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- 0:02Speaker 1: Life Audio.
- 0:05Speaker 2: What if the tears, stomach aches, or sudden mood swings
- 0:09Speaker 2: your child is experiencing right now aren't just back to
- 0:12Speaker 2: school nerves, but signs of anxiety their brain doesn't yet
- 0:17Speaker 2: know how to process. As backpacks are packed and school
- 0:21Speaker 2: doors reopen, many families are quietly navigating a surge of stress, fear,
- 0:26Speaker 2: and emotional overwhelm. Your child may not have the words
- 0:29Speaker 2: to explain what they're feeling, but their behavior is speaking loudly.
- 0:33Speaker 2: And if you've ever felt unsure how to respond, wondered
- 0:37Speaker 2: whether to push them forward or pull them close, or
- 0:41Speaker 2: questioned if you're helping or accidentally making it worse, You're
- 0:45Speaker 2: not alone. In today's episode, we're uncovering what's really happening
- 0:49Speaker 2: beneath the surface of back to school anxiety and equipping
- 0:53Speaker 2: you with both the neuroscience and the scripture based truth
- 0:57Speaker 2: that you need to help your child move forward from
- 1:00Speaker 2: fear to peace and from overwhelm to confidence. Welcome to
- 1:05Speaker 2: your hope filled perspective, where it's always our goal to
- 1:08Speaker 2: restore hope, renew minds, and empower listeners to live in
- 1:12Speaker 2: your God given identity. I'm your host, doctor Michelle Bankson
- 1:16Speaker 2: Board certified clinical neuropsychologist, author, speaker, and companion in your
- 1:21Speaker 2: journey to mental, emotional, and spiritual wellness. I'm delighted you've
- 1:25Speaker 2: chosen to spend a few minutes of your week with us.
- 1:28Speaker 2: Today we're going to be talking about an important topic.
- 1:30Speaker 2: We're going to be discussing how can I help my
- 1:34Speaker 2: child overcome back to school anxiety without making it worse.
- 1:39Speaker 2: We'll dive into that right after this brief word from
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- 1:46Speaker 1: Welcome back to your Hope Field perspective, where we offer hope,
- 1:49Speaker 1: encouragement and practical, science backed and biblically based strategies for
- 1:54Speaker 1: life's challenges. If you've been asking yourself, why is my
- 1:58Speaker 1: child so anxious about going back to school? Or how
- 2:01Speaker 1: can I help my child manage school anxiety without making
- 2:05Speaker 1: it worse? You are not alone. Back To school anxiety
- 2:09Speaker 1: in kids is more common than many parents realize, showing
- 2:13Speaker 1: up as tears, resistance, physical complaints, and even sudden behavioral changes.
- 2:20Speaker 1: But what if those reactions aren't defiant? What if there's
- 2:23Speaker 1: signals from a child's brain overwhelmed by stress and uncertainty.
- 2:28Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're diving into the real cause of
- 2:32Speaker 1: school anxiety, what's happening in your child's brain, and practical
- 2:36Speaker 1: faith based strategies you can use to help your child
- 2:40Speaker 1: feel calm, confident, and secure as they head into a
- 2:44Speaker 1: new school year. For today's conversation, I'm your co host
- 2:48Speaker 1: Jessica Funrokel, and I get to ask my dear friend,
- 2:51Speaker 1: entrusted neuropsychologists, doctor Michelle bankson some of your pressing questions
- 2:56Speaker 1: as well as some of those topics I wish I
- 2:59Speaker 1: could have asked my children were school aged.
- 3:02Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled that we're addressing this issue because so
- 3:06Speaker 2: many parents struggle and don't have anyone to ask for sound,
- 3:10Speaker 2: practical and clinically relevant advice, which reminds me. We love
- 3:15Speaker 2: nothing more than hearing from our listeners and viewers about
- 3:18Speaker 2: how an episode answered questions they've had or encouraged them
- 3:22Speaker 2: in some way. And if there are topics that you'd
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- 3:40Speaker 2: like us to cover.
- 3:41Speaker 1: Michelle, this is such a timely conversation. Families everywhere are
- 3:46Speaker 1: gearing up for a new school year, and while it
- 3:49Speaker 1: can be exciting, it can also bring a lot of
- 3:51Speaker 1: stress and anxiety for both kids and parents.
- 3:56Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jessica, back to school season often up a mix
- 4:01Speaker 2: of emotions anticipation, excitement, but also fear, uncertainty, and overwhelm
- 4:08Speaker 2: for both kids and parents. And what many parents don't
- 4:12Speaker 2: realize is that these emotional responses have both spiritual and
- 4:17Speaker 2: neurological components.
- 4:19Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so glad we're talking about this today,
- 4:22Speaker 1: because parents just aren't looking for behavior tips. They want
- 4:26Speaker 1: to understand what's really going on inside their child and
- 4:30Speaker 1: how to respond in a way that brings peace instead
- 4:33Speaker 1: of more pressure exactly.
- 4:36Speaker 2: And the good news is God has equipped us with
- 4:40Speaker 2: both truth and tools. When we understand how the brain
- 4:44Speaker 2: works and align that with scripture, we can help our
- 4:48Speaker 2: children and ourselves move from anxiety to peace and confidence.
- 4:55Speaker 1: I love that. So let's start with the big question,
- 4:58Speaker 1: why does back to school season triggers so much anxiety
- 5:02Speaker 1: in kids?
- 5:03Speaker 2: That's a really important question for us to address first,
- 5:07Speaker 2: because at its core, anxiety is the brain's response to
- 5:11Speaker 2: perceived threat or uncertainty. Let's face it, back to school
- 5:16Speaker 2: introduces a lot of unknowns, new teachers, new routines, social dynamics,
- 5:23Speaker 2: academic expectations. But when the brain perceives uncertainty, it activates
- 5:29Speaker 2: the stress response system, specifically the amygdala. We've talked about
- 5:33Speaker 2: the amgdala many times on this podcast together, but it
- 5:36Speaker 2: essentially asks am I safe? And if the brain isn't sure,
- 5:42Speaker 2: it defaults to caution, and that's when anxiety shows up.
- 5:47Speaker 1: So even if there's no real danger, the brain can
- 5:51Speaker 1: still respond as if there is.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, the brain is wired for protection, not perfection.
- 5:58Speaker 2: It would rather over react than miss a potential threat.
- 6:03Speaker 2: For children, especially whose brains are still developing, this response
- 6:09Speaker 2: can feel overwhelming.
- 6:11Speaker 1: This makes so much sense. I think sometimes parents assume
- 6:15Speaker 1: their child is just being dramatic or resistant.
- 6:19Speaker 2: Yes, and that's where we need a mindset shift. What
- 6:23Speaker 2: looks like defiance or avoidance is often distress. Instead of
- 6:29Speaker 2: asking what's wrong with my child, we should ask what
- 6:33Speaker 2: is my child's brain trying to process or protect against?
- 6:38Speaker 1: And that's such a compassionate reframe, and what I.
- 6:41Speaker 2: Love about that is that it aligns with scripture pal
- 6:44Speaker 2: I'm fifty six y' three says when I am afraid,
- 6:48Speaker 2: I will put my trust in you. But noticed it
- 6:52Speaker 2: doesn't say if it says when fear is a normal
- 6:57Speaker 2: human experience. The key is what we do with it now.
- 7:01Speaker 2: A common response to worry, fear, and anxiety is to
- 7:05Speaker 2: try to avoid the thing that makes us anxious. True,
- 7:08Speaker 2: and that often works in the short term, but in
- 7:11Speaker 2: the long term, what it does is reinforces the stimulus
- 7:15Speaker 2: that made us anxious in the first place, so we
- 7:18Speaker 2: actually become more and more anxious in similar situations. For example,
- 7:24Speaker 2: I've had patients come into my office in the private
- 7:27Speaker 2: practice who were afraid of driving on the freeway, so
- 7:31Speaker 2: they avoided it, and that avoidance temporarily decrease their anxiety,
- 7:37Speaker 2: but it ended up reinforcing their fear and it became
- 7:41Speaker 2: more crippling in their life. So they then became more
- 7:44Speaker 2: afraid of driving on busy roads, then more afraid of
- 7:49Speaker 2: driving on less busy roads, then became afraid of leaving
- 7:53Speaker 2: their home. The key is that we need to learn
- 7:56Speaker 2: how to respond better to anxiety and not try to
- 8:01Speaker 2: avoid the things that make us anxious.
- 8:04Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. That is, I'm sitting here thinking, wow,
- 8:10Speaker 1: it's true, all right. So what are some ways anxiety
- 8:14Speaker 1: shows up in children that parents might not immediately recognize?
- 8:19Speaker 2: No, great question, because anxiety doesn't always look like worry.
- 8:23Speaker 2: In children, it often shows up as irritability or emotional outbursts.
- 8:29Speaker 2: It can show up like physical complaints, like stomach aches
- 8:33Speaker 2: or headaches. And I can attest to that one because
- 8:36Speaker 2: I remember being an anxious child, and there were many
- 8:40Speaker 2: mornings before I would go to the bus stop where
- 8:43Speaker 2: I would complain to my mother of having a stomach ache.
- 8:46Speaker 2: I look back now and realize that was anxiety wearing
- 8:49Speaker 2: its ugly head, but neither she nor I had the
- 8:52Speaker 2: appropriate label for it. And in children, anxiety, much like adults,
- 8:57Speaker 2: can show up as avoidance, refusing to go to school
- 9:02Speaker 2: or refusing to participate in activities. But from a physiological standpoint,
- 9:08Speaker 2: anxiety can also show up like trouble sleeping or difficulty concentrating.
- 9:14Speaker 2: When we're anxious, we're busy focusing on that thing that's
- 9:17Speaker 2: making us worried, fearful, or anxious. And sometimes anxiety even
- 9:22Speaker 2: looks like perfectionism or overachievement. And in my later years
- 9:27Speaker 2: I didn't have the stomach aches nearly so often. But
- 9:30Speaker 2: I was definitely a perfectionist and definitely an overachiever. And
- 9:34Speaker 2: I look back now and realize, Man, I wish someone
- 9:37Speaker 2: had given me or my parents the tools to manage
- 9:41Speaker 2: that anxiety instead of reinforcing it.
- 9:44Speaker 1: Wow, that's really interesting. So what you're saying is that
- 9:47Speaker 1: even a child who seems like they're doing everything right
- 9:51Speaker 1: could actually be anxious.
- 9:53Speaker 2: Absolutely, that child might be driven by a fear of failure,
- 9:58Speaker 2: a fear of rejection, or even if of abandonment, all
- 10:01Speaker 2: of which we've discovered we've discussed before on this podcast.
- 10:05Speaker 1: And I think that's important for parents to hear because
- 10:08Speaker 1: we often celebrate the outward behavior without understanding the internal struggle.
- 10:14Speaker 2: Oh yes, and when anxiety goes unrecognized, it actually intensifies.
- 10:20Speaker 2: That's exactly why awareness is the first step towards helping
- 10:24Speaker 2: our children and why I thought it was important to
- 10:27Speaker 2: discuss this as parents are looking at the back to
- 10:31Speaker 2: school season.
- 10:33Speaker 1: So good and Michelle, I think one of the biggest
- 10:35Speaker 1: questions parents are asking right now is this is this
- 10:39Speaker 1: normal back to school stress or is it actually anxiety?
- 10:43Speaker 1: So how can parents tell the difference between normal nerves
- 10:49Speaker 1: and something that needs more attention.
- 10:51Speaker 2: That's such an important place to start. Some level of
- 10:54Speaker 2: nervousness is completely normal. Our brains are wired to respond
- 11:00Speaker 2: to new or uncertain situations, but anxiety actually goes beyond that.
- 11:06Speaker 2: From a neuroscience perspective, anxiety is when the brain's alarm system,
- 11:10Speaker 2: the amygdala, is activated, either more frequently or more intensely,
- 11:16Speaker 2: even when there's no true danger. As a parent myself,
- 11:21Speaker 2: I encourage you to look at three things, intensity, duration,
- 11:27Speaker 2: and impact. If your child's distress is ongoing, or it's
- 11:32Speaker 2: escalating and getting worse, or you're starting to notice that
- 11:36Speaker 2: it's interfering with daily life, like interfering with their sleep
- 11:40Speaker 2: or their appetite or their school attendance or performance, it's
- 11:45Speaker 2: likely more than typical normal nervousness or stress. Ask yourself,
- 11:51Speaker 2: is there a change in behavior, mood, or attitude from
- 11:55Speaker 2: say the middle of summer to now. Is the anxiety persist,
- 12:00Speaker 2: is it escalating? And is it interfering with daily functioning.
- 12:04Speaker 2: If the answer is yes to any of those things
- 12:09Speaker 2: or multiples, it's time to step up in more intentionality.
- 12:14Speaker 2: From a faith perspective, I love how scripture normalizes fear
- 12:20Speaker 2: but redirects it. So I'm thirty four to four says
- 12:23Speaker 2: I sought the Lord and he answered me, he delivered
- 12:26Speaker 2: me from all my fears. What it doesn't say is
- 12:31Speaker 2: he delivered me from all my circumstances. Right, So those
- 12:36Speaker 2: things that tempt us to get worried, anxious or fearful
- 12:40Speaker 2: are still going to happen. But the Lord says he
- 12:43Speaker 2: delivered me from all my fears. So fear may come,
- 12:46Speaker 2: but it doesn't have to lead. It doesn't have to
- 12:49Speaker 2: be a driving force in our life.
- 12:52Speaker 1: I've often said to my kids, fear is an indicator,
- 12:55Speaker 1: it's not a dictator. Excellent, and I think that's what
- 12:59Speaker 1: we're talking about right here. So in light of that,
- 13:02Speaker 1: this leads into another question. I sometimes hear a lot,
- 13:05Speaker 1: Why is my child suddenly anxious about school when they
- 13:09Speaker 1: were fine before?
- 13:10Speaker 2: Yes, and that can feel confusing for parents. But children's
- 13:15Speaker 2: brains are constantly developing, and their capacity to think and
- 13:20Speaker 2: to imagine and to anticipate is growing. So if a
- 13:24Speaker 2: child was fine last year, they may now be more
- 13:29Speaker 2: aware of things like social pressures, academic expectations, or even
- 13:35Speaker 2: what if scenarios and Sadly, we as parents are not
- 13:40Speaker 2: always aware of the experiences that our children encounter. So
- 13:44Speaker 2: they may have successfully made it through the last school year,
- 13:48Speaker 2: but we don't know what kinds of things happened last
- 13:51Speaker 2: year that would prompt them to be anxious about this year.
- 13:55Speaker 2: Think about bullying. A child may have been bullied last
- 13:59Speaker 2: year but not shown outward signs and not to a
- 14:03Speaker 2: parent or teacher about it. Well, if that happened last year,
- 14:06Speaker 2: there's a tendency then that they're going to be afraid
- 14:10Speaker 2: that that's going to happen again. Now, neurologically, our kids'
- 14:14Speaker 2: brains are better at predicting outcomes, but not always accurate ones.
- 14:20Speaker 2: So they can imagine, just like we as parents do.
- 14:23Speaker 2: They can imagine worst case scenarios and respond if those
- 14:28Speaker 2: imaginations are real threats. Wow, now that was neurologically. Let's
- 14:33Speaker 2: look at it spiritually. This is where we help them
- 14:37Speaker 2: take those what if thoughts captive And just I so
- 14:41Speaker 2: wish that someone had taught me this when I was
- 14:44Speaker 2: a child, because it's so powerful. You and I both
- 14:49Speaker 2: know Sewod Corinthians ten to five reminds us to take
- 14:53Speaker 2: every thought captive and make it obedient to Christ. We
- 14:57Speaker 2: can gently teach our children to question in those fearful
- 15:01Speaker 2: thoughts and then replace them with truth.
- 15:06Speaker 1: So good, so good. So what are some signs of
- 15:09Speaker 1: anxiety in children that parents might miss.
- 15:12Speaker 2: Anxiety and children is often expressed through the body or
- 15:16Speaker 2: behavior more than it is through words. You're going to
- 15:20Speaker 2: notice it in physical complaints they have, or outward expressions
- 15:26Speaker 2: more than you'll ever hear I'm worried or I'm afraid
- 15:31Speaker 2: or I'm anxious. What might happen is you might see
- 15:35Speaker 2: things like stomach aches, headaches, irritability, especially in the morning
- 15:40Speaker 2: before they have to go to school or before say,
- 15:43Speaker 2: an extracurricular activity. You might notice an increased frequency in tears,
- 15:49Speaker 2: or avoidance, or even perfectionism. I was a straight A student,
- 15:56Speaker 2: but in A was not enough. I was worried if
- 15:59Speaker 2: I didn't get an A plus. Looking back on it,
- 16:02Speaker 2: that should have been a signal to my parents that
- 16:05Speaker 2: I was dealing with some anxiety. Now, what's happening in
- 16:08Speaker 2: the brain is that stress hormones are being released and
- 16:12Speaker 2: the body is preparing for danger, even if the quote
- 16:15Speaker 2: unquote danger is just walking into a classroom or sitting
- 16:20Speaker 2: next to someone who says things to us that make
- 16:23Speaker 2: us afraid, or who ignores us and makes us fear rejection.
- 16:28Speaker 2: But instead of assuming misbehavior as parents, let's ask the question,
- 16:34Speaker 2: is my child experiencing distress somewhere? And this is where
- 16:39Speaker 2: compassion matters deeply. Colossians three twelve encourages us to clothe
- 16:45Speaker 2: yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience, and that
- 16:53Speaker 2: is exactly what our anxious child needs from us. But
- 16:57Speaker 2: often I've seen it where a child expresses anxiety to
- 17:02Speaker 2: parent does whatever they know to do, and it doesn't
- 17:06Speaker 2: seem to make a difference, and internally that makes the
- 17:10Speaker 2: parent insecure, So then they react with more force or
- 17:16Speaker 2: aggression or a decrease in combation, and that's the wrong
- 17:20Speaker 2: thing to do. So now that we better recognize anxiety
- 17:24Speaker 2: in our children, let's turn our discussion to what parents
- 17:28Speaker 2: should do and what they should not do to help
- 17:31Speaker 2: their anxious child. Will delve into that right after this
- 17:35Speaker 2: brief word from our sponsor.
- 17:38Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. Let's get really practical. What are
- 17:42Speaker 1: some common mistakes parents make when trying to help an
- 17:46Speaker 1: anxious child. Maybe things they might be doing that they
- 17:49Speaker 1: don't realize could actually be making the situation worse.
- 17:54Speaker 2: And one of the most common mistakes is trying to
- 17:57Speaker 2: eliminate the anxiety altogether. It's easy to think that this
- 18:00Speaker 2: is helpful, but ultimately it will create a fearful, avoidant
- 18:05Speaker 2: child lacking in good coping skills. Kind Of like my
- 18:09Speaker 2: example before the break, when we were talking about the
- 18:11Speaker 2: patients that I've had who were afraid to drive on
- 18:14Speaker 2: the highway. So they try to eliminate the stressor that
- 18:17Speaker 2: prompts the anxiety. Well, what happens then is the anxiety
- 18:20Speaker 2: just starts to spread to more and more and more situations.
- 18:24Speaker 2: The other thing is that parents might also try reassuring
- 18:29Speaker 2: their child excessively or removing every stressor thinking that's helping
- 18:34Speaker 2: their child. Now, while I know that comes from a
- 18:37Speaker 2: place of love, it actually teaches the brain that the
- 18:41Speaker 2: situation is dangerous and needs to be avoided.
- 18:46Speaker 1: So instead of helping, it reinforces the fear.
- 18:49Speaker 2: Exactly. The goal is not to remove anxiety. The goal
- 18:55Speaker 2: is to teach our children how to move through it
- 18:59Speaker 2: with confidence and truth.
- 19:01Speaker 1: And that's a powerful distinction.
- 19:03Speaker 2: Very much so. Yeah, another mistake is dismissing or minimizing
- 19:11Speaker 2: our children's feelings, saying things like you're fine or there's
- 19:15Speaker 2: nothing to worry.
- 19:16Speaker 1: About, which I think many parents say that because they
- 19:18Speaker 1: want to comfort their child. Yeah.
- 19:20Speaker 2: I think it comes from a place of wanting to
- 19:22Speaker 2: comfort their child or feeling a lack of confidence in
- 19:27Speaker 2: their own ability to help their child process the anxiety.
- 19:31Speaker 1: Right.
- 19:32Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, comforting is good, but what children need first
- 19:37Speaker 2: is validation, not correction. Our feelings are powerful, and making
- 19:42Speaker 2: statements like you're fine teaches children that there's something wrong
- 19:47Speaker 2: with them and that they can't trust either their emotions
- 19:51Speaker 2: or trust their parent to be a safe place to
- 19:55Speaker 2: share their feelings.
- 19:56Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 19:57Speaker 2: And what I've spent a lot of time in my
- 19:59Speaker 2: LI career talking to parents about is that we want
- 20:03Speaker 2: the parents and the home to be a safe place
- 20:07Speaker 2: for their children to land. A better thing is that
- 20:10Speaker 2: when we say I see that you're nervous and that
- 20:14Speaker 2: makes sense, we actually help our children calm the brain's
- 20:19Speaker 2: alarm system and it opens the door to further conversation,
- 20:24Speaker 2: like about what's prompting the anxiety, what happened at school,
- 20:27Speaker 2: and is there something truly threatening that we as parents
- 20:32Speaker 2: need to consider talking to a parent or an administrator
- 20:37Speaker 2: about But when we make those statements like I see
- 20:40Speaker 2: that you're nervous and that makes sense, that actually helps
- 20:43Speaker 2: instilled trust between child and parent.
- 20:47Speaker 1: So validation actually helps regulate the brain.
- 20:52Speaker 2: Yes, it does. It engages the prefrontal cortex, which is
- 20:57Speaker 2: the part of the brain responsible for reasoning and emotional regulation.
- 21:03Speaker 1: All right, so we've given a good amount of what
- 21:07Speaker 1: not to do. So what are the dews. We've gone
- 21:11Speaker 1: through the don'ts now. Let's talk about the dews.
- 21:14Speaker 2: Here's a few key strategies. Number One, validate their feelings.
- 21:19Speaker 2: Like we were just saying, I see that you're anxious
- 21:22Speaker 2: and that makes sense. It validates that you recognize that
- 21:27Speaker 2: they are having this feeling. And our feelings may be real,
- 21:32Speaker 2: but they're not always communicating true, so we want to
- 21:35Speaker 2: validate that they're experiencing the feeling. Another thing to do
- 21:41Speaker 2: is to help our child name the anxiety, put words
- 21:45Speaker 2: to it. What are you feeling inside? Is it making
- 21:49Speaker 2: you feel scared? Is there something that's making you feel anxious?
- 21:55Speaker 2: Is there something that's making you feel not good about yourself?
- 21:58Speaker 2: By helping our kids name the anxiety and put words
- 22:03Speaker 2: to it, it increases their capacity to communicate to us
- 22:07Speaker 2: about other things and other feelings. One of the things
- 22:11Speaker 2: that I used, especially with younger kiddos who are struggling,
- 22:14Speaker 2: is to give them a feeling chart. It's usually like
- 22:19Speaker 2: emoji looking faces, and there would be a face for scared,
- 22:23Speaker 2: and a face for mad, and a face for happy,
- 22:25Speaker 2: and a face for confused, and probably thirty different emotions.
- 22:30Speaker 2: Them looking at those different emojis and picking out the
- 22:34Speaker 2: one that most looks like they're feeling inside then helps
- 22:38Speaker 2: us as parents to put a label to it so
- 22:40Speaker 2: that they have the words to communicate how they're feeling now.
- 22:44Speaker 2: A third to do is to teach our children coping
- 22:49Speaker 2: skills like deep breathing or grounding exercises, which we'll talk
- 22:54Speaker 2: about a little bit more later in this episode, but
- 22:56Speaker 2: we've also discussed them on previous episodes for managing stress.
- 23:02Speaker 2: So teaching our kids coping skills allows them to take
- 23:06Speaker 2: those skills into the anxiety provoking situation and be able
- 23:11Speaker 2: to manage it in real time so it doesn't build up.
- 23:14Speaker 2: Think about the times when I realize I'm anxious, or
- 23:17Speaker 2: the times when I realize I'm holding my breath in
- 23:21Speaker 2: that moment by doing deep breathing exercises, I tell my brain,
- 23:27Speaker 2: now you're safe, You're okay, right now, there is nothing
- 23:30Speaker 2: threatening or dangerous. So teaching those coping skills is a
- 23:34Speaker 2: really important one, and I've spent a lot of my
- 23:36Speaker 2: career working in the situation with parents and kids doing that.
- 23:40Speaker 2: Another to do is to encourage gradual exposure to what
- 23:45Speaker 2: they fear. I mentioned the opposite of that with avoidance
- 23:50Speaker 2: and the driving scenario. But say a child it is
- 23:54Speaker 2: anxious about an extracurricular activity. Well, gradual exposure would be
- 24:00Speaker 2: things like driving to the parking lot of the place
- 24:04Speaker 2: where they're anxious, and then next time driving to the
- 24:08Speaker 2: parking lot and actually getting out of the car. And
- 24:10Speaker 2: then the next experience would be driving to the parking lot,
- 24:13Speaker 2: getting out of the car and going to the door,
- 24:16Speaker 2: And the next would be driving to the parking lot,
- 24:18Speaker 2: getting out of the car, walking to the door, walking
- 24:21Speaker 2: into the building. That gradual exposure teaches them you're safe
- 24:27Speaker 2: and you can handle this. Wow. And probably one of
- 24:31Speaker 2: the most important to dos is to model calm and
- 24:37Speaker 2: confidence for our kids.
- 24:40Speaker 1: That last one feels really big. Modeling calm.
- 24:44Speaker 2: It's really big because children actually borrow our nervous system
- 24:51Speaker 2: if we are anxious, they feel it. But when we
- 24:54Speaker 2: are calm, we communicate safety and just I don't know
- 24:58Speaker 2: if it's like this for you, but my husband is
- 25:02Speaker 2: like a rock and he's really positive and he doesn't
- 25:05Speaker 2: get ruffled easily. But in those situations where I've seen
- 25:09Speaker 2: him become worried or when I've seen him become tearful,
- 25:15Speaker 2: that communicates indirectly to me that I have a reason
- 25:19Speaker 2: to be worried or tearful. We as parents have the
- 25:24Speaker 2: exact same influence on our children. And there were times
- 25:28Speaker 2: when I worked with young nursing moms and they would
- 25:32Speaker 2: be so anxious and their children would end up being
- 25:35Speaker 2: fussier because they're communicating that anxiety to their babies.
- 25:40Speaker 1: Yes, you know what you're saying about children borrowing our
- 25:45Speaker 1: nervous system, frankly is encouraging, but it's also convicting well.
- 25:50Speaker 2: And the good thing is that it brings us to
- 25:52Speaker 2: Scripture again. One of my favorite verses when it comes
- 25:56Speaker 2: to anxiety is two Timothy one to seven. That verse
- 25:59Speaker 2: reminds us for God has not given us a spirit
- 26:02Speaker 2: of fear, but of power and of love and of
- 26:05Speaker 2: sound mind. So we as parents are in a unique
- 26:09Speaker 2: situation and that we can model that sound mind for
- 26:13Speaker 2: our kiddos.
- 26:15Speaker 1: I love that. I love it. Now. I have a
- 26:18Speaker 1: really tough question though, and I think every parent has
- 26:21Speaker 1: wondered this one. Should I make my child go to
- 26:24Speaker 1: school if they're anxious?
- 26:26Speaker 2: Oh? Really good question, because I've had a lot of
- 26:28Speaker 2: parents ask that, and frequently the gut reaction is is
- 26:34Speaker 2: if that environment is making my child so anxious, there
- 26:37Speaker 2: must be something dangerous there, so they keep them away.
- 26:43Speaker 2: So it's a really tender balance. Avoidance actually strengthens anxiety
- 26:49Speaker 2: over time because the brain learns if I escape, I'm safe,
- 26:53Speaker 2: and safety feels good. But gentle supported exposure actually helps
- 26:59Speaker 2: retrain our child's brain to recognize I can do this
- 27:03Speaker 2: and I'll be okay. So yes, in most cases, we
- 27:07Speaker 2: do want to help our child go to school or
- 27:10Speaker 2: to that extracurricular event, but we support preparation, encouragement, and compassion.
- 27:16Speaker 2: We don't push harshly, but we don't rescue completely. We
- 27:21Speaker 2: actually walk alongside them. And it's in those circumstances where
- 27:25Speaker 2: I often remind parents of Joshua one nine. Be strong
- 27:29Speaker 2: and courageous, for the Lord, your God will be with you.
- 27:33Speaker 2: Wherever you go. We're not sending our children into school alone.
- 27:38Speaker 2: We're sending them with God's presence. And that's such a
- 27:41Speaker 2: powerful reminder. And when we teach our children this at
- 27:45Speaker 2: a young age, it's a tool that they can use
- 27:49Speaker 2: for the rest of their life because they're relying on
- 27:52Speaker 2: God's promises.
- 27:53Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, well, that's topic for another day,
- 27:57Speaker 1: Thank Zach. I'm just going to say yes, yes, and
- 28:00Speaker 1: more yeses. So let's turn our attention to some specific
- 28:06Speaker 1: practical tools the parents can use during this back to
- 28:10Speaker 1: school season.
- 28:11Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, because preparation is key and the brain thrives
- 28:16Speaker 2: on predictability.
- 28:18Speaker 1: So routines matter very much.
- 28:20Speaker 2: So okay, things like start adjusting sleep schedules, morning routines,
- 28:28Speaker 2: and expectations before school begins. I'll give you a silly example,
- 28:34Speaker 2: but I think it's pertinent to the discussion. So my
- 28:37Speaker 2: son is a pilot and he's been training on a
- 28:41Speaker 2: new aircraft. So for this training, before they put the
- 28:45Speaker 2: pilots in a real airplane, they do simulation exercises. Well,
- 28:50Speaker 2: because there's so many pilots who are training, they don't
- 28:53Speaker 2: all get the eight am simulation experience. His sim experience,
- 29:00Speaker 2: this week is somewhere between eight pm and one am
- 29:04Speaker 2: in the morning, and so I heard him say, I'm
- 29:07Speaker 2: working on my sleep hygiene this week, particularly in anticipation
- 29:12Speaker 2: for having to work during the hours I would normally
- 29:15Speaker 2: be sleeping. So he is adjusting his sleep schedule to
- 29:19Speaker 2: optimize his performance when he needs to be on, so
- 29:23Speaker 2: to speak. So we as parents should be doing the
- 29:25Speaker 2: same thing for our young kiddos. You know, sometimes we
- 29:28Speaker 2: get kind of laxed during the summer months and we
- 29:30Speaker 2: let our kids sleep, stay up, and sleep in, take naps,
- 29:34Speaker 2: but then school starts and their system is all out
- 29:38Speaker 2: of whack. So things like adjusting sleep schedules and morning
- 29:41Speaker 2: routines before the school year starts is really helpful.
- 29:46Speaker 1: What about for kids who are especially anxious, because you
- 29:49Speaker 1: know there are plenty of those out there. I had a.
- 29:52Speaker 2: Couple in those situations where it's obvious what they're dealing
- 29:56Speaker 2: with and it's anxiety. I recommend creating a preview experience,
- 30:02Speaker 2: things like let's visit the school ahead of time. And
- 30:06Speaker 2: a lot of times anxiety increases when our children change facilities.
- 30:11Speaker 2: So they might change from the preschool environment to the
- 30:13Speaker 2: elementary school, or change from the elementary school to the
- 30:16Speaker 2: middle school, or from the middle school to the high school,
- 30:19Speaker 2: and just visiting the school and starting that exposure early
- 30:24Speaker 2: can help along those lines. I strongly recommend letting your
- 30:28Speaker 2: kids meet their teacher or teachers if possible, and a
- 30:32Speaker 2: lot of schools are really good about this. They'll have
- 30:34Speaker 2: them meet the teacher afternoon or evening. And part of
- 30:38Speaker 2: the reason they do that is so that parents can
- 30:40Speaker 2: meet the teacher and so that the children don't walk
- 30:43Speaker 2: in on day one to a complete stranger. And for
- 30:46Speaker 2: our kiddos who have a change, say they change teachers
- 30:51Speaker 2: every period, help them walk through the schedules so they
- 30:55Speaker 2: know where they're going in between classes. But we can
- 30:58Speaker 2: even help our little ones walk through the schedule of
- 31:02Speaker 2: So what do we do first thing in the morning
- 31:04Speaker 2: when Mommy comes in and wakes you up, or when
- 31:07Speaker 2: the alarm goes off. First thing we do is we
- 31:09Speaker 2: put on our clothes, and then we go get breakfast,
- 31:12Speaker 2: and then we brush our teeth, then we put on
- 31:14Speaker 2: our shoes, then we get our backpack, and we can
- 31:16Speaker 2: reverse the schedule at the end of the day. The
- 31:19Speaker 2: backpack comes in for mom to look through it. The
- 31:22Speaker 2: shoes go in the shoe closet, the jacket gets hung up,
- 31:26Speaker 2: so then in the morning they're not frantically searching for
- 31:30Speaker 2: the things that they need, which just fuels anxiety.
- 31:33Speaker 1: Oh so good.
- 31:35Speaker 2: The more familiar something feels, the less threatening it becomes
- 31:39Speaker 2: to the brain.
- 31:40Speaker 1: And what you've given are so practical. Do you have
- 31:43Speaker 1: something else to share?
- 31:44Speaker 2: Another tool is teaching children simple calming techniques. We were
- 31:50Speaker 2: talking a few minutes ago about teaching our children practical
- 31:54Speaker 2: tools that they can use in the moment, and one
- 31:56Speaker 2: of the tools that I recommended was deep breathing. Is
- 32:00Speaker 2: we teach our children to inhale for four counts, hold
- 32:04Speaker 2: for two, and then exhale. And what I strongly recommend
- 32:08Speaker 2: is that you inhale through the through the nose, hold it,
- 32:13Speaker 2: and then exhale through the mouth. This is something that
- 32:17Speaker 2: they can do on the bus, when they're standing in
- 32:19Speaker 2: line before a test, anything that promotes that anxiety, and
- 32:24Speaker 2: have them do that four or five times, and what
- 32:28Speaker 2: they'll see is that your brain can't be anxious and
- 32:32Speaker 2: relaxed at the same time. And when you do those
- 32:34Speaker 2: deep breathing exercises, it takes away the anxiety and lets
- 32:38Speaker 2: your brain relax good. Another really simple exercise that I
- 32:42Speaker 2: teach patients is grounding. That is naming five things they see,
- 32:48Speaker 2: four things they feel, three things they hear, two things
- 32:52Speaker 2: they smell, and one thing they taste. And why this
- 32:56Speaker 2: is so powerful is because it actually arrests their thought
- 33:01Speaker 2: processes where they may be thinking about something in the future,
- 33:05Speaker 2: like getting on the bus and having to sit next
- 33:07Speaker 2: to that person who's been mean, or thinking about the
- 33:10Speaker 2: test that's coming up. It stops that process and it
- 33:14Speaker 2: refocuses them on the immediate present. It's so helpful because
- 33:19Speaker 2: these tools regulate the nervous system in real time.
- 33:24Speaker 1: And I love that these are simple enough for kids
- 33:26Speaker 1: to remember.
- 33:27Speaker 2: Yes, and once they learn it, they can teach it
- 33:31Speaker 2: to their friends.
- 33:32Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 33:33Speaker 2: Parents can practice these with their children, which reinforces that
- 33:38Speaker 2: parent child connection. And that's what I love. When parents
- 33:42Speaker 2: start feeling anxious, they can even ask the child to
- 33:45Speaker 2: do one of those exercises with them.
- 33:49Speaker 1: But let's turn our attention to the spiritual side. I
- 33:52Speaker 1: know you emphasize incorporating biblical truths with science back to tools,
- 33:57Speaker 1: So how can parents incorporate fail into this?
- 34:01Speaker 2: This is where we have such a beautiful advantage as believers,
- 34:07Speaker 2: we can teach our children to bring our fears to God.
- 34:10Speaker 2: The Libyans four six through seven says, do not be
- 34:13Speaker 2: anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition,
- 34:19Speaker 2: with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. So we can
- 34:23Speaker 2: help our children turn their anxious thoughts into prayers. Communicate honestly.
- 34:30Speaker 2: And one of the beautiful things about that is that
- 34:32Speaker 2: it teaches them you don't have to be embarrassed about
- 34:35Speaker 2: your feelings.
- 34:36Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was also thinking it helps us as
- 34:39Speaker 1: parents also learn to do this and it becomes this
- 34:42Speaker 1: family practice, And it's such a powerful habit to build
- 34:46Speaker 1: early on, isn't it?
- 34:48Speaker 2: Oh? It is? And I wish that I had learned
- 34:50Speaker 2: that much earlier than I did. And parent prayer with truth,
- 34:55Speaker 2: like memorizing scripture, helps rewire ours patterns over time. I
- 35:01Speaker 2: wish that I had learned that as an anxious child
- 35:05Speaker 2: instead of having to wait until I was in my
- 35:07Speaker 2: adult years.
- 35:09Speaker 1: Right, And you know, I'm sitting here listening and I
- 35:11Speaker 1: can almost hear parents, some of them are asking, what
- 35:15Speaker 1: if I'm make you my child's anxiety worse without realizing it.
- 35:18Speaker 2: Well, first of all, grace upon grace upon grace, that
- 35:24Speaker 2: is such an honest and humble question. And the truth is,
- 35:28Speaker 2: sometimes unintentionally, we as parents do reinforce anxiety, but when
- 35:34Speaker 2: we know better, we do better. So, for example, over
- 35:38Speaker 2: reassuring or trying to remove every stressor or helping our
- 35:44Speaker 2: children to avoid those things that induce anxiety can teach
- 35:49Speaker 2: the brain that the situation truly is dangerous. See. The
- 35:52Speaker 2: problem is is that the brain doesn't have a way
- 35:56Speaker 2: of distinguishing perceived versus real danger. So it's key for
- 36:02Speaker 2: parents to monitor your own emotions because, as we said,
- 36:06Speaker 2: our kids pay attention not only to what we say,
- 36:09Speaker 2: but how we act, and if we're anxious, they will
- 36:12Speaker 2: pick up on things like our irritability and that communicates
- 36:17Speaker 2: to them they have a reason to be anxious. But
- 36:20Speaker 2: there's really good news, and that is that you don't
- 36:23Speaker 2: have to be perfect to be effective. The key is
- 36:27Speaker 2: to validate that your child is experiencing a feeling while
- 36:31Speaker 2: still encouraging growth. So you might say things like I
- 36:34Speaker 2: see that that feels scary, but I believe that you
- 36:38Speaker 2: can handle it. God promises he goes with us in
- 36:42Speaker 2: every situation, so you're not handling it alone, you're handling
- 36:46Speaker 2: it with God on your side, and that balance engages
- 36:50Speaker 2: both emotional safety and cognitive strength. And like we were
- 36:54Speaker 2: talking about with Philippians four, six or seven, it reminds
- 36:57Speaker 2: us that when we bring our anxieties to God, it's
- 37:00Speaker 2: his peace that guards our hearts and minds. And that's
- 37:03Speaker 2: true for us parents too, the friends. We want to
- 37:07Speaker 2: offer more additional practical encouragement for you right after this
- 37:13Speaker 2: brief word from our sponsor.
- 37:17Speaker 1: All right, let's get really practical. How can I calm
- 37:21Speaker 1: my child down in the moment, like during those stressful mornings.
- 37:26Speaker 2: In those moments, we want to focus on calming the
- 37:29Speaker 2: body first, because a disregulated brain cannot process logic. So
- 37:34Speaker 2: simple tools like the deep breathing in hell for four,
- 37:38Speaker 2: hold for two, exhale for six helps reset that nervous
- 37:42Speaker 2: system right there in the moment. Those grounding exercises like
- 37:45Speaker 2: naming what you see here, feel they bring the brain
- 37:49Speaker 2: out of panic mode. And your presence matters more than
- 37:55Speaker 2: your words. So a calm tone, a steady posture, and
- 38:00Speaker 2: even a gentle touch communicates safety, which helps minimize the anxiety.
- 38:07Speaker 2: So I'm forty six ten says be still and know
- 38:10Speaker 2: that I am God. Sometimes we help our children access
- 38:13Speaker 2: that stillness physically before they can access it spiritually.
- 38:19Speaker 1: Which is so helpful. What I have to tell be
- 38:22Speaker 1: honest though here too, parents also wonder what do I
- 38:25Speaker 1: actually say to my child when they're anxious.
- 38:28Speaker 2: That's an important question because our words matter. We want
- 38:33Speaker 2: to avoid dismissing by saying things like you're fine, and
- 38:37Speaker 2: we want to avoid amplifying fear like that's really hard. Instead,
- 38:44Speaker 2: we aim for truth and reassurance. So try phrases like
- 38:50Speaker 2: I can see this feels scary, You're not alone, I'm
- 38:54Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, you know what you've done really hard
- 38:59Speaker 2: to before. Yeah. And one of the ones that I
- 39:03Speaker 2: love is saying we can trust God with this together.
- 39:08Speaker 2: So what we're doing is helping reframe their thoughts while
- 39:12Speaker 2: keeping connection. And Isaiah forty one to ten is a
- 39:16Speaker 2: beautiful truth to speak over them. Do not fear, for
- 39:19Speaker 2: I am with you. I will strengthen you and help you.
- 39:24Speaker 1: I feel encouraged just listening to you. So how do
- 39:28Speaker 1: we help our kids not just survive school, but actually
- 39:32Speaker 1: build confidence?
- 39:34Speaker 2: So here's what's key. Confidence comes from experience, not avoidance.
- 39:41Speaker 2: When we avoid things that make us anxious, what that
- 39:44Speaker 2: does is it denigrates our confidence. So confidence only comes
- 39:48Speaker 2: from experience. So each time a child faces something hard
- 39:52Speaker 2: and gets through it, the brain we rewires to say
- 39:57Speaker 2: I did it, I can handle this. Yes, So we
- 40:00Speaker 2: celebrate effort, not just outcomes, and we remind them of
- 40:05Speaker 2: past successes, and we gradually increase the challenges, and spiritually
- 40:11Speaker 2: we anchor their identity not in their performance, but in
- 40:16Speaker 2: who God says they are. When a child knows that
- 40:19Speaker 2: they are loved, chosen, and never alone, that becomes the
- 40:23Speaker 2: foundation for real confidence.
- 40:27Speaker 1: So encouraging. Now let's talk about a harder situation. What
- 40:31Speaker 1: if my child refuses to go to school altogether.
- 40:36Speaker 2: So let me first acknowledge that's incredibly stressful for parents
- 40:43Speaker 2: and it often signals more than significant anxiety. So in
- 40:48Speaker 2: those cases, we want to respond with both compassion and structure.
- 40:54Speaker 2: So we validate the fear, but we don't allow avoidance
- 40:58Speaker 2: to become the long term solution, and we may need
- 41:01Speaker 2: to involve teachers, counselors, or professionals to create a support plan.
- 41:07Speaker 2: This isn't failure, it's actually an opportunity for additional support.
- 41:12Speaker 2: You am reminded of Galatian six' to, two which says
- 41:15Speaker 2: carry each other's, burdens and sometimes that means inviting others
- 41:20Speaker 2: into the. Process if it's gotten to such a point
- 41:24Speaker 2: that they're so, avoidant we need to enlist the help of.
- 41:27Speaker 1: Others so when should a parent seek professional?
- 41:30Speaker 2: Help if anxiety is, persistent it's, worsening or it's interfering
- 41:37Speaker 2: with daily functioning like school, attendance, relationships or physical, health
- 41:42Speaker 2: it's time to seek professional support because early intervention can
- 41:46Speaker 2: make a tremendous. Difference the sooner we can halt this
- 41:50Speaker 2: response and teach coping, strategies the better off they'll. Be
- 41:55Speaker 2: AND i always remind parents seeking help is not a
- 41:57Speaker 2: sign of, weakness is actually a step of whist them and.
- 42:00Speaker 2: Love if we remember proverbs of love and, fourteen it
- 42:03Speaker 2: says in the multitude of counselors there is. Safety So
- 42:07Speaker 2: god often provides help through.
- 42:10Speaker 1: Others all, Right, well before we wrap, UP i want
- 42:13Speaker 1: to talk directly to the parents, listening because let's be,
- 42:16Speaker 1: honest this season can be stressful for them.
- 42:19Speaker 2: Too oh for, sure parents often carry their own anxieties
- 42:23Speaker 2: about their child's, success their, safety or their social.
- 42:27Speaker 1: Experiences so what would you say to the parent who feels.
- 42:30Speaker 2: Overwhelmed first of, all you're not. Alone and, second your
- 42:36Speaker 2: presence matters more than your. Perfection your child doesn't need
- 42:41Speaker 2: a flawless, parent they need a connected one and that's so.
- 42:46Speaker 2: Freeing and, remember your peace sets the tone for your.
- 42:51Speaker 2: Home isaiah twenty six' three reminds us you will keep
- 42:55Speaker 2: in perfect peace those whose minds are steadfast because because
- 43:00Speaker 2: they trust. In you so when we as parents anchor
- 43:04Speaker 2: Ourselves in, god's truth we create an environment of peace for,
- 43:09Speaker 2: our children.
- 43:10Speaker 1: And that's a.
- 43:11Speaker 2: Beautiful, picture also don't hesitate to seek help. If needed
- 43:16Speaker 2: there is no shame to reaching out to a counselor or. A,
- 43:19Speaker 2: specialist really support can make a.
- 43:21Speaker 1: Significant Difference, doctor michelle this has been. INCREDIBLY helpful i
- 43:26Speaker 1: know parents are walking away with both understanding and, practical
- 43:30Speaker 1: tools and, most. IMPORTANTLY hope i think parents are listening
- 43:35Speaker 1: and they're going to start this back to school process
- 43:39Speaker 1: feeling both equipped and encouraged and.
- 43:41Speaker 2: Not alone and that's always our goal to bring hope
- 43:45Speaker 2: and healing through both science.
- 43:47Speaker 1: And, scripture friends if this episode, encouraged you we'd love
- 43:50Speaker 1: for you to share it with another parent who might.
- 43:53Speaker 1: Need it, and remember you don't have to navigate.
- 43:56Speaker 2: Anxiety alone and as you head into this new, school
- 44:00Speaker 2: season may you and your child walk, in, peace confidence
- 44:04Speaker 2: and the Assurance that god is with you every step of.
- 44:09Speaker 2: The way it's our prayer for you that this back
- 44:12Speaker 2: to school season will be a, less stressful, more peaceful and. Confident,
- 44:16Speaker 2: one friends we've enjoyed sharing another episode of your hope
- 44:21Speaker 2: filed perspective, with you and we look forward to being
- 44:23Speaker 2: with you again. Next week, until then it's my prayer
- 44:27Speaker 2: for you that you have a hope. Fuilled week.
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