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The Kenny Report | 12 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on The
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report. Tonight, small business fights back against big government.
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  Speaker 2: I'll speak with one of the small business people behind
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  Speaker 2: a campaign against the Albanese government. The alleged link between
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  Speaker 2: Australia and that 9-11-style terrorist plot against Israel. Why aren't
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  Speaker 2: our governments doing more to tackle Islamist extremism? Shadow Home
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Jonathan Dunham joins me. And what about Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's recognition of the non-existent state of Palestine? Didn't he
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  Speaker 2: tell us he'd won conditions, including elections? Well, the elections
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  Speaker 2: have been delayed yet again. Former Liberal Deputy Leader Josh
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  Speaker 2: Frydenberg creates a media frenzy that's bound to sell plenty
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  Speaker 2: of books. but it's creating distractions for Angus Taylor too.
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  Speaker 2: All that plus the fight to save Defence Heritage properties,
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  Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth in the UK, and Gemma Tognini and Caroline
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  Speaker 2: DiRusso to make sense of all of it. I've said
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  Speaker 2: it for years and I've screamed it for the past
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  Speaker 2: three years and even after all the anti-Semitic attacks we've
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  Speaker 2: seen and all the hateful street protests and threatening chants
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  Speaker 2: and unbelievably even after the terror atrocity of Bondi Beach,
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  Speaker 2: our governments are not doing enough to tackle Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: In this fatal combination of jihad denialism, political deference to
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  Speaker 2: Muslim communities and moral cowardice, the Albanese government is imperiling
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  Speaker 2: this nation with its weakness. Now we learn that the
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  Speaker 2: alleged jihadist terrorist pilot who tried to hijack the Air
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  Speaker 2: Dubai flight into Israel last month with the aim of
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  Speaker 2: crashing it into a target in Israel, killing all on
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  Speaker 2: board and more on the ground in a 9-11-style atrocity, well,
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  Speaker 2: now there are claims he was radicalised in Australia. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: Haman al-Hamani's alleged plot was foiled by another brave pilot who,
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  Speaker 2: and quick-thinking passengers. But authorities in the United Arab Emirates
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  Speaker 2: allege al-Hammami has confessed that he turned to Islamist extremism
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  Speaker 2: while in Melbourne as an international student when he worshipped
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  Speaker 2: at the Melbourne Centre run by Sameer Mohtadi, also known
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  Speaker 2: as Abu Hamza. Here is Mohtadi on social media.
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  Speaker 3: We don't believe in a state called Israel. And I
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  Speaker 3: swear by God, the Almighty, it's just a matter of
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  Speaker 3: time before Palestine will only have one state, only one state,
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  Speaker 3: the state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: I've always said and I've always.
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  Speaker 3: Believed that these Zionists are not normal. They're blood-sucking human beings.
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  Speaker 2: They're scavengers.
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  Speaker 3: They're not humans, I swear by Allah.
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  Speaker 2: He is the Imam of Melbourne's My Centre organisation, which
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  Speaker 2: has purchased land in the northern suburbs for a major campus.
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  Speaker 2: And Motadi is asking his flock for donations.
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  Speaker 4: And you, my beloved brothers and respected sisters, we're giving
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  Speaker 4: you an opportunity to invest for your hereafter and this world,
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  Speaker 4: bi-idhnillahi azzawajal. Recognising the importance of a school, and as
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  Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, the greatest project that any organisation
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  Speaker 4: can establish is a school, especially in this day and age,
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  Speaker 4: where our kids can grow learning about Islam and being
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  Speaker 4: good Muslim Australians and being beneficial bi-ifni-Allahi azzawajal.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian Federal Police are reportedly now investigating any links
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  Speaker 2: between the fly-to-by pilot Al-Humani and the Melbourne congregation. Matadi
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  Speaker 2: today reacted to the revelations.
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  Speaker 3: You find those who are righteous, they've always been attacked, abused, accused, killed, imprisoned.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the way it is.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to fast from talking because there are circumstances,
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  Speaker 3: my beloved brothers and respected sisters, regardless how much you explain.
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  Speaker 5: Yourself to people, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: They're fixated with their ideas and that's it.
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  Speaker 2: You can't change them.
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  Speaker 3: So the best thing sometimes is not to say anything.
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  Speaker 2: These developments go to the need to tackle Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: in our country. So often our leaders, our authorities, our
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  Speaker 2: media and others in public debate prefer jihad denialism. They
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  Speaker 2: think if they ignore the problem, it'll go away. They
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  Speaker 2: talk about so-called Islamophobia more than Islamist extremism. Calls for
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  Speaker 2: more action were made almost daily after the October the
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  Speaker 2: 7th attack in Israel, which triggered hateful celebrations and threatening
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  Speaker 2: protests in Sydney. and the anti-Israeli and Jew hatred spread,
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  Speaker 2: of course, incessantly afterwards. Yet our governments have done far
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  Speaker 2: too little. Anthony Albanese is loathe to even mention the
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  Speaker 2: words Islamist extremism. Instead, governments attack the symptoms rather than
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  Speaker 2: the causes. Albanese providing more money for security around Jewish
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  Speaker 2: institutions and the New South Wales government announcing a new
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  Speaker 2: police squad, the Armed Response Command, to tackle incidents involving
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  Speaker 2: armed offenders. This is all well and good. More security, tragically,
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  Speaker 2: is needed. But we have no idea where Islamist extremists
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  Speaker 2: will strike next. We need leaders prepared to address the
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  Speaker 2: cause of the threat, and that is Islamist extremism. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: the federal government brings back the families of Islamic State
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  Speaker 2: terrorists and provides 3,000 visas for people from Gaza without
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  Speaker 2: adequate security checks. Federal Parliament today reflected on the third
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of the October 7th attacks in southern Israel, and
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister had this to say.
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  Speaker 6: We stand against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms
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  Speaker 6: because it goes against who we are. We stand against
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  Speaker 6: the Islamic extremists of Hamas, which must disarm and can
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  Speaker 6: play no role in Palestine's future. Australia continues to push
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  Speaker 6: for the implementation of the Gaza peace plan to end
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  Speaker 6: the conflict after such terrible suffering and loss of civilian life.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have more to say about Albanese's disastrous Gaza intervention
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  Speaker 2: in just a moment, but the opposition leader showed a
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  Speaker 2: better understanding of the challenge for our country.
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  Speaker 7: We must remember the facts and fight for the truth.
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  Speaker 7: Because even today, there are those who downplay, deny and
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  Speaker 7: even defend Hamas's atrocities. Even today, there are those who
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  Speaker 7: seek to portray the victim, Israel, as the villain and
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  Speaker 7: portray the villain, Hamas, as the victim. Even today, there
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  Speaker 7: are those who deceitfully accuse Israel of genocide and yet
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  Speaker 7: turn a blind eye to groups and regimes with real
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  Speaker 7: genocidal intent. Such perversions of the truth and lack of
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  Speaker 7: moral clarity help to fuel anti-Semitism and and make it permissible.
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  Speaker 7: The fight against anti-Semitism is therefore a fight for the truth,
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  Speaker 7: a fight that continues on our soil too. And the
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  Speaker 7: fight for the truth is about acknowledging and combating all
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  Speaker 7: forms of anti-Semitism, especially Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no good being a jihad denialist. Today is
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  Speaker 2: the 24th anniversary of the Bali bombings. Then we had
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  Speaker 2: the Australian embassy bombing in Jakarta. We've had numerous terror
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  Speaker 2: plans foiled in Australia and others have occurred at Parramatta,
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne's Endeavour Hills, at Sydney's Lindt Cafe and, worst
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  Speaker 2: of all, last year at Bondi. The Bondi Royal Commission,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, announced it'll take more evidence in private
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  Speaker 2: next week for more information about intelligence and security leading
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  Speaker 2: up to the attack. How many more warnings do we need?
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  Speaker 2: How many more innocent lives need to be taken before
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  Speaker 2: our governments take this insidious threat more seriously? This lack
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  Speaker 2: of resolve against Islamist extremism is far too widespread in
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  Speaker 2: all Western liberal democracies, where there's been an unspeakably dangerous,
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  Speaker 2: idiotic and paradoxical alliance struck between leftist radicals and the
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremists who use the Palestinian cause as their cover
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  Speaker 2: and propaganda tool. This gives us the unimaginable spectacle of
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  Speaker 2: self-styled young progressives at our universities aligning themselves with the
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  Speaker 2: violent anti-women, anti-gay, anti-music, anti-Enlightenment and anti-West views of Islamist
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  Speaker 2: extremist groups. As I showed last week, A Sydney pro-Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: group is campaigning for groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad
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  Speaker 2: and even Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to be taken
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  Speaker 2: off the terrorist listings. In other words, made legal. These
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  Speaker 2: are banned terrorist groups and it's supposed to be against
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  Speaker 2: the law to support them, yet we have people campaigning
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  Speaker 2: to have them legalised. Where are our governments? Where are
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  Speaker 2: our police? Why does this go unopposed, unaddressed and largely unreported?
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  Speaker 2: Most of this activism is based on lies propagated by
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  Speaker 2: the Islamist extremists that are then amplified by the United
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  Speaker 2: Nations and the broader political left. Late last week, the
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  Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Navi Pillay, whose claim
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  Speaker 2: to fame has been working with the United Nations to
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  Speaker 2: fit up Israel with the obscene and absurd claim of genocide.
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  Speaker 8: The Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security
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  Speaker 8: forces have the genocidal intent to destroy in whole or
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  Speaker 8: in part the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
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  Speaker 2: We wonder why Islamist extremism is on the march, slaughtering
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  Speaker 2: thousands in Nigeria, attacking Israel on numerous fronts and terrorising
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  Speaker 2: Western countries when the UN indulges this sinister game of
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  Speaker 2: Israel-hating terrorism. and Muslim victimhood. The reality is reflected in
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  Speaker 2: this Wall Street Journal editorial headed, A Nobel Prize for
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  Speaker 2: Hating Israel. It slams the choice, saying the Oslo worthies
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  Speaker 2: this year have honoured an 85-year-old South African whose career
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  Speaker 2: has been marked above all by hatred for Israel and
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  Speaker 2: the Jews who support it. And the journal went on
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  Speaker 2: to note the prize honoured a career devoted to attacking
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  Speaker 2: the Jewish state and twisting international law to distort the
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  Speaker 2: meaning of genocide toward that end. This weaponisation of the
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  Speaker 2: genocide claim is something that flies in the face of
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  Speaker 2: the facts, as we heard here last week from British
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  Speaker 2: human rights lawyer Natasha Hausdorff.
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  Speaker 9: Israel's approach to armed conflict is second to none in
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  Speaker 9: terms of preventing civilian casualties and ensuring... that it is
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  Speaker 9: striking as directly and as accurately as possible, Hamas and
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  Speaker 9: other combatant terrorists in the Gaza Strip and elsewhere.
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  Speaker 10: Here we have a term genocide that was drafted, that
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  Speaker 10: was coined in response to the Jewish experience of being
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  Speaker 10: targeted for extermination because they were Jews, not by accident,
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  Speaker 10: that this is a false charge now being inverted and
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  Speaker 10: being used against the Jewish people in Israel, it's part
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  Speaker 10: and parcel of a pattern of inversion and a pattern
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  Speaker 10: of projection. What was done to the Jews is ultimately
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  Speaker 10: what the Jews were accused of doing. So I think
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  Speaker 10: it's important to understand why that false charge of genocide
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  Speaker 10: is being levied. It is to put Israel beyond the pale,
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  Speaker 10: to shut down debate, and to essentially create a fait accompli.
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  Speaker 5: That it is an evil, rogue state. It is not
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  Speaker 5: because there is.
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  Speaker 9: An iota of truth in what is being claimed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hausdorff would be a better recipient of the Peace
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  Speaker 2: Prize if courage and truth had anything to do with it. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: an Australian human rights lawyer who's helped run the genocide
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  Speaker 2: slur through UN bodies, Chris Sidoti, joined a debate in
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne and admitted his findings didn't really meet a high
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  Speaker 2: burden of proof.
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  Speaker 11: It is reasonable grounds to believe or to conclude that
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  Speaker 11: And reasonable grounds, as Brian has rightly said in some
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  Speaker 11: of his writings, it's not a high standard. It's not
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  Speaker 11: beyond reasonable doubt. It's not the balance of probabilities, although
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  Speaker 11: it probably comes close to that, the civil standard in
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  Speaker 11: our law here.
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  Speaker 2: Look, on the one hand, this stuff should be brushed
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  Speaker 2: aside because Israel could have wiped all of Gaza out
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  Speaker 2: in a few hours if it wanted to, but instead
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  Speaker 2: has engaged in years of difficult, deadly war, losing more
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  Speaker 2: of its own people because it's taken extraordinary measures to
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  Speaker 2: avoid civilian casualties, warn civilians, help them evacuate conflict zones
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  Speaker 2: and provide food, aid and other support. It's Hamas that's
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  Speaker 2: hidden behind civilians, used them as a shield. And even still,
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  Speaker 2: while all civilian deaths, of course, are tragic, the numbers
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  Speaker 2: have been low, given three years of intense warfare in
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  Speaker 2: a dense urban population of two million people. But we
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  Speaker 2: can't scoff at this genocide claim because it helps to
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  Speaker 2: generate fear. so much hatred against Israel. So it needs
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  Speaker 2: to be tackled. The lies need to be exposed. Sadly,
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  Speaker 2: our own government has demonised Israel too. And it's even
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  Speaker 2: rewarded terrorism by recognising the non-existent state of Palestine. Remember
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's conditions for that move? The guarantees he claimed
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  Speaker 2: to have received?
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  Speaker 6: The Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed it recognises Israel's right to exist.
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  Speaker 6: That was lamentable back then, of course, referring to suicide
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  Speaker 6: bombing terrorists as martyrs. Since then, of course, the pay
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  Speaker 6: for slay payments to terrorist families have continued.
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  Speaker 2: Hamas has remained in control of parts of Gaza. And
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  Speaker 2: just over the weekend, once more, the president of the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian Authority has delayed elections. As reported here by Al Jazeera,
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  Speaker 2: President Mamdou Abbas has postponed what would have been the
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  Speaker 2: first Palestinian elections in nearly 20 years, the report said,
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  Speaker 2: with Abbas... issuing a decree to further delay voting for
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinian Legislative Council for almost another year. What a disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: This bloke will be 21 years into a three-year term
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  Speaker 2: by then. And the election date he's chosen for next
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  Speaker 2: year is 9-11.
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  Speaker 12: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has postponed legislative elections, which were
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  Speaker 12: due next month, until September 11th, 2027. He has also
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  Speaker 12: called a presidential election for the same date. Abbas blamed
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  Speaker 12: Israel and the security situation in the Palestinian territories for
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  Speaker 12: the delay.
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  Speaker 2: As you just saw, though, elections were a fundamental condition
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  Speaker 2: of Australia's recognition. None of Albanese's conditions have been met.
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  Speaker 2: He's been played for a sucker. but still he pretends
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  Speaker 2: to know what he's doing. These issues are all interlinked.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's diplomacy in the Middle East plays into our domestic security.
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  Speaker 2: And let me remind you that our current terror threat
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  Speaker 2: level is at probable. At least in Australia, unlike in
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  Speaker 2: Albanese's imaginary state of Palestine, elections can't be endlessly delayed.
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  Speaker 2: The incredible publicity push around former Liberal Deputy Leader and
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg's book is creating some waves for Angus
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  Speaker 2: Taylor and the current team. Not least is Frydenberg's floating
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  Speaker 2: of the need for GST reform, a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: gift for a Treasurer, a Labor Treasurer, who's now desperate
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  Speaker 2: for any lifeline in the economic debate. And now we hear.
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  Speaker 13: That Josh Frydenberg wants to jack up the GST as well,
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  Speaker 13: Mr Speaker.
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  Speaker 2: And that rings a bell.
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  Speaker 13: In fact, the House should be aware that in the
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  Speaker 13: Shadow Treasurer's first speech in this place, he called for
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  Speaker 13: a 20% GST. at 20% GST.
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  Speaker 14: So now the Leader of the Opposition is being stalked
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  Speaker 14: from the inside by the member for Canning. He's being
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  Speaker 14: stalked from the outside by the failed former member for Kooyong.
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  Speaker 14: We are getting on with the job of reforming the
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  Speaker 14: tax system.
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  Speaker 2: But after many hectares of newspaper coverage over the weekend
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  Speaker 2: and a 60 Minutes appearance last night ahead of tonight's
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  Speaker 2: special edition of Shari on News 24, the real impact
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  Speaker 2: of Frydenberg's media frenzy is an unspoken belief that he
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  Speaker 2: could do better than the current leadership. Have a look
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  Speaker 2: at this sneak preview from Shari tonight.
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  Speaker 15: As for my future, I will make those decisions at
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  Speaker 15: the appropriate time.
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  Speaker 5: You're being encouraged to run.
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  Speaker 15: If you were looking outside in at the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 15: you would say the more people they can get to
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  Speaker 15: run who have either got experience or perspectives that are needed,
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  Speaker 15: a good thing.
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  Speaker 16: It does feel to me like you've always had this
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  Speaker 16: sense of destiny about you, that you would end.
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  Speaker 4: Up as Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 15: They're your words, not mine.
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  Speaker 17: Do you still have those ambitions, though?
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  Speaker 16: Would you like to be Prime Minister?
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  Speaker 15: Look, I think anyone who enters the political race wants
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  Speaker 15: to rise up to the top.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, we do have a parliament full of prospective Prime
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  Speaker 2: Ministers and obviously one more outside as well. Frydenberg will
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  Speaker 2: join me here tomorrow night after his official book launch
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney tomorrow. But one weak line of attack against
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  Speaker 2: him today came from Monique Ryan, the hard-left TLMP, who
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  Speaker 2: unseated Frydenberg from the blue-ribbon Melbourne seat of Kooyong four
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  Speaker 2: years ago.
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  Speaker 18: I'm not sure what has changed since that time that
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  Speaker 18: Mr Frydenberg now thinks that the community will welcome him
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  Speaker 18: back with open arms. Clearly he has ongoing ambitions, he says,
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  Speaker 18: to be Prime Minister, but he doesn't speak much about
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  Speaker 18: Kuyong and that's the part of the world that I'm
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  Speaker 18: most focused on.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about the future of a country with an
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  Speaker 2: energy crisis, a budget crisis, a housing crisis, a cost
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  Speaker 2: of living crisis and a crisis around social cohesion and
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremism, and the TLMP wants to know who's talking about,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the local park in Kuyong? That's one
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  Speaker 2: of the big problems with the Teals, isn't it? They
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  Speaker 2: pretend that they're in parliament to save the planet or something,
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  Speaker 2: but they behave like local mayors. Let's hope Frydenberg does
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  Speaker 2: get back into politics and also hope that he replaces
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  Speaker 2: Ryan in Kooyong, because we need big thinkers in parliament.
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  Speaker 2: not people who want to be the de facto mayor
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  Speaker 2: without any hope of actually governing. Don't forget Shari tonight
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  Speaker 2: at eight for that full Josh Frydenberg special. Let's cross
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  Speaker 2: now to Canberra and catch up with the Shadow Home
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Minister, John O'Donoghue. Thanks for joining us, Jonathan. I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. First off, let me start off with Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: really concerning revelations when it comes to that fly Dubai
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  Speaker 2: pilot and links to possible radicalisation in Melbourne. We hear
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  Speaker 2: so much about alleged hate preachers in Australia and we've
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  Speaker 2: seen hatred on our streets, celebrations of the slaughter of Israelis,
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  Speaker 2: calls for death to Jews, yet nothing seems to be
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  Speaker 2: happening in terms of leadership from our national government. What
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  Speaker 2: would a coalition government do in this regard?
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  Speaker 19: Well, I'll tell you what. Sadly, it's too late to
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  Speaker 19: wind back the clock. The road to Bondi, sadly, was
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  Speaker 19: littered with examples of government, to talk to your commentary
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  Speaker 19: earlier on, scoffing at or brushing aside all of these
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  Speaker 19: instances of anti-Semitism and Islamist extremism, and that's what paved
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  Speaker 19: the road to Bondi. That is why we got to
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  Speaker 19: where we did, because words went unchecked. They led to actions.
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  Speaker 19: Those actions are the worst possible. event we've seen of
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  Speaker 19: that nature in our country's history.
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  Speaker 2: What will we do differently? Well, there are the laws there.
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  Speaker 19: There are the laws, of course, that we passed at
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  Speaker 19: the beginning of this year that need to be applied.
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  Speaker 19: And when you see instances of these sorts of extremist
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  Speaker 19: utterances of promoting hatred against another group of people because
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  Speaker 19: of their religion or their ethno-national origin, like the Jewish community, then,
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  Speaker 19: of course, we need to take action. And so when
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  Speaker 19: you've got a government that not only turns a blind
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  Speaker 19: eye but in some respects even facilitates this by funding
• 22:07
  Speaker 19: certain groups and clothing it up as multiculturalism, There is
• 22:11
  Speaker 19: no excuse. So this is the kind of stuff we
• 22:13
  Speaker 19: need to draw a line under and ensure we actually do,
• 22:16
  Speaker 19: while we've got this Royal Commission on foot, never venture
• 22:19
  Speaker 19: down this path ever again.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. There have been some funding decisions that have funded,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: for instance, a Muslim filmmaking company that had done a
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: documentary that gave voice to the Taliban's bile against countries
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: like America and the like. And a lot of these questionable...
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: hate preachers while there's been funding going to some of
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: their congregations or their mosques. But what's really struck me
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: is the lack of national leadership. To me, from moments
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: after October the 7th, certainly from the day after when
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: we saw celebrations on the streets of Lakemba, I was
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: looking to see a prime minister and a home affairs
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: minister go out to some of the Muslim communities in
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Australia to stand side by side with them, not blame them,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: but to talk about how extremism is counterproductive to the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: whole country and how our governments and our law enforcement
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: agencies and our intelligence and security agencies would work hand
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: in glove with Muslim leaders to root out extremism. We've
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: seen none of that from Albanese, even after three years
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and even after Bondi. Yeah, this is the problem with
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the government.
• 23:31
  Speaker 19: There is no nuance to this sort of approach here.
• 23:35
  Speaker 19: They can actually go out, as you say, and work
• 23:38
  Speaker 19: with the Muslim community, and because that is the best
• 23:41
  Speaker 19: way to get in and understand where extremism is occurring,
• 23:45
  Speaker 19: when you have those relationships. But they haven't done that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 19: They've embraced it in all its forms and allowed these
• 23:52
  Speaker 19: bad elements of it, the extremist elements of it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: To go unchecked. And so.
• 23:57
  Speaker 19: We sort of, in that sense, are turning a blind eye.
• 24:00
  Speaker 19: And to do that is to let down those we've
• 24:03
  Speaker 19: already let down. And that is, again, what led us
• 24:06
  Speaker 19: to where we're at. So we do lack national leadership
• 24:09
  Speaker 19: when it comes to tackling Islamist extremism, and anyone... Anyone
• 24:14
  Speaker 19: who goes even close to calling this out is shamed
• 24:18
  Speaker 19: by the left of our media. You are called out
• 24:22
  Speaker 19: for being a racist, a bigot, a hater, yet those
• 24:26
  Speaker 19: people who do that very thing are the ones who
• 24:28
  Speaker 19: are facilitating this extreme hate from a group of people
• 24:32
  Speaker 19: in our country who do not belong here against people
• 24:34
  Speaker 19: who have been oppressed for centuries, millennia, across the world.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just a commentator. I'm just an opinionator, albeit
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: one with a high-level background in these issues. But for
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: many years now, for three years since October 7th and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: certainly since long before Bondi, I was saying that this
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: federal government is imperiling the nation with its weakness on
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: these issues. Is that the Coalition's position? Do you believe
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that the Albanese government's weakness on these issues, on tackling
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Islamist extremism, is imperiling the nation.
• 25:11
  Speaker 19: Without question, because we haven't changed course, Chris. You know,
• 25:14
  Speaker 19: the government were dragged kicking and screaming to have a
• 25:17
  Speaker 19: Royal Commission into what caused Bondi to happen. It's patently obvious.
• 25:21
  Speaker 19: You've called it out. I mean, I know you say
• 25:23
  Speaker 19: you're just a commentator, but over time you have revealed
• 25:26
  Speaker 19: to your viewers exactly what the cause was here. Now,
• 25:29
  Speaker 19: I think the proof of the pudding is in the eating,
• 25:32
  Speaker 19: isn't it? We'll see what recommendations this Royal Commission hands
• 25:36
  Speaker 19: down and, more importantly... given it's coming upon us very soon,
• 25:39
  Speaker 19: we'll see what the government does in response. Will there
• 25:42
  Speaker 19: be legislative enforcement? Will there be new powers? Will we
• 25:46
  Speaker 19: be cracking down on people like the ones we've been
• 25:48
  Speaker 19: talking about here in a way that protect our community,
• 25:52
  Speaker 19: that no longer imperil our nation and our social fabric?
• 25:56
  Speaker 19: I will bet my house on the fact that they
• 25:58
  Speaker 19: will not be doing that. It'll be more of the same.
• 26:00
  Speaker 19: And sadly, we are then bound, God forbid, to repeat history.
• 26:04
  Speaker 19: Hopefully nothing like we've seen, but When you don't have
• 26:07
  Speaker 19: a government that stands up and changes course, this is
• 26:10
  Speaker 19: exactly what happens.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Tragically, I fear you're right. I don't think we'll see
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: any change from them. We would have seen it by
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: now if it was coming. Thanks so much for joining us.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Jonathan Dunham there, live from Canberra. Let's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: get on to the economy now. And Labor's budget tax
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: changes and its spiralling inflation that it's helping to fuel.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And now the card surcharge hit that it's put on businesses. Well,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: that's all increasing pressure across the economy, of course. And
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: A group of entrepreneurs have started an ad campaign now.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Take a look at it.
• 26:41
  Speaker 20: More than 375,000 businesses closed last year.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: That's over 1,000 every single day.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Rent is up. Power is up. Insurance, wages, stock, all
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: are up. We're working longer hours for less.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: And now Canberra's been card surcharges. But the bank fees
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: didn't go anywhere.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: It's just one more cost we have to wear.
• 27:01
  Speaker 16: We can't take another one.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Stop being so hard on running.
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: A small business.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And to stop taxing our ambition. Now, the mastermind behind
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that ad, you saw her right at the start, is
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Belinda Russo. She's Director of Tax Invest Accounting. She joins
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: me live in the studio now. Thanks for joining us, Belinda.
• 27:19
  Speaker 20: Thank you so much for having me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Now, you could have been running an ad campaign any
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: time over the past few years or the past decade.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Why now? Why have you been tipped over the edge?
• 27:28
  Speaker 20: Well, honestly, this surcharge ban is just the nail in
• 27:31
  Speaker 20: the coffin. So we do call it a ban, but
• 27:34
  Speaker 20: it's not a ban. It's a Clayton's ban, a ban
• 27:37
  Speaker 20: you have when you're not having a ban at all.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Well, they're just shifting the surcharge, aren't they? They're shifting
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the surcharge onto small businesses. And the thing that concerns
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: me about this, you know, we might get frustrated by
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that charge and we blame the banks or whatever, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it's transparent. It's there on our receipt and whatever, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: we know that's what it is. But now you just
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: have to put up your prices and people get cranky
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: at the small businesses.
• 28:00
  Speaker 20: Absolutely. And the thing is, like, we've had this surcharge
• 28:03
  Speaker 20: actually on there for a long time. And they had
• 28:06
  Speaker 20: the consultations. The RBA went through it. The thing that
• 28:09
  Speaker 20: really got to small businesses was the fact that the
• 28:11
  Speaker 20: government came out, gaslit us and said, we've gotten rid
• 28:14
  Speaker 20: of it. Now, we've all seen the videos. We've all
• 28:16
  Speaker 20: seen the Instagram of the Prime Minister saying, here's a
• 28:19
  Speaker 20: cup of coffee. It's now cheaper.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: It's not cheaper.
• 28:22
  Speaker 20: It's not cheaper for consumers. And it's definitely not cheaper
• 28:25
  Speaker 20: for small businesses.
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: That's a problem.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Do they have any understanding of small business?
• 28:29
  Speaker 20: Honestly, I like to say that I don't think they're
• 28:32
  Speaker 20: against small business. I just think that they do not
• 28:34
  Speaker 20: understand small business. And that's a major problem. We have
• 28:37
  Speaker 20: got nearly three million small businesses in the country. One
• 28:41
  Speaker 20: million of them employ over five million people. Now, you
• 28:45
  Speaker 20: need to understand small business to be able to help
• 28:48
  Speaker 20: it grow and to be able to allow it to grow.
• 28:50
  Speaker 20: We've got a productivity problem in this country. Working with
• 28:53
  Speaker 20: small businesses will diminish that.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Now let's go to, there was a bit of a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: back down late last week from the government on this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Here's the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers.
• 29:03
  Speaker 21: So we've stepped in here to provide the necessary funding
• 29:06
  Speaker 21: to ensure that the ATO can continue to take credit
• 29:10
  Speaker 21: card payments until the end of the financial year. We
• 29:14
  Speaker 21: take very seriously the feedback that the ATO and the
• 29:18
  Speaker 21: government have received when it comes to implementing this surcharge ban.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Now, this is just a delay, right? After making sure
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that small business had to absorb the surcharge, the ATO
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: was going to say, well, we won't take credit cards
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: for your tax bills anymore. That wouldn't affect the majority...
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of small businesses, but a lot, right? A lot.
• 29:43
  Speaker 20: And small businesses are consumers as well. That's what we forget.
• 29:46
  Speaker 20: So they're consumers and then they're also having the costs themselves.
• 29:49
  Speaker 20: But this, I wouldn't even call this a band-aid. Like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 20: what are they doing?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It's just a delay, right?
• 29:55
  Speaker 20: It's just a delay and they should have consulted with
• 29:57
  Speaker 20: small businesses prior.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Now, just quickly, the Prime Minister this morning has played
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: down the level of small business insolvencies. Have a look.
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: According to ASIC data, insolvencies under this government as a
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: proportion of all companies has averaged 0.32%. The rate under
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: the Howard government was 0.5%. Average monthly new company registrations
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: are higher... under this government than any government on record.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: There you go, Belinda. The Prime Minister seems to think
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it's hunky-dory there in small business land. Tell us your
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: perception of the reality and also what meetings you're looking
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to get with our political leadership.
• 30:45
  Speaker 20: Well, firstly, I dispute those figures. I've already had one
• 30:48
  Speaker 20: video on them. So I'm just letting you know, Prime Minister,
• 30:51
  Speaker 20: you're going to have another video with me disputing those
• 30:53
  Speaker 20: figures because he's cherry-picking them. Now, the reality is small
• 30:57
  Speaker 20: businesses are struggling. I have small businesses contacting me every day,
• 31:02
  Speaker 20: hundreds of small businesses. So I actually wanted to put
• 31:04
  Speaker 20: it out there to the three major parties. Let's sit down,
• 31:08
  Speaker 20: let's chat, and I'm going to tell you what's going
• 31:10
  Speaker 20: on with small businesses. So I'm putting it out there.
• 31:12
  Speaker 20: I've got a video this afternoon and I welcome them
• 31:15
  Speaker 20: to get back to me and let's have a chat
• 31:17
  Speaker 20: about what's going on.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I would have thought the Coalition and One Nation
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: would be very quick to sit down and have a
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: meeting with you, but good luck getting a meeting with
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the Treasurer.
• 31:24
  Speaker 20: Well, my door's open. Jim, Prime Minister, let's chat.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Walk through the door. No surcharge. No surcharge. Thanks for
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: joining us, Belinda. I appreciate it. We really appreciate small business,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: backbone of the nation. It's a cliche, but because it's true.
• 31:38
  Speaker 20: Absolutely true.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Belinda Russo there. Keep an eye
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: out for those ads. We'll take a break now. On
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the other side, we're going to check in on this
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: fight to save Defence Heritage properties. The Liberal Senator leading
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the charge is Jess Collins. She joins me next. The
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Albanese Labor government is facing mounting criticism over those plans
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to sell off dozens of historic defence sites, including Victoria
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Barracks in Sydney's Paddington and also part of a Navy
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: base on Sydney Harbour. Even Midnight Oil frontman and former
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Labor Minister Peter Garrett has joined the fight, addressing a
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: rally yesterday. Here's the latest from Nine News.
• 32:20
  Speaker 22: A message from on high and below. Take down the
• 32:24
  Speaker 22: for sale sign.
• 32:25
  Speaker 23: Public land in beautiful Sydney Harbour around the foreshore should
• 32:29
  Speaker 23: be saved.
• 32:30
  Speaker 22: Peter Garrett railing against his former party as Federal Labor
• 32:33
  Speaker 22: plans to sell 67 parcels of defence land, including part
• 32:38
  Speaker 22: of HMAS Penguin.
• 32:40
  Speaker 23: To save a few pennies to flog off a bit
• 32:42
  Speaker 23: of this beautiful harbour when they should have a proper
• 32:46
  Speaker 23: and serious review of their spending.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in the Liberal Senator who's led the charge
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: on this issue. That is the Liberal Senator for New
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: South Wales, Jess Collins, joining us live from Canberra. Thanks
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: for joining us again, Jess. When you started this fight,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: one of the last people you would have expected to
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: be on side is a former Labor front man and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: former Midnight Oil front man, Peter Garrett.
• 33:11
  Speaker 24: It's pretty extraordinary, isn't it, Chris? Look, the people that
• 33:14
  Speaker 24: are coming out of the woodworks to come and support
• 33:16
  Speaker 24: the opposition... to the sale of places like Victoria Barracks Sydney,
• 33:20
  Speaker 24: like Lancer Barracks in Parramatta, Point Cook down in Victoria,
• 33:24
  Speaker 24: we can't forget that, the birthplace of the Royal Australian
• 33:27
  Speaker 24: Air Force. Everybody's coming out to say, look, please, just
• 33:31
  Speaker 24: come and engage with us on this important issue. We
• 33:34
  Speaker 24: do not want these places to be sold. We even
• 33:37
  Speaker 24: had Sir Peter Cosgrove come out last week as well
• 33:39
  Speaker 24: to say, look, you know, really, this shouldn't be happening.
• 33:43
  Speaker 24: It's a strategic blunder. And quite frankly, the comments about,
• 33:48
  Speaker 24: you know, Victoria Barracks being a wine cellar was, in
• 33:51
  Speaker 24: his words, the stupidest thing he's ever heard.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Well, let's actually go to some of that. We've got
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: some of Sir Peter Cosgrove, of course, former Governor-General, also
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: former Chief of the Defence Force. He was on radio
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: with Ben Fordham.
• 34:04
  Speaker 17: The notion that Victoria Barracks is just some wine cellar
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: I think is the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
• 34:10
  Speaker 17: It's as sacred as all those other pieces of the
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: jigsaw that go back In time immemorial, from the first
• 34:19
  Speaker 17: Australians who we understand trod Australia's earth to the settlers
• 34:26
  Speaker 17: who arrived and all that happened thereafter, it's all part
• 34:29
  Speaker 17: of the fabric.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Now, Jess, I've got to say, I'm not one of
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: those sort of people that joins every protest about every
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: development that's going on. You know, there's too much of that. But,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: you know, there are some fights that are worthwhile. And,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you know, whenever I go past Victoria Barracks, unfortunately I've
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: never been inside it, but everybody who's ever driven past
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: it can see how historic it is, how ancient it is,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: how impressive it is. And I think it's a wonderful
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: thing that there are elements of our army still based there.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the way it should stay, surely. Absolutely.
• 35:01
  Speaker 24: And it is, look, for all your viewers out there, Chris,
• 35:04
  Speaker 24: you can stop in. Every Thursday morning, there is a
• 35:07
  Speaker 24: two-hour free tour that you can go and join. If
• 35:10
  Speaker 24: you go down to the Moorpark Roadside, it is an
• 35:13
  Speaker 24: extraordinary tour. And you can go and hear all the
• 35:15
  Speaker 24: stories directly from the vets themselves, the volunteers. It is
• 35:19
  Speaker 24: a wonderful tour.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I've done it myself.
• 35:21
  Speaker 24: And I've been inside those grounds. Now, the thing about
• 35:24
  Speaker 24: a place like Victoria Barracks, Sydney, it's not just an
• 35:27
  Speaker 24: old sandstone building, as you said. It's a living memory
• 35:30
  Speaker 24: of the Anzac legacy. And we had 1,000 men line
• 35:33
  Speaker 24: up to enlist at those gates that you can see
• 35:36
  Speaker 24: on your screen right there. They lined up there in
• 35:38
  Speaker 24: World War I. And, you know, this is what the
• 35:42
  Speaker 24: government wants to flog off. It's the Anzac legacy. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 24: I'll tell you something, Chris. The Anzac legacy wasn't something
• 35:49
  Speaker 24: we heard from the RSL president today at the National
• 35:51
  Speaker 24: Press Club. The Anzac spirit, rather... wasn't something that was
• 35:55
  Speaker 24: born on the shores of Gallipoli. It was something within
• 35:58
  Speaker 24: the Australian men and women that went out to fight
• 36:00
  Speaker 24: for us that were here as well in Australia and
• 36:03
  Speaker 24: New Zealand. And a place like Victoria Barracks, Sydney, those
• 36:06
  Speaker 24: walls are the living memory of that.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you, Jess. I think most of the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: country is behind you in this fight, as is common sense,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: so we'll see where it ends up. Thanks for joining us.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Senator Jess Collins there, Liberal Senator for New South Wales.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: It's just madness. We want our government to reduce spending.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: That's what they need to do, not to flog off
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: some of our most historic... defence assets. We will take
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a break. On the other side, going across to the UK,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: where Nigel Farage has pledged to impose a five-year ban
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: on migrants being granted asylum. Don't go away. Let's head
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to the UK and catch up with News Corp Europe
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: correspondent and News 24 contributor Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, thanks for
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: joining us. Nigel Farage from Reform, the leader of Reform,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: has really hit the immigration issue again. Tell us the latest.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: He has indeed, Chris.
• 37:01
  Speaker 25: Look, he's expected to come out this morning, local time
• 37:05
  Speaker 25: in London, and declare a national security emergency. He wants
• 37:11
  Speaker 25: to basically say that the 90,000 asylum seekers on waiting lists,
• 37:17
  Speaker 25: waiting to have their claims heard, be deported immediately. He
• 37:21
  Speaker 25: also wants anyone who's been granted asylum in the last
• 37:25
  Speaker 25: five years to have their cases reviewed. So this is
• 37:29
  Speaker 25: a major policy announcement that he's set to make here, Chris,
• 37:33
  Speaker 25: in the UK, because we've had all the political party
• 37:37
  Speaker 25: conferences here in recent weeks, and reform feel like the
• 37:41
  Speaker 25: major parties, the Tories and Labor, largely looked over the
• 37:46
  Speaker 25: migration issue. And we know that there is a lot
• 37:49
  Speaker 25: of chatter here in the UK that there could be
• 37:51
  Speaker 25: an election as early as next year, although it is
• 37:54
  Speaker 25: not due until 2029.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: So the heat is really rising on this issue, Chris.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Extraordinary. Let's have a listen to Nigel Farage now.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So far this week, over 1,500 people across the English Channel,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: mostly young, undocumented males. Given the threat, direct threat we've
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: now got, of terrorism from Iran, this is, yes, I've
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: said it before, but I'll say it again now, this
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: is a national security emergency.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Sophie, is it dominating the political and media debate or
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: are there elements in the country who pretend it's not
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: an issue?
• 38:32
  Speaker 25: Look, it's not a hot topic for the new Prime Minister,
• 38:35
  Speaker 25: Andy Burnham. He's tried to really avoid this issue since
• 38:39
  Speaker 25: he came into office a couple of months ago.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: But Chris, when I'm talking to punters on.
• 38:44
  Speaker 25: The ground, when you look at the papers every day,
• 38:47
  Speaker 25: this issue is very much alive and people are very
• 38:52
  Speaker 25: concerned about it.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Britain's here feel like they are being dutted.
• 38:56
  Speaker 25: They feel like they're not getting a good go here
• 38:59
  Speaker 25: in the UK. And many of them are looking at
• 39:02
  Speaker 25: the issue of illegal migration.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: And Chris, we know those.
• 39:06
  Speaker 25: Illegal boats keep sailing in across the channel.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: So this is an issue that is not going away.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: A massive issue. Two quick ones before I let you go.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: First up, the first American Pope, Pope Leo, in for surgery, cancer.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: That's correct.
• 39:23
  Speaker 25: So the 71-year-old will be admitted to hospital. He's expected
• 39:27
  Speaker 25: to be out of action for about a week. He's
• 39:31
  Speaker 25: had an issue with a lump on his lung, so
• 39:34
  Speaker 25: he's getting that looked at. But this is the first
• 39:37
  Speaker 25: sort of health scare for the pontiff since he came into.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Office over a year ago.
• 39:42
  Speaker 25: So there are some nervous people, but hopefully he will
• 39:45
  Speaker 25: bounce back and make a good recovery, Chris.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: So I might have jumped the gun there. Concerns, fears
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: about cancer, but no diagnosis at this stage. Is that
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the situation?
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.
• 39:56
  Speaker 25: We don't know if it's cancerous at this stage, but
• 39:59
  Speaker 25: it is requiring him to have surgery.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: So whether it's benign or not, we don't know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope for the best there. And just quickly,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Megan and Harry, not expecting to share Christmas with the Royals?
• 40:12
  Speaker 25: Well, the reports here in the UK, Chris, is that
• 40:14
  Speaker 25: they will not be at Sandringham in Norfolk in December. Instead,
• 40:18
  Speaker 25: they will be returning to the US to be with
• 40:20
  Speaker 25: Meghan Markle's mother, Doria. So this will avoid that incredibly
• 40:25
  Speaker 25: awkward situation where the two brothers, William and Harry, who
• 40:28
  Speaker 25: we know don't speak, could have been in the same
• 40:32
  Speaker 25: vicinity of each other.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: So it looks like that will not be happening, Chris.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: There's only one place to spend Christmas if you have
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: the choice. That is Australia, of course. A Christmas without
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: beach cricket would be pretty sad, but I hope you
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: enjoy looking forward to a cold Christmas, Sophie. We'll catch
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you next week. Sophie Ellsworth there in London. We're going
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to take a break. On the other side, Gemma Tognini
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and Caroline Duruso, both champions at beach cricket. We'll talk
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to them about plenty, including Josh Frydenberg's media frenzy. Let's
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: get into our Monday panel with WA Liberal President and
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: News 24 contributor Caroline DiRusso joining us in Perth and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: on the desk here with me, Gemma Tognini from... GT Communications.
• 41:17
  Speaker 23: From my place.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to start with GT Communications because you
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: are a small business person.
• 41:22
  Speaker 23: I am.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And we had an interview in the program with a
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: small business group who got together. They're running ads. They're
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: angry and they're not going to take it anymore.
• 41:29
  Speaker 26: And I think it's about time. And I loved that
• 41:31
  Speaker 26: interview with Belinda.
• 41:32
  Speaker 10: I just.
• 41:33
  Speaker 26: We have a small business minister who wouldn't know a
• 41:36
  Speaker 26: small business if it slapped her upside the head. We've
• 41:39
  Speaker 26: got an economically... I can't speak, it's a Monday night.
• 41:42
  Speaker 26: We've got an economically illiterate Treasurer who every 30 seconds
• 41:46
  Speaker 26: is being forced into a backdown. And all the while,
• 41:49
  Speaker 26: they are doing untold damage to a sector that is very,
• 41:52
  Speaker 26: very important to the economy. But not only that, not
• 41:55
  Speaker 26: only the importance of the sector to the economy, the
• 41:58
  Speaker 26: just insanity of these things that they're announcing, the gaslighting
• 42:02
  Speaker 26: that goes with it. And I loved the analogy that
• 42:04
  Speaker 26: they came out today. Hey, Jim, we're not your ATM.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Like, this.
• 42:10
  Speaker 26: Yeah, I.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: There was something that happened on the weekend that struck
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: me as a bit of a metaphor for how small
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: business in particular is going in this country. Have a look.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It's out of film!
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: He's run out of film!
• 42:23
  Speaker 26: It's done!
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: Brodie Kostecki goes through to the race lead on.
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: The final lap.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: And at the other end of the story is this.
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: They got within five k's of winning this race.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Caroline? You know, it all adds up.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Everyone's chipping away and you just run out of petrol
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: on the last lap. That's how small business is doing
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: it at the moment.
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: That's exactly how it feels. And, incidentally, it's not the
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: first time that that has happened. It happened about a
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: decade ago to Jamie Winkup, and I think it was
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: Chas Mostard who then went through the run.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: I'm sure if I've got that wrong.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: We've found the reason. I just love that she knows this.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we found the petrol head.
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: I'm having my moment in the sun. Thank you very much.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Paul Murray, eat your heart out.
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: But the analogy is absolutely perfect.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: The thing is.
• 43:12
  Speaker 16: In this country, we have been a lucky country for
• 43:14
  Speaker 16: a very long time. But what this government doesn't understand
• 43:18
  Speaker 16: is that luck goes with hard work.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: It's not just dumb luck.
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: It's a lot of risk and a lot of effort
• 43:24
  Speaker 16: and a lot of time.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: It takes time to build a business. And the fact is, yes...
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Business has managed to muddle its.
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: Way through, but we're getting close to that straw breaking
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: the camel's back, Chris, and it is just one thing
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: after another and it gets to a point where people go,
• 43:43
  Speaker 16: why do I bother when the government just sees you
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: as this great big impediment because your workforce isn't unionised?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Spot on.
• 43:51
  Speaker 26: And the other part about that is one of the
• 43:54
  Speaker 26: news agencies in my neighbourhood pointed out that two things
• 43:58
  Speaker 26: that they sell, newspapers and lottery tickets... They can't adjust
• 44:01
  Speaker 26: the price. They can't pass anything on. They're getting smashed
• 44:03
  Speaker 26: on that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Of course. They just have to absorb that cost.
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: Of course.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Because they'll have to add that cost to someone else. Correct. Yeah,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: it's a shocker.
• 44:09
  Speaker 26: And if you think of the volume of them that
• 44:10
  Speaker 26: they sell and the hit that they take.
• 44:12
  Speaker 24: Yeah.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's their bread and butter. Of course it is.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: We can show some pictures of this. I haven't got
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: time to show a grab of it. But let's have
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: a look at the... Meanwhile, the Prime Minister's out doing
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: another podcast. This is what does my head in. There
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: are so many serious problems here. You know, housing crisis,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: energy crisis, cost of living crisis. And we've got the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister still out there doing these comedy podcasts, for
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: crying out loud, Gemma.
• 44:36
  Speaker 26: Look, he's like the kid who never got liked at
• 44:39
  Speaker 26: high school, and maybe that's the truth, and if that's true,
• 44:41
  Speaker 26: I have empathy for him. But he's the Prime Minister
• 44:43
  Speaker 26: of this country, and he is nothing more than DJ
• 44:47
  Speaker 26: Handsome Boy Albo, here for a good time, hopefully not
• 44:51
  Speaker 26: too much of a longer time. But truly, should he
• 44:54
  Speaker 26: not be at work, if he's got time to do this,
• 44:56
  Speaker 26: He's got time to go consult with small businesses. He's
• 44:59
  Speaker 26: got time to, I don't know, extend the Royal Commission.
• 45:02
  Speaker 26: He's got time to actually focus on the function of
• 45:05
  Speaker 26: running this nation.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: How about instead of doing that, Albo, how about instead
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: of doing that, if Albo might actually turn up at
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the Royal Commission... Yeah... and answer some questions about all
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the warnings and pleas he ignored in the lead-up to Bombay?
• 45:17
  Speaker 26: The only thing that is a given for the Albanese
• 45:19
  Speaker 26: government is that there is no accountability.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: Nothing is ever his fault.
• 45:22
  Speaker 26: It's the Alboverse... where it's always sunny in Albovania, whatever
• 45:27
  Speaker 26: you want to call it. It is always sunny. It's
• 45:29
  Speaker 26: never anyone's fault. Didn't fall off the stage. Voice loss
• 45:32
  Speaker 26: wasn't my problem. Indigenous welfare of kids in the Northern
• 45:36
  Speaker 26: Territory and in remote parts of Western Australia, that's the
• 45:39
  Speaker 26: state's problem. The guy is a farce.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Caroline, the good news, though, is we do have a
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister in waiting, an alternative Prime Minister in waiting,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: and that is Josh Frydenberg.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, that is so unfair, Chris. How could you do
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: that to me?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Madam President. Oh, my gosh. Honestly, honestly.
• 45:59
  Speaker 17: Look.
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: Look, we have a leader.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: We have a leader.
• 46:02
  Speaker 16: And I know that things are a little bit tough
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: at the moment, but, you know, things have improved. They
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: have improved slightly, but they have absolutely improved. Look, it
• 46:12
  Speaker 16: was a great shame when Josh lost his seat in 2022,
• 46:16
  Speaker 16: and there's a lot of experience there that I think
• 46:20
  Speaker 16: would be greatly welcomed back in Parliament.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: But we have a leader.
• 46:24
  Speaker 16: As Tim Wilson said today, we already have one of.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Those, but we.
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: are always on the lookout for more talent. And, I
• 46:32
  Speaker 16: don't know, I'll probably have a chat with Josh at
• 46:35
  Speaker 16: some time in the near future and see where his
• 46:37
  Speaker 16: head's at. Because, you know, you're not going to just
• 46:42
  Speaker 16: pass up that sort of experience when a party's in
• 46:45
  Speaker 16: the position that we are.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: What about her? What about Caro? What about Carol Gitche?
• 46:49
  Speaker 22: No, no.
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: Carol's going back to the private sector.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
• 46:52
  Speaker 26: Your country needs you, Caroline de Rousseau.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I've done my bit. But, Carol, as we were just discussing,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the private sector is dead, thank you. It's been killed
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: off by this government, so you might be better off
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: in Parliament.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: No, no, that's not fair.
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: I have an insolvency background. I'm good at rebuilding things.
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: So give me the private sector.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, you've got to laugh. It's gallows humour, isn't it? Now,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I'm an old mate and work colleague of Josh Frydenberg's.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I'll have him on the program tomorrow night. And don't
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: forget Shari at 8 o'clock tonight. But I... So I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: declare that, Gemma. But I want him back in Parliament.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that Angus Taylor's not doing a
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: good job. I actually think Angus Taylor has really hit
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: his strides in the last three or four weeks.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: And you can't expect the polls to turn around.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Forget the polls. You and I have had that conversation.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Think about the positions, and he's actually started a really good...
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And even today on Islamist extremism, strong, on point. Yeah.
• 47:41
  Speaker 26: Listen, and let's all declare we're all mates of Josh.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: I'm a mate of Josh.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Everybody is. Everybody loves Josh, and what's not to love?
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Great bloke.
• 47:48
  Speaker 26: Look, I think it's a really easy for.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: It's really easy for, especially.
• 47:53
  Speaker 26: The government, because they're under an enormous amount of pressure,
• 47:55
  Speaker 26: to kind of go, look over there, look over there,
• 47:56
  Speaker 26: there's a leadership... It's just smoke and mirrors, and.
• 48:01
  Speaker 26: The only person who knows if he's going to have
• 48:02
  Speaker 26: a go again is Josh and probably his wife. And
• 48:04
  Speaker 26: at the end of the day, unless and until that
• 48:06
  Speaker 26: decision is made and made public, it's all conjecture. I
• 48:08
  Speaker 26: would love to see him back. For the same reason
• 48:11
  Speaker 26: I would love to see my learned friend Caroline DeRusso
• 48:13
  Speaker 26: in the Senate, because I think she'd.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Be a weapon. Let's have a look. Here's that clip
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: again of Josh.
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: As for my future, I will make those decisions at
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: the appropriate time.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: You're being encouraged to run.
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: If you were looking outside in at the Liberal Party,
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: you would say... the more people they can get to
• 48:32
  Speaker 15: run who have either got experience or perspectives that are needed,
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: a good thing.
• 48:38
  Speaker 16: It does feel to me like you've always had this
• 48:40
  Speaker 16: sense of destiny about you, that you would end.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Up as Prime Minister.
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: They're your words, not mine.
• 48:45
  Speaker 20: Do you still have those ambitions, though?
• 48:47
  Speaker 25: Would you like to be Prime Minister?
• 48:49
  Speaker 15: Look, I think anyone who enters the political race wants
• 48:53
  Speaker 15: to rise up to the top.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Caroline, I mean, you want as many good people
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: in Parliament as possible, right? But you do want young
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: and energetic and smart people.
• 49:04
  Speaker 26: Yeah, absolutely, you do.
• 49:05
  Speaker 16: And, you know, when you've got the number of seats
• 49:08
  Speaker 16: that we have got at the moment, and obviously, hopefully
• 49:11
  Speaker 16: to win more come the next election, you want as
• 49:15
  Speaker 16: much talent and as much diversity of talent skill sets, merit,
• 49:20
  Speaker 16: personal attributes, whatever it is, you want as much of
• 49:23
  Speaker 16: that as possible in your parliament. And I don't think
• 49:26
  Speaker 16: you really want to be being too picky or too choosy, lest,
• 49:30
  Speaker 16: of course, you end up like the Labor Party, who's
• 49:32
  Speaker 16: just one union hack after another and look at the state.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Of the country. Well, of course, or if you're Monique Ryan,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: you want someone who's going to look after bin night
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: in Kooyong. That's what she wants Josh Frydenberg talking about.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Gemma and Caroline. We'll catch
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: you next week. We are over time. Thanks for watching.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Don't forget, Shari at 8 o'clock tonight. I'll see you
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night.