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Ripple Makers Ep. #8 | The Soul of This Town · Ripple Makers

• 0:09
  Charles Davis: Hello and welcome to the half season wrap up edition of Ripple Makers here on streamthecreek.com. I am Charles Davis joined by Susie Cowan. Susie, how are you doing?
• 0:20
  Susie Cowan: Fantastic.
• 0:20
  Charles Davis: Great. Great. Great. Now, this is the half season. We have talked to a ton of organizations getting you acclimated to all the people who are making waves here What in is one of the more surprising things that you've learned about Macon before we roll into a bit of a mix up of everybody that we've talked to?
• 0:39
  Susie Cowan: I think it's the variety and that we have some real solution minded people here in Macon that they see an issue and they work together, they collaborate and they look for the solutions. So we have a lot of people right here in Macon just really trying to make sure that everybody has what they need and it's it's been a beautiful thing to learn about all the people in Macon.
• 1:05
  Charles Davis: Yeah no matter whether it is the music history current or past, whether it's the museums that you can go to, the organizations that are putting on great festivals in this town, there are so many people that are making this city the way that it is and making it have the recognition that it has. So, sit back, relax, and we're gonna take you through a bit of highlight reel of the first half of this season. So stick around. We've got Justin Andrews in the building from the Otis Redding Foundation. Justin, what's going on with your brother?
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: I'm good. How are y'all?
• 1:32
  Charles Davis: You know what? We're doing good. Now I'm I'm I'm having to restrain myself, and Justin is going to be good as well because we have a history.
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: And I will try.
• 1:41
  Charles Davis: It can get foolish but we are here
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: For business. Business
• 1:44
  Charles Davis: and better things to do. So your grandmother, the the great... The queen herself, missus Elmer Redding, she took over a legacy at a very young age. Mhmm. We know that two of the things that your grandfather was passionate about was education and music Definitely.
• 1:58
  With kids. And your grandmother kept this alive and kept his dream of this alive. I know you said this was ten years Yeah. In the making of this, but how proud do you think of your your grandfather be of what you all have been able to do to keep this going?
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: If if he was here, first off, we would probably have 50 of these, one in every single state. Yeah. We we would... It it definitely would be. Of course, Macon would always been the first.
• 2:22
  Yeah. But we we would have satellite locations all over the place. Yeah. For him, you know, looking on us, I think he's just like, Jesus Christ, what is wrong with y'all?
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: Like what what is
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: what is y'all's problem? I agree, you know, we started and I said, you know, we'll do music, we'll do education and the arts and keeping kids in school, but y'all just took it to a whole another level that I did not think that this was going to get to. And you know, I I just think he would honestly just be absolutely overjoyed and would be there every single day trying to give some child some kind of advice that didn't ask for it.
• 3:01
  Charles Davis: He gonna give it anyway.
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: He's gonna give it anyway. But yeah, he would be, I I think he would be overjoyed and over the
• 3:07
  Charles Davis: moon with what we've accomplished down here. Now, Susie, this being the first show and all, we figured we will take this easy. We want you to learn all the things, but I don't think you're really gonna have a lot of difficulty with this because if I don't know anything else about Susie, is that Susie loves music. Isn't that right, Susie?
• 3:24
  Susie Cowan: That's absolutely right.
• 3:25
  Charles Davis: Okay. And if I don't know anything else about Susie, know Susie likes a type of music.
• 3:30
  Susie Cowan: That's right.
• 3:31
  Charles Davis: Don't you, Susie? Absolutely. And so to make this easy for you on the first Ripple Makers to get you introduced to things and people in this town that you already know about, but give some deeper information for the people who do not know about it. We have in the building sir Richard Brent of the Big House Museum here in Macon, Georgia. Richard, how are you doing today, boss?
• 3:49
  Speaker 4: I'm fantastic, man. Always great to be down here with you guys.
• 3:52
  Susie Cowan: Let's talk music, Richard. Uh-oh. Tell me about the Big House.
• 3:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's a big house.
• 3:58
  Susie Cowan: Lots of magic has
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: happened in the Big House. No. I mean, look. People come from all over the world to to come to Macon to see the the place where a bunch of hippies lived at. You know?
• 4:08
  And they just happened to write a bunch of great songs and be one of the most iconic rock and roll bands in the in the world. Humble break. Linda Oakley found the house for rent in early nineteen seventy. She named it the Big House because quite simply it was just the biggest house she'd ever seen. She fell in love with it.
• 4:27
  It was 6,000 square foot Tudor style mansion.
• 4:31
  Susie Cowan: Do have any idea what that rent was?
• 4:33
  Speaker 4: Well, started out as $2.20... $225 a
• 4:36
  Charles Davis: month. Jesus.
• 4:36
  Speaker 4: Wow. It's a lot of money back in. Of course, I'll tell you a funny story that not too many people know that that Duane was actually the first one in the house. And the first thing Duane did... Because the 3rd Floor was off limits.
• 4:50
  That's where the the Higgins family had their furniture and everything locked up up in there. And so Dwayne being Dwayne, he breaks in. So he furnishes the whole house with their furniture. That's fantastic. So, yeah.
• 5:04
  That's great.
• 5:06
  Charles Davis: Welcome back to the show now, Susie. Out of all the stuff that we have talked about trying to get you educated on all the things that make this great city what it is, I think we have run upon one of my favorites and one that you definitely have to know about and that is Brag Jam. And since you come from a city that does a lot of music festivals, I think you have to know about this one.
• 5:26
  Susie Cowan: I'm very excited to learn more for sure.
• 5:27
  Charles Davis: So we are greatly and and happy to have in the building El Presidente herself, Olivia Walters, president of Brag Jam in the building. How are you today?
• 5:36
  Speaker 5: I'm doing fantastic. I'm so glad to be here. Every time I get to spend some time here in the creek and with you, Charles, it's just a pleasure. So how did you
• 5:45
  Susie Cowan: get involved with Brag Jam?
• 5:46
  Speaker 5: I moved to Macon in 2012, and I came from Nashville. And I remember when I moved here, I was scared. Like, how do you make new friends? My first week of living here happened to be brag jam week. And, you know, Alex Morrison, John Roberts, they were like, you should go to brag jam.
• 6:06
  It's gonna be a ton of fun. And I went and immediately felt like, oh, this is home. I met so many amazing people that night. I let the music sort of just take over, and it united me with the rest of this community in ways I would have never imagined. And I think that's what Brag Jam does.
• 6:25
  It's more than just music. It's more than just one time night at a concert crawl. It's creating this community that sort of speaks through music. It's not just one genre. It's not just, you know, one type of person.
• 6:39
  It's a whole melting pot of the night, and I love it. You know, we have a rich music history, and Brag Jam's a part of that music history, and we have to represent it in that way. We continue to find new and unique ways to sort of create this environment in Macon to become that music city that other people are gonna hear about.
• 6:56
  Charles Davis: Susie, we've had a lot of guests here to teach you all the things about Macon, and I'm so glad that this is your first time that you're meeting the gentleman sitting to your right. The man sitting next to you changed the trajectory Wow. Of my life. The founding artistic director of Theater Macon, but here today talking about the Macon Film Festival, the one and only mister Jim Crisp. Jim, how are you?
• 7:18
  Speaker 6: I am absolutely great, Charles.
• 7:20
  Charles Davis: We're here to talk about the Macon Film Festival and we ask everybody, is there a a fun fact that you can regale the people with about the Macon Film Festival?
• 7:28
  Speaker 6: A great story about Burt Reynolds, Reynolds, way we got him, the way we got Burt Reynolds here was because the brother-in-law of a local Macon guy, lawyer, works for Warner Brothers. He made the arrangements for us to get the number two print for deliverance. And that's how we got Burt Reynolds here. He was thrilled about that and Tabitha tells me that he stepped out of the car when he got here and he said, how in the hell did you get that number two print? But it was why he came to Macon to see that print.
• 8:10
  And he asked Tabitha, how is it? And she said, it was beautiful.
• 8:14
  Charles Davis: As it should be.
• 8:15
  Speaker 6: As it should be. Yeah. So that's a neat story because I think people don't think about that. I know. So I think that's a great story.
• 8:22
  It is a great It is awesome.
• 8:24
  Susie Cowan: And only could come from Macon.
• 8:26
  Charles Davis: Yeah. Very true. Yeah. Absolutely. Macon is known if for nothing else than being a creative city.
• 8:33
  We'll say it like that. For the longest time, we've just been looked at as a music city, but that's not everything that encompasses. So you've been in Macon long enough to see like the murals and how everything...
• 8:42
  Susie Cowan: Absolutely. It was one of the reasons I was drawn to Macon is the public art and the creative spirit of Macon.
• 8:50
  Charles Davis: So we want to welcome from four seven eight creatives, Erin Hawkins and Kara Hurd to the show. With your work with four seven eight creatives, have you learned something about yourself as an artist that you did not realize until you started doing this work?
• 9:04
  Speaker 7: I think the biggest thing I've learned is I I went to school for graphic design. I have a Bachelor of Fine Arts and it was a great program, but at no time was I taught business life.
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: Mhmm.
• 9:15
  Speaker 7: And I think that's such a big hole that a lot of creatives don't have and that perpetuates the starving artist mentality. Four seventy eight Creatives has taught me to be in the room, to be at the table having these conversations and take the ownership of my business, my art, and all of that and to be more successful at it.
• 9:38
  Speaker 8: We're very good about reminding each other and cheering on each other too, is very important when you're in this work because it's very personal to put a piece out there. And so, and not sure how it's gonna be received. And so it's good to have a little reminder that, you know, we're all in this together and what we're doing is important.
• 10:01
  Charles Davis: We are known for more than just the music in this town and one of the great organizations that helps preserve and keep that art history alive in this town and current is the Macon Arts Alliance and we are joined by its executive director, Julie Good afternoon, Julie. How are you?
• 10:16
  Speaker 9: I'm doing great. How are y'all?
• 10:17
  Charles Davis: You know what? Very, very good. Well, we are so glad to have you in the building to talk about, Macon Arts Alliance. And since Susie is new here, we wanna make sure that she knows all the things about you. So Susie, I back off.
• 10:27
  You take over.
• 10:28
  Susie Cowan: What are the opportunities for the community to get involved with the Arts Alliance?
• 10:32
  Speaker 9: Well, there's always the opportunity to come on First Friday. It's free. It's open to the public. There's a different gallery show every month. We try to have an artist talk or a gallery talk to talk about it.
• 10:47
  You know, when you meet an artist and you talk to them about what inspires their work and what drives them, that's the whole thing about art that is so fantastic, right? It just brings people together. And if you think of art as the artist putting their background and their history and their ideas into whatever medium it is, whether it's a film or music or a painting or a piece of pottery, then you bring to that the patron, the audience. And they bring their story to that. So that's the great thing about art is that it can bring people together.
• 11:25
  It can bring the artist to the patron. It can bring, two different patrons with diverse backgrounds together, you know, to enjoy something together.
• 11:34
  Charles Davis: We now bring in our good buddy JR representing Macon Pickleball in the building today.
• 11:40
  Susie Cowan: I just wanna learn more about what is pickleball and why is it so dang popular.
• 11:44
  Speaker 10: Pickleball is the fastest growing sport in America, Susie, and has been for five years running. It's a tremendous physical activity, first of all. So like I said, even if you've been sedentary for a number of years like I had before I started playing, it has a very low barrier to entry. And it's one of those, similar to golf, super easy to learn, lifetime to master. Right?
• 12:09
  Charles Davis: Yeah. Yeah.
• 12:09
  Speaker 10: But even beyond the physical benefits, the social benefits of pickleball are what has really drawn me deeper into it and made it such a deep part of the fabric of my life.
• 12:22
  Charles Davis: Okay. Now I've been told that... And I know you are a very... God, I'm gonna do this. A very punny man.
• 12:29
  Give me your best pickleball pun.
• 12:30
  Speaker 10: Well, I'm kind of a big deal, Charles, and I don't know if I can come with a ready made pun, but I do relish the opportunity. I mean, we're not live on the air, so I'm less concerned about keeping it kosher.
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: But
• 12:46
  Speaker 10: I will say that everyone should stop gurking my chain about it only being for old people and get in on the pickleball action as quickly as possible. I'm I'm sorry. I was a little light on the puns, Charles.
• 13:03
  Charles Davis: I think you gave me... Yeah. You got like like five bell rings off of that, and so they were all very appropriate. No. Like I said, to see this community grow so much in the time that has been in Macon and to see it become renowned across the world as a place where people want to come and play this incredible game and it is because of of people and and and the people that are connected with Macon pickleball and what you are doing is amazing so thank you to you and everybody associated with Macon pickleball for what you all are doing.
• 13:33
  Welcome back Charles and Susie here so Susie do you ride bikes?
• 13:38
  Susie Cowan: I mean historically yes it's maybe been a little few years.
• 13:42
  Charles Davis: Bikes are normally a big part of our childhoods. So for some people not big parts of their adulthoods but in cities that we live in and the way all sorts of transportation modes are being taken advantage of right now. As much as you might not know about Macon being new, Susie, this is not a new organization but something that has made a huge difference in in our town.
• 14:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Hey. I am Kaylee Pruitt. I'm the executive director of Bike Walk Macon.
• 14:10
  Susie Cowan: Tell us more about Bike Walk Macon.
• 14:12
  Speaker 8: Okay. So Bike Walk Macon is Macon's first grassroots nonprofit that seeks to make it easier to get around Macon without a car now.
• 14:19
  Charles Davis: What what has the impact been of what Macon has been doing that has put us on a much bigger stage, for lack of a better term, as far as the work that we're doing down here for mobility and and access for people.
• 14:31
  Speaker 8: Before Bike Walk Macon started, I believe we had less than a mile of bike lane, and I believe we're up to 15 miles of bike lane. Some of it's disconnected, but one of the really big things that we're doing is connecting to the Olmeca Heritage Trail. And anything that is a bike lane is considered trail. People, really love to support the trail. Where sometimes if you're saying you're putting in a bike lane, it can be a little divisive to a driver.
• 14:55
  If you say like, we're expanding the trail, people love to support the trail. So we've really leaned into that. Our traffic calming initiatives also have been recognized throughout, taking, you know, using art to draw attention to pedestrian spaces like crosswalks, drawing attention to that. So we definitely go and we speak about that at conferences and things. People really love to hear that.
• 15:17
  It's just a creative way to keep the streets safe while adding personality to our city.
• 15:22
  Charles Davis: Now, Susie, you are a park person. Correct? You you like you like parking. Well, not parking cars. You like going to the...
• 15:29
  I don't know what people who go to the park call it. I don't know if that... That's not what I meant.
• 15:33
  Susie Cowan: Outdoor enthusiast.
• 15:34
  Charles Davis: Oh, thank you. Thank you. And out... You're an outdoor enthusiast. Have you had a chance to get out and and visit some of the parks that we have here in Macon yet?
• 15:43
  Susie Cowan: Absolutely. I have.
• 15:45
  Charles Davis: You moved here at the perfect time for a lot of things because there's a huge initiative happening around one of our most treasured parks that we have in this community. A bunch of different organizations are coming together to try and make one of our parks a national historic park. And we have a lady here who is who who is a bit connected to the park and everything, miss Lisa Lemon of the Ocmulgee Mound Association. Good morning. How are you?
• 16:10
  Speaker 11: Good morning. I'm great. Thank you for having me.
• 16:11
  Speaker 9: Can you tell us a
• 16:12
  Susie Cowan: little bit more about the park and how Ocmulgee Mounds Association first started?
• 16:17
  Speaker 11: I'd be happy to. How much time do you have? When it comes to Ocmulgee Mounds, I am obsessed. It is such a wonderful place. Ocmulgee Mounds Association, or OMA as we call it, is the official nonprofit partner of Ocmulgee Mounds.
• 16:31
  Since 1942, we've been supporting Ocmulgee Mounds programming, cultural events, community engagement, fundraising, and visitor experiences. So it's just been an amazing several years watching the park grow, watching the national attention coming to the park and getting the recognition it's long deserved. I mean it's got something for everybody. It's got, of course, the history and the cultural connections, over twelve thousand years of human habitation. It has trails, it has earthworks, swamps, it's got woodlands.
• 17:06
  It is just an amazing place and it has something for everybody.
• 17:10
  Charles Davis: Susie, another organization here that since we've been talking about people who are doing great things in this town, we have another one here that has been here for a while and has been doing great things, not just for this community, but they do a lot of things across the world. But we are welcoming in the executive director of the Macon area habitat for humanity, miss Ivy Hall is in the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: building. Welcome. You.
• 17:30
  Charles Davis: Hello, ma'am. How are you?
• 17:31
  Speaker 12: I'm doing well. How are you today?
• 17:33
  Charles Davis: You know I cannot complain always great to have great people and to talk about the things that are going on here and is there a story that you can recall with your time being with the organization that really reflects what the now Macon in Middle Georgia Habitat for Humanity is all about.
• 17:50
  Speaker 12: I think one of the the most really compelling stories... We had a longtime homeowner that recently passed away very unexpectedly. Her daughter reached out and said what do I do now? What do I do? How do I protect this home?
• 18:07
  Yeah. And how do I handle it going forward? She had helped build the house with her mom and now she is living in the house.
• 18:15
  Charles Davis: She was invested in
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: that home.
• 18:17
  Speaker 12: She was invested in that home and now it's the home where she's raising her family. And so we were able to work with her through that process. We knew her mom, we knew her as a child, but now to see her come back and we were able to help her walk through that legal process. So now the home is in her name. Beautiful.
• 18:38
  And she's able to raise her family in it. But yeah, I think it just, it means so much to know that these families are truly part of our lives as well. We like to be a part of their lives. It's to really know that they continue to look at us as a trusted resource when those times get tough, to be able to come back to us and know that we can help them walk through those next steps in life.
• 18:59
  Susie Cowan: I just want to talk a little bit about when I first got here to Macon, one of the most charming things about it has been learning more about the historic homes, The southern charm and the way Macon has worked to preserve their history has just... It it really has added so much to my experience.
• 19:18
  Charles Davis: Well, luckily enough for you today, Susie, since you're learning all these new things, we have people that take care of the history of the town with Historic Macon Foundation and their executive director, the lovely, the talented, miss Emily Hopkins is in the building. Good morning, ma'am. How are you?
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: I'm great. How are y'all? So happy to be here.
• 19:36
  Susie Cowan: Is there a fun fact you'd like to share with us about historic Macon? A fun fact
• 19:40
  Speaker 13: our historic Macon flea market will be celebrating its fiftieth anniversary Wow! This Yes so this is our biggest fundraiser of the year so that's another way you can support Historic Macon is coming to the flea market and shopping. You can also get involved as a volunteer at the flea market. Our volunteers are what drive the flea market. I think every nonprofit in America probably wishes they have a fundraiser like the flea market because it is completely volunteer driven.
• 20:08
  It's also very mission related because a big part of preservation is also conservation so being sure we're using our resources really well so rather than having furniture or home goods or things like that being thrown away, they're coming and being recycled at the flea market where people can come and buy secondhand vintage items and you can find some incredible things at the flea market. I mean 50% of my house came from the flea market
• 20:34
  Susie Cowan: it's the best. It's not your average flea market. It's not. Like, it's really nice. It is really good
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: some really cool lamps and rugs from there.
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: Yeah. And I will also say we do pick up donations. And so if you have some items you would like to donate, call us, and we will come and do a pickup at your home. You just... You can never know what you're gonna find at the flea market, and it's a great, great event.
• 20:56
  Charles Davis: Alright. Welcome back to Ripple Makers. Now, Susie, you've been in town a good little while now. Right?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 21:01
  Charles Davis: Alright. Just have a couple questions for you. Have you been down to the Bohemian den?
• 21:05
  Susie Cowan: You know I have.
• 21:06
  Charles Davis: Okay. I know you have.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: I love some rocks.
• 21:07
  Charles Davis: I know you do. I know you do. You're a fan of rocks. I do not know if you know a one mister Scott Mitchell. Do you know Scott Mitchell?
• 21:13
  Susie Cowan: I've met, but looking forward to learning so much more.
• 21:16
  Charles Davis: Well, he's sitting right next to you now, so you might as well get to know him. Scott Mitchell, good morning. How are you, buddy?
• 21:20
  Speaker 14: Good morning, Susie. Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still I'm still Scotty from the block.
• 21:27
  Charles Davis: And this is why I love Scott Mitchell. The best. Scott Mitchell is the founder of one of the best organization in this town, Macon Pride, and we are so glad to have you in here. So first first off, how are you Scott Sears? How are you, baby?
• 21:37
  Phenomenal.
• 21:38
  Susie Cowan: Yeah, Scott. What... So tell me more about the Macon Pride.
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: To learn about Macon Pride, have to kinda go back a little bit further to, like, twenty sixteen, seventeen. So many things happening around that time. There was a march from Coleman Hill to the government center. That kind of like spurred a movement. And from there, some conversations started happening.
• 21:58
  And there was a group of us in 2019 that were sitting in a coffee shop. There had been an enormous amount of trans people murdered that year and it was only April. And that week, a trans person was murdered in Atlanta while walking from the bus station. And we started talking about how close that was hitting to home. And we needed to do something.
• 22:23
  And we didn't really know what that something looked like at the time. We chose a date. We did what we knew you had to do to start a festival. We didn't know who was going to show up. We didn't know what it was going to be like.
• 22:34
  We had the smallest 10 by 10 stage that you've ever seen in your life set up in 3rd Street Park. About halfway through, it poured down rain. Our DJ was not covered. Everything was getting wet. And the DJ just broke into songs about rain.
• 22:52
  And all the people started doing line dancing in the rain. We were afraid it was gonna end the day and instead more people came after it rained than they were before. Was a sea of people. We had a thousand people show up that day.
• 23:06
  Charles Davis: Making Pride created a safe space Yeah. For people who hadn't had one Yes. And to live their lives as open and as beautifully as they need to. Okay. That is your half season wrap up.
• 23:17
  Once again, thank you to every single organization that we have talked to so far. It has been great talking to them and finding out more about them and finding out about some of their surprising music tastes. Okay, Susie. So as you know, you've been a part of these, we asked every organization to bring in a song that represents the organization and what they do for the community. Now I'm throw gonna you a bit of a curveball, don't know if you like baseball like that, but I need you to pick a song that encapsulates kinda how you have felt about learning about all of these great organizations in town?
• 23:50
  A song that kinda can encapsulate what you're feeling about.
• 23:53
  Susie Cowan: That is not an easy question there.
• 23:54
  Charles Davis: I know it's not easy question. Went to the school of Barbara Walter's investigation, so you get the tough questions here.
• 23:59
  Susie Cowan: Alright. First instinct, Soul of This Town by Oliver Wood.
• 24:08
  Charles Davis: Cannot cannot be mad at you for that song. Can't. Because of what we just talked about.
• 24:16
  Susie Cowan: That's right.
• 24:16
  Charles Davis: You have to have organizations like this to make the soul of a town and when you don't have that, you have exactly what Oliver Wood talks about in that song. It's just bricks and stones
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Mhmm.
• 24:31
  Charles Davis: Skin and bones is all you're left with. Dog on it. Dog on it. That was a good answer.
• 24:38
  Susie Cowan: I'll try.
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: When you come back home, boy, you're gonna be so surprised.
• 25:08
  Charles Davis: Make sure you listen to every single episode that we have of Ripple Makers on streamingcreek.com. You can check out every single organization that we talk to and there's gonna be more currently in the process of being recorded, so don't miss out on that. Susie, there's so much more for you to learn, but I'm glad you've learned so
• 25:23
  Susie Cowan: much. It's been very heartwarming. I will tell you that. Just these are the people the doers of the community and it's been a beautiful thing to learn more about and how we can help support them.
• 25:33
  Charles Davis: Yeah you have to have organizations like this in a town to make the town viable and comfortable and a place where people want to live so to all of them, thank you so very much to you. Thank you so much for listening. Go to streamthecreek.com, as I said. But stay tuned for more episodes. But right now, for Susie Cowan, I am Charles Davis.
• 25:48
  We'll see y'all next time.
• 25:49
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