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MJ Acosta-Ruiz on Surviving the Grind, Setting Hard Boundaries & What It Really Means to Be Booked & Busy · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: Their cage children, people literally dying, family stripped apart.
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  Speaker 2: It's just hey, guys, welcome Too Personal. I'm Joy Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us. We have Gunny in
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  Speaker 2: the studio today, mister Gunnery and best the MJ Acasta Ruiz.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on Too Personal of course, So
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  Speaker 1: how is this the way that we got toally meet up?
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  Speaker 3: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking about it yet, Like yesterday I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't see MJ because MJ's working, honey, she's booked
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  Speaker 2: and busy. Af Let's which I am so proud of you,
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  Speaker 2: But let's do the proper introduction of sports journalists, anchor,
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  Speaker 2: broadcaster more than fifteen years in the industry. Grew up
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  Speaker 2: in Washington Heights and daughter of Dominican immigrants, which we
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  Speaker 2: shall talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Covered the Chargers and Padres.
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  Speaker 2: In San Diego, Sandago when a regional and in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: she became the first Afrolatina host on NFL Network, and
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  Speaker 2: she's been expanding her impact, joining ESPN as a sports
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  Speaker 2: center anchor and Monday night football sideline reporter for ESPN deportees,
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  Speaker 2: and most recently stepping into the NBA world as the
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  Speaker 2: host of the Association on NBA TV.
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  Speaker 3: I'm j Costa Reis. Welcome to personal as long last.
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  Speaker 2: This is definitely testing my multitasking abilities. Yeah, so we are.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, MJ and I
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  Speaker 2: are best friends. We went to college together at Barry
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  Speaker 2: University in Miami, and we have pretty much like mirrored
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  Speaker 2: Pachelers careers in a lot of ways throughout since like
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  Speaker 2: the beginning. Really moved to California almost the exact same time.
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  Speaker 4: Like a month apart, I think, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that conversation in Radio and South Beach, Yes
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  Speaker 2: that you were like, I can you never have those
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  Speaker 2: memories where you can just like zoom yourself back into
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  Speaker 2: the Yeah, is how that is?
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  Speaker 3: She's so smart, Like you know a thing that I
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  Speaker 3: just avented.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and MJ was like, I'm moving to San Diego
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  Speaker 2: and we were we all cried, we did, but it
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  Speaker 2: was this It was a huge thing.
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  Speaker 3: And then I think like a month later I found out.
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  Speaker 2: That I was moving to LA and that was an
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  Speaker 2: interesting chapter of our lives. Both being in California and
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  Speaker 2: LA was overwhelming and San Diego was a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We were literally driving back and forth between La and
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  Speaker 1: San Diego like every other week.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, coming to our house,
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  Speaker 4: You're like back.
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  Speaker 2: Coming you Yeah, we were surviving yea, and now here
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  Speaker 2: you are too busy to do anything.
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  Speaker 3: How is everything? It's I mean, how is everything?
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  Speaker 1: That's such an overarching question, very loaded question. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think everything is is good. I mean I really
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  Speaker 1: do try and think about things in a totality of
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  Speaker 1: it all, Like I'm healthy, I'm working, I'm planning things
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  Speaker 1: long term, and I have a lot more perspective now,
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  Speaker 1: especially being somebody when people are like your booked and busy, childless,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hustling. Like I'm hustling, I'm trying to stack money.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to just really plan out my future for
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  Speaker 1: the next five or ten years, not just take the
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  Speaker 1: next gig. Like everything that I'm doing now is intentional.
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  Speaker 1: It's for a reason. It's because there's like a bigger
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  Speaker 1: picture involved in it all. And I do feel very
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  Speaker 1: lucky to be able to operate in different verticals and
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  Speaker 1: carve out time for myself to you know, take a
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  Speaker 1: second and breathe and think about my life and when
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  Speaker 1: I can go home and see my family and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. So it's such a different season and it
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  Speaker 1: looks different than how we started our careers where things
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  Speaker 1: were a little bit more structured. So it's like an
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  Speaker 1: organized chaos, but it's it's good. It's good in that sense.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've been challenged a lot recently
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  Speaker 2: because stepping into the association was a different like totals, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And it's a it's a difficult show to do.
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  Speaker 3: Being that it's.
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  Speaker 2: Live and the NBA and you know, all these different
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  Speaker 2: cuts and like, you know, if you don't, if you
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  Speaker 2: haven't seen the.
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  Speaker 3: Show, you should watch. It's a great show. But there's
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  Speaker 3: like different guests every week.
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  Speaker 2: It's like nothing you haven't handled before, but it is
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  Speaker 2: it's a new show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So how has that been a challenge for you?
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  Speaker 1: It has been a challenge because it's a while. I've
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  Speaker 1: obviously always followed basketball, but the last time I really
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  Speaker 1: I immersively covered it, like this was back when we
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  Speaker 1: were still in Miami and we had the Big Three
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  Speaker 1: and there was a three peet with the Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Sheet and that whole era.
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  Speaker 1: That was I don't know, thirteen years ago, fourteen, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's been a minute ago, and I've been able to
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  Speaker 1: do it through my work on Sports Center cover of
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  Speaker 1: course like daily Highlights, but it's very different, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not in it every single day covering the league,
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  Speaker 1: all of the moves, the big players, the big storylines.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think the magic of this show was
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  Speaker 1: it's a three hour show most of the year and
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  Speaker 1: you're in it, so whatever you don't know, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to figure it out pretty quickly, just off of like
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  Speaker 1: a loone repetition of doing it all. But I like
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  Speaker 1: to be able to flex those muscles again. But it
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  Speaker 1: was a challenge too because we're like a small but
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  Speaker 1: mighty team and we were building the flane as we
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  Speaker 1: were flying it literally like you know what, we don't
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  Speaker 1: like the segment, let's try something else. But there's something
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  Speaker 1: cool about that, like you know what, it is like
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  Speaker 1: creative freedom in that sense.
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  Speaker 4: It was really rare for me to step into a
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  Speaker 4: space like that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the biggest challenge was the schedule because when
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  Speaker 1: I started in October, I was in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: NFL season, right, so I was flying out over the
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  Speaker 1: weekend working Monday night football, flying back immediately going into
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  Speaker 1: the studio to do three or four days of MBA
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  Speaker 1: and then rinse and repeat for seven months. And so
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  Speaker 1: the real challenge was not passing out yeah quite frankly,
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  Speaker 1: and not getting sick and not losing my mind through
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  Speaker 1: all of it.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing to not lose your mind through
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  Speaker 2: all of it? Because that is a lot of work
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  Speaker 2: and people don't see the People just see the shows,
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  Speaker 2: But there there's work to be done in between those shows.
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  Speaker 2: There's meetings, there's prep, there's there's research, there's like there's
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  Speaker 2: there's things in between that, there's travel, Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot that's happening in between that. Also, you have a life,
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  Speaker 2: so you try to well yeah, I mean but you
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  Speaker 2: do have a life, like you have you know, you
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  Speaker 2: have things in your life. So what are you What
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  Speaker 2: are you doing to balance all?
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  Speaker 3: Not balance? I hate that fucking word.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, what are you?
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  Speaker 3: What are you doing to take care of yourself? Right now?
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  Speaker 1: I think the main thing for me in season And
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  Speaker 1: when I say in season, I'm talking about NFL season,
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  Speaker 1: because that's when everything collided altogether. I very intentionally carved
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  Speaker 1: out time for myself. For me, it was going to
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  Speaker 1: agree and pilates classes and I'm like, all right, those
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  Speaker 1: forty five minutes are mine and mine alone.
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  Speaker 3: And that was it.
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  Speaker 1: And some weeks I got maybe one class in because
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  Speaker 1: of my schedule. Other weeks I got four classes in,
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  Speaker 1: and then inevitably I got my first geriatric injury.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, when you're in your forties.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you're supposed to do four I don't.
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  Speaker 4: No, you're not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like because I I've that's my primary workout too,
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  Speaker 2: is Plate's but and it's I do the harp plaize too.
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  Speaker 3: I call it the herp I call it the angry Yes,
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  Speaker 3: angry plies.
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  Speaker 2: I do angy plies too, because there are there is
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  Speaker 2: like a much peaceful, more zen pilates. Correct that I start,
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  Speaker 2: it's not what we're doing. No, we're doing the angry pilotates.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think you're supposed to do it that much.
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  Speaker 4: No, the instructors telling you.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you did it, when you did hurt yourself,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think you supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: doing it four days.
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  Speaker 4: With No, you're not.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, dang, I have four days, so let
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  Speaker 1: me like take advantage of it because I probably won't
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  Speaker 1: get another four days. Yeah, And then my body said no, no, literally,
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  Speaker 1: we're not doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think you should call it geriatric because
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  Speaker 2: it's it's probably like what happened not a.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm talking constantly about like, uh, perimenopause because I
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  Speaker 2: just I have convinced myself we're in it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know why people keep saying we're not like.
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  Speaker 1: I it starts at thirty my brain.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone was like, yo, you're too young. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: mean thank.
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  Speaker 1: You, I mean yes and no, and we're in.
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  Speaker 2: My brain just stopped, like my brain stops working. I
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  Speaker 2: do how many times today? Was I like?
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  Speaker 3: What is what it is? Was I saying three seconds ago?
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  Speaker 1: I glitch constantly glitch. It's like a little like the
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  Speaker 1: wheel on your computer all that time. What I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what is going on? What did I come in this
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  Speaker 1: room for? Did I put the order on?
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  Speaker 3: Nine?
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  Speaker 4: That the orders in my hand?
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  Speaker 3: Girl?
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  Speaker 1: You put it on? So I just carry it with
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  Speaker 1: me at all times because now I can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: My notes app in my phone probably is the most
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  Speaker 2: opened app on my phone.
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  Speaker 1: I have thousands of notes. The other day I put
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  Speaker 1: a note I owe the dogsent are twenty dollars.
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  Speaker 2: We have to How do you remember anything if not.
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  Speaker 2: But also I think that's a product of like.
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  Speaker 3: Being very busy and having a lot of responsibilities. How
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  Speaker 3: is your spirit right now?
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  Speaker 1: It's right now today, and it's on a day to
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  Speaker 1: day basis right because like a few days ago, I
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  Speaker 1: was spiraling, spilling the toilet pretty bad. But then the
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  Speaker 1: next day I find clarity and whatever it was that
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  Speaker 1: was occupying my brain, and I'm like, okay, girl.
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  Speaker 4: Fine, you needed the spiral, you needed that second.
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  Speaker 1: Today I'm feeling much more, I think because I knew
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  Speaker 1: I was going to see you, so I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I was excited, and sometimes you just need that energy
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  Speaker 1: that like female energy and people that you trust. But
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  Speaker 1: today it feels good, But it is. I've learned to
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  Speaker 1: give myself grace that if I'm not feeling a hundred,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay.
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  Speaker 4: There's reason to not feel a hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: There's a million tabs open. Half of them are destruction,
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  Speaker 1: the other are anxiety. The rest is planning a life,
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what serves me and my family.
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  Speaker 1: Best is the dog? Okay? Did I let his hair
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  Speaker 1: grow out too long? Do I need a haircut? Did
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  Speaker 1: the mortgage get paid?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it did because it's on auto payment, So
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  Speaker 1: why am I worrying about that? Like it's always covered,
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  Speaker 1: but there's always all of these tabs that are functioning
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  Speaker 1: all at the same time. And so I've learned that
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  Speaker 1: if I am glitching, well, damn, I'm doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that I haven't completely collapsed is actually kind
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  Speaker 1: of a miracle if you think about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's like this constant
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  Speaker 2: it's this constant anxiety that you forgot something all the
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  Speaker 2: time or you miss something, and sometimes you do forget
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  Speaker 2: I do, and that's okay, but it is I think
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  Speaker 2: when you're an aspirational person, those things feel like failures.
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  Speaker 1: All the time, all the time, like why why would
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  Speaker 1: I forget that?
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  Speaker 3: And it's not.
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  Speaker 1: And it's that grace part of giving ourselves the permission
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  Speaker 1: to like fuck up every once in a while. And
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  Speaker 1: I'd normally fuck up in like the great tragic collapse
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  Speaker 1: side of it, but like, sometimes things up. Sometimes I
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  Speaker 1: forget that I was supposed to pick up Gunny at
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  Speaker 1: three and not at six or whatever it was. I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine the ones who have like actual little humans
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  Speaker 1: depending on them, like bless and I think the other
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  Speaker 1: big part of it is the perfectionism that I've been
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  Speaker 1: dealing with my entire your life, the people pleasing that
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  Speaker 1: I've been.
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  Speaker 4: Dealing with my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: Where does that come from? I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it is, for sure, childhood like that. That's the imprint.
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  Speaker 1: You know, from birth to seven years old, you're conditioned
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  Speaker 1: to be a certain person. And as a young girl
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  Speaker 1: living in a very misogynist ecosystem in the Latino community,
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  Speaker 1: it was embedded in me that you are you have
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  Speaker 1: to be like this, you have to behave like this,
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  Speaker 1: you have to do this, don't upset anybody. What you
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  Speaker 1: do and what happens around you is implicitly based on
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  Speaker 1: your actions and what you may or may not have
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  Speaker 1: done to anger someone or not anger someone, And those
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  Speaker 1: are things that carry with you. As much as I've
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  Speaker 1: tried to deprogram myself of those things, I capped myself
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  Speaker 1: back in that rhythm all the time. I'm more aware
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  Speaker 1: of it now, so I try to control it. But
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that are so inherently within you
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  Speaker 1: are really hard to disconnect from.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I talked about this a few weeks ago, but what
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  Speaker 2: my family's generational curses, and you know, we all have
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  Speaker 2: multiple courses. I wouldn't say that it's one, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what is the Do you think perfectionism is the one
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  Speaker 2: that has stuck with you the longest?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one on one a perfectionism and people pleasing
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  Speaker 1: without question like to just like be very buttoned up
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  Speaker 1: all the time. And like a good friend of mine
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  Speaker 1: of ours actually said, you know, I wish you would
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  Speaker 1: let down the polish a little bit sometimes, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: the polish is part of the defense mechanism.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Like if I'm polished and I'm buttoned up, I feel like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's one barrier where people can get through, Like how
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  Speaker 1: could you possibly come out me when I've presented when
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to present. And it's not that it's not
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  Speaker 1: part of me and it's disingenuous, but it is.
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  Speaker 4: I've been built to be polished.
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  Speaker 1: And then, by the same contrast, like so much of
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  Speaker 1: what I do is rebellion at every turn within my career,
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  Speaker 1: within my life, the choices I made as a young
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  Speaker 1: woman to get me to this spot. So I live
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  Speaker 1: in this like ying and yang world of like still
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  Speaker 1: being the perfectionist and also like, don't fuck with me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no one ever tells me to be much.
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  Speaker 3: It has never been sent to me in my life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting because I do, like, as someone
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  Speaker 2: who's known you for uh almost twenty years, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think of you as a polished person. I know your
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  Speaker 2: unpolished spaces as well, But even in your unpolished spaces,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think of you as like like I think.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess I understand. I don't know who
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  Speaker 2: was I said it to you, but I guess I understand.
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  Speaker 2: I don't desire that for you, unless it's a burden
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  Speaker 2: that you feel like you have to uphold to be polished.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that your unpolished spaces make you very
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  Speaker 2: authentic and make you relatable and make you honest. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm you know, I obviously wouldn't be friends
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  Speaker 2: with the fuck up, But I don't think that. I
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  Speaker 2: think you you may be upholding that in some ways
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  Speaker 2: that it kind of holds you back totally. I think
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  Speaker 2: I would be able.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where like my rebellion comes in.
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  Speaker 1: Like the other day, at a speaking event in front
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  Speaker 1: of like bosses and peers and a room of.
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  Speaker 4: Women, I will say.
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  Speaker 1: Someone asked me, like, you know, what have you learned
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  Speaker 1: all of this time in this business? And I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I've learned to acknowledge that I'm overqualified, and like you
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  Speaker 1: could feel everyone like almost like clench a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Like there was a couple we had a couple of
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  Speaker 1: friends in there, and they were like yeah, but it
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  Speaker 1: was the lonely like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They were like, oh no, it was so hard.
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  Speaker 1: But I was like, but who in this room isn't unqualified,
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  Speaker 1: Like we've had to be as women in this industry
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  Speaker 1: overqualified excuse me, well, overqualified sure at every turn, but
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  Speaker 1: especially women black and brown women. There's that's the baseline
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  Speaker 1: is to be overqualified position. But I think like saying
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  Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud, people were like, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the part where like, while it was a
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  Speaker 1: polished answer, it was also like not what people are
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  Speaker 1: supposed to say, right, and especially in like that type
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  Speaker 1: of environment. But it is I find like my points
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  Speaker 1: of rebellion. I didn't know I was going to say that,
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  Speaker 1: and it just came out and I was like, but
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  Speaker 1: I am though.
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  Speaker 3: You are, though, how does it feel when you're doing that.
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  Speaker 4: In the moment I'm like, okay, and you have.
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  Speaker 3: Anxiety later afterwards, I think about it.
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  Speaker 1: For I probably overthought it later that night and then
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  Speaker 1: had a glass of wine and got over it. But
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  Speaker 1: I think I do find empowerment because I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: while most people in that room clenched, outside of my
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  Speaker 1: two friends that were in there that were copping for me,
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  Speaker 1: I know it connected with at least.
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  Speaker 4: One other person, and that's good enough for me.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it like for you right now? It's
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: so hard to interview your best friend?
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: It is you know a lot of the answer, it's.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to interview your best friend.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: What is it like for you right now as well? Okay,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I'll say this, what's it like for you right now
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: as a Latina in the business, Because you know, obviously
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: you are a black woman first, but we are living
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: in times where the Latin community, the Latino community is
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: under attack literally and the conversations continue and the attack
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: you and it's exhausting.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: I'm sure. But what is that like for you being.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: From a family of immigrants, Yeah, and maybe not visibly
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: showing up to people the way that they expect you too.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's heavy and it's complicated, and it's infuriating all
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: at the same time. I will say in terms of
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: like just existing as a black woman, as a Latina,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the intersectionality of it all is heavy. It's heavy every day,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: and I have a lot of conversations with younger women
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: in the industry who call and reach out and I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: don't know what to do, and I'm feeling overwhelmed and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: overworked and also sad and angry. And I try to
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: be not a vessel, but at least a conduit for
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: them to see that it's not just them. But it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: hard to because there is no right answer. There's no solution.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I wish I could give you the give them and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: give myself and all of us a solution for it,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't exist obviously. Like we're just fighting for
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: our lives quite literally every single day. I think business wise,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: in the entertainment, television, sports industry, there were.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: We saw so much overcorrection.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: After the social reckoning in twenty twenty and through the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: pandemic right And when I say over correction, I mean
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like the corporate spaces very quickly were like, oh, okay,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: this is what we should care about, and now they
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: don't care about it anymore. Now they're showing that they
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: never really cared about it in the first place. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it's tough because we were making an imprint I felt
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: within our communities and we continue to do that work,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: but now we don't have the funding or the support
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: or they'll give a fucks from like the higher powers anymore.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: And so we're I feel like we've taken three steps
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: back in that sense, not because we're not doing the work.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: We certainly are, but it feels harder to move the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: needle now than ever before, ever before, And that's not
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: by mistake. The system was bill to be that. There
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: was just that glitch in that time where we found
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: an inn and we bum rushed it and everybody else
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was like, all right, let's let them, you know, have
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that moment. And it's really frustrating to see how many
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: steps back people took in the support that they were showing.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the anti DEI stuff is obvious. It
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: is very obvious and very real. My in no one
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: would ever mistake me for being an optimist. But my
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: opinion on all of it is, while it's it is
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: clear that that is what they're trying to do, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: they're not being quiet about it at all or stealth
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: about it. The audience has to react to it. Yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: like I saw, I saw somebody. I hate doing this
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: without having this journalist to me. I hate not not knowing. Yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that Stephen Miller's wife is getting a podcast, I think,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, right, exactly specs ugh. But I'm
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: also like, who the fuck is listening to Steven Miller's
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: wife's podcast. I mean, they're they're funding it, I guess,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: But like, doesn't there have to be an audience for it,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not I don't care how many fucking.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Bill wards you put up. I'm not listening to that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Not so the people that we're already listening to that
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: kind of gibberish might listen to it some more, but
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: like the audience has to reflect that, Like, if you're
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: going for audiences, we want diverse voices. We have shown
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that in our demands, not just on social media, but
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: in the reaction that we have the things that we support,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and I think that things that we buy, things that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: we buy, the places we shop. So I do think
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that it's on And I obviously I can't speak for
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the Latino community, but certainly the Black community. It's on
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: us to support the things that matter. Do you feel
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like the Latino community Am I saying that properly? Do
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you feel like the Latino community is united in any
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: way right now?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I see it, But I think in the overall sense,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: there's so much work to be done. I think there's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of forward facing people, and like I'm part
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of a group called Latina's Acting up, and like our
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Queen Gina Tours is part of it, and Diana Rivas
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and like so many Eva Longoria's part of it too.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Like there's so many women who have had now access
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and are positions of power to really move the needle.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But the rest of the community has to show up.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: And I think creating these spaces that aren't cost prohibitive
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that people can really show up and show their support
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in different ways. We can only build it, like everybody
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: else has to come, And I do feel that there
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: are an Ida who's a phenomenal comedian, and I met
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: her in during Super Bowl Week and I went on
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: her podcast and she had an interesting thing in an
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: earlier episode of her podcast that said, you know, there
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: are so many rooms that I walk in that it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: my peers other Latinos telling me like, you're so good
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and you should be in okay, but you're in the
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: room where you could get me in there, and you're
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: not doing it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Like there are a lot of.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Communities who keep it together for themselves and are lifting
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: their own communities up, and a lot of times we
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: falter in that. And I've seen it over and over
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: again where some it be your own people, not everyone, obviously,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: but I think I've been in direct situations where you think,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: because somebody looks like you and has a similar background
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: as you and can empathize with you, but they get
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that little bit of power and that's what they're gonna
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: hold onto their survival, their proximity to power, as opposed
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to like, Okay, I'm here, and I'm not saying that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: everybody has to be the representative for the full community,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: but to a certain extent, yeah, you do, because a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: lot of times we are the only one in that space.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah I don't. I think you do.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you do, because we say that and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: then you wind up with like fucking Clarence Thomas. So yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I do think you have to be a representative for
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the community. You don't have to agree with everything. You
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: don't have to represent the entire community. But if you
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: are somebody who's in a space where you previously it
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: was illegal for you to be in, yeah you do
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: have to and.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Not that long ago, you do have to represent.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I try to be careful when talking about, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: business that is not mine. But obviously I've spent a
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: lot of time in Miami. I know a lot of
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the sensitivities and demographics and religious influences and cultural influences
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: But I what role in proximity to whiteness this display?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, the proximity whiteness is everything. I mean,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that's what I've experienced directly, because there's still so much
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of the Latino community that refuses to accept our African
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: roots and our African lineage.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Within my own country.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: That's why the whole I don't want to even call
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it a trope, but like you hear people, especially when
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: of Dominican.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: China black eyed, I know black.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, hello, that was my grandma, a black woman,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a black woman. You could not tell her she was black? No, no, no,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like, please, we own mirrors, we have eyeballs, like
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: please be serias.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: You the Cardi b exactly exactly.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But that's another generational curse, a generational trauma. Just because
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you happen to speak another language does not make you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: any less black. It was the same ships different stop,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That's all it was. And so it's hard because a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: lot of the Latinos that you see in forward facing
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: positions that have been advanced by the mainstream, it's because
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they're the most palatable, because they look the closest to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: white as opposed to the.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Ones who are more indigenous and black. That's the reality.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And I feel like that plays such a big role
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: in social justice.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I think it plays such a big role in politics.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It plays such a big role in representation in storytelling.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And obviously, you know, proximity to whiteness in in the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: non Latino community, in the in the black community just
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't really work.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Is that a thing?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a time in history when you
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: know that it maybe was, But there's no such thing
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: as like a palatable type when it comes to that.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: But I do feel like a lot so much of
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: what is happening politically and socially, it does feel like
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that this particular time, Obviously, the focus is on immigration,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the focus is on the Latino community, and it's it's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: scary to me, and I guess a little bit confusing
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: how it wouldn't be a more united front.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: It's survival, it's survival, and it's delusion.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's more the survival thing is
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: not don't that's not. The survival thing is a point,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: like you survived to the next day.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: It's to a point.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And I think growing up in Miami was such an
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: interesting sort of vortex of all of it because you
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: got so many Latinos from so many you know, you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: get the Caribbean, Latinos of South American and Latinos just
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: everyone comes together. But you also have people who defected
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: from Cuba, who was a communist regime, who have very
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: deep embedded not just beliefs, but trauma, and a lot
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of folks who look very white, very very white, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: they came into this country under different circumstances, especially if
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you look back at the Mariolitos who came in the eighties,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: who were literally shipped out of Cuba and sent to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the United States, and they were afforded different, different benefits,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: if you will, when they came to this country as
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: opposed to others who like literally fought for their lives
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: to get here from that same island, and then building
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the people who are coming from Venezuela, from Columbia, from Mexico,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: from Dominican Republic. It is such a mixed bag of
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: trauma that it's so intense. And that's why you see
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: all of the jahitos over at like the Cuban coffee spot,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: fighting all damn day about which regime was worse and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: who I.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Mean, fighting for fighting the oppression Olympics. I feel like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: this is always a thing.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: It's insane, but.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's my naivete because it's not my culture. But
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I don't understand the separation, like the inner like okay,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: if it's World Cup time.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Cool, okay, but like where you're flying, all right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: But like as far as the United Front against Oppression
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and White supremacy, how is this not an easy plug in?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: How are you gonna get your papers and then hate
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: somebody who hasn't gotten their papers yet?
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't is there an explanation for that? Like is
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: this a discussion in the community.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: It is, and I think amongst the younger generation, because
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I think that there's still a lot of from the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: conversations I hear within my own family, within just the community,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: there's so much of a well I did it this way,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: so you should do it that way. It kind of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: comes back to other generational traumas, like, well, I got
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: my ass beat, so why aren't these kids getting their
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: ass beat? Because you should want better progression for the
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: next generation. If it was so hard for you, if
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you had to wait twenty five years to get your
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: citizenship in this country, but now there's a path potentially
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: for somebody else to have it in a shorter timeframe,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't you want that?
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Why do you want.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Every generation to suffer as much as you did? Yeah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And I think the suffering is like, oh, well, that's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the right of passage. My parents came here, sacrificed literally everything,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and went through hell and back so that I could
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: be able to live these crazy dreams of mine. They
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: don't want me to suffer the way they did. They
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: don't want me to go through what they did. They
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: don't want me to be on food stamps and on
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: government assistance and fighting for their lives every day, or
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: living in a two bedroom apartment with fifteen other family
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: members because we're all trying to make it here at
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the same time, they want me to be superior to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: anything that we could have even imagined. Right, And I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: think so many people still live in this blockade of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like if I suffered that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Bad, so do you? How dare you have it easier
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: than I do?
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: That comes from trauma that comes and a little bit
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of it comes from well, I made it, why can't you?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And it's a weird frickin flex. It's not the flex
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you think it is, Babe, Like it's weird.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: It's weird, and it is.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I I don't know, like if it exists in any
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: way to that level in the black community, because like
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: it's I don't know.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I just find it so strange and I find it
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: very heartbreaking because.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So are you, gunny, It's just out because with everything
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that's happening right now, I do feel like the community
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: being under attack that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: You know, immigration camps would be the thing.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: God, it makes me sick.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Camps.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It makes me sick just to even think about it,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: like their caged children, people literally dying, families stripped apart.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: It's just it's insane that people understand inherently that this
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: is happening under our watch, and that people are encouraging
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: this type of shit. I don't even just as a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: human being, let alone as a member of the Latino community,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: how you can think that that's okay and that's something
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: that you support. I will say, I think generationally, here's
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: what I feel. The difference is in the two spaces
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: between African Americans who grew up here, who have this
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: generational lineage of literally building this country, as opposed to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: folks who came from an already colonized place and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: are coming here to another colonized place. I felt it
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: more when I came from like South Florida, New York
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and then the West Coast, very different origins, right, whereas
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of our Mexican Americans here are four or
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: five sixty seven generations deep.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: I'm first gen in my forties.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: But when I came here and I met, you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of Mexican American Latinos or my same age,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, my great grandma was already here, and
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: they told us not to speak, not to speak Spanish,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to assimilate as much as we could to this to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: this culture, to be as American as white as we
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: could be as opposed to, like, you go to Miami,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the first the first language is Spanish.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Spanish.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up in Washington Heights. Well now it's gentrified,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but it was all demanding. It was all Dominican restaurants.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It was very forward like within the community. It was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: just cold, but it was another Dominican republic, no beach.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So it's so different whereas we came over on the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: East Coast, where I think it was more acceptable to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: like still uphold your culture as much as possible in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: your language and your traditions as opposed to survival wise.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: The Mexican Americans here, from what I've learned in conversations
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: with them, was now you got to be as American
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as possible to survive here.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: So it's an interesting dynamic.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: But nevertheless, it goes back to the proximity to what
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: American standards are, to what the white standard is, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to be as close to that as possible.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Whatever your motivation is.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Do you.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Do you worry as much as I do about where
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: all this is going?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm constantly looking for outlets of again survival,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Where can we go that we're not going to continue
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to be persecuted, that it's not going to completely collapse
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: on all of us. We're at where we can be
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: safe to live our lives and thrive. And what's crazy is,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: if you think about it from an immigrant standpoint, my
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: parents came to this country because that's what was offered.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Right in their view, you come to the USA and
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that's it, like you're set forever, and now we're in
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: a place where that very community is again an attack.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: My parents have been citizens for decades here, but because
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: they have, they speak with an accent because they look
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: like the way they look, I'm constantly concerned. Yeah, constantly concerned.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, please carry a proud and even folks who
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: are carrying their passports are still being attacked, you know.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So it's it's terrifying to me. They think of it differently.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: They're like, no, we're good and I'm here, like, don't
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: make that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I think like I do think the generation because my
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: mom always and my mom as you do.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You know my mother very well.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: She is glued to the news and she is always concerned,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: always updating me on you know, the thing that's happened,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: and you know, she reminds me sometimes like eh, We've
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: lived through some shits for sure. Like and so I
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: do think maybe for the older generation who did see
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: some real fucked up shit, and we've seen some real
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: fucked up shit, but they've seen real, real fucked up
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: shit and it not be televised or put on TikTok
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: for them, they're used to this in some way. This
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: is we got really complacent.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: And now that's why I feel like everything is falling
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: apart because listen, like they they just tried us, They
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: fucking just tried us. They dumped the whole wheelbarrow of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: bullshit on our heads and there has not been a revolution.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So which is insane to me. I'm hoping that there's
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like an underground something they don't know.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like we would have heard about it. We
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: for sure. I feel like we would have been tapped
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: at some point.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: That's the thing is like I do, I do wonder
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: and like it applies to so many things because we're
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: sort of elder States women in the business now and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: we've done a lot of work to you know, reach back.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: You were talking earlier about how.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: You you mentor younger people and make yourself available to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: younger people and you know, I.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Do as well.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I sometimes I have a lot of faith that the
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: next generation is the ones, they're the ones that are
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: gonna save us. And then sometimes I'm like, they can't.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Read, they can't write.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Curls right, they can't read or write.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: They can't do a lot of things. And that's part
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Is not entirely their fault. Things are being taught differently.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Some things aren't being taught at all anymore.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: But there is more access to information now than ever
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: hundred of the world.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: But it's more filtered as well, So like if you
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to touch brind, I'm not making excuses for
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the next generation at all. But part of me I
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: think you're right. Part of me is like, Okay, they
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: got it. I think we're gonna be okay. And then
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I see other things and I'm like, oh my god,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to work until I'm sixty five. I
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: don't want to, by the way, I'm not working to
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: them sixty five.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: No, I'm tired.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I can tell this, know, I can just right now.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: If there's gonna be a point where if I haven't
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: made the money i'm making, it's gonna be the only
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: fans get excited. It'll be like ten years from now.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: But if if I, if I haven't reached the point
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: that I need to reach, I'm gonna be cashing out.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I'm done, cash me outside.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Why we have been working so hard? There's no not smart,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Why why why we.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Can blame Gigi and Maria? Okay, because they gave us
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a certain she's.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Gonna be like how much getting that? Don't worry. Don't
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: worry about the nephews. They'll get over. I'm all tar
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah no, I'm not gonna only fans.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: TVD. It might be something else.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Say this now, if I didn't have these tats, these
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: feet would be on the internet.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Fuck that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: You know there is makeup for that's so much work.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: It is so much compared to what we do.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't have that many morals. The older I
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: got the last I care. It's declining.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, because the older I get. No, I get no.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: It's a complete sense.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: No. No is absolutely a complete sense.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: It's a complete sense.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: What is the biggest thing that you've learned about yourself?
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: My feet are ashy? I'm sorry, guys. What uh, what
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: is the biggest thing that you've learned about yourself through age.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, my god, through age.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'm god. I'm so happy to be in my forties.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, like
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it's it's cool.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I They told me that there would be a shift,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and it is, I think, because your body is going
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: through so much all at once. Ladies, they don't tell
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you about the second puberty. Okay, I don't know, what
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the helly? I don't want that, neither do I. And
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm and it's very much a trial and error. Like
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, why am I breaking out again? I'm
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: at pipples since high school and here we are anyway,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I digress. I think the biggest thing that I've learned
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: is that you never stop learning.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: But that's okay.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I'm learning more about myself now what I can tolerate,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: what I absolutely will not tolerate.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: And it's a hard no immediately, whereas before.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well maybe I should, you know, concede a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: little bit. Here. I know my boundaries are very hard
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and past and there. It's not a blurry line. It's
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: not a thin line. It's a thick, bold line. No,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't like I make no apologies for it anymore.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And I think that unapologetic side has really given me
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of empowerment at this point. Even just like
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: from my late thirties to now. Now I'm like absolutely
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: not and it's not this like I have less time
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to consider so I'm just not. No, Now I value
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: my time so much more, like I'm okay not not
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: doing things or just doing the things that I truly
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: want to do.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I went to the farmer's market yesterday for like five hours.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Five hours.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Well, no, the whole day was five hours, I will say,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: which is a long day for me, as you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to be outside when's a market, uh, farmer's market for
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a couple hours, and then like once a American restaurant,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: which like less.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: It was a little judging five hours was five hours?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Was a long time at the farmers market? It is?
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't I think I was. I was out of
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the house for five hours.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I felt like the.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Damn I was out of the house for five hours.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, which is a long time.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: You want to spend five hours with the farmers market? Girl,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I love a farmer's market.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like finding those spaces for myself unapologetically and
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: knowing my heart and past boundaries has been a lesson
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Now, what is a boundary that you've been enforcing as
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: a recent If something does not serve me, it's a no,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Like there are before I'm like, is this the hill
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I want to die on?
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? It is? But like what specifically? Like what's this?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: What's a specific For example?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: In business in particular, because I spend so much time working,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: if something is not aligning to the purpose of so
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: right now, my main things are financial security. It's always
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: been a top thing. Autonomy is huge for me, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: the money has to be right. So if it's not
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: hitting those three things and it's not one or the other,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it has to hit all three things.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: And if it's not, I don't care who it is.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing What's What's the alternative is that we
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: continue in this cycle, in this little hamster wheel, right,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: a patriarchy of like we're beholden to the next contract
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and we're beholden to the next executive and do they
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: like you have to build stuff for yourself and like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it's been scary to be in a space where I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: building things, where I'm choosing this or that or both
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: at the same time and working more than I ever have,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: but I still have the option to say I'm not available.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: That feels like the most freedom I've had in this
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: industry in almost twenty years, for sure.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again, I feel like everyone is kind of aligning.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I'm having these similar conversations with so many people, but
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I know we all have we have mutual friends who
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: we talk to and we're like, yeah, the goal right now,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I think, for especially for people of our age group,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: is not just to work, like it's to work for purpose.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, and for the bigger picture too.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, Okay, right now, I'm working almost seven
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: days a week and that's fine because I know what
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I know for how long it is. If I need
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to do it for longer, cool, But it's on me
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to decide that. Yeah, not you calling me and saying
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: you have to do this, you have to do that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I'm not. I can't today.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Well, having say over your like what you do and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: when you've been in a business as long as we have, like,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: that's an important, yeah, an important thing to have, And
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it feels very rebellious in itself because we're so used
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: to doing things a certain way.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: What's a goal that you have for yourself personally? This year?
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: This year? My god, in the year's halfway done? Is
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: that crazy? I don't want what what is it?
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It's still May right.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: We put mercury in the microwave and then suddenly we're
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: in June.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Mercury.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Mercury was retrograding quite a few times. So oh, marking
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: in the microwave. My brain is only partially working right now.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's it's running a twenty two per personal goal.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Personal goal.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Health is a big personal goal for me to be
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: really have you have you heard about that thing?
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Forgot what it's called. But they do, like the full
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: body scan.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have them in like church.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: No, we talked about it. They have them here girl.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Where in la in Beverly Hill. I'm sure it's how
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: much is it twenty thousand dollars?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: No, it's twenty so I know you know, yeah, it's
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: on her three K. You're not wrong if we if
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I like, I'll do a whole reel about it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait, we're not doing it for them, call us.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: It's called be Yeah, so what.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Does it do? It scans body, so scants your whole body.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: But it's not just like it's like it checks your organs,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: your spine, your brain. It's really supposed to give you
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: like a total look. Plus blood work comes with it,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the panels, all of it. It gives you a total look,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and it's supposed to help like if there's something early
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: on in some part of your body, it could really
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: start to catch things. It's very preventive, and of course
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: it's cost prohibitive for most people.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: But I'm thinking, I'm like, what's my deductible right now?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: If I wanted to go like a slew of tests,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: it probably come out to the same, if not more
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: than getting this thing done. So I've been doing I'm
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: still deeper, doing a deeper dive. And of course we
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: work about around athletes and they're like, oh, yeah, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: got it done.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, bam.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Because you're wearing twenty five hundred dollars on your pinky finger, right,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you have the worst.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: The rest of us are not in that, in that
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: tax bracket.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, it's I think it is worth it
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: because I really do want to understand and because there
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: is still a massive gap in how much research is
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: done on women's health. I really am very into figuring
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: out what's going on with my body, what's the best
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: course correct, Like, I don't just want to go with
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: every TikTok, you know, snail serum crap. I fully and
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: wholly want to understand what's best for my body and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: how to really be as healthy as I can.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: So health is a really big priority.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: For Yeah, I'm with you.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I talked about it a couple of weeks ago that
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I'm at this place now where like I only want
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to feel good. That's it, Like I only want to
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: feel safe, and I only want to feel good, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I need to make sure that my health aligns with
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: that more so than like what I look like or what.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: I people think I'm supposed to look like. And somebody
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: commented on.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Something I posted the other day and was like, like,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Joy doesn't look like she did in twenty sixteen anymore
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and ten years ago.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, what are you talking about? I look
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the same as I did ten years ago.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And it's not that I like give a fuck about
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: this this idiot, obviously, obviously, but I do think it's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I think it spoke to a bigger conversation about aging
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and how we feel and what we're supposed to look like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and particularly you know, when you're front facing, when you're
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: on camera every day for ten years, as you have been,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: what of.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Course you're going to look different. You're going to feel different.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Your hair is going to change, your body's going to change.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Like, why would you look the same?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I topped off all my hair in twenty sixteen while
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I was working on television to grow up my curls
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: are was insane. It was insane. I'm a completely different human. Yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and we're supposed to be different. We're just supposed to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: be different, yes, entirely, not just physically right, because hello,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: we're all actively aging as we sit in this moment,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and that's not a bad thing. If we're lucky we
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: got If you're right, if you're alive, you're aging.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: What I lost?
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: My Oh my god.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: My mom sent me a picture yesterday of her, probably
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: younger than what I am now, and I was like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: look at this, battye.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: She's like, you're gonna like this picture.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: That was the line she said.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I was like, I know that's right, mom.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Mid nineties full like you know when they used to
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: do like the feathered bangs. Nobody could rock a feather
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: bang like my mom child, what a bayang, the bayang,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: but she had the feathered end, then she had the fringe.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: It was amazing, but it was just like I think
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: about like that the end.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm look, I do botox, I do all those things
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna and I don't care like it's me,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: It's what I've chosen to do. But when I have
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: felt pressure outside pressure of like looking this way and
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to fit like a very specific standard of beauty, right,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: a Eurocentric standard of beauty, whatever that means. Then I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: look at pictures with my mom and I see myself
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: in those pictures and I'm like, I don't want to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: look like anything else.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I want to look like this woman.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe my foreheads frozen shore, right, but outside of that,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, look at this battie, Yeah, like I have
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: her jeans, Like how lucky am I?
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Truly, you went on that hair journey and inspired me
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to do the same, and then I abandoned it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Obviously it's hard. It's very hard. It's like, I'm so
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: proud of you.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: It's so hard, and it's so hard to do it
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: when you're on air, and like when we started in
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the business, your hair was just it was understood that
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: it was supposed to look a certain way. And now
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: obviously the world has changed and representation has changed, and
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: just kind of like, I think what's cool has changed,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and I think that's important. And while you do still
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: get you know, stories of people telling you you look
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: unprofessionals or like you're.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Having a wild hair day and stuff, I.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Do feel like there's been a lot of progress in
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: I think. So do you agree with that? I do?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: And even like I will take the example of Gosh,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: this was probably five years ago, but I had a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: colleague and another black woman, and she was like, you know,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it's summer. We got to we have to cover training camp. Like,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about doing braids, but I don't know if
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: they'll say something. I was like, if who's gonna say something?
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Who if they say, please come to me. I hope
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: they say something to you about wearing braids. But I
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: could understand her hesitation to do that because it wasn't now.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, we do we do the summer braids all.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, raisers, some abraids are loading, summer bids are loading
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: in February when we're running around Super Bowl and I'm
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: not trying to worry about what my hair looks.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Like that week. Braids soon come immediately.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: So it's even in that five year span that has
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: become more normalized because I think there are more of
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: us finally on air and higher, more visible positions that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: are embracing all of these things, and we're just like,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not playing these games.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we're not playing these games.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: There's so few stylists who can actually do our hair
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: at this level, and we don't have time to do
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it ourselves. Like that's what you guys don't understand. I
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: think people are like, Okay, is this just your hair? Like,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: we also have to research thoroughly. We have to pray,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: we have to do the production calls. We then have
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to do camera tests. Sometimes we have to block things
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: for set. Then I have to talk to my analysts
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: make sure we're all aligned. I have to get into
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the rundown. I have to write all of my scripts.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I have to hope that the shot sheets for all
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: the highlights that I'm doing are coming. And you think
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about my hair. That's why they hire hair
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and makeup folks, because we literally, even if we wanted to.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: There's no time at this level to do it. But
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the problem is there's like five women in Los Angeles and.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: We know three of them literally, Joy, I mean you
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: know thoroughly that I have threatened to shave my head
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: multiple times.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Now, this is a real thing. I mean at least
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: once a quarter. Yeah, you put in the group.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I mean it's yeah, yeah, it's I think since especially
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: since twenty twenty, it's become a real mainstay and I
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: don't see it going back really because when I first
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: wore a projective style on air, a lot of people
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: were like texting me and saying some about it. It was
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: the penny I think, yeah, the pandemic because we didn't
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: have hair and makeup in the studio, and I was like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: these are four K cameras. I can't have a piece
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: of hair sticking out like I'm going through I'm regrowing
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: my hair. I'm not putting heat on it. It has
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: to be in grade yeah, or twist or whatever.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I put it in.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: To start the Goddess locks, and yeah, I think like
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that part of it really made a difference. The just
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: kind of the relaxing of looks on air made a difference.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Everything you like, I don't know where are we going.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened there, like yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: But I do think I do think that that has
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: that has.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Stayed ye and I'm grateful for that that And I
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: think a lot of different bodies too, because you go
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: through that as well with wardrobe, where.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Where it's like, what are we talking about? Girl? Like
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: this is the titties are there? There's this what would
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: you like? What would you like me to do? What?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: What would you like me to do?
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I actually, as you know, have never tolerated this conversation.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: But I do know so many women who have gone
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: through absolute horror stories about what to wear on air
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: and like just literally just being abused about it because
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: of their curves and how they exist in the world.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, Uh, It's just always been insane
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: to me. I'm like, first of all, you're welcome. First
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: of all, First of all, you're welcome. Second of all,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: what do you want me to do?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Toroy?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: And you know this because I've put this in the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: group chat, But I have had bosses send a young,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: like frantic, freaked out wardrobe assistant to so a slit
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in a commercial break. I'm like, what did you? First
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: of all, you already knew this look was happening. You
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: technically you approved it. Now, I'm like, I don't ask
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: for approval for anything. I'm a grown ass woman. I've
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: been in this business some way too long. I know
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: what to wear and what.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Not to wear. Yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: One, but I've had that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Happen where they're like no, it's like suddenly it's too much,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: like what and this poor young person is like freaking
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: out trying to and I was like, you know what,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: You're good, We're not we're not doing this is what
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: we're doing.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: I will I will handle it afterwards and it's fine.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Also, like how humiliating. I mean, you know a life
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: set you unfortunately well you know all the stores. But yeah,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: it's it's never been my thing. I can't.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not talking and that's entertaining this conversation.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: That's a mild example, a very mild example. Yeah, I'm
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: not entertaining this conversation because at the end of the day,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: what are we even talking about? What are we talking about?
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Can you see my my pum boom? Can you see
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: my poom boom? No, Okay, let's move on.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Worry about other ship, worry about why this graphics were
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: fucking wrong?
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Why is this?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Why is this stat Why is no one ready?
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: What? What is right now? What is your biggest anxiety
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: about the business?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Before it was the sudden and overwhelming shift of the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: digital space. And it wasn't about embracing the digital space
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: because actually we have been all of our careers. Yeah,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like we are within that group that's like, okay, bet,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I could do that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: I've already been doing it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I think the anxiety is because I still work for
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: major networks and I think they are still actively trying
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: to catch up to the pace in which things are shifting,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: and the reality is nobody knows what they're doing, no one.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Everyone is still trying to figure it out. From the
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: top executive to the intern to the PA, everyone's like,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: what is happening? And I think when that happens and
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: people are in panic mode, there are casualties like they're
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: just are things start to get cut but just get slash.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: There's more leaning on AI.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: When it should be on human beings, and not to
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: say I don't use it, I touch you. BT has
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: helped me tremendously through a Semini Girly the last couple
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: of years. But I think that there is again it's
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: like an over correction because people don't know what the
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: hell is going on. That's my biggest anxiety, Like if
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: everyone can just stop trying to outpace things and be
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: where it is and collectively like, okay, let's take a
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: look at this what is actually working. And sometimes people
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: are looking at metrics, and the metrics change so fast
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and things are and algorithms change every five seconds, it's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: impossible to catch up. Nobody is giving anything a beat
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to settle in, to really catch on, to get a
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: sample size of what is actually working, and so we're
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: just pushing more shit on the audiences and then we
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: complain that they don't have an attention span.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: The no way I mean, I think you make a
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: point like, obviously nobody fucking knows what they're doing, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that's really frustrating. But in some ways, how can you
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: know what you're doing because it's all very new. But
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: if you don't know what you're doing and it's all new,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: then you do need to wait a second and let
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: everything catch up.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: And I feel like for everything that's happening right.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Now in the media space, in the journalism space and
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: the sports space and the influencer space, like everyone's just
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: everyone's trying to see around the corner, but they're not
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: actually inmplutting the information that they're seeing. And it's like
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: everything doesn't have to move in hyperspeed. This isn't a
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: race to the moon. Yeah, Like we can't actually just
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: assess where we are right now, and that just seems
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: like a complete lost art. And when we've moved away
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: from the traditional platforms and the traditional trajectories that we
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: started on that it's it's like the wild West, like
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: anything can happen, and if anything can happen, then we
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: can't predict it.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And that's what because people want to have a cadence,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: they want to have some form of normalcy, a predictive text,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: predictive anything like Okay, well this is the sample size
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: we have from before, so let's just replicate that and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: do it again. And for a long time that's how
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: it worked, but now it's impossible to catch up. I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: find it interesting because we talk all the time about
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: the that sort of like middle ground between what we
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: do on air versus the digital space, versus creators influencers
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, right, and I think
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: that what really worked in twenty re member, there's that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: meme that like, I could be chilling because I didn't
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: want to dance in twenty twenty, Yeah.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: You fucked up. I'm taking actually dance. I should have
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: been doing this little bloom.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Into doing the the I don't eve want to say
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: because I don't want you to look it up.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna look it up.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: But somebody bully me into doing a dance and it
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: was so embarrassing. That was not my calling. But you
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: could be supporting all.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Of us, right, we could, we could be Why didn't
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: you dance on a PJ right now on the wedding?
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Can actually dance? Why didn't you dance?
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: I know it's stupid, my journal, we.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Dumb ass. You guys should have pushed me a little
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: bit harder. We all we'd all be fine, but I
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: do think too savage and well right here, right here,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: and we'd be on a private jet. How did they go?
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember the problem is, here's the thing.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: None of those dances actually have like they're against the
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: beat whatever. That's a whole other dancer situation.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Here's the issue. I send M a dance. She's like,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: learned this?
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Learn this right now because LA has all these like
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: dance studios A sooner into LA, these dance studios where
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: people will learn this elaborate uh choreography.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, MJ, learn this. I can't. Why can't you?
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Because I need so I need to go to the studio.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, on my advantage, I need
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: to go to the studio and to have the teacher
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: in front of me, and I need you to break
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: it down with counts and then with music.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: I need to mirror and.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Then I can get I can't watch it opposite and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: learn it that way because that's not the way that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I learned how to dance. And my brain compare, you're
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: a traditionally, I like, my brain can't even function on
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: basic tasks, let alone like learning choreography.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Start doing dance classes, not classes, but like you should
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: start going to dance. So so mixing a dance here
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: was here's of a fourth my hack, right, here's my hack.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: You know there's nothing I miss more than dance.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: So I had to lean into gen Z, my incredible
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: social media producer Tyra who was a former Dallas Cobost
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: cheerleader and Laker girl. She comes through and she helps
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: me with my social media content and gets me together.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: But we started like finding things. I was like, oh,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Terry should like to teach us how to do this,
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And by us, I mean also my make up artist Christina,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: who's a phenomenal dancer too. So now like part of
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the content. Every now and then you'll see us learning
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: like a little routine. But it gets me back into
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: that flow of dancing. If dancing with the stars whatever,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: call me play.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: The stars, dance with the stars. We are staffing dancing
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: with the stars. Now, Okay, that's what's happening.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: We are we are casting it like dancing with the stars.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Knees of what MJ. It's my dream in life.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: It is really time, It is really and MJ. So
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I would crush that show. Of course she would hurt
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: hip and all you would be brilliant. Yeah, so, MJ.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: One like one of the m.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: J joy lures is that MJ was trying out for
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: uh Miami Dolphins cheerleaders, which was your third time trying out,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: my fifth time time trying out, And I was there
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: and I had a sign she sure did.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I saw the photo and she was number sixty nine.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yepure was And in my mind she danced to this
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: song that.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: She did down that song it was I thought it was.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: It was not sight.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like a woman in my memory, that's what
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: it was. But what was the song?
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I can't even remember what the song was? There was
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: a woman, yeah, like I am woman something like that.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I can barely remember. It was so long ago.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, so then she and she made it,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: so I'm a good luck.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: So no, actually maybe they could say that she's this
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: is the pitch that show.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Dance with Stars.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Luise on Dance with the Stars. It's very silly. Okay,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: she lives in LA. You don't have to pay for browsing.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: They haven't done a broadcaster since Aaron.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: What are you thinking about? You haven't done a broadcaster
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: since Erin think about it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: We called Jason, you can come back for a reunion show.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I know half of the I know half of the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: half of the plea players was it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Jerry Rice would come in a sacket.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: That's the home Jerry. Jerry would come through. We can
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: have a whole NFL, guys. I'm also producing you see
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like this idea, right, don't do it.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I will know you can't steal the idea. No, but anyway, Yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: we should have danced in twenty twenty.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Is the point.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I do want to talk about our group chat because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's so much a part of.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Like our lives.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: We are machic tattoos from our from our group chat.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: The Spice girls, Huh, it's a blood. It is a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: blood oath literally is blood. I mean we didn't share blood.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: But yeah, you got it.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: We weren't run not that weird yet.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but having a like having women friendships and like
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: a strong safe space of womanhood that is like judgment
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: free most of the time and is like a space
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: where you can just vent or like talk about family
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: or talk.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: About men, or talk about work.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: A place to like cry and be happy and like
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: have genuine support or like real advice. I mean us
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: together and our like I would not have survived in
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: this business at all without MJ.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: And I Like.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: I just think that when we talk about relationships, we
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: so often talk about the importance of interpersonal.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Relationships between men and women.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Or women and women, or men and men and whatever
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: is are into and we don't really talk about the
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: importance of friendship as much. Yeah, yeah, and women like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: my female friendships. I don't women friendships. What are we
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: saying these days? Women friendships? We don't like female friends. No,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: we don't like female I think people don't like female
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: because like you can be a female dog, which you
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: can't be a woman dog.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: The social Yeah okay, so like Miranda Priestley, what am
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I not allowed to say?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really give a fuck up, but I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: just I feel like it's weird to say women friends.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: So girlhood, I don't know girlhood.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Girl.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I am a woman, I'm a grown woman, but I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: am also just a girl.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: But I'm just.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Female friendships. Okay, eat a dick. Female friendships are incredibly
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: important to me. Another important to you, But like what
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: has like what has those relationships? Have those relationships like
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: meant to you? Especially right now?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I think the difference too because we have a lot
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: of acquaintances and like we have groups that where we
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: can bond and collaborate over different things, but our and
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I'll just take the example of our group chat in particular,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: because it's not just the group chat. We make it
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: out of the group chat all the time. It's because,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: and I'll only speak for myself. You all have been
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: part of my life for decades, and you have seen
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: so many iterations of me through so many chapters of
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: my life, personally, professionally, at every point, and we've all grown.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: You've seen the worst parts of me, You've seen the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: messy parts of me, the beautiful parts of me, the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: resilient parts of me. And I think that there's so
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: much value in having this, this very deep relationship. There
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: are things that I can talk to you guys about
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: that I can't talk to my husband about, that I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: can't talk to my mom about. You know that it's
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: a level of peace and of confidence that can't be replicated.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: And I think we are the exception, not the rule,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: right in a world where things are so transaction and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: so fluid, like we genuinely pour into each other because
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: we love each other, even if we're pissed at each other,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: annoyed at each other, whatever which happens. We travel together
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: all of that, and it does. It has eclipsed a
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: level of just friendship where it is family, a very
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: chosen family, very intentional family, but that also grew like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: we all came together so and like I can't even
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: remember how long we've had this group cho yeah, you know,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and it's like and it just happened because we are
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: very different people, but we have a core value together
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: and you know, the it's very rare, especially when you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: start friendships in adulthood. You know, we met in our
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: twenties and early twenties, but still like that's yeah, we
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: are adults going no, no, really, I'm still like a
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: forty one year old teenager, but let me have a mortgage.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: But I think it's it's a lifeline beyond anything else,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and it's such a beautiful thing to see. And again,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: having that level of we can be uncomfortable with each other,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: and that's really hard to find in a whirl full
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: of like pleasantries and platitudes that we can just be
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: like bro, what the fuck are you saying right now?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Or like no, actually your buggin or you know what,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: we need a sidebar, like how do we help this person?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: How do we help the other person? Or like we
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: all know that, like birthdays come around, like David, now
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: my husband's like why do I even get you flowers?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Like the girls are going to send such a bigger
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: bouquet than me. And I'm like, first of all, you
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: still need to.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Get the flowers.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he does, yes, but he's like, well, here
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: comes He's like, here comes the bouquet from the Spice girls.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: And it's like this lavish thing and it's like and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: it is. There is a level of like romance to it, right,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Like we do romance each other. Like Jennie's flies into
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: town and I'm picking her up with like a cup
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of coffee. I'm like, I'm picking up from.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Lax, babe. That's love.
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  Speaker 1: That's love. Uh, that's love, and it is it's love.
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  Speaker 1: It's love amongst women. And it's so important to have
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  Speaker 1: now more than ever, to be able to lean on
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  Speaker 1: one another and the way that we have for decades,
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  Speaker 1: almost twenty years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the things I'm most grateful for
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  Speaker 2: in life because I think that when I look at
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  Speaker 2: women like our mothers and our aunts and how they
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  Speaker 2: grew up and how they lived and what they overcame,
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  Speaker 2: and the experiences that they had with men and the
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  Speaker 2: experiences they had with other women, and like just the
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  Speaker 2: level of competition and I don't even have to go
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  Speaker 2: back that far, maybe even just like one generation before
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  Speaker 2: us in the business and why people were always like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't you have female mentors?
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  Speaker 3: Like what? Who? Who? And where? And how like they
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  Speaker 3: don't want to help me, they want to keep their job.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not mad at that, but it was never
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  Speaker 2: And like I do like to give not for nothing,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't. I don't really say these things often,
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  Speaker 2: but I do give our generation.
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  Speaker 3: And specifically me and you.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of credit for intentionally being willing to open
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  Speaker 2: doors for other people and not for the tout of
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  Speaker 2: it all, but because I firmly believe that, like more
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: women in a space is better for all women, and
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  Speaker 2: and I've I've been true to that, and you've been
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  Speaker 2: true to that, and not just in business, but like
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  Speaker 2: in life, and like having a safe space with within
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  Speaker 2: female friendships is like it's just so crucial, and I
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  Speaker 2: it actually breaks my heart when I hear women say
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  Speaker 2: they don't have strong female friendships, because I'm like strong
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: male friendships, Like all day, how so talked to Sorry specs,
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  Speaker 2: we love you, but but I don't want to talk
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  Speaker 2: to men all day.
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  Speaker 3: And I already talked to me all day already talk
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  Speaker 3: to bed all day and they're wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: We love you guys, But like there are there is
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  Speaker 2: like a certain there's just things that you know. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it's great when men have strong, transparent, vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: friendships with other men. Yes, because more of that, Like
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  Speaker 2: you need spaces where you can be emotional and you
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  Speaker 2: can be disheveled, you know, and you can be honest
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  Speaker 2: about what it can be raw and raw. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: it's like, man, it's not so much that I just
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have survived. I certainly wouldn't, but it's like I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine my life like I can't.
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  Speaker 3: They can't take group chats away.
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  Speaker 1: I won't be able to t no no chance, no chance,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes it'll eclips and someone won't be like locked
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  Speaker 1: in but that we're living life, right, but like knowing
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: that there's the comfort of like all right, let me
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  Speaker 1: hop into the group chat or sometimes like a voice note.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite podcast other than two persons jump in.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Like Denise just sent me like a four minute voice
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  Speaker 1: note and I.
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  Speaker 3: Was like, yes, a voice note.
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  Speaker 4: I was like everyone to shut up my shows on I.
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  Speaker 2: Am only cool with a voice note if I have time,
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  Speaker 2: because I never am listening to a voice note for
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: other people.
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  Speaker 4: Ever, I my makeup, so I wasn't able to like,
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  Speaker 4: okay because you.
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  Speaker 2: Can put in yeah, yeah, I've called MJ and given
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: like a full on breakdown dissertation. Yeah, a dissertation. And
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: that's like, it's just it's so important. And I think
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: for young women in the business, like it's hard to say, like,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: fine female friends because it be your own people.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: It be your own people.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: It'd be the other people too, but it'd be everybody
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  Speaker 2: really everyone. But yeah, if you if you have friends
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  Speaker 2: like that, you're just counter blessings because it's it really
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  Speaker 2: is like the most it's it's one of the.
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  Speaker 3: Most important things in my life. Yeah, no question.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: And like to be clear, it's important to have friends
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  Speaker 1: that you don't always that you don't agree with on everything.
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  Speaker 1: Like we push each other, I think to a point
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  Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh man, I wouldn't have looked at
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  Speaker 1: it like that, or you know what, that solidifies what
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  Speaker 1: I already thought. But it's okay to have these differences
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  Speaker 1: and to show each other like outside of the scope
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  Speaker 1: of what because we get so caught up in our
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  Speaker 1: own silos. Outside of the scope of what you're living
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  Speaker 1: and like this is what somebody else is living in.
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  Speaker 4: You guys provide so much perspective for me too.
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  Speaker 1: It's I can't imagine my life without it, Like what
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  Speaker 1: what would I do?
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  Speaker 3: What would I do?
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  Speaker 4: What would we do?
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  Speaker 3: Be in jail? There's so many ask so many things
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: give you out a jail medication.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: Group, chat, nieces, nephews, my niece.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And nephews, so many of them, many fifteen on the way.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It's insane. Every year there's something, Oh, yeah, no, you're out,
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  Speaker 1: the auntie.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out, and we I don't. I won't hear a word.
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  Speaker 2: I won't hear a word about uh, the population dropping.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: The Tailor family has done our part. The Taylor from
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna take one of them as.
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  Speaker 3: My there's fifteen. I already know we won't. I love
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  Speaker 3: all of them.
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  Speaker 4: I know they are so cute.
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  Speaker 3: I love them. I love them all equally.
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  Speaker 1: It is crazy seeing like you're grown adult nephews and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: nieces because I'm like, no, you.
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  Speaker 4: Were this little teter tot.
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  Speaker 3: They're not.
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  Speaker 1: No, they We're just like, excuse you.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: I know, they're so grown. It's so funny, like the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: venue of Isaiah.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm telling your mom put a shirt.
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  Speaker 2: On, like they're they're adults now, and it just happens
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  Speaker 2: like just that fast.
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  Speaker 4: It's crazy. It is grown men and women.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: It's nuts.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: This was amazing. So happy to have you on the couch.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Gunny is taking a nap.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew he would.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: He got for a second and now he's like, oh, okay,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be here for a second.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: This is life. Yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Make sure you check out MJ mj Acosta Ruiz mj
• 1:11:20
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• 1:11:28
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  Speaker 2: on ESPN.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Deport these ye, I love you.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming down making the pilgrimage,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: and hopefully we'll do lunch or something.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Now we can turn off the microphone really get into
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  Speaker 1: the ships.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: No, we get into the ships now. This is the lesson.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: There's no more polish. Get into the ships now.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: But you know there's something I can't talk about on camera.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: This is well, yeah, yes, something's just for us. It's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: it's only one thing and we're not it's I don'ly
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: did it for him Jay.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone else has answer the hard questions. No thanks for
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: coming down.
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  Speaker 4: I let mores leve you out.