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Step-Dad Kidnaps, Rapes, MARRIES 6-YEAR-OLD GIRL · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Viewers across the world have
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Speaker 1: branded a new Netflix special quote the most horrifying and
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Speaker 1: sickening true crime documentary on Netflix. I'm talking about the
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Speaker 1: Netflix documentary Girl in the Picture, which details how a
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Speaker 1: man named Frank Adelano Floyd kidnapped a six year old
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Speaker 1: little girl, posed her as his daughter, and then married her.
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Speaker 1: How was that happening in our country? Where you steal
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Speaker 1: a little girl, pose her as your own daughter, then
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Speaker 1: marry her. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. It's a really twisted story with
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Speaker 1: a lot of alias's aka's twists and turns, but we're
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Speaker 1: going to try to get to the truth of what
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Speaker 1: happened to this six year old little girl kidnapped, posed
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Speaker 1: as the bio daughter of her kidnapper, and then married
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Speaker 1: to her kidnapper. First of all, let's just start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. Take a listen to our friends at crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. Suzanne Savanka's story is a complicated one
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Speaker 1: that begins with her mother, Sandy Shipman. Shipman has four children.
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Speaker 1: She meets Brandon Williams and the couple dates for just
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Speaker 1: one month, and then Maria moved from North Carolina to Texas.
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Speaker 1: The wedded bliss doesn't last long. Shipman writes a bad
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Speaker 1: check in his jail for thirty days. Shipman returns home
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Speaker 1: after serving her time, but her husband and children are gone.
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Speaker 1: Shipman is able to find her younger daughters, Alison and
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Speaker 1: Amy and foster care, but has no luck in locating
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Speaker 1: five year old Susanne Savaka sent her younger brother Philip. Okay,
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Speaker 1: WHOA how does that happen in our country? Number one,
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Speaker 1: If you write a bad check, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: jail because they don't even keep rapists and child hollusterers
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Speaker 1: and agassaulters in jail, so or a total revolving door.
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Speaker 1: But at that time in Texas, Oh, yes, you're going
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Speaker 1: to jail for about check. I need to hear that
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Speaker 1: one more time. Take a listen again to our friend
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt at crime online dot com. Suzanne Savanka's story
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Speaker 1: is a complicated one that begins with her mother, Sandy Shipman.
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Speaker 1: Shipman has four children. She meets Brandon Williams and the
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Speaker 1: couple dates for just one month, and then Marian moved
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Speaker 1: from North Carolina to Texas. The wedded bliss doesn't last long.
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Speaker 1: Shipman writes a bad check in its jail for thirty days.
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Speaker 1: Shipman returns home after serving her time, but her husband
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Speaker 1: and children are gone. It is able to find her
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Speaker 1: younger daughters, Alison and Amy in foster care, but has
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Speaker 1: no luck in locating five year old Susanne. Slovakia sent
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Speaker 1: her younger brother Philip. You got to jail for thirty
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Speaker 1: days on a bad check, and you come home and
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Speaker 1: two of your children are gone, including your five year
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Speaker 1: old little girl and her brother. You find the other
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Speaker 1: two children stuck in foster care. I mean, and this
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Speaker 1: day and age that would be on every headline on
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Speaker 1: every milk cartney in the country. And I don't understand
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Speaker 1: how this guy gets away with two children after sticking
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Speaker 1: the other two in foster care. Can we just start
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jerry Cross and psychologist joining US faculty Saint Leo University, consultant,
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Speaker 1: author of operations getting married after one month? Can we
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Speaker 1: just start with that? Well, that's an interesting personality right there,
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Speaker 1: probably on more like the borderline and just more of
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Speaker 1: an impulsive reaction to the lust of the moment. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, we see stars do it all the time,
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Speaker 1: and everybody calls it a whirl wind of romance. But
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Speaker 1: they've got the money to afford an expensive divorce and
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Speaker 1: work out all their issues and their property. When the
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Speaker 1: rest of us do it, it's not really a good
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Speaker 1: idea getting married after thirty one days, I'm knowing someone
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Speaker 1: or not knowing them. Doctor Jory helped me out. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I've seen it happen in my practice where you know,
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Speaker 1: I've treated patients on relational issues like that, and you know,
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Speaker 1: they met in a bar, you got drinking together, and
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Speaker 1: within a couple of weeks they're they're married, and they
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Speaker 1: end up in your practice seeking help. That's right, and
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Speaker 1: they usually procreate and add to the situation, you know,
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Speaker 1: they have children. And that's exactly what happened here. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I've got an incredible panel, but I've got to go
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Speaker 1: to a guy, an amazing I an FBI investigator. He
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Speaker 1: invaded the suspects personal space to solve the riddle of
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Speaker 1: the girl in the picture with me right now, Scott
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Speaker 1: Law former FBI Special Agent. Scott, this is an amazing
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Speaker 1: story and you must be an amazing FBI investigator to
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Speaker 1: have cracked this thing. I'm just trying to taste this
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Speaker 1: chronologically because it's so it's very confusing. I would have
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Speaker 1: to definitely create some type of a flow chart if
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Speaker 1: I were arguing this to a jury so they could
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Speaker 1: keep looking back. Because everybody has aliases, everybody goes all
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Speaker 1: different ways across the country. But you cracked the riddle.
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Speaker 1: First of all, why is it called the girl in
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Speaker 1: the picture picture? There's a photograph widely circulated online of
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Speaker 1: Susanna Veakas with a pretty bad haircut sitting in the
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Speaker 1: lamp of Franklin Floyd and Dad. Was a photo taken
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Speaker 1: for church directory here in Oklahoma City back in the
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Speaker 1: mid seventies. Okay, wait, stop right there. Number one, what's
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Speaker 1: wrong with a haircut? Because that's the one I had
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Speaker 1: growing up, except my hair was not down to my shoulders.
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Speaker 1: I like to cut my hair starting at about age two,
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Speaker 1: so my banks would always be cut like at the roots.
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Speaker 1: Whenever my mom would turn her back, I'd cut my hair,
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Speaker 1: and on either side it would be up like this.
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Speaker 1: When I did it myself, then my mom tried to
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Speaker 1: fix it. So to me, that's a pretty good cut.
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Speaker 1: It looks like he may have cut her hair in
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Speaker 1: this picture. And I bet that's because he didn't want
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Speaker 1: anyone that he didn't have to reveal himself to to
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Speaker 1: see him with his child. So I was going to
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Speaker 1: say the first time I saw this, this looks like
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Speaker 1: a church directory photo, because we've had the taken so
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Speaker 1: many times since i was a little girl in the
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Speaker 1: Methodist church for the church directory. That's exactly what this
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Speaker 1: looks like. So this is in Oklahoma. It's a photo
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Speaker 1: of Franklin Delano Floyd, who kidnapped his little daughter age five,
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Speaker 1: forced her to marry him. Okay, so that's why it's
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Speaker 1: called the Girl in the picture, Scott. It is. Yes,
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Speaker 1: that photo was given to a guy brought that photo
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Speaker 1: into the FBI because Franklin Floyd, who at the time
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Speaker 1: of that photo was known as Trenton Davis, had given
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Speaker 1: that photo to a friend of his and Franklin Floyd
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Speaker 1: actually tried to recover that photo at a later date
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Speaker 1: and the guy told Franklin he didn't have it anymore,
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Speaker 1: and the guy actually ended up finding it and bringing
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Speaker 1: it to the FBI. In nineteen ninety four, when Michael
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped and Michael is Suzanne Saveacus's son. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: let's just get this straight. Suzanne Savecas is at She's
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Speaker 1: the little girl in the picture. Her mom, Sandy Chipman,
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Speaker 1: is the one that, after one month marries Franklin Delano Floyd. Correct. Correct.
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Speaker 1: And the brother we're talking about is Susanne's brother. Susanne's brother.
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Speaker 1: But he was adopted by a family and raised by
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Speaker 1: a family, and I talked to him a few years ago.
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Speaker 1: He is alive and well. And there's a whole other
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Speaker 1: story about that adoption that involving Sandy Chipman and this
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Speaker 1: boy Philip Stephen Christy Missouri joining me Emmy Award winning
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. So, Chrissy, let me understand so we can
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Speaker 1: go forward with our names. Correctly. Susanne Savakas is the
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Speaker 1: girl in the picture. Her son she later had is
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Speaker 1: Michael Hughes. Correct, that's correct. Okay. Suzanne's brother that was
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Speaker 1: kidnapped along with her, it's Philip, correct. Correct. And you're
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Speaker 1: telling me, Scott lab that later Philip was adopted by
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Speaker 1: another family, That's correct. And I want to hear what
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Speaker 1: happened to him. I want to get to the heart
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Speaker 1: of how these two children just disappear, on how this Nan,
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Speaker 1: the defendant ends up married to what was then a
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Speaker 1: little girl five to six years old when she was kidnapped.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. It
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Speaker 1: turns out Brandon Williams is an alias used by Franklin
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Speaker 1: Delano Floyd. At the time Floyd met Sandy Shipman, he
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Speaker 1: had a lengthy rap sheet and was on the run.
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Speaker 1: Floyd reportedly abducted and raped a four year old girl
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Speaker 1: and robbed a bank. The bank robber, You're earning him
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Speaker 1: nine years behind bars. Then Floyd attacked a woman after
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Speaker 1: just getting out of jail, and then failed to appear
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Speaker 1: in court and disappeared, disappearing with something that Floyd was
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Speaker 1: good at. While Shipman was in jail, Floyd disappeared with
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Speaker 1: two younger children, Susanne and Philip. Philip was only six
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Speaker 1: weeks old and was adopted by Mary and Bob Patterson
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Speaker 1: two years ago. Testing confirmed that Phillips was Sandy Shipman's
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Speaker 1: son and Susanne Sevaka's brother. As for Susanne, she disappeared
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Speaker 1: with Floyd. He changed his name again, Susanne's too. They
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Speaker 1: are now Borren and Sharon Marshall, father and daughter. Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, Christy Missourich joining us. Let me
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Speaker 1: understand Susanne Sevacas turns in to Sharon Marshall. Right, and
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Speaker 1: they have to keep changing their names so they're not
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Speaker 1: found out, correct, that's right. They changed their name with
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Speaker 1: each changing location as Floyd dreg Susan throughout the United
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Speaker 1: States to James Shelnan joining me twenty seven years Metro
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Speaker 1: major case, former SWAT now lawyer with the Shelna Law firm,
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Speaker 1: Oudam Gadsden, James, thank you for being with us. You
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Speaker 1: know now this would be on every newscast, on every
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Speaker 1: milk car and everywhere looking for these two. So how
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Speaker 1: is it the two managed to be kidnapped and taken
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Speaker 1: away and nobody found them. Well, they say, you know,
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Speaker 1: that was a different era at different times, before the Internet.
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Speaker 1: It was before the age of email electronic communications. You know, nowadays,
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Speaker 1: information that we receive about kidnappings is so instantaneous. It's
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Speaker 1: automatically on Facebook, get Amber alerts on your phone, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's posted over social media. Well, back in those days,
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Speaker 1: it was not that way. This is just a much
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Speaker 1: different air and time where information was non instantaneous. The
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Speaker 1: process was much slower, and it was much easier for
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Speaker 1: maniacs like this to get away with this for periods
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Speaker 1: of time. Let it sink Anne. While the other children
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Speaker 1: were eventually found, Franklin Delano Floyd kept Sevacas, the little girl.
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Speaker 1: He raised her. I told other people she was his
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Speaker 1: bio daughter's biological child. He changed her name to Sharon Marshall,
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Speaker 1: spending years pretending she was his daughter before he forced
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Speaker 1: her to marry him. I want to circle back Scott
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Speaker 1: Love joining me, former FBI special agent. He managed to
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Speaker 1: crack the mystery of the girl in the picture. You
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Speaker 1: know what I think. I think it had to do
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Speaker 1: with the fact that the mother. The mother was deemed
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Speaker 1: to be no account because she had gone to jail
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Speaker 1: on that bad check. So when she's telling everybody he
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Speaker 1: left with my children, I don't think anybody listened to her,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody cared. So when Sandy Chipman,
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Speaker 1: the mother, was released from jail, she discovered that her
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Speaker 1: kids were gone, and she found two of them, Alison
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Speaker 1: and Amy, at a Baptist children's home in the Dallas area,
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Speaker 1: but Suzanne was nowhere to be found. Sandy told me
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Speaker 1: when I interviewed her that she went to the Dallas
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Speaker 1: Police Department to report her youngest daughter, Suzanne missing. The
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Speaker 1: Dallas Police Department told her, there's nothing we can do.
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Speaker 1: You're married to this man. It's perfectly fine for her
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Speaker 1: for Franklin Floyd to have the child. And then she
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Speaker 1: continued looking but never found him. Let me understand, also,
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Speaker 1: Franklin Delo Floyd aka Brandon Williams aka Trenton Davis aka
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Speaker 1: Warren Marshall was not her biological father. That is correct.
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Speaker 1: Who's the dad? The dad is Clifford Savacas When I
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Speaker 1: interviewed him. He was living in Michigan at the time,
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Speaker 1: and he he was when he came back from Vietnam.
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Speaker 1: Sandy had moved on, was living with another guy and
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Speaker 1: and mister Sabakis. Clifford Sabakis was out of their lives,
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Speaker 1: out of Suzanne's life at that point. He tried to
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Speaker 1: maintain contact, but ultimately Sandy moved on with her life
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Speaker 1: with this new guy and her three kids. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to just get my mind wrapped around, how is she
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Speaker 1: five or is she's six? Scott Lobe when she's abducted.
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Speaker 1: She at the time she was abducted, she was six
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Speaker 1: years old. How a six year old can be taken
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Speaker 1: away by stepfather, no biological connection, and the cops actually
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Speaker 1: tell the mom, Hey, that's her dad. There's nothing you
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Speaker 1: do about it. He's supposed to have her. You're the
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Speaker 1: screw up. That's basically what they told her. So let
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Speaker 1: me understand this too. Scott Lobe joining me, the guy
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Speaker 1: who the case the girl in the picture. Did the
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Speaker 1: mom Chipley have any idea she married a guy convicted
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Speaker 1: of raping a four year old? No, she didn't. When
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Speaker 1: that crank was committed, he was known as Franklin Floyd
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Speaker 1: his birth name. When he met Sandy, he was known
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Speaker 1: as Brandon Cleo Williams. And that's the only name she's
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Speaker 1: ever known for him to have was Brandon Cleo Williams
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Speaker 1: until we talked to her and told her the story
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Speaker 1: of who he really was, you know. To James shell Nutt,
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Speaker 1: a former Metro major case now lawyer, I love nothing more. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I love about prosecuting crimes,
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Speaker 1: but one of the things I love the most is
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Speaker 1: when I, as a prosecutor, got to stand from the
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Speaker 1: jury and read the indictment and nothing would make me
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Speaker 1: happier than to ring out a string of alias's, So
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Speaker 1: in this one it would be Franklin Delano Floyd AKA
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Speaker 1: also known as Brandon Cleo Williams, also known as Trenton Davis,
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Speaker 1: also known as Warren Marcel. Oh. Absolutely think I loved
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Speaker 1: it as well. And I will tell you that it
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Speaker 1: shows that they're trying to hide from the past of
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Speaker 1: what they're done. They're deceitful. Their entire life is a lie.
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Speaker 1: And everything they're about to tell you as the jury
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Speaker 1: and everything you're about to hear, and everything he's told
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Speaker 1: everyone else that he's dealt with and victimized is a lie.
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Speaker 1: Also that she used to manipulate and that's what has happened.
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Speaker 1: He's manipulated. You know. The doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical
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Speaker 1: examiner for the State of Florida. You can find it
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Speaker 1: at pathcaremad dot com and he's lecturing University Florida Medical
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Speaker 1: School and the founder and host on the International Forensic
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Speaker 1: Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Now bet that's a big party,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher. You know what's burning me up right now?
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Speaker 1: So many things, But do you know what I would
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Speaker 1: put somebody through and they were going to live with
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Speaker 1: my children. No, there would be a rap sheet. I'd
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Speaker 1: find out about his family. There is no way in
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Speaker 1: he double l that some man is going to slink
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Speaker 1: in and be around my children. This guy had a
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Speaker 1: conviction for raping a four year old, plus a lot
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Speaker 1: of other things. But that one just jumped out at me,
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Speaker 1: and she had no idea. She didn't even know his
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Speaker 1: real name. There so many to pick from. Here's my question,
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Speaker 1: do you, doctor Gallagher, you're the medical examiner. How many
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Speaker 1: times have you had to autopsy at the child who
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Speaker 1: was killed by the boyfriend to live in the new
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Speaker 1: husband the fiancee of mommy? I mean, it's like women
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Speaker 1: pick this poc technical legal term over their children. Do
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Speaker 1: they need a man that badly? Neither here nor there,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher. My sister in turn for one of our
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Speaker 1: congress people, when I guess she was in college, she
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Speaker 1: brought home a T shirt. I'll never forget it. A
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Speaker 1: woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.
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Speaker 1: And I totally when she got tired of it, totally stolen.
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Speaker 1: But did you do all that to have a man
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Speaker 1: you don't even know his real name? How many times
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Speaker 1: have you all talks at a child? Infant to fifteen
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Speaker 1: that was killed by mommy's boyfriend. You husband live in
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Speaker 1: blah blah. Well, it's amazing. It's been quite a few
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Speaker 1: and that's a very very common story. And as a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, if that isn't the story, then I
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Speaker 1: question the validity of the narrative. You know, most of
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Speaker 1: the stories start out with why do you talk like that?
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Speaker 1: Number one? I questioned the validity of a narrative. Why
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Speaker 1: don't you just say somebody's lying where Typically that's how
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Speaker 1: the story is. It's always it's usually ninety nine percent
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Speaker 1: of the time. You know, the the child of the
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Speaker 1: mother and then the boyfriend who's not married of the
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Speaker 1: mother is involved. You know, so, um, and typically he
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Speaker 1: did it well right fob, Well, non fob, non father
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Speaker 1: of the baby. Um. You know so normally it is
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend of the mother, not the father of the child.
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Speaker 1: And you know, Chrissie Missouri, you and I've covered it
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Speaker 1: a million times. Mommy brings home a POC and he
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Speaker 1: kills the baby too many times that we care to relive.
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Speaker 1: You know, back to you, Scott lab who is the star,
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Speaker 1: the former FBI special agent who actually cracked this case
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Speaker 1: and you know what, Scott lab I know he has
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Speaker 1: committed murder, and I am I really admire what you did.
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Speaker 1: He's good for two that we know of. Uh, he's
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Speaker 1: strongly suspected in Suzanne's death in Oklahoma City in nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety the little girl that he kidnapped, married, ye raped,
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Speaker 1: and then ends up dead. Yes, that little girl. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: he totally killed her. And who's the other? The other
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Speaker 1: is the girl named Cheryl Comeisso who was a dancer
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Speaker 1: with Suzanne in Tampa, who he murdered, and that's for
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Speaker 1: which he sits on death rows for her murder in Florida.
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Speaker 1: When you say dancer, do you mean stripper? I did
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Speaker 1: mean stripper? Okay, can we just make sure let's just
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Speaker 1: call it like it is. I don't care if she's
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Speaker 1: a stripper or she's, you know, performing at the met
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Speaker 1: I don't care she was murdered. Now, I, like you do,
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Speaker 1: not like to trash victims. But if it's the truth,
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Speaker 1: it's the truth, and it tells me a lot about
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Speaker 1: Scott mob I'm not going to bother for dramatic purposes
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Speaker 1: to recount all of his aliases. So what I'm understanding is,
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Speaker 1: Mommy after one month, marries Franklin Delano Floyd. She catches
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Speaker 1: a bad check charge, she goes to jail, one month,
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Speaker 1: comes home. Two of her children are in foster care
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Speaker 1: at the Baptist church and two others are missing. One
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Speaker 1: of them. Ultimately that the baby, the boy, gets adopted
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Speaker 1: by a family. And then Suzanne, her little five year
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Speaker 1: old girl, is just lost. And here comes a mommy
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Speaker 1: with a bad check charge, and she's a stripper, begging
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Speaker 1: cops for help, and nobody does a damned thing. Do
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Speaker 1: I have the facts now, Scott? Well, the mom Sandy
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Speaker 1: was not a stripper. No, no, no, Susanne Suzanne was. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Susanne was. She was a stripper in both Tampa, Florida
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Speaker 1: and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Gotcha, thank you. So baby Michael, let
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Speaker 1: me understand, is put into foster care and later adopted.
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Speaker 1: But then when he's in first grade, Franklin Delano Floyd
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Speaker 1: walks into his elementary schools a gun and takes him.
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Speaker 1: Police search for Floyd and Michael for weeks. He was
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Speaker 1: eventually arrested in Louisville, Kentucky, when he tried to get
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Speaker 1: any driver's license. What do you mean, Christie, missourk he
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Speaker 1: walks into an elementary school and kidnaps the first grader.
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Speaker 1: That's right, well, that's part of the whole badness of
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Speaker 1: this man. He wanted what he believed was his and
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Speaker 1: was going to take any means in order to retrieve
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Speaker 1: Michael back again. You got to remember the timeline here.
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Speaker 1: There's already the mother's dead, Suzanne's dead, and now he's
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Speaker 1: coming back to get Michael. So at gunpoint, he takes
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Speaker 1: the child, he forces a member of the school administration
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Speaker 1: to take him to Michael's classroom and removes them, and
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Speaker 1: then he's on the lamb where he's quickly then caught
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Speaker 1: by law enforcement. Now the little girl, the girl in
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Speaker 1: the picture Susanne Sevakas, of course, the fake that changes
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Speaker 1: her name to Sharon Marshall. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut three, our friend Dave Mack. Sharon Marshall grew up
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Speaker 1: to be a smart, gifted student, earning a full scholarship
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Speaker 1: to study aerospace engineering. Before Sharon could attend college, she
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Speaker 1: became pregnant. Finally, Slovakas decided to run away with her
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Speaker 1: secret boyfriend and take her toddler, Michael, with them. She
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Speaker 1: tried but reportedly Franklin Floyd tracked her down and it's
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend who witnesses the disappearing act. This time, Floyd
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Speaker 1: and Slovakas leave town, moving first to Tampa, then settling
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Speaker 1: in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Only this time they were Clarence and
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Speaker 1: Tanya Hughes, a married couple. Just a few weeks later,
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Speaker 1: Susanne Sevakas aka Tanya Hughes was found on the side
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Speaker 1: of an Oklahoma highway with bruises and a head injury.
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Speaker 1: While her injuries were suspicious, when Savakas dies, her death
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Speaker 1: was assumed to be a hit and run to Scott Law,
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Speaker 1: joining us former FBI who cracked the case of the
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Speaker 1: little girl in the picture. Suzanne gets her name changed
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Speaker 1: to Sharon Marshall, and despite being kidnapped and married and
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Speaker 1: raped by her stepfather, she as she grows up to
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Speaker 1: be smart and gifted and gets a full scholarship to
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Speaker 1: study aerospace engineering. That's a miracle. It is a miracle.
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Speaker 1: You look at the history of her upbringing. When she
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Speaker 1: was Sharon Marshall, living and going to high school in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: the horror that she had to live in with Franklin
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Speaker 1: Floyd well documented, and she somehow was still able to
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Speaker 1: be a just a brilliant and gifted student who ultimately
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Speaker 1: got a full ride to Georgia Tech to study aerospace engineering.
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Speaker 1: It's it's incredible to me, which is one of the
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Speaker 1: top engineering schools in the world. So when you say
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Speaker 1: the horror that she lived with, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that she was subjected to sexual abuse? Uh Franklin Floyd.
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Speaker 1: And during the investigation, we found photographs of Susanne in
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Speaker 1: various states of undress that were taken by Franklin Floyd.
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Speaker 1: There's the witness statements from some of her friends that
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Speaker 1: she was raped by by Franklin Floyd. And she had
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Speaker 1: a very Franklin's very controlling would not let her out
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Speaker 1: of the house. She had to be back home by
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Speaker 1: a certain time to make him dinner, to take care
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Speaker 1: of him, and she made excuses for to all her
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Speaker 1: friends about why she had to go home and take
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Speaker 1: care of Daddy as she called him. So Susanne would
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Speaker 1: would when people would try to hate Susanne, let's we're
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Speaker 1: gonna go hang out after school, she said, I can't.
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Speaker 1: I have to go take care of my dad. Being
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Speaker 1: Franklin and she would always make excuse of for him
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Speaker 1: every day, all day. She had no freedoms whatsoever unless
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Speaker 1: if he was involved in that freedom. Did she ever
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Speaker 1: wonder what happened to her mother? Yes, she of the
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Speaker 1: some of the people we talked to, some of the witnesses,
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Speaker 1: they did say that she had memories of her mom
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Speaker 1: that but she quickly changed the subject, didn't want to
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Speaker 1: talk about it at all. But it did have memories
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Speaker 1: of her mom. And that's about all we know about
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Speaker 1: what she said about her mom. But in her position,
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Speaker 1: she's already gone from state to state to state. She's
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Speaker 1: living under another name. I'm sure no one would give
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Speaker 1: her information about her mom. So for a child that young,
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Speaker 1: who is getting raped probably on a nightly basis by
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Speaker 1: her fate dad, how is she going to find mom?
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was that was another lifetime ago for her.
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Speaker 1: She's all alone in this world. Doctor Jory Crossen, psychologist
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Speaker 1: joining US faculty Saint Leo University and author, Doctor Jory
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Speaker 1: She's completely isolated, but we often find that in cases
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Speaker 1: of child molestation. Yeah, that's like a prisoner of war. Okay,
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Speaker 1: She's definitely a captive, you know, looking back on that
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Speaker 1: relationship with her mother and with Floyd him being a pedophile,
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Speaker 1: he basically groomed and picked out the mother for the children. Okay, Mary,
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Speaker 1: and the mother was just giving him access to her.
27:14
Speaker 1: You know, we see that so often. Here's a quick
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Speaker 1: example that everyone can relate to. Cherish Perrywinkle. The little
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Speaker 1: girl who was shopping at I guess Daughter General or
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Speaker 1: Family Dollar with mom and the sisters and she is
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Speaker 1: approached by a guy that offers to help them out
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Speaker 1: with a gift card. They then go to I think
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Speaker 1: a Walmart's superstore and he was waiting for his wife
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Speaker 1: to show up with a gift card. He takes I
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Speaker 1: believe eight or nine year old Cherish to get a
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Speaker 1: hamburger in the front. There's actually McDonald's inside the superstore.
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Speaker 1: They just keep walking. Police largely discount what the mother
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Speaker 1: Rain is telling them, and the child is rape, sodomized, triangled,
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Speaker 1: then submerged in water under a log until she's found.
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Speaker 1: The whole reason the befriended the mom was to get
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Speaker 1: to the daughter, and he did. And this guy, Franklin
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Speaker 1: Delano Floyd did it as well. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime Online Dot com When Suzanne
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Speaker 1: Sevakas Tony Hughes dies, her young son, Michael is taken
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Speaker 1: out of Floyd's care by the Department of Human Services
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Speaker 1: and placed in a foster home. Floyd is allowed visitation rights,
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Speaker 1: but Michael referred to him as that mean man. Floyd
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Speaker 1: tried to get custody of the boy for years, but
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Speaker 1: DHS orders paternity test which confirmed Floyd has no biological
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Speaker 1: connection to the boy. Floyd's parental rights are terminated. Now
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Speaker 1: Michael's foster family sets an adoption in motion. Here comes
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Speaker 1: another disappearing act. Six year old Michael Hughes is kidnapped
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Speaker 1: from his school along with the school principal at gunpoint.
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Speaker 1: The administrator is left tied to a tree in the
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Speaker 1: nearby woods. Two months later, Floyd is arrested in Kentucky,
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Speaker 1: but Michael isn't with him and he has never been found.
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Speaker 1: You know, Scott lab former FBI who cracked this case.
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Speaker 1: It's really it's heartbreaking, the entire story. I want you
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to one more thing Scott before
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Speaker 1: I returned to you. Take a listen to Dave Morris
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Speaker 1: with the Oklahoma for twenty years infamous kidnapped for Franklin Delano,
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Speaker 1: Floyd stuct at variations of the same live aout the
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Speaker 1: fate of the six year old boy he took from
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Speaker 1: a Talktail elementary school in nineteen ninety four. Michael Anthony
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Speaker 1: Hughes had been taken to a safe place, Floyd would say.
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Speaker 1: Floyd would also say the boy was his son, despite
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Speaker 1: what a blood test showed, and he did what he
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Speaker 1: had to do. But from death Row in Florida. In
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Speaker 1: September of twenty fourteen, Floyd finally admitted to two FBI
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Speaker 1: agents would have been suspected all along, and more from
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Speaker 1: Dave Morris. He had killed Michael the same day after
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Speaker 1: it became clear his plans to raise the boy while
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Speaker 1: a fugitive weren't going to work this time. For Michael's
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Speaker 1: foster parents, the revelation provided some closure. Ernest and Merle
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Speaker 1: being Phil Michael who sing solos at church is now
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Speaker 1: with Jesus. When they came out to the house and
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Speaker 1: they told us the situation, and in a way it
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Speaker 1: was relief because we knew that he wasn't being hurt
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Speaker 1: that and like I said in the letter, that when
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Speaker 1: he took his last breath, here on this earth, that
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Speaker 1: he was in the arms of Jesus his very next
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Speaker 1: breath time stories with Nancy Grace to Scott Loam. He
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Speaker 1: cracked the case of the girl in the picture. Could
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Speaker 1: you start at the beginning, explained to us Mere Mortals.
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Speaker 1: Now you did it. So it started actually the year
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Speaker 1: before when I got notified about the case and it
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Speaker 1: was assigned to me, and I spent a year reviewing
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Speaker 1: the very thick case file that the FBI put together
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Speaker 1: at the time of the kidnapping. I watched everything I
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Speaker 1: could on YouTube. There were videos of Franklin Floyd addressing
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Speaker 1: various committees when he was trying to fight for Michael.
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Speaker 1: I listened to every jail call that we had still
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Speaker 1: on the old cassette tapes. Thank goodness, the FBI still
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Speaker 1: keeps cassette recorders around. And I wanted to know who
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Speaker 1: I was dealing with. I want to know everything about him,
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Speaker 1: how we treated people is I wanted to just dig
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Speaker 1: into who he was. I wanted to know this man
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Speaker 1: before I even thought about setting foot on death row
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Speaker 1: to go talk to him. And when that time came,
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Speaker 1: that preparation was so key in refuting the lie as
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Speaker 1: that Floyd would throw up that he'd thrown up to people,
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Speaker 1: to journalists, to other law enforcement officers over the twenty
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Speaker 1: years before we talk to him. That worked so well
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Speaker 1: for him. He tried those same things with us, But
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Speaker 1: because Nate and I were so prepared, we could refute
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Speaker 1: anything he said with the facts that we knew from
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Speaker 1: the case file and from the investigation that had been
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Speaker 1: done before we got involved. And furthermore, when we're in
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Speaker 1: the interview room with Floyd, I literally sat in kneed
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Speaker 1: a knee with him. And if we call you know,
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Speaker 1: it's called proximics, and we want to get into their
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Speaker 1: personal space. If Floyd is leaning back, trying to get
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Speaker 1: away from me as he's telling a lie, I'm leaning
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Speaker 1: forward because I want to maintain that that equidistance between
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Speaker 1: him at all times. Now, if he's talking and he's
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Speaker 1: somewhat relaxed and we're not really talking about a subject
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk about, and he's leaned back relaxed,
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Speaker 1: I'll lean back and relax. I mirror his tone, I
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Speaker 1: mirror his language. And that's ultimately we were able to
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Speaker 1: get Floyd to a point where he ran out of
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Speaker 1: excuses and we had painted him into a corner with
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Speaker 1: his own statements, with his own words, and with a
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Speaker 1: timeline from the time he took Michael to the time
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Speaker 1: he exited the highway before he got into Texas and
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Speaker 1: killed Michael. He Nancy just ran out of excuses. We
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Speaker 1: just we were able to corner him that way, based
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Speaker 1: on that preparation and based on smart and sound interview
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Speaker 1: and interrogation techniques. You know, Scott Lamb, I think that
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Speaker 1: it's hard to understand how much prep is required to
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Speaker 1: understand the nuances of the facts when you go into
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Speaker 1: a situation like yours, because this guy has so many names,
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Speaker 1: so many lies, so many agendas going on. We know
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Speaker 1: he's martyred at least two people, at least two and
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Speaker 1: he'll do it anything. Who would go into an elementary
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Speaker 1: school with a gun and kidnap a little boy that's
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Speaker 1: not related to you, I'm sure to either rape him
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Speaker 1: or live as if he's his biosn just like he
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Speaker 1: did with Susanne. I mean, nothing good would have come
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Speaker 1: of that. Nothing good did come of that. You have
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Speaker 1: to arm yourself with every minute fact so when he lies,
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Speaker 1: you have an answer. What was his demeanor Franklins. Floyd
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Speaker 1: is combative. Most times you talk to him, he just lies.
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Speaker 1: That's all he does. He lies, he tries to misdirect,
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Speaker 1: he tries to take you down rabbit holes. And there
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Speaker 1: were times, I will tell you, there were times I
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Speaker 1: would let him take me down a rabbit hole because
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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was consequential to the line of
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Speaker 1: question we were talking about. And Nate, my partner, Nate
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Speaker 1: fur he would he would he tell me after in
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Speaker 1: the debrief, letting him take you down rabbit holes. And
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Speaker 1: I told Nate, I said, listen, he had to have
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Speaker 1: a sense of victory every now and then. I don't
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Speaker 1: want this guy to shut down. I think we're getting close.
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Speaker 1: I needed to let him have those victories every at
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Speaker 1: least that sense of victory every now and then. And
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Speaker 1: Nate agreed, and we allowed him to do that. But
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Speaker 1: he because a lot of times when he did that,
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Speaker 1: we'd start questioning again on another line that we were
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Speaker 1: interested in, and he was less combative, and then he'd
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Speaker 1: eventually see where we were going and he would he
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Speaker 1: would get that combative level back up. But he he's
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Speaker 1: just a mean guy. He's nothing's his fault. He's never
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Speaker 1: done anything wrong in his life, and that's how he
35:41
Speaker 1: presents himself to law enforcement at all times. What were
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Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding the murder off Cheryl Kanesso the dancer.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl had reported to human Services in Florida that Suzanne
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Speaker 1: was dancing and making money. She was mad at Franklin.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember the reason why, and Franklin's found out
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Speaker 1: that she had reported the additional income, so that cut
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Speaker 1: off some of their benefits, and Franklin ultimately murdered her
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Speaker 1: for it. Guys, take a listen to our cut seven
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Speaker 1: our friends at the Oklahoma It's a tangled story. In
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Speaker 1: August of twenty fifteen, the FBI issued a press release
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Speaker 1: saying a decades old cold case had been solved that
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Speaker 1: Floyd had told the investigators what happened to Michael Hughes.
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Speaker 1: Floyd had murdered the first grader on the same day
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Speaker 1: he kidnapped him. They were driving from Oklahoma City to Dallas.
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Speaker 1: The youngster was being a typical six year old out
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Speaker 1: of control until Floyd shot him twice in the back
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Speaker 1: of the head. Following the FBI's announcement in August of
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, the foster parents Earnest to Merle Bean wrote
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Speaker 1: a letter expressing their thoughts, but only mailed it a
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Speaker 1: few weeks ago to the Oklahoma's Nolan Clay Nolan and
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Speaker 1: our ten money sat down with the Beans as they
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Speaker 1: shared their emotions. This whole time, I figured that Michael
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Speaker 1: was dead, that he killed him early on. I think
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Speaker 1: that reference the start, and and it went right along.
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Speaker 1: My view was I would rather him be did than
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Speaker 1: living somewhere in torment, suffering, wanting to come home. Good jeez,
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Speaker 1: Scott lab Why did he go to all the effort
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Speaker 1: to kidnaped Michael, who is Suzanne's son, the little girl
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Speaker 1: in the picture that he kidnapped rape married? Why did
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Speaker 1: he kill him? Though Michael was not Franklin Floyd's son,
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Speaker 1: He Franklin Floyd and Susanne were married at the time
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Speaker 1: and when Michael was born, and he thought of Michael
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Speaker 1: as his son, and Nate in the interview room suggested
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Speaker 1: to Franklin that Michael was to replace Sharon. He was
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Speaker 1: going to be the new or the new Susanne, and
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Speaker 1: he wanted to raise Michael the same way he raised Suzanne.
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Speaker 1: But he realized that he had a ton of law
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Speaker 1: enforce the people breathing down his neck on the day
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Speaker 1: of that kidnapping, and he decided in his depraved mind
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Speaker 1: to murder Michael on the same day he kidnapped him.
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Speaker 1: Where does the case stand it now, Scotlaw. The case
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Speaker 1: is closed. The case is closed, although there is I
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Speaker 1: will tell you there's one question I would love to
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Speaker 1: go back and sit down and talk to him about,
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Speaker 1: and that is the death of Susanne on the side
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Speaker 1: of the road in Okhoma City in nineteen ninety. I
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Speaker 1: wanted three questions answered, and the first one was is
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Speaker 1: who was Sharon Marshall and we now know it Susanne's
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Speaker 1: a bagas And then I want to know how and
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Speaker 1: why he killed Michael. And the third one was why
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Speaker 1: why did you kill Susanne in nineteen ninety And he
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Speaker 1: just wouldn't talk about it. And the only thing I
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Speaker 1: can think of is he was with her for so long,
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Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy four, seventy five all the way till
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Speaker 1: the time he killed her in nineteen ninety that there
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Speaker 1: he felt the only thing can think of as he
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Speaker 1: saw a connection to her, and that killing her immediately
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Speaker 1: produced some type of regret for his actions in him.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that because he won't talk about it. Well,
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Speaker 1: do you have any doubt that he killed her? She's
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Speaker 1: found by the side of the road. Do you have
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Speaker 1: any doubt that he killed her? No, and let's go
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Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher, our medical examiner out of Florida.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she died from a crushing blow to the head.
39:24
Speaker 1: Can't can't you tell as a medical examiner whether that
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Speaker 1: was from a wreck, a hit and run, or from
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Speaker 1: a blow to the head. It can generally be determined generally,
39:36
Speaker 1: if you're hit by a car, not only do you
39:38
Speaker 1: have head injuries, you know you have rib fractures, you
39:41
Speaker 1: have leg fractures. You know your back is broken. You
39:44
Speaker 1: know all your organs are lacerated in some way their damage.
39:48
Speaker 1: You know, a typical single blow to the back of
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Speaker 1: the head is usually an assault. You know, someone comes
39:55
Speaker 1: up behind you and hit you in the back of
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Speaker 1: the head with a large object to baseball back, an
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Speaker 1: act something like that. So, yet the medical examiner can
40:07
Speaker 1: determine whether you were hit by a car or assaulted
40:11
Speaker 1: in a homicidal manner. So this guy who kidnaps a
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Speaker 1: six year old girl takes her away from her mother,
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Speaker 1: marries her, rapes her, ultimately murders her to leave her
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Murders her son Michael
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Speaker 1: after kidnapping him from first grade. Murders Cheryl Knesso, a stripper.
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Speaker 1: He's still alive. He's got three hots and a cot
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Speaker 1: on the Florida Death Row. Franklin, Delano, Floyd or whoever
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Speaker 1: you really are, wrought in hell. This guy. We would
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Speaker 1: never have known the truth without former FBI Special Agent
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Speaker 1: Scott wob Nancy Grace Cronstoice signing off goodbye friend. No