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The Honorary Citizens of the United States · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: a US. We are joined today by our guest producer,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decade. Let's give it up for him. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and what we said your name? You're an I am
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  Speaker 1: Even if we didn't, I still am. Okay and I'm bed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we get. We don't need to have your name said
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  Speaker 1: for you to have an identity, sir. That's true, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to be a citizen of the
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  Speaker 1: United States, there is some paperwork involved as well as
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  Speaker 1: some verbiage. If you're side an oath, got to speak
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  Speaker 1: an oath, you gotta put your bloody thumb print on
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  Speaker 1: a document, sign your name and in blood. Now, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's changed over time. You still have to
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  Speaker 1: have interviews, you have to take citizenship tests. Naturalization is
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  Speaker 1: what they call it, right, and all three of us
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  Speaker 1: recording today, and quite a few of us listening today
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  Speaker 1: are citizens of the United States. Oh. What's strange about
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  Speaker 1: this is that the United States is one of the
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  Speaker 1: countries that gives you citizenship just for being born here.
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  Speaker 1: Not every country is that way. But if regardless of
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  Speaker 1: what your parents past is, etcetera, if you were born
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  Speaker 1: on US soil, typically for most of history, that makes
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  Speaker 1: you a US citizen. However, you and I started looking
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  Speaker 1: into a very very strange story something about honorary citizenship.
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  Speaker 1: You know this this means that you're allowing the US
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  Speaker 1: to kind of claim you. They're like, all right, she
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  Speaker 1: or he is one of the good ones. But they
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  Speaker 1: don't have to actually do anything, and you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to do anything getting an honorary degree, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: for being a good guy. But like how a professor
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  Speaker 1: emeritis doesn't teach classes, really, yeah, Emeritus justumplies some sort
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  Speaker 1: of like ephemeral kind of like honor, you know, or
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  Speaker 1: just by virtue of being this luminary in the field,
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  Speaker 1: you you get to be this thing, yes, exactly, and
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  Speaker 1: that sort of applies here as well. That's I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, uh, And I think that's spot on, because
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  Speaker 1: it would be cool to be an honorary citizen of
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  Speaker 1: a country, like I'd love to be an honorary citizen
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  Speaker 1: of Baton or Vanuatu, which will show up in a
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  Speaker 1: later episode. But in the case of the u S,
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  Speaker 1: we found out that it is, uh, it is a
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  Speaker 1: real thing. You can't have honorary citizenship if you don't
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  Speaker 1: want the whole kitten caboodle. The problem is the honorary
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  Speaker 1: citizenship may be one of the most difficult things to
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  Speaker 1: achieve in this country of ours. It's right. It is
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  Speaker 1: granted by an Act of Congress and the President. Uh
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  Speaker 1: And to this day, unless we're missing one, only eight
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  Speaker 1: honorary citizenships have been bestowed the entire time. Only time,
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  Speaker 1: only eight. Here's what the State Department says about honorary citizenship.
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  Speaker 1: Honorary citizenship does not carry with it the rights and
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  Speaker 1: privileges of ord ursitisenship, and such status does not confer
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  Speaker 1: any special entry, travel, or immigration benefits upon the honoree
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  Speaker 1: or the honoree's relatives and dependents. You are in Texas,
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  Speaker 1: weren't you been. It also does not impose additional duties
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  Speaker 1: or responsibilities in the United States or internationally on the honoree.
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  Speaker 1: It is a strictly symbolic act and no oath is required. Ah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not quite that. So it's literally just like
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  Speaker 1: a wave of the hand and then it happens. It's
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  Speaker 1: like a key to this. It's just like that. And
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  Speaker 1: it's first of all, you they can they can give
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  Speaker 1: it to you without your consent. To, can't they? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: sort of the way that the Church of Latter day
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  Speaker 1: Saints got in trouble for proxy baptism. Right, that's a
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  Speaker 1: whole kind of worms there. But yeah, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: None of these people are like asking for this as
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  Speaker 1: as some sort of benefit or like it's going to
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  Speaker 1: do something positive for their lives or they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to use it in any functional way. It's
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  Speaker 1: a strictly symbolic act that implies that this individual, not
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  Speaker 1: a citizen, has done great things to aid our struggle
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  Speaker 1: as a country. It's such an atta boy, And that's
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  Speaker 1: why it's such a thin list, because it has to
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  Speaker 1: be a lot like the burden of uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: do goodery is quite high. That's true. That's true. So
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  Speaker 1: what we wanted to do today was explore the stories
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  Speaker 1: of these eight honorary citizens, many of whom will be
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  Speaker 1: familiar to you, some of whom may be deep cuts.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get started with h first and foremost, one
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  Speaker 1: of the most pugnacious, uh, one of one of the
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  Speaker 1: most pugnacious, acerbic characters in modern European history, Winston Churchill,
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  Speaker 1: who is his drunken escapades are worth an episode alone,
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  Speaker 1: I would say, but Winston Churchill was the first foreign
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  Speaker 1: national to receive honorary citizenship in the United States. Eight states,
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  Speaker 1: this is interesting had already granted him citizenship, just not
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  Speaker 1: the federal government, which I didn't know was the thing
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  Speaker 1: that could happen. You know, if you're I guess if
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  Speaker 1: you're the the governor of New Mexico, or maybe you're
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  Speaker 1: the what what's a different state? What's the state? No
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  Speaker 1: one talks about Delaware Rock still not a statement. What's
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  Speaker 1: legally a territory? It's telling you it's because they have
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  Speaker 1: tremendous not human rights abuses, but fraggle rights. You don't
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  Speaker 1: think they should get honorary statehood and just for their
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  Speaker 1: contribution to popular culture? No, man, those war crimes are
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  Speaker 1: really bugged. Have you read the U N reports? Oh man,
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  Speaker 1: they're heavily redacted. So yes they are, and they should be.
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  Speaker 1: I am not a fan of puppet crime, which is
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  Speaker 1: why I support Sesame Street. But you can love them both, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a Pepsi cooat thing. So yeah, I did not.
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  Speaker 1: I was not aware that states could individually grant citizenship,
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  Speaker 1: but eight states had already granted citizenship to Winston Churchill.
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  Speaker 1: His mother was American. Uh, and this happened all before
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  Speaker 1: JFK and Congress followed suit. So we have a quote
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  Speaker 1: from Kennedy in his proclamation. Here's what he said about
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  Speaker 1: Winston Churchill. Yeah, this proclamation praised Churchill for his quote,
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  Speaker 1: brave ray, charity and valor, both in law and peace,
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  Speaker 1: have been a flame of inspiration and freedom's darkest dollar.
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  Speaker 1: That Okay, Kennedy, I mean there's probably a Kennedy. There's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of Kennedy. Kennedy and there was there
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  Speaker 1: was like maybe ten percent Kennedy. Oh, we gotta mixed up.
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  Speaker 1: Let's keep it interesting, right, Like it's like potted meat.
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  Speaker 1: It's like potted meat. H Now with tim percent Kennedy exactly,
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  Speaker 1: I would I would buy that at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: So Churchill's watching this. He is despite the flagrant abuse
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  Speaker 1: he subjected his body to over the decades, he is
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  Speaker 1: still alive. He is eighty eight years old. He's watching
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  Speaker 1: a satellite relay of this from his home in London,
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  Speaker 1: and his son Randolph accepts the honor on his behalf.
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  Speaker 1: One other interesting fact, uh, one other interesting fact about
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  Speaker 1: church He was also the recipient of the nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: three Nobel Prize for Literature, which a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. But that's him. That's that's an easy one,
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  Speaker 1: the famous rip roaring Okay, I can't keep saying Winston
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  Speaker 1: Churchill is a rip roaring drunk unless I do at
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  Speaker 1: least one quote rip roaring, cigar smoking drunk. Here we go, yeah, perfect,
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's just pull up one of his weirdest, weirdest
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  Speaker 1: drunk quote a real hum dinger. So once upon a time,
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  Speaker 1: Winston Churchill is in a conversation with MP Bessie Braddock
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  Speaker 1: uh or, the conservative lady Astor who was the first
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  Speaker 1: female MP, and one of them accuses the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: of being quote disgustingly drunk, to which he responds, my dear,
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  Speaker 1: you are ugly, and what's more, you are discostly ugly.
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  Speaker 1: But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still
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  Speaker 1: be dec Oh man. If that didn't get him a
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  Speaker 1: swift slap across the jowls, I don't know what would.
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  Speaker 1: He's got jewels that are hard to miss. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but he had tremendous influence on the course
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  Speaker 1: of the world, in which we lived to day and
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  Speaker 1: he's an honorary US citizen. Wasn't he also like weirdly
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  Speaker 1: eugenic or he did like you had something, you had
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  Speaker 1: some really weird, weird, deep cut Churchill issues. Probably he's not.
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  Speaker 1: He's not super cool. He's not a cool guy. He
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  Speaker 1: was just very racist, that's what it was. Yeah, against
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  Speaker 1: people who lived on the Indian subcontinent. Yeah, he was
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  Speaker 1: still very much a son of the Empire, as in
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  Speaker 1: like the colonizer, kind of like mentality. It was Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars like evil Empire. Yes, yeah, most of most of
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  Speaker 1: the prequel Star Wars films are actually based off Winston Churchill.
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  Speaker 1: He even kind of sounds like the Emperor. He does
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  Speaker 1: ah as I the Emperor at the last second. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the biggest controversy about Star Wars. They actually
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  Speaker 1: cut out Winston Churchill's character and replaced him with jar
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  Speaker 1: Jar Binks. So if you look back next time you
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  Speaker 1: watch Star Wars, you remember how much people disliked Jarge
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  Speaker 1: our Binks. Just imagine it in its original form with
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  Speaker 1: Winston Churchill. Do it's great. It's a it's a good,
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  Speaker 1: it's a good, it's a good piece of cinema. So
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  Speaker 1: that that was the first one in the era of JFK.
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  Speaker 1: But who was after that? It wasn't until nineteen eighty one, shockingly,
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  Speaker 1: which I guess makes sense considering how few of these
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  Speaker 1: there are in the grand scheme of things. But we
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  Speaker 1: have Raoul Wallenberg, who was a historical figure I was
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  Speaker 1: not aware of, but something of a of a Oscar
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  Speaker 1: Schindler type figure. Yeah. Yeah, So Hungary fought alongside Germany
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  Speaker 1: during World War Two and past past anti Semitic discriminatory
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  Speaker 1: laws towards Jewish people, but the Jewish population of Hungary
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  Speaker 1: was to a degree spared the tragic, horrific genocide of
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  Speaker 1: the Holocaust. Once Hungry wavered in the Axis Cause, Hitler
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  Speaker 1: ordered the country immediately occupied and Jewish people living in
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  Speaker 1: Hungary were ordered to be rounded up and deported, and
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  Speaker 1: within the space of one year a half million people
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  Speaker 1: were murdered by the German regime. And this is where
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  Speaker 1: Raoul Wallenberg comes in. What what makes him a Schindler
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  Speaker 1: esque figure. So Wallenberg was a businessman who got sent
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  Speaker 1: to the Swedish embassy in Hungary, and he was an
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  Speaker 1: issuer of passports. He issued six fifty passports to Hungarian
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  Speaker 1: Jews with ties to Sweden and that would offer them
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  Speaker 1: protection from deportation. So when Wallomberg got into this post,
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  Speaker 1: he um looked at how massive this humanitarian crisis was
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  Speaker 1: and decided he needed to really take take charge and
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  Speaker 1: step up his game. Um. And so with a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of creative paperwork, a little bit of you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of um maverick like diplomacy, he was able to
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  Speaker 1: protect in the same way that Schindler shielded Jews with
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  Speaker 1: jobs in his factory and kept them from getting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sent to the camps. He was able to shield them
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  Speaker 1: with this paperwork and these passports. Yeah, and he didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the luxury of thinking in a very long term
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  Speaker 1: way about this as a crisis situation. He's just attempting
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  Speaker 1: to save innocent lives. The Fascist learn of Wallenberg's operation,
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  Speaker 1: they pick up the scent, and so they immediately invalidate
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  Speaker 1: all the paperwork they can find. They round up Jewish
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  Speaker 1: people who had escaped with his help, and they forced
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  Speaker 1: these people to walk to the Austrian border. But Wallenburg
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  Speaker 1: is undeterred. So he is driving behind this forced march
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  Speaker 1: and people are pointing guns at him, and he's ignoring it.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's feeding these people, he's bringing the water, he's
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  Speaker 1: attempting to do anything he can medicinally, and he still
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  Speaker 1: keeps issuing these documents. So at this point there's a
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  Speaker 1: good argument to make that he has defied death, that
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  Speaker 1: he should have been shot. Right, So let's fast forward
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  Speaker 1: to the Soviet Union. They occupy Hungary in January of
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  Speaker 1: n and they take Wallenberg into custody, and here is
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  Speaker 1: where we stumbled across a mystery. Raoul Wallenberg, you see,
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  Speaker 1: was never seen in public again. That's that's so anytime
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  Speaker 1: you say that statement shivers of my friend and they
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  Speaker 1: were never heard from again, has to be a pregnant
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  Speaker 1: pause before it again if you just leave it as
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  Speaker 1: never never heard from and that's sort of like it's
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  Speaker 1: very vague. It's kind of like what we don't need.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't call. You don't know how you don't call.
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  Speaker 1: They had they had a throat thing, they couldn't speak. Now, well,
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  Speaker 1: this was you know, this was Cold War era, so
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  Speaker 1: information was tightly controlled, and we do not know what
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  Speaker 1: happened to Wallenberg. We know that the Soviet government said
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  Speaker 1: that he died shortly after being taken into custody that
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  Speaker 1: he had a heart attack in a prison in Moscow
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  Speaker 1: in ninety seven, but still no official word, no confirmation.
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  Speaker 1: And that is why in nineteen eighty one he was
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  Speaker 1: declared an honorary US citizen, which makes you wonder, you
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  Speaker 1: know how much of that was a propaganda move. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is clearly has a lot of propaganda potential. Right.
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  Speaker 1: There is the aim of Uncle Sam at this point
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  Speaker 1: on the record at least is they said, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to make him an honorary citizen because this
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  Speaker 1: will pressure the Soviets or the you know, the Reds
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  Speaker 1: or whatever they called him at the time, to disclose
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  Speaker 1: information about Wallenberg. It did not work, now, definitely did.
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  Speaker 1: He was never heard from a Gain Gain gang game. Paul,
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  Speaker 1: can we get a little a little ghosts? I felt
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  Speaker 1: that a crossma spine? Al right, Bett? Who we got next?
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  Speaker 1: Only a scant two years later? A scant two years later. Four.
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  Speaker 1: Our third honorary citizen is William Penn. So this story
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  Speaker 1: dates back to the sixteen eighties. There was a guy
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  Speaker 1: named Charles the Second. He was in charge of a
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  Speaker 1: place called Britain. He owed the Penn family money like
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  Speaker 1: Lanister style, you know what I mean. So he settled
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  Speaker 1: a debt with them in one by giving William Penn
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  Speaker 1: forty five thousand square miles of land north of Maryland.
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  Speaker 1: He gave that, he said, you know, I can't pay
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  Speaker 1: you the cash, but here, here's all this land. What
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  Speaker 1: they call it been Pennville, pent Town. Uh, pennywait, no,
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  Speaker 1: penny wise. Okay. I like that. I'm thinking it's something
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  Speaker 1: more familiar than we may have heard it before. Although
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  Speaker 1: now that I'm thinking about it, why penn Why Sylvania?
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  Speaker 1: Where I want to know the origin of of penn Sylvania.
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  Speaker 1: It's like Transylvania. Do you think that's what it is?
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  Speaker 1: Sylvan means forest. That's a good point, so as Sylvania
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  Speaker 1: is a Sylvan region, penn forest. Maybe. Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: what we call real time etymology. We just kind of
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  Speaker 1: spit ball it out. Probably true, possibly not true. This
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  Speaker 1: is this is what we ca what we call speculative
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  Speaker 1: speculative etymology. I like that. That's gonna be Uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be my new my new title. I like the validation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna get a certificate that decreas me to
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  Speaker 1: be a speculative etymologist. I think he deserved that ben
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  Speaker 1: any more. So. It's true Penn's colony, which he dubbed
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania in honor of his father, which you know also
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  Speaker 1: one could argue in honor of himself. Hey, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: know he is his father's son. Um. You know how
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  Speaker 1: that they share the name. But it was a religious haven,
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  Speaker 1: which you guys do you guys know about this for
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  Speaker 1: for his fellow Quakers and um settlers of different faiths.
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  Speaker 1: And Penn was a huge proponent of the rights of
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  Speaker 1: representative government UM and also religious freedom and the ability
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  Speaker 1: to receive trial by jury, uh, public education, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the important tenets of the U s constitution. And
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  Speaker 1: are you know, wonderful country, a good look at out, dude?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you On a personal level, I I enjoy all
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  Speaker 1: of the things that you are into, if you can
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  Speaker 1: hear me from beyond the grave. So the wheels of
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  Speaker 1: justice grinding slow but exceedingly fine. And thus it comes
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  Speaker 1: to pass that more than three hundred years after Penn
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  Speaker 1: first arrived in this colony, he received honorary citizenship in
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  Speaker 1: a country that he never lived to see established because
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  Speaker 1: the US didn't become a thing until after Penn's death,
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  Speaker 1: which leads us to Hannah Callowhill Pen, who also received
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  Speaker 1: honorary citizenship in that very same year of nineteen hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty four. She lived in Pennsylvania for only about
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  Speaker 1: two years UM, and she was Penn's second wife, twenty
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  Speaker 1: four years younger than him. I'm okay with that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't work. That doesn't actually work out with the
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  Speaker 1: with the math, the math. Have you guys heard the
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  Speaker 1: you guys heard the dating math? What is it? It's
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  Speaker 1: half your age plus seven seven? Is that the Every
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  Speaker 1: time I have heard that, outside of outside of our
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  Speaker 1: our irreverent conversations, every time I've heard somebody say that seriously,
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit off putting, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's like some guy you don't really know, You're at
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  Speaker 1: a bar and they're telling you about their life and
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  Speaker 1: then they refer to the math capital t capital in
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  Speaker 1: exactly which also could you? I mean, I would love
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  Speaker 1: to believe that that in that context is some sort
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  Speaker 1: of acronym that we have. There we go, we have
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  Speaker 1: yet to fully decode. Uh, the master age technical hierarchy?
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  Speaker 1: I like that? Or how about this the master age transgression? Shoot?
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  Speaker 1: I want to say gradient there's no g and then
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  Speaker 1: that would be cool the math only, Um, what I
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  Speaker 1: want to know is where's the magic. We've got the math, Now,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: where's the magic? Just wait, you will hear more about that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You see in this episode, uh so or in one
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of these episodes. So she's only lived two years in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and you know we're we're joking about the math
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, if people are happy and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they're not hurting anyone, let them be happy. Right. She
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: didn't get honorary citizenship because she because of her husband.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: She in her own right was known to be an
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: activist and an advocate for espousing the same principles that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: William Penn also evangelized for. Yeah, when William m became
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: sick in seventeen twelve, he had a bunch of strokes sexually,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't really realize that and gradually became worse and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: worse and just wasn't all there. She was able to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: kind of take over the business that he had started
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and carry on that mantle and really managed the colony's affairs,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and she would have was sending letters to various um
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: officials within the colonial governorship. And when William passed away
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in seventeen eighteen. She became the essentially the governor herself.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But that's not what they called it. Um. They called
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it sort of an acting proprietor, which I guess is
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: sort of like being, uh, what do you call that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: when you're interim governor? I like a substitute landlord, which
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's a little bit diminutive for sure. Now
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of bit dominative. And then she passed
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: away in sevent and she was the longest serving woman
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in control of a British colony, a very important colony
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: as well. Hannah Calo Hill pen Uh. She is I
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: would say one of the more upstanding people on our list,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: speaking of uh, speaking of controversy, which I have foreshadowed
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just a bit here fun we'll see. Our next one
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is Mother Teresa. Her first name was Agnes, but everybody
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: called her mother Teresa. And if you grew up around
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the time that Nolan I grew up, then you have
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you heard about her as a kid. She was hot,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: she was big, yeah, and the scene. Yeah, she was
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: a real she was a real guaranteed headline, Right, you
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: have a Mother Teresa headline? Boom papers are selling out
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: back when people used to read physical newspapers. Agnes guna bojacksu. Uh.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: That's g o n x h a b o j
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: x Hi. You not gonna lie. We had to google
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that one pronunciation. Yeah, yeah, we did. Uh. She, like Churchill,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was named an honorary citizen while she was still alive.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Get this, She and Winston Churchill were the only people
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so far to be named honorary citizens while they're still alive.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: It makes me think of um current. See. You know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like here in the US, you don't get your face
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: on currency or coin until well after your death. So far,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: some of the Teresa was Albanian. She was an Albanian nun,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and she had already received tons of the highest unit
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: US accolades in terms of the Nobel Peace Prize, Presidential
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Medal of Freedom UM. And the funny thing is that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: she didn't really spend a whole lot of time in
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the United States to begin with. She worked with soup
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: kitchens under the Missionaries of Charity that she founded in
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. UM had emergency shelters, nursing homes, after school programs.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I almost said after school specials. That's something different, that's
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: a little more fraggle rock. Really it's very much so.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And she, you know, she just founded all of these
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: really really important nonprofits essentially that were designed to help
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and nurture the poor and the homeless and just the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: less fortunate. And when she did receive that on a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: racitizenship when she was eighty six years old, uh, the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: ambassador to India, which is the country where she first
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: started doing all of these good deeds good works, called
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: her quote a daughter of America, and she had done
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of work in Calcutta, which was known for
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: its poverty. And she actually went on to be canonized
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: as well and received saint hood in ten But this
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: is a really interesting story and the process that goes
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: into canonizing someone within the Catholic Church is fascinating to me,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and some things that I was not aware of. Right
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: for a long time, the Vatican had a step in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the canonization process that required someone literally deemed as a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: devil's advocate, and their entire role was to argue against
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: beautification and canonization, to say this person doesn't qualify as
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a saint for the following reasons. You know, there were
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: no snakes in Ireland to begin with, right, something like
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that it was abolished in the eighties, but the Vaticans
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: still still floods around with the idea. And Christopher Hitchens,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the famously militant atheist, testified as her devil's advocate. Wait
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a minute, what why how did he get involved in
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the proceedings if he's not even the believer. I think
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: he just likes to likes to stir up that pots,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that bear, he likes to he likes to bag that badger.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I guess he uh he said he represented the devil
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: pro bono. A little bit. More on Mother Theresa. Yeah,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: she was canonized on September four, sixteen, and she still
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: had some controversy throughout throughout her life and afterwards because
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: certain people would would study her clinics and say, hey,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: they received millions of dollars in donations, but they don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: have medical care, good diagnoses, systems, necessary nutrition and so on,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and three Canadian academics actually, uh say, said that she
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: was purposely allowing people to suffer. Specifically, they said Mother
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Teresa believed the sick must suffer like Christ on the cross.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And then Christopher Hitchens was one of Mother Teresa's most
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: outspoken critics for for a long long, long, long time.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: He he said she was not a friend to the poor,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that she saw poverty is is a necessary gift of
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: suffering from God. So he had stake in the game. Next,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: we arrive at one of my favorite rappers, one of
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: my favorite recent rappers, I should say Nelly, No, the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the Marquis de Lafayette. Ah. Yes, of course, he's from
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the Hamilton's Musical, played by David Diggs, who has a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: great who has a great hip hop group. I want
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to say on the West Coast. Maybe they're called Clipping
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: without period of fun. They're great. He's also gonna be
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: blind Spotting, which is quite good. Yes, yes, I believe
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: he wrote that. I think he did. He he co
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: wrote it. He's on movie Crush with Chuck, him and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: his co writer for that movie. We're on movie Crush
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: talking about I can't remember what their favorite movie was,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: but you should check it out. Was it Police Academy?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: For it had to have been. That should be everyone's
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: favorite movie, because otherwise I'm cold classic. Otherwise, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Chuck and a great friends, but I'm not gonna listen
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: to it. That's fair. Um. Yeah, So there's an article
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: on mental mental flaws that goes through eight of these
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: honorary citizens, and they make the point that I think
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: is completely valid that the United States would not exist
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: had it not been for the Marquis de Laffi. Yet. Yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen them. I'm not gonna do no spoilers.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the musical. I don't know really any
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of the music. Just listen to the soundtrack. I should. Yeah, Yeah,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: it's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's pretty it's solid. Uh,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I would, I would say, you know, if you're like
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: fold and laundry or something, it's good. Or you're on
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: a long walk, maybe a plane. I don't know, got it, Well,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I do a flight to me, maybe I'll check it out.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he was the French general who was in
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: charge of divisions in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. Yeah. Yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the story you might hear in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Hamilton's is true. This guy came in supporting the ideas
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of liberty, equality and so on, and he really didn't
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have to have a stake in this game. But he
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: is primarily the reason that France came to aid the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: US colonies against Great Britain, and then later when he
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: went back to France. He introduced the Declaration of the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Rights of Man and of the Citizen before the National
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Constituent Assembly, and he co wrote this with Thomas Jefferson.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: You may remember from previous episodes, because no one's heard
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of Thomas Jefferson until they listen to Ridiculous History, right.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I certainly hadn't been. I certainly hadn't. You know. What's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: weird is the way the way statistics work. There's probably
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: someone named Thomas Jefferson right now, and they're probably mad
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that their parents named them Thomas. I agree. Yeah, it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: definitely like sort of that names sort of been ruined.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, okay, one could argue that name has been
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: lifted up and elevate it. It's taken. It's totally taken.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: It's taken. It's like it's like Michael Bolton right right right,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: or or you know, there are two Nick caves I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: remember that always. That always astounded me. Well, they're the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: artist Nick cave but the people typically think of Nick
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Cave in the bad seats. Yeah yeah, yeah, but the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: artist Nick cave Is is equally awesome in his own right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It makes sound suits and you know he actually did
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a performance here at the building where we did very
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: very cool. Paul, did you work on that documentary? Paul's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: given us the NOD Mission Control worked on it, so
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it's got his stamp of approval. But uh, names aside.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: You're right, there is a tremendous argument to be made
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that this country would not exist without the efforts of
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: la Fayette. And I would say he really earned this
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: honorary citizenship. When he died, the U. S. House and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Senate draped the chambers in black. They knew we owed
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: this guy. But when did he When did he become
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: an honorary citizen? It was after his death, right two
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: thousand and two, quite a bit after his death during
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: a joint resolution. Yes, he was given that citizenship, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: that was the federal citizenship because he was given uh
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: citizenship via Maryland before then, right while he was still alive. Oh,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about the top of the show,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: this who little the mini citizenship. Yeah, that seems like
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a stretch, doesn't it. I mean, I would you think
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of it this way if one province of Canada gave
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: you citizenship and you know, you could travel there or something,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: but you were still a foreign entity in any of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the other provinces. That's weird, you know what I mean? Well, like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: what if Utah gave you honorary citizenship, Now you gotta
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: get into and out of Utah. Seriously, I think we're
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: gonna air drop you in there. I guess that this didn't. Yeah, well, anyway,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's obviously a symbolic act on on all fronts here.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: But that's an interesting one to me. Uh so, what
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: do we have next? We have Kazimir Pulaski. So, Kazimir
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Pulaski also set sail for North America to help the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: American side in the War for Independence, right, he wanted
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to fight for the continental cause. He did a bunch
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Famously, during the Battle of Brandywine, he led
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a cavalry charge that saved the life of George Washington.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: It was promoted to a general who organized mounted soldiers.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: He even wrote the book on cavalry tactics. Literally, he
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: wrote a book about it. That's like mounted attacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It's all about formation, formation, strategy, flanking. No one when
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to hold him, when to fold him, when to charge them,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: when to scold him, when to scold him, And say Hey, buddy,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you're not riding that horse very well. You're doing a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: bad job. And when to mold them, get with It's
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: all about molding them. It's all about excellent cavalrymen. Yes, yes,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: uh yeah. He's one of the fathers of American cavalry,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and for a century or so his death has been
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a holiday or a day of remembrance. Pulaski Day. Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: is that a thing? I guess so it's you and
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I must be a horrible patriots, Paul. Have you ever
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: heard of Pulaski Day? Casimir Pulaski. Paul is saying that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: it's a Sufian Stephens song and I, to which I replied, uh,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: it is probably bigger in Michigan. Okay, let's let's actually incorrect.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: It's it's in big in Chicago, which was the second
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Sufian Stephens state based album, We go Feel the Illinois,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Come on and Feel the ill And I hope he
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: gets the other ones. I hope he does it one day.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I keep thinking about that. That bugs me. I stay
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: up at night thinking about you and your albums. Suf
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I call him suf uh So Pulaski Day, which we
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: have to celebrate in October eleventh. Let's let's get up
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to Chicago. He's one Illinois's favorite son. Lard. We'll celebrate
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Pulaski Day. We'll get a get a Chicago dog, will
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: go see a Cubs game in Wrigleyville. Dropped by Second City.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: See what they have going on Polaski wise, since that's
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a big celebration. Uh yeah, yeah, so it is a holiday.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Uh and he said he sounded like a superhero coming in.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: So he's a Polish military officer. When he arrives in America,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: he looked at Washington and he says, I came here
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: where freedom is being defended, to serve it and to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: live or die for it. Hard as nails, really tough,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: tough guy, tough sounding dude, like the cut of his jim.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And so we come to the last, but not least,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: honorary citizen of the US bestowed inten to Bernardo de Galvaz.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: In seventeen seventy seven, Colonel Bernardo of Galvez was made
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the interim governor of Louisiana, and at the time Louisiana
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: was under Spanish control. Galvez hated the British, so he
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: helped smuggle supplies to the Continental forces through the ports
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: city of New Orleans. He also orchestrated a campaign against
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the Red Coats, defeating them in several battles, including Bottom Rouge,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and he became general like you do. Yeah, So that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: when he won some pretty significant battles in the Battle
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of Fort Charlotte. UM, and he took mobile away from
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the British after all these years, low these many years,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: and that's when Washington UM really praised Galvez as being
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a deciding factor in the outcome of the Revolutionary War. UM.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And then in when this resolution was drafted that made
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Galvez an honorary citizen UM. That was quoted and put
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: in the in the paperwork, the documentation. He's also, you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: this is the most contemporary honorary citizenship that we've got
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: on the books. Who knows. Who knows what's next? Ben
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: who knows who will come next? Maybe maybe someone listening today,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it could be you. It could be you want to
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: be a citizen for the United States who don't want
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to do the work. Just become a key military lynch
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: pen in some really important conflict that changes everything, or
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: or you know, do something people will appreciate. Two hundred
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: years after that. Interesting facts about Galvez. Uh, he is,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: although he's little known today, he is the namesake of Galveston, Texas,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: which I I didn't know. I thought that sounded familiar, right, Uh,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: he's It's weird because he played such an instrumental role
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: but is relatively little known, but didn't play any instruments,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the accordion. Perhaps, I don't know. Accordion is a lot
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: to haul with you. Uh maybe he Yeah, because he
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: wasn't the father of Calvary. He's no Pulaski Polaski, being
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: both from Poland and riding on horses all the time.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Surely he's my accordion pick I like it. I don't
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: want to pigeonholer stereotype. I just think he's more likely
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: to have an accordion, and I think about that a
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: lot when we're doing this show. I think much of
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: these historical figures is most likely to have an accordion
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: and to have accordion chops. So how did he die?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert? He's dead. Yeah, he definitely died. Um and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: his remains are lost to history. Yep, we're we're doing
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: our own sound effects now. But while his bodily remains
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: may be lost to history, his legacy is not. The
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: bar is very high when it comes to honorary citizenship.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And while many of these people on this list are
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: controversial for one action or another, uh, the truth remains
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that they did fundamentally huge things for the US and
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: in the case of Mother Teresa, for people who are
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: suffering in other parts of the world. That's right. So
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: our hats off, our collective hats off to all these
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: folks because they really did make a big impact, enough
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: so that we were able to grant them citizenship. In
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: these days, the citizenship is becoming more and more of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a divisive thing. Um, So it's sort of like almost
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the highest honor that you can you know, it's it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: not easy to get citizenship, and it's becau even more
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: difficult to get citizenship and to become a naturalized citizen.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: So hats off to all of these players, players, players, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And we want to hear your deep cuts, folks. Who
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: do you think is deserving of honorary citizenship to day?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And more importantly, who do you think you are? Let
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: us know. You can write to us at Ridiculous at
• 39:25
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• 39:29
  Speaker 1: little confrontational. Hey man, you know, are you punchy? Are
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you punching? I'm not punchy. I'm just punching. Okay, I'm punching,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: punching above my weight class and below the belt at
• 39:40
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• 39:43
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• 39:45
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• 39:48
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• 39:52
  Speaker 1: our own strange adventures. I am at Ben Bowling on Instagram.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I am at how Now Noel Brown on Instagram as well. Big, big,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: big thanks to Alex Williams, who composed the track and
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: recently appeared on an episode of Ridiculous History with us.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Do tune into that if you haven't checked it out. Uh, Paul,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Mission Control decade. I'm making eye contact with you outside
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the studio to thank you so much. Dude. Casey is
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: pursuing his double life. He is as La Bouche, as
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: La Bush and yes yes uh where he wears a
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: leather jacket and as a single ear ring, single dangly
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: cross earring. And we think he has two secret families
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that don't know about each other and lots of other
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: secret stuff. Did we mention this on air? Yeah, totally okay,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I think we mentioned it at the top of the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: show during the emeral episode. Great well, Hats off to you,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: La Bush, you are missed. Uh and thanks I as
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: always to Gabe, our research associate. Thanks to you Ben.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Thanks to you Pal, you really make it easy. We'll
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