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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome. This is Rebecca Shore for Radio Eye and to
- 0:04day I will be reading the Smithsonian Magazine dated September
- 0:07twenty twenty five. As a reminder, Radio I is a
- 0:11reading service intended for people who are blind or have
- 0:14other disabilities that make it difficult to reprinted material. Please
- 0:19join me now for part one of the article titled
- 0:22two years after Cormac MacCarthy's death, Rare access to his
- 0:27personal library reveals the man behind the myth. The famously
- 0:32reclusive novelist amassed a collection of thousands of books, ranging
- 0:36in topics from philosophical treatises to advanced mathematics to The
- 0:41Naked Mule Rat by Richard Grant. Cormac McCarthy, one of
- 0:47the greatest novelists America has ever produced and one of
- 0:51the most private, had been dead for thirteen months when
- 0:54I arrived at his final residence outside Santa Fe, New Mexico.
- 0:58It was a stately old adobe house, two stories high,
- 1:02with beam ends jutting out of the exterior walls, set
- 1:06back from a country road in a valley below the mountains.
- 1:09First built in eighteen ninety two, the house was expanded
- 1:13and modernized in the nineteen seventies and extensively modified by
- 1:17McCarthy himself, who, it turns out, was a self taught
- 1:21architect as well as a master of literary fiction. I
- 1:25was invited to the house by two McCarthy scholars who
- 1:29were embroiled in a herculean endeavor, working unpaid with help
- 1:34from other volunteer scholars and occasional graduate students. They had
- 1:38taken it upon themselves to physically examine and digitally catalog
- 1:43every single book in McCarthy's enormous and chaotically disorganized personal library.
- 1:49They were guessing it contained upwards of twenty thousand volumes.
- 1:53By comparison, Ernest Hemingway, considered a voracious book collector, left
- 1:59behind a person library of nine thousand. What makes McCarthy's
- 2:04library so intriguing is not just its size, nor the
- 2:08fact that very few people know about it. His books,
- 2:12many of which are annotated with margin comments, promised to
- 2:15reveal far more about this elusive literary giant than the
- 2:19few cagey interviews he gave when he was alive. For
- 2:23as long as people have been reading McCarthy, they have
- 2:26speculated about which books and authors informed and inspired his work,
- 2:31a subject he was loath to discuss. They have wondered
- 2:34about his interests and true personality because all he presented
- 2:38to the public was a reclusive, austere, and scrutable facade.
- 2:44When Brian Ginza, a scholar of literature and humanities at
- 2:47Texas Tech University, offered me exclusive journalistic access to McCarthy's
- 2:53library and the cataloging project, what he was really offering
- 2:56was an unprecedented insight into McCarthy's life work. As a
- 3:01further enticement, he said that cormack's younger brother, Dennis McCarthy
- 3:05would be there. Dennis probably knew him as well as
- 3:09any one. Gaimesa said, I parked behind the house between
- 3:13a silver nineteen sixty six Buick Riviera resting on deflated
- 3:17tires and a weathered red Lincoln Mark eight. These were
- 3:22among the last survivors of McCarthy's little known vehicle collection.
- 3:26Dennis had sold thirteen other cars, including two Alared racing
- 3:31cars from the early nineteen fifties, a nineteen ninety two Lotus,
- 3:34and a four g T forty racing car. McCarthy, who
- 3:39labored in obscurity and chronic poverty until he was sixty,
- 3:43became a multi millionaire later in life, and freely indulged
- 3:47his desires and obsessions, with classic sports cars high on
- 3:50the list. Most of the money came from Hollywood, which
- 3:54turned three of his novels, All the Pretty Horses, No
- 3:58Country for Old Men, and The Road into star studded movies.
- 4:03I knocked on the imposing front door, an Indo Portuguese
- 4:06antique made of teak and fortified with iron strappings, metal studs,
- 4:11flattened veils, and small chains. There was no response, so
- 4:15I tried the handle. The door swung open and revealed
- 4:18a dimly lit hallway reduced to a narrow passage by
- 4:22head high stacks of cardboard boxes on both sides. All
- 4:26those boxes were packed with books. The first room off
- 4:30the hallway, the room where McCarthy died at age eighty nine,
- 4:34was now so crammed with book boxes that it was impenetrable.
- 4:38Scholars called it the Beast Room. The next room was
- 4:42nearly as full. One open box showed volumes about the
- 4:46architect Frank Lloyd Wright, country houses in Ireland, Schizophrenia, African history,
- 4:53and British antique. Rifle barrels. In the dining room underneath
- 4:57a beautiful hanging light fixture of wood and colored glass
- 5:01that McCarthy designed and built himself. Scholars were sitting at
- 5:04the table scanning books, isbn barcodes through their phones into
- 5:09the library, catalog and software on their laptops. I found
- 5:13Ginza in the living room wrestling with an Internet connectivity problem.
- 5:19Kormack didn't have a WiFi in the house, so we
- 5:22had to bring our own, he said. Nor did McCarthy
- 5:25use a computer. Ever. He typed out his pages on
- 5:28a cheap, durable Olivetti typewriter, and I learned later did
- 5:33most of his work propped up on pillows in bed.
- 5:36The living room, like the house in general, had a sturdy,
- 5:40old fashioned and decidedly masculine fuel, but its clean lines
- 5:44were obscured by a chaotic overlay of clutter, mainly books,
- 5:48but also piles of nameless junk and hundreds of bulls,
- 5:52glasses and kitchenware items still in their packaging. Some of
- 5:56the book boxes and loose books had been moved into
- 5:59the room for a cataloging project, but not the rest
- 6:02of it. One of the first discoveries made by the
- 6:05visiting scholars was that McCarthy was something of a hoarder.
- 6:09His particular fixation on kitchenware, much of it bargain kitchenware,
- 6:14remains mysterious and a mark of his eccentricity. The second
- 6:19major discovery discernible in his work, but confirmed beyond doubt
- 6:23in his library, was that McCarthy was a genius level
- 6:26intellectual polymath with an insatiable curiosity. His interests ranged from
- 6:32quantum physics, which he taught himself by reading one hundred
- 6:36ninety books on the notoriously challenging subject, to whale biology, violins,
- 6:42obscure corners of French history in the early Middle Ages,
- 6:45the highest levels of advanced mathematics, and almost any other
- 6:49subject you can name. Gimeza marveled at the heavy duty
- 6:53philosophy books they were finding. Seventy five titles by or
- 6:57about Wittgenstein so far, he said, referring to the Austrian
- 7:02philosopher of mathematics, logic, language, and the mind, and most
- 7:07of them are annotated, meaning Carmack read them closely. A
- 7:10lot of hegel That was his light evening reading. Apparently,
- 7:15in the living room was a pool table piled with
- 7:18books and a leather couch facing two tall windows and
- 7:21three sets of nine foot tall wooden book shelves designed
- 7:24by McCarthy that held approximately one thousand books. Moving closer,
- 7:30I saw there were nearly all non fiction hardbacks, with
- 7:33no obvious system of organization. One shelf held volumes about
- 7:38meso American history and archaeology, along with Charles Darwin's collected
- 7:43note books, Victor Klemperer's three volume Diary of the Nazi Years,
- 7:48books about organic chemistry and sports cars, and an obscure
- 7:52volume titled The Biology of the Naked mul Rat, Monographs
- 7:56in Behavior and Ecology. Another shelf held book about Grand
- 8:00Prix and Formula one racing, a great passion of McCarthy's,
- 8:05and the collected writings of Charles s Pearce, the American scientist,
- 8:09philosopher and logician, in six fat volumes of dense, difficult prose.
- 8:15Trying to take it all in, I felt both fascinated
- 8:18and overwhelmed. It seemed almost inconceivable that an author who
- 8:22produced twelve novels, two plays, and five screenplays had also
- 8:27found the time, energy and brain power to master architecture, woodworking, stonemasonry,
- 8:33and a wide range of intellectual disciplines. Some of his
- 8:37math books were nearly all equations. Then we found an
- 8:41intricate drawing he'd made for an engine modification to one
- 8:45of his cars, and another showing how to rifle a
- 8:48gun barrel with hand tools. We found dozens of well
- 8:52thumbed engine repair manuals and auto mechanics tools in the outbuildings,
- 8:57and learned that he could disassemble, reassemble, and redesign an
- 9:01engine to increase its horse power. Then I learned he
- 9:05had an idetic memory and could remember nearly everything he
- 9:09had read or heard, including the lyrics to thousands of songs.
- 9:13McCarthy was starting to seem like a man whose talents
- 9:17and intelligence were without limits, Yet he lived in a
- 9:20hoarder's shambles and couldn't stop buying nonstick skillets and fruit bowls.
- 9:26By studying his library work closely, I hoped to gain
- 9:29a better understanding of McCarthy, but it was possible the
- 9:33mystery of his character would only deepen. Gimza introduced me
- 9:38to his colleague Stacy Peebles, a professor of film and
- 9:41English at Center College in Danville, Kentucky, and the current
- 9:45president of the Kuromac McCarthy Society. It was Peebles, who
- 9:49first met with Dennis McCarthy, the author's brother and literary executor,
- 9:54and suggested that the Society take on the monumental task
- 9:58of cataloging the books. The society's mission is to further
- 10:02the study and appreciation of McCarthy's work, and Peebles thought
- 10:07there was enough material in the library to keep scholars
- 10:10busy for decades scrutinizing the annotations, tracing connections between the
- 10:15research books and passages in the novels, interpreting literary and
- 10:20philosophical influences. If we were a well funded institution, we'd
- 10:25take all these boxes into an empty building where we
- 10:28had plenty of space to work, a dedicated team of people,
- 10:31and all the time we needed, she said. But Peebles
- 10:34and her small team all have full time jobs, so
- 10:37the project has required a trade off between detail and efficiency.
- 10:43We can't be as meticulous as we'd like and scan
- 10:46all the annotations because we've got limited time and a
- 10:49massive amount of books to get through. McCarthy often had
- 10:53a pencil when he was reading and would make tiny
- 10:56vertical marks next to sentences that interested him, and add
- 10:59com comments in the margins in small print handwriting. Sometimes
- 11:04he shotted down thoughts on slips of paper that he
- 11:06left between the pages. Inside The Life of Saint Teresa
- 11:11of avela by herself, first published in fifteen sixty five,
- 11:15we found him musing philosophically. There is an intelligence to
- 11:19the universe of which we are fractal, and that intelligence
- 11:23has a character, and that character is benign, intends well
- 11:27toward all things. How could it not. McCarthy is known
- 11:31for the bleak, violent nihilism in many of his novels,
- 11:35so it was a surprise to see him describing the
- 11:37universe as intelligent and well intentioned. He was a lapsed
- 11:42Catholic who went back and forth on the question of
- 11:44God's existence, sometimes changing his mind from one day to
- 11:49the next. Peebles was collecting her favorite annotated books on
- 11:53the pool table. One was Realism and Mathematics by Penelope Mattie.
- 11:59In the Marks Margins, McCarthy summarizes the author's points and
- 12:03comments on them, frequently disagreeing gibberish. He noted at one
- 12:07point it was an exciting find for the scholars because
- 12:11McCarthy mined this book deeply for his final novel, Stella Maris.
- 12:17Its protagonist, Alicia Western, is a young mathematical genius with schizophrenia.
- 12:23Another of people's favorite finds is an annotated copy of
- 12:27Shakespeare's Hamlet. McCarthy, who once said the ugly fact as
- 12:31books are made out of books, borrowed in altered elements
- 12:35from Hamlet for his nineteen seventy nine novel Suttry. It
- 12:40was his most ornate and poetic book, and the closest
- 12:43he ever came to writing autobiographically. The main character is
- 12:47a troubled dropout who has rejected a life of privilege
- 12:51and responsibility in Knoxville, Tennessee, where McCarthy grew up as
- 12:55the black sheep among six children in a well to
- 12:58do Catholic family with t wrong Irish roots. He was
- 13:02born in nineteen thirty three and christened Charles Joseph McCarthy
- 13:06junior after his father. In his youth, he was known
- 13:09as Charlie or sometimes Doc, until he changed his name
- 13:13to Cormac as a young man, partly inspired by the
- 13:16medieval Irish king Cormac Macert. The name change was probably
- 13:21also a declaration of independence from his father. Charles McCarthy
- 13:26senior was an attorney who became the chief counsel for
- 13:29the Tennessee Valley Authority, and Cormac always characterized him as
- 13:34a domineering, violent man who beat him viciously for trivial offenses.
- 13:40His brother Denis disputes this description and says that Cormac
- 13:44was grossly exaggerating. MacCarthy told his own son John and
- 13:49some of his friends that the beatings started when he
- 13:52was three years old. Readers and critics have often wondered
- 13:56where the darkness and violence in MacCarthy's work comes from,
- 14:00and if Cormac's characterization is true, his childhood might account
- 14:04for some of it. He loved his mother, Gladys, but
- 14:08she was psychologically fragile and frequently absent from the family
- 14:12in mental health institutions. He hated his Catholic school and
- 14:17loved roaming outdoors. Talking about his school days in a
- 14:20rare nineteen ninety two interview, MacCarthy said, there was no hobby.
- 14:25I didn't have name anything, no matter how esoteric I
- 14:29had found it and dabbled in it. He made money
- 14:32trapping muskrats around Knoxville and selling the pelts, and somehow
- 14:36also established himself as an authority on antique American rifles.
- 14:42In nineteen fifty three, McCarthy dropped out of the University
- 14:45of Tennessee, where he was studying engineering and physics, and
- 14:49joined the Air Force. He was stationed in Anchorage, where
- 14:53he became the radio disc jockey for the base and
- 14:56started reading in earnest in his spare time. After four
- 15:00he returned to the University of Tennessee, but dropped out
- 15:03again and started writing novels. The first three, The Orchard Keeper,
- 15:09Outer Dark, and Child of God, were Gothic tales set
- 15:13in the rural Appalachia he knew from his youth. In
- 15:16lyrical prose with marvelously rendered vernacular speech, they tackled dark
- 15:21subjects murder, infanticide, incest, necrophilia, while displaying a reverence for
- 15:27nature and folk traditions. The fourth novel was Sutry, McCarthy's
- 15:32richly comedic evocation of nineteen fifties Knoxville. These novels earned
- 15:38critical praise and prestigious grants and awards, but each sold
- 15:42more poorly than the last. One of the few details
- 15:46we have about McCarthy's personal life comes from his second wife,
- 15:50Ann Delile, an English singer and dancer, whom he met
- 15:54on a ship to Ireland in nineteen sixty five. Their
- 15:58home was a partially converted dear Mary Barne outside Knoxville.
- 16:02They bathed in a lake. Some one would call up
- 16:04and offer him two thousand dollars to come speak at
- 16:07a university about his books, she once said, and he
- 16:10would tell them that everything he had to say was
- 16:13there on the page, So we would eat beans for
- 16:15another week after leaving her without an explanation. In nineteen
- 16:20seventy four, MacCarthy drifted around cheap motels with his typewriter,
- 16:24a pile of books, and a light bulb for good
- 16:26reading light. In nineteen seventy six, MacCarthy took up residence
- 16:31in El Paso and turned his attention on the American
- 16:34Southwest and northern Mexico, setting himself the task of learning
- 16:39the culture, history, natural history, geology, folk ways, and distinctive
- 16:44Spanish idioms of the borderlands. According to a letter he wrote,
- 16:49MacCarthy read over three hundred books to research Blood Meridian
- 16:53nineteen eighty five, an ultra violent philosophical western based on
- 16:58the true story of a state funded scalp hunting gang
- 17:02in the eighteen forties and eighteen fifties. Now widely regarded
- 17:06as his greatest masterpiece, it sold a pitiful one thousand,
- 17:09eight hundred and eighty three copies when it was first published.
- 17:13MacCarthy's fortunes changed with the publication of All the Pretty
- 17:17Horses in nineteen ninety two. This elegiac western, set in
- 17:22nineteen forty nine and nineteen fifty in Texas and Mexico,
- 17:26became a bestseller, won a National Book Award, and was
- 17:30adapted into a movie starring Matt Damon and Penelope Cruise.
- 17:35MacCarthy followed with two more novels about drifting cowboys, then
- 17:39shifted course with No Country for Old Men two thousand five,
- 17:43a crime thriller that the Cohen Brothers turned into a
- 17:46quadruple Oscar winning movie starring Josh Brolin, Javier Bardin, and
- 17:51Tommy Lee Jones. Next came The Road, a post apocalyptic
- 17:57father son journey that won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction
- 18:00in two thousand seven and was made into a film
- 18:03with Vigo Mortensen playing the father. McCarthy had moved to
- 18:07Santa Fe with his third wife, Jennifer Winkley, and their
- 18:11young son John in two thousand one. He found the
- 18:15town off putting lee liberal, moneyed and artsy, and moved
- 18:19there for only one reason. His great friend Murray Gellman,
- 18:23the Nobel Prize winning physicist, invited him to join the
- 18:27Santa Fe Institute, serving as a sort of in house
- 18:30literary intellectual. This elite scientific think tank, co founded by
- 18:35gell Mann, brings together some of the world's most brilliant
- 18:39minds to research complex, interconnected systems. McCarthy had long preferred
- 18:44the company of scientists to that of literary people, and
- 18:48he delighted in the high flying conversations at the Institute.
- 18:52He went there nearly every day to work on his
- 18:54writing and kept up with all the institute's scientific research.
- 18:59Macar Dorothy was famous for refusing to discuss his work,
- 19:03so there was widespread amazement in literary quarters when he
- 19:07agreed to do a televised interview in two thousand and
- 19:10seven with Oprah Winfrey, who had picked the Road as
- 19:13her book club selection. Viewers saw a courteous, gray haired
- 19:18Southerner with a high domed forehead and a flashing smile.
- 19:22When Oprah asked if he was passionate about writing, he replied,
- 19:26passionate sounds like a pretty fancy word. Oprah, knowing it
- 19:30was true, asked if The Road was a love story
- 19:33to his young son John in a way, I suppose
- 19:37that's kind of embarrassing, he said. She made slightly better
- 19:40headway on the subject of punctuation. McCarthy didn't use quotation marks,
- 19:46hated semi colon's, and kept commas to the barest minimum.
- 19:50There's no reason to block the page up with weird
- 19:52little marks, he said. If you write properly, you shouldn't
- 19:56have to punctuate. McCarthy could pull it off because as
- 20:00he was a virtuoso renowned for his powers of description
- 20:03and ear for dialogue. The Nobel Prize winning novelist Saul
- 20:07Bellow extolled McCarthy's absolutely overpowering use of language his life
- 20:13giving and death dealing sentences. MacCarthy's detractors, meanwhile, found his
- 20:19writing overly mannered, his characters overly masculine, and accused him
- 20:23of relishing the violence he wrote about so vividly. When
- 20:27MacCarthy died in June twenty twenty three, after battling leukemia,
- 20:32prostate cancer, dehydration, and what he once called the sheer
- 20:36velocity of time, the accolades were immediate and fulsome. Stephen
- 20:41King called him the last great white male American novelist.
- 20:46Sebastian Junger compared him to Mount Everest. The Guardian headlined
- 20:51its remembrance with the prophecy, his work will sing down
- 20:54the centuries. Dennis McCarthy, the youngest of the six children,
- 21:00his Way through the book choked Hallway into the books
- 21:03strewn living room. A retired lawyer, editor and conservation biologist,
- 21:08Denis published his first novel in twenty twenty one, a
- 21:11spiritual western about Billy the Kid, now eighty one. He
- 21:16was fit and trim, with blue eyes, a radiant smile,
- 21:19and a strong resemblance to Kormac. He was my best
- 21:23friend for seventy years, and a fabulous older brother who
- 21:26always looked out for me. He said, we were very,
- 21:29very close. I asked him about which authors his brother
- 21:33most admired. Moby Dick was Kormak's favorite book, without question,
- 21:38and Faulkner was more of an influence than he liked
- 21:40to admit. He said he loved him, Ingway's short stories,
- 21:44James Joyce, Tostoyevsky, and Shakespeare. Of course, readers and scholars
- 21:49had already identified these literary forbears, but it was satisfying
- 21:53to hear them confirmed. Of the many thousands of books
- 21:57in the house, the basement, and the outbuildings, how many
- 22:00had MacCarthy actually read. If you exclude the encyclopedias and
- 22:05reference books, I would guess about eighty five percent. Dennis said.
- 22:09Cormac kept on ordering books after he was too sick
- 22:13and frail to read because it was a compulsion. But
- 22:16until that point he would read for hours and hours
- 22:19nearly every day. He never left the house without a book.
- 22:23He never left the house without a gun. Both were
- 22:26equally unthinkable. Why was he always armed? He was a
- 22:30conservative country boy from the South who understood that the
- 22:34world is a dangerous place. When he was twenty four,
- 22:37McCarthy accidentally shot himself in the leg while practicing alone
- 22:41on a gun range in Tennessee. Dennis didn't know any
- 22:44more details because his brother refused to discuss the incident,
- 22:48but it was likely a quick draw gone wrong. When
- 22:52I asked Dennis about his brother's reputation as a recluse,
- 22:55he said it was totally inaccurate. He was very sociable
- 22:59and could get along with anybody well almost anybody. He
- 23:03didn't suffer fools gladly or people who rushed up to
- 23:06him gushing about his books. But he had a lot
- 23:09of friends, and he loved dining in conversation and five
- 23:12hour lunches that sometimes turned into ten hour lunches. Those
- 23:17friends included physicists and quark discoverers Gell Mann and George Swig,
- 23:22the whale biologist Roger Payne, the movie star Josh Brolin,
- 23:27plus a bar owner and Tucson who calls himself God,
- 23:30and a silver tongued con man from Knoxville named John Sheddon,
- 23:35who appears exactly as himself under his own name in
- 23:38MacCarthy's penultimate novel, The Passenger. Rolin got to know McCarthy
- 23:43during the filming of No Country for Old Men and
- 23:46was at the author's bedside the night before he died.
- 23:50It was me, his ex wife, his son John, and
- 23:53that was it, Brolin tells me on the phone. He
- 23:55was telling these wild stories about drinking wine with Andrea
- 23:59the Giant in Paris, and all this stuff was coming
- 24:02out totally lucid, sharp, funny inspired. Then he would go
- 24:06into this lost dementia and he'd be grabbing at stuff
- 24:10that wasn't there. Then he'd go to sleep, and then
- 24:13he'd wake up and tell another story. Soon after Brolin left,
- 24:18MacCarthy drew his final breath. McCarthy's son, John, the model
- 24:22for the boy character in the Road, was now twenty
- 24:26six and sleeping in his father's old bedroom upstairs. He's
- 24:29a licensed pilot, a composer, and a musician. The first
- 24:34time I met John, he was coming sleepily down the
- 24:37wooden stairs in search of coffee. I had just learned
- 24:40that Dennis had emptied two storage units full of books
- 24:43in Albaso and two more in Santa Fe and moved
- 24:47the boxes into the house for cataloging. So I'm getting
- 24:50a totally unrealistic picture of what the house was like
- 24:54when you were growing up here, I said to John,
- 24:57not really, He said, this is pretty much how it was.
- 25:00Boxes everywhere, piles of books everywhere, The hallway stacked up
- 25:04with boxes, with the little path through the middle, Whole
- 25:07rooms so full of books you couldn't go in there.
- 25:10It didn't bother me at all. It was John who
- 25:13told me that McCarthy worked in bed a California king
- 25:17with high thread count sheets. The olivetty on a wooden
- 25:20platform with a leather pillow underneath it and piles of
- 25:24typed pages magazines, books, and catalogs. Writing, McCarthy once said,
- 25:30was not a conscious process for him. He put a
- 25:33blank piece of paper in the olivetty, the words arrived
- 25:36and he typed them down. But that was just the
- 25:39first stage of an extensive rewriting and structuring process, and
- 25:43some of his books took twenty years or more to
- 25:46get right. Dad didn't like being interrupted when he was
- 25:49working or when he was reading. John said, no, no, no,
- 25:53I'm reading. Go away, he would say. But he was
- 25:56a great father, always there for me, and I learned
- 25:59so much from him. We would have these long conversations
- 26:02about science and history and music and whatever else. And
- 26:06he was the funniest person I've ever met, just a
- 26:09natural comedian. I asked John what else his father collected
- 26:13apart from books, cars and kitchenware. I would say clothes
- 26:18were the other big one. He had hundreds of tweed jackets,
- 26:22hundreds of shirts, hundreds of suits that he'd never worn.
- 26:26John once spent three days dragging stuff out of a
- 26:29room he wanted to use as a bedroom. When I
- 26:32was done, I said, you ever think you might be
- 26:34a little bit of a hoarder, and he looks at
- 26:36me and goes, yeah. Probably he attributed it to all
- 26:40those years when he had no money. Dennis isn't buying
- 26:44that explanation. Kormack always lived in chaos, which I found
- 26:48fascinating because he had such a fabulous artistic sense. He
- 26:53could design things beautifully and he dressed impeccably, but his
- 26:56living quarters were always a disaster. He was an incredibly
- 27:00complicated individual. The cataloging scholars could only spare four or
- 27:05five days at a time, then they would go back
- 27:08to their jobs for a few months and try to
- 27:10carve out another long weekend. In New Mexico, the stalwarts
- 27:15were Peebles and Rick and Jonathan Elmore, whip smart twin
- 27:19brothers who looked nothing alike, taught at different colleges, and
- 27:22wrote academic papers together about McCarthy's work. The cataloging was dusty, repetitive,
- 27:29eye straining work, but it was conducted with good humor
- 27:32and camaraderie, and you never knew what might come out
- 27:35of the next box. One afternoon, after looking through a
- 27:39batch of Cistercian abbeys, violin makers, metaphysics, meta ontology, the
- 27:45Incesse Taboo, and the material foundations of ancient Mesopotamian civilization.
- 27:50I said, was there anything he wasn't interested in? This
- 27:55concludes readings from the Smithsonian Magazine for today. Your reader
- 27:59had it has been Rebecca Shore. Thank you for listening,
- 28:02and have a great day.