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Sharri | 2 March · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News, This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight.
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Speaker 3: Iran strikes on Arab nations backfire, plus the stunning surprise
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Speaker 3: attack on Aamali Ayatola Kamene drawing on flawless intelligence. We've
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Speaker 3: got full coverage tonight with Jonathan Conricus and Noah Tishby
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Speaker 3: will join us live from Zoran Mamdani. To the ABC's
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Speaker 3: John Lyons, not everyone is supporting this war, and the
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Speaker 3: Greens called the strikes illegal and disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: Ray Hadley will get stuck in a little later.
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Speaker 3: Plus Trump's Iran strikes are causing a MAGA split and
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Speaker 3: now he's warning Americans to brace for likely more casualties.
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Speaker 3: It's all coming up. But first, a new era in Iran.
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Speaker 3: A supreme leader, Ayatola Kamene and his top lieutenants are killed.
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Speaker 2: This was a stunning development.
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Speaker 3: On the very first day of An America and Israel's
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Speaker 3: war on Iran. There was an element of surprise in
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Speaker 3: that the strikes took place in broad daylight. In fact,
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Speaker 3: the attack on cormen A was the first act of war.
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Speaker 3: The leadership were meeting in a Tei Ran compound on
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Speaker 3: Saturday morning local time knowing Cormena was there with his
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Speaker 3: top officials. Israel and the United States seized the opportunity.
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Speaker 3: The Israeli Air Force launched long range missiles at six am,
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Speaker 3: which struck the compound around eight am local time. The
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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal reports that about thirty bombs were dropped
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Speaker 3: on the compound, and the IDF said this was a precise,
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Speaker 3: large scale operation guided by accurate IDF intelligence. Come and
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Speaker 3: a and up to forty senior officials were killed. It
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Speaker 3: was a surprise attack with stunning results.
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Speaker 4: Iran's formerly supreme leader, Ayatola Hamene is dead.
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Speaker 3: This meticulous military targeting of the leadership, relying on intel
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Speaker 3: is highly impressive. Now, after this strike, my sources tell
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Speaker 3: me that Nedinyahu phoned Trump and presented him with critical
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Speaker 3: evidence that Ayatola Ali Khamene had been killed. This is
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Speaker 3: likely to have been photographic evidence and perhaps even DNA results.
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Speaker 3: We expect the photograph to be made public at some point.
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Speaker 3: But while the US in Israel took out Kamena, they
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Speaker 3: won't install a new regime. Instead, there now needs to
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Speaker 3: be an internal coup or a popular uprising, which is
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Speaker 3: exactly what Trump keeps urging. He's repeatedly encouraged Iranians to
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Speaker 3: take back control, and he said it again in a
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Speaker 3: video message today.
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Speaker 4: When we are finished take over your government, it will
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Speaker 4: be yours to take. This will be probably your only
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Speaker 4: chance for generations. I call upon all Iranian patriots who
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Speaker 4: yearn for freedom to seize this moment. To be brave,
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Speaker 4: be bold, be heroic, and take back your country. America
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Speaker 4: is with you. I made a promise to you, and
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Speaker 4: I fulfilled that promise. The rest will be up to you,
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Speaker 4: but we'll be there to help. Now.
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Speaker 3: This military action is especially liberating for Iranian women, who
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Speaker 3: faced public executions and stoning to death for sometimes not
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Speaker 3: wearing the veil properly, all for accusations of adultery. So
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Speaker 3: Iranians have celebrated have a look.
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Speaker 5: With the rocks, right.
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Speaker 3: So while many Iranians celebrated as you just saw, then
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Speaker 3: many on the left did the precise opposite. They protested
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Speaker 3: action against the Iranian regime.
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Speaker 2: Now this is an.
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Speaker 3: Absurd position to take because this wasn't a rushed decision
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Speaker 3: by the United States. President Trump had been engaging in
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Speaker 3: good faith negotiations with Iran, but, as he said in
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Speaker 3: his State of the Union, address.
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Speaker 4: We haven't heard those secret words, you will never have
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Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 3: Iran wasn't about to back down on its long held
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Speaker 3: ambitions for a nuclear bomb, which it would use against
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Speaker 3: Israel and its enemies in the West. But this military
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Speaker 3: action isn't only about nuclear weapons. It's about dismantling a
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Speaker 3: terrorist regime that remains a deadly threat to the world.
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Speaker 2: Now, pushing off this.
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Speaker 3: War would have given around time to strengthen its military arsenal,
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Speaker 3: and it was already reportedly planning on buying advanced missiles
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Speaker 3: from Russia and supersonic anti ship missiles from China. Iran
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Speaker 3: was in a uniquely vulnerable position, and so this was
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Speaker 3: the time to strike. And not only is it vulnerable,
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Speaker 3: but the Iranian people have been courageously taking to the
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Speaker 3: streets pushing for an end to this oppressive reign of terror,
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Speaker 3: and in their thousands, they sacrificed their lives as their
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Speaker 3: courage was met with public executions. The Iranian people were
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Speaker 3: begging for help, which Trump promised was on its way
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Speaker 3: over a month ago in January. Yet still Trump didn't
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Speaker 3: make this decision lightly. He took his time to speak
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Speaker 3: to the Arab nations to weigh up his options and
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Speaker 3: consider the risks. Trump wasn't pushed into this war, but
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Speaker 3: he also wasn't influenced not to act either. Now, as
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Speaker 3: you know, there've already been some casualties, and today Trump
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Speaker 3: announced three American military servicemen were killed in action, and
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Speaker 3: he thanked their families for their sacrifice. And he made
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Speaker 3: this pledge today.
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Speaker 4: But America will avenge their deaths and deliver the most
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Speaker 4: punishing blow to the terrorists who have waged war against Basically,
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Speaker 4: civilization are resolved. Likewise, that of Israel has never been stronger.
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Speaker 2: As he said, their deaths will be avenged.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: An Israeli woman was the first to be killed in
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Speaker 3: an Iranian missile strike. There were also nine killed and
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Speaker 3: forty injured when an Iranian ballistic missile hit Baitchemesh near Jerusalem.
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Speaker 3: But the retaliation from Iran hasn't been limited to Israeli
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Speaker 3: and American forces.
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Speaker 2: Iran has now bombed the.
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Speaker 3: UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Aman. It's also
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Speaker 3: launched strikes against Jordan.
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Speaker 2: Iraq and Syria.
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Speaker 3: Now, some were American or British targets, but some were
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Speaker 3: civilian like a luxury hotel in Dubai, like airports. Now,
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Speaker 3: these are majority Muslim nations. So it shows the extent
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Speaker 3: to which the Arab world is now siding against Iran.
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Speaker 2: Now this is crucial.
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Speaker 3: The Gulf Cooperation Council has met, there was a virtual meeting,
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Speaker 3: and they've officially reserved their right to respond to the
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Speaker 3: attacks by Iran. So we may yet see Arab nations
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Speaker 3: actually join the fight alongside America and Israel against Iran.
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Speaker 3: And this is an important fight. There is only one
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Speaker 3: morally right side here. Yet, while the modern Arab world
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Speaker 3: lines up alongside America and Israel, it's been highly unusual
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Speaker 3: to see some leftist Westerners opposing this war. Take New
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Speaker 3: York City Mayor Zoran Mamdani, who did just.
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Speaker 6: That, bombing cities, killing civilians, opening up a new theater
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Speaker 6: of war. Americans do not want this. Americans do not
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Speaker 6: want another war in pursuit of regime change. We want
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Speaker 6: an answer to the affordability crisis.
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Speaker 1: We want peace.
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Speaker 3: And then in Australia, the ABC's John Lyons seemed pretty
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Speaker 3: upset about the war.
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Speaker 7: I think it's being driven by Israel. I think Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump susceptible to being played I think Benjamin and Yo
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Speaker 7: is playing him. I think the real agenda here is
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Speaker 7: for a long time Benjamin Ett and Yo and Israel
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Speaker 7: have wanted regime change in Iran. They've made no secret
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Speaker 7: of that, and I think that they have convinced Donald
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Speaker 7: Trump to come along for this.
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Speaker 3: This is a disease from someone who is so anti
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Speaker 3: Israel that he can't see or think clearly that he
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Speaker 3: has lost rationality to the point that he accuses Alban
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Speaker 3: Ezi and Penny Wong of disinformation.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 7: This is from Anthey Albans, Penny Wong and Richard Miles's
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Speaker 7: Australia stands with the brave people of Iran in their
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Speaker 7: struggle against oppression. That's the first sentence of their statement.
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Speaker 7: What in fact they're saying there, that's just sort of
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Speaker 7: this information. In my view, what they're saying is Australia
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Speaker 7: stands with Israel and the US in their new war
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Speaker 7: on Iran.
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Speaker 2: It's extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: Again, this is the disease of someone who blindly hates
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Speaker 3: Israel to the point that he can't see common sense. Now,
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Speaker 3: Shadow Defense Minister James Patterson had this to say about
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Speaker 3: John Lyons on Chris Kenny Show a little earlier.
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Speaker 8: Those comments by John Lyons are reckless and irresponsible given
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Speaker 8: the climate of antisemitism we've seen in our countries since
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Speaker 8: October seven. Now, it is ludicrous to suggest that President
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Speaker 8: Trump is c controlled by anyone other than himself and
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Speaker 8: that is not making decisions in what he believes is
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Speaker 8: the US national interest and consistent with US values. So
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Speaker 8: for John Lyons to suggest that is outrageous.
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Speaker 3: And the Australian Steve Action reports today that John Lyons,
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Speaker 3: as boss Justin Stevens, was actually in the control room
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Speaker 3: during this biased, nonsensical spray. Now, John lyons position that
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Speaker 3: Trump was acting as a mouthpiece for Israel is actually
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Speaker 3: not dissimilar to that of anti Semite Tucker Carlson, who
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Speaker 3: said this during a conversation with Mike Huckabee.
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Speaker 9: I think the Israeli government right now, on Bibi Netanya,
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Speaker 9: who's been in the White House seven times in one year,
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Speaker 9: pushing for regime change in Iran, I think they're on
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Speaker 9: the verge of convincing this administration to affect REGI think
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Speaker 9: the President is weak and is being pushed, not saying
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Speaker 9: that I know, I know, I know the President's being
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Speaker 9: pushed why do you think a foreign leader was in
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Speaker 9: the White House seven times in one year?
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Speaker 1: Are you okay with that?
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Speaker 3: When the ABC's supposedly impartial and unbiased correspondent is running
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Speaker 3: similar lines to Tucker Carlson, you know there's a serious
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Speaker 3: problem infecting the public broadcaster.
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Speaker 2: The ABC should.
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Speaker 3: Cold time on Lines' period as a commentator. He is
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Speaker 3: simply incapable of impartiality. When you can't understand why the
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Speaker 3: Australian government would support action against a terrorist regime, then
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Speaker 3: perhaps it's you who has the problem. The ABC urgently
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Speaker 3: needs an injection of clarity, sanity and reason for John
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Speaker 3: Lyons to understand why we're in this situation with Iran
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Speaker 3: and to understand why Trump is taking this action. You
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Speaker 3: have to consider the American Iranian deal of twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 3: and it's worthwhile rereading or rewatching Obama's twenty fifteen address
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Speaker 3: when he announced the agreement on nuclear weapons with Iran,
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Speaker 3: and I did this today because it is pure fantasy.
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Speaker 10: There will be twenty four to seven monitoring of Iran's
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Speaker 10: key nuclear facilities four decades. Inspectors will have access to
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Speaker 10: Iran's entire nuclear supply chain well here's the truth. Inspectors
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Speaker 10: will be allowed daily access to Iran's key nuclear sites.
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Speaker 10: If there's a reason for inspecting a suspicious on declared
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Speaker 10: site anywhere in Iran, inspectors will get that access even
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Speaker 10: if Iran objects. Iran will get rid of ninety eight
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Speaker 10: percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium, which is currently
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Speaker 10: enough for up to ten nuclear bombs for the next
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Speaker 10: fifteen years.
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Speaker 3: As I said, that was pure fantasy to think Iran
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Speaker 3: would never have a nuclear weapon and would just give
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Speaker 3: open access to all the inspectors. Now, the Obama policy
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Speaker 3: lifted the economic sanctions on Iran, giving the iatol Is
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Speaker 3: billions of dollars. Obama naively chose to believe, or at
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Speaker 3: least to publicly say, that this would be spent on
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Speaker 3: the Iranian people, but instead, as you know, it meant
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Speaker 3: Iran had the wealth to fund terror globally and to
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Speaker 3: rebuild its nuclear weapons program.
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Speaker 10: Third, a number of critics say the deal isn't worth
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Speaker 10: it because Iran will get billions of dollars in sanctions relief.
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Speaker 1: It is true that if.
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Speaker 10: Iran lives up to its commitments, it will gain access
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Speaker 10: to roughly fifty six billion dollars of its own money.
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Speaker 10: But the notion that this will be a game changer
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Speaker 10: with all this money funneled into Iran's pernicious activities, miss
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Speaker 10: is the reality of Iran's current situation. Iran's leaders have
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Speaker 10: raised the expectations of their people that sanctions relief will
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Speaker 10: improve their lives. Even a repressive regime like Iran's cannot
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Speaker 10: completely ignore those expectations, and that's why our best analysts
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Speaker 10: expect the of this revenue to go into spending that
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Speaker 10: improves the economy and benefits the lives of the Iranian people.
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Speaker 3: That was naive, but worse than that, Obama knew that
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Speaker 3: at least some of the billions would fund terror of
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Speaker 3: a Look.
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Speaker 10: Now, this is not to say the sanctions relief will
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Speaker 10: provide no benefit to Iran's military. Let's stipulate that some
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Speaker 10: of that money will flow to activities that we object to.
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Speaker 10: Iran supports terrorist organizations like Hasbalah. It supports proxy groups
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Speaker 10: that threaten our interests and the interests of our allies,
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Speaker 10: including proxy.
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Speaker 1: Groups who killed our troops in Rock.
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Speaker 10: But Iran has been engaged in these activities for decades.
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Speaker 10: They engaged in them before sanctions and while sanctions were in.
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Speaker 3: Place, Obama missed the point that he would providing billions
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Speaker 3: and billions of dollars to fund terrorism. It's extraordinary how
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Speaker 3: bad his foreign policy was. Now it's not fashionable to
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Speaker 3: praise President Trump, but look at his clarity and strength
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Speaker 3: Compared with Obama.
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Speaker 2: There is no comparison.
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Speaker 3: Trump today articulated the reason for this war, why it's
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Speaker 3: essential not just for peace in our current age, but
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Speaker 3: for the future.
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Speaker 4: We're undertaking this massive operation not merely to ensure security
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Speaker 4: for our own time and place, but for our children
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Speaker 4: and their children, just as our ancestors have done for
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Speaker 4: us many many years ago. This is the duty and
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Speaker 4: the burden of a free people. These actions are right,
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Speaker 4: and they are necessary to ensure that Americans will never
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Speaker 4: have to face a radical, bloodthirsty terroristy armed with nuclear
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Speaker 4: weapons and lots of threats. These intolerable threats will not
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Speaker 4: continue any longer.
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Speaker 3: When you hear the President speak like this, it's clear
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Speaker 3: that he has become a truly impressive and thoughtful leader
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Speaker 3: during his second term as president. There's none of the
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Speaker 3: chaos of his first administration, and he has far exceeded expectations.
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Speaker 3: His leadership is second to none and this is his
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Speaker 3: finest hour. If all goes well, this war could lead
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Speaker 3: to a new era in Iran with better leadership, with democracy,
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Speaker 3: even without oppression or murder of Iranians, and without a
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Speaker 3: regime that terrorizes the world, including here in Australia where
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Speaker 3: at least two firebombings were directed by the IRGC. Now,
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Speaker 3: depending on the subsequent leadership in Iran, and we are
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Speaker 3: yet to see what form this will take, this war
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Speaker 3: could lead to a safer Middle East. Trump and Netta
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Speaker 3: Yahu will have significantly weakened the access of evil and
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Speaker 3: defunded terror globally. This war won't be without its casualties,
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Speaker 3: but it is a necessary one to create a safer future,
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Speaker 3: both here in Australia and around the world. Now, Jonathan
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Speaker 3: Conricus is coming up in a moment, but now for
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Speaker 3: more on this significant time in history, author and former
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism envoy Noah Tishbi joins us live from Israel. Noah,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time. Now, the dismantling
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Speaker 3: of Around's nuclear program and the very regime itself may
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Speaker 3: not have happened without the attack in October seven. And Noah,
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Speaker 3: when you think of all the terror leaders who have
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Speaker 3: now been killed since then, putting Israel in a far
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Speaker 3: stronger position than ever before.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Look, it's great to be here. I'm currently in
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Speaker 11: Tel Aviv. I'm actually underground at a friend's office that
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Speaker 11: also has a shelter. We've been in and out of
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Speaker 11: shelters in the last forty eight hours. But nobody in
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Speaker 11: Israel is confused about what needs to happen. This was
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Speaker 11: a common analysis that happened after October seventh that what
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Speaker 11: started with Yehiya, Sinoir and Ramas is going to end
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Speaker 11: with Ramanai and Iran. It's almost like a butterfly effect
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Speaker 11: that started with this horrific attack on Israel. The thing
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Speaker 11: is this, Israel does not have imperialistic intent in the
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Speaker 11: Middle East. Israel wants to be integrated into the Middle
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Speaker 11: East as an equal, modern country, and Iran would not
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Speaker 11: allow this. For so, for the last forty seven years,
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Speaker 11: Iran built this ring of fire around Israel with the
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Speaker 11: intent of taking Israel down, and not just that, And
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Speaker 11: that is what people need to understand. This war is
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Speaker 11: not just Israel's war, not just the US's war. This
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Speaker 11: is the entire Middle East and the entire world. Iran
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Speaker 11: is the head of the tentacle behind every almost every
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Speaker 11: world issue these days, every terrorist attack, there is Iran,
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Speaker 11: the Islamic Republic of Iran. So we have listened finally
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Speaker 11: to the people of Iran that have been trying to
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Speaker 11: come out from underneath this horrible Islamist regime and doing
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Speaker 11: what needs to be done. I just hope and pray
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Speaker 11: that this ends as fast as we possibly can and
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Speaker 11: with the least amount of innocent casualties as possible. I
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Speaker 11: know the Israelis are very resilient. There's no confusion in
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Speaker 11: Israel as to what we're doing here and what needs
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Speaker 11: to be done, no matter if you're on the left
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Speaker 11: and the right, the center, and I know that the
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Speaker 11: Iranian people feel the same, and that's what we're doing.
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Speaker 3: As you just mentioned you are in Israel. Can you
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Speaker 3: tell us what it's been like over the past two days,
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Speaker 3: you know, people, because in Australia, you know, we have
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Speaker 3: never seen anything like that. You know, entire family sleeping
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Speaker 3: in their bomb shelters.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been it's been intense.
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Speaker 11: It's been intense. You are, nobody's going out of the street,
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Speaker 11: everything's shut down, it's only essential businesses like you know,
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Speaker 11: stores and pharmacies, I mean supermarkets and pharmacies that are open.
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Speaker 11: And we spent the last two days running in and
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Speaker 11: out of shelters. I was visiting my sister's house yesterday
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Speaker 11: and when I drove back home, I was caught outside
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Speaker 11: in three sirens and had to get out of the
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Speaker 11: car and.
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Speaker 2: Lay on the road.
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Speaker 11: And you hear explosions and you hear the intercepts behind,
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Speaker 11: you know, above your head. It's very intense.
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Speaker 2: It's very intense.
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Speaker 11: But again, israelis understand why this needs to happen, and
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Speaker 11: we're gonna We're gonna take one for the team, as
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Speaker 11: in team modern civilization. That's all we're doing here.
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Speaker 3: Noah, When you see people on the left protesting against
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Speaker 3: this wall, when you hear people like z around Mamdani
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Speaker 3: the New York City, you know, saying that this war
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Speaker 3: shouldn't be happening, what's your response.
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Speaker 11: It's shocking, It's absolutely shocking. They literally do not listen
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Speaker 11: to the people of Iran. There is an Islamist experiment
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Speaker 11: that is being taken place here that has been going
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Speaker 11: on for forty seven years, you know, with the Iranian Revolution.
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Speaker 11: What happened basically was it was the first time in
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Speaker 11: modern history that a country was ruled by Muslim law
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Speaker 11: fully by Sharia law. And this has been going on
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Speaker 11: for forty seven years, and we saw what it's bringing
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Speaker 11: to the people. We saw the murders and the rapes
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Speaker 11: and the oppression of women.
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Speaker 2: We saw what this is.
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Speaker 11: So if you're any kind of person that likes Western values,
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Speaker 11: it doesn't matter what you think of Trump or what
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Speaker 11: you think of Bib, you need to be supportive of
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Speaker 11: taking this regime down.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 11: Kama Harris spoke up against it. Maybe she doesn't know,
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Speaker 11: but Zara Mamdani, from his background, he should know what
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Speaker 11: an Islamist regime is and to hear him supporting the
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Speaker 11: existence of this regime is absolutely shocking an appalling.
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Speaker 3: You're not honest, right, Noah Tishbi, thank you so much
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Speaker 3: for joining us, and please stay safe over there.
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Speaker 2: And let's bring it now.
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Speaker 3: Also live from Israel, former IDF spokesman Jonathan Conricus, Jonathan,
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Speaker 3: good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: We've seen Iran.
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Speaker 3: Strike many Arab nations. I mentioned them a bit earlier.
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Speaker 2: What impact does this happen?
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Speaker 3: Is this having in actually galvanizing support for Israel and
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Speaker 3: America from the moderate Muslim world, and do you expect
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Speaker 3: some of the Arab nations may actually now join the
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Speaker 3: fight against Iran.
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Speaker 12: Yes, Shalalon from Israel, thanks for having me on. I'd
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Speaker 12: say that the Iranian strategy to fire at neighboring countries
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Speaker 12: to hit strategic civilian infrastructure in those countries. We're talking
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Speaker 12: about Baheren, Katal, the Uaes, Audi Arabia, Kuwait, and Oman
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Speaker 12: and Jordan and even Cyprus, which is further away. But
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Speaker 12: the Iranian strategy is probably to try to create pressure
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Speaker 12: on the US to stop the war because US allies
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Speaker 12: in the region are hurting from Iranian attacks. So far,
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Speaker 12: that isn't working, and I don't think that that strategy
24:23
Speaker 12: is going to be productive for the Iranians. On the contrary,
24:28
Speaker 12: I think it's going to backfire, and it actually already is.
24:32
Speaker 12: We've seen strong statements relatively speaking, from the Saudis and
24:37
Speaker 12: the Emiratis. After you know, the Emiratis made account of
24:41
Speaker 12: more than one hundred and fifty five ballistic missiles fired
24:45
Speaker 12: from Iran and more than five hundred drones. That's not
24:49
Speaker 12: a small number. That's a sizable amount of weapons and
24:53
Speaker 12: explosives that the Iranians fired at the UAE, causing casualties
24:58
Speaker 12: of course, and causing significant a and the UAE and
25:01
Speaker 12: the saudiast have said that yes they are now and
25:04
Speaker 12: there was a joint statement by the Ministers Foreign Ministers
25:07
Speaker 12: of the Golf Cooperation Council saying that we are now
25:10
Speaker 12: getting ready to take action to defend ourselves, which isn't
25:16
Speaker 12: yet saying that they're actually taking action. If you do
25:19
Speaker 12: take action, you just do it, and you just you
25:21
Speaker 12: don't say that you're about to usually. But the bottom
25:25
Speaker 12: nine is that I think the Iranian strategy here is
25:27
Speaker 12: a or Uranian actions are an expression of panic of
25:33
Speaker 12: really losing their call and lashing out in a way
25:36
Speaker 12: that is counterproductive to their own interest. It is also
25:41
Speaker 12: very exposing. The Iranians are killing civilians indiscriminately all across
25:46
Speaker 12: the Middle East. They are firing at civilian targets. Yesterday,
25:50
Speaker 12: nine Israeli civilians were murdered in Becemesh, kind of a
25:54
Speaker 12: suburb of Jerusalem. Two others were murdered before in separate
25:59
Speaker 12: incidents in Tel Avisi, all civilians. We have civilian casualties
26:03
Speaker 12: in the UAE, in Qatar, in Kuwait, and we see
26:08
Speaker 12: the Uranians just lashing out in what appears to be
26:12
Speaker 12: some wanton aggression that is very exposing as to who
26:17
Speaker 12: they are. So that is what we anticipated. We anticipated
26:21
Speaker 12: that the Iranians would do that, they threatened that they would,
26:24
Speaker 12: but I think they are now surprised with the how
26:27
Speaker 12: this is being received. And maybe these Muslim countries will
26:33
Speaker 12: summon the courage and the leadership to actually defend themselves
26:36
Speaker 12: and not only have Israel and the US do the
26:38
Speaker 12: heavy lifting.
26:40
Speaker 3: And it seems like they might. As you said, they
26:42
Speaker 3: haven't indicated that they will. They've reserved their right, but
26:46
Speaker 3: we might see some of that action, which would be
26:48
Speaker 3: utterly extraordinary, you know, to actually see some of those
26:52
Speaker 3: modern Arab nations fight against Iran, which has been such
26:57
Speaker 3: a destabilizing force in the re Now, I also want
27:01
Speaker 3: to ask you about the war goals from Israel's perspective.
27:06
Speaker 3: What do these look like and does it include a
27:09
Speaker 3: more democratic leadership regime?
27:14
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't know about democracy. That's a big word
27:18
Speaker 12: and it's not a very popular one in the Middle East.
27:21
Speaker 12: There are other forms of governance that are more popular here. Unfortunately,
27:26
Speaker 12: unlike in Israel, but I'd say this, I think that
27:29
Speaker 12: Israel's ultimate long term goal not necessarily only this war
27:33
Speaker 12: against Iran now the military part of it, but when
27:36
Speaker 12: we look strategic and long term, is to see the
27:40
Speaker 12: demise of this extremist regime which has been waging indirect
27:45
Speaker 12: and direct war against Israel for the better part of
27:48
Speaker 12: more than thirty years. In my mind, it's, you know,
27:52
Speaker 12: very we've waited too long to take this action because
27:56
Speaker 12: the Iranian regime has been the aggressor against Israel, funding
28:01
Speaker 12: and arming all of our enemies, attacking us with ballistic missiles,
28:05
Speaker 12: and openly not only calling for, but actually pursuing the
28:09
Speaker 12: destruction of the state of Israel. So we are well
28:12
Speaker 12: within our rights to seek to defeat this regime, and
28:17
Speaker 12: I think we're just a bit late in doing it.
28:19
Speaker 12: That is the ultimate goal here now, whether the Iranian
28:23
Speaker 12: people will be able to channel this and turn the
28:27
Speaker 12: Iran into a democracy that's mostly, if not uniquely, up
28:32
Speaker 12: to them. What I think Israel and the US are providing,
28:36
Speaker 12: hopefully will be providing, are the conditions of weakening of
28:40
Speaker 12: the regime, weakening of their centers of power, of their
28:44
Speaker 12: key personnel, their infrastructure, the oppressive infrastructure and the tools
28:49
Speaker 12: that the Islamic regime has had in place in order
28:51
Speaker 12: to oppress the Iranian people. That is what Israel and
28:55
Speaker 12: the US are doing. And today Israel has been striking
28:58
Speaker 12: various regime targets yesterday and today, various regime targets which
29:03
Speaker 12: are designed exactly to do that, to weaken the regime
29:07
Speaker 12: so that the Iranian people can rise up and reclaim
29:09
Speaker 12: their country. How long will it take, How messy will
29:13
Speaker 12: the process be, what will the casualties be on the way?
29:16
Speaker 12: That is extremely difficult to assess. We can all hope
29:18
Speaker 12: for a relatively peaceful transition, but we know from history
29:22
Speaker 12: that these things usually aren't peaceful, and it hasn't been
29:25
Speaker 12: peaceful so far. But at the end of it, I
29:27
Speaker 12: think the aim is to see a Middle East without
29:31
Speaker 12: this crazy and very oppressive and brutal and terror supporting
29:36
Speaker 12: regime in Iran, and I think once we get there,
29:39
Speaker 12: it'll be a much better place.
29:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:41
Speaker 3: All right, Jonathan Conrik is fascinating insights, and I really
29:45
Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on with your expertise.
29:47
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.
29:49
Speaker 3: All right, well, let's turn to the domestic response here
29:51
Speaker 3: in Australia. Now Foreign Minister Penny Wong has urged a
29:55
Speaker 3: favorite word, de escalation.
29:59
Speaker 13: We do not on to see this escalate into a
30:02
Speaker 13: wider regional conflict. We continue towards the protection of civilian life,
30:07
Speaker 13: and as others have, we seek the resumption of dialogue
30:11
Speaker 13: and diplomacy.
30:15
Speaker 3: Shouldn't the message from Australia be do what you must
30:19
Speaker 3: and thank you?
30:21
Speaker 2: Is that too hard?
30:23
Speaker 3: Joining me now a Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson, Tim, thanks
30:27
Speaker 3: for your time. Now this is Penniwong's default position to
30:30
Speaker 3: call for de escalation while America and Israel do the
30:34
Speaker 3: heavy lifting to fight terror on behalf of the international community.
30:39
Speaker 3: What do you think of the response from the Albaneze government.
30:45
Speaker 14: Well, let's be honest with showing out of it's really
30:47
Speaker 14: surprising because they suffer from moral relativism and equivalents. They
30:52
Speaker 14: can't actually understand that the job of what the United
30:54
Speaker 14: States is doing in Israeli is doing is not just
30:56
Speaker 14: defending their own interests. They're defending the entire regime of
31:00
Speaker 14: global and international stability and peace instability around the world.
31:06
Speaker 14: Iran's regime has been an exporter of terrorism, including into
31:10
Speaker 14: our own country. It is a nation that treats its
31:14
Speaker 14: own citizens very cruelly and brutally. Of course, it's been
31:19
Speaker 14: financing and sponsoring attacks on Israel, including October seven, and
31:23
Speaker 14: of course subjugates women and murders homosexual So there's kind
31:27
Speaker 14: of no ambiguity about the evilness of the regime and
31:31
Speaker 14: the Islamic regime. Of course, we don't want to see
31:35
Speaker 14: it escalate, that's not in question. But the first thing
31:38
Speaker 14: we should really be signaling is our strength and support
31:40
Speaker 14: for our allies in standing up for global peace and stability.
31:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I just want to turn to the position
31:48
Speaker 3: of the Liberal Party briefly.
31:49
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to Iran with other guests.
31:52
Speaker 3: Don't worry, but Tim Wilson, this is the first time
31:54
Speaker 3: you've been on the program since you've become Shadow Treasurer.
31:57
Speaker 3: We've seen news poll today in the Australia Alien the
32:00
Speaker 3: coalition's primary vote lifted to twenty percent, so is still
32:04
Speaker 3: very low. Labours has dropped to thirty two percent.
32:07
Speaker 2: But Tim's still looming.
32:08
Speaker 3: Over both major parties. Is the political threat of one nation?
32:12
Speaker 3: Do you think this is fueled by cost of living
32:16
Speaker 3: pain and also the immigration debate Post Bondai.
32:22
Speaker 14: Well, research actually shows quite clearly that there's a lot
32:26
Speaker 14: of middle finger voting going on, where you know, a
32:28
Speaker 14: lot of voters feel like they want change. They're very
32:31
Speaker 14: unhappy with the government and they're expecting us to rise
32:35
Speaker 14: to the challenge and they don't feel we have, so
32:37
Speaker 14: they've been looking at other options. You know, I don't
32:39
Speaker 14: disabuse myself of this. I think that we need to
32:42
Speaker 14: do better. We need to send very clear messages to
32:45
Speaker 14: this train community. We're hearing their frustration and we need
32:49
Speaker 14: to actually perform at a level to hold the government
32:52
Speaker 14: to account. This is not a popular government, but people
32:55
Speaker 14: want change. They want us united and focused to deliver
32:58
Speaker 14: that change and to build a better future for Australians.
33:02
Speaker 14: You know, there's mixed views about how we've performed so far,
33:06
Speaker 14: but the only call I see from this is do
33:08
Speaker 14: better and that's my intention.
33:10
Speaker 3: One of the biggest areas is the economy, you know,
33:14
Speaker 3: where in a cost of living crisis, we've had an
33:16
Speaker 3: interest rate rise, inflation is still rising, whereas it's come
33:20
Speaker 3: down in most other developed nations around the world, Australia
33:24
Speaker 3: is in one of the worst positions of OECD nations.
33:28
Speaker 3: Do you you know, but there hasn't been an opposition
33:30
Speaker 3: to the Treasurer Jim Chalmers from the Coalition, Do you
33:33
Speaker 3: think you can take that fight on the economy up
33:36
Speaker 3: to him.
33:39
Speaker 14: Well, I have been, I will be, and I will
33:41
Speaker 14: continue to do so. And it's been really noticeable how
33:45
Speaker 14: Tetchi the Treasurer has become where he doesn't like being
33:49
Speaker 14: challenged about the fact that he's pouring debt, petrol and
33:52
Speaker 14: the inflation fire. We now have very clear evidence that
33:55
Speaker 14: he is the primary driver of the problems that Australians
33:59
Speaker 14: are feeling in inflation and through rising grocery prices. He
34:04
Speaker 14: likes to find tricky ways to get around it, but
34:07
Speaker 14: we're going to hold him to account, continue to hold
34:10
Speaker 14: himTo account because.
34:11
Speaker 1: Too much is at stake.
34:12
Speaker 14: This is not just some sort of time like years
34:15
Speaker 14: past where we can rest in our laurels. Now is
34:18
Speaker 14: the time for good people to stand up. International circumstances
34:21
Speaker 14: show the cost of not doing so, and the same
34:23
Speaker 14: is true in domestic politics. We need to offer a
34:25
Speaker 14: very clear vision about a better way forward, and particularly
34:28
Speaker 14: to give people in small and family businesses and the
34:32
Speaker 14: self employed hope for the future.
34:35
Speaker 3: You've written a piece in the Herald Sun today. You've
34:37
Speaker 3: accused the Victorian labor government of presiding over a cartel
34:42
Speaker 3: with the CFMAU with billions in big build spending effectively
34:46
Speaker 3: being funneled to organized crime. What's your single most serious
34:52
Speaker 3: claim here, Tim, Well.
34:55
Speaker 14: We have a gangster government in Victoria and there's no
34:58
Speaker 14: other way to describe it. A relationship between the Premier
35:02
Speaker 14: Jacinta Allen, who knew evidence her own from her own
35:06
Speaker 14: department show she knew that public money was being funneled
35:09
Speaker 14: into organized crime through the CFMU labor cartel on big
35:13
Speaker 14: bill projects. Independent corruption watchdogs have estimated that it's up
35:19
Speaker 14: to thirty billion dollars that has found its way into
35:23
Speaker 14: the hands of organized crime through the CFMU and labor
35:26
Speaker 14: cartel networks. This gangster government must go. It's not just
35:31
Speaker 14: about partisanship. It's about whether Victorians have confidence that they
35:35
Speaker 14: don't have a completely corrupt and corrupted government.
35:39
Speaker 2: All right, Tim Wilson, really appreciate your time. Thank you.
35:43
Speaker 2: Still to come.
35:43
Speaker 3: I'll show you the Greens meltdown over the strikes in
35:46
Speaker 3: Iran and New South I was Premier. Chris Mins hints
35:50
Speaker 3: that when he may step down from the top job,
35:53
Speaker 3: Ray Hadley, we'll be here next. Well, the Greens have
35:59
Speaker 3: called the strikes on Iran illegal and disgraceful, and here
36:03
Speaker 3: was Green's leader, Larissa Waters.
36:06
Speaker 15: The Greens condemned Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanya, who's illegal
36:11
Speaker 15: and unilateral attacks. War is never the answer and you
36:16
Speaker 15: cannot bomb your way to peace.
36:19
Speaker 3: Joining me now is veteran broadcaster radio legend Ray Hadley.
36:22
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Green's got their way, what Iran
36:25
Speaker 3: would be just allowed to have a nuclear weapon because
36:27
Speaker 3: war is never the answer.
36:29
Speaker 16: Look, she's a fairly intelligent woman, Larissa Waters. I would
36:32
Speaker 16: have thought, but just I was, well, maybe I'll resolve
36:37
Speaker 16: from that. But look, I was listening to you with
36:40
Speaker 16: your opener and going through it, and I'd heard what
36:42
Speaker 16: she'd said earlier.
36:44
Speaker 1: For her benefit, I went and had a look.
36:48
Speaker 16: The United Nations General Assembly and Human Rights Commission have
36:50
Speaker 16: condemned Iran's practices, which include extra judicial killings, torture, white
36:55
Speaker 16: better rest of protesters, women face aghibit, legal and practical
36:59
Speaker 16: discriminator Larissa, because it regards marriage, divorce, inheritance, public conduct
37:06
Speaker 16: penalties like singing, public ecopa, flogging. Now for the people,
37:11
Speaker 16: and of course the Greens are all about fair rights
37:14
Speaker 16: for prisoners. They've got no rights in Iran, they've got
37:16
Speaker 16: no legal representation.
37:18
Speaker 3: What about homosexuality, Well, I'm glad you asked me.
37:21
Speaker 16: Gay rights in Iran are virtually non existent under a
37:23
Speaker 16: legal system that strictly criminalized the same sex conduct, with
37:26
Speaker 16: penalties ranging from flogging to the death penalty. Now, in
37:30
Speaker 16: relation to this, for men, penalties for sodomy include the death.
37:33
Speaker 1: Penalty for the passive partner.
37:35
Speaker 16: Women partaking in lesbian sex punishable by one hundred lashes
37:41
Speaker 16: for each party.
37:42
Speaker 1: A fourth convintion, Larissa is the death penalty.
37:46
Speaker 16: And you think Israel, the United States, and shortly I
37:50
Speaker 16: think Arab nations interfering with people living in that oppressive regime.
37:56
Speaker 16: And of course you're against every one of those things.
37:59
Speaker 16: Here in Australia. You praise, you praise all the time
38:04
Speaker 16: gay activists. You want people to have a better say
38:06
Speaker 16: and a better way of life.
38:07
Speaker 1: And I agree with you.
38:08
Speaker 16: You want a better deal for prisoners, you want legal representation, Well,
38:13
Speaker 16: in Iran they've got none of that. And here you
38:15
Speaker 16: are parroting this rubbish, not just you, collectively, If we
38:19
Speaker 16: put the Greens in every state and territory in Federal
38:22
Speaker 16: Parliament in a room and said brains were dynamite, they
38:25
Speaker 16: wouldn't blow their ears off. They're that stupid. And that
38:28
Speaker 16: comment from her is that stupid. Iran is a terrible
38:32
Speaker 16: place to live. You've only got to look at the
38:33
Speaker 16: Iranian Australian celebrating the demise of the Atolla to know that.
38:38
Speaker 16: I mean, it's not about Israel, it's not about the
38:41
Speaker 16: United States. As I said, the Arab nations, they get involved,
38:45
Speaker 16: Iran's going to get a fair tickle up.
38:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be absolutely huge. And you know, Larissa
38:50
Speaker 3: Walter says, don't drag us into it. Well, Australia is
38:53
Speaker 3: already involved in a sense because we've had two Iranian
38:58
Speaker 3: directed attacks on our soil. We have felt the impact
39:03
Speaker 3: of this terror regime.
39:05
Speaker 16: And if I hear Penny Wong say one more time,
39:07
Speaker 16: we've got to solve this by diplomacy. Penny, you're a
39:12
Speaker 16: proud gay woman and I respect you hugely for what
39:17
Speaker 16: you stand for. Stand up for those poor people in
39:20
Speaker 16: that oppressive regime who can't have the luxury of the
39:23
Speaker 16: life that you afford yourself, and we support for goodness sake,
39:28
Speaker 16: Stop talking about the plomacy when it doesn't work, when
39:31
Speaker 16: women are getting flogged or murdered because they have a
39:33
Speaker 16: relationship with another woman.
39:35
Speaker 1: Goodness, gracious me, it's it's unconscionable.
39:40
Speaker 2: Well said Ray, Thank you, well.
39:43
Speaker 1: Said bizarre, absolutely bizarre.
39:46
Speaker 2: Well mosques and sheeite community groups.
39:49
Speaker 1: I just calm down, you've just come down.
39:51
Speaker 3: I'm going to get that about.
39:56
Speaker 1: Morning period exactly that it should be jumping up in
39:59
Speaker 1: the air saying, how good are you gone.
40:01
Speaker 3: They're honoring him as a martyr, all these ceremonies to
40:07
Speaker 3: praise his life, honor him now. The Premier, Chris Mens,
40:10
Speaker 3: has called it atrocious. But there's been this suggestion that
40:14
Speaker 3: you know, these mosques may or may not be breaching
40:16
Speaker 3: the law.
40:17
Speaker 2: We don't know that yet.
40:18
Speaker 3: But do you do you agree with those who have
40:20
Speaker 3: said that it should at least be investigated because the
40:24
Speaker 3: IIGC is now a prescribed terror group in Australia.
40:28
Speaker 16: Well, I think the Premier is right, as he often
40:30
Speaker 16: is on these matters. He can read the tea leaves
40:32
Speaker 16: pretty quickly. Chris Men's it is atrocious. It is atrocious.
40:36
Speaker 16: It's an Australian and whether it's illegal, it's certainly immoral
40:42
Speaker 16: given his history over four decades of what he's done
40:45
Speaker 16: to that nation and what he's done to his own
40:48
Speaker 16: men and women in that nation. So I mean, I
40:51
Speaker 16: saw the reports of stuff, and I heard the praise
40:54
Speaker 16: coming from one of the sheikhs about the Ayatoler, and
40:57
Speaker 16: I thought, well, this blake must be an Iran. But
41:00
Speaker 16: he's here in southwestern Sydney.
41:03
Speaker 1: And I think that people need to keep.
41:05
Speaker 16: A very close eye authorities about people like this because
41:08
Speaker 16: obviously they have a different view on lifeter.
41:10
Speaker 1: The rest of us.
41:12
Speaker 3: It's an indication of the extent of the problem we
41:15
Speaker 3: have where there is support for terror groups.
41:19
Speaker 1: It's probably why Pauline has gone up and the Poles effectively, because.
41:23
Speaker 16: I mean, just on Pauline, Oh he fell off my chairy.
41:28
Speaker 16: That would have been something that would have been something
41:30
Speaker 16: on social media.
41:31
Speaker 1: Hadley takes a tumble, how good like theme? And obviously
41:35
Speaker 1: I didn't fall I'm like the Prime Minister. I stepped
41:37
Speaker 1: back and there was not a space there. I didn't
41:39
Speaker 1: fall over.
41:41
Speaker 2: And it's not a setup. Work together. The chair look
41:43
Speaker 2: to lean.
41:44
Speaker 1: Back again, paul can you get a new chair for
41:46
Speaker 1: me please? But he's the CEO here. Anyway, back to
41:49
Speaker 1: what Pauline.
41:50
Speaker 16: Yes, now, she almost channeled John Cleese today in that
41:56
Speaker 16: great chair forty Towers when he did something wrong and he.
41:58
Speaker 1: Said, who's a naughty boy?
42:00
Speaker 16: And so there's Pauline. She brings this color to Parliament.
42:03
Speaker 16: That's why people like her.
42:04
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll slap my wrist. Who's an aaudy girl?
42:08
Speaker 16: I mean, only Pauline gets away with that sort of stuff,
42:10
Speaker 16: and that's why people warm to her. And that's probably
42:12
Speaker 16: why despite me disagreeing with her on many things.
42:15
Speaker 3: Because she's authentic. It's kindor similar to Donald Trump. They're
42:19
Speaker 3: very authentic. So if they make mistakes, people forgive well, and.
42:22
Speaker 16: She's been making mistakes since ninety ninety six, but I
42:26
Speaker 16: mean they forgive her because she shoots from the hip
42:29
Speaker 16: and sometimes she the rapid fire gets a little wide
42:32
Speaker 16: of the range, I think. But anyway, well done, Pauline
42:35
Speaker 16: channeling John Cleese today.
42:37
Speaker 2: So I said we were going to speak about this
42:39
Speaker 2: the premiere.
42:39
Speaker 3: Chris Mins caused some speculation today when he said, presumably
42:44
Speaker 3: in passing, that he wouldn't be premier by the time
42:47
Speaker 3: the Metro West opens in twenty thirty two.
42:50
Speaker 2: Well, opposition Lyder.
42:51
Speaker 3: Kelly Sloane very quickly put out a social media video.
42:56
Speaker 15: Chris Mins has admitted he won't be around in his
42:58
Speaker 15: role as premiere in twenty thirty two. Now that is
43:02
Speaker 15: an admission he is not serving a full term if
43:05
Speaker 15: he wins the election next March.
43:07
Speaker 2: So let's be clear about this.
43:09
Speaker 15: A vote for Chris Mins that the next election is
43:12
Speaker 15: really a vote for someone else.
43:14
Speaker 2: He has no long term vision for our state.
43:18
Speaker 3: I have to say, Ray, everyone always seems to play
43:20
Speaker 3: so nice in New South Wales politics that it's kind
43:24
Speaker 3: of surprising to see something like that.
43:26
Speaker 16: Well, Kelly is basically a nice person. But there is
43:29
Speaker 16: an election in twenty twenty seven, then there's one in
43:31
Speaker 16: twenty thirty one. I mean it would be biggest statement
43:34
Speaker 16: is I hope I'm alive when the Metro West Apiens,
43:36
Speaker 16: which may not be twenty might be twenty thirty four, five.
43:39
Speaker 1: Six or seven.
43:40
Speaker 2: I hope you're not saying that, Ray, No, I'm.
43:41
Speaker 1: Not saying that for good. But what I say off
43:44
Speaker 1: the chair it was someone under there? Is that pricey
43:48
Speaker 1: again anyway? No.
43:50
Speaker 16: The thing about it is I'd be surprised if he
43:53
Speaker 16: said I'm going to stay on I'm not surprised he's
43:54
Speaker 16: saying I'm going to be gone by twenty thirty two,
43:57
Speaker 16: and he might never say in that, you know, they
43:59
Speaker 16: might get him from within his own party. So, I
44:02
Speaker 16: mean it was a frailway line. I think he was
44:05
Speaker 16: talking about the Metro West and the fact that it
44:07
Speaker 16: may or may not be built by twenty thirty two
44:09
Speaker 16: or three or four or five.
44:10
Speaker 1: But I won't be here for twenty thirty two.
44:12
Speaker 16: Well, I mean there's an election in twenty twenty seven,
44:15
Speaker 16: twenty thirty one. I don't think there's any big scoop
44:17
Speaker 16: there that he might not be here, and Kelly Slaan
44:20
Speaker 16: wants to have that. She's leading the party to victory
44:22
Speaker 16: in twenty twenty seven, albeit twenty thirty one maybe, and
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Speaker 16: to get there.
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Speaker 3: I guess we can expect a bit more of the
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Speaker 3: mongrel from her.
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Speaker 16: The attack videos, well, yeah, I mean I've often said
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Speaker 16: to politicians and Tony Abbott never took much of that,
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Speaker 16: or help me when he was fighting the battle the
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Speaker 16: beat Labor at the time, I said, look, you've got
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Speaker 16: to get a bit of mud on you, because when
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Speaker 16: you're wrestling with pigs, you're going to end up with
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Speaker 16: a bit of mud on you, and you've got to
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Speaker 16: get down and dirty with him. And he just to
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Speaker 16: look at me and say, Ray, that's not the way
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Speaker 16: I operate. Well, well, I'm not a politician.
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Speaker 2: Well well he was. I mean he did. He was
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Speaker 2: good with the negative campaigning in.
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Speaker 1: The in the end, yeah he did. He didn't get
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Speaker 1: quite as it is I wanted to begin.
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Speaker 2: He got there.
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Speaker 16: He moved a bit away from his from his Catholic
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Speaker 16: background of being nice.
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Speaker 3: All right, Ray Hadley, always such a pleasure having you
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Speaker 3: on the show.
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Speaker 2: Loved your comments tonight. I always get so much feedback afterwards.
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Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks lovely to be with you for you Next week.
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Speaker 3: Still ahead, who will take over from com and A? Well,
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Speaker 3: we look at the successes, are they better or worse?
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Speaker 3: Plus Trump Sararan strikes are detonating inside MAGA. Peter Jennings
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Speaker 3: would join me after the break. Okay, let's turn now
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Speaker 3: to who comes next? After Aotola Ali Comena and joining
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Speaker 3: me to discuss this Former Defense Deputy Secretary for Strategy,
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Speaker 3: Peter Jennings.
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Speaker 2: Peter, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 3: Look talk us through the possible successes and how this
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Speaker 3: process plays out.
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Speaker 17: So I have to look down at my notes Shari
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Speaker 17: to make sure I'm getting the names right. But basically
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Speaker 17: what I'm reading today is so even people are the
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Speaker 17: ones which are being most commonly spoken about as potential leaders.
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Speaker 17: And I'm going to think of this group as the
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Speaker 17: Sinister seven because none of them sound particularly good to me.
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Speaker 17: Iotola Kamena, before he died, he identified three people to
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Speaker 17: form an assembly of experts whose job it was to
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Speaker 17: run the country after his death and pick a new
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Speaker 17: Supreme Leader. And they are the Chief Justice musseni Iji,
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Speaker 17: who is nominally governing right now. This is a guy,
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Speaker 17: Shari who was actually responsible for presiding over a significant
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Speaker 17: number of the executions of protesters which took place in
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Speaker 17: January in February, so he's the nominal lead. The second
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Speaker 17: person comin a picked is actually dead. That was his
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Speaker 17: chief of staff, Ali Ashgar Hejazi, killed in the same
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Speaker 17: strike that killed Kamena. And number three is his grandson
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Speaker 17: Hassan Kamine, who's described as a moderate cleric and as
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Speaker 17: far as I can see, he doesn't have a particular
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Speaker 17: claim to leadership in Iran other than the family relationship
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Speaker 17: with the now dead Supreme Leader. So that's the assembly
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Speaker 17: of experts. Then we get to others that are being
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Speaker 17: named possibly the real power behind the throne right now,
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Speaker 17: Ali Laranjani, who is the National Security Council chief being
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Speaker 17: described effectively as the actual leader. And I saw some
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Speaker 17: film of him in discussion today with the actual president
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Speaker 17: of Iran, Masud Bisheshi Khan, who looked like a dead
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Speaker 17: man walking. He looked like an individual who had foreseen
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Speaker 17: his own his own death chari and not particularly a
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Speaker 17: strong figure, always regarded as a moderate in the Iranian context.
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Speaker 17: Last two there's Kamana's son Majiba, who issipally known for
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Speaker 17: running the militia groups that have been responsible for so
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Speaker 17: many of the extra judicial killings that took place during
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Speaker 17: the protest movement of January and February. And then we
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Speaker 17: have the current acting head of the Islamist Revolutionary Guards Corps,
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Speaker 17: that is to say, the military armed Vahidi. Now he's
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Speaker 17: in that job because his boss was killed in the
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Speaker 17: initial strike as well. So what I'd say about these
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Speaker 17: seven people is they represent the survivors of the current
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Speaker 17: authoritarian regime. All of these people, Shari will be on
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Speaker 17: target lists of both the United States and Israel, and
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Speaker 17: really cannot be guaranteed to survive the Knights, let alone
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Speaker 17: to become a sort of an interim head of an
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Speaker 17: Iran post war. And I think the final land that's
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Speaker 17: probably worth mentioning is Razor Plavi, who is the son
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Speaker 17: of the original Shah of Iran.
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Speaker 1: Plavi was.
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Speaker 17: Overseas when the Iranian Revolution took place in nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 17: He was actually receiving Air Force training at the time.
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Speaker 17: It's declared himself as the new Shah and potentially stands
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Speaker 17: out as a sort of a symbolic figure that could
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Speaker 17: take over a post regime of via tolers. So that's
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Speaker 17: the group, and I'd say very few of them I think,
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Speaker 17: given the current pace of the military campaign, would be
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Speaker 17: likely to survive of that group of sinister seven beyond
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Speaker 17: the weekend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll see in the coming weeks. Peter Jennings,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: After the break.
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Speaker 3: The coincidence of history repeating itself, that's next.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: I don't speak about religion much because I'm not personally religious,
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Speaker 3: but there's a coincidence today that's too uncanny not to mention.
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Speaker 2: Around two four hundred years ago on this very date.
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Speaker 3: In Iran it was then known as Persia. The Jews
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Speaker 3: celebrated the fall of Haman. Now Hamman was an advisor
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Speaker 3: to the king who planned to kill all of the
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Speaker 3: Jews in the Persian Empire, but the Queen of Persia
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Speaker 3: Ester and her cousin Mordechai intervened and as a result,
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Speaker 3: there's a Jewish holiday that celebrated every year at this
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Speaker 3: time called Purim.
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Speaker 2: The children dress up. It's a very happy festival.
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Speaker 3: But what's quite amazing is that history is now repeating
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Speaker 3: itself at the exact same date in the calendar. The
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Speaker 3: Iranian Supreme leader aotole Aotola Khamenei has been killed. He
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Speaker 3: tried to destroy Israel who he was behind global terror attacks.
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Speaker 3: We are watching history repeat itself two four hundred years later,
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Speaker 3: the defeat of a regime of hatred and destruction. It's
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Speaker 3: also a reminder that our survival can't be taken for granted.
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Speaker 3: And on that note, thanks for your company this evening.
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Speaker 3: And here's poor Marie