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Creating The Life You Want: with Caroline Stanbury (Real Housewives Reality Star, Podcast Host) · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe and each week my guests
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  Speaker 1: and I have conversations that put a new spin on pretty.
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  Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. Caroline Stanbury is a Bravo TV star,
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  Speaker 1: podcast host, entrepreneur, wife, mother of three, and philanthropist. Her
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  Speaker 1: website says, I am high maintenance, but I maintain myself.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of think that line sums her up. She's got
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  Speaker 1: great taste and great confidence. Caroline's known for her quick wit,
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  Speaker 1: zest for life, and British candor. We came to know
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  Speaker 1: her as the breakout star of Ladies of London in
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. She was married, had three kids, and following
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  Speaker 1: a job offer her husband received in twenty sixteen, she
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  Speaker 1: moved to Dubai. After seventeen years of marriage, she and
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  Speaker 1: her husband divorced. It was then she started her hugely
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  Speaker 1: successful podcast, Divorce Not Dead. Soon after, she met and
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  Speaker 1: married Spanish footballer Sergio Carlo, twenty years her junior. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I would normally never mention their age difference, but I
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  Speaker 1: did because it's been a huge storyline on her new
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  Speaker 1: TV show, Real Housewives of Dubai It's really fun to
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  Speaker 1: hear about their relationship and see what she calls big love.
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  Speaker 1: Caroline lives unapologetically. She says she's manifested this life and
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  Speaker 1: shares how she even gives me some dating advice. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm blushing saying that right now. This episode is really fun.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to hear from Caroline Stanbury
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  Speaker 1: and how she's determined to live life to its fullest potential.
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  Speaker 1: So today we have Caroline Stanbury here and we met
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  Speaker 1: because we did a quick interview for E while you
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  Speaker 1: were streaming. And when we did the interview, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my friends texted me and they said, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: love Caroline because we posted and I said, what do
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  Speaker 1: you love? And they said, she just does whatever the
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  Speaker 1: fuck she wants. Other people said she lives life on
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  Speaker 1: her own terms. Other people said she's created the life
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  Speaker 1: that she's living. There's this undercurrent of you being the
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  Speaker 1: master of your own destiny that I was hearing from people.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have that as a young person.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think from boarding school, probably lying in my room
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  Speaker 3: by myself, picturing what my life would be. I watched
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  Speaker 3: a lot of movies, you know, Hollywood movies, you know
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  Speaker 3: Tom Cruise walking into the bar and sweeping her off
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  Speaker 3: the I wanted to create that life.
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  Speaker 1: And you say that life, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: That sort of romantic, ridiculous life that's sort of like
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  Speaker 3: a movie. And I can't tell you I'm living the life.
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  Speaker 3: I remember at the end of my marriage, I was lying.
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  Speaker 3: I used to lie in bed and sort of go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is this it? Not because my life was shit,
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  Speaker 3: but just because, like you know, marriage is after that
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  Speaker 3: length of time, you just do do that sometimes, and
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  Speaker 3: we've lost the art of communication. And I never understood
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  Speaker 3: what that meant when people say the loneliest you can
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  Speaker 3: feels like sometimes lying next to your partner. And I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking to myself. I used to like dream of
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  Speaker 3: this white, white house or glass and this hot guy
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  Speaker 3: topless of course there's blue jeans cooking for me. And
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  Speaker 3: within the year a bloody had it. I had this
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  Speaker 3: all glass house, which you guys will see on housewives,
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  Speaker 3: and I had this hot, hunky ex athlete who loves
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  Speaker 3: to take care of me, who sweeps me off my
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  Speaker 3: feet all the time, sometimes much to my annoyance. But
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  Speaker 3: I asked myself, where the fuck that came from how
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  Speaker 3: how like I've never been to Newport Beach before I
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  Speaker 3: found Sergio, brought him home with me somehow, he stays,
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  Speaker 3: we live this crazy life. So I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: tell you girls that this doesn't exist. It bloody does
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  Speaker 3: how I visualized it?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I do feel like it's a lot to do the
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  Speaker 3: subconscious and just reprogramming, because if you ever have a wobble, girls,
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  Speaker 3: and the one thing I've said many times is to
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  Speaker 3: not listen to that part of your brain. Very important.
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  Speaker 3: I helicopter myself. I really really do do this. I
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  Speaker 3: lie down, helicopter myself from above and listen to the
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  Speaker 3: negative thoughts, and then I close a virtual door in
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  Speaker 3: my head and I go, can't listen to those, because
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  Speaker 3: if I listen to those, I won't get back up
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  Speaker 3: and I won't do anything. And I go forward and
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  Speaker 3: I go, fuck it. And it's that amazing saying, but
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  Speaker 3: what if it goes wrong? And then you go, but
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  Speaker 3: what if it goes right? And then the risk of
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  Speaker 3: it going or the reward for it going right, would
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  Speaker 3: be so much better than the well, you know, what
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  Speaker 3: if it's wrong or wrong? What's the worst that happens,
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  Speaker 3: I start again, I go through another door. But if
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  Speaker 3: I didn't try, that's so much scarier than not doing anything.
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  Speaker 1: So when you say we live this life, you do.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can see that it's not just Instagram,
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  Speaker 3: that it's all year round. It's not just when the
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  Speaker 3: show cameras come you can go.
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  Speaker 1: It is and I'm here now seeing it in person.
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  Speaker 1: Big love, big life, lots of travel, great clothes, solid relationship.
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  Speaker 1: And I think people who don't know you really well
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  Speaker 1: would say, well, okay, she manifested that, but like she
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  Speaker 1: probably came from wealth or so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: Yet's not the case, and I don't think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people know that. Can you take me back to
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  Speaker 1: eighteen year old Caroline and kind of give me your trajectory?
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, I did come from wealth. I come from
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  Speaker 3: a good wealthy family. I was the last in the generation.
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  Speaker 3: My father lost all his money when we were growing up, really.
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  Speaker 2: And along with that whent to a lot of his friends.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I learned from you know, I grew
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  Speaker 3: up with Butler's and these ridiculous houses and more than
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  Speaker 3: my brothers and sisters did, because by the time of
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  Speaker 3: the end of it. You know, that's when my dad
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  Speaker 3: had lost his money, and actually losing his money was
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  Speaker 3: the best thing I think that ever happened to us
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  Speaker 3: as a family, because it's sort of you know, you
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  Speaker 3: hunker down more, you understand who your real friends are,
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  Speaker 3: and you understand that really you're on your own.
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  Speaker 2: You're on your own to fix it. Right.
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  Speaker 3: People are always there for the good times, they're not
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  Speaker 3: so great at their being at the bad times. So
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  Speaker 3: when I was eighteen, I inherited enough to get my
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  Speaker 3: own apartment, which I did, we all did, my brothers
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  Speaker 3: and sisters, which is, by the way, an amazing start
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  Speaker 3: to anybody's life. I completely don't you know, I get
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  Speaker 3: that on any level. It's a really good kickstart. I
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  Speaker 3: had a beautiful car and a great apartment, but that
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  Speaker 3: was it. I had to pay all the bills for it.
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  Speaker 3: So from then on in or is on my own.
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  Speaker 3: So what I did with it, or how I multiplied it,
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  Speaker 3: or how I earned my money from there, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because I had a nice house, I still to pay
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  Speaker 3: all the bills and figure out how I was going
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  Speaker 3: to do that right, And I'm so grateful for that
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  Speaker 3: because I could start off my job and choose a
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  Speaker 3: great job. I could choose the job I really wanted,
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  Speaker 3: but since then, I never had anything else. And I
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  Speaker 3: think there's this whole thing that you know, I live
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  Speaker 3: off this giant trust fund, which I simply don't and
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  Speaker 3: I find it quite demeaning because I have built such
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  Speaker 3: an amazing life for myself, which is way bigger than
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  Speaker 3: my first apartment, I can assure you. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: I bought a beautiful house with my ex husband, and
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  Speaker 3: you know contributed to that, and you know, I really
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  Speaker 3: contribute to my life. And that's why I can afford
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  Speaker 3: to have a husband now like Sergio. Not because I
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  Speaker 3: need to pay for him. I do not, but I
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  Speaker 3: can afford to choose love.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm twenty years older than Sergio. So I'm not expecting
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  Speaker 3: Sergio to have the same money as I do in
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  Speaker 3: the bank. I am not, but I am expecting him
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  Speaker 3: to do his thing, and he does. Actually, Sergio gave
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  Speaker 3: me the biggest birthday present this year that I've ever
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  Speaker 3: had from any He paid for all my furniture for
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  Speaker 3: all my new house, and I have very expensive taste.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't quite believe it, but you know, let them
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  Speaker 3: underestimate him.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: My point is I think that you know, I built
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  Speaker 3: every step of the way my life, and the clothes,
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  Speaker 3: the house, everything is something that I've worked for.
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  Speaker 2: It's not something that's been just given. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I had an eight year court case, so almost went
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  Speaker 3: bankrupt two years ago. I was a year and a
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  Speaker 3: year and a bit ago now, spent my forty six
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  Speaker 3: birthday in court.
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  Speaker 2: And it was between me or him. But I won everything.
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  Speaker 3: But I started again, and I was like, I'd sold
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  Speaker 3: my jewelry, sold art, everything, because you know, on a Friday,
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  Speaker 3: I would get a bill for one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: thousand pounds or whatever, and I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: why am I working? So then I just stopped working.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I'm not gonna work, so I can give
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  Speaker 3: it to a lawyer. And then you know, here I am,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm becoming the more successful than I ever have ever.
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  Speaker 3: And so my point is, ladies, that we can all
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  Speaker 3: do it if you don't give up. I could have
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  Speaker 3: given up in that court case. Many times. I would
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  Speaker 3: have liked to have given up. Everyone told me to settle.
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  Speaker 3: I would have given my children's inheritance away to that man,
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  Speaker 3: just to get him out of my life. And then
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  Speaker 3: I thought, no, I'm not fucking gonna go do that.
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather go bankrupt. I'd rather go bankrupt, have nothing,
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  Speaker 3: start again, rebuild it for my kids, for fresh and
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  Speaker 3: you know know that I'm right and I won. So
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  Speaker 3: there you go. And I think that we give up
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  Speaker 3: too easily. We're bullied today into submission and to be
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  Speaker 3: told that you know we're wrong or you know, to
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  Speaker 3: do the right thing. What is the right thing? There
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  Speaker 3: is no right thing. You internally have a gut.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So you told me during your podcast that you
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  Speaker 1: had a gifting company. Yes, So what did it tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that? And was that your first career. No.
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  Speaker 3: I started as a personal shop at a very rich
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  Speaker 3: girls as she came to New York for a little
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  Speaker 3: bit and started it because I couldn't really have a
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  Speaker 3: job here, so I was doing it on the side.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: So you always had good taste.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's instilled. I don't think you can by that.
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  Speaker 3: My father was in fashion before, my mother was very
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  Speaker 3: very glamorous, So I think I always had taste. I
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  Speaker 3: always want like the finer things. But I started off
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  Speaker 3: shopping for like i'd meet well, that's how it happened.
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  Speaker 3: I'd be at dinner and women would come up to
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  Speaker 3: be going, oh my god, where did you get that
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  Speaker 3: top or where did you get those earrings? And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I got them here, but I could get
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  Speaker 3: them for you.
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  Speaker 2: I can get them for you.
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  Speaker 3: And then I built a business out of shopping for
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  Speaker 3: people that were already in you know, like they maybe
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  Speaker 3: they were working at a massive bank, right, so they
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  Speaker 3: made a lot of money. They were cash rich, time poor.
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  Speaker 3: So I built my business from that, and then the
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  Speaker 3: gifting company came because I already had their attention right,
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  Speaker 3: their trust and their trust. But then they didn't have
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  Speaker 3: they had kids, so they had Christmases, birthdays. Genius thing
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  Speaker 3: about gifting companies, by the way, is that there's no size,
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  Speaker 3: there's no season, so you know, you're not left with
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  Speaker 3: unwanted stock. I never wanted to go into fashion because
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  Speaker 3: it was such a pain, you know, shopping for your
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  Speaker 3: clothes and making you look pretty. He was great for
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  Speaker 3: one person, but I didn't want to hold stock of that.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the idea anyway.
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  Speaker 1: And then when did you meet your first husband?
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  Speaker 3: I met my first husband when I was twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: I think or twenty five, and I had been in
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  Speaker 3: a six year relationship before your relationship. I was always
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  Speaker 3: a sort of serial data and I'd just come out
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  Speaker 3: of a ridiculous relationship with a ridiculous soccer player.
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  Speaker 1: And I think there's a theme in your life.
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  Speaker 2: I know, not intentionally.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, if you'd told me, I had no idea this
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  Speaker 3: one was a soccer player and he you know, look, girls,
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  Speaker 3: he was in the under twenty one. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: anyone's gonna remember. It's not like I walk into a
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  Speaker 3: room and everyone goes, oh my god. I'm like, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: he was in the under twenty one. But anyway, yes,
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  Speaker 3: my very young husband. So you met your first.
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  Speaker 1: Husband, and what was it that felt like? This was it?
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  Speaker 2: At the time.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'd come out of a few bad relationships,
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  Speaker 3: like I got really hurt in the one before, and
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  Speaker 3: I was just on this sort of path of destruction.
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  Speaker 3: I was the girl that used to drive pas Us
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  Speaker 3: late night past his house and see if the light
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  Speaker 3: was on, you know, and like I really was that
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  Speaker 3: pathetic human being.
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  Speaker 2: But you're in that sort of desperate pace.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone has a moment and the oh my.
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  Speaker 2: God, ridiculous, ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, now I look at myself and
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  Speaker 3: I'm alway look at him because you know, and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: oh God, thank god I'm not married to him. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have lasted. But anyway, I think we all have to
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  Speaker 3: go through that phase. I think it's a really important
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  Speaker 3: phase because I think once you've had your heart broken
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  Speaker 3: like that, you never really have that again. And I
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: was on a lunch moaning about that one and in
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  Speaker 3: walked Jem. Yeah, it was just sort of like he
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  Speaker 3: was on the next door table, and I think it
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  Speaker 3: was just a whirl from there.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 3: I you know, my girlfriend dropped her jacket and then
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  Speaker 3: he picked it up and came to speak to us.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, we ended up on our first date.
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  Speaker 3: And you have three children, we do. Did you always
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  Speaker 3: know you wanted to be a mom?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: I mean yes, but no I think I did. That's
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  Speaker 3: another thing and this doesn't you know, obviously, what three
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  Speaker 3: beautiful children. So I don't want to belittle their existence,
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  Speaker 3: but it's again something very societal. I did want kids,
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  Speaker 3: I always wanted kids, but I think that the timeline
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  Speaker 3: of children that is pushed upon you is so ridiculous,
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  Speaker 3: which I will make sure my daughter doesn't do. Not
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  Speaker 3: because I don't want children. I don't love. I love
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  Speaker 3: that they're sixteen and twelve now because we have so
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  Speaker 3: much fun together. But actually, when you're building your twenties
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  Speaker 3: and you're building your life, you actually don't really need babies.
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  Speaker 3: On top of that, like a baby is a full time,
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  Speaker 3: bloody job and very stressful in any relationship. I believe
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  Speaker 3: in marriage you should keep marriage a bit later twenty eight,
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  Speaker 3: twenty nine, thirty thirty five to thirty five, forty even
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  Speaker 3: all the way up there, spend some time alone. Why
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  Speaker 3: from the moment you get married you need to push
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  Speaker 3: a baby out, which adds more layers to a marriage
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  Speaker 3: where you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Even like, you haven't even got to like.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing that Sergio and I really really enjoy
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  Speaker 3: now is alone time. We love being with the kids,
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  Speaker 3: but then off we go and do traveling together and
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  Speaker 3: crazy shit together, and it's so important, and you miss
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  Speaker 3: all that.
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  Speaker 1: I have a really hard question for you. Go on,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure many people but you could answer it.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people I admire have beautiful second marriages, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And I look at them and I think, is it
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  Speaker 1: possible to have that big love that you've the kind
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  Speaker 1: that you've found with Sergio first time the first time
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  Speaker 1: around with kids, because kids seem like the stressor.
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  Speaker 3: I call them the killer of passion. It's very, very difficult.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very interesting question actually, because I always say that.
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  Speaker 2: I was the same as you in my marriage.
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  Speaker 3: I was looking at second marriages and they were all
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  Speaker 3: over each other and like, so beautiful the relationship, And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, she really chose him. She knew who
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  Speaker 3: she was and she chose him. So that's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: saying to you. Could you get it first time round?
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  Speaker 3: That you could because you're thirty one years old, because
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  Speaker 3: you by now know who you are, You've done your dating,
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  Speaker 3: You've tried on, you know, different shoes. Would you buy
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  Speaker 3: the first pair of shoes you tried on?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: You know, so all of these men in your life
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  Speaker 3: have prepared you and you now know exactly what you want.
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  Speaker 3: As long as you don't become one of those single
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  Speaker 3: women that's like, nobody's good enough for me. He has
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  Speaker 3: to be this, he has to be that. No, that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't work. And that's a lot of times why women
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  Speaker 3: remain single. But as long as you go in like
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  Speaker 3: you know by the time you get around to it,
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  Speaker 3: I think yes, because it's all about you knowing you,
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  Speaker 3: whereas I think in your twenties you're just it's literally
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  Speaker 3: like musical chairs. You just want to grab one before
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  Speaker 3: it's taken away from you, and I think you need
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  Speaker 3: to know the difference.
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  Speaker 1: That's such a good analogy. Do you feel like there
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  Speaker 1: are any things that you have implemented in your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Sergio that maybe even you learned from the first
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  Speaker 1: time around, that really have made you successful this time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we talk talk, talk, even about the uncomfortable things,
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  Speaker 3: even the you know what I told you, the pre
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  Speaker 3: marriage agreements for both of us very important because you
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: both know where you stand, no matter how uncomfortable it
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: is for a minute, you both know where you stand
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: and getting those uncomfortable conversations in any which way, and
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: then also having fun like we we talk about sex
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: a lot, and you know, we make sure that even
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: if I mean I'm lazy, you know I have three kids.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: You get tired. You're like, eh, it can't be bothered, and.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: It's true, but you know, he always keeps it going
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: and fresh, and he's just funny, and so we talk
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: about stuff and we laugh about it. That's the most
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: It's not serious girls, it's funny. They do say you
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: have the best sex in your life after forty Gotta
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: be honest, it's happening.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Congratulation, Thank you, so fun thanks.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Because also you're not embarrassed. I think when you're young,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: you're embarrassed to say what you want. So many girls
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: just lie there and go, yeah, that was great, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: they don't want to tell the guy it's not right
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: or it's wrong or whatever. So communication, communication, communication, communication.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Was your mom really empowered? Like you're really comfortable. Even
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: saw it on the show the first episode of Housewives
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of Dubai. You don't mind if somebody doesn't like you,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: You don't mind saying the thing that no one else
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: in the room wants to say.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: No, I think that's just again maybe a boarding school thing.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I've just when you go to school with three hundred
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and fifty girls, there's going to be a lot of
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: people that don't like you, you know, and you have
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: to see them every single day. So no, I've I'm
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: used to everybody talked about everybody, so I'm very strong
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I know some people like me, and.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I know some people really don't. I'm very immune to it.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: It doesn't really shake me anymore. I think that's an
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: age thing too, because you know, you can't sweat the
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: stuff you can change, you know what I mean, like
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: the things that you can really work on. I can't
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: change what Joe blogs over there thinks about me, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to go and persuade them. You know
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: you do you don't you attracted to someone that's okay,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe you know somebody else is your cup of tea?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Go figure that out.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I know who I am deep down, I know what
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: my intentions come from. I know exactly what I want.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: So if you're comfortable with that, and you're doing right
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: by you and your intentions are good, I don't think
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: anyone can shake you down.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Really. In dating a lot, I think about wants versus needs,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and there are things I want in a relationship versus
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: things deep down I know I need in a relationship. Explain,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: for instance, I know that I need certainty and stability,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and not in the sense of okay, there're.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Two different things. Certainty you're never going to get, so
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: you need to take that out. Stability is that's that's consistency.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's a feeling. Yeah, but they're very different words.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: You see, when you put those words.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: In front of you, you know you've just said you
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: need Okay, you don't really need them. You'd quite like them,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: but you don't need them.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So that's in the want category. You think okay, and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it's you're.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Telling yourself that certainty is a very funny way. You
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: are never going to get certainty. You could marry the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: man tomorrow and he could leave you the next day.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: You are never going to get certainty with anything, with
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: a job, with a lover, with finance, it's anything, okay.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: That is something that we all would strive to have.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Love. I'd love to know that I'm certain, you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: for certain my bank balance is going to be amazing
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: for the rest of my life.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. And i'd love to know that
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a job for the rest of
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: my life. I don't know. I'd love to know that,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you know, Sergia will be here for the rest of
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: my life. I don't know. That's already giving me anxiety
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: because you're never going to get that. It's something you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: will know a achieve, So take that off.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: So clarity instead of clarity is a much nice as
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a word.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, Consistency is a lovely word because you can both
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: work at that right. The other ones a scary word. Yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: very scary word. So throw that one away and you
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: can already you know, lighten your load.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: That's good. Okay. How about I really like your dating advice.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: How about like, Okay, Sergio, for instance, has he has swag.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: He's got like a cool factor. A lot of times,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I think guys that have a certain swag about them
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: are also kind of cheated cheater that is reconcile that one.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: First of all, Surgio would have to be one of
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: those what do you call it, like those guys that
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: can turn himself into a blob and move because he's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: always with me. Unless that woman is in bed with us,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it's not happening.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I also don't mean that it's Sergio.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, it's it's a type.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was the first to say there is
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: no way that man's going to keep his dick in
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: his pants, especially looking the way he is. But I
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: think it actually had the adverse thing because he had
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: so much swag and because he played at Real Madrid,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: and I think having the smart, fast cars and the
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you know, turning up at the thing, and he had
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: so much sex as a younger guy. I think now
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm just done. I just want a woman,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: you know, I want one, I want the family, I
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: want this. And it was just timing with men ites timing.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I always say this.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Every player calms down, every player gets married, they just do.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: It's just it's the woman that they stop for. But
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I do think that young girls make this huge mistake,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: always looking to see if their man is cheating. I've
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: never picked up Sergio's phone, even if I did pick
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: up his phone, which I haven't, I don't know his code,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and he tells me his code every bloody day, every day,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: but I have the world's worst memory and I can't
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: remember it. So I would be terrible at shaking him
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: down to find out. And I don't look, and he
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't ask me. He's just not that guy.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You have a real trust and intuition you can tell.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, whether that changes over years, who knows. But
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: right now there is there is nothing and no one
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: that could take his attention from me, No one that's
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: so wonderful mhm, because he doesn't look. It's not about
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the way I look, you know, it's about everything that
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: comes with me. And he just won't risk that for
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: what for sex? No, what comes with you. He loves
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: the family weirdly. He loves having the kids. He loves
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the dogs, he loves the house. He loves the crazy
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: by the house. I mean the crazy in my house,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: like the warmth, the fun.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We always talk about it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine where he would be now, like probably
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: in a a very chic little apartment by himself.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: And he's like, it'd be awful.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: We have no privacy, Like our kids come running into
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the bedroom every night we have to sleep.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It's we have a lizard in the bed.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Like the other night he came to bed and he's like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: is that a lizard shit my side of the bed
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh my god. He goes, you can't
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: even make this shit up. He's like, You've ruined me, Like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: how could I date anyone else? He's like, if the
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: lizard's not shitting in the bed and the dogs at
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the end, the kids are here, He's just he loves it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: He loves it. He would go crazy now being in
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a normal household.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Do you guys talk about more kids at all?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, and we have a little boy on ice, you do, Yeah,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: we do. We have a little surgery on ice, but
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: we're going for one more.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: We want. He wants a little girl.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: That is so exciting.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very cute.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Does that feel scary to you at all? No?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I think when you're in the right person, you know
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: it's not scary. You know, it's natural. If it wasn't, Sergio,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be rushing to have a baby, gotta be honest.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: And I think people have tried to blow that up, like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: oh my god, she doesn't really want to have a baby.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that. I said I have three. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: don't have that like overwhelming desire. You know, I have
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: to have IVF. It's not like I get pregnant very easily,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: So I don't have this overwhelming desire to have more children.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: You know, my kids definitely aren't excited about it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: So you know it's.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Something he deserves, he should have, and he will have.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And you feel like the children aspect won't change your
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: relationship or will change it in a in a beautiful way,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: an intimate way.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I think You're also taught by society that once you
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: have one, it's unfair to have one. You ever done
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: another one because they have their friend. And then you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: then you're pushed into one, two, three, and then I
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: think you just your you're knee deep and shit, nappyes.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: You know all of these things Nanni's and I think
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that's changed. Would I do I need a full time
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: maternity nurse this time around?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I think Sergia would be much more hands on father
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: than you know. Maybe I was a mother, and like
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you know, he's very loving, he loves to do it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: All we have in Dubai. We have help that isn't
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Cost as over here that live with us anyway, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I think I would be much cooler. I don't have
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a massive business, so I can help easily. We have
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: my parents and grandparents now they're much more relaxed. His
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: parents are around. I don't see one being an issue
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: for us because and I don't think it change would
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: change our lives, as in we could still travel the
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: same way. You know, I have no problem leaving a baby.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I know that sounds awful to other people, but I
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: just don't remember anything as a child like a tiny
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: child that I don't think if they're left with a
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: grandparent that you shouldn't be able to travel and continue
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: your life. So no, we've already got the stress as
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: much as anything. You know, Sergio and I get to
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: have our time alone. But you know, when my kids
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: are home, we can't even sleep with the door shut.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: My children do not think we have sex on any level.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: If he's in the shower, I'm in the bed, they
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: don't give it a shit. They just run in and
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: out at one the morning, two in the morning. They
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: you know, they have absolutely no respect for our personal space.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: So I can't imagine any more stress than it brings
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: us already. But we actually are at a car't place
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: where we're so comfortable with ourselves we just laugh. It's funny,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely funny. He's like, what do they not, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: think of us as sexual beings at all. I'm like, no,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: my son couldn't understand why he gets to sleep there.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: He was like, can't SURGI your sleep in my so
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I can sleep with you, mummy. It's unfair that he
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: sleeps there every night when he can sleep next door
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: with Arrow.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not sure that works.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: But Okay, at the beginning, you talked about manifestation when
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you are thinking about things, Now, what do you want
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: your life to look like in ten years? Because I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: feel like you're almost like just hitting your stride.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've just started. Yeah, ten years.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: So Sergio and I we visualize houses all the time
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: in the US. So we've picked our holiday home, we've
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: picked a US home, we've picked the businesses that we're running,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: and we're starting, you know, very excited about right now
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: that we're working on together. So I think we would
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: get another house in America together somewhere. And I think
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: we want to build a retirement home together too. It's
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: all on our vision board where we want to retire.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: We would like to be somewhere where it was no
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: you know, like literally him and I in the middle
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: of nowhere, like on a mountain in Bali, somewhere like crazy.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Like we absolutely both see this where we will end
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: up no shoes, like a beach bar, somewhere where people
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: can come see us. So we're not always by ourselves,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: but like literally giving up all of this life and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: moving somewhere crazy together. And he sees it too, So
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: it's great, I mean funny enough. He's the one that
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: likes not to go out. If I ever say we're
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: going for dinner with friends, He's like, oh, can't we
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: just go the two of us? He's golden, he's happy
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: just me and him in our little bubble. And I'm
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: always the one, always the one that pushes him to
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: see people.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: When I think a lot of particularly people that listen
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to Pretty Smart, are really interested in building a business
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and starting their own brand. I think you've done that
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: really successfully multiple times. What is the best advice you
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: have to a thirty year old woman that's trying to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: figure it out and make it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Pick an idea and stick to it. Don't be rigid
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: in it because a business has a life of its own.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: It never is the straight line that you've planned. So
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: you have to be flexible. You have to be to
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: roll with it, think on your toes, and don't let
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: anyone tell you your business more than you. Once you have
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: a business that begins to roll, you'll get a lot
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: of people that come to offer their advice and tell
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: you they can do it better, and it's bullshit. The
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: only person that can run a business that started a
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: business from scratches you. No one knows the ins and
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: outs of it like you do. And I think you
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: know when you're young it's very hard because there isn't
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: a rule book and every business is different, so you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: kind of believe other people and you go, Okay, maybe
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I do need that, and now I do need that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: But you really do instinctively know what you need, so
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: stick to your guns. And I think the hardest part
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: about starting a business is literally step one.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Take the fucking step, Stop talking about it and just
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: start it. Because if you have a good idea, money
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: always comes. Money always comes. You can find money for
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a good idea.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I always do a little rapid fire at the end. Oh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: what is some great advice that your dad gave you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that you think about? His voice in your head? Say
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: yes to everything because you know know where it will lead.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Is there a book that you've read that you think
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: everybody should read, something that's changed your life?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: The Art of Not Giving a Fuck.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: That's also the title of Like your Own Memoir.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: It seems coming.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, pretty smart. Question question everything time.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: When was the last time you felt rejected?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Gosh, well probably on Housewives?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Did you buy Yeah, because some of the girls just
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: never liked me from day one, and that's quite hard
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: when you, you know, have to go to work with people.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is although as a fan like watching the show.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's great TV. I know, I.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Know, but it's pretty clear why. Like I think everybody's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: people on Twitter must be Team Caroline.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Now, you know what I don't read. I try not
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: to read them. Isn't that interesting? I just don't. Yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I just try not to get too into it because
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I think you go crazy and you just never come
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: off it. Okay, what do you know for sure? Well,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: everybody dies, but not everybody lives. Well that's a good one. No,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: not everybody lives. Make sure you do in between.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, one more.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: What parts of yourself do you feel most proud of? Oh?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean my children probably they're a part of
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: myself because they're amazing and they're so proper little people. Now,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I sort of, you know, I'm such a distant I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: don't know because I'm British, you know, I'm so it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: so funny the way I speak about my children. But
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I you know, they're just proper little people and they
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: come to me the funniest things now, and they're sort
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: of so independent and I just can't really believe I
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: produced them.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: There's like a book, a parenting book called Raising Beabe.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It's a French book. She is an American woman who
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: married a french Man, and she wrote a book about
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: how the French raise their children. Maybe it's more European
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: where it's the parents first and then the kids, yes,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And then in America everybody puts the kids first and then,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and so it sounds like it's more of a yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Well, the British we kind of yeah, the British children
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: were sort of brought up the scene and not her.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: So I think, you know, I'm trying to undo what
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I was done to me. You know, I'm a much
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: more cuddly parent than my parents were because I wasn't
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: at home.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But my kids live with me.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm still not that as tactile, as amazing as
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I should be. I am quite good with them now,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: but I also talk to them like little adults and
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: we have very funny conversations and they're just hilarious. My
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: boys just crack me up all the time with the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: stuff that comes out of their mouths.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: What is one thing everybody has to do in Dubai, hm,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: somewhere that they have to eat or something they have
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to try.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to go and see the bush Khlifer.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Really you have to go and see that. I mean
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: think it's pretty impressive to see. Or if you can
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: get to the top and the elevator, Yeah, that's amazing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: The world's tallest building.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: The smartest decision you've ever.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Made, moving to Dubai.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Why did you move to Dubai?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: My ex husband, To be honest, his work took him there,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: so I went. But I mean I could have said, no, wow.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: He still is there.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, still there, he's down the road.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you. You are even warmer than I expected. But
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I really like you, Caroline.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Love you to be on your podcast. I
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: wish you the best, and I hope mister Wright does
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: come into your life.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I'll call you when he does.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, please do all right.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Today is a good day. To have a good day.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.