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Hour 2: Data Center controversy. · The Mark Simone Show

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  Speaker 1: Now, the Mark Simone Show on 710WOR. Filling in for Mark,
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  Speaker 1: here's Ken Rosado.
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  Speaker 2: So nice to be you. Be you? So nice to
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  Speaker 2: be you. Yes, it is nice to be you. How
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  Speaker 2: do you like to be me?
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  Speaker 3: Nice to be with you on a Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Mark is off today.
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  Speaker 3: And, boy, it's, man, what a night of storms we had.
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  Speaker 3: The pouring rain. Parts of New Jersey, especially underwater, I
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  Speaker 3: guess in the Brunswick's. They had a lot of water
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  Speaker 3: up the northeastern part of the state, had tons of water,
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  Speaker 3: just a lot of flooding rains, cars getting stuck. Just remember,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's an old saying that people just blow
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  Speaker 3: off all the time. Turn around, don't drown. And we
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  Speaker 3: say it all the time when there's heavy rain, but
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  Speaker 3: you just never know. If you don't know exactly how
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  Speaker 3: deep the water is, stop.
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  Speaker 2: If people are beeping behind you, let them beep. Let
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  Speaker 2: them beep. Pull over when you can. Safely turn around.
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  Speaker 2: Get off that street.
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  Speaker 3: Get away from the water. You don't know how deep
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  Speaker 3: it is. You don't know if a manhole cover is
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  Speaker 3: floated up and that if you go forward, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to get stuck. You could have your car float. All
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  Speaker 3: you need is, I think, six inches. Is it four
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  Speaker 3: or six inches? The meteorologists all know of water for
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  Speaker 3: certain vehicles to make them start to float or at
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  Speaker 3: least lose traction. So don't take the risk. And a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people did get stuck. Fortunately, no serious injuries,
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  Speaker 3: no deaths, but another bad night today.
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  Speaker 2: Not so bad.
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  Speaker 3: Partly cloudy today through Monday with temps in the basically
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  Speaker 3: the mid 80s. So it's going to be a decent weekend,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a passing storm today, but nothing like we had.
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  Speaker 2: That's the good news.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, did you hear about what just happened in terms
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  Speaker 3: of bots? We had an open AI hack apparently that
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  Speaker 3: just happened in the last few days. Apparently, a bot,
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  Speaker 3: there's a bot farm. Okay, get that? A bot farm.
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  Speaker 3: So what are bots? Bots are, it's AI. I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to explain this. I barely understand it. But AI with
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  Speaker 3: its own little set of brains, these bots go out
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  Speaker 3: and kind of act like individual people. And this bot
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  Speaker 3: farm network with 200,000 accounts on its platform as part
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  Speaker 3: of a safety team investigation team, into suspected inauthentic Chinese accounts. Apparently,
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  Speaker 3: the company found that 200 accounts out of 200,000 were
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  Speaker 3: posting things like comic strips, images, and texts about AI
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  Speaker 3: data centers in a way that could manipulate the legitimate
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  Speaker 3: debate about American AI and energy policy. So now, what
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  Speaker 3: does this mean? This means that all those data centers
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  Speaker 3: that we hear people talking against, they have been influenced.
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  Speaker 3: We've been saying this. It makes sense that China... would
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  Speaker 3: be getting involved in the American debate about data centers
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  Speaker 3: and people screaming they don't want data centers. Not in
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  Speaker 3: my backyard. It uses all the water and electricity, Ken,
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  Speaker 3: don't you understand? And that forces up electrical costs. You
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  Speaker 3: know what forces up electrical costs? In the state of
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  Speaker 3: New Jersey, where I live, when the former governor shuts
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  Speaker 3: down six major power plants all at once without first
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  Speaker 3: building new plants, even green plants, to satisfy the demand
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  Speaker 3: for electricity at a time when you're demanding that people
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  Speaker 3: switch over to electric vehicles and you have AI centers
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  Speaker 3: coming in. Now, all of a sudden, the cost of
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  Speaker 3: electricity skyrockets because in order to make up for all
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  Speaker 3: the lost electricity, you have to buy it from regional
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  Speaker 3: states and they can charge higher amounts. It's all supply
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  Speaker 3: and demand. That's the rule of supply and demand. When
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  Speaker 3: demand goes up and supply goes down, you pay more.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why the electric rates in New Jersey are
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  Speaker 3: so high. There was no reason on God's green earth
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  Speaker 3: that Governor Murphy, as I used to love to call him,
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  Speaker 3: even though he doesn't talk like that, but Governor Murphy,
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  Speaker 3: he of the bad teeth, Governor Murphy, created this problem
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  Speaker 3: by shutting down six power plants, including one that was
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  Speaker 3: a nuclear power plant that had been in existence for decades.
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  Speaker 3: It was running fine. Only one of the plants, I think,
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  Speaker 3: was a fossil fuel plant that really needed The choice
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  Speaker 3: was shut it down or spend hundreds of millions overhauling it,
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  Speaker 3: and they decided to shut it down. Okay, maybe you
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  Speaker 3: could make the argument there that that should have been
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  Speaker 3: shut down. But you don't shut down six plants because
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  Speaker 3: of your environmental cause in your mind to satisfy the
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  Speaker 3: far left and then leave people without electricity. And that's
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  Speaker 3: exactly what happened. So here you have the argument coming
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  Speaker 3: in for AI and data centers. Every time you pick
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  Speaker 3: up your damn phone, you're using data. In fact, I
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  Speaker 3: heard Mark say yesterday, we did fine without data centers. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: we had data centers all along. They were just much smaller.
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  Speaker 3: My brother works for one of the huge computer companies.
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  Speaker 2: I won't say which.
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  Speaker 3: And he talks about the fact that they've had data
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  Speaker 3: centers for decades. They've always existed. It's just that they
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  Speaker 3: were fewer. They were maybe one or two per state.
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  Speaker 3: Now they're going to be 20 or 30 per state
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  Speaker 3: because you need them.
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  Speaker 2: The demand is up.
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  Speaker 3: Once you can shout to your phone to look up
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  Speaker 3: information and you have a whole different way of approaching
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  Speaker 3: data in that the artificial intelligence is coming up with
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  Speaker 3: different ways of explaining things and doing things, you now
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  Speaker 3: need more data centers. So the very same leftists who
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  Speaker 3: love to use their phones for everything are the people
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  Speaker 3: screaming they don't want data centers. But now it is
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  Speaker 3: bled over to the right. The right is now saying
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  Speaker 3: we don't want data centers either because of.
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  Speaker 2: The cost, the cost of electricity. the cost of water.
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  Speaker 2: I get that.
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  Speaker 3: But it didn't have to be that way if you
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  Speaker 3: didn't have liberals in charge shutting down electric plants, etc.
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  Speaker 3: And now that you have data centers, as Mark has
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  Speaker 3: also been talking about, that are suggesting coming online using
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  Speaker 3: very small, what they call micro nuclear plants, much safer,
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  Speaker 3: smaller nuclear reactors that would be controlled by AI so
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  Speaker 3: they could be monitored in the minutiae of their outputs
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  Speaker 3: twenty four seven without ever having you know a worker
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  Speaker 3: there who might not be paying attention et cetera the
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  Speaker 3: computers would always be paying attention and these would be
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  Speaker 3: much smaller they wouldn't impact two hundred miles around they
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  Speaker 3: would impact maybe ten or twenty miles around if god
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  Speaker 3: forbid there was an issue so this is what you
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  Speaker 3: have and these uh... micro nuclear reactors with power the
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  Speaker 3: data centers you have that now you have a solution
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  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to talk about it. That's the big no-no.
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  Speaker 3: But apparently now we know that there is propaganda coming
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  Speaker 3: from China.
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  Speaker 2: We know it. Now, it's not a thought. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a theory. It is a fact.
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  Speaker 3: X discovered a bot farm network with 200,000 accounts. And
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  Speaker 3: of them, 200 were carefully planted in there from China.
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  Speaker 3: And they are feeding propaganda there. to make people think
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  Speaker 3: that just AI centers, data centers are the worst thing
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  Speaker 3: in the world and you can't have them. So this
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  Speaker 3: is something that we need to be aware of. China
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  Speaker 3: does interfere and that's how they interfere with America. And
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  Speaker 3: then there was just a story the other day, fascinating
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  Speaker 3: that a swarm of 1200 AI bots went rogue. Apparently
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  Speaker 3: had this unexpected attack on the open source platform called
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  Speaker 3: Hugging Face. And apparently what happened was one of the
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  Speaker 3: bots broke out and decided to hack the account, even
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  Speaker 3: though it was told they can't do that. So that's,
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  Speaker 3: this is scary because we need, and yes, 30 seconds ago,
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  Speaker 3: I just said, we'll let AI run the nuclear power plant.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Maybe, maybe we have to have.
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  Speaker 3: Very careful rules and regs that we put in place
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  Speaker 3: because when these AI bots are able to Bypass the
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  Speaker 3: rules set up by their programmers and get out and
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  Speaker 3: hack into an account.
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  Speaker 2: That's a dangerous thing.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get to the point where AI is running
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  Speaker 3: everything in society, and we may be there already, we
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  Speaker 3: really need to have the AI programmers sit down and
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  Speaker 3: figure out a foolproof way to keep control. Because I
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  Speaker 3: just keep seeing Space Odyssey 2000. I keep hearing Roger.
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  Speaker 3: I keep hearing the robot. in control, uh, of everything and,
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  Speaker 3: and us not able to shut it down. And I
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  Speaker 3: think we need to have total control over, um, or two,
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  Speaker 3: I said 2000, didn't I? 2001, excuse me. I could
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  Speaker 3: hear all my classmates from Regis right now saying, you idiot.
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  Speaker 3: It's 2001, a space odyssey. Um, and I, I think
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  Speaker 3: we need to, we need to really get a grip
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  Speaker 3: on where we're going with this because, uh, AI obviously
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  Speaker 3: has access to the entire internet, which is more than
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  Speaker 3: any one human can have access to. And it's scary
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  Speaker 3: that AI might be able to outmaneuver us. It is
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  Speaker 3: why it's just a joy to sit in here. So
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  Speaker 3: how about this horrible story coming out of the deadly
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  Speaker 3: runway collision that happened in March at LaGuardia? between the
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  Speaker 3: fire truck and that Air Canada Express jet coming in
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  Speaker 3: for a landing.
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  Speaker 2: Now, we don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Know that this had anything to do with the collision.
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  Speaker 3: It turns out, and what am I talking about? It
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  Speaker 3: turns out there were supposed to be four air traffic
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  Speaker 3: controllers on There were only two on. The other two
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  Speaker 3: who were clocked in apparently left early. And it may
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  Speaker 3: be the case that that happens a lot. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you only have a couple more flights coming in. You say,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Joe and Frank, you guys can leave early tonight.
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  Speaker 2: We'll stick around. No worries.
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  Speaker 3: Now, before you rush to blame them, these guys and women,
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  Speaker 3: they're short-staffed. They're working super long shifts.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: They are exhausted. And for years, they've been understaffed and
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  Speaker 3: working these excruciating shifts.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Most towers, apparently, throughout the Northeast, especially, on a late weeknight,
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  Speaker 3: once you get the midnight shift, they only have two
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  Speaker 3: controllers in there.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have five, ten. They have two.
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  Speaker 3: LaGuardia normally has four, but they apparently, on slow nights,
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  Speaker 3: they'll say to two of them, all right, you guys
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  Speaker 3: can go home. We're not talking hours early. Half an
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  Speaker 3: hour early, you can go home. you know, get your
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  Speaker 3: train or whatever. Well, of course, these two guys happened
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  Speaker 3: to leave.
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  Speaker 4: On the night.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying guys, it could be two women could, could
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  Speaker 3: be a guy and a woman. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 3: they left early that night. And now the FAA is
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  Speaker 3: trying to make a big deal of it saying, you know, that's,
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  Speaker 3: that's theft of, of service or whatever. That's time card fraud.
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  Speaker 3: You can't have your buddy clock you out when you've gone.
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  Speaker 2: And I get that.
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  Speaker 3: If you were in a private company and you did
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  Speaker 3: that and you got caught, uh, You could be fired
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  Speaker 3: instantly and it is illegal.
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  Speaker 2: That's fraud.
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  Speaker 3: You're telling the company you were there working and somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Else clocked you out. Does it happen?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: The question is in the FAA among the air traffic controllers,
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  Speaker 3: how common is this?
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  Speaker 2: Is this systemic?
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  Speaker 3: And is this something that needs to be dealt with?
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  Speaker 3: Are we paying them enough? Some people will tell you
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  Speaker 3: they pay them a lot, Ken, but you're dealing with
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  Speaker 3: controllers who work 12 hour shifts in many cases. who
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  Speaker 3: are dealing with people's lives, lives on planes. Do you
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  Speaker 3: want your loved one coming in on a plane at
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  Speaker 3: the discretion, if you will, of a controller who's been
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  Speaker 3: there in front of the console 11 and a half hours,
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  Speaker 3: is exhausted, et cetera? You know, there's just a lot here.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, I know that they're training thousands more
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  Speaker 3: air traffic controllers. It takes years to train them. This
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  Speaker 3: is not something that you can get a two-week course. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you're an air traffic controller.
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  Speaker 2: It takes years.
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  Speaker 3: And many of the people who enter the program don't
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  Speaker 3: even graduate. So they're working very hard. I know that
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  Speaker 3: Secretary Duffy, Transportation Secretary, who's from New Jersey now, living
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  Speaker 3: in Jersey, right near Newark, he lives in fact, working
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  Speaker 3: very hard to get these new air traffic controllers in.
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  Speaker 3: Many of them probably won't even be in until after
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  Speaker 3: he's out of office. But he will leave behind the
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  Speaker 3: legacy of fixing a broken system. But this system has
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  Speaker 3: been rotting, breaking old computers, not enough air traffic controllers
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  Speaker 3: now for decades. And president after president, Republican and Democrat alike,
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  Speaker 3: have been ignoring it. And now we have this. So, again,
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  Speaker 3: we don't know that there was any connection between the
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  Speaker 3: two air traffic controllers who left early and that crash
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  Speaker 3: of the plane into the fire truck.
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  Speaker 2: Two died.
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  Speaker 3: Dozens had to go to the hospital. But it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: look good.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't look good when you were supposed to have people,
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  Speaker 3: people who were paid, who then left early. So the
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  Speaker 3: NTSB is saying it's not uncommon to staff a tower
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  Speaker 3: with just two air traffic controllers. So that's not something outlandish,
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  Speaker 3: but it's something that is being investigated. 710WOR, the voice
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  Speaker 3: of New York, it's Ken Rosato in for Mark. Poor
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  Speaker 3: Shelley Fabre. We now know her cause of death. She
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  Speaker 3: apparently had pneumonia. Remember, she was the lady who died
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  Speaker 3: over the weekend. She starred in the Donna Reed show.
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  Speaker 3: She was a superstar singer. For those who are saying,
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  Speaker 3: why do I know that name? I didn't hear about this. She,
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  Speaker 3: in 1962, if I say this and you're of my
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  Speaker 3: age or older, you'll know. She had the 1962 single,
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Angel.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I love you.
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  Speaker 3: Remember that song, Johnny Angel? She starred opposite Elvis Presley
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  Speaker 3: in Girl Happy and in Spin Out. She was in Clambake.
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  Speaker 3: And then later, took a little respite. And then later,
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  Speaker 3: she was in the sitcoms One Day at a Time.
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  Speaker 2: And then in Coach.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she died at 82, and we now know that
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  Speaker 3: she died of pneumonia. So, poor thing. She was also
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  Speaker 3: related to Nanette Fabre. I think that was her aunt,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm correct. But a beautiful woman and a very
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  Speaker 3: good actress, a great singer, and may she rest in peace.
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  Speaker 2: And how about this?
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  Speaker 3: There's a new study that shows that people who had
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  Speaker 3: the Shingrix shingles vaccine, I have to say that very
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  Speaker 3: slowly because I keep tripping over it. The Shingrix shingles vaccine.
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  Speaker 3: I've had that vaccine. I had it about eight years ago.
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  Speaker 3: If you had that vaccine, you have a significantly lower chance,
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  Speaker 3: lower chance of developing dementia, heart disease, or stroke. Talk
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  Speaker 3: to your doctor before you run out and get something
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  Speaker 3: like this. But the study is pretty impressive. It's in
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  Speaker 3: nature medicine. It shows that if you have the Shingrix vaccine,
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  Speaker 3: You lower your chance in the long term of getting dementia,
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  Speaker 3: heart attack, stroke, or heart failure. You lower the chance
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  Speaker 3: of dementia by 20% versus if you don't have it.
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  Speaker 3: And 25% reduced risk of stroke, heart attack, blood clots,
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  Speaker 3: heart failure, even AFib over several years after you've gotten
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  Speaker 3: the vaccine. So check it out. You got to get
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  Speaker 3: two doses six months apart.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't hurt.
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  Speaker 3: You can walk into a CVS and schedule it or
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  Speaker 3: talk to your doctor. They could probably give it to you.
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  Speaker 2: It's easy.
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  Speaker 3: And most insurances, I believe, cover it. But again, don't
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  Speaker 3: just do it without talking to your doctor. Please talk
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  Speaker 3: to your doctor first. But have them check out the
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  Speaker 3: study in Nature Medicine. They apparently checked out a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people over years to get that study. They think
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  Speaker 3: it has to do with inflammation. All right. 710WOR, the
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  Speaker 3: voice of New York. Ken Rosato in on the Mark
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  Speaker 3: Simone Show. So good to be with you. We'll take
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  Speaker 3: your calls at 800-321-0710.
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  Speaker 6: 800-321-0710.
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  Speaker 3: Partly cloudy skies right through Monday. Highs low to mid 80s.
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  Speaker 3: And coming up, Mayor Mamdani's rent guidelines board has frozen
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  Speaker 3: the rent and that's causing major problems for New York's
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  Speaker 3: housing market. In the meantime, we're going to take your call,
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  Speaker 2: And to our busy phones, we go to Gary in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning. You're on the Mark Simone Show, Gary.
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  Speaker 6: This is Gary from Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I said that. I love your radio show.
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  Speaker 6: I said that first. My grandfather got letters from Russia
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  Speaker 6: The neighbor found out they were getting money from America,
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  Speaker 6: went to the police, and they raided the house and
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: found nothing and still threw her in jail for a while.
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  Speaker 5: Amazing.
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  Speaker 6: My other cousin would go to Russia with old clothes
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: she bought in the Bowery and go to Russia, visit
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: my relatives there, leave the clothes because nobody had new
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: clothes in Russia.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what you're saying, this is what communism
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: led to, right?
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: There's a famous Orthodox Jewish rabbi who got stuck in
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: Russia during World War II. And he wrote a big book,
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: his travels. He has about 30 pages on communism in
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: that book where he describes what kind of living hell
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: it was and how everybody's equal. They're all poor and starving.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: That's what communism does. Communism does not raise everybody. It
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: lowers everybody to the least common denominator.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: Well, it's very simple. You have people who run businesses
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: that work very hard to make money. Now, when you've
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: got to share everything with everybody, you have people who
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: never work. So all these good workers have to share
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: with the bad workers so they work. Stop working so
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: nobody works.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Because there's no incentive. You're absolutely right.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: This is why communism works. You know when communism works,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and I'll put it in quotes.
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  Speaker 2: The first year or two. Because it looks good.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: You could promise everything and then eventually you run out
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: of stuff. Or as Margaret Thatcher said, you run out
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: of other people's money. And at that point, you're screwed.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: But that's when socialists become communists, because you take over
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: at the end of a gun. And you tell people
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: at the end of a gun, you must follow the
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: rules this way. Gary, you're 100% right. I agree with
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you totally. And that's the problem. Unfortunately, people once again
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: fail to recognize history, and they're doomed to repeat it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Rob on Long Island, good morning. You're on the Mark
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Simone Show.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, good morning.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: I wanted to bring to attention there was a case
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: in East Palestine where the train derailment occurred in which
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: the plaintiff's attorney's according to this article, withheld critical information
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: that showed that the toxic levels of studies of the
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: soil were much higher than what the class action participants
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: were led to believe. And it was only after the
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: settlement was played out that they found out that the
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: toxic levels were far higher. And the crazy thing is
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: the attorneys withheld that information, I guess, because they felt, hey,
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: they can get a $ 600 million fee, and I guess
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: they're making $ 180, $ 200 million on the fees, and then
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: all the individuals got $ 25, 000. I think it's so wrong.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I think the Justice Department should go in there and
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: reopen that case.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: It is disgusting, and how it wasn't even talked about
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: under the previous administration. The people in Palestine, East Palestine,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: these are American citizens, and they were literally left to die. Rob,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: you're 100% right.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Hopefully under this administration, more will be done, but it's
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: one of those things where these four poor people were
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: just literally screwed over our fellow Americans.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: We go to Ralph in Manhattan. Good morning, Ralph.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Ken, do you realize when you mentioned about that vaccination,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: the shingles vax, how many people ran out as you're
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: speaking to try to try to get that, that vaccination,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: if it can put a, um, a dent in heart
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: disease and, uh, and Alzheimer's, dementia. I mean, you're talking
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: about something groundbreaking right there. But we are so jaded
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: about the vaccinations, Ken. With the COVID situation, people having
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: ramifications from those vaccines, we don't know which vaccine that
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: we can count on as legitimate and which we should
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: just forget about. You know, it's very difficult.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob, the good news is these are not mRNA vaccines.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: As you know, the Shingrix has been out for over
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: a decade now.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I've had it.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: And apparently the way it works, according to this study,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: is it has an effect on inflammation. Inflammation seems to
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: be the, you know, inflammation is good when you first
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: get hurt because inflammation allows blood cells to rush to
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: an infection and prevent the infection from spreading and to
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: heal up a cut, etc. That's when inflammation is good.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: When it goes beyond the first hour or so, then
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it's bad. because it leads to all sorts of changes
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: in our body, and that's what leads to all sorts
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: of diseases.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: They say, Ken, that inflammation is at the center of
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: just about every disorder, every malady. You're talking about something
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: that they're just unfolding right now that they should have known.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Maybe I think I'm being a little bit, I guess, presumptuous,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: but I think they should have known this far before
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: they actually found this out. Inflammation is everything with every illness.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: It's the crux of every illness, just about.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: You know, and a lot of it, Ralph, is in
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: our lymph system. And doctors will tell you they don't
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: know a whole hell of a lot about our lymph system.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Every time you have a cut, when you have a surgery,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you know, that impacts your whole lymph draining system. And
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: they don't really know what happens at that point. I mean,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: doctors will say, well, it just routes around. There are
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: all sorts of studies saying once you screw up your
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: lymphatic system, it's hard to fix it. You know what.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I think about surgery? Surgery is a strange thing because
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: you need it, but yet every time you get cut open,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: pardon me for being so blunt, but every time you
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: get cut open, you're taking a chance. That guy's not God.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: That guy doesn't know everything. I would stay out of
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: the surgical room if you possibly could, but sometimes we
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: need it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you. Ralph in Manhattan, I appreciate the call.
• 23:15
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• 23:29
  Speaker 3: It's so good to be with you on a Friday.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: You know, many liberals love to throw around the word affordability. Affordability,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: especially when it comes to home affordability. Probably the single most... high,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: if you will, the highest cost that we have. Well,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: their solution, have the government order landlords to charge a
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: fixed amount for rent. We call it New York rent control, right?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And Mayor Mamdani's own rent guidelines board voted seven to
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: one recently to freeze the rent for a million rent
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: stabilized apartments, lofts, and hotels. Now, if you're the renter,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: you think, all right, that's pretty darn good. But the
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: reality is, That makes housing availability practically non-existent because nobody's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: going to leave their rent-controlled apartment for a unit that
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: will continue to escalate in price. It also forces up
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: the price of other units throughout the city. Well, to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: talk more about this is somebody who knows a lot
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: more about it than me, economist and Manhattan Institute senior fellow,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Alison Schrager, to help us better understand.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Alison.
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  Speaker 6: Morning.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for coming back on.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: We were supposed to have Allison on a couple of
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: weeks ago, and then this little thing called the Mangione
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: trial happened, and that blew up, and we had to
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: ask Allison to come back another day. I appreciate your patience,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: so thank you for that. Why doesn't rent control actually
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: help keep prices for rent low? Because doesn't it actually
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: impact availability for everybody else?
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's part of the problem. If you live
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: in a rent-stabilized apartment, obviously you do end up with
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: lower rent because your landlord can't increase the rent despite
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: the fact we're in a rising cost environment. The problem
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: is it increases price for everyone else. Part of it is,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: as you said, people are less likely to move, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: you end up with this sort of disconnect of maybe
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: you're an older couple. At one point, you got a
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: three-bedroom apartment that was rent-stabilized. You raised your kids there.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: And now it's cheaper to stay there than to maybe
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: be moved to a one bedroom apartment now that your
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: kids are out of the house. So you end up
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: with this like couple and like a large apartment. In
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: the meantime, you have families who can't find a new apartment.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: So that ends up increasing costs for everyone. It also
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: discourages new developers with any incentive to build. I was
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: just talking to a real estate developer last night who
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: has been trying to get new projects and he can't
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: get any financing because everyone feels like this is an
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: environment that's just not going to be friendly to developers.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: You're asking landlords to lose money on all of these units,
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: which also means if they do have a market rate unit,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: they have to increase costs on that to cover the others.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: It's really just a big mess, and it's not like
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: there's any mystery. You know, politicians have been trying this
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: for years. It's been in a lot of cities, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: it consistently increases in higher prices and less availability.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Well, to reinforce what you're saying, Allison, the average monthly
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: rent in Manhattan just skyrocketed to nearly $ 6, 700 a month.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: That's up 10% from last year. Inventory dropped 8%. down
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: over 20% in Manhattan compared to the same time last year.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: That's a massive amount when you have increases in numbers
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: of people. And the rental vacancy rate is now at
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: near historic lows. And that, of course, creates fierce competition
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and bidding wars. So when a free market economy isn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: allowed to be a free market economy, it doesn't work
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: at all, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can only assume these people knew what
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: they were getting. I think the important thing with that
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: statistic is That's the rent for new units for people
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: coming in. Average New Yorkers actually pay as much lower
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: because you end up with all these have and have nots.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: There's a million rent-stabilized units. Those people are paying much less.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: But if you want to enter the New York housing market,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: you're going to pay a huge premium. So, I mean,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I think it's like there's not a lot economists agree on.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: I was actually in Aspen with a bunch of very
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: left-wing economists when it was announced that this rent freeze
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: was going to happen, and we were all horrified because
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: this is something that happens again and again, and it
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: doesn't work, and it doesn't help people. And like a
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: lot of these policies, they tend to often sort of
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: penalize lower-income people more because a lot of people who
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: have rent-stabilized units are actually middle- or high-income people.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: The best way to do this is supply and demand.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Lower the restrictions on landlords. Give the incentive to build
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: more units. Make it more affordable for developers to come
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: in and give them incentives, maybe tax breaks, etc. Am
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: I just a naive moron? Or by doing that, wouldn't
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: that increase the availability of units in the market and
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: therefore bring down the price?
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: No, it really is that simple. You know, this isn't
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: like a complex economic problem here. It really is that
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: simple in that rents are high in large part because
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: there's not enough supply. And also the other part is
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: all these regulations and distortions from all these sort of
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: price controls. So if you just got rid of a
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: lot of these distortions and then made it more economical
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: to build more housing, that would be how prices would fall.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is what we're seeing in cities like
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Austin or Houston, where it is much cheaper to rent.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: because there are these arcane restrictions on supply.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: 710WOR, the voice of New York.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Ken Rosato in on the Mark Simone Show with economist
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and Manhattan Institute senior fellow Alison Schrager with just that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: minute or so left here. I just wanted to quickly
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: tap into the Mamdani market concept. Wouldn't it be more
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: beneficial to, say, lower-income New Yorkers if the mayor came
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: up with an app and gave lower-income New Yorkers an
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: app that had coupons that you could scan at say,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the cash register of existing supermarkets, so you wouldn't have
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to create a $ 1 or $ 2 or $ 300 million infrastructure
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: of city-owned markets. If you truly wanted to distribute food
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: at a lower price to New Yorkers who can't afford it,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: wouldn't that make more sense?
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: It would make so much more sense. I mean, we
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: already have a food stamp program, and if the city
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: feels that's inadequate and there have been cuts to it,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: they can further subsidize it. I think he's also concerned
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: about about the fact that some grocery stores don't sell
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: enough healthy food. All the evidence is that that's what
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: people want to buy and that's why that's what stores stock.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: So there's also programs to try to encourage people to
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: buy healthier food there's all sorts of things we could
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: do that are a lot less expensive and better targeted
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: to the people who need help it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Just makes sense I know on the one side he's
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: saying there are food deserts areas that don't have available
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: markets then on the other side he's saying he needs
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to build the markets where there are markets to force
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: the other markets to lower their prices and But when
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: markets are working on a margin of 3%, how much
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: can they lower their prices realistically when the city is
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: only able to lower its prices by stealing tax dollars
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and subsidizing?
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Well, now he's saying he's going to give those stores
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: extra money. I mean, it is just madness. And there
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: aren't food deserts in New York. I mean, like, you're
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: in a very dense city with a lot of commercial.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, there are food deserts in America, but they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: not here.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: You might have to walk two blocks, damn it. Alison Schrager, economist,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Manhattan Institute senior fellow. We've got to have you on again.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: You were fantastic. We appreciate you taking the time. Thank
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you for having me. Thank you.
• 30:33
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  Speaker 3: So good to be with you, and we go to
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  Speaker 2: Bruce in Kings Park. Good morning to you, Bruce.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, Bruce. Hi, Ken.
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  Speaker 8: I have a quick question.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Good, sure.
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: It's a political question. If the Dems take the Senate
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: and kill a filibuster, and then they want to expand
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: the Supreme Court and make Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C.,
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: they want to make them states. Is that a law
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: that would have to go to the president's desk? Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: And if not, would the current Supreme Court have any
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: sway in that decision process?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Only if it violated the Constitution. But yeah, no, it
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: would still have to go to the president's desk for signing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: But that's a very, very good question. But yes, remember,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: the Senate only acts in a standalone capacity when approving
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: justices that the president selects. So the executive branch selects them,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: and then the Senate approves them. But other than that,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: to expand the Supreme Court, that's something that has to
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: be done collectively. And so, yes, the president would have
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to sign it. And if the president doesn't, well, then
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: you'd have to go through the whole process. You'd have
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: to have the House and all. It would be difficult
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: for them, or impossible for them, to do it on
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: their own. But don't put it past Democrats to try
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to figure out a sneaky way, Bruce. Anything else, my friend?
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  Speaker 8: No, that's it.
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• 32:21
  Speaker 3: It's Ken Rosano in on your Friday for the great
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  Speaker 3: Mark Simone, enjoying his long weekend. And by the way,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: did you hear what happened in Jerusalem? Some Italian... explorers,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: some people who are doing investigating under the church of
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: the Holy Sepulcher, for those who aren't Christian and don't
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: know what that is, that's the site that is traditionally
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: believed to be where Jesus, basically in the general area
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: where he was crucified, died, buried, and then we as
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Christians believe he rose again on the third day.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: So, apparently digging under the church, you know, we think, ah,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: maybe it was just tradition that said that this is
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: where it happened. Well, under the church, they have just
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: found a whole bunch of amazing stuff, including what looks
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: like a garden. And it basically matches everything biblical that
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: talked about the Holy Sepulchre location and the actual tomb,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: et cetera, where Jesus was laid and then three days
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: later rose. So there are all sorts of stories online.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: You could read about it. We're kind of running out
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: of time, but I just wanted to share that for
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: anybody who's interested in things like that. It is absolutely
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: fascinating that it's one thing to think that traditionally the
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: It's been accepted as the place where Jesus was crucified, died, buried.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: But in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: site was detailed, basically. And now these excavators who went
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: down under the church found what looks like everything that
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: matches the biblical accounts is actually under the Church of
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the Holy Sepulchre. This is Ken Rosado in for Mark
• 33:54
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