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Chuck & Buck 12-23 Hour 3: Gene Steratore, Everett Fitzhugh & we're feeling confident. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: It's time for Checking Buck's weekly visit with former NFL
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Speaker 1: and I ninety near the stadiums Now with gene Sterotor.
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Speaker 1: Here's Checking Buck.
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Speaker 2: Ah. Well, this is the time, and unfortunately or fortunately
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Speaker 2: for us, we get this in before Christmas starts around here.
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Speaker 2: So happy happy holidays. Merry Christmas, Jane. How you doing in?
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Speaker 3: Happy holidays? Bucky? And I'm doing pretty well, guys. How
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Speaker 3: are you doing?
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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing great. Ashley, I think is doing well.
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Speaker 2: We got a downhill stretch here on this Tuesday, and
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Speaker 2: then we get the next couple of days off, so
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Speaker 2: pretty excited about that. I'm real quick before we get
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Speaker 2: into any of the stuff, the stuff that we actually
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Speaker 2: bring you on for. I did see on your Twitter
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Speaker 2: page a little Kermit the Frog maybe looking in a mirror?
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Speaker 2: Is this cryptic? Are you? Are you pulling an old
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Speaker 2: man Rivers? Are you coming out of retirement? Is that
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Speaker 2: what I'm reading into?
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Speaker 3: You know? We had the four to twenty five game
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Speaker 3: with the Steelers and the Lions, and I'm watching Aaron
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Speaker 3: Rodgers and reminiscing a little to those days. And then
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Speaker 3: getting home last night with my lovely wife watching and
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Speaker 3: explaining to her, you know that he's really not that old,
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Speaker 3: you know, and she was kind of agreeing with me,
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Speaker 3: which was really awesome. And so I talked with my
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Speaker 3: funnel hands of social media portion of my business and
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Speaker 3: we had a nice talk and he goes, I think
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Speaker 3: I've got the right one to send out tonight. So
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Speaker 3: it was really more of a joke, Bucky. But you know,
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Speaker 3: you never know.
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Speaker 2: I never know.
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Speaker 3: You never say never, right.
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Speaker 2: I think you could pull it off. I think you could.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to. It's probably nice
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Speaker 2: sitting right about this time of year, sitting up in
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Speaker 2: a booth, you know, just having everyone, So I like, Geane,
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Speaker 2: what do you think? And you can just basically throw
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Speaker 2: your buddies under the bus, or you can you can
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Speaker 2: enlighten us to something or you and then you just
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Speaker 2: sit back down your chair, maybe Gabria, hut Coco, all
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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I think that sounds a lot
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Speaker 2: more comfy. You've earned it. Now you get to ride
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Speaker 2: off into the sunset.
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Speaker 3: You know, if if they create the segue that's like,
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Speaker 3: you know, has a heater or something and I can
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Speaker 3: zoom around without having to run, maybe I would consider that,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But at this point, I
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Speaker 3: think you're right. I do like the chair there in
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Speaker 3: the studio.
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Speaker 2: I can picture that. I mean, maybe it's something like
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Speaker 2: a souped up little rascal, you know what I mean. Like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to be in the little
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Speaker 2: tiny thing, but you know something that like looks cool
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Speaker 2: and tough, but you just like lean in a direction
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Speaker 2: and it just rolls you over that way. Or maybe
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Speaker 2: like you're hanging from that sky cam right, but you
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Speaker 2: control it and you're just like hovering over everyone, like
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Speaker 2: the Overlord.
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Speaker 3: It felt like I was on a high wire a
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Speaker 3: lot of my career, actually, you know, when you are repping.
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Speaker 3: So maybe that is opplicable, Buck, I think I like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, you know what we got to get too.
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Speaker 2: We got to get to some of these topics and obviously,
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Speaker 2: you know, we we typically will find one or two
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Speaker 2: some where along the lines. In the Seahawks game Boy,
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Speaker 2: we didn't have to look very far. Fourth down two
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Speaker 2: point conversion attempt not that. So this wasn't the final
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Speaker 2: one that ended up winning the game, but that one
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Speaker 2: that they ended up throwing it. Darnald throws it off
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Speaker 2: the helmet basically, and then it bounces forward towards the
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Speaker 2: end zone and Sharboney goes and picks it up. I mean,
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Speaker 2: typically the angles they showed us, it looked like, yes,
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Speaker 2: it probably was heading backwards. If you think if he
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Speaker 2: threw it right to the receiver, which was Sharbony, it
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Speaker 2: was the intended receiver, then it was definitely backwards. I
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Speaker 2: thought it maybe was he was going to have to
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Speaker 2: reach towards the line of scrimmag or towards the goal
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Speaker 2: line to get that ball. It wasn't a cut and
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Speaker 2: dry that it was a backwards pass. Did you think
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Speaker 2: they got that right? How could they end up making
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Speaker 2: that call? And then can you explain all of the
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Speaker 2: weird stuff that goes into it considering there's a whistle blown,
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Speaker 2: and how and the heck they come up with that?
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Speaker 2: Did they get it right?
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Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, you know, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: they did get this right. And remember too, that a
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Speaker 3: path and I think Terry mccaullay did a great job
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Speaker 3: in real time. Those are an easy place to try
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Speaker 3: to break down and explain to the public and a
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Speaker 3: quick fashion had I really give him kudos for that.
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Speaker 3: A parallel pass is also considered a backward pass. So
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Speaker 3: when we get into man that looks just like right,
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Speaker 3: you know, dead down the line by rule, that also
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Speaker 3: is a backward pass. So many layers to this. On
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Speaker 3: fourth down, on tries inside of two minutes, if it's
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Speaker 3: a fumble or rule to fumble, only the fumbler can advance.
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Speaker 3: A backward pass is different, So this is a backward pass,
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Speaker 3: so anyone can recover this or advancement in front of
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Speaker 3: where the backward pass is initiated. That was the one
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Speaker 3: one element to it, the other piece of this really
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Speaker 3: and it's the officiating place where you want to hope
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Speaker 3: that as these technological additions by replay or now can
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Speaker 3: get involved and kind of get it right. And how
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Speaker 3: does that affect the officials on the field to referee
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Speaker 3: a play like that in real time in the best
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Speaker 3: way they can understanding that there may be this other
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Speaker 3: element that can take place after the actual play is finalized.
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Speaker 3: Those are really difficult things to try to learn because
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Speaker 3: these are new innovations that have happened in the last
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Speaker 3: few years, and they've countered everything that officials, most officials,
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Speaker 3: especially old ones like me, that didn't have replay situations
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Speaker 3: like this. It's the ability in those types of plays
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Speaker 3: where your reaction on the field, or your gut reaction
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Speaker 3: is if you think, you know that's a forward pass,
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Speaker 3: bowl the whistles incomplete. Back in the old days, that's
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Speaker 3: what we did, and our kind of quote on that was,
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Speaker 3: you know what, you've got to sell the call well
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Speaker 3: in these situations quick pass fumble on a quarterback. Is
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Speaker 3: the runner down by contact before the ball comes loose?
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Speaker 3: Is it a forward or backward pass? In this scenario,
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Speaker 3: your gut may tell you, well, that feels a little forward.
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Speaker 3: But because of what we have in addition to those things, now,
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Speaker 3: you want that whistle to stay out of the play,
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Speaker 3: right Because players are coached to play through a whistle
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Speaker 3: because they can't see whether a play is down or
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Speaker 3: not they're playing through the whistle. Officials are trained to
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Speaker 3: say that whistles don't necessarily have to kill plays. If
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Speaker 3: you think it's forward progress, give them another step or two,
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Speaker 3: then blow your whistle. So there's a weird dynamic in
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Speaker 3: there where where officials don't want to blow the whistle
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Speaker 3: too quick, but players are going to play through the whistle.
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Speaker 3: And this kind of went in the other direction where
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Speaker 3: I think the official reacted a little too quickly with
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Speaker 3: his or her whistle, and then you have to go
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Speaker 3: into that other little space, which is in the immediate
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Speaker 3: continuing action after the play has been ruled over. If
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Speaker 3: something happens, then immediately after that we can put that
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Speaker 3: into the play. Even though the whistle blew or they
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Speaker 3: ruled them down, or those situations took place. All of
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Speaker 3: those elements took place at that moment. And Charboneau doesn't
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Speaker 3: look like he's diving on the football right like he
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Speaker 3: thinks it's a backward passer, and I think he casually
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Speaker 3: goes over and he kind of picks the ball up,
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Speaker 3: and quite honestly, really again in this nerdy referee world,
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Speaker 3: had he picked that football up at the half yard
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Speaker 3: line and walked into the end zone, that would not
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Speaker 3: have counted because you don't get the advancement there. So
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Speaker 3: the fact that he literally was kind of just in
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Speaker 3: the end zone and the ball just was over the
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Speaker 3: goal line when he possessed it in the immediate continuing action.
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Speaker 3: After all the reviewing and all of that, they get
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Speaker 3: that football where he possessed it, which happened to be
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Speaker 3: in the end zone in this case. So again a
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Speaker 3: lot and I know I probably was way longer than
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Speaker 3: Brad Allen was explaining it in real time, but they're
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Speaker 3: just is that many layers to that play, But at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, they got it right.
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Speaker 4: I think the interesting thing that I've been seeing though,
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Speaker 4: is not even that the Rams fans are mad that
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Speaker 4: they got it right or that it happened, but that
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Speaker 4: the rule exists in the first place. Like that's what
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Speaker 4: I've been seeing everyone complain about them, that rule is
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Speaker 4: even there in the first place.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, as to see it. And again some of
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Speaker 3: this is my age and being an old school guy.
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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the fact that we didn't have a
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Speaker 3: lot of replayed types of scenarios back then because it
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Speaker 3: was a way more uncomfortable place to be, where, look,
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Speaker 3: if your decision in real time is your decision, and
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Speaker 3: you're going to live with that decision. As uncomfortable as
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Speaker 3: that was. As I grew in my career, I realized
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Speaker 3: that that was kind of what I was addicted to
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Speaker 3: is being put in that situation. So when we watch
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Speaker 3: games and we say, yeah, there's a human condition in
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Speaker 3: all of this, but not in these scenarios, because now
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Speaker 3: we can go away from the whole action in the
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Speaker 3: game and the human reactions and what was the result
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Speaker 3: of those decisions, and we can bring technology in and
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Speaker 3: reviews in and angles in and change it. It does
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Speaker 3: feel a little different, right, But look, the stakeholders in
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Speaker 3: every level of football and a lot of other sports,
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Speaker 3: basketball as well. No, the decisions they've made are that
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Speaker 3: every play that we can get right based on the
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Speaker 3: technological advancements we have, we want to put those in
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Speaker 3: the game now. Because the standard for officiating, unfortunately is perfection,
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Speaker 3: and anything below that standard in many cases for the
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Speaker 3: general public is kind of like quite unacceptable. So where
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Speaker 3: do you go. Do you allow the officials to be
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Speaker 3: human and miss things, or do we strive for this
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Speaker 3: ultimate perfection that maybe at the expense of the flow
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Speaker 3: of the game or the game itself. And so I
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Speaker 3: can understand it, you know, from a lot of different avenues,
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Speaker 3: and you want to get it right at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day as well. So that's why, and that's
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Speaker 3: above my pay grade us and I leave that up
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Speaker 3: to those those that decide what they want to do
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Speaker 3: with the game.
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Speaker 2: You know, well, because of you, I expect perfection, and
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Speaker 2: so if others can't follow a suit, that's on them.
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Speaker 3: And even when I let you doubt, Buffy, you're going
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Speaker 3: to be tympathetic and sympathetic, I appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: You let me down perfectly, is what it did. You
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Speaker 2: perfectly let me down. Yeah, exactly, all right, man. Well,
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Speaker 2: in that game, obviously that goes down to the wire.
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Speaker 2: I mean, a crazy comeback by the Seahawks in order
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Speaker 2: to come back from down six. I mean, it's the
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Speaker 2: biggest comeback in Seahawks history. Multiple things had to go
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Speaker 2: their way, and yet the one we just talked about
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Speaker 2: was towards the end of the game. There was one
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Speaker 2: early in the game that basically is a four point
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Speaker 2: swing where the Rams get a touchdown and it gets
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Speaker 2: called back because of an algeb man downfield. The commentators
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Speaker 2: were thinking that shouldn't necessarily have been the case there
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Speaker 2: did see it look like the defensive alignment just kind
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Speaker 2: of pulled him across, like they're bumping into each other
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Speaker 2: and then he kind of pulled him beyond one yard?
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Speaker 2: Is that should that have been an elgebavan downfield? Was
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Speaker 2: it letter of the law? Yes? But shouldn't have been?
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Speaker 2: Or did they get that one right as well?
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Speaker 3: You know that that this play's got a little more
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Speaker 3: to it. I hate to sound like I'm long winded
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Speaker 3: on some of these, but these plays do have a
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Speaker 3: lot of elements to them. First and foremost, and eligible.
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Speaker 3: If you are an interior linement and eligible by your position,
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Speaker 3: and you go more than one yard beyond the line
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Speaker 3: of scrimmage without engaging directly with a defensive player that's
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Speaker 3: in front of you, you just move more than a
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Speaker 3: yard down the field at the time the ball is
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Speaker 3: released from the quarterback's hand, then it's an in eligible
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Speaker 3: player downfield. With technology, if officials throw a flag on
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Speaker 3: that play, replay then can review that play because there's
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Speaker 3: a flag on the ground, kind of an ineligible downfield
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Speaker 3: penalty hanging, and then replay will relook at it, look
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Speaker 3: at that player and say, yes, he was more than
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Speaker 3: a yard down it is a file for an eligible downfield,
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Speaker 3: or no, he wasn't pick it up. So we see
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Speaker 3: that happen a little more with this penalty, and because
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Speaker 3: of RPOs and the way the game has changed, there's
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Speaker 3: more of those scenarios happening now in the last few
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Speaker 3: years of the game. I think that's why they probably
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Speaker 3: implemented an assist there if a flag's on the ground.
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Speaker 3: But then you that other element, as you said, and
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Speaker 3: this is where it becomes a little more gray. If
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Speaker 3: an offensive lineman, let's say, in this case, I believe
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Speaker 3: it was a right guard, has a defensive player directly
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Speaker 3: in front of him, and right at the snap, he
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Speaker 3: blocks that player and drives him without disengaging four yards
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Speaker 3: down the field and never disengages in the ball leaves
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Speaker 3: a quarterback's hands, it is not an eligible player downfield
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Speaker 3: because he engaged him within a yard and maintained that
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Speaker 3: contact throughout the course of the player until the quarterback
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Speaker 3: released the ball. This one was really unique because there
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Speaker 3: was engagement, as you said, like that. Now there's this
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Speaker 3: shedding kind of right of the defensive player that I
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Speaker 3: don't know if that's where the subjectivity comes, and I
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Speaker 3: would assume more than likely from upstairs or in collaboration
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Speaker 3: with officials on the field, that was he at a
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Speaker 3: yard and thrown to two yards? Did they not seek
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Speaker 3: that engagement was enough to say that that's the reason
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Speaker 3: why he was beyond Did he'd disengage after a chip?
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Speaker 3: And yeah, there's a little shed, But then the offensive
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Speaker 3: player took himself and know they're down the field under
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Speaker 3: his own volition. Those are again some subjective elements in
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Speaker 3: that piece. And now they came out with that play.
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Speaker 3: But because of these little windows, that's why the talking
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Speaker 3: heads that look at this say I can see this
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Speaker 3: go one way, I can see this go the other way.
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Speaker 3: So then I think when we get into those spaces,
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Speaker 3: do we go back and now to this other principle
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Speaker 3: we have, Well, okay, we can't really decide definitively one
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Speaker 3: way or the other. What did they say on the field, Well,
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Speaker 3: they said he was downfield ineligible. Then let's go with
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Speaker 3: the ruling on the field. So there's a little bit
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Speaker 3: of layer in there. That was a hard play and
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Speaker 3: one I think you could debate on either end. So
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Speaker 3: it's kind of difficult for me to say black and
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Speaker 3: white yes or no. But I think that's the process
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Speaker 3: that took place there. It didn't seem like coach mctay
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Speaker 3: and I think they did do a quick little shot
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Speaker 3: of the coaches, which they usually do when there's are
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Speaker 3: controversial play because it's kind of good to see the reaction. Right,
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Speaker 3: it seemed as he kind of accepted it right, or
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Speaker 3: at least as moving to the next one for the moment.
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Speaker 3: He didn't see him as I rate as you may
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Speaker 3: expect if he thought it was egregiously missed. But there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of layers to that play as well.
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Speaker 4: But so Gene, one of the games that are the
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Speaker 4: game I think that had the wildest ending obviously was
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Speaker 4: that Detroit Steelers game and the touchdown that was negated
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Speaker 4: by an OPI and then when the ref came out
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Speaker 4: and he was like rolling on the field as a
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Speaker 4: touchdown but it doesn't count. There's a lot of people
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Speaker 4: out there being like, well that wasn't OPI. It looked
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Speaker 4: to me like it was definitely OPI. I mean he
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Speaker 4: pushed off. Yes, there was some flopping, but did they
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Speaker 4: get that whole thing right?
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Speaker 3: I thought the last OPI was a good call. I
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Speaker 3: thought Sam Brown did come out. I think he just
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Speaker 3: at the top of his route. Listen. I think that
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Speaker 3: the safety may have been Jalen Ramsey. If I recall
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Speaker 3: names correctly in this scenario, right the way that I
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Speaker 3: referee when I was a downfield official early in my career,
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Speaker 3: was it defensive backstone embellish those types of plays that
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Speaker 3: much in that situation, right, Like, it's not They're not
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Speaker 3: going to do the soccer flop a second into the play,
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Speaker 3: because I can't guarantee that if I try to flop
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Speaker 3: or embellish this, there's going to be a flag. I
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Speaker 3: got to make this play. This is the football game.
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Speaker 3: These are people's seasons happening right now. So the fact
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Speaker 3: that Ramsey did go backward in that fashion that he
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Speaker 3: did at the contact on that that tells me that
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Speaker 3: there was enough displacement there to material effect that defensive
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Speaker 3: safety in any illegal fashion to create enough separation and
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Speaker 3: a quickly time ball to get it. So I agree
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Speaker 3: with the OPI call there without a doubt. I thought
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Speaker 3: there was forward progress quite honestly. I thought Saint Brown
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Speaker 3: was driven back a little further than you would allow
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Speaker 3: someone to be driven back before he lateraled to Golf,
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Speaker 3: who then took it into the end zone. So there
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Speaker 3: was a lot of layers there. Now, look, if they
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Speaker 3: called forward progress on Saint Brown after the catch. The
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Speaker 3: irony of that play would have been that Carl Scheffers
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Speaker 3: would have then had to announce, because this was fourth down,
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Speaker 3: that their ruling on the field would have been that
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Speaker 3: Saint Brown did not make the end zone and progress
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Speaker 3: was called and they would have declined the offensive pass
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Speaker 3: interference then because the result of the play would have
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Speaker 3: been a turnover on downs, right, So then you would
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Speaker 3: have had to put two seconds back on the clock
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Speaker 3: or three the Steelers would have had to take a
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Speaker 3: knee and the game would have ended that way. But
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Speaker 3: because they ruled that that wasn't progress and the end
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Speaker 3: of the play was GoF diving into the end zone
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Speaker 3: when the clock was at zero. Now you're going to
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Speaker 3: use the offensive foul in that scenario when time expires
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Speaker 3: in a game and there is a foul by the offense,
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Speaker 3: excepting that penalty basically ends the game. And Chef kind
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Speaker 3: of did do what we used to call back in
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Speaker 3: the day, slam in the audience, right, Like if I
16:57
Speaker 3: had a few of those where your role touchdown on
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Speaker 3: the field and you come back and realize he fumbled
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Speaker 3: the ball at the half yard line. There wasn't a
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Speaker 3: clear recovery in the end zone. The home team thinks it's,
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Speaker 3: you know, it is a touchdown, and you say after review,
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Speaker 3: you know, the ruling on the field is or the
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Speaker 3: ruling on the field was touched down. The crowd cheers,
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Speaker 3: and then you bring in the dreaded word, however, and say,
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Speaker 3: but because of this, this, and this, it isn't a touchdown,
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Speaker 3: which is kind of what chef did there. So that'll
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Speaker 3: be a discussion, I'm sure with the leg on. Let's
17:31
Speaker 3: make sure we wear these things right so we don't
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Speaker 3: take people to one level of the motion and then
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Speaker 3: bring them way way down to another level of emotion
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Speaker 3: in a scenario like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a lot of crazy plays this last weekend,
17:46
Speaker 3: for sure.
17:46
Speaker 2: That's funny. You guys actually have the slam the crowd
17:50
Speaker 2: that there was an actual term for it. Yeah, that
17:53
Speaker 2: was that was a crowd. A crowd.
17:54
Speaker 3: We're fifteen years ago to Bucky. Yeah, it was a
17:57
Speaker 3: while back. Now update myself.
17:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, though. I think that they
18:01
Speaker 2: got that right either way that they call it. I mean,
18:03
Speaker 2: he catches the ball at the one and ends up
18:05
Speaker 2: lateraling it at like the six or seven. I was
18:08
Speaker 2: surprised I mean that the Steelers, as he lateraled it,
18:12
Speaker 2: were already celebrating that they had stopped him and won
18:15
Speaker 2: the game before Goff even grabbed it and dove in.
18:17
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, I think they got that right
18:19
Speaker 2: real quick, Gino, or as quick as you want to be.
18:21
Speaker 2: I don't really care about the time clock because I'm
18:23
Speaker 2: filling in here, so what are they going to do?
18:25
Speaker 2: But in just that DK Metcalf situation, I don't think
18:28
Speaker 2: there's anything as an official that you're responsible for. There
18:32
Speaker 2: there's no flag, so you can't kick him out of
18:34
Speaker 2: the game. But just overarching thoughts on that situation, I
18:38
Speaker 2: feel like fans are more in boldened now than they
18:41
Speaker 2: ever have been of saying things. And yet my personal
18:45
Speaker 2: stance as a former professional athlete is you just got
18:49
Speaker 2: to kind of wear it, you know, it's kind of
18:50
Speaker 2: part of the gig. You don't get to swing on
18:52
Speaker 2: people regardless of what they say to you.
18:56
Speaker 3: I'm with you, man, I may look at I was
18:59
Speaker 3: arrest okay, So I never really lived in that world
19:03
Speaker 3: except when we came back after the negotiations and people
19:06
Speaker 3: actually did care about the officials for that window of
19:09
Speaker 3: time when we were locked out and then came back
19:11
Speaker 3: and appreciated us. I have lived a lot of my
19:14
Speaker 3: career in those stages where there were tons of things
19:17
Speaker 3: that you would hope you'd never have to hear, and
19:20
Speaker 3: quite honestly and never think people would say to you
19:23
Speaker 3: that you just had to leave alone. And you know,
19:27
Speaker 3: that's just as you said, Bucky. You were on that stage,
19:30
Speaker 3: you realized that, And truthfully, I think what happens too is,
19:35
Speaker 3: unfortunately in our climate and culture, it's this shock me,
19:41
Speaker 3: clickbait kind of what can I say to really get
19:43
Speaker 3: someone's attention now, whether it's a tweet or whether it's
19:46
Speaker 3: a verbal thing. People used to say things when I
19:49
Speaker 3: was really young in the stands that were not great.
19:52
Speaker 3: But then you'd see a lot of people in the
19:53
Speaker 3: stands kind of look at that person like, dude, I'm
19:55
Speaker 3: here to enjoy a game. I've got my kids with
19:57
Speaker 3: me or something. Right. I think we've got a little
20:01
Speaker 3: more aggressive in those fashions, or maybe because of the
20:05
Speaker 3: toxic nature and certain things. Collectively, I hope we don't
20:09
Speaker 3: become numb to that, right, because there is a human condition.
20:14
Speaker 3: In this case, the case, you've got to hope that
20:17
Speaker 3: you know what man, you just kind of let it roll,
20:19
Speaker 3: go back to where you were, get away from it,
20:22
Speaker 3: and don't let what your gut is telling you that
20:25
Speaker 3: you know what this is what would happen if I
20:27
Speaker 3: was anywhere but here right now. But you are there
20:31
Speaker 3: right now, right So that window in that little reaction
20:35
Speaker 3: to human condition has to still kind of win as
20:38
Speaker 3: far as kind of keeping yourself composed or getting away
20:42
Speaker 3: from this toxicity which exists way too much in my
20:45
Speaker 3: humble opinion, and from an officiating window, it was difficult
20:50
Speaker 3: for me in real time. We caught that on and
20:52
Speaker 3: off camera. And now you know, I'm naturally being asked
20:55
Speaker 3: when these situations come up rather quickly, like king, you
20:58
Speaker 3: get to weigh in on this, and I really did.
21:00
Speaker 3: I mean, I talked to the producers right then. I said, look,
21:02
Speaker 3: I never saw this. I've been around thirty years. I've
21:05
Speaker 3: never seen this happen. So let me phone the NFL
21:07
Speaker 3: office and get some clarity. And then came in and
21:10
Speaker 3: at least tried to do my best to give some
21:13
Speaker 3: clarity there in real time. But they're unfortunate situations on
21:18
Speaker 3: everyone's behalf right, Like you set it up, perfect bug,
21:21
Speaker 3: We're in a professional situation. We put ourselves on this stage.
21:25
Speaker 3: The unfortunate part of the stage is we're subjected to
21:28
Speaker 3: things that would not be appropriate in my home out
21:32
Speaker 3: on the street, and me being a little younger might
21:34
Speaker 3: cause us to have a little more of a distant
21:36
Speaker 3: disagreement than maybe living in the house and me thrown
21:38
Speaker 3: it out of here. But we're in these windows and
21:41
Speaker 3: we're on these stages. This is hopefully those times where
21:45
Speaker 3: we elevate ourselves as athletes or participants and can look
21:51
Speaker 3: at it and let it go as the bs that
21:54
Speaker 3: it really is. And I always my way was doing it.
21:58
Speaker 3: I would look to see whoever was staying and next
22:00
Speaker 3: to the person who was really being you know, belligerent
22:03
Speaker 3: during a time out, and kind of look and hope
22:05
Speaker 3: it was maybe their significant other next to them, right
22:07
Speaker 3: and look at him like he really came to the
22:09
Speaker 3: game with this guy and he's acting like this, you know,
22:12
Speaker 3: or maybe something I could do from a distance to
22:15
Speaker 3: make him feel small for a second and hopefully stop it.
22:18
Speaker 3: But it was a reaction from what I understand, and
22:22
Speaker 3: we see, we saw what the punishment is an extremely
22:25
Speaker 3: punitive condition here for the team. You've got a team
22:31
Speaker 3: that still isn't I don't think a lock. You've got
22:33
Speaker 3: two huge football games that he will not participate in.
22:37
Speaker 3: I'm sure they're getting in his pocket for a good
22:39
Speaker 3: bit of change. And it's just these are parts of
22:43
Speaker 3: the games that we all love intensity, We actually almost
22:45
Speaker 3: love a little bit about it. Reactions sometimes in some
22:48
Speaker 3: of our sports in a controlled fashion, but then we
22:51
Speaker 3: go over that one little edge and then what is
22:54
Speaker 3: really entertaining to us kind of looks like, Man, I
22:57
Speaker 3: don't want to see that, you know, And I think
22:59
Speaker 3: that's kind of where we were with that whole situation,
23:01
Speaker 3: and they're unfortunate.
23:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. Is an emotional
23:06
Speaker 2: regulator doesn't work very well, and yet this financial punitive
23:11
Speaker 2: damages from it maybe will be the wake up call hopefully. Well, Jane,
23:15
Speaker 2: I've been telling everybody as they leave, Merry Christmas, but
23:18
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you I wish you a very
23:20
Speaker 2: merry Christmas? Do you and your family? Okay?
23:24
Speaker 3: Well, thanks my friend. I appreciate that. And Astley, I
23:27
Speaker 3: hope you have a wonderful one with you and yours
23:29
Speaker 3: and Chucky wherever you are in the stratosphere. Right now,
23:33
Speaker 3: we hope that you are going to enjoy another beautiful
23:37
Speaker 3: holiday season. So thank you guys so much. I love
23:40
Speaker 3: being on the show and it's that Tommy year to
23:42
Speaker 3: hug I loved ones and appreciate this thing that we
23:46
Speaker 3: get to do together, which is called life fellas.
23:48
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Speaker 5: Oh Man, love that song, doing Well, Doing Well? You
24:13
Speaker 5: got me up and dancing at eight thirty six in
24:15
Speaker 5: the morning on a Christmas Eve eve.
24:18
Speaker 2: I get that up. I oftentimes when I start to
24:21
Speaker 2: belt out a song, I get man, you sound a
24:23
Speaker 2: lot like Mariah Carey.
24:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:25
Speaker 2: Do you get that at all?
24:27
Speaker 5: No? No, no, never, I've never gotten that, but I will.
24:32
Speaker 5: I will continue to sing that song very proudly until
24:35
Speaker 5: I do.
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Speaker 2: Okay, good good on you I can see. I mean
24:40
Speaker 2: you got you got range. I'll give you that. I
24:45
Speaker 2: don't know if it's Mariah Carey range, but you do
24:47
Speaker 2: got range. Well we got ever it fits you on
24:49
Speaker 2: with this obviously voice of the crack and we get
24:51
Speaker 2: to find out what what's going on over there at
24:54
Speaker 2: Climate Pledge. And they're actually on the road right now.
24:58
Speaker 2: They did win again last night. That's two in a row.
25:02
Speaker 2: Maybe right in the ship to some degree. We do
25:04
Speaker 2: have to write this bad boy before it gets too
25:07
Speaker 2: terribly far off the rails. And yet they're right back
25:10
Speaker 2: at it. They got a back to backer tonight at
25:13
Speaker 2: LA And so what did you see last night? What
25:15
Speaker 2: did you see the last couple wins that is maybe
25:18
Speaker 2: giving you the idea that they're turning a corner.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think for me, the last two games, this
25:24
Speaker 5: team got back to its identity. You know, I go
25:27
Speaker 5: to San Jose and they couldn't afford to get into
25:32
Speaker 5: a track meet with that team. I mean, there's a
25:34
Speaker 5: lot of fast players.
25:35
Speaker 2: In San Jose.
25:36
Speaker 5: They've got a lot of young skill and you'll hear
25:38
Speaker 5: players say all the time, you know, we have to
25:40
Speaker 5: keep things simple. You know, we're a defensive game. We're
25:42
Speaker 5: a defensive team. We need to work on shutting them down.
25:47
Speaker 5: We can't afford to try and skate with them, to
25:50
Speaker 5: try and get into a track meet. I felt like
25:52
Speaker 5: in San Jose they fell into that trap a little
25:55
Speaker 5: bit early in the game. They let in a goal
25:58
Speaker 5: thirty some odd sets into the third period. But it
26:02
Speaker 5: was all about the third period comeback, and they really
26:05
Speaker 5: the response there to score two in the third in
26:08
Speaker 5: which recently the third periods have been the downfall of
26:11
Speaker 5: the Seattle Kraken if you go back to that nine
26:15
Speaker 5: and one.
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Speaker 3: Stretch, the cracking went on.
26:17
Speaker 5: They were outscored twenty to five in the third period.
26:21
Speaker 5: So they did a really good job of calming things
26:25
Speaker 5: down in San Jose, and then the same thing last night.
26:28
Speaker 3: I thought last night.
26:29
Speaker 5: In Anaheim, you know, it might not have been the
26:31
Speaker 5: most exciting game. That was a very physical game.
26:34
Speaker 3: Especially toward the end.
26:36
Speaker 5: We still don't have a word on Vince Dunn, who
26:38
Speaker 5: got hit by Ross Johnston and he was out midway
26:42
Speaker 5: through the second period. So but it was a very
26:45
Speaker 5: physical game. But once again against an Anaheim team that
26:49
Speaker 5: has a lot of young, skilled, potential superstar players. The
26:55
Speaker 5: Kraken clogged up the middle, they clogged up the neutral zone.
26:58
Speaker 5: They didn't allow the skill and speed of Anaheim to
27:02
Speaker 5: showcase in that game last night. So two very good
27:06
Speaker 5: defensive efforts, two games in which the Kraken played back
27:11
Speaker 5: to their identity, smothering some some really young and talented teams.
27:17
Speaker 5: And you're right, I mean they they righted the ship,
27:20
Speaker 5: so to speak. It's a big hole to climb out
27:22
Speaker 5: of when you're you know, seven points back. But you
27:26
Speaker 5: got to start somewhere. And they've won two in a row,
27:28
Speaker 5: and if you can make it three here tonight, you'll
27:31
Speaker 5: feel pretty good going into the break.
27:33
Speaker 4: Okay, so three in a row would mean they have
27:35
Speaker 4: to win back to back games.
27:39
Speaker 2: That's a thing to do.
27:43
Speaker 5: It's been hard. It's been hard the last couple of years.
27:46
Speaker 5: Coming into said, I don't even want to say the
27:49
Speaker 5: stat Yeah, I'm not going to say it.
27:52
Speaker 2: It's been a while.
27:53
Speaker 5: It's been a while since the krack and have one
27:56
Speaker 5: game two of a back to back. But the same
28:00
Speaker 5: grace is that the La Kings, also last night, are
28:03
Speaker 5: on game two of a back to back. They lost
28:07
Speaker 5: to Columbus yesterday, and these games have a funny way
28:11
Speaker 5: of playing out. You know, if you're if you're the road,
28:14
Speaker 5: if you're the road team in the game before the
28:18
Speaker 5: Christmas Break or before the All Star Breaker or whatever,
28:21
Speaker 5: right you I think are favored more than the home team.
28:25
Speaker 5: If I'm the La Kings, I got family in town,
28:27
Speaker 5: I've got people coming to visit. It's the holidays, YadA, YadA, YadA.
28:32
Speaker 5: If you're the Kracking, I'm already on the road, right
28:34
Speaker 5: I mean, I gotta be here. I've got nowhere else
28:37
Speaker 5: to be. I'm gonna go back home and I'll deal
28:39
Speaker 5: with all my stuff later. So I think tonight's game
28:42
Speaker 5: from that standpoint, typically will favor the road team. The
28:47
Speaker 5: Kraken and Kings have played a pretty even series historically,
28:51
Speaker 5: Krack and winning last week at home in overtime, so
28:55
Speaker 5: I I like the Cracking chances to stab that s
29:00
Speaker 5: Street tonight. Joey the Cord, who's had a really good
29:03
Speaker 5: couple of games, is going to start for Seattle this evening,
29:06
Speaker 5: so there's going to be an optional skate. Hopefully we'll
29:08
Speaker 5: have an update on Vince Done. I did see him
29:12
Speaker 5: after the game yesterday. He wasn't wearing anything. He wasn't uhb,
29:22
Speaker 5: he was fully clothed. The bus was kind of dark,
29:24
Speaker 5: so I can he was fully clothed. But no, he
29:28
Speaker 5: didn't have a cast or a sling or you know,
29:31
Speaker 5: any type of bandage on. So hopefully, uh, you know,
29:35
Speaker 5: maybe he got the wind knocked out of him and
29:37
Speaker 5: and he'll be ready to go tonight. But we'll see
29:39
Speaker 5: here in about an hour and a half when the
29:41
Speaker 5: crack and get on the a the boarding skate.
29:42
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, I considering the temper tantrum
29:46
Speaker 2: that he threw afterwards, I didn't think he was very injured.
29:49
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad he didn't hit Decord
29:54
Speaker 2: with this with the shrapnel or the back of his
29:57
Speaker 2: stick or whatever else he threw down the hallway. I mean,
29:59
Speaker 2: I I get it. You get to have a timber
30:02
Speaker 2: tantrum here and there, and he obviously didn't feel good
30:04
Speaker 2: the way that he got hit, So hopefully he's good
30:07
Speaker 2: to go. I got one more for you. I mean,
30:10
Speaker 2: the Mason marchmant trade.
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Speaker 3: Is that?
30:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought it was like, wow, I thought
30:16
Speaker 2: that was a piece that they you know, had added
30:18
Speaker 2: for a reason. Was it just not working? Was there
30:21
Speaker 2: is there anything going on behind closed doors, because they've
30:24
Speaker 2: won a couple since he's gone. I don't know if
30:26
Speaker 2: there's chance that it's an addition by some traction clubhouse
30:29
Speaker 2: wise or locker room wise. I mean, what do you
30:32
Speaker 2: think of that whole moves or anything behind it?
30:35
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I think we should normalize using
30:37
Speaker 5: clubhouse for every locker room. Okay, fan of clubhouse, I
30:41
Speaker 5: like that.
30:41
Speaker 4: All right, sounds it does?
30:45
Speaker 2: It does?
30:45
Speaker 5: You can't you can't sit with us, you can't come
30:47
Speaker 5: in here. Yeah. But I think with Mason marshmitt let's
30:51
Speaker 5: be honest, it didn't fit. He didn't fit in the lineup.
30:54
Speaker 5: He didn't fit, you know, in the room. I mean,
30:57
Speaker 5: and there was no type of there were no there's
31:00
Speaker 5: no animosity, there was no arguing, there was no fighting
31:03
Speaker 5: in the background. But you know, sometimes you have a
31:06
Speaker 5: guy just didn't fit and and he has an opportunity
31:10
Speaker 5: to go somewhere else.
31:11
Speaker 2: And he's got.
31:12
Speaker 5: Three goals in two games since he's left, so you know,
31:16
Speaker 5: clearly for him the trade was working. But but for
31:20
Speaker 5: Mason Marshmith, you know, I don't think he ever fully
31:25
Speaker 5: got traction uh in this lineup, and the kracking did
31:29
Speaker 5: all they could. They moved him up and down various
31:32
Speaker 5: places in the lineup. He was all in the first
31:34
Speaker 5: power play. He was playing with Matty Veneers and and
31:37
Speaker 5: Jordan Everley, and you know, until the injury, he had
31:41
Speaker 5: some shifts with James Schwartz and Jared mccannon. So it's
31:44
Speaker 5: not like he was he was buried on the fourth line.
31:48
Speaker 5: He was given opportunity and you know, for whatever reason,
31:51
Speaker 5: it just wasn't a fit. And that happens, and that's okay.
31:54
Speaker 5: The Kraken were no worse for wear because when you
31:57
Speaker 5: think about it, you gave up a third and a
32:00
Speaker 5: fourth for him, and you get back a second and
32:04
Speaker 5: a fourth, So I mean you get the fourth round
32:07
Speaker 5: pick back and then you upgrade the third to a second,
32:10
Speaker 5: So you know, no harm, no foul. I would have
32:13
Speaker 5: liked to have seen him a better run here in Seattle,
32:17
Speaker 5: given the type of player that he's been known to be,
32:21
Speaker 5: But it wasn't a fit, and we wish it well.
32:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is what it is. It's part of the
32:27
Speaker 2: business of the sport, and so yeah, wish him well
32:30
Speaker 2: and yet hopefully they can keep the winning ways going.
32:32
Speaker 2: All right, fits you well, hey, I want to wish
32:34
Speaker 2: you a very merry Christmas as well. You the wifey,
32:36
Speaker 2: the little man. You go out there call a win
32:39
Speaker 2: again tonight and then you can enjoy a few days off.
32:43
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Bucky, Ashley met Christmas to you,
32:46
Speaker 5: Christmas to everybody out there, and we'll talk to you
32:49
Speaker 5: next week.
32:50
Speaker 2: All right. That's ever. It fits you, the voice of
32:53
Speaker 2: the crack and the Mariah Carey of the Seattle Cracking,
32:56
Speaker 2: if you will, all I want for Christmas fits you, baby.
33:01
Speaker 2: All right. On the other side, I'm gonna get Ashley's confidence, Meeter,
33:04
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check in on some things right here. At
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, Huey Lewis wrote
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Speaker 2: all the music it's fine, yeah, exactly. Well, welcome to
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Speaker 2: the show. It is Chuck and Buck in the Morning
33:14
Speaker 2: with Ashley, Lola Ryan. But no Chuck, he's a I
33:18
Speaker 2: don't know what he's doing. Probably wrapping presents. I bet
33:20
Speaker 2: he's sitting in pajamas with a blanket over his lap,
33:25
Speaker 2: drinking dog. Yeah, probably getting after it. I hopefully he's
33:28
Speaker 2: just getting some sleep. Yeah. I would imagine that's all
33:31
Speaker 2: we all are hoping for. Well, we don't have a
33:33
Speaker 2: lot of time in this segment because I have butchered
33:35
Speaker 2: the clock with Jean and with.
33:38
Speaker 4: The wonderful fits here there are friends.
33:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is what it is. What's Richie gonna do?
33:42
Speaker 2: Rich is off too, so he's not even even know Yeah,
33:45
Speaker 2: he didn't care. I just wanted to get your confidence check,
33:50
Speaker 2: a confidence meter. Where you're at right now, sitting in
33:53
Speaker 2: pole position, number one seed, you control your own destiny.
33:56
Speaker 2: You gotta win the next two games and you get
33:58
Speaker 2: a bye, you get home field advantage throughout. That is
34:01
Speaker 2: there's something to it. It's not maybe what it once
34:04
Speaker 2: was in the Pete Carroll era when they really struggled
34:06
Speaker 2: going on the road. As a matter of fact, the
34:09
Speaker 2: opposite of that, they're really kicking ass when they go
34:11
Speaker 2: on the road. But the idea of playing tough team
34:14
Speaker 2: week after week and traveling across country. You would much
34:18
Speaker 2: rather have a buy and be able to stay at home.
34:20
Speaker 2: And so I think that there is something to this
34:22
Speaker 2: whole thing. And yet the Hawks got the Panthers this
34:24
Speaker 2: weekend and then a big one against the Niners. The
34:27
Speaker 2: Niners have the Bears this weekend, not an easy matchup
34:30
Speaker 2: like a lot of people thought it would be at
34:32
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, and then that match up
34:35
Speaker 2: with the Hawks in week eighteen, and the Rams have
34:37
Speaker 2: kind of a easier I mean they could kick one.
34:40
Speaker 2: I mean they could lose, but at the same time,
34:43
Speaker 2: they could very easily beat the Falcons and the Cardinals
34:46
Speaker 2: to hold Serve and force you to win out in
34:50
Speaker 2: your next two games. And so how confident are you
34:52
Speaker 2: that the Seahawks are going to do what they need
34:54
Speaker 2: to do? And I would say that's probably win both
34:57
Speaker 2: of these games. I think if you drop either one
34:59
Speaker 2: of them, you're gonna find yourself in the fifth or
35:03
Speaker 2: sixth spot versus number one.
35:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, and obviously number one spot would be ideal, But
35:07
Speaker 4: I don't think it's make or break for us. I
35:10
Speaker 4: think the Seahawks will be fine. I mean, just get
35:12
Speaker 4: into the playoffs is really my only concern. When I
35:15
Speaker 4: like the number one seed, Absolutely, do I have confidence
35:17
Speaker 4: that they can get it? Yes, especially with this team,
35:20
Speaker 4: not even with the coaching staff is one thing, right,
35:23
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald has this team focused. But it's the team themselves,
35:27
Speaker 4: the players themselves. They are so bonded, they are so
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Speaker 4: all in for each other, and that's what gives me
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Speaker 4: the confidence that they can do this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm confident. I think that they will
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Speaker 2: beat the Panthers. I think the Panthers struggle to get
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Speaker 2: to the quarterback. I think if Sam doesn't get errant
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Speaker 2: with his passes, they do have a couple of ballhawks.
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Speaker 2: Don't force it up there. Yeah, but I think you
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Speaker 2: can run the ball against them a little bit. I
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Speaker 2: think you can pass. I think that the offense is
35:53
Speaker 2: going to do what they need to do, and I
35:54
Speaker 2: think the defense will make life rough for the Panthers,
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Speaker 2: who are very jackling Hyde when it comes to being
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Speaker 2: able to move the ball. So I think you win
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Speaker 2: this one. I'm not much more than a coin flip
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Speaker 2: against the Niners. I mean, the Niners are gonna still
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Speaker 2: be fighting for something, and ultimately I feel like the
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Speaker 2: Rams are gonna win out. And so I think it's
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Speaker 2: gonna come down to Week eighteen, where you bet you
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Speaker 2: beat the Niners, you get number one. You don't beat
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Speaker 2: the Niners, and you're gonna be number six. And that's
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Speaker 2: quite the change when it comes to who you have
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Speaker 2: to play or who you get to play, where you
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Speaker 2: get to play it. So we shall see a lot
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Speaker 2: of drama heading into the final couple weeks of the season.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into more of that probably later on, but
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Speaker 2: for now, we got to take a break so we
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Speaker 2: can get to mister Rick Neuheisel on the other side,
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