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Breaking Down the Big Week 7 Games · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, Welcome to Move the Sticks. It's d
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  Speaker 2: J buck in a very happy ret. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why he's smiling so much. He's he's fired up to
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  Speaker 2: be here.
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  Speaker 1: Guys might be here, you know, just uh excited. Got
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  Speaker 1: to hang out with Bucky on Sunday for NFL Live
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  Speaker 1: for Remember we used to have the old Move the
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  Speaker 1: Sticks team on Game Day Live.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, while didn't get the complimentary peaces that we used
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  Speaker 3: to get on that show.
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  Speaker 4: I just had to sit up in here and.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, they used to Man, that was big.
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  Speaker 4: That was big.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think none of them because Lionel is no
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  Speaker 1: longer with us to bring the pizzas out and he
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  Speaker 1: slipped one pan pizzas took a tumble.
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  Speaker 2: That was unfortunate. That was That was a great effort,
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  Speaker 2: but it was tough. We're going to get into these games.
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  Speaker 2: We always pull out eight games. We dig dig into
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  Speaker 2: those a little deeper and then we'll have some comments
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  Speaker 2: on some of the other ones. At the end, it
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  Speaker 2: was a man, it was a short night here. I
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  Speaker 2: can't complain because I've got rhet who's going back and
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  Speaker 2: forth to Indiana and doing big ten games every single week.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of travel there.
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  Speaker 2: I've got Bunk who's done two international trips where he
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  Speaker 2: decided that he needed to come home in between those.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to complain about the early am
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  Speaker 2: arrival after the afternoon game became the city. But it
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  Speaker 2: was a It was a long day, not only from
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  Speaker 2: a travel standpoint, but a long day for the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: They lose thirty one to seventeen to the Chiefs, the
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  Speaker 2: rare two score game for the Chargers. You don't see
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  Speaker 2: many of those. Those are like a bigfoot, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it usually comes down.
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  Speaker 4: I was like a game out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird, but again you had it was
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  Speaker 2: really a one score game down to the very end
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  Speaker 2: till a punt return by the Chiefs by Mikole Hardman
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  Speaker 2: put them in position to make a two score game late.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a lot to get to with this. I
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  Speaker 2: will look at it. I'll look at it from the
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  Speaker 2: Charger side of things, and I'll start just kind of
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  Speaker 2: the tail of two halves. Man, you had an offense
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  Speaker 2: that was up and down the field in the first half.
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  Speaker 2: Feeling good about it, in the defense was terrible. In
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  Speaker 2: the second half. You had a defense that made some
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  Speaker 2: I thought some pretty obvious adjustments that needed to be made,
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  Speaker 2: I e. Playing for the man coverage, yeah, and given
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  Speaker 2: Derwin James a chance to match up well with Travis Kelce.
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  Speaker 2: And then so the defense gets better than offense. Can't
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  Speaker 2: move the ball. They had favorable field position off of
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  Speaker 2: some defensive stops, could not do anything with it. So
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  Speaker 2: just kind of an unconnected game. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the defense and Buck, I want to get
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  Speaker 2: to you on this one. I'm trying to look at
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  Speaker 2: this thing and try and make sense of it. And
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that's frustrating calling the Charger games
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  Speaker 2: every week is I feel like, man, they get hit
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  Speaker 2: with the right hand a lot. Like when you're going
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  Speaker 2: to play the Miami Dolphins, your attention probably should be
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  Speaker 2: on Tyreek Hill and trying to take him away he
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  Speaker 2: goes over two hundred yards. When you're playing the Dallas Cowboys,
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  Speaker 2: you let Ceedee Lamb get loose. Micah Parsons is where
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  Speaker 2: you should focus your attention. Like, Hey, anybody else beats us,
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  Speaker 2: but Michah Parsons has the two big rushes at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the game that end up stealing the game.
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  Speaker 2: Max Crosby, even in a win, I think had two
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  Speaker 2: sacks against him. Justin Jefferson goes for one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty yards, including big plays Like I feel like if
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  Speaker 2: you go into that game yesterday and sky Moore has
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty yards.
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  Speaker 4: And he beats you, he beats you. You live with that.
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  Speaker 2: But to come out and play so much his own coverage,
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  Speaker 2: to come out and give free access to Kelsey and
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  Speaker 2: then I mean, I freeze the picture I sent you guys,
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  Speaker 2: some of the screen grabs when you freeze it on
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  Speaker 2: third down, which is when he should be getting attention
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  Speaker 2: every down he's on the field. But on third down
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  Speaker 2: there's nobody within ten yards of him in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field. He's running spot routes. There's no magic
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  Speaker 2: to it. He's run spot routes. There's nobody assigned to him.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think, Man, after a game, you get
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  Speaker 2: on the plane and fly home, Buck and you go,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, man, we hey last year in a game,
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  Speaker 2: Derwin James matched up with him, he beat him and
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  Speaker 2: got a touchdown late, and I sleep, I would sleep fine.
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  Speaker 2: You know what we put our best on their best.
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  Speaker 2: He got us, but to just give free access, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's funny. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So we're in the midst of this period where everyone
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  Speaker 3: is kind of taking shots at Bill Belichick. But the
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  Speaker 3: one thing that we are respect about Belichick is his
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  Speaker 3: ability to make the opponent play left handed. And we've
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  Speaker 3: seen him use basically the pub return coverage where he'll
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  Speaker 3: vice up a marque player to make sure that, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's not in play, he's done any critical downs.
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  Speaker 3: He's the master of double coverage tactics. He will not
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  Speaker 3: if he can control it. He's not going to allow
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  Speaker 3: your best player to have a big day. And a
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  Speaker 3: lot of coaches are reluctant to kind of sell out
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  Speaker 3: or kind of revamp what they normally do to take
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  Speaker 3: that player away.
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  Speaker 4: And I understand, Hey, we're just going to do what
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  Speaker 4: we do and.
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  Speaker 3: How that's been successful for some But I guess the
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City the Chiefs to me this year, in particular,
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  Speaker 3: when Travis Kelce is the main event, Gosh, you gotta
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  Speaker 3: let MVS or somebody else beach. You can't let him
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  Speaker 3: have not only have twelve kids, but he can't go
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  Speaker 3: over one hundred yards in the first half. Like, it
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  Speaker 3: has to be something where you try to take away
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  Speaker 3: something to make them uncomfortable, make them go farther down
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  Speaker 3: the place. She don't let them just stop it at
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  Speaker 3: segment A. Make them at least get the B or C.
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  Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you this quick follow up,
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  Speaker 2: why would you not just play two man against that
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  Speaker 2: team and say if they if and challenge Andy Reid
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  Speaker 2: to be patient with Isaiah Pacheco and say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if they want to Pacheco to run the ball thirty times,
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  Speaker 2: then we'll take our chances. You know, we're gonna play
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  Speaker 2: two man and we're just gonna say, okay, that's because
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  Speaker 2: that is like fuck just from a seven on seven
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  Speaker 2: culture standpoint, like that's the best. If your playing team's
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  Speaker 2: gonna throw the ball, that's the best. That's the best
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  Speaker 2: coverage you can run.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can do it. You can do it
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  Speaker 4: all day like and.
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  Speaker 5: Simple too.
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  Speaker 2: There's simple hesitation. There's no thinking I've got him, I've
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  Speaker 2: got help.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: I've got him, I've got help, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: It should be very very simple, and it should be
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  Speaker 3: a thing that you do. And I remember Todd Bowle
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  Speaker 3: said this when they knocked them off in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: He said, if Pat.
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  Speaker 3: Mahomes runs four hundred yards, we'll live with But they're
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  Speaker 3: not going to beat just because he runs four hundred
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  Speaker 3: yards because that's not what they want to do. We're
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  Speaker 3: not going to give up the explosives. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: take away their main options. And that's what they did.
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  Speaker 3: And look, the Chargers had the game, therefore him because
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  Speaker 3: the game was even Stephen, but you have to you
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  Speaker 3: cannot allow Travis Kelsey to go be it because no
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  Speaker 3: one else is capable of really have any moster day.
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  Speaker 4: Let somebody else have a monster day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I will just say, because you guys covered it,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, it seems odd right that year,
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  Speaker 1: but that it also feels like that's part of the
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  Speaker 1: philosophy here with the way that Brandon Staley wants to
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  Speaker 1: do things defensively. Right, it was like, okay, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to completely change what we do based on
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  Speaker 1: one guy. What we do works and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: work it and you know, have a plan and work
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  Speaker 1: the plan, right, But I will say, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: did force Britney Mahomes and Travis Kelsey's significant other now
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  Speaker 1: you might know her name, to adjust their new celebratory
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  Speaker 1: handshake like they had to because of the way that
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey was working in the first half. They had to
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  Speaker 1: come up with a new adjustment on the handshakee because
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  Speaker 1: they were executing it so many times. So they were
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  Speaker 1: able to adjust in the first half with the celebrations,
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  Speaker 1: which meant that things were probably going pretty well for
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  Speaker 1: number eighty seven in Red. I mean, it's just incredible
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  Speaker 1: the way that they they're able to continue to find,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that chemistry. I'm trying to think back, like
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  Speaker 1: if we go back to Brady Gronks.
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  Speaker 2: Kelsey better, it's different, it's different, It's totally I think
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  Speaker 2: it's different.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's different. I would say the difference is
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  Speaker 3: in my first glance there's more freestyle than more. I
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  Speaker 3: would say, you know, they color outside the lines and yeah, improvisation,
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  Speaker 3: that's true. I felt like it was the Gronk was great,
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  Speaker 3: but I felt like it was playing. It was scripted.
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  Speaker 3: How they by how he got Like with Kansas City,
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  Speaker 3: I think the part of part of the problem and
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  Speaker 3: dealing with him is you just never know where Travis
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  Speaker 3: Kelsey's gonna because I don't even know if his quarterback knows.
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  Speaker 4: But they played all the time. Yeah, so Gronk was
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  Speaker 4: Gronk was different. Though.
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  Speaker 2: Gronk was contested catches and run after catch like you
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  Speaker 2: could not physically get him on the ground. There's all
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  Speaker 2: the players of guy's bouncing off of him as he
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  Speaker 2: just kind of rumbling down the field, hanged bodies hanging
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  Speaker 2: on him like that. Kelsey is gonna work in zones
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  Speaker 2: and strace, He's gonna separate at the top of his route.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna get what he gets, but like he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to You're not gonna run guys over. And then
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  Speaker 2: in the run game, it's not even I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: not even close.
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  Speaker 5: No, I just meant. I just meant on chemistry with
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  Speaker 5: quarterback in tight end, that's all.
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  Speaker 2: They have, unbelievab chemistry. There was a next inst that
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  Speaker 2: that they had completed like twenty nine straight balls when targeted.
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes had completed twenty nine straight to Kelsey, think about
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  Speaker 2: how crazy that is. They had the probability of like
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  Speaker 2: point zero three percent of that happening. Like that's that's
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  Speaker 2: how stupid it was, And I do want to say
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  Speaker 2: one thing as we move on here. The Chiefs defense
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  Speaker 2: is it is the one of the best versions of
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  Speaker 2: that defense that I've seen, and they've had Super Bowl defenses.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that they do that I love,
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  Speaker 2: Like you watch a guy like Lugerius snead Buck. They
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  Speaker 2: get the hands on people every snap, like they don't
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  Speaker 2: give free access. In a league where so much of
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  Speaker 2: the passing game is rhythm and timing based, it seems
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  Speaker 2: like it's not that you know, complicated that it's it
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  Speaker 2: helps when you can get your hands on guys and
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  Speaker 2: reroute them just a little bit. Now, they still give
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  Speaker 2: up some explosives down the field because Chargers have players,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't make it easy on you defensively.
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  Speaker 4: So it's funny, DJ you talked about that.
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  Speaker 3: It is one of the things that drives me crazy,
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  Speaker 3: Like you see guys just playing off and just conceding
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  Speaker 3: yards and just giving them. And I don't know, I'll
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  Speaker 3: say this, like I'm a believer that you need to
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  Speaker 3: make receivers work for.
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  Speaker 4: Every yard they get.
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  Speaker 3: Like most guys if you challenge them early and they
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  Speaker 3: go these long stretches without touching the ball, they'll kind
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  Speaker 3: of check out and power and they'll turn on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: So I believe you should do what the Kansa City
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  Speaker 3: Chiefs do. Hey man, make them earn it, touch them
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  Speaker 3: every time. It's annoying. It's almost like when we play basketball.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you play in the YMCA and there's this
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  Speaker 3: one guy who's gonna be the defensive guy, right, so
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  Speaker 3: you're off in the corner not really into play, but
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  Speaker 3: his chest is on you, like can I get some room?
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  Speaker 3: But it's that guy, and it's the guy who has
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  Speaker 3: no talent. Sometimes you need to trigue wide receivers like that,
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  Speaker 3: like make them always kind of feel you because it's annoying.
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  Speaker 4: It's an annoying.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, do you know how many contested the
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  Speaker 2: targets that the Kansas City Chiefs had in this game?
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  Speaker 4: Two oh two?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but they weren't that most of them weren't from Kelsey.
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  Speaker 4: Oh. I mean, like you talk about challenging people. They
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  Speaker 4: had two contested targets, so unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: So anybody only threw it forty two times, so you
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  Speaker 2: know that not great? All right, let's let's get to
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  Speaker 2: the next one here. We're gonna go back a few
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  Speaker 2: days here on this one. We don't need to We
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  Speaker 2: don't need to linger along on this one. But I
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  Speaker 2: know it's a few days old, but your game Jagged Saints,
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  Speaker 2: and man that the CHaGS. You guys are positioned in
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  Speaker 2: a great spot right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So here's the game. The game. Uh, it's not
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  Speaker 4: even really about the result.
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  Speaker 3: I think the big thing that came out of the
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  Speaker 3: game is Trevor Lawrence's uh willingness to play. Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 3: the last game against the Naps Coast, at the very
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  Speaker 3: end of the game, he runs a bull leg, he
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  Speaker 3: hurts his knee, he's braced up, and it's a short week.
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  Speaker 3: So I see him leaving with his wife on Sunday
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  Speaker 3: and he's kind of gimping out, had a big old
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  Speaker 3: brace on, and I was like, well, that's not good
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  Speaker 3: considering they play on a Thursday. And Doug peterson Is said,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know if he's gonna play. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if he's gonna play. I watched him in pre game
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  Speaker 3: and i'mna be honest with you. I'm watching him throw
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  Speaker 3: and it's not great, right. So he's trying to make
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  Speaker 3: these throws. The first ones are just fluttering all over
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  Speaker 3: the place. He then settles down and he's look, he
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  Speaker 3: has the a team that he's working and you know
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  Speaker 3: it's big time when in pregame is Calvin Ridley, Evan Ingram,
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  Speaker 3: Christian Kirk running routes an hour and a half before
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  Speaker 3: the game, and I was like, oh, yeah, they're really
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  Speaker 3: trying to see if he can throw DJ. Early in
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  Speaker 3: the game, he just takes off running and the whole
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  Speaker 3: time I'm like, get down, get down, and it's like
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  Speaker 3: a big run and those things.
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  Speaker 4: But what that did.
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  Speaker 3: He earned more points in the locker room than you
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  Speaker 3: ever can imagine because of his toughness. And there's something
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  Speaker 3: to be said for Look, Philip Rivers always played, Eli
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  Speaker 3: Manning always played, and we were the left beloves. When
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  Speaker 3: you're the franchise quarterback, you have to show up. And
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  Speaker 3: there's something about like when you displayed that level of toughness.
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  Speaker 4: That ingratiates you to the team.
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  Speaker 3: And because of that, I think the affinity that his
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  Speaker 3: teammates have for him, the respect that the coaches have
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  Speaker 3: for him, who leaps and bounds because of his willingness
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  Speaker 3: to play and how he played in spite of this
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  Speaker 3: stuff and so one of the things that we talk
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  Speaker 3: about in evaluation is toughness with quarterbacks. That exhibition of
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  Speaker 3: toughness goes a long way in that lock of them.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's big. I think that's a great point. RT.
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  Speaker 2: On the Saint side of things, I felt terrible for
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  Speaker 2: Foster Moreau at the end of guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's such a good guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, obviously he went through you know
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  Speaker 1: what he went through, overcoming you know, cancer this past
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  Speaker 1: off season, and you know, he's an LSU guy and
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  Speaker 1: you know, wants to do great down there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just you know, what I appreciated was Alvin
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  Speaker 1: Kamara and Jowan Johnson going to pick him up after
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  Speaker 1: the game, you know, and you love seeing that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that tells you something about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: where the Saints are in terms of, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: locker room and obviously in the face of you know,
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  Speaker 1: more struggle than they have faced in their entire careers
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  Speaker 1: really in these last two years and certainly in the
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  Speaker 1: start to the season. So you know, it tells you
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  Speaker 1: that they got some guys that they can kind of
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  Speaker 1: rally around and hopefully, you know, find a way. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: in the end Derek Carr throwing at fifty five times.
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  Speaker 1: This game is again, you know, probably not what you want.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, you're in and out.
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  Speaker 1: You're you got an opportunity there, game time touchdown, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they had their chances. They just they have not
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  Speaker 1: been able to take advantage of opportunities the way they
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  Speaker 1: need to.
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  Speaker 4: No doubt.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to correct one error from earlier. There
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  Speaker 2: was four contested targets in the.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's ridiculous. I had a storder with.
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  Speaker 2: Just Kelsey, so I didn't want to make it one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to over exaggerate here, can can Can
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  Speaker 2: I bring this up?
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  Speaker 3: Because you guys like you have a quarterback in DJ
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  Speaker 3: I got a wide receiver and htt I just want
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  Speaker 3: to know, uh Rhett, I ask you this, sir, when
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  Speaker 3: Derek Carr is you're a quarterback and he's making these
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  Speaker 3: theatrics and gestures for the world to know about very
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: demonsterra that you might have blown around, Like how do
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  Speaker 3: you feel about that when you when you come to
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  Speaker 3: the sideline, because I don't think you, as a wide
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  Speaker 3: receiver are reacting like that when he overthrows the guy
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: he throws his thirtieth checkdown on the day. It just
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: seems like a lot for an organization. This head Drew Brees,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: the cosum and leader that you know, the dom has
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: seen Drew Brees and how he conducts himself. And then
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: here we have Derek Carr six seven games in and
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: it is it's really a big show. Particularly when you're
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: down on the sideline, oh the opposite sideline. You can
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: see it and I'm like, this is not gonna play. Well,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna play here.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Here's the one thing I'll say is generally, you know
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: when you screwed up, right, and so like unless like
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: you are vehemently in disagreement with Derek Carr and his
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: assessment of what you were supposed to do on that play,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: like you to a certain extent, Like you know.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, you know what, I I screwed that up.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I you know, maybe I deserve it, but yeah, you'd
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: still like to not see I mean, remember we were
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: we were dissecting this like crazy. At the end of
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady's career too, where he was you know, into
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: his Patriots run, I should say, where he was getting
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: some major frustration with some of his wide receivers and he,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: like you know, and you know, but he's the greatest
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: ever play the game.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I think I think that there's probably a little bit
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: of frustration there on both sides. And I think that
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: that's where as you mentioned it could it could cause
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: some issues here because I don't think Derek's been flawless,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: so you know, and while he's been okay, I don't
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: think it's it's been enough to say that I am
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: above that type of criticism on the other side. So
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: and he said it after the game, I'll give him
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: some credit. He's got to chill out a little bit,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: got to chill out a little bit. But they got problems.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got real they got real issues on
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: offense SAG.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know on that one. To me in
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: the in between the lines is when it's that that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: was what drive me crazy. And so yeah, if you
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: saw it, and I'm just talking about my musy little career,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just talking about just being around it. When I
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: would see receivers when you know it buck, when they
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: start jumping up and down and skipping and like shaking
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: their hands that you know, like come on, he he
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: wants to be like, dude, you have any idea how
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: hard it is to play this position back here with
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: all this going on right here, like I'm going to
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: miss you sometimes, Like we'll talk about it. We get
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: over the sideline, if you want to come over, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: if you want to give, you know, give me some
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: stern words about how pissed off you are that you
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: were open and I missed you, then that's fine. But
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: on the field of play, I don't like it. To me,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: that's where I kind of draw the distinction. And then
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: on the on the quarterback side of things, that's just
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: what comes to the position. I say, the quarterback and
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the head coach, I'd put him, I'd lump him together.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I thought when we were talking about the Giants game
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago against the Bills, when day ball,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: when when Tyrod Taylor, you know, ran the play and
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: checked to a run and they don't get any points
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: at the end of the half, he sprints out onto
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: the field and he's airing him out. So it's like
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the whole world can see, like, dude, we all know
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that Tyrod Taylor screwed up. We all know that he
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: knows that. You know that the whole stadium, everybody watching
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you don't have to air him out. You're going to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: get bonus points for protecting him and then have that
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: conversation in the locker room. And I feel like quarterbacks
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the same way. Hey you ran the wrong route, I
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: threw a pick. I'm just gonna walk off the field.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: show you up. And I'll take that. I'll take that bullet.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And what it's gonna do is gonna build my credibility
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: with the team.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just annoying to watch an
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: But fuck, it's that rule that we've said.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It's the rule that we've always said, which is it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: very simple. When it's right, it's we. When it's wrong,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it's me. That's the that's the rule of playing quarterback.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: That's it. Rhet.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: How about Uh, this is a game, by the way,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: this Browns Colts game. I'm in the press I'm in
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the press box for the for the Chiefs game, Chiefs
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Chargers game. It was one of those ones where like,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I don't I'm not exaggerating. It was a double take,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Like I looked at this scoreboard and I was like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I looked, I was like, what like at a halftime
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: scored this game. I was like, how the heck is
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew and the Colts? I really scored this many
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: points against the Browns?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, great question. And you know, I think you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: you start looking at it. I mean, look, Guard Minshew
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: is a good player. Now, he's got some turnovers obviously
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: that he wants to have back in this game, four
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of them to be exact, one of them through the air,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: and then the three fumbles. But I mean, but that
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: brings us to the real point of this whole discussion.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: We can talk about the points and all that stuff,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: but I mean, Miles Garrett is just a superhuman.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Like there's just there's just no other way around it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Like I spent my morning like googling superheroes and I'm like,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you know what, none of these guys are as good
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: as Miles Garrett.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like he's the Hulk, He's the Flash,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: He's like the Silver Surfer, iron Man, whatever you want
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: to call him.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Like he's all into one. Nobody does you.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: There's there are so few.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Humans on this planet that can do what he did
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: on that field goal block at his sides and then
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and then obviously you know the speed and the power
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that he's got off the edge to create that.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Turnover in the end zone.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, those were game changing plays and those are
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: plays that you got to have when you're playing a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: quarterback you know who you know didn't start the game
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and it made just one start for your team before that.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: And obviously you know, isn't you know, one of the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: top five quarterbacks in the league. So I mean, like,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: dude just takes it and puts it all on his shoulders.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: And Jim Schwartz, I mean, credit again to what they
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: do defensively to set him up for success, but he
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: beats double teams. I mean like it's almost like what
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: else Shan Steyke is like, what else do you mean
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to do?
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I just I feel like, you know, the fact that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: he passes Reggie White for the most sacks by a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: player before turning twenty eight years old, I think just
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: kind of makes you sit back for a second and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: go like, Okay, let's appreciate fully what we're seeing here.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, no question, Buck, what's your take?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I know you you see the Colts inside that division,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: follow that team that they've they're that competitive in that game.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I don't win, there's no moral victories. But to me,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: when you lose Richardson for the year and you've got
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew out there and rhet talked about you get
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: some of the good, but you're going to get the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: turnovers through all that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I mean it's a one point game. Yeah, No, really
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: scrappy team.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: And I think we talked about it like, this is
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: a team that has gone all in on the prototypes.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: You know, at the position.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: They were the ones that took all the guys with
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: the testing numbers and the heightway sides of speed and
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: all that, and so this is a team that plays
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: fast and they've been put in a scheme where we
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: kind of talked about if you take great athletes and
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: you have a collection of teachers on your coaching staff,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: what could it look like.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of what we're seeing. The Colts are
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: showing you.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Hey, if you have great teachers and you take the
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: best athletes that are available in the draft, you might
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: be able to put together a good team if you
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: have the right teachers that are willing to put them
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: on the field, because they play much better than you
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: would think their roster was suggested they play based on
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the experience, and what they have to me is the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: credit of the coaching staff and the scouting department being
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: on the same page. And I think the future is
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: bright in Indianapolis when they continue to add more pieces
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: to the puzzle.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a nice see Josh downs go five for a buck,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: twenty five and a touchdown. So nobody took him in
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the rookie drafts?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: And what are we doing?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: You know, it would have been nice if you were
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: still the chapel, you know, that's what That's what I was.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: How about that? Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Look, look, rehtt and I know we can't say anything
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: without a way nothing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: But but it would be nice. It would be nice.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: And vison jebeo doing it freaking the who's gotcha? Is
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that what they call themselves?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: By the way I think they do? Yeah?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Who whatever, Yeah whatever. Anyways, tough one for the tar Heels.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take quick break. We come back.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the big Sunday night matchup between the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Dolphins and the Eagles right after this. All right, this
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: was probably the game of the week, not probably, this
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: was the game of the week one that I got
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to see the first half on watching it on my
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: phone on the bus on the way to the airport,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and then then just saw the score a teend of
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the game, and then was excited to get up this
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: morning and uh and watch the tape, watched all twenty
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: two and see you know what happened in this game.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And I the first thing I did is I popped
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: on the Dolphins offense because when you look at it,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: when they only have seventeen points and seven came via
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the defense, You're like, okay, ten points. This is the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: most explosive, the most dynamic offense in the league. Like
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: did the Eagles, what'd they do? How'd they shut this
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: thing down? And I'll start with the positives for the Dolphins.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Don't panic, don't if you're a Dolphins fan, They're fine.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: They had so many snaps on the other side of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the fifty. I mean, they had so many opportunities, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: then and then they exhaust on downs on one on
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: a fourth and three, they don't aren't able to convert.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: You have to pick uh, you know, towards the end
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of the game in the in the red zone, they
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: they had they had a touchdown called back. They had
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: what would have been a touchdown to Tyreek Hill. He
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: somehow bobbles I mean, he kind of almost kneed the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: ball out of his own hands on the running into
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the end zone. Like, there was a lot of opportunity
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: for them in this game, and some of it was
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: was definitely self inflicted. Now, the Eagles did a nice
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: job of what we've talked about in the past when
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you play this team, if you can get your linebackers
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to get back there and get depth, which was nice
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to see. I thought, you know, watching back the tape
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: of this game, Nikobe Dean was the first time I
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: kind of got excited about seeing him and what he
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: was doing running around, which was great to see. But
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: they're gonna play, They're gonna try and get after you
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: up front, and they forced some big penalties, so it
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't just the you know, they had what three sacks
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I believe in this game. It was nice to see
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the first sack of Nolan Smith's career. He was unblocked
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: but got his first sack. Yeah, but what sweat was
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: really active that you know, Jalen Carter, you know, drew
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a penalty. Like they they were able to get them
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: off schedule with some penalties that showed you the impact
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: of their front. Their their defense played well. That being said,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: they were still ops. There were still ops for Miami
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: in this game. And I think my biggest takeaway was
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: not what I anticipated. I thought I was gonna watch
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: it and come away saying, man, the Eagles, they dominated
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: them defensively. And I came away saying, you know what,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the Eagles played well enough, and I thought the Miami
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Dolphins left little meat on the bone.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, I like, I would go there. I would.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I would say, here's here's the thing. We talked about
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: these teams being built very similar on on the podcast
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in terms of like how they've been constructed, the way
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: they they they've done it. I would say that the
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Eagles depth has certainly helped them because they can just
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: bring so many different waves. I would also say that
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: the Eagles are much faster team than I anticipated because
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: some of the trickery that the Dolphins have utilized to
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: create big plays they were minimal games. I mean, this
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: is a team that is basically running a version of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: the wing tea with all the spinner series, the packages,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the coming one way, coming around yeah, and they really
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: try and get you out of source, but the Eagles
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: are able to run them down and meet them at
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. And so for a team that
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: really specializes they're running in the sea gap, which is
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: like the gap between the tackling the tight end they
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: want to run outside. Eagle speed and explosiveness really showed
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: up to me when I looked at this game.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where you know, depth along the defensive front.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You know where you got those guys, and you've got
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: multiple dudes that you can keep rolling in there. I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: also think that that you know, we've talked about this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: kind of the last couple of weeks, but for Miami,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you know, their depth along the offensive line has been
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: challenged in the last couple of weeks, you know, with
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Tron Armstead kind of being in and out and he's
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be out for a few weeks, and Connor Williams,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you know, was a big loss for them at center.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I think even Eikenberg ended up with a with a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: couple of pre snaps penalties on there that that affected them,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And like, I don't know how natural the center he
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: really he is, but Connor Williams has been a really
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: good player for them. So I just I think a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: little bit of a confluence of events there. You meet,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, you're less than full strength on your offensive front,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and then you meet a defensive group that is as
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: deep and talented and fast and physical as you're probably
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: going to see this season.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: And that's basically what happened. Forty five rushing yards.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I mean that that has become such a big piece, right,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: It's not just a flash and dash of Tyreek Hill,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: by the way, missed a couple of opportunities himself as
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you were talking about Tej. But yeah, I just I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: think when they can't when they can't get some of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that run game stuff going, you know, this offense kind
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of struggles a little bit.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one of the things I was thinking
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: from the eagle side of things. You know, A J.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Brown has another huge game, ten for a buck thirty
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: seven and a touchdown god Or got in the end zone.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Had a nice day. He's having a really good year.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, guys is so rugged and so tough. He's
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: beat up in this game. He still manages to make
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the plays he needs to make. It's two hundred and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: seventy nine yards, a couple passing touchdowns, there's an interception,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: there's some other throws I know he'd like to have back.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You know, they did the sneak thing a zillion times.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: He had eleven carries for twenty one yards, So I
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: mean it's just kind of a rugged, rugged day, including
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a touchdown, and that the takeaway that I had though
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: from their side of things, is maybe the player that
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: holds the keys to who's going to come out of
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the NFC is going to be Marcus Mariota because I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: know his knees hurt. I don't know if Jalen plays
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this week. Maybe he's fine, maybe he's able to get
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: through this injury, but the way that he's used, he's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: going to miss some games. So you know, whether that's
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: one game, two games, you know for I don't know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: but you can't. I don't care how strong he is.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I know he's incredibly tough, he's incredibly strong, how rugged
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: he plays, buck He's not going to be there for
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: seventeen weeks this year. He's going to miss some time.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: And when you think about how even the forty nine
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: ers and the Eagles are and we know this is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: a collision course that we are headed towards.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: If it's a three game sample size with Marcus Mariota,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: he could hold the keys of who has home field
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: advantage in the NFC. I really that was my takeaway
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: watching this game.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then watching the game because Jalen did come
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: out with the second in the second half, he had
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the knee brace on. He didn't really talk about it
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: in the postgame interview. He got to just everyone's dealing
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: with stuff, be fine, but to just work you wonder, Okay,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: if this is an injury, is it best to sit
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: him now, let him get fully healthy, or are you
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: going to try and let him grind it out and
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: then potentially lose him when it matters down the stretch.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, I gotta be careful.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I'm just I'm looking at this, Bucky.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: And just to chime in here briefly, next two games
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Commanders and Cowboys, So two division games, then you got
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the bye week Week ten, and then how about this
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: four game, five game stretch? Really, Chiefs Bills, forty nine, Ers, Cowboys, Seahawks.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Coming out of the buy for Philly, it almost seems
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: like Red if you're going to make the move this is.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: The time, yeah, ahead of the bye and then attack
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: by on the end of it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you think, hey, we should be able to
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: get with the Commanders without him, even if we drop
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: one to the Cowboys. Now, we should be able to
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: get them on the back end.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: We have the buye.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: They'll give you three almost four full weeks for him
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: to get right and to be available for that stretch
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: run depending on what.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to pick on anybody here, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, just what we saw from Marcus Mariota in
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the preseason.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Feel that's what. But that's why I'm saying, that's why
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's so key. Yeah, you know, I have
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: my doubts for sure. This is not you know, when
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew was in that spot, you felt okay about it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I don't feel great about Marcus Mariota, but I would
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: say that they you know, this team has kind of
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a grit and the toughness that that's where the defense
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: will crank it up a notch and they'll run the ball.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: You know, there's at least a there And I think
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Bucky's point, you can you can navigate these maybe these
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: next games with that after the bye, with that slate
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: that you just I don't think you want to navigate
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: those games, don't.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: And you need him.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: You need him as as close to full strength as
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: you can get for that for that run. And so
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: if you if you can sit him down and get
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: them back healthy after the bat you should do it
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: because that's where you're really going to need him. If
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: you can go one and one coming out of this stretch, Look,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you're not going to fall back much, if at all.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: And if you're the Eagles, you probably think you can
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: win both of them if you get it done.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And and if you if you drop one of these,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: now Buck, well you've got the head to head with
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the Niners. So if you have if you have Jalen
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: healthy and you go win that game, that's like win two. Yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: so that would be big. The beatdown of the week,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: by the way, Holy moly, wow was your game here?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Buck?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: That was the Ravens just beating the stuffing out of
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the Lions.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I feel like this was a message to me because
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I sitting here talking about this offense with Monken. I
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: went on TV a weeke and some change ago. Oh Rare,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: were you dead today? I was talking about them playing volleyball. Yes, yes,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: it was Thursday night. Yeah, Thursday night date. Yeah, seven drops.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I didn't know that the Ravens
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: had a volleyball team. But they just they're just knocking
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: everything down and then all of a sudden, this offense
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: shows up and Lamar Jackson looks like MVP Lamar Jackson.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: The way they're throwing it, the way he's running around,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the offense.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Is clicking fifty seven, Like I looked.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: This was not on my bingo, This is not on
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: my bago. Cord Man, I would say this, as much
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: as everyone's gonna talk about the offense, I think we
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: might have been slipping sleeping on the defense.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I think I agreed.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Third game, Yeah, third game with Aphil teams to ten
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: points a fewer. I think I saw the only graphic
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: like they've only give enough seven offensive touchdowns?
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Is that true? That can't be true. That can't be true.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Like the way that they're playing, but they're playing really
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: good on defense, and that defense with this offense that
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: has the potential to explode. Man, they put the Ravens
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: right back into the conversations. One of the teams that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: you don't want to talk about in the tournament.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Great point, and I think it was nice to see
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and to see that kind of the full complement of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's targets kind of show up. Obviously, Zay Flowers
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: has been there arguably their most consistent piece as a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: rookie these first couple of weeks, but kind of reintroduce
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: yourself to the fact that Mark Andrews can be a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: game wrecker. Rashat Bateman made some catches in this game,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: They got Gus Edwards rolling a little bit, and so
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: it just it all felt like it was working. And
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: they jumped on Detroit from the jump, you know, and
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that's that's obviously key, especially at home, you know, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a team like that, you know in Detroit, you got
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to get up early. You don't want to find yourself down.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And so I just I thought Lamar played, you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: this is the best game we've seen him play in.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know, in two years do we see by
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the way in that game where you had a young,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: exciting off offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions, is it
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: time that maybe Mike McDonald gets some love. As Buck
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was talking about this Ravens defense and how well they're
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: playing when you start, as you start getting to the
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: midway point, you start seeing some of these lists come
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: out with future head coaches. We did a nice job
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: at Michigan for Jim Jim Harbaugh. Then you know he's
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: bounced back and forth with John with the Ravens. He's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: been excellent.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Man. He's a young guy who obviously is really really smart.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So in a league where we see all the offensive
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: guys getting the lake up, I wouldn't sleep on him
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: as being a head coaching candidate here in this next cycle. Yeah, Ratt,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: what do you got here? What's your next game?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I believe we're going Patriots Bills. Yeah, so I'll just
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I'll tackle this. Initially from the Patriots side of thing,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: there was an efficiency and effectiveness to this offense for
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: New England that we have not seen this year. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: thought early on, man, it was just mac Jones was
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: on target and they were working the ball, you know,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to a variety of different pop Douglas was getting the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: ball quickly and letting him kind of use that athleticism,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: let him go to work. Farrell Brown find some chunk
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: plays from the tight end spot. In the past game,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: there was a balance Mac didn't throw it forty five
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: times completed twenty five to thirty in this game, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: even though the run game wasn't particularly productive, they stuck
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with it for the most part achieve some balance. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: maybe the biggest part about it is the offensive line.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Combo worked arguably for the first time this season now
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like they've been missing Cole Strange for the last three games.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: He comes back into the lineup.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That then allows Michael Wainu to move over to right tackle,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: where they had just been getting beat handily on that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: right tackle spot, and he kind of settles that down.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: They allow zero sacks in just two quarterback hits and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: arguably their lowest pressure percentage of the season this week
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: against the Bills defense would have been one of the
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: best in pressuring the quarterback all year. That to me
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: is the absolute key to this game. Mac Jones, when
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: given a second, is good enough to win games in
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: this league. And I think he's proven that time and
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: time again, and he's been under constant durest the last
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: month or so, and so the fact that he was
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: able to breathe for a second and then deliver some throws,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, that was big and it wasn't like an
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: overly explosive offensive output, but they made plays when they
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: had to, made enough, especially down there late in the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: game with the Kasiki touchdown, so that part was really good.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I don't even know buck if I'm you know, but
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Rett's excited about the Patriots because they looked so much
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: better than they've looked. My emotion coming out of that
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: game is the man, what the heck is wrong with
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. They're they're up and down roller coaster team.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: They lack DJ and buckets.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: They lack so much I don't know, I don't know
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the creativity so where they lacked so much in terms
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: of consistency and rhythm on offense.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: It is like, man, I mean like I can feel
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: the frustration.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You know, like watching the game and you know, Josh Allen,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it is so it feels like that offense is so
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: boom or bust man, you know, and you know he
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: might throw three picks and you know, you still feel
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: confident in their ability to come back and win the game.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: But I don't know what then, I don't know if
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it's they're still struggling to find the right identity with
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Ken Dorsey, is the play caller. But man, they just
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they have not truly found the rhythm. I mean they
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: are just such an out of sync at times offense.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: It feels like, yeah, it's very cluncky when you watched him.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: There's no real rhyme or reason. I think the main
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: thing you don't know what their identity is. Right, So
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: when we think about the Miami Dolphins, we have a
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: clear picture of what their offensive identity is. It's about speed,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: it's about getting to the perimeter, it's about explosive plays shots.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: You think about the Philadelphia Eagles, it's about the run
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: game complimented with a vertical passing game, the AJ Brown,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Devoti Smith, and Dallas Goddard. But for the Buffalo Bills,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: it's Josh Allen as a one man show. And I
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: don't know how that how that fares against some of
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: these other top teams in the AFC.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: We've talked about the AFC being loaded from top to bottom.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can just have, hey, Josh,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: we're gonna roll the ball out, We're gonna let you
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: do your thing, and we're gonna figure out a way
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: to score thirty points. I don't know if that's an
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: effective strategy against the teams that in the AFC the
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Bills were. In the NFC, sure right, demand they could
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: do it, but in the AFC, it's going to take
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: more structure, more organization offensively for them to be able
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: to get past some of these top teams.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting just looking at I was pulling up
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: his numbers because I was curious on Josh. His completion
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: percentage is up seven percent over last year. His yards
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: per attempt is, you know, almost identical, seven to six
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: last year, seven to five this year. Last year was
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: thirty five touchdowns fourteen picks. This year fifteen and seven.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: So that ratio is a little bit off. But if
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you buy into ratings, I mean his rating and his
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: QBR are both up over last year. His rating right
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: now is the highest of his career, which seems crazy. Yeah,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: it just seems crazy because you watch it and it
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: does feel disjointing joining the right way put it, But
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: on paper, when you look at it, it's like he's
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: having his best year. It's that's hard to it's hard
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: to wrap my mind around because I was thinking the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: point I was going to make was, man it you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: know this, I feel like this young group of superstars.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: When you look at Burrow and some of the adversity
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: he's faced this year, Herbert has been down and it
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: hasn't been as easy of a ride for him. Josh
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Allen's been down a little bit even, you know, until
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: this last week, Mahomes, with the other worldly standards he
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: had set for himself, wasn't quite what he had been.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I think we're seeing these young guys get challenged a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we are seeing him get challenged, and it's just
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: not it's just not what you expected. We thought this
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: team would be ready to go now firmly, I believe
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that they were going to be on the decent. I
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: didn't think they would stay up there. But I'm just
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: surprised that the struggles they were seeing from the squad.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: All right, but how about falcons and bucks here in
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a game. I'm gonna be honest on the road and
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: traveling until I look down at the paper, I don't
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: even know who won the game.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Oh you are you? You weren't excited about the look.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I just like to be honest with the listeners. I
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: don't I don't want to fake it. I didn't see
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: any of this game the.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: King of the South.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's still tell me as if I didn't know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: pretend like I didn't know.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, so this this is okay.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Arthur Smith in his sideline antics and we've seen him
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: basically look like he has uh may lox or pepto
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: bismol or whatever like he has it at his side
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: when he's watching his quarterback Desmond, and I think he
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: probably doubled up. I think he was double fisted on
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: the sideline with pepto because Desmond ritter.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: He's three fumbles, he lost three fumbles, three three.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Going into the end zone, being careless with the ball,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: quarterback sneaks like those things things where this game should
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: have been. Look, they comfortably won this game, but because
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: of those miscues and eras, it didn't happen the way
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: that it should happen. Now, as great as he made
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a play to help him get down, hit cal piss
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: on a strike to put him in field goal range,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: but his carelessness with the football is going to drive
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Arthur Smith to engage in some adult beverages or some
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: vicen he doesn't need to handle. Iving my fellow Tarrio
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: crazy with this turnout.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: The first team to lose three red zone fumbles in
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: a game in twenty years Polish trap. Well, that's why
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: we've been that red zone.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: So again, I'm just not talking about this game specifically,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: but that's why when we get to the offseason, we
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: want to fast forward to the topics of conversation. The
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins to the Atlanta Falcons has been to move
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the sticks. Move that we have all three endorsed, the
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: first stamp on that that's the move that should happen.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: That team's ready to go. Man, they got a good group.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: They're ready to go right now.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: And Bejeon barely even played.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: By the way, what happened. He was sick, he says something.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: He had headaches.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: He had headaches the night before and then it led
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: into the next morning and so he didn't didn't He
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: can't give you a hard days. The good days work.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this, man.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I'm in a fantasy football league, that one that I've
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: played in since I was in high school. And this
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: is the worst fantasy football team I've ever had my
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: entire life. And I took I took Bijon with like
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the third pick. I'm like he's going to lead the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: league in rushing. He's a freak. And then I looked
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: at the box score and I was like, wait, what
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: what happened?
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't play.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Hasn't been great for my squad. By the way, of course,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't play George Pickens the one week that he
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: goes off too. So whatever, team, Enough about my fantasy team,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: anything on the Bucks side of things before we move
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: on to this next game.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Heyet, I mean I don't I don't particularly think I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: don't want.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: To talk about Bucks. Yeah, I mean, guys, it wasn't
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: the story of the game.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: It just wasn't the story of the game.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: The story of the game with the Falcons allowing the
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Buccaneers to hang around when.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: The Bucks don't have a run game, Like, we talked
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a lot, and you want to talk about fantasy, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the fantasy community talked forever this offseason about Rashad White, like, yeah,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: he caught the passes and you know, and that still
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: gets points. But I mean they're not running the football,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you know. And look, they really didn't a ton while
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Tom was there either, but it kind of shows up.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: It feels like a little bit more now.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, last one on the Big eight here,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: let's go rhtt. You had the Steelers and the Rams.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: A big win on the road for the Steelers, who,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: by the way, I feel like we talked about how
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: physical their camp was before the season started. We talked
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: about how this team like there's a toughness and a
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: greediness to them, and then they get their doors blown
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: off by the forty nine Ers and we're like, oh,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: maybe we just missed a boat on that, and it's like, no,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: they're just it's not aesthetically pleasing, but once again, they
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: just find a way to win games.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to talk about not aesthetically pleasing, that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: spending two hours on your commute home after that.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: Ram Steelers came from so.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Far yesterday, gos, tough Steelers, a lot of Steeler fans
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: and the.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Lot Yes, indeed, So.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: This game was was kind of interesting, right, I mean,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: obviously the Rams running back room was injury depleted, Kyen
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Williams out, rivers out, so they had they called up,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody from the practice squad, Royce Freeman, Darryl Henderson,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the old friend comes down on the mach Yeah, I know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and it's still found some productivity there, and I think,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you know, all of us that were worried about Pooka
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and Akua's production with Cooper cup came back. Just turns
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: out it just probably helps a little bit, you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: to have Cooper in there. I mean, and Bucky and
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I were talking about it on Game Day Live. I mean,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a team that executes the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: end cuts at at all levels of the of the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: defense better than the Rams do with the way that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Stafford can sling it in the way that Pooka and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Cooper find openings down the field in that area.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: So that was big.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: But this really comes down to the fourth quarter for me,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: really the third and fourth quarter with the Steelers. Third
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: quarter because t J. Watt picks off Matthew Stafford sets
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: up the Steelers offense, they punched it into the end
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: zone their back like they're starting to get that momentum.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And then in the fourth quarter, I thought, is really
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: where this thing kind of came to play. They had
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the Steelers ran twenty three plays in the fourth quarter,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: sixteen of them were runs, eleven first downs in the
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: fourth It's like they remembered who they were for a second,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, it was Najie Harris, it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: Was Warren like they were all.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got into the game, like almost all
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of their rushing yardage for the game comes in the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Like Dwayne Washington.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Was in there making some big plays as the you know,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: quote unquote sixth offensive lineman, but as another tight end there,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Kenny was flawless. Kenny Pickett in the in the fourth quarter,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: he went seven for seven, had a big time back
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: shoulder throw to George Picktts throw the game on a
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: third and three, like Isaac Somalo peals off to try
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: to help the left packle as they put Aaron Donald
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: out rushing out wide on the left tackle and he's
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: about to take care of a picket, but Smalu tries
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to come over there, ends up body checking picket. Some How,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: he still gets his ball off and it goes right
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: into the into the hands of Pickens on a on
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: a third and three on the final drive. That allowed
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: them to essentially to essentially kind of run the deal out.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And and maybe the biggest thing and the biggest difference
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: here is that they had the Matt Canada camera up
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: there in the booth and he was actually had something
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: to celebrate, Like it was not the misery can like
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: he was actually up there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: It's like let's go, you know, it was.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Like feeling it, Like I just felt like they had
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: a rhythm, they had a they had a you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a commitment to the run game in that fourth quarter
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and maybe just maybe, Bucky, it's something for them to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: build on real quick.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Though, Buck is is uh? Is Dwayne Washington related to
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Darnel Washington? Sorry, that's.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Got my Washington.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Washington.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I was ready to I had that that punch and
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: loaded and ready to go, and I had to sit
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: there and hold it for a while to be able
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: to get that thing in there.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: But thanks man.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry Darnell.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Not bad, Budd. That's okay, we we we got.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I think Dwayne Washington played for the Steelers though, right,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: why not?
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe no.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Cornerback. He's drafted by the Vikings.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: There's been there's been a couple.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, nice, go ahead, Buck, Sorry about Look, this is
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: this is what we talk about with the Steelers. Man,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: They just find a way to get to the winner circle.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: It's never pretty. It's just effective. As much as people
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: aid Matt Canada, he just somehow finds a way to
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: draw up enough place for them to score enough points
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: to win games, and he will continue to be there,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: probably be there twenty years from now, as the OC
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: will still be talking about it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: But that's how it goes.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: The big thing was George Pickens being a factor, George
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Pickens kind of showing up and making some plays and
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: finally getting to think like Dat Johnson also being there.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, they got guys. Alan Robinson made a big catch.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, they have enough guys.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: It's just a matter of organizing the play sheet where
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: those guys can touch it. They just haven't done it.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So we'll see if they can get it together down
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: the stretch. But this team is gonna be there. They're
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: gonna be in the conversation.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: They're the cockroach. They're the cockroach of the AFC North.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Like we'll talk about one week called the Ravens of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the best team and it's like, oh, the Browns have
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: this all time defense, and it's like, you know, the Bengals,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: they'll get it going. You know, I'll get bur He'll
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: be back. And it's like Steelers, you're not killing the Steelers.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: They're going to be there. Whoever else is at the party.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: We'll see, but you can write it in ink that
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the Steelers will be.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: There at the end.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Darnell's going to be there. Boys, that's going to be there.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: That's right, Darnell, Dwayne or whatever. It's all the same starting.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: How about if I was going to go headline and
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: I'll go back and forth with you guys, will go
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: kind of rapid fire here, but just the headline takeaway
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: from these other ones, buck the Raiders and the Bears.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: The Bears smash the Raiders thirty to twelve. What's the headline?
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Why star Brian hoy I just know, like like why,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: because this was a situation where I understood, like the
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: previous week, Jimmy Garoppolo gets her second half. You put
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Brian Hoy in because he's a guy that's probably most
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: ready to play without reps. But now you had a
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: full week to prepare. Ain't no Cone should be in
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: the starting quarterback. We have seen what this Brian Hory
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: thing looks like. It doesn't look great, and it didn't
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: look great against the Chicago Bears. And this is one
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: where if you're a Raiders fan, you're looking at just
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: from Daniels one, they're like man like, let's put the
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: young guy in. Let's give him a chance. And it
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: also look you win and got Jimmy G. This had
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: to be part of the equation. When you got Jimmy G.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: He's not a guy that's a seventeen game starter. He's
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: a twelve to thirteen game starter. And you need to
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: have a good quarterback too. And I thought a and
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: O'Connell would be the guy to get the.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Ball well, and we talked about it on the show Buck.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think Brian hoyerk sells at being
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: QB two coming in, you know, as you mentioned, with
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: zero reps and being able to effectively lead the offense
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the way he did a week ago. But as is
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the case with many backup quarterbacks, you start exposing them
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to more reps in a role like this against the Bears,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and sometimes that's when you see why that they are
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: QB two.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: And that is that the line, by the way, you
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: remember when we were in high school whatever, the line
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: was good from far but far from good.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Brian Hoyer. It's good few with something.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean. But here's the other thing,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: the other takeaway on that one.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Why does everyone want to throw Deontay Foreman out onto
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the trash heap after one year? I mean like he's
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: been on three teams and three years, it feels like
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: and every time he gets the ball he's like a one
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: hundred yard rusher. He had three touchdowns in his game.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Why is he gonna play for the Panthers right now
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: where he was a year ago? I mean, like you
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: still in Tennessee, I don't.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Roster that Panthers roster of you know, eighteen months ago
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: looks a lot better than that Panthers roster does right now.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that much.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they play a lot different too. What else we got?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Next one here? Uh, let's go rat. You can hit
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: this one because you're the official Giants watcher of the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: podcast fourteen to seven.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that they got some run game productivity
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: from Saquon Barkley and and I think the biggest takeaway
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: is that they found Darren Waller. They remember Darren Waller
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: is there and is one of the best tight ends
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: in the league. He goes for seven ninety eight in
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: a touchdown and that was essentially all they needed. Defense
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: played well in the game.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: There you go and by the way, I thought the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: other piece of information that came out of this was
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: it looks like they are going to get their left
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: tackle back for next week's game against the Jets, which
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: is going to be thirteen to ten, and it's going
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: to be a slugfest Battle of New York.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: They're looking forward to that one.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: All all right, Buck the Cardinals, they're competitive, but the
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Seahawks get him twenty to ten. Jake Bobo with a touchdown,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: skelch Jake jag Bo with a touchdown. How about the
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: two rookies. Yeah, two rookie stepping up.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting about Bobo is how DK
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Metcalf has talked about he looked at Jake Bobo as
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: inspiration in terms of how to work and how to
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: prepare to play in the National Football League.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: He talked about Bobo has.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Been one of the guys that from a route running standpoint,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: he's been impressed with, and so he watches how he's
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: been able to work himself into being a pro and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: how he's earned everything.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: He's tried to take all some of that.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I just think with the Seattle Seahawks, they're young guys
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: stepping up and playing you didn't get a chance to
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: see it, but Devin with his phone absolutely splattered somebody
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: in the flat, just absolutely like didn't matter.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah it was Rondell Moore, I think, I mean.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Just cut him down two inches, I mean, just destroyed him.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: And the Seahawks didn't play great, but they ran the
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: ball effective. He kend of walk ahead over one hundred yards.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Geno was fine. The wide receivers continue to make plays.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: But this is a team that they're not good enough
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: in my mind to be one of those top seeds,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: one of those top four season in NFC.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: But that could be a little problem in the tournament.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can win a game. They could win a
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: game in the tournament. I mean, I don't know. That's interesting,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: all right? The last one here, Buck, you can handle this.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Packers Broncos. I felt like, I don't know, refresh my memory.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I feel like you were pro Packers early on in
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the year, thinking they're not going to skip a beat,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: and yeah I was, will feel the same way about
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: their situation.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: But you know what I'm gonna do, because I humble
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: produced ne Bill, I'm gonna do like Nebill, I changed
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: my mind.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: I don't feel it's.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: Right about that. I don't feel it's great about them
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: after watching them. It was a lot more in theory
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: more so than in practical application. I thought this team
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: was gonna be able to run the football where Aaron
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Jones and aj Dillon and they just don't play big
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: boy ball, and the fact that somehow the Broncos allowed
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: them to close the gap. The Broncos dominated the game
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: for the most part. I mean, they were in control
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: of the game, and they let the Packers sneak back
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: in This Packer team and we're learning And this is
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: what I was curious.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: I wanted to see what Matt Lafloyd looked like without.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Having the four time MVP Aaron Rodgers, and it looked
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: like what I thought it would look like. He has
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: to figure out how to get this team with what
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: he has to play at a higher level. And they're
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: just not playing well enough in terms of on defense
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: and in the running game to be able to do it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: With Jordan Levit quarterback.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: They got to get their offensive line fixed. It's become
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: an issue. Josh Meyer's got hurt in this game. We
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: obviously we know Baktiari's what he's been dealing with It's
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: it's not what they have going up there up front
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: right now is not conducive to the way that they
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: want to play this game.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Interesting, by the way, quick kids story. When my youngest
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: son was playing soccer for the first year, so I
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, five six years old, they're have their first
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: game and the coaches, uh, got the team together, and
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: so they've got the goalie jersey right, and they go, hey,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: who's who wants who wants to play goalie? You know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and none of the kids raise their hand. I'm just
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: watching this whole thing, and my son's first time playing soccer.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: He raised his hand. Yeah, play goalie. Put the jersey
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: on trot's back out there, gets in front of the goal.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: All the other team comes on the field, they blow
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: the whistle to start the game, and he raises his
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: hand from the goalie box goes I changed my mind.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I changed my mind. I didn't want it. They didn't
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: want that smoker goalie.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Sounded like a great It's not like, hey, I get
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: it a cool jersey. This is gonna be fun. And
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I think that five six year old brain started thinking, Man,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: they're gonna star peppering some of these soccer balls.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't like this. I don't like this
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: very much. Get me out of here. Yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: The best that was raising his hand because it was
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: like it was proper.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: It was very professional, it was very respectful, just very polite. Hey,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: I changed my mind for good. No, I get somebody
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: else in here. By the way, you're not you can't.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: He didn't, was not I was able to do that
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: at the start of the game. So I'm I'm the
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: dad who runs behind the net, and I'm gonna like
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: try and encourage him and coach him. The referee those
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: are coaching behind the net.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, these kids are five six years old.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: That come on, man.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Anyways, he made it, he lived, he's still he's still
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: with us. So he's good. Good. That's that's funny.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Is that a classic? H I love that?
• 54:50
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• 54:51
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• 54:54
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• 54:58
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• 55:02
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• 55:10
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• 55:13
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