palestine when Marco Rubio has said
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Speaker 3: it'll make no difference to anything.
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Speaker 2: Kelly Kraft, the.
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Speaker 3: Former ambassador from America to the UN, has said Australia
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Speaker 3: has just unnecessarily antagonized Donald Trump at the very time
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Speaker 3: when we need Trump's favor.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I obviously I'm pretty about the decision to recognize Palestine.
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Speaker 8: I don't think he will actually even make it past
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Speaker 8: make it through the UN because the US will veto
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Speaker 8: it and the Security Council, which makes.
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Speaker 2: A question, why is the Australian government.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's largely symbolic and perhaps to sort of,
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Speaker 8: you know, put a little bit of moral pressure on
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Speaker 8: netnya who after he declared that he Israel was going
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Speaker 8: to reoccupy the Gaza Strip or Gaza City that has
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Speaker 8: been condemned by everyone right across the political spectrum. I
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Speaker 8: mean Greg Sheridan was writing and that he's one of
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Speaker 8: the best conservative foreign analysts we have, and he was
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Speaker 8: just saying, this is just a mad, mad idea. And
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Speaker 8: I think, well, I know that the Australian government felt
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Speaker 8: had to respond to that in the strongest possible terms,
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Speaker 8: but it still did so respectfully, and it still did
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Speaker 8: so diplomatically. And Anthony Albernezi spoke to Netanyahu on the
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Speaker 8: phone and explained it to him, and I.
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Speaker 2: Think then said, who was in denial?
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Speaker 8: I think the situation I think I said, yeah, sure,
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Speaker 8: but I think net Yahoo calling him weak and you know,
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Speaker 8: I mean that seems to me just to be someone
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Speaker 8: lashing out who is increasingly isolated. And again I'm a
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Speaker 8: huge supporter of israel I think October seven was absolutely
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Speaker 8: unforgivable and was outrage and harmas needs to be white
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Speaker 8: from the face of the earth. But the way that
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Speaker 8: Israel wins this war and wins its legitimacy in the
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Speaker 8: world is not by doing what Benjamin Netnajo is doing.
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Speaker 3: We've got to keep going with this headlines, and we
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Speaker 3: could do this topic for the rest of the night.
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Speaker 8: We're not going to solve the Middle East peas Christ
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Speaker 8: in the paper section.
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Speaker 2: We'd give it a good shot.
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Speaker 3: There is one other story in the front page of
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Speaker 3: tomorrow's Herald's Son which got our attention.
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Speaker 2: Machete bandits set free.
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Speaker 3: Can you believe two teenage boys who allegedly terrorized stuff
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Speaker 3: with machetes in five shop hold ups within two hours have.
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Speaker 2: Been freed on bail a day later.
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Speaker 3: The youths age fifteen and sixteen front of the Children's caught
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Speaker 3: on Tuesday where they begged to be allowed to go home,
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Speaker 3: and the magistrates said he would give them one chance
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Speaker 3: more chance.
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Speaker 2: If we heard that Betten, after he's.
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Speaker 3: Been at the murder scene, should go straight down to
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Speaker 3: the magistrate's court, just go straight to a press just
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Speaker 3: go to the court exactly.
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Speaker 7: And it's the crime in Victoria, same was in Queensland.
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Speaker 7: It's being driven by these repeat youth offenders. So if
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Speaker 7: you crack down on them, a lot of the crime
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Speaker 7: will disappear. But let's move on to the Australia now,
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Speaker 7: where the headline is KROC bosses roundly reject skills tax bid.
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Speaker 7: Business and unions have brawled on the first day of
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Speaker 7: the Economic Reform Roundtable over a push to increase taxes
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Speaker 7: on employers to pay for training workers, with employers saying
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Speaker 7: the actu's proposal would have the number of apprentices and
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Speaker 7: cost four point five billion dollars. The start over a
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Speaker 7: training levee came amid signs of consensus on abolishing more
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Speaker 7: nuisance tariffs and addressing skills shortages through greater collaboration between
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Speaker 7: industry and training institutions. I mean asking businesses to pay
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Speaker 7: to train their staff at the cost of four billion dollars. Again,
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Speaker 7: I am yet to see a proposal from any of
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Speaker 7: these unions that actually increases productivity. All they've seen to
43:08
Speaker 7: come up with is how to burden business more and
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Speaker 7: how to get people to work less, both of which
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Speaker 7: will do nothing for productivity.
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Speaker 8: Interestingly, we had a builder at our real round table
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Speaker 8: because we had a real round We had a real,
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Speaker 8: real round table before you guys had your real roundtable
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Speaker 8: in response to the round table. But we had a
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Speaker 8: build it there. And the Master Builders do a thing
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Speaker 8: where they have a sort of an apprentice pool that
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Speaker 8: they try. It doesn't involve a levy on the businesses,
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Speaker 8: but it can work because you can sort of fit
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Speaker 8: lots of different So you sort of train all these
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Speaker 8: apprentices and if one goes to a job that you
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Speaker 8: know doesn't quite suit their skill set, they can go
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Speaker 8: back and be put somewhere else.
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Speaker 5: And it sort of acts a bit of a harp,
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Speaker 5: so maybe work anyway. I'll shut up now there's another
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Speaker 5: yard of the odds.
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Speaker 8: Do the law and only the law, the Chief Justice warns,
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Speaker 8: the nation's most senior judge says, it is more important
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Speaker 8: than ever.
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Speaker 5: For the judiciary to do law and only law.
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Speaker 8: I mean decreasing trust in courts worldwide And a veiled
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Speaker 8: stroke of a growing trend of activism from the bench
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Speaker 8: were getting the ties are now and is a cracker
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Speaker 8: of a front page smack ban dv Royal Commissions one
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Speaker 8: hundred and thirty six recommendations Laws to stop parents corporal
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Speaker 8: punishment smacking should be outlaw to stop parents abusing their
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Speaker 8: children under the guise of discipline A landmark inquiry into
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Speaker 8: family violence, says Royal Commissioner Natasha Stott de Spoyer remember
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Speaker 8: her this Doc Martin's when she was the youngest ever
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Speaker 8: senator in the ninety nineties. Revealed that she had told
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Speaker 8: that children had told of being beaten or kept like
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Speaker 8: prisoners by parents or cares who argue it is necessary
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Speaker 8: to correct their behavior.
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Speaker 5: Oh, so should be bound smacking.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: No, if parents abuse their children, you charge them with abuse,
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Speaker 3: and you have the brains to differentiate between abuse and discipline,
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Speaker 3: and where there's a problem, you let courts do it.
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Speaker 3: And as for children pointing out an inconsistency and double
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Speaker 3: standard because mums smacks me, but then mum also decries violence, Well,
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Speaker 3: what kid doesn't draw double.
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Speaker 2: Standards in an attempt to get out of discipline.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, And the reality is smacking a kid is very
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Speaker 7: effective discipline. I remember the like two times I ever
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Speaker 7: got smacked on my bottom as a child, and it
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Speaker 7: was for crossing the road without my parents. I was
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Speaker 7: like a toddler and I ran onto a busy road
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Speaker 7: and my parents that was like the one time they
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Speaker 7: smacked me, and I never did it again.
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Speaker 3: I like the way smacked one time because you were
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Speaker 3: such a good Maybe it was.
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Speaker 7: Two, but I don't remember the other one. I definitely
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Speaker 7: remember that.
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Speaker 2: When you go to a break.
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Speaker 3: When we come back a soccer star's goal celebration goes
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Speaker 3: horribly wrong, we'll show you what happened there, plus the
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Speaker 3: citizens arrest. I think we'll have most of us saying yeah,
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Speaker 3: we need a bit more of that coming up in
45:45
Speaker 3: a moment. You know that old expression look before your leap, Well,
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Speaker 3: an Indonesian soccer player could have done with that advice
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Speaker 3: when he staged an elaborate goal celebration.
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Speaker 2: Having headed the ball into the.
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Speaker 3: Net, he rushed towards spectators so they could join his celebration.
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Speaker 2: Here's what happened.
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Speaker 3: Clearly didn't realize it was a three meter drop on
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Speaker 3: the other side of that fence. Fortunately, miraculously he was
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Speaker 3: fine and got up, went back on field and continued
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Speaker 3: to play the game. But I don't think his goal
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Speaker 3: celebration will be quite as exuberant next time should he
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Speaker 3: score well.
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Speaker 7: That's the perks of being an athlete. I guess he
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Speaker 7: landed that pretty well. If any of us had that
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Speaker 7: kind of fall, it would not lucky.
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Speaker 5: As good as heads because he just broke both his.
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Speaker 7: Legs, so exactly well. Check out this wild moment where
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Speaker 7: an Italian Pickpocketer messed with the wrong tourist. You stole
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Speaker 7: my passport.
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Speaker 1: Oh you have eight kids getting me?
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Speaker 7: So this fourteen year old girl stole the purse with
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Speaker 7: the passport in it of an American tourist, and so
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Speaker 7: what did the tourists do? Hold her till the police arrived.
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Speaker 7: That's a citizen's arrest. I support, but the.
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Speaker 8: Hair tough on tough on the cause of crime. Just
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Speaker 8: se Alan could learn a lot from that, and just
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Speaker 8: very quickly. A BBC security manager spent twelve hours combing
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Speaker 8: through CCTV to find out who left a mess in
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Speaker 8: the kitchen, and when he found the culprit, he was
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Speaker 8: the one who got fired, whereas the truster.
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Speaker 3: Got fired for using the CCTV without authority and for
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Speaker 3: evidently spending.
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Speaker 5: Too much time going wrong with that country.
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Speaker 8: If that CCTV is not there to passively aggressively target
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Speaker 8: people who were leaving their food in the fridge for
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Speaker 8: too long?
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Speaker 5: What is it there for that?
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Speaker 2: So who we've got time for? Stick around?
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Speaker 3: Coming up in just a moment is to read a
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Speaker 3: penny show we'll see again tomorrow night