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Talks to Andrew Batty, Luke Sims-Jenkins & Jon Arnold about their choice of The Invisible Enemy 2/4 · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing.
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  Quicker, quicker. Hello everyone and welcome back
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  to which hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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  Shit, I'm used to the book one. I'm watching Doctor Who today.
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  I can't believe. It's so funny now.
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  Is it after episode? The joke's on me.
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  Yes. My name is Luke Sims Jenkins.
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  And with me, Joe Ford. Say hello, Joe.
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  Hello there, Contact has been made no.
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  Contact has been made. John Arnold.
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  Hello, contact has been made. Contact has been made.
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  Yes, you have to say that every time.
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  And Andrew? Contact has been made.
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  He's not sure about it, you know?
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  Contact has been made. He's only been.
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  Half violated by the nucleus. That's right, and after the
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  action-packed fun first episode with the awesome cliffhanger of
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  the Doctor about to shoot Leela in the back, we're starting at
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  episode 2. Yeah, so let's do it, shall we?
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  Shall we just get straight into it?
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  Yeah, let's go. I'm, I'm, I'm pumped because I
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  always forget. No matter how many times I watch
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  The Invisible Enemy, I always forget that episode 1 doesn't
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  even have bloody canine in it. And I want to talk about canine
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  already. So I guess, does anyone want to
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  count us down? I do, if you don't mind how
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  naughty I am on these ones and how less naughty I.
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  Am on the book. Clubs, I'm so sorry everybody.
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  You just said you were pumps. In 54321 off we go.
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  Diddly dumb. Diddly dumb.
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  We're still just watching the title sequence now.
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  It's all Luke's. Now Luke's got to ask the
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  question. I'm literally doing nothing in
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  this episode. Put my feet out.
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  Is this anyone's favorite title sequence?
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  By the way, I'm. I'm an 80s kid so no.
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  Yeah. Heartnell is my favorite because
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  I just think it's for the time. It's super weird and freaky.
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  I love it. Yeah, I think I'm the same,
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  Heartnell. Yeah, I'm Peter Howell all the
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  way as well, so I'm on. And then I'm Cath McCulloch, so
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  I'm weird. Why'd you imagine that their
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  hands go hairy when the nucleus takes them over like that?
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  Well, have you ever heard about? You know how you get hairy
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  palms, right? Wanking.
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  Yeah. Hairy palms.
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  Oh no. Please contact has been made.
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  Joe. This is going to just be an
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  episode of Oh You're. Being served with Andrew rolling
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  his eyes in it. Look, he tried to shoot her
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  there. That's Tom going No, please let
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  me just get. One shot of her.
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  Were they getting on at this point?
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  Did they have it? On I'm not sure was the Sun make
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  makers made before this or after.
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  After I'm pretty sure. Yeah, because they're separated
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  almost the entire story, almost as if they like they're not
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  going on. But maybe I'm just reading too
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  much into that. And actually, the way it skips
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  from this setting to the next, obviously he's he's in a bit
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  above her, biologically speaking.
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  And so she takes him to a hospital.
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  It makes perfect sense getting from there to there.
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  It's when we go from there to in his head.
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  That's when I did a bit more explanation perhaps.
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  Quite a few passing thoughts going between Bob and David,
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  that's for sure. That's a great line though,
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  isn't it? Yeah, to be honest, I'd love to
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  sit. I'd love to be a family on the
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  wall by those two just bounced ideas off each other.
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  What crazy shit are we going to do this time?
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  I reckon they base the story. I reckon this is what how they
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  base the story. I have.
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  No, I don't know if this is true, but I reckon this is my
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  theory. They sit in the room, they look
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  at each other and they go. They just throw catch phrases at
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  each other and they and then when one sticks, they build a
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  story around it. That's my theory, I'm sticking
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  to it. I reckon they've got like 100
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  ideas in a bag and they just pull out 10 ideas and go right.
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  How can we get all these into one script?
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  That sounds Big finishy. That's the big finish idea.
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  It's better. To have too many ideas and too
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  little, right? Oh, they're fine.
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  I like how Michael Shields now the the leader of the, you know,
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  the infected people, but his scales are still aren't as big
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  as the other dude. No, I reckon Saffron's got look
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  at his hands on his hips, going like I'm more infected than you
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  are. Come on, why are you in charge?
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  I love Michael Shears massive camp goggles that he wears.
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  Now to cover. Up that he's been.
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  I mean, this is super camp, this story isn't.
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  It let's be honest. By the end of the.
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  Story Laila's in. One of those green outfits
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  putting Lippy on going. Yeah, that'll do.
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  I love that look at the glasses and the mustache.
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  I I do kind of love how Leela trusts him though, and still
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  trusts him because it does take advantage of naivety.
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  So it's kind it's nice bit of writing on the character.
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  I don't know, I think this story treats her like she's a bit
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  stupid. Later on, yes.
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  Yeah, I feel like when we've had Leela in like Robots of Death
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  and like Horror of Bang Rock, where she's like super smart,
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  not taking shit from anyone. And then in this one, she's back
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  to being sort of a bit like childlike and naive.
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  And she keep, they keep calling her a savage.
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  And it feels like a little bit of a backward step for the
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  character. When I watched her in the Sun
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  Makers in preparation for the Strictly, I was so impressed
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  with how one she. Was there's just got damage on
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  it already? A Well, yes, nevermind.
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  It's a nice idea though, right? The hospital inside the
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  asteroid. Yeah, it's like it's.
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  Neelis just piloted the TARDIS. That's true, I don't only have
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  one teeth. So you're laughing.
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  As well look as she's just on the sofa at the back with her
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  legs out. Yeah.
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  Just flipping through like what Hospital magazine?
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  Space Weekly, Yeah. That's going to town on Extras
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  by this stand. Take care.
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  Of him now, won't you? I'll be all right here.
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  Bless him. I mean, what's this like a dumb
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  waiter that sends him down to the.
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  Operation. Incinerate him.
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  That looks like the thing for me.
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  I can space where they're where they're all in the suspended.
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  I don't know, there's something like that in there, isn't?
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  It Hey, here comes the Cupric Oak.
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  Ireland. Wonderful, wonderful pretend
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  typing there. How does she type?
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  There's no way you could do a QWERTY keyboard with with with
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  the gloves on like that, no. If we all should all get
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  together at a Doctor Who convention, right?
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  Can I just ask that we all go in those green PVC costumes?
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  There's also the only only doctor here that was wearing
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  like a face mask as well and she's she's the reception lady.
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  And she's got sort of a sink there, have you noticed?
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  And it will sink next to her desk.
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  Tattoos. Bad thinking.
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  Just to wash her hands, yeah. Wash her hands and she's got the
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  mask on the the airborne stuff. She's, you know, she's ahead of
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  the time with COVID. Oh.
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  My God. This this dude Marius, He's
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  doing his best Salamander impersonation in this episode.
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  I feel like like. Every two minutes, something new
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  is going to happen in this story now that we're going to just
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  shout something out, you know? What do we all think about
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  Professor Marius's asset? It's a choice, right?
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  It's a choice. It's nothing with Kerensky,
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  isn't it? It's the same kind of choice of,
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  you know, Zaraf or salamander or something like that, you know,
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  those kinds of voices. It's very kids TV, isn't it?
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  It's CBBC now actually. Yeah, it's a code for your
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  eccentric scientist. Yeah, Oh, but canine?
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  Canine being a little bitch there.
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  Love him, do. You know what?
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  This is going to be heresy to say this, but you know when he
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  becomes a proper screaming queen in season 17, it's David
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  Brealey. I mean, he's even gayer then,
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  didn't he? But Professor is dead.
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  I. Can't stand the David Braley
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  came. It's it's just.
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  Wrong I think. Because.
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  Again, because I didn't see a David Brealey one until I was
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  like an adult. It was always John Neeson.
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  So they're not like when I saw that, I was like, what the fuck
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  is this? What is coming out of Canine's
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  mouth? This is this is wrong.
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  Don't. You sit there and pretend to me
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  that. You're an adult, Andrew Battle.
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  Come on now. Not when you're doing Doctor Who
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  book reviews on a monthly basis. Actually, that's a nice set as
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  well. Look at the thing on the ceiling
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  there. It's a bit like my Morp, isn't
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  it? And.
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  Yeah, I I love the image of the Doctor.
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  So the Doctor's head on that as well.
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  Yeah, Have they stolen that from Face of Evil?
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  Yeah, I was going to say it looks it.
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  Do you like it when the doctor waves up and goes?
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  Hello. OK.
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  Oh, there seems to be a suggestion right between that
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  there's a sort of a relationship between Professor Marius and
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  Parsons. And I don't mean a conjugal
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  relationship. I mean just a friendship because
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  he keeps going. Come along, Parsons and Parsons,
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  you know, be a good boy and all of this.
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  And then Parsons shot dead by the end of the episode and press
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  the Marius goes, Oh dear, that's it.
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  OK, there's just no time I'm. Afraid to worry about Parsons in
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  this story? It was more exciting this Indies
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  were about dug off. No, I mean, if I'd have said to
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  any of you, like, you know, do you all remember Parsons, just
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  the name, would any of you know what I was talking about?
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  I'm going to come for Shardon. Oh, well done.
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  Yeah, young Parsons. There's some other Parsons in
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  Doctor Who though, isn't there? There's Nicholas Parsons in the
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  coast of Frederick. There we go.
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  I was thinking of a question. Any Parsons in Mindwarp?
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  Is that the surname? Oh.
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  I don't know. It's riveting contact.
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  I love this. The Parsons Doctor.
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  I think. That on the book of lists.
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  Didn't the First Doctor throw a parser's nose at one point?
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  That's a line in Rain of Terror. That's.
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  It dude, we're about to get one of my favorite scenes in this
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  story. It's when it's when low seeing
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  the optometrist. Oh, look at the eye on the wall
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  as well. Now.
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  Oh my God, if. My hospital right had a massive
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  picture of an eye on the wall. I don't know exactly where I'm
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  going but they've got all these fucking coloured lines all over
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  the floor. I don't know where I'm going.
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  I reckon there's a rough draft of this where it's a dentist's
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  office and and the disease affected you by like going into
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  your mouth or something. And then they decided, no, that
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  wasn't too hysteria. No one would go to the dentist
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  or just make it the eyes. Luke, I was going to say, we
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  don't want kind of mouth borne diseases here, do we?
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  Come on, taking the potential of the story God think about, Tom
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  would play that up. I'm just.
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  I'm just. Going to like.
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  Think about kids for a second year.
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  That scene there where as an adult you're going, oh, come on,
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  he's going to get taken over as a child.
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  If you were like six or seven years old, you'd be going, Oh my
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  God, get away. He's going to turn around.
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  He's been infected. You know, like I do think they
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  are aiming this about a younger audience and I don't think it's
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  a problem really. As an adult though, when I see
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  that scene I think to myself, wow, I'd like to be able to
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  hypnotize my optometrist so he doesn't charge me a few $100 for
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  the paragraph. You know, on K9 there where he's
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  got like, the little WAVY lines going on his screen.
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  Like, do they only do the screen in this story?
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  Because I can't remember. Like yeah, because the.
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  Historic meeting between. Leela and K9.
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  And they're. Sort of bitchy with each other,
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  aren't? They.
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  No entry. Can I ask you guys a question
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  about later on, right when he sends K9 to shoot them in the
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  corridor and he goes through him, K9 Calle Lee and Lila goes
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  Calle Lee and he just goes he knows and I'm like what am I
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  missing? And that and that's strange.
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  I don't know. I can't remember it.
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  Never comes up again, does it? No.
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  Oh, OK. Well, it's later.
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  That story is, he explained in novelisation.
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  Does Uncle Terence even bother? I don't know.
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  Honestly, I don't know. I was hoping one of you fine
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  gentlemen would have been paying attention, but here we are.
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  No, you could have gotten 4 experts, 3 experts to be on this
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  but. Wouldn't have had.
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  As much fun. Though, no.
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  Just love K. Nine.
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  Yeah, he's awesome. Like but is canine for a younger
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  audience? Is it a mission statement?
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  I think so like you've got the the kind of, I know, quote UN
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  quote, gritty horror stuff from like the last couple seasons.
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  Talking dog is fun. That's that's all we restored.
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  Talking robot dogs are fun. You can't call it anything else
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  but fun. And you have you've made toys of
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  this guy. Absolutely.
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  It's a merchandising opportunity, too.
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  Everyone loves dogs, everyone loves robots, right?
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  They could have got it wrong in so many ways, couldn't they?
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  Like are. They will in the 80s.
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  Well, you know what Graham Williams said.
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  Like it cannot be big enough for a person to get into.
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  We want to, but imagine if they've done that right.
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  There's a dog like that in. Is it in the original Battlestar
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  Galactica? With a person.
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  In it with a person in. It was it the daggy or something
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  like that? Yeah.
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  Yeah, I like that pose that she had has he's like sitting up
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  like this. He's got this really awesome
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  pose and he's he's doing the contact has been made pose.
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  It's like, I've got this, everyone.
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  I can literally say I'm really sorry Andrew, but I can.
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  See Michael Shields Balls. Right now.
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  Fortunately, the subtitles are in the way for.
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  Me. I never would have looked if it
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  weren't for Andrew. All right?
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  Oh. My goodness.
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  I mean, I mean, look at the costumes that these nurses are
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  wearing. I just love future costumes and
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  dogs are here are the best things ever.
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  And every. That's where you get the
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  justification. Put all the stripes and stuff on
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  the space suits because the white costumes are so dull.
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  Yeah. The green stripes and cufflinks
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  bad. Pronto or green PVC I just need.
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  To do, but even like right, even with with K9 being a no wall
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  should have been so annoying. Like it's like the Wesley
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  Crusher of Doctor Who and yet it just works.
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  I don't know. Some magic occurred, didn't it?
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  Yeah, it's not a kid like Wesley Crusher was.
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  You know, if you see a kid your age on the starch benefit,
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  you're bastard. Well, no, and Tom Baker kicks
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  him every now to get to the stuff.
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  Doesn't mean no one ever kicked Wesley Crusher, unfortunately.
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  And King one's funny. Only when he was down.
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  Give some shit out. I mean, is this is this supposed
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  to be like? ER in space.
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  OK, now I can see Michael Shields balls, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
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  That's good bro. That's the football.
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  I've watched this show many times, and that's the first
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  time, yeah. Yeah, that's where Sophie
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  Orgreave gets him in. I mean, Michael, Michael Shield
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  is in great shape in this in this story.
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  Oh dude, he's ready for. It that costume is very figure
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  hug hugging and yeah, he's pulling it off.
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  You watched the Federation uniform a couple years later
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  too, yeah. I said to Mark going up the
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  stairs. Oh, I'm going to have the best
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  time tonight. I'm watching The Invisible Enemy
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  with Luke, John and Andrew. I've never, ever in a million
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  years thought we get onto Michael Sheed's balls.
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  I mean. Here we are.
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  Oh, now this is really super interesting, right?
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  This thing coming in, hitting the Because that's like a
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  terrorist attack, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  It's literally a terrorist attack.
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  It's like, it's like the plane's going into the twin towers or
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  something like that. They're deliberately trying.
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  Well, no. All right.
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  Yeah, I know, I know. Sorry.
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  Bad, bad analogy. But you know.
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  It's like the. IRA sending things into like
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  buildings or something like that, or like in other countries
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  where they they send vehicles and stuff and they blow them up
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  like that kind of stuff. Yeah, it feels like now we're
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  getting like disaster movie, like, Oh yeah, it's like they're
• 17:27
  doing a bit of Poseidon. Adventure, they're already.
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  Born of the medical drama. Right into that building.
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  Bob and Dave have ADHD. I I let me ask that because
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  like, I have that too. I want to give up this one so
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  much. Yeah, this is the energy in it
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  is amazing and I what sells it is everyone kind of goes for it.
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  I imagine they're sort of right in the script going, okay, so
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  they're picking up the boulders and all this left over the
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  damage from the from the terror attack.
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  Okay, now I'm bored already. Let's shrink down the Doctor and
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  put him in his head. I love how they cut away before
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  they all jumped in there because there's no way they're fitting
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  in that little lifting otherwise.
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  It's getting very cozy down there, like.
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  Does the does the way just hops about though?
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  Does it bother you? Because it doesn't?
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  I don't know. Why it?
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  Normally it would, but. In this one it it skips along at
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  such a pace I just don't care it.
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  Gives it energy, yeah. It's witty.
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  Around we're done. 5 minutes of that.
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  Let's do some other shit now. But no, then the cliffhangers
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  would start somewhere completely different, wouldn't they?
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  The resolutions. Yeah.
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  There's no Clara, though. But there is.
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  That we know of. Oh, that's right.
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  Oh, yeah. No, no, There is a Clara.
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  She has to be there somewhere, doesn't she?
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  Come on. You know, you know, Graham
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  McDonald took a look at that script from the Pirate Planet
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  and went, no, no, no, we ain't doing this.
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  This is too ambitious. And yet he looked at this script
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  with a fucking spaceship crashing into a meteor and
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  asteroid hospital and all that sort of in the doctor's head
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  stuff and went now, yeah, go for it, you.
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  Know no problem. I'm sure we can do it.
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  Oh dear, Oh dear. And Lila gets to play the action
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  hero because you can get the Doctor doing the the Doctor
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  stuff of being the smartest man there is and saving the day in
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  the meantime. And nothing, they've just got
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  Lila random Roman columns, just. Wow.
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  I feel as if. It's the same interior designer
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  that does. Gallifrey, you know, to give it.
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  A sort of ornate look you just have like the odd column.
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  Every. Now they're the same columns,
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  aren't they? They're just going to repaint
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  them later for Gallifrey, right? You know what they need.
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  There's a few pot plots about the place that would make it
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  much nicer. Some shrubs for for for loading
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  him like the gates have. Already got them, they're taking
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  them to Titan. Look at those glasses.
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  Why, in the case of Adrasani, did the doctor not go, oh, do
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  you know what? I could clone myself, go inside
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  my own body, defeat the spectrox that's poisoning me, like every
• 19:59
  time he's in a bit of a pickle. Biologically speaking, he could
• 20:02
  do this, couldn't he? We never had.
• 20:03
  To come back here and see these bastards.
• 20:06
  It's just. Like at the end of The Two
• 20:09
  Doctors. Like when the when the Doctor
• 20:11
  calls the TARDIS with that remote thing and Colin's like,
• 20:14
  I've always wanted one of those. There you go.
• 20:16
  Look Calle Lee. What does it mean?
• 20:20
  Oh, there you go. Lee s s.
• 20:21
  What does it mean? He knows what?
• 20:25
  Can someone please Google? Calle Lee, please.
• 20:30
  Yeah, it's just load of bullshit, isn't it?
• 20:32
  Look. Look at this.
• 20:33
  Look at this. Look at this.
• 20:41
  Did you see that role she just did there as well?
• 20:47
  Did I miss it? I was Googling Calais leave.
• 20:53
  Oh, I'm so sorry. Of the story.
• 20:56
  Did you find anything? No, I don't think it means
• 21:01
  anything. And we distracted him from his
• 21:02
  favorite moment. Andrew, sorry.
• 21:06
  We'll burn in hell. There's a bit in a minute, right
• 21:10
  where? She's cloned and the doctor
• 21:13
  opens the door and she goes, now what's going on?
• 21:15
  And he just shuts the door in her face.
• 21:17
  Man, oh man. I bet Louise Jameson was pissed
• 21:19
  when he did that. It's quite funny as a joke,
• 21:22
  though. Do you know the director of this
• 21:25
  Derek Goodwin? He was a sitcom director, wasn't
• 21:28
  he? He'd done a lot of sitcoms and I
• 21:30
  think you can sort of tell with the pace.
• 21:34
  And he's encouraging them to look bits business, isn't he?
• 21:36
  Run in and out of the rooms. You know, keep it moving.
• 21:39
  If we know it's a load of dog shit, just keep it moving.
• 21:43
  Maybe they won't notice. Yeah, it's like when you compare
• 21:46
  this to like Silver Nemesis where you've got one shot for
• 21:51
  like 5 minute scene and leaden dialogue trying to land the
• 21:55
  comedy. It's very.
• 21:57
  Oh, I was hoping. We'd do self nemesis next, you
• 21:59
  know well. We knew you're loving McCoy, and
• 22:03
  to order a joke that was like. Will you be turned into dogs?
• 22:11
  We already have been. You know, leaders got to stop
• 22:17
  sitting around when there's emergencies on like this.
• 22:21
  She's saving the strength to the next round of penis shooting
• 22:25
  off. The bit where Lila goes, you
• 22:30
  know what, if you're going to clone me, I won't stick.
• 22:32
  Around and watch. Thank you.
• 22:33
  And save them the special effect of having two of them in the
• 22:36
  same room at once. That was quite nice.
• 22:38
  I like this cute little effect that I don't do it all the time,
• 22:41
  but he's still got a little bit of paper hanging out of his
• 22:43
  mouth canine. So he's a little tongue mag and
• 22:46
  he's hanging out with Leila. That's that's awesome.
• 22:48
  That's on their friends. Oh, that does look ghastly, That
• 22:53
  effect on his face, doesn't it? Look at that, yeah.
• 23:00
  I think they look more like fish scales and prawns to me though.
• 23:05
  So far. Definitely off the sea.
• 23:08
  Definitely not the sea. Very fishy, yeah.
• 23:15
  I was like the. Sea uniforms can't be practical.
• 23:19
  She must be so sweaty in that. Yeah.
• 23:24
  You mean I have to wear this green garbage bag the whole
• 23:26
  time? Yes.
• 23:27
  There is a very funny moment in episode 3 right where Professor
• 23:30
  Maris has been taken. Over as well and.
• 23:33
  She's inside that back bit where Leela is.
• 23:35
  And she tip toes out of the room in that fucking day.
• 23:38
  Glow green costume. Nobody notices.
• 23:43
  I'm going to notice this time. See, it's so funny because I
• 23:46
  think this is supposed to be really tense.
• 23:48
  Him on the screen going, you know, give up the doctor or
• 23:51
  we're going to. Come in there and kill all of
• 23:52
  you. But it's sort of hilarious,
• 23:54
  isn't it? I love it.
• 24:00
  Yeah, Michael, she's getting his best.
• 24:01
  And then the the accent. I mean, are we nearly the end of
• 24:10
  two? This is literally flying.
• 24:11
  Yeah, This is, this is flying. It's it's, Oh my goodness.
• 24:16
  Is this the clone doctor? I've lost count now, yeah.
• 24:19
  Because he's on, Yeah, he's on the He's got nothing on his
• 24:21
  face. By the way, the discontinuity
• 24:23
  guide points out that oh how nifty that the dimensional
• 24:26
  stabilizer just fits exactly into that that that wall there.
• 24:31
  Because it's dimensional. I like to think that that's the
• 24:34
  most one from the time Meddler that he stole so that he didn't
• 24:37
  need his TARDIS is still the same size because this is spare.
• 24:41
  If it was the missing adventure, that's exactly what it would be.
• 24:44
  That's right, but it man, it's a great idea, right?
• 24:48
  Shrinking them down and putting them inside.
• 24:49
  His head. That is such a wonderful idea.
• 24:52
  Well, they've just nicked it from Fantastic Voyage.
• 24:55
  Haven't. They fantastic voyage.
• 24:57
  Yeah, kind of surprised it took him this long to actually do
• 25:00
  this in the doctor's brain. I've.
• 25:01
  Never seen a fantastic voyage, is it any good?
• 25:05
  It's not as good as the invisible enemy, let's face it.
• 25:07
  No A. Few things are John, though.
• 25:09
  Let's be. Honest.
• 25:10
  Exactly. I can't remember if I've seen
• 25:12
  that or if I've seen inner space, because they're both the
• 25:14
  same thing, aren't they? Yeah, I've definitely seen inner
• 25:17
  space. They've got sort of a similar
• 25:19
  sort of budget, Fantastic Voyage and The Invisible Enemy.
• 25:22
  Yeah, yeah. No, I remember but.
• 25:25
  But you've had inflation in the years between so.
• 25:28
  I remember teenage me being very disappointed that clone Leela
• 25:32
  and and I don't care about clone Doctor being naked, but the
• 25:34
  clone Leela was clothes. What?
• 25:36
  They clone the clothes too, but you know, it is a tea time Poly
• 25:39
  show. They're not going to do that.
• 25:42
  Running around in Tom Baker. Brain nude Jesus Christ.
• 25:48
  Well. Who knows what goes on in Tom
• 25:50
  Bakers brain? I mean, to be fair, by the time
• 25:53
  we get to those beach ones in Planet of Fire, you know people
• 25:57
  are practically nude bar there. Don't.
• 25:59
  Know this is one of those ideas that's so good that the idea of
• 26:03
  taking a copy of the regulars and putting them in the
• 26:06
  dangerous situation that I liked in the big finish nightmare
• 26:09
  country. It's Stephen Gallagher's like,
• 26:11
  lost story, Tegan's in this, like a copy of Tegan's in this
• 26:15
  world. And like she's not allowed to
• 26:20
  get back out of it and the world's going to collapse or
• 26:22
  whatever. And it's just really.
• 26:24
  Kind of touched. Yeah, and it's a good like, and
• 26:28
  I see bits of that here. It's like this episode has so
• 26:32
  many ideas in it, make friggin whole stories out of it.
• 26:36
  If anybody makes any jokes about that pair being lost down a
• 26:39
  massive black hole or. Andrew, what were you going to
• 26:45
  say then? I was going.
• 26:45
  To say, I think that's a pretty good effect.
• 26:47
  I mean, I know it's CSO but it's pretty cool.
• 26:51
  You don't have it in a minute when they're dancing and this
• 26:54
  all bubbles are going. Everywhere.
• 26:56
  Oh, it's great. Just look at that glass of
• 26:59
  bubbly you got there. Imagine just diving straight
• 27:01
  into it. It'd be exactly the same.
• 27:06
  Oh. Wow, I think I like that more
• 27:08
  than episode 1 it's as well. You know.
• 27:11
  I mean, it's not canine. I'm.
• 27:12
  Biased there is canine but saying just how fast it moves
• 27:17
  that it just changes completely. I just think because so much of
• 27:22
  14 is that sort of brooding gothic horror to go sort of
• 27:26
  bright and entertaining and pacing like this, it feels
• 27:29
  really refreshing. Feels like a story they might
• 27:33
  have made in the previous couple of years, but Hinchcliffe would
• 27:37
  have made this as the same the same tone as Planet of Evil,
• 27:41
  right? You, you all know and your
• 27:44
  mileage is my very own. That story, but you.
• 27:47
  Wouldn't have had the pro with Hinchcliffe.
• 27:49
  It's it's in no one's top 10s, right.
• 27:51
  So. Yeah, exactly.
• 27:54
  So. Unbelievable.
• 27:55
  You haven't even seen the weird stuff at this story.
• 27:57
  Yeah, well, look, Luke, I'm sorry, but you're.
• 28:02
  Going to have to say the final words and you know what it is
• 28:04
  right? Contact has been made.
• 28:08
  Well, you should say and cut it there, but that'll do.
• 28:10
  Yeah.