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Predators, Programs and Processed Meat · Rik and that Michele Chick

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Welcome to Rick and that Michelle chick.
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I'm that Michelle chick. And I'm Rick.
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Welcome, welcome. So we are both animal lovers,
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and we also volunteered to help animals.
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I foster cats and kittens, and you sit on the board of POP,
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which is the pet overpopulation program.
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Is that right? Did I say that?
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Right, absolutely. In the tri-cities.
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Yep, absolutely. So I first read the headline
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that said zoo in Denmark wants to feed your pets to its
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predators. OK, I instantly thought cats and
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dogs since it said pets instantly.
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That was my first thought, right?
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I mean, any normal person would think that, right?
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OK, well it's definitely a click bait headline.
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And so of course I read the story.
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I clicked it. The zoo is asking for pets that
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are near the end of their life, and they're asking for chickens,
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rabbits, Guinea pigs, even horses.
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They will be humanely euthanized by the zoo and then used at it's
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food. So because I also had in my mind
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that they were just gonna like, like throw the pets alive in the
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cage with the lion. You know when you see when you
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read this headline. You see that, but you do see
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that. I mean, you, you see that when
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they, you know, when you're watching the tiger, Tiger King
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and all this crapola, Yeah. Yeah, which again, I had that in
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my mind that they're throwing like this cat or dog in the cage
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with the lion alive. But I am not a fan of rodents as
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pets. Like I cannot, I can handle
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snakes, but I cannot handle like mice, rats, hamsters, Guinea
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pigs, etcetera. So I really don't mind if
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they're feeding them like Guinea pigs and rabbits and people eat
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rabbits. And I'm a horse lover.
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I had a horse growing up. And so my first thought was, oh,
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no, not horses. But then I thought about, you
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know, when they get old, they usually, they usually get sold
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off to the slaughterhouse to be made into dog food at the dog
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food factory. And I know how they are killed
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there. So I'm thinking like this would
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be a better way for them to go, you know?
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It's kind of interesting. So there are things that that
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and my, my Co host Patty like likes to look at these these
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videos. I do not.
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So there are things that I refuse to watch.
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I refuse to watch any video where an animal's getting hurt.
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I refuse to watch like, like you said, if there was a video of
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them feeding, even the if, even if it's just the carcass of a
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dog or a cat thrown out to a lion, I refuse to.
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I just don't. I just I don't watch those
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things where other people are like so fascinated.
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Like really? I mean, what if that what if
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that was your ass getting chewed on by, you know, by a lion?
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It's it's one of those things. Now I would like to see if it
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was humanly possible. I'd love to see the lion eating
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the poacher. Now what?
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How come? How, how come we never show
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videos of that where the lion attacks the poacher?
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Now that to me is a great video. I want to.
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I want to see that. Yeah.
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So which I mean that has happened a couple of times,
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hasn't it? Hasn't like an elephant?
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I've never seen the video I know.
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Like killed the hunters, which wasn't that lion just killed
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that super popular lion shoot. Was his name Goldie or Blondie?
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I'm drawing a blank now. Yeah, that.
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Was such a popular that story I can't stand yeah the one where
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they they lure the old the old lion.
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We talked about that years ago, I think and.
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Yeah, this is a new lion. They did the same thing where
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they baited him with food to get him off his preserve.
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So he, you know, when they're in their preserve, they can't be
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haunted. And they lured him off and he
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was super popular and they killed.
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Him and and and and that's one of those things even Megan and
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I, my wife go around and roundabout because she's like
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and people people make that argument like well, it's a way
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of life in Africa and that's how they make money.
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Well, you know what let's find other ways to make money.
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I I just have never understood hunting something to extinction.
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I don't understand. I mean, I understand.
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OK, so I grew up with the Grand Round River.
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I understand hunting elk or hunting deer.
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But that's for food. I mean, that's how I grew up
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too. Right.
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But but, but even from a plentiful standpoint, there's
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plenty of, you know, plenty of deer, plenty of elk, and you buy
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A tag every year and you get your limit.
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And I mean, poachers are the worst, too.
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Poachers are the worst. But I have never understood
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killing zebras, rhinos, giraffes, especially a giraffe.
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A giraffe is gigantic. Or an elephant.
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What? What's that?
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Or an elephant, I mean. Yeah, it's like, I mean, I just,
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I, I, I can't do that. I don't understand that.
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I don't think, I don't think you're AI don't think you're a
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man. I don't think you're macho, you
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know, and like you said, when you have to, when you have to
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lure a lion out of its den to kill it.
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And, and then, and also, I've always thought if you're going
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to do something like that, the animal should have a sporting
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chance to get away. So, and, and so it's like, so
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when I do read stories where they get gored to death by a
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bull or anything, I, I laugh. I'm sorry, I have no sympathy.
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It's kind of like the, the, the, the COVID people that refuse to
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wear masks and those people that were like, I'm not, I'm not
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getting, you know, I'm not getting a shot.
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OK, don't get the shot. And then two weeks later you
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sent a Facebook, Sorry, Steve passed away.
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Well, right. Bye dumb ass.
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I mean, so I but you already know how I feel about that, I
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think. I think human beings are
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basically the worst thing that's ever happened to the planet
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Earth. Oh definitely, we are going to
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kill ourselves. Yeah.
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Well, at the end of the day, absolutely.
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And and for what? I guess I don't, I don't
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understand. Like you said, I understand, you
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know, I, I, and, and I'm not a vegetarian.
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I'm not a vegetarian. I eat, I eat chicken, I eat
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meat, I eat, you know, but but parts of me have thought, you
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know, maybe I should be a vegetarian because I've seen,
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because it's funny is these these horrific videos you see
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online now to where it's like that you show a cow getting, you
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know, going to go to the slaughter and it's and it's even
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the inhumane way on how we treat that cow when they show the
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video. Like it's one of those things
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where I struggle with that a lot.
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And so it's one of the and I do understand circle of life, but
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why do we have to be be cruel in why?
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Why do we have to be cruel in that that circle of life?
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Right. So yeah, I'm like you.
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I don't like rodents. I don't like snakes.
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I don't like lizards. So you're fine.
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You're fine. If the zoo feeds those to them,
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they're, well, you. Said that they were like towards
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the end of life. Yeah, that's what they, Yes, the
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zoo is asking for animals that are towards the end of their
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life. Obviously horses, they can't
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have certain diseases and that kind of thing.
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So they kind of have have to be screened, which understandably
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so. And yeah, and they said that the
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zookeeper would humanely euthanize them, which is what we
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would do to our own pets at their end of life.
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But I would not, I wouldn't toss Barkley to a lion.
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No, they're. Not I mean they're.
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Dogs or cats? Right.
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I mean at. Least not yet.
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Right, right. So it's one of those things
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where I, I look at, you know, Bodhi, Barkley, Roxy who passed
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away, They're members of the family.
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So, but but then again, there are some people in my family
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that I would toss to a line. So I guess I really got to
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rethink that. I'll, I'll get back to you on
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it. You're you're still on the fence
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is where is that going? What's that?
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You're still on the fence? Well, yes, but but even then,
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you know not, and not to get off topic, but even the worst person
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to me, even my worst enemy, I don't think I'd ever want
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anything to befall them because then I'd feel guilty later about
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it now if it happened to them. Now it happened to them and I
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didn't 'cause it. That's what I'm just like.
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Then I then I would, then I would giggle my ass off.
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So as long as I didn't 'cause their downfall.
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Right. So of course.
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Then I then I'm good, then I'm good.
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But if Karma got him, if karma got him, oh, I'd be like.
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Yeah, yeah. I have no problem with people
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getting what they deserve so. Absolutely.
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Oh yeah. I mean, I am definitely.
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I am definitely. You already know me.
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Want to know? I'm an eye for an eye kind of
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guy, so always have been. You.
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You mistreat somebody or mistreat something, guess what?
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I hope it comes back tenfold. I got no problem with that.
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Yeah, Shaylee tried to be vegetarian.
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Speaking of, you know, you want you thinking you should be
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vegetarian. She tried to be vegetarian.
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I think she was like 10 and she opened the pantry door and you
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know, the ramen like cup of noodles.
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Well, we all we had was chicken flavor and she wanted one.
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And she just kind of stood there for a second and she goes, can I
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eat this? And I said, well, I don't know
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if this is real chicken or fake chicken.
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I don't know. It's just.
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Chicken flavoring. So I don't.
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Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
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So I'm guessing no, you probably should.
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I, I don't know. I'm I'm sure there's some kind
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of app that will tell us, but and then she goes, well, I don't
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want to be a vegetarian anymore. I want that damn ramen.
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I want that ramen with chicken. It lasted a day.
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She was also 10. So, you know, a for effort.
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She tried and thought about it better than most the most adults
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do. Yeah, well, I've been on this,
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I've been on this diet. So I lost 20 lbs on this diet.
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And so I did try Boca burgers and different things, plant
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based, different things and, and so, so I thought, well, if I had
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to be vegetarian, I think I could get away, you know, I
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could do it, yeah. Some of it's OK, we played the
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butter and the sour cream, the plant based stuff and it's still
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yeah has that plant like after tastiness to it, even some of
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the really good stuff so. Yeah, same with, for me,
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cauliflower. Every time.
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Every time I've ever been on a diet, I've tried cauliflower.
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It tastes like shit no matter what you try to do to it.
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Cauliflower and I just Thai rice.
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I can't, and I do it every and I do it to myself every single
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time. I'm like, oh, I'll try a little,
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you know, butter or whatever. Nope, tastes like crap.
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So I like roasted cauliflower. Not in my, not as my pizza
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crust, but I like it. OK.
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All right. So.
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Yeah, so, but yeah, those, so those, those kind of videos or
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those kind of things, I, I try to avoid anything that hurts
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another animal. I I, I and I guess even as a
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kid, remember we watched Mutual of Omaha.
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Oh yes, that was traumatizing. Yeah, Marlon Perkins and all
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that. I mean, as a kid you're like,
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and you know, and the lion attacks the zebra and all that.
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I mean, as kids we and we watch it in school.
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Oh yeah, we had to sit there. They'd, you know, wheel in the
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ginormous TV and we have to watch that.
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Bambi was the movie that traumatized me.
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I would think I was like 4 or 5 when it came out.
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Of course, that traumatized me so bad as a little kid.
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Like, I mean so bad. And my dad was a hunter, so.
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Why yeah, why does no one ever call out Disney for the fact
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that they always kill the parents off all the and?
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It's always the mom. It's always.
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Well, except for in Lion King. That's, but that's a different.
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Right. But Mufasa, I still cried during
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Mufasa dying. Absolutely.
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Of course I love Mufasa, you know.
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Yeah, we'd be watching Lion King and Shaylee would make should be
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like, speed it up, speed it up, you know, the part where he's
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going to die. So I'd have to Fast forward to
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pass that part every single time.
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Of course, Yeah. Fox is the man.
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How? Yeah, exactly So so.
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And and for us. I know Logan used to love the
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Homeward Bound series. Oh yes.
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What what with with is it shadow and and what's the There's a
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cat? With Sally Field trying to think
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of a cat's name. Shoot.
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And I want to say it's Chancer Chase is the dog, which is
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Michael J. Fox, I think it's chance.
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It's chance, Chance. It's been so long since the kid
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to watch. That girl, the little Yeah, the.
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I mean, I know you're oh, sassy. Yes.
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Sassy is the name of the cat I. Should have remembered that
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because that's why Matthew's cat is named Sassy, but Sassy she's
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not. But I mean.
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But even movies like Benji and Lassie.
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Old Yeller, Hello. That was the most traumatizing.
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Horrible. And we watched that in school.
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Oh, and we also watched the the one.
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Is it where the red Fern grows or whatever?
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Where's the the the baby deer or whatever?
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It's like not the what the effort we watch in this, you
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know, looking looking back, it's like, what are we watching this
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in school for? Man, no wonder Gen.
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Z is messed up. Look at all the things.
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They probably don't have to watch.
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Yeah, they, yeah, the new kid, the kids coming up probably
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don't have to watch any of this stuff.
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Where they see worse stuff? I mean they have YouTube and all
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TikTok kind of stuff, so video games I.
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Don't. I don't know, I think.
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I think. We didn't have.
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We saw it. We saw what Romeo and Juliet
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where you got a little side boob.
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That was about all you got. Got to see a little bit of that
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and then. Is that what you remember?
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Well, that's what I remember and then they'll create for me going
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through school, one of the craziest videos that they don't
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they don't our movies a was nanook of the North and you'll
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have to go do a little. You'll have to go do what?
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Does that sound familiar? Because we, we were showing it
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like in fourth or fifth grade where it's the Eskimos and how
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they keep warm and they live in an igloo.
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And it's called Nanuk of the North.
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And it's a, and it's a movie from like 19401950, but it's an
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educational movie, you know, and it was weird because it was
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almost like, it was almost like going to the library and looking
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at the National Geographic. Because remember when you first
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saw your first boobs or whatever it was, it was National
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Geographic in the school library.
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And so this Nanuk of the North movie, of course had one.
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And, and now the family's getting ready for bedtime.
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And you see but boobs, you see boobs.
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But you know, you're great. But I mean, it's educational.
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Right. I mean, skin to skin is how you
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stay warm. That's how they stayed warm.
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So but it's called Nanook of the North maybe.
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So when is old enough as we didn't remember that and that
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and that's why it is familiar when you go do a little search
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after you get off the podcast. Yeah, now I'm gonna have to go
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watch it be traumatized even more.
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Yeah. So I, I do, I, I don't, I don't
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think none of the kids have to go through what we had to go
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through. So no Mutual of Omaha, no
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different different things like that that you know, but it's
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again, I understand why that zoo's doing that.
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I understand and and I guess a horse is a horse is tough to
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dispose of. Oh, yeah, so.
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And legally, you can't just go bury.
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Well, I mean, in the United States, I don't know if this is
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a denim. I don't.
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Know No, you can't, especially in our state.
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I just know this because my aunt's old horse died and so
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they couldn't just, you know, get a backhoe and bury it on our
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property. So you have to they had.
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To dispose of your horse, yeah, yeah, that's interest and not
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and not just taxidermy where they stuff them.
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I mean, you could you. Love that horse.
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You could if you want to. But how expensive it would be to
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stuff a horse? That's got to be expensive.
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Well, I mean if you love that horse, I guess it would be worth
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it I you. Know I've thought about that for
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my old animals and I thought that's a little creepy I mean I
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thought, you know, I talked to Megan about.
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That yeah with their cats and dogs.
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Shaylee talks about doing it with our one eyed cat that she
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loves, so I just think having him.
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I just think it's a Creepian. Yeah.
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I mean, on one hand I think it like, yeah, having Phoebe
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stuffed, but then I'm like, Nah, I don't know if I.
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Well, I mean, again, my dad was a hunter.
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And when you have the deer head with the little glass beady eyes
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at night, when the light shines off of their little glass eyes
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as you're trying to walk from your bedroom to your bathroom
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and it freaks you the fuck out. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, like that's I I mean, your
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cat or your dog would be the same.
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They would have little glass eyes just, like sitting there
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staring at you. I just think, yeah, I've been
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whatever way you want them to. You know, cats are sometimes
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like curled up. They you know, I've.
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Seen, I've watched enough of TV shows or YouTube channels where
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they where they've stuffed their animal and then you're like,
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well, that's kind of that's creepy.
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There was a TV, there was a TV show about it.
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There was a TV show actually on A&E or whatever about stuffing
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your pets and they go pick up their pets and stuff like.
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Which I'm they're doing that with people.
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Haven't you seen the funerals where people are say there was a
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guy that left his motorcycle and they had him sitting on the
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motorcycle like at the funeral. They're not necessarily stuffed.
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I'm not really sure how they're preserving them, but I've just
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seen little bits about this that or like some guy was sitting in
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his classic car and yeah, it looks freaky because obviously
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they're dead and they don't look the same.
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So cars only put so much makeup on someone.
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That is creepy. That's creepy.
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People are doing that, so I guess, you know, if we want to
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be someplace we love or with our car.
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Have you already decided how are you going to be buried or
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cremated? Have you decided that?
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Oh there, sorry I was glitching for a second.
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Have you decided if you're going to be buried or cremated?
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Cremated. Cremated.
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Yeah. So pretty much Megan is Megan
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wants to be cremated and then she wants to come back as a
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tree. That's kind of what we
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discussed. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Well, you can be made into fertilizer in our state, you
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know. Certainly can be.
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Made into vinyl records Nowadays you can be made into lots of
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different. Things, yeah, cremated for me.
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I don't want any bugs coming in. I mean, even though I'm dead,
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but the thought of that just grosses me out, I think.
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It would be for me, being such a comic book lover, it'd be cool
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to be mixed into a comic book or something.
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There you go. Yeah, I'm sure they can mix you
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into the ink and. Yeah, something prints you out,
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but I already know. But you know, I already
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discussed in a previous podcast where you know, my ass is gone
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anyway because you remember Megan, Megan got mad about my
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mom being in the house. So I know that I would not be
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long for the world as ashes. I'm going to be dumped
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somewhere. I don't know where I'm going to
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be dumped, but I'll be dumped somewhere.
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Maybe at a Comic Con. She'll take you to a Comic Con.
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She will. Yeah.
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Sprinkle you all over. You know, I don't even think
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she'd be sentimental. I don't even, I don't think she
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has a sentimental bone in her body about those.
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Things so you're going to. Get yourself knowing my knowing
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my luck, I'll be out on the front porch.
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I. Don't know and the rain will
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wash me away. Yeah, I was just going to say
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she could just sweep you up. Sweep you away?
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Well, since we're talking about dead people, we can transition
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to the other thing I wanted to talk about which.
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OK. So did you see this AI version
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of the Parkland deceased victim? So weird.
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Jim Acosta interviewed. Have you seen that?
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I have not tell me about it. OK, so there's an AI generated
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Joaquin Oliver. He's one of the victims from the
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Parkland school shooting, which his parents created this AI
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version of him. So it's his parents, you know,
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you know, wanting this to happen.
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And then they wanted the interview.
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They wanted Jim Acosta to interview him.
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And so he, I watched it because I, of course, I was fascinated.
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He discusses gun control measures, obviously, because his
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parents do have a nonprofit for gun control.
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And then Jim is asking him basic questions that he he talks about
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movies. I'm at first I thought it was a
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little bit creepy, but then I started thinking, OK, if I lost
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a kid so tragically, I would probably do the same.
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Because the mom was talking, she said that sometimes she'll go
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and talk to this AI generated version of her son and ask him
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questions. And so in my mind, I'm like,
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yeah, I mean, if I lost a kid so tragically, I would probably do
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that. But now some people are raising
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questions about AI generating dead people and the ethics
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surrounding it. And my thought is, well, the
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parents did it themselves. So right there, that makes it OK
20:02
as, you know, as his parents, if they did it and had it produced.
20:08
But of course with AI, you know bad people are going to do bad
20:11
things. You know, with the deceased
20:14
people and who knows what's going to happen.
20:18
I mean look at all the AI generated deep fake videos that
20:21
are out that you can't really tell are even fake.
20:24
So I can't imagine what people are going to do with deceased
20:28
loved ones and try to get people.
20:32
This thing is all this thing is all over the place and and then
20:35
the parents that I I like the parents.
20:37
Their reasoning is this is how they get to spend time with
20:41
their son. I guess they've inputted his
20:43
favorite movies, different things like that.
20:46
They, they got somehow they got his speaking voice and they.
20:51
I didn't I. Don't know how they got the
20:52
speaking voice. There was nothing, yeah, there
20:55
was nothing in the article that I read and I don't.
20:58
And in the little snippet that I watched of Jim Acosta doing the
21:02
interview, nothing is really said about that.
21:04
So I'm not sure how they. But you figure AI can do
21:07
anything with voices now. So.
21:09
Right. Absolutely.
21:10
It just regenerated his voice from when he was a teenager
21:15
before the shooting happened. I guess if you had voice of your
21:19
loved one. Well, and, and this, this
21:23
avatar, it's got information that it's gleaned from the
21:27
Internet and then things Oliver wrote, said posted online.
21:31
So it is parts of his personality are in the AI avatar
21:34
that they've created. I mean, I mean, and, and even
21:38
the mom says it's not about bringing him back.
21:42
No, it's not about bringing him back, but they, but they can
21:44
spend time with him, right? And I, that's powerful.
21:47
I mean, really, right. I, I, I have a friend she's a
21:52
wonderful person. Her name is Shawna and her
21:55
daughter passed away a few years ago in a tragic car accident.
21:59
And so even to this day, I know that I, I see little memorials
22:02
and different things I want to say the daughter's name is Leah,
22:05
Leah or Leah. And my friend still hurts with
22:09
the loss of her daughter. Now she has multiple children,
22:12
but but this one was cut short in life, 18 years old.
22:16
And so her and her friend were out, you know, they, they didn't
22:20
cause the accident. They were going, they were going
22:22
through an intersection and someone ran a red light there
22:26
and killed him. And so I, I've talked to my son
22:31
a lot. I've talked to Logan about I, I
22:36
have to, I can't outlive my own kid.
22:39
I just, I, you know, I can't do it.
22:42
It's like, I don't know about you, but it's like, I want, I
22:45
don't want I don't want I and I've known people who've lost
22:47
kids through through drug abuse, O DS suicide, different things
22:54
work. People that I've worked with
22:55
have lost their kids and it changes you.
23:00
So I'm, you know, I I, I exactly.
23:04
I mean, yeah. Is there, you know, there is
23:07
there a moral question about the the AI or the avatar, I guess?
23:12
But again, it's the parents that had it created.
23:15
It wasn't. So yeah, it wasn't.
23:16
Somebody yeah out to doing it that was looking to cause harm
23:21
or, you know, fake out the the parents, you know, with a deep
23:25
fake of it, you know, just stuff like that, I mean.
23:28
And I and I, and I definitely understand that because I look
23:31
at it. So for me, we, we talked on a,
23:34
on a different podcast about celebrity passing passings away
23:38
and stuff. And I, and I've often said for
23:42
me to actually cry at a funeral, even with somebody I knew, it's
23:47
got to be for me a deep connection, like really deep
23:50
connection. So people I felt like I should
23:52
have cried over at a funeral, I didn't cry over.
23:55
But but there have been people in my life that have passed away
23:58
that I absolutely did, like my foster mom, my foster dad and I,
24:02
it was so funny. I was in Boise over the weekend
24:05
visiting my best buddy from high school and I was trying to come
24:08
back and I came back through Baker City where my foster
24:10
sister lives, Kathy, who's a spitting image of my foster mom.
24:14
She is my foster mom. And they, they weren't home, but
24:19
I was texting back and forth with her, you know, and, and I
24:22
thought to myself how much I loved, I loved my foster sister.
24:28
Like, I like if I could spend tons of time with her, I would
24:31
because #1 she is just like my foster mom.
24:34
So it's almost, it's almost for me, it's almost like spending
24:37
time with with my foster mom, even though they're two
24:41
different people, even though they're wonderfully two
24:44
different people, There's so much of my foster mom in her.
24:47
So, So to me, if you asked me if I could create an, if I could
24:51
create an avatar of my foster parents, no amount of money
24:54
would would keep me from doing that, right?
24:56
Then I could just talk to them, right.
24:58
So I'm kind of on I, I, yeah, I don't under, I mean, AII think
25:02
AI has good things and I think AI has bad things.
25:04
But this one I think is a good thing, right?
25:06
Especially, yeah, when you're hurting no one, you're hurting.
25:10
And the problem is there's no real regulations over AI.
25:13
It's just kind of the wild, Wild West at this point.
25:15
And how do you even police something like that?
25:17
If somebody did create a deep fake video of your loved one and
25:21
then send it to you, you, you know, it's just craziness.
25:25
Like, how is this even going to get controlled and police to
25:29
like, like, what's going to happen?
25:32
Like things, things got to be in place at some point in time.
25:36
Wasn't there a movie called her or different like that different
25:38
things like that? Where was it?
25:40
Artificial intelligence? And then I OK, take it to the
25:42
take it to the next step here. You ready, Michelle?
25:45
The one that got away. The oneness.
25:49
You're. Going to create.
25:51
No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying though, you know
25:54
if the one that got away or the one that never was.
25:58
True. You can.
25:59
You can take photos and take information and create an AI
26:03
version of this fantasy. So women, we could create our
26:08
perfect man. You could.
26:10
Who does the dishes, Garv? Guard in there if you want Sam
26:12
Hunt. I understand, you know, there's,
26:15
you know, a little creepy, but it's like, yeah, what what
26:20
should be the, what should be the limitations on that?
26:23
Yeah, I mean, do. You think there should be a law?
26:24
Do you think there should be a law on that?
26:26
Well, you know, for people that not for like us as the parents,
26:31
so his parents, it was them who had it created.
26:34
That's a different than if someone else is creating it and
26:37
then using it against you or just putting it out there.
26:41
That's completely two different things.
26:43
But there is no regulation over that currently either.
26:45
So something is going to have to be done with this whole AI
26:49
craziness. But again, it's just a wild,
26:51
Wild West at this point, so. Well, the Internet one time was
26:54
wild, Wild West. And they?
26:56
They clamped down on it and it still is to some extent.
27:00
You know, I believe, I believe President Trump was talking
27:03
about something with AI and deep fakes and all that, different
27:07
things like that. So I'll be curious to see if any
27:10
legislation ever passes on that. I always look at as long as
27:13
billionaires are getting rich. If billionaires are getting rich
27:16
off AI, guess what? There's no, they're not gonna.
27:19
It's not gonna happen. Yeah.
27:21
Not gonna happen. Not gonna happen because if it
27:23
means more money in their pocket, and again, if you can,
27:26
if you can make a smear video of your political opponent
27:29
opponent, why would you not? Right.
27:31
Oh yeah. I mean, I mean.
27:32
And people will believe. It's made of Obama and Joe
27:35
Biden. Yeah.
27:35
What was the one that was just posted where he was getting, you
27:38
know, knocked out of his chair and then getting deported?
27:41
Posted that on his social. Yeah.
27:43
So, yeah, come on. So, but yeah, I, I actually, I
27:48
and I think, and I think the reasoning why they created the,
27:51
the Avatar in terms of gun safety, I think, I think that
27:55
that's a, that's a good mission. I think that's a good good, a
27:59
good message. Right, right.
28:02
Yeah, definitely so. It's not like, yeah.
28:04
I would want, I would want to create my dad like you were
28:06
talking about your foster mom, like I would want my dad to be
28:10
singing karaoke again like he used to.
28:12
So I get it. I think I would create Logan
28:15
without the sarcasm. We could create perfect.
28:19
I know he's, I know, I know he's listening to this podcast.
28:24
So Logan, I would take parts of your mom out.
28:27
Gosh, I would know. You're gonna get us in so much
28:33
trouble. He's gonna kill me.
28:35
I should just invite him and not tell you you.
28:38
Should That would be awesome. And then he should be awesome.
28:41
That'd be awesome. He'd be great.
28:42
He could like hit you with everything.
28:44
Then he would, he would correct you.
28:46
Here's all the things he said. They're wrong.
28:48
So this. Isn't true, You exaggerated no
28:52
right. Well, think about, just think
28:54
about how sad it is for the words left unsaid, like like the
28:59
Parkland, like the Parkland victims.
29:01
It's like as a parent, you don't know if you're not seeing your
29:05
child for the very last time. And what if you?
29:07
And what if you had a fight before they went to school that
29:10
day? Right.
29:11
Like they didn't clean, like they didn't clean their room or
29:13
something. So stupid and petty.
29:15
Right. And as a parent go off right,
29:17
That's something we would just instinctively as.
29:20
A parent get upset. With them about.
29:23
The guilt would eat you alive if if your kid had gone off to
29:27
school on that that fateful day. And and yeah, it would be
29:31
horrific. So I also think it's a good way
29:34
to heal. I mean, I know this is kind of
29:35
bizarre, but maybe a good way to heal?
29:37
Maybe, yeah. So I would, I would, if I love
29:42
somebody that much, I, I, I would probably do that.
29:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I probably would.
29:49
It would just really depend. I think so, yeah.
29:52
Well, I mean, and the nice thing, I mean, geez, it's, it's
29:55
just so yeah, these are going to be the questions that morally
29:59
we'll have to ask over the next 10 to 1520 years as AI gets
30:02
better and better and better, right?
30:04
Yeah, definitely. So but but yeah, I wouldn't.
30:07
But people that are obsessed or upset or driven, who knows what.
30:13
What can create our own stalkers?
30:15
What can create? Yeah.
30:17
What, what else? Yeah.
30:17
What would what would? What would they do in those
30:19
particular situations? Yeah, yeah.
30:23
All right. Last week, we discussed your
30:26
bullies in the last week's podcast, and that reminded me of
30:31
my own child, Shaylee, who's the youngest.
30:35
So I have a story to tell about her.
30:37
She's going to be pissed off about this, but she might or she
30:41
might not care. So when she went to preschool,
30:44
so she was probably around the age of 3 or 4, she started
30:50
biting children at preschool. But the preschool teacher, Miss
30:54
Teresa, who is a St. This woman is a St.
30:58
We love her to this day. One, she never told me that
31:03
Shaylee was biting kids. You know how normally if your
31:05
kid bites someone, the teacher tells you when you pick them up
31:08
or there's like a little slip in their cubby, like, oh, so and so
31:12
did this today. No, no, she never once told me.
31:16
And she would just tell Shaylee. Oh, Shaylee don't bite no
31:20
anymore. That's basically just how she
31:22
reprimanded her. Then at the age of 5, when she
31:28
went on to kindergarten, she was still biting kids, but now she
31:33
was targeting kids that would not tell on her so that she
31:39
wouldn't get in trouble. So at the age of four and five,
31:43
she is specifically thinking about, oh, I'm going to bite
31:48
this child because I know this child won't tell on me.
31:52
And I'm thinking, when I was five, I was playing tag and hide
31:55
and go seek. I was not thinking about, oh,
31:57
I'm going to bite this kid and they're not going to tell on me.
32:01
Then around Christmas time, just probably like 8 or 9, we're
32:08
getting all the Christmas decorations out.
32:10
There's like Christmas music playing in the background.
32:12
And all of a sudden she just like stops and she says, do you
32:17
know the best way to dispose of a dead body?
32:22
I just like, like I stopped for a second.
32:26
I think I had like a Christmas toe in my hand.
32:29
I just kind of froze for a second and I'm thinking, oh,
32:32
shit, did I buy this kid everything that was on her
32:35
Christmas list? I'm like, I'm like, Oh my God,
32:37
why is what is happening? And I said, oh, are you asking
32:42
because you know or because you need to know?
32:45
Right, right. Oh gosh.
32:48
And she was like, then she just like proceeded to tell me, you
32:52
know, like the best way to dispose of a dead body.
32:56
And so if I am ever killed, you know, the first person that you
33:00
need to look at right there. So, and you feel this is like
33:03
4-5, you know, 8 years old that she's doing all these things and
33:07
saying all these things. And, and we just learned about
33:11
the biting thing. She just told us about it a few
33:13
years ago. We had no clue.
33:15
Like no clue. She got away with her.
33:17
Yes, because she was targeting kids that wouldn't tell on her
33:21
like. Wow.
33:21
Got away with it she's 19 yes yes so I'm thinking the new
33:29
requirements for sociopath when kids are like little isn't it
33:34
like one of them like harming animals, which she loves animals
33:37
and that might have been a clue but.
33:40
At least a little bit of a, a, you know?
33:43
Yeah. Yeah, crazy so.
33:46
And I'm surprised the teacher never the teacher just never
33:49
brought it up. No, Miss Teresa again, she's a
33:51
St. and she never said anything to me.
33:54
And by then she had learned once she went to kindergarten to
33:57
target the kids that wouldn't tell.
33:59
So then they wouldn't tell like the the playground teacher or,
34:02
or the teacher. And she got away with it.
34:05
And I asked her, I said, well, are you leaving?
34:07
Were you leaving marks on these kids?
34:09
And she was like maybe a little bit, but nothing too serious.
34:12
I'm thinking what, OK, what parent is not noticing that
34:17
their child is coming home with like, you know, teeth marks or
34:21
whatever on their arm wherever she was biting them.
34:24
I don't know. Because as a parent I would
34:26
freak out and go to the school and be like hey, why is my kid
34:29
it? Was biting my it was biting my
34:30
kid. Exactly.
34:31
But nobody, nobody, nothing, nothing.
34:33
She got away with it. That's crazy.
34:35
Well, I I guess it was a phase. I mean, who knows?
34:39
I don't know, she could still be.
34:41
Biting might still be biting people you don't know you don't
34:44
know but. Who knows?
34:46
That that that's yeah, that's kind of sociopathic behavior.
34:51
I'll, I'll mark that mark that one down.
34:53
That's just kind of crazy that you got away with it.
34:54
That's the fascinating thing about the story is how could
34:58
she, you know at. Four years old, again, when I
35:02
was 4I, I was not thinking those things.
35:05
Like you're not strategizing. I don't know what the correct
35:09
word would be. I mean, that you're thinking I'm
35:13
going to specifically target these kids because they're not
35:16
going to tell on me. I mean she was profiling other
35:19
kids at that age because she was figuring out which kids wouldn't
35:23
tell on her, which is crazy at 4 that you would think that or
35:28
have that ability. Well, I think that I think every
35:31
child is different and and their motivations are totally
35:35
different. I would I I had to go to this
35:37
wedding in Anatone recently and I was talking to Melanie, who's
35:41
in my book, my book Melanie bots.
35:43
You know, the, the little girl that I probably experienced lots
35:46
of firsts with and one of the stories I had forgotten about
35:50
was Melanie had made me touch an electric fence when we were
35:54
little kids. And so and her sister Tracy was
35:58
at this wedding. Melanie, I haven't seen Melanie
36:00
in 30-40 years, but her sister Tracy.
36:03
And she goes, hey, she goes, she goes, my sister was so mean to
36:07
you and so cruel to you. And I said, what do you mean?
36:10
And she goes, she goes, she may remember when she made you touch
36:13
the she made you touch the electric fence.
36:15
And I went, oh, yeah, I do remember that.
36:17
Well, apparently as, as Tracy says, is Melanie had blackmail
36:21
on me. I had done something I had done
36:24
something naughty. And so to get me to touch this
36:26
electric fence, Melanie, blackmail, blackmail by saying,
36:30
well, I'll, I'm going to tell Pearl, if you don't, if you if
36:33
you don't touch this fence, Oh gosh.
36:36
Because being on the ranch, being on a ranch, you have
36:37
electric fences. Oh yeah, we back back then all
36:40
over the all over the place. But you know, and I remember
36:43
getting shocked, but I I just cannot for the life remember
36:45
what I was getting blackmailed for.
36:47
But I. Was that was going to be my
36:48
question? What was the blackmail I?
36:50
Really don't know. Even Tracy didn't know.
36:53
But it's funny how Tracy, who's the older sister, has a
36:56
different recollection of her sister than I have of of her
37:00
sister. You have this fond recollection.
37:02
I have a fond recollection. Well, what's a, what's a good
37:06
way to describe? I mean, she's like, we were a
37:07
little. We were little kids.
37:10
Melanie got, well, I even write about in the book, she got me in
37:13
a lot of trouble for different things, like my first cigarette,
37:15
you know, different, different things.
37:17
So she was. Yeah, she was what?
37:19
What was the code word? Fast?
37:23
She was way more. Yeah.
37:25
She was way more experimental than I probably would have been
37:28
at that age. And she just drugged me along
37:29
with her so. Basically she's just a different
37:33
version of Shaylee basically. Yeah, basically.
37:36
Well, she'd be, she'd be one of those like, you know, I'll jump,
37:39
I'll jump off this, this ledge. If you'll jump off this ledge
37:42
and then you end up jumping off the ledge.
37:43
And then she doesn't jump off the ledge.
37:46
She's up there still. You're like, why didn't you
37:48
jump? She goes, I'm not stupid or, you
37:50
know, she's kind of like that personality.
37:52
Yeah. So that's interesting.
37:54
Still, Shayla, you got away with one better.
37:57
Mark that up to karma on that one.
37:58
Yeah, yeah. Do you want to know what she
38:00
said the best way to dispose of a body was when she was 8?
38:04
Yeah, let's hear, let's hear, let's hear the plan.
38:05
Yeah, she goes on to tell me she goes, OK, so you take the body.
38:10
Remember, she's 8, so she was. You take the body and you take
38:14
it up into the woods and you bury it, and then you find a
38:19
dead animal and then you bury, you put some dirt on top of the
38:24
body, then you put the dead carcass in the hole and then you
38:28
put some dirt on that. And she goes.
38:30
Because then when the cadaver dogs hit on it, they're only
38:33
going to find the dead carcass and not the body.
38:37
Oh, so clever. And I was like, so Dexter, so
38:40
Dexter. Good job, Dexter.
38:42
I mean, that's why our dog is named Dexter, because she loves
38:45
that show so. Oh yeah, there you go.
38:48
Yeah, I mean, I had no idea what if what she was telling me was
38:52
like legit or again, she was 8 and I'm thinking, where is she
38:55
getting this information? YouTube.
38:57
It has to be YouTube or Dexter wasn't.
38:59
I don't think Dexter was out during that time and she
39:01
wouldn't be watching Dexter, although they did watch like
39:03
Five Nights at Freddy's Which. Just found.
39:06
Out what what that was about and I was like.
39:08
What? Right.
39:09
Maybe that. Maybe that was it.
39:10
I, you know, I guess you're going to be happy, Michelle, if
39:13
Shaylee decides to be a surgeon or something.
39:15
Well. I mean, that's what we're hoping
39:18
she is going to see for. So she has talked about going on
39:22
to be a doctor, but it's a lot. And I don't know if she wants to
39:27
do that much school and also she doesn't really want to people
39:29
that much. She doesn't want to deal with
39:32
the well, the patient's family basically.
39:35
She can deal with the patient but not the family so.
39:38
It's kind of like doctor house, right?
39:41
He had diagnostic diagnosis, everything but, but he don't
39:45
want to meet the family. Yeah, yeah, she's kind of yeah.
39:48
She's like the female version of him basically.
39:50
That might kind of cool it. Yeah.
39:51
There you go. Yeah, anyway, all right, so.
39:55
I'm making notes on the the the dead body if I got.
39:58
To do that one I've also heard because now I pay attention to
40:02
this stuff when I see it or hear it but I've also seen someone
40:04
say that if you take. A plant or flower that is, is it
40:12
endangered? I don't know if that would be
40:15
the word for plants. And if you plant that on top of
40:20
the body, so you basically do the same thing, she said.
40:23
So you take the body, you put some dirt on, you know, you bury
40:26
it, put some dirt on it, then put the plant on top of it,
40:29
plant it because then they can't dig up this endangered plant.
40:33
But I don't know, that's just something I saw on the Internet
40:36
as well. So I don't know if that's true.
40:38
I don't know if somebody has tried this.
40:41
I don't know if this is hypothetical.
40:42
I have no idea. I I.
40:45
It's kind of, I mean, I think about like, I've thought about
40:49
it a lot, but it's like. How you want to dispose of a
40:53
body? No, like take in the life of
40:56
somebody. Oh gosh.
40:58
Like, I, I mean, I know, I, you know, I know I'm not a sociopath
41:02
because I just, I to, to break somebody's neck or I mean, just
41:07
think about the, the, the violent act that it takes to do
41:10
that, right. So it's one of those, I mean,
41:13
not not that I haven't thought about it, but but I'm like, I, I
41:18
I in, in, you know, even talking big, I'm like, I even going to
41:23
war with a gun and take. And I know it's your job and you
41:27
got to take a life. And I guess that's why they say
41:30
that eventually you just get callous.
41:31
You know, you just, you know, you know, you numb yourself out
41:35
of that particular situation. So yeah, it's like I just
41:38
couldn't imagine that I. Mean as a he looks.
41:41
Good on paper, looks great on paper, right?
41:44
Looks good. Looks good in a mystery novel.
41:46
Looks good on ATV show. But yeah, but to actually commit
41:49
the crime, Yeah, I don't know. But as a female and I get past
41:55
podcast, we've talked about my stalkers, you have to kind of
41:59
think about oh, OK, if XYZ happened, how would I survive or
42:05
get out of this or if this happened or this happened.
42:09
And so in our mind, we kind of have to plan for a worst case
42:12
scenario because we're. Finals and I couldn't imagine I
42:15
mean, a woman always has to plan for you just don't know and and
42:20
what 99% of serial killers are male or men or or men and and so
42:25
women are such a small percentage of that.
42:27
So they're they're out there. The women are out there.
42:30
But it's yeah, it's like, yeah, being a man is completely
42:35
different than being a woman and, and worried about your
42:39
surroundings or different things like that.
42:41
All the time. All right, well, let's
42:44
transition to something different.
42:46
So you mentioned that Snap is going to regulate what you can
42:53
and can't buy is that? Right.
42:55
Yeah. So, so for the longest time, of
42:57
course, SNAP being food stamps or the supplemental, you know,
43:01
nutrition of that it is, it used to be that pretty much not
43:07
anything that was food related you could buy in the store and
43:09
that that was going to that you could, you know, so you could
43:12
buy candy, you could buy soda pop, you could buy chips and
43:14
different things like that. Well, now a lot of states,
43:17
especially your red states have now all teamed up and they're
43:21
starting to say, well, no, you can't buy chips or you can't buy
43:24
soda pop or one of the big things that I saw that was added
43:27
was energy drinks. So your Red Bulls and stuff,
43:30
that's got to be, well, that's got to be expensive.
43:32
I can't, I'm not addicted to energy drinks.
43:34
I just, but I hear that they're probably, they're outrageously
43:36
expensive, right? Yes, yeah, Shaylee drinks them,
43:39
so I know go to Costco and buy, buy it in the case for her.
43:43
So, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
43:44
So you've got, yeah. So you've got to basically, you
43:48
know that I mean, I guess that kind of stuff is is expensive.
43:51
It is expensive, but these states are these states are
43:54
jumping on now and I'm curious what, you know, on one hand, I'm
43:58
like, OK, they're trying to control obesity and all that.
44:01
I was trying to think of what states, West Virginia, Florida,
44:05
Colorado, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas.
44:08
I've already asked. They've already put new waivers
44:10
in to limit the food and so that they're in there, but then
44:15
they're. In our state, King, you can't
44:16
buy pop, right? I think.
44:19
Yeah, you can, I thought. That was, oh, I thought you
44:20
couldn't in our state. With it Nope, you can so
44:24
interesting if I laugh at Utah restricts purchase of soft
44:27
drinks really so is that is is that and I'm not going to try to
44:33
be judge. I'm not going to try to be
44:34
judgmental on this. But hello Mormons.
44:37
Hello, have you not watched the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
44:40
show? They're not that that makes me
44:43
laugh that they're big thing is, you can't have caffeine.
44:45
You need to watch that show because all they do is drink
44:48
pop. They are allowed to drink pop
44:49
now instead of coffee. So instead of like coffee
44:51
stands, they have these places called Swig and it's you just
44:55
get your pop with different flavorings in it.
44:58
So. So your only restrictions while
45:00
Utah is only soft drinks, West Virginia soft drinks, Texas is
45:04
drinks, sweetened drinks and candy, Oklahoma soft drinks and
45:08
candy, Nebraska soda and energy drinks really is interesting
45:12
enough. It really is really against
45:15
drinking soda pop, basically. Right, which is?
45:18
And you know, and you know me and you know me.
45:19
I love my soda. Pop.
45:20
I love my soda pop. You know, I'm an advert, you
45:23
know, but I, but I, so on one hand, I'm like, OK, now it's
45:27
funny. As much as I love soda pop, I
45:30
don't recall having a lot of soda pop as a kid.
45:34
No, me either. I just don't, I don't and even
45:37
and even being poor like we were and my, I mean my foster, I
45:41
lived in a restaurant. Right.
45:43
So you had I had pop every day. Oh yeah.
45:46
Every single day. And I don't recall, I don't
45:48
recall my mom and dad giving me soda pop if I had soda, if I had
45:52
pop, it was on a special occasion.
45:54
And I and I write and I write about it in the book to where if
45:58
my mom went to town, my dad and I would throw a little party and
46:01
he'd give me a bag of M&M's and, and crack up a soda pop, but
46:04
that was it. But I didn't have it.
46:06
I don't recall having it for dinner.
46:08
Like it wasn't. Drink it every day.
46:10
No, no. And so, and then maybe with the
46:13
Wallaces, I might have had access to soda pop, I guess a
46:16
little bit more. They were on food stamps that,
46:18
you know, they were, they were on food stamps.
46:20
So maybe that maybe that's when I had a little bit more that the
46:23
the soda. But it's one of those things.
46:26
On one hand I'm like, hey, that's a good idea.
46:28
But on the flip side, I'm like, is this people trying to control
46:31
people again? Right.
46:33
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of like growing up, we didn't
46:36
really have pop. My brother did drink chocolate
46:38
milk when he was little. He still had a bottle like, you
46:41
know, 2-3 years old with chocolate milk in it.
46:45
And then and then for our kids again, when we would go out to a
46:49
restaurant, they as a treat they could get pop, but it was only
46:53
white pop because they didn't know the difference.
46:57
They because like Sprite and 7UP don't have caffeine and so, you
47:02
know, Pepsi, Coke have caffeine. So that's why they were allowed
47:05
to white pop. And for the longest time they
47:06
didn't know, you know, and they were fine with getting that.
47:10
And then if we had a party, if we had leftover pop, they were
47:15
allowed to drink that. But then once it was gone, I you
47:18
know, it wasn't in the house. It wasn't in the house all the
47:21
time, so. Right, got it.
47:23
So you didn't go buy a 24 cube of Pepsi or whatever and that
47:26
that was readily available to your kids?
47:28
No. And then energy drinks, as you
47:30
know, they got older, Benjamin, Benjamin and Shaylee, which I
47:34
would limit them and tell them because they could go down to
47:37
the coffee stand on their way to high school and buy 1 and I
47:40
wouldn't know. And I told them, look, if you're
47:43
going to drink these, you're only allowed one a day.
47:46
Like that's all you get. You can, I'm sure you're going
47:49
to go buy one and not going to know about it, but just one a
47:52
day, That's all I ask. And for the most part, they
47:54
mostly listened. Shaylee's one friend, she drank
47:58
6 in one day and I was like no, no, you are not doing that I
48:03
don't think so and she. Was like, her heart was like.
48:05
Freaking out. Is it a status symbol though?
48:09
I don't to drink the. Energy it is.
48:11
I think it's, I think it's the same thing as when a kid gets to
48:14
walk into class with a Starbucks, probably, you know,
48:17
and and then they walk in with a Red Bull.
48:20
Probably I yeah, I think, I think.
48:22
People look at that as more of a, you know, a monster, a Red
48:26
Bull, right, pick on Red Bull, right.
48:28
So, so yeah, it's interesting. The states are are starting to
48:31
do this. Not, not Washington.
48:33
I was surprised by Colorado, which is a pretty liberal state
48:36
for the most part, but they're gonna do, I believe they're
48:38
gonna do soda pop. So the big defenders of people
48:42
that this the the people that the snap people are saying,
48:46
well, what about a birthday party, like where you go to
48:49
Albertson's and buy a cake? You know, can you because,
48:53
because right. So they're like, they're these
48:56
are we're talking about, these are poor people.
48:58
So you're going to keep, you're going to keep a little Susie
49:00
from having a birthday cake. Now they can buy now they can
49:05
buy the ingredients for a cake. At least that's that's people's
49:08
rebuttal. Hey, well, they can buy
49:09
ingredients and make a cake. So but I do you think that
49:14
that's kind of like, do you think that's kind of still
49:17
trying to control people? Like, like that's rich, rich
49:20
people basically telling poor people what they can't have.
49:23
Right, yes, which I understand, you know, again, people that are
49:28
on snap, you know they have to make the most out of their money
49:32
and so a lot of times they're buying like Top ramen, you know,
49:35
things that are the cheapest that are going to last them the
49:38
longest to feed their. Not the healthiest.
49:40
And it's not, and it's not, yeah, it's not because they're
49:42
deliberately trying to be unhealthy.
49:43
Have you tried to buy healthy food?
49:45
Yes, it's expensive. They and.
49:47
It's outrageous. It's outrageous.
49:48
Yeah, they only have a certain amount of money for the month to
49:51
feed their entire family. So you really have to be mindful
49:55
of what you're buying, the quantity, what's going to last,
49:58
what isn't, you know, what's not going to spoil all that kind of
50:01
stuff. So I, I think that it is
50:04
controlling. I am against them.
50:07
I understand the obesity and all that in America, but that could
50:12
be fixed by, you know, this fructose corn syrup, all the
50:17
dyes. If you look at the things that
50:19
are produced in Europe, like take Quaker Oats, like they're
50:23
brown sugar, little instant packets.
50:26
Take the one that is produced in Europe and the one that is
50:28
produced in the USA, The one in Europe is has so much healthy
50:34
ingredients compared to the one in America, which they could
50:37
make that for America. Like there isn't any reason that
50:41
they can't if they're doing it. So on that hand, I feel like
50:45
that's where the government is really going to have to step in
50:48
and start making our food, making the producers of our
50:53
food, make it healthier. And then in turn, hopefully we
50:57
as people, we'll make choices. I mean, once we get addicted to
51:01
sugar of any kind, then you know, it's my.
51:04
It's my favorite thing. Right, it's almost worse than
51:06
drugs to some. Extent thing, right?
51:09
Yeah, I don't. So I don't drink, I don't party,
51:11
but I sure like a good Ding. Dong, of course.
51:14
Right, I do. Mountain Dew.
51:16
Yeah, yeah. And so, so and so and but it.
51:19
But I do think it's interesting that that people have taken up
51:23
taken it upon themselves to be judge, judge and jury about what
51:27
someone buys, you know, and it's and it's amazing where the where
51:32
the privilege to have no concept.
51:36
So, so when I was with the Wallaces, when they had all of
51:39
us, we ate a lot of. Pasta because it's cheap.
51:42
Like it's noodles and spaghetti. It's cheap.
51:45
It's cheap. Exactly.
51:47
It's cheap and that's and that's it, plain and simple.
51:49
And, you know, so the the stuff with the most starch is the
51:52
cheapest stuff. Yeah, so it's like and, and and
51:57
I guess according to, you know, the advocates against it, of
52:00
course, there's no study that says someone on SNAP is obese,
52:06
if that makes sense, or only buying junk.
52:09
Food. Buying that's all they're
52:11
bought, right? But we do understand that they
52:13
have to buy because they have big families or bigger families
52:15
have to buy in quantities. So I just thought it was
52:17
interesting that a lot of states are adapting this and, and I,
52:20
you know, I, I, it's, I think it's just fascinating that I,
52:24
is, it is it, is it really a great, I, you know, a good thing
52:28
for the people or is it people controlling people?
52:31
I it to me, it's people controlling people.
52:35
Yes, you're going to have some people on SNAP that that's what
52:39
they will buy pop and junk food. But for the most part, it's most
52:44
of the people on it are good, distant people that are just
52:47
trying to stretch that money for as far as they can.
52:52
And it reminds me around this time of year, people always
52:57
post, you know how they have like free school supplies drives
53:01
where you like come and get the backpack full of them and people
53:05
will post. Well, if you're driving a
53:07
Cadillac, I don't want to see you coming to get this.
53:10
And I had parents that were not financially responsible with
53:15
their money. And so you we're going to make
53:19
that child suffer and not give them that backpack when the
53:24
parent isn't buying it. Like how is that that child's
53:27
fault that that parent is not response with their money?
53:30
That's really. Again, again.
53:32
It's Yeah, I'm with you. It's the same thing as as school
53:34
lunches. School lunches should be free.
53:35
Just period. Oh.
53:36
Gosh. Yes, we we can spend a whole
53:38
podcast in the but but exactly. So if you've got, yeah, so if
53:42
you've got, you know, a parent that, you know, values of their
53:46
vehicle, their Cadillac and which is true, which is true,
53:51
their kid goes, their kid goes without because they're going to
53:53
make sure they're yeah, we've I've seen people without,
53:58
without a JOB with the whitest sneakers I've ever seen.
54:01
And I'm like, how the F are their sneakers so white?
54:04
You know, I'm like, what? It's like, how is that humanly
54:06
possible? So it's all, it's all about
54:09
priorities. And you can't, you can't
54:11
penalize children for that for, for parents, poor choices.
54:16
I know that for, for Pokey and I, we were on, I remember we
54:20
were on food stamps for maybe a year and a half and that was it.
54:27
And, and I remember Pokey had to go and I was working at the
54:29
radio station and I was working at the skating rink.
54:32
And I remember that Pokey had to go in just for the verification
54:35
and they took my pay stubs and the, and that the caseworker was
54:39
like, OK, she goes, I don't understand.
54:41
She goes, you're at the time I was her boyfriend.
54:44
I don't think I we were not married, but she goes your
54:46
boyfriend, she goes works 80 hours a week.
54:51
Dan. Between the two jobs at $5.00 an
54:55
hour and she goes and you still qualify for food stamps, she
54:58
goes. That's a broken system.
55:00
Oh yeah, and it still is. Yeah, but the minute so.
55:04
So we were on it for about a year and a half when Logan was a
55:06
toddler, you know, because we we needed it.
55:08
I was working, I was working two-part time jobs and they
55:11
weren't full time and there was no Benny's or anything like
55:13
that. And so, and 5 bucks an hour,
55:15
that was it. It was horrific.
55:17
And so, but the minute I got a full time job, we were, you
55:22
know, we didn't, we didn't do food stamps, but, but the, the
55:26
program is there for people who need it.
55:29
So I'm a big advocate of using programs, you know, now I also,
55:34
but you also know how I feel. If you're an able bodied male
55:38
who can work right, my sympathy. My sympathy is a lot less.
55:44
You know why? Why are you getting Benny's when
55:47
you're perfectly capable of of fending for yourself, if that
55:50
makes sense? Right, which you're always going
55:52
to have the people that, you know, try to cheat the system or
55:56
do things wrong. But that doesn't mean we take it
55:58
away from everyone. Like that seems to be the
56:01
mindset nowadays is like, oh, we don't it's getting abused or,
56:05
you know, Medicaid's this or money, you know, we got to take
56:07
away from everyone. I don't understand that
56:10
mentality. So I know that when I was
56:13
18/19/20 years old, I thought like that.
56:17
So I, I look back, I'm a complete opposite, 100% opposite
56:23
of, of how I used to believe. I, you know, I used to be one of
56:26
those people that, that I, that I drank that kool-aid to where
56:31
it's like pull yourself up by your bootstraps, pull yourself
56:33
up by your bootstraps. You know, but it's interesting,
56:37
even coming from behind pure poverty like I did, I'm only
56:42
middle class and, and, and you've known me a long time.
56:46
I don't, I mean, I'm that it's not that you my horn, but a lot
56:49
of people don't work as hard as I do.
56:50
Oh. No, that's true.
56:52
That's a true story, right? So so by going by the by just
56:56
how hard I work I should be a multi millionaire just by.
57:01
By what we're told in America, yeah.
57:04
Right, right. And, and we can even say and and
57:06
I and, and to, to, to clarify if there's any award in my company
57:11
award, you know, I've got them all point of the year, point of
57:15
the month, they're stacked. No, they're stacked, right.
57:18
But guess what? That's guess what it is an
57:20
equate into. The dollars.
57:23
The money, the money exactly. Now, am I valuable?
57:26
Sure, I guess to the company to some extent.
57:28
But the hilarity is it's like it, didn't it?
57:30
I'm not getting rich. I'm not rich.
57:32
No. But but if but if, but if hard
57:35
work was based on monetary, both you and I should be the richest
57:38
people on the planet. But it's not it's not based on
57:43
that. And then it's also not just
57:45
based on, you know, again, it's like somebody that that flips
57:49
burgers at jack-in-the-box to me has just as much importance as
57:53
some stupid CEO making 20 million a year.
57:55
Yes, in my book. Definitely I.
57:57
Agree. They just, they just do and so,
58:00
and if you're not gonna and if you're not gonna pay them enough
58:02
to survive, then they should be able to get some Benny's.
58:05
So, so my viewpoint has changed a lot on those those different
58:09
things. I, I hate, hate when people go
58:12
work harder. That's the dumbest shit I've
58:15
ever heard in my entire life. Work harder.
58:17
What are you talking about? Work harder.
58:20
You know, I, I just, you know, and then and I, and I love it
58:23
because there was a great meme a couple days ago on Facebook
58:26
where it showed a upper middle class, you know, house and then
58:30
it showed an apartment and said, don't tell me that the, that you
58:34
got the same start, you know, and that's, and that's what, and
58:38
that's what people who want to keep other people down think.
58:42
It's like, it's like whatever, you know, you got something that
58:45
I didn't get. So I, so I, I resent you, right?
58:49
You're getting, you're getting a couple 100 bucks extra in food
58:53
stamps or you're getting food stamps.
58:55
Well, I don't get that right. I don't get that right.
58:58
Well, OK, but where did you grow up?
59:01
Well, I grew up in West Seattle and my parents made 300 four,
59:04
$100,000 a year and they paid for my college, all these
59:07
different things. So you're.
59:08
Gonna get all this money and this right real.
59:11
Estate, but you're gonna go kick somebody getting 200 bucks extra
59:13
at for food stamps a month because you that's ridiculous
59:17
Yep. So it also.
59:19
So that's my big right, Yeah. Go ahead.
59:21
And it also bothers me, you know, you were talking about how
59:26
you once had to be on food stamps.
59:28
It really bothers me people that have used the system at one
59:33
point in time, mainly back when they were younger and falling on
59:36
hard times. And again, that's what it is
59:39
there for. But then once they become on
59:43
their doing well, making money, they're not on the system
59:47
anymore. Well, now they don't want people
59:51
to use that system. They don't want them to go
59:53
towards that system. And it's like, how is that fair?
59:56
Like you used it when you needed it, but now that you're rich and
1:00:00
you don't want your money or middle class or whatever it is,
1:00:03
and now you don't want your taxes to go to that, how is that
1:00:06
fair? Like it's just hypocritical to
1:00:08
me. I hate it so much.
1:00:11
Absolutely. Well, that's, that's what that's
1:00:13
what we're dealing with right now, you know, and we're we're
1:00:16
dealing with that When when housing, when people bought
1:00:19
their houses, when they bought their house for $75,000, yes,
1:00:22
you know, and they're boomers. They're boomers and they turn
1:00:25
around and look at Matthew or Benjamin or Logan and go, what
1:00:30
do you mean you can't afford a $450,000 home?
1:00:33
Right. Yeah, I did it.
1:00:34
I did it. Yeah.
1:00:35
I was working for the state, I was working for the state, and I
1:00:38
got a pension. Well, trust me, at least work in
1:00:42
a radio. Guess what?
1:00:43
You're getting Jack shit. Yeah.
1:00:44
There's no pension. Anymore no pension and there's
1:00:47
no yeah, there's no. Well then, but that's how they
1:00:49
will then you should, you should go.
1:00:51
Why aren't you working for the state?
1:00:53
You know, why aren't you working for the government?
1:00:55
It's like, wow, they mean just the the, the way of thinking.
1:00:59
You need you need burger flippers just as much as you
1:01:03
need CEOs. Actually, you probably need more
1:01:05
burger flippers than you need CEOs in this planet.
1:01:08
Sorry Planet, Simple. Yes, which it it boggles my mind
1:01:12
that in America we have as the workers all the worker bees in
1:01:17
America, we have this power taken away from us by all these
1:01:22
billionaires and millionaires, when in reality we all hold the
1:01:25
power. Like if they didn't have us,
1:01:28
they wouldn't be millionaires and gazillionaires if we weren't
1:01:31
of course getting everything done for them.
1:01:33
We all just did a general strike for a day or two, two days,
1:01:37
however many days like it would, They would lose money, they
1:01:40
would lose money from. But they're afraid.
1:01:43
But the worker bees are afraid, because what little they have
1:01:49
they. Can't work a day or two days,
1:01:51
right? Right, right.
1:01:52
But what little they have is what they've got and they and
1:01:54
they're and they're terrified of losing that.
1:01:56
And I under I do understand why they why you think like that,
1:02:00
but it's like, and that's you know, but that, that that's, as
1:02:04
my says, as Logan has told me, we didn't get we sadly didn't
1:02:08
get to where we get today without violence.
1:02:10
And that's a sad situation where with labor unions back in the
1:02:13
day, people gave up their lives for labor unions.
1:02:16
And you know, Henry Ford didn't just wake up 1 morning and was
1:02:19
benevolent. Oh no, he his.
1:02:22
Workers forced him into it. The workers forced him into it.
1:02:26
Like you want, you want these shittin model Tasmania out the
1:02:29
door. You're going to, you're going to
1:02:31
take care and, and we kind of need to hopefully in the future,
1:02:34
we'll see that, you know, swing the pendulum, swing back that
1:02:37
way. Which it is his fault that we
1:02:39
have a five day work week. It's it's all his fault.
1:02:44
Because that was the compromise, basically, right?
1:02:46
That was kind of the compromise, yeah.
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He was working his people to death and that was the five day
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work week was the compromise. So yeah.
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Was the was the compromise? But but even when it goes back
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to the snap situation, it's like you know, is taking soda pop
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away from, you know, people going to going to change
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obesity. They're saying they're saying it
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won't. They're not saying, you know.
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No, it's not. They're going to treat.
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They're going to treat pop like they treat cigarettes.
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I mean, that's basically what is happening.
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And energy drinks are going to be on the list too, so.
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And I, and I and I do under, I mean, I do understand limiting
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that. I, I think a better way to do it
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would be to, you know, like I like what you said earlier about
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the Red Bull and your kids, Hey, 1 energy drink per day, right?
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So maybe there's a limit like you can buy a six pack a week or
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something, right? Whatever that limits going to
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be. I just think just barring it, I
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don't know if that I mean, but some would say beggars can't be
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choosers. You're right, beggars can't be
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choosers. I get it.
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But but I I think sometimes that, you know, like you said,
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we attack the whole and not the individual.
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Right, which is usually what it's like.
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It's like, yeah, everything. Yeah, it's like, because like
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welfare fraud, they've, they've already proven that that welfare
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fraud is 1/2 of 1%. Oh yeah.
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I mean, it's ridiculous, but but that's it.
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But that's a, like you said, for some people, that's the the flag
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they wave. Somebody's getting something
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that I'm not. Yep.
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Even though I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth, I'm
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going to make damn sure that person doesn't get, you know,
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anything. Yep, and they're cheating the
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system. What are they doing that using
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my taxes? At all what?
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Gets me is how most of the people think that it's, you
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know, not white people that are the majority on welfare or SNAP.
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It is. They are the highest percentage
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of people that use it and they're on it.
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It's like. Yes, yes, yes.
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What's my mind like? How do you not know this like?
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White and and the hilarity is white unworking males.
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I mean, it's just white. I mean, I know it's just white
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people in general that are the majority.
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That blows me away. That blows me away.
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But yes, the majority, the majority of is.
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Yeah, yeah, crazy. Well, on that happy note, we
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should probably wrap things up since we.
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Are was that a happy note? No, I'm being completely
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sarcastic. Yeah, I was going to say.
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All right, Well, there's a good downer to leave your day, guys.
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Thanks for listening. That was my Logan sarcasm for
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you. Yeah, yes, again.
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1:05:36
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