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How Toxin Exposure Turns Into Chronic Disease with Dr. Thomas Levy · Age Defiantly with Mark Young

• 0:00
  There is only one cause of disease, and that's the oxidation that's induced by toxins. And in fact, that's what defines a toxin. Something is not toxic unless it results in the oxidation or loss of electrons in different biomolecules in the body. Literally, the only thing that causes oxidative stress are...
• 0:19
  Oxidative stress is coming from so many different areas. I mean, breathing itself is causing oxidative stress. Like thinking too hard, doing math problems causes oxidative stress. Like all of these things are causing oxidative stress. So it's not as if a person is going to live without it. The goal is to minimize as much as you can, obviously. But the minimization of oxidative stress is so that your immune system can always keep up.
• 0:45
  What are the things that the average person needs to look for in terms of toxicity? An incredibly important but little recognized toxin is...
• 0:56
  There's a thousand peer-reviewed studies on vitamin C in medical literature, and most physicians have never read them. Well, my guest today has read all of them. Dr. Thomas Levy is a board-certified cardiologist and bar-certified attorney. I always mire multiple graduate degrees. We spent 15 years practicing adult cardiology and then watched something happen in a dental office that changed everything.
• 1:22
  He watched greatly ill patients recover markedly after properly administered vitamin C. He went into the published literature to understand why, and he found that the evidence had been there for decades. It was hiding in plain sight.
• 1:38
  He has since written 13 books on the subject. I had one similar book here. He's also been inducted into the Orthomolecular Medical Hall of Fame. He's a technical advisor to Live On Labs. He lectures to medical professionals around the world, and he has spent decades.
• 1:58
  making the case for one of the most radical and most evidence-supported theses in modern medicine, that all diseases are different forms and degrees of the exact same underlying problem, increased oxidative stress, and that optimizing the body's antioxidant cystos, particularly through vitamin C, addresses that problem after root. This is not a conversation about supplements.
• 2:24
  This is a paradigm conversation. Let's go. Dr. Levy, thank you so much for joining us here today. Our podcast is called Age Defiantly, and I would arguably say you're doing exactly that. So we want to know these secrets and...
• 2:40
  As I was going through your book, The Only Cause of Disease, I was just kind of thumbing through this beforehand. And I'm like, my gosh, like you literally just go chapter by chapter through all major, I'd say, vitamins, supplements, minerals, whatever that is that we're talking about chapter by chapter.
• 2:58
  And it's fascinating to me because in this world, we're currently here at the Changing Life Destiny Conference in Plano, Texas. And outside of this room, there's 100 vendors who have every modern technology and frequency and EMS, PENF.
• 3:17
  You know, I see peptides all over the place and GLPs that are being administered through chewing gum. You're not talking about all this super fancy stuff. Like, you're a back to the basics. And correct me if I'm wrong there, but the conversations you're having are about understanding the potencies of just the things that we've, again, like the introduction said, have been hiding here in plain sight.
• 3:45
  Pretty much so. An interesting thing about medicine and biology in general is so many of the things we do have a great deal of complication and involvement and technical detail, but there are some underlying premises in biology that are exceptionally simple. Okay. Now, it's not always easy to restore the patient to that simplicity, but the fact of the matter is that defines the target well.
• 4:14
  like the title of the book, The Only Cause of Disease. Well, that's intended to be provocative. How could there only be one cause of disease? Well, in fact, there is only one cause of disease, and that's the oxidation that's induced by toxins. And in fact, that's what defines a toxin. Something is not toxic unless it results...
• 4:34
  in the oxidation or loss of electrons in different biomolecules in the body. You know, RNA, DNA, protein, sugars, fats, enzymes, structural molecules, especially the smaller biomolecules, when they lose an electron, they become inactive. They no longer work. So you take active metabolic players and turn them into inactive pieces that just get in the way of everything else. And the more that you get...
• 5:02
  One biomolecule and another biomolecule, a different concentration, a different location. All those different varieties of inactivity define the disease state. So we hear a lot about oxidative stress and disease. I want to unpack that. Okay, it's done, but go ahead and go ahead. And if you go online, PubMed, and you type in any disease name and then type in the expression oxidative stress, every disease you'll see has increased oxidative stress.
• 5:32
  And that's well established. But what happens is the authors often say, well, this means oxidative stress causes disease. Close, but not accurate. The oxidative stress is the disease. The moment you bring in enough antioxidants and stop bringing in new toxins that are oxidizing new biomolecules, you cure conditions. You cure conditions that are considered incurable.
• 5:55
  100% I'm on board with you. And I want to unpack this idea of oxidative stress real quick, though, because I think it's a word that gets thrown around a lot. Absolutely. And yet the average person doesn't know really what that means.
• 6:08
  So oxidative stress, as you're talking about it, obviously the loss of electrons in a molecule, which yes, but deeper than that, I think the causes of oxidative stress are something that people don't really pay attention to. And that is, I mean, oxidative stress is caused at a cellular level just by breathing.
• 6:26
  Like, I don't think people realize that just living alone causes oxidative stress, right? Well, there's physiological oxidative stress. I mean, so yeah, whatever you're exposed to over time wears you down. Well, and the, I mean, literally the definition of longevity, as I put it, is that is your body's repair system needs to be able to outrun the oxidative stress that you're putting out of the body. Pretty much. And as long as your repair system is able to outrun the oxidative stress, you're healthy.
• 6:53
  And the minute the balance tips, that's when disease and death starts to happen. It's a simplified definition. No question. And the other interesting thing that a point I try to make in the book is literally the only thing that causes oxidative stress are pro-oxidants that take electrons away, which are toxins. All right. So really, if you lived in a toxin-free world,
• 7:21
  You'd live your duration of lifespan completely healthy until you reach the end of your lifespan, and then you die. You wouldn't have total numbers of diseases in the process. And this is significant because...
• 7:35
  That begs the question, what are the main toxins to be concerned with? All right. And in the book, I define three different categories that I would submit to you account for well over 95% of all diseases on the planet, except for third world starving populations. So we're talking about populations that are quote unquote well fed. Yeah, first. All right. All right. And that is...
• 8:02
  pathogens, accumulated heavy metals, and spike protein. Those three things together. I hate the fact that you said spike protein is probably going to get a shadow band on social media. Go ahead. Hey, it's a real entity. You're not. It's a real entity. And the things that produce the most problems are pathogens. Yeah.
• 8:22
  Pathogen metabolism produces exotoxins, endotoxins, toxic metabolic byproducts. Really, the only reason you get sick when you have an infection is the fact that it's producing toxins that you have to deal with. And what's even making it worse is when the pathogens finally die, they release large amounts of free iron. Now, iron is a nutrient only at a very low amount.
• 8:47
  Above that low amount, it's one of the most toxic substances on the planet because it's a primary redox, reduction oxidation molecules that make sure...
• 8:58
  Given molecules lose their electrodes. So the more iron you have inside a cell, the greater the oxidative stress. And that oxidative stress, when you push it about a certain level, is what kills the cell. And then you end up in this vicious cycle of you end up with a pathogen that has been, even when it heals, releasing iron, which is causing more oxidative stress, which is causing more sickness. Correct. And with the case with the pathogens, as it turns out, this is an interesting sequence. Right.
• 9:25
  The lion's share of pathogens that ultimately cause heart disease, breast cancer, incidentally, heart disease and breast cancer, together by themselves account for more than 50% of deaths. So those are two biggies. You directly go to the mouth.
• 9:41
  Root canals are 100% infected. Many other teeth that are asymptomatic, this is where you need proper diagnostics, have chronic abscesses. Okay. Then you have chronically infected gums and occultly infected tonsils because the tonsils drain those infected teeth. You need to address all four of those if you're going to have any chance of getting somebody infected.
• 10:05
  with a chronic disease, cancer or otherwise, on the road back. Well, so you mentioned something in there that I thought was interesting because it reminded me of something I'd heard related to oral surgery, that there's so many dentists and herodontists that are so eager in some respects, like the idea of root canals and the ideas of pulling teeth and root canals and all of these other things that are taking place in our mouths, and yet our mouths tend to be one of the most septic areas of our body,
• 10:35
  actually worse than your rectum. Agreed. In terms of flora and fauna and pathogens. And yet the idea is that you're performing an oral surgery and opening up the entire system to that septic area. And the comparison that was made once I heard was, would you allow somebody to do surgery on any other part of your body in a non-sterile environment? Okay.
• 11:01
  But you would never open your chest to do heart surgery in the middle of a garbage dunk. And yet it doesn't matter how sterile you get your mouth. Your mouth is still a septic environment, partially by design. No, absolutely. And I mean, by design, yes. But a lot of times there's a lot of care that's taking place that the biome is not performing the way it should either. But the reality is, and it always surprises me, how oral health is not something that people pay as much attention to as they should.
• 11:31
  And it's the most important. I like to say, and it riles up some people, but I'll stick to it. The worst thing you can do for your health...
• 11:40
  is to have and see and utilize on a regular basis a mainstream traditional dentist. But the best thing for you can do for your health is to have a properly trained biologic dentist that appreciates the connection, the incalculable connection between your head and the rest of your body. I don't know why it surprises so many people to think that an infection in your mouth can't be destroying your health. But if you had a gangrenous part of your body, you'd obviously get cut it off right away.
• 12:10
  or resolve it because it's going to poison the rest of your body. But how dentistry is performed is at the top of the list for determining how healthy you are and how long you live. I was just listening last night, Urs, I forget the gentleman's name, who was sharing the fact there was a panel discussion here last night. And one of the comments was that statistically they had longitudinal studies that show that people who floss daily live a year and a half longer.
• 12:35
  I mean, so something as simple as dental floss gives you a year and a half extra life. You know, it's interesting, and I got to jump in when you mentioned floss, because there's no question there are untold articles in the literature. They like to say correlation, relation. No, this is cause and effect, but they won't say that. Right. Where you have inflamed or infected gums and every doggone disease under the sun, because
• 13:02
  They're growing these pathogens. They're going throughout your body. They're seeding different tissues. And the thing is, is... And I freak out some dentists when I say this, but they ultimately see the reasoning and they come along to accept it is...
• 13:17
  Flossing is not a great idea versus water pick. Okay. I mean, if you get your hands dirty, do you scrape them clean? No, you use water and you wash them clean. That's number one. Number two is floss doesn't get into the gums. That's right. All right. All it does is take out something, block it between the teeth. So, but if you do a water pick with a little bit of hydrogen peroxide in the, in the, and
• 13:43
  do the gums, you not only prevent new gum disease, you start resolving even advanced periodontal disease because that's what causes the periodontal disease that the pathogens living between the tooth and the gum as it descends down the tooth. Beneath the surface.
• 14:00
  Answer me this. I'm curious because you just mentioned hydrogen peroxide, right? And the hydrogen peroxide when I grew up, that was like Windex in a Greek family, right? They have hydrogen peroxide you used on everything. It didn't matter what happened. You put hydrogen peroxide on it. And yet later, probably not that long ago, I had had a cut and I'm always exploring new things. And it came to my attention through my own novice research on the topic.
• 14:28
  That it's a terrible thing to put hydrogen peroxide on a wound if the wound is not known to be infected. And I thought, well, that's really interesting because the hydrogen peroxide also kills new growth tissue. That's correct. So why would it not? Now, I actually will swish with, you know, a cap of hydrogen peroxide in my mouth and swish it around and spit it out. But I don't maybe once a week or something. And I don't do that every day. It's going to happen. That's terrible. Yeah.
• 14:58
  Is that not also true of people that are suffering from periodontal disease and stuff like that? Would it also kill that new growth if you're actually- No, there's no root taking place if it's colonized with pathogens. That's the whole point. You're taking the peroxide to knock out the pathogens
• 15:13
  And then once you reach that point in time, then you don't need to do the peroxide on a regular basis. I mean, you're absolutely right. When you have an infected wound, the hydrogen peroxide will wipe out the pathogens. And then if you continue to do it, yes, the oxidizing impact of the peroxide will affect new tissue growth.
• 15:31
  It's like, well, hydrogen peroxide nebulization, which is something I talk about a lot. If you nebulize and you have a little cold going on, for most people, it's very free and very easy and feels great. And then the second or third time you do it, after you've knocked out the path, it just, now it starts to sting a little bit of this out of the other. Well, that's, you've knocked out the path, and now you're getting, I know it, and I'm a more cold, you're not. But an important thing when you're talking about,
• 15:59
  Oh, just this sterilizing agent when you grew up. I like to point out that we have water, H2O. We have oxygen, O2. And we have hydrogen peroxide, which is H2O2. It's one of the most natural substances that exists in your body. Roughly 5% of the oxygen that you inhale with every breath gets turned into hydrogen peroxide inside your body. And...
• 16:25
  Whenever you get any pathogen challenge breathing in and in your airways,
• 16:33
  your epithelial cells inside your lungs automatically pushes and secretes hydrogen peroxide into the airspace to deal with those pathogens. Which is just part of your immune response. Part of your immune response and all you're doing when you're doing all these other things that you're just supporting an immune response that might have been already overwhelmed by the degree of the infection or infectious challenge. I got to say this, just as context.
• 16:58
  In Columbia, South America, I have family and friends there. I happen to give a friend a nebulization machine and a bottle of ordinary Walmart hydrogen peroxide. Costs less than a dollar. Yeah.
• 17:15
  And I gave it to her because she was having a cold and she got better so quick. She said, oh, don't leave. Leave the machine with me. Well, it's $30 machine, $1 worth of proxite. I said, sure, keep it. And this was at the beginning of the COVID epidemic, pandemic. Well,
• 17:33
  She lived near an extremely poor burial. I mean, nobody had enough money for anything. So they didn't have money for vitamin C. They didn't have money for vitamin D. They didn't have money for anything. And she came across, over a six-month period, 20 different individuals that...
• 17:50
  had advanced COVID. They were already severely short of breath. I mean, if you recall back in the day, severely short of breath, you could be five seconds away from packing it in. And she started all of them on hydrogen peroxide nebulization, 3%.
• 18:09
  A half an hour a day. Okay. And in five days, all 20 were completely cured. So that was using hydrogen peroxide as a monotherapy. That's something I could have never done in the States. You know, you got to give them everything you have available. But this was able to prove.
• 18:27
  the incredible capacity of hydrogen peroxide, not only to deal with infections, but also to prove the fact that although your whole body is sick, this is the seeding area. This is the growth area. If you keep things down and out and knocked out, then it's like, as I said, chopping the head off the infectious snake, and then the body is free to mop up the rest of the infection. So it's pretty impressive stuff.
• 18:52
  Well, yes, and I would say that there's an overload that tips us in that direction, that we're exposed to pathogens on a daily basis. We're exposed to every breath we take, like everything we do is trying to kill us in some respect, and our body has an immune response. So I want to talk about two things and have you unpack these for us. And the first one is I want to go back to what we talked about with oxidative stress, because saying that it's, you know, stealing electrons from molecules.
• 19:20
  is Greek to the average person.
• 19:23
  But oxidative stress is coming from so many different areas. I mean, breathing itself is causing oxidative stress. Like thinking too hard, doing math problems causes oxidative stress. Like all of these things are causing oxidative stress. So it's not as if a person is going to live without it. No, the goal is to minimize as much as you can, obviously. But the minimization of oxidative stress is so that your immune system can always keep up.
• 19:53
  Correct. Secondarily, I want to talk about when oxidative stress surpasses your immune system's capability to mop up the damage. Correct.
• 20:03
  How do we support the immune system to let it go the extra mile? And that's where I want to go because this is not a do this, not this. This is a do this and this. Minimize oxidative stress and support your immune system so that they never do get out of balance. That the immune system always has the adders on the amount of oxidative stress that your body is coping with. Thus, and it needs extra capacity outside of oxidative stress because if it's a tie...
• 20:32
  The next pathogen that comes in, there you go, takes hold. That there needs to be margin on the immune system to deal with the outliers. My mentor 30 years ago, an incredible biological dentist by the name of Dr. Hal Huggins, we were discussing these concepts once and it was early in my training, if you will, in my realization, if you will,
• 20:55
  And he looked a little frustrated at me. I was talking about this because we're talking about, you know, repairing molecules and what vitamin C can do to repair oxidized biomolecules. And he looked at me, he said, Tom, I say, yes, sir. So you can't dry off while you're still in the shower.
• 21:11
  Hmm. Okay. So it's not enough to repair. You got to turn off the water or the new toxins that are coming in. And if you don't address both ends of this, you're never going to have complete success. I mean, there's a lot of people, if they take enough vitamin C, they'll feel better, but they're still losing the gain.
• 21:28
  if they haven't identified or aware of the toxins that are continuing to be produced or continuing to be exposed to that are not being neutralized from all the sources that I mentioned, that needs to be addressed. But then magic starts happening. If you start and you properly identify toxic sources and on a high-quality antioxidant regimen,
• 21:50
  Things that quote-unquote modern medicine says are incurable are quite curable, okay? So what about you? We know the word toxin, and I know everybody knows antioxidants, and the problem is I'm convinced that most people think that means blueberries. But...
• 22:06
  What are the most common toxins that you think are exposed to us? Because I would say in an audience like we look like we're in today, I think everybody could rattle off 17 of them. What are the things that the average person needs to look for in terms of toxicity? Well, yeah.
• 22:22
  As you said, I mean, we're thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of toxins out there. Okay. And this is what puzzled me a long time ago was I knew already ahead of time that if you took a large dose of intravenous vitamin C, you could neutralize any toxin.
• 22:38
  And I said, how can one simple molecule neutralize any of thousands of different toxins that you're exposed to? And I said, it has to be that there's a final common denominator of toxicity in all toxins, which is its ability to oxidize, take an electrode away. But more importantly, or just as importantly, it takes an electrode away.
• 23:00
  and it keeps it. The toxin is biologically unstable until it takes an electron in, then it becomes stable, and it doesn't give up the electrons. So at the same time, it's oxidizing a biomolecule. It's decreasing the electron pool in the body. It's decreasing the amount of electrons that are available to be distributed by vitamin C and other things like this.
• 23:23
  So that was an important point for me to realize because I said, well, there has to be a common denominator and it is, it's the toxicity. It's the ability, the mandatory ability to oxidize. If it doesn't oxidize, it's not a toxic. So then it became a matter of let's identify what the most common toxins are. And those, as I mentioned before, uniformly from packages, okay, and
• 23:48
  And it's important to differentiate pathogens from just regular microorganisms. I mean, your gut has far more microorganisms than you have cells in your body. And if you haven't brought in an oxidative stress to alter the microbiome, those are doing good functions for you. They're metabolizing, they're supporting immune function. But a pathogen is, shall we say, a unique microorganism that has a different metabolism that, as I mentioned before, feeds on iron.
• 24:18
  It's interesting. Pathogens and catheters both feed on iron, which is another reason why, in addition to its ability to oxidize, that iron is so toxic because it actively supports the growth of cancer and actively supports the growth of pathogens. In fact, some of the...
• 24:34
  antibiotics that are more effective than the others. I'm not crazy about antibiotics, not when you have vitamin C available properly, but many antibiotics have natural iron chelating abilities. So they're actually taking iron out of the picture and allow your immune system to kick in and start your recovery. Which is incredible. And I think too many people suffer from an iron deficiency. And that's another conversation.
• 25:02
  Only iron deficiency if they're anemic. If they have enough blood, they've got more than enough iron. Right. So what are the common forms of oxidative stress and toxins? I mean, because again, I want to go back to what are the toxins that people should be able to avoid? There's 100,000 of them out there, I understand. But there are some things in our homes, in our environments, in our circles of influences, our workplaces, where this level of toxicity is greater than in others.
• 25:30
  Sure. And this brings up the point, I mean, yes, we're living in a cesspool of toxins these days. Don't doubt about it. And so you can't go identifying a thousand different toxins and eliminate. You have to identify the major ones and limit that. As I like to say, if you live next to a pesticide factory, I mean, you're going to get sick because you've got nothing to do with these other toxins. But, you know, air, food, water.
• 25:57
  That has to be your main goal. You can't avoid those things. No, you can't avoid them, but you can concentrate and make those as pure as possible. Okay. Your food and your air and your water. So air purifier type things. Air purifier type things. Also, it's going to sound like a little deviation, but it's not, is...
• 26:19
  An incredibly important but little recognized toxin is antimony, a potent heavy metal as toxic as arsenic. In a study in 1999 on patients with very large advanced congestive cardiomyopathy on the transplant list, they did biopsies on the muscle and they found inside the muscle tissues of these advanced cardiomyopathies
• 26:44
  2,000 fold, that's 2 million percent more mercury inside those cells than others. That's number one. And number two, it was a thousand fold more antimony or 1 million percent more antimony. Now, where's your big exposure to antimony? They use antimony trioxide to make plastic for the plastic bottles that you drink water out of. Okay. Yeah.
• 27:08
  Start using glass every change you get for everything. Okay. And if at all possible, it's interesting. I live in Columbia, South America. All the bottled water is in glass. What's the matter with the United States? Give us glass bottles. Give us glass containers. I was actually watching something the other day, and they were talking about people who were drinking out of cans.
• 27:30
  Because the can is better than a plastic bottle. And yet... I think so, yes. No, they actually are. They can't find the can open. And they showed what it looks like inside the can. And that is the beverage itself is not actually touching the aluminum of the can at all. So, I mean, it's aluminum. It's actually plastic lined.
• 27:50
  So you're kidding yourself that you're drinking out of a can and some plastic bottle because there's just plastic lining the inside of the can. And it's like, you think you're doing all the right stuff. And I laughed because I was on a call. When I was a kid, Coca-Cola was in bottles. In a glass bottle, right? So I mean, I was laughing because I was pointing out some of the incongruencies that take place throughout our lives because we try to do the one thing and try to do the next thing. And I'm one of those people who tries to do it all. Mm-hmm.
• 28:18
  And then ends up causing oxidative stress, you know, in myself, because I'm worried about everything I'm getting wrong. Sure. And so my father and I actually co-teach an executive health program once a month. And we were on the phone with this group, and he made a comment on the call. He actually was just like, well, you'll see, I'm drinking out of a copper water bottle. I don't drink out of the plastic water bottle. And I was like, yeah, I drink out of a copper water bottle, too. And I'm like...
• 28:46
  Did you refill it out of the plastic water cooler in the office kitchen? And he started laughing and he's like, yeah. Well, I'm glad you put it into copper. So he left it in there long enough for the copper to have any benefit. But I was just watching something the other day about the copper water bottles are lined.
• 29:05
  So it's copper on the outside, not on the inside. And it's like we're psyching ourselves into believing some of this stuff. But I agree with you. Plastic water bottles of even the water filtration system that I have at my house pours into a plastic pitcher.
• 29:22
  And I sit there sometimes just going, I'm going to such lengths to filter every single bit of water that I take into my home. And it's in a plastic pitcher that I pour into another plastic pitcher before I put it in the refrigerator. And I'm like...
• 29:38
  I'm kidding myself that I'm doing any good. And then I logically go, well, no, if there were 10 toxins in the water, I eliminated eight of them, like, you know, whatever the numbers are. There's no reason realizing this not to go get a glass container for the pitchers.
• 29:53
  100% agree. Well, other than the device itself actually is a plastic filtration device. But I agree with you on the air purification systems to keep that as clean as possible. I think that's obvious. I think food is a big thing. And not only does the air purification, if you get the right one, it also diminishes to an insignificant capacity the pathogens that you're encounter to as well. Correct. And the necessity of changing filters.
• 30:19
  Sure. Because I think that's another problem. I'm terrible about it, to be honest with you. Water that we're showering in for most people is not filtered, which means I'm super excited because I took all of my drinking water and poured it into my plastic pitcher before I'd mug it. But I'm also showering myself every morning in unfiltered water that's coming from city water systems. Like we're just surrounded by the stuff, the food we eat.
• 30:49
  You know, the necessity of eating whole, organic, grass fed, grass finished, like all of these things to get all these toxins out. You know, I say like the celiac pandemic that seems to be all over the place. And I've heard other researchers actually talking about everybody talks about how they're allergic to gluten. It's a gluten intolerance, gluten intolerance, gluten intolerance would in fact affect.
• 31:13
  There's several research out that they're going, gluten is not a problem. The issue is there are some people who have a higher level of glyphosate sensitivity. That gluten isn't it. It's that the gluten is bound to pesticides that are actually causing this intolerance beyond the gluten.
• 31:30
  And again, we can live these restrictive lifestyles. We can, you know. Let me point out something here, too. And I mean, when you're old enough and you see how things were in the 50s versus now, I mean, there was a lot of coctions back in the 50s, but not...
• 31:47
  even close to the amount of toxins we're exposed to now. I mean, our toxins are going up astronomically, but our antioxidant intake is not. All right? Yeah. And this brings me to something that this is the reason for our obesity epidemic. Okay? Is...
• 32:07
  Whenever you have toxins in the bloodstream, the body wants to neutralize those toxins with antioxidants. Okay. And the body always has compensatory mechanisms to try to make up for something that is lacking. So what happens when you have an enormous amount of toxins in your blood, but there's not enough vitamin C and other quality antioxidants to neutralize them? Then the body says, capsulates them. I have to put it in storage. Mm-hmm.
• 32:33
  And that's, and the storage is fat. Yeah. Okay. But clip this around, and this might shock a lot of people, but I'm going to tell you one of your best health interventions.
• 32:49
  I'll repeat that. One of your best health interventions, and unless you have a unique susceptibility like nausea or something like this, is a low dose oral GLP-1. Okay. Because you know what the GLP-1s do? Well, first of all, I got to say this. The GLP-1s without anything else.
• 33:10
  decrease all-cause mortality. Now that's, you can't beat a study of anything. If it decreases your chance of dying and your symptoms, that's a biggie. Now, the other thing is, is,
• 33:23
  The thing is, is the two main metabolic functions of a GLP-1 is to raise your resting insulin level. And at the same time, by an independent mechanism where glycogen breaks down into glucose, a lower glucose. So you have increased insulin. And aside from the effect of the insulin, you have decreased glucose. Now, before I tell you, the next part is the primary way that vitamin C gets inside the cell.
• 33:52
  is by using the glucose transporters induced by insulin because glucose and vitamin C are near identical molecules. Very, very close. So when you have a large amount of glucose, not much vitamin C, insulin is pulling glucose into the cell. And vice versa.
• 34:08
  So what have we done here? Direct competition. We've raised the insulin, more insulin effect, and we've lowered the amount of the competitor of vitamin C to get inside the cell. Right. So when you're taking a GLP-1 and taking a good supplemental dose of vitamin C, you are supercharging your health.
• 34:24
  So I'm going to put two counterpoints in there, Fuara, because I'm a big fan of GLPs, big fan of GLP-3, even beyond GLP-1s. The GLP-1, I've got several concerns, and here's my thing. I agree with you. GLP-1 is probably the biggest breakthrough in science since penicillin. Yeah. I agree. 100% agree with that. Yeah.
• 34:47
  But I will say that there's also the necessity of responsible use of the GOP-1 because I don't think the majority of the population thinks of GOP-1 as being anything other than Wade Riddle. Well, of course not. The doctors too for that better. You're not wrong. And in that thing, what I want to point out is that what people don't realize is during times of accelerated fat loss or weight loss,
• 35:10
  all of the exact same pathogens and all of the exact same toxins that are stored in fat are now forced to be metabolized through the liver. Because as the fat goes away, those toxins are getting released. You're stealing my thunder. I'm sorry. I don't know. That's exactly right. And that's why if they ever did a study, and I don't know that they have, where they're looking at the side effects of GLP-1, I'm very certain that
• 35:40
  that they're occurring in the largest individuals with the most accelerated loss of fat. You're correct. They basically induces a chronic Herxheimer effect. So you're having a chronic flooding of toxins. And obviously, we've always said oxidative stress is disease. So if you're flooding the body with a lot of toxins, then if you are prone to pancreatitis already, you're going to get pancreatitis. This is why...
• 36:06
  Everything you said, I agree with 100%. And also part of my recommendation, what did I say? I said a very low dose oral GLP-1 along with a sizable dose of vitamin C. You're never going to have a side effect. You're just going to get a positive influx of vitamin C and TR yourself. And let me say this.
• 36:24
  The definition, my definition of a healthy cell, completely healthy cell, is when you have a completely normal level of vitamin C inside it. That defines a healthy cell. And the real problem with any protocol is how do I optimize vitamin C levels inside the cell and bring that oxidative stress down? Agreed.
• 36:46
  And where I was actually going to go, and it agrees with what you're saying, is that as these toxins are being released into the system, GLP-1s are causing hypertoxicity in a lot of people, and they're calling it side effects. Side effects. Well, there are side effects. It is. But it's just an excellent... They don't even know why. They think it's just some unique bad thing about the drug. No, it's what's the draw.
• 37:08
  Well, it's different than the people that are saying that GOP-1 causes hair loss. No, it's different than the people that are saying that GOP-1 causes hair loss. Your lack of nutrition because you quit eating while you were on a GOP-1 is causing your hair loss. But this toxicity is a concern for me because people who are living on these things long term...
• 37:24
  are willing to deal with whatever symptom or side effect takes place because the weight loss is that much more important to them. And I agree that weight loss, I'd rather be sick and skinny than sick and fat. So I'm glad to see what's the information we're talking about. If it gets out,
• 37:42
  That process is completely eliminated with a proper supplementation. That's exactly what I was going to say. When somebody's on GOP, it heightens their need for a high antioxidant diet or supplementation routine. Like the need for more antioxidants. That is obvious too. This also supports...
• 38:02
  Most of the medicine doctors and a lot of the public have no idea what orthomolecular medicine is. Orthomolecular medicine is the right molecule in the right amounts, orthomolecular, started by Dr. Linus Pauli.
• 38:15
  Everybody that doesn't know anything will tell you, yeah, vitamin C is good for you. Sure, vitamin C, blah, blah, blah. This highlights and shows physiologically that vitamin C is not only a great thing for you. It's the most important molecule that you could take and get inside your get inside your cells. That's not realized. I mean, it's so it's not it's a therapeutic agent, not just something that's good for you. And that's.
• 38:43
  I hope somewhere down the road, I've already written a paper on it on my website, TomLevyMD.com, read it, OrthoMolecular. I have over 100 different articles cited going into all of the science here. Hopefully this will trigger a realization of not only the importance of vitamins and minerals in general, but of the importance of vitamin C. Because if you get the vitamin C inside the cell,
• 39:10
  I want to clarify, we're not talking about, you know, eat an extra orange. Absolutely. That's the other thing too. Your tech is intravenous level vitamin C or oral overdose, if you will, of vitamin C.
• 39:25
  Physiologically, your body can't have too much vitamin C because it will expel anything that's extra. Not only that, and this is important too because when we're talking about supplements, oh, well, that's extra. If I take a diet, that's fine. Well, there are many, as you know, many wonderful supplements out there, but there's three most important. Why are they three most important? Because everybody on the planet is deficient in that. Number one is vitamin C.
• 39:51
  which you should be making in your liver, but you're not. Okay. With a genetic defect that we lost. Number two is magnesium. We have so many toxins we're exposed to that keeps expelling our magnesium. Nobody on the planet has a normal magnesium level. Just the healthiest ones have the smallest deficiencies. And number three is vitamin D3. Those three things...
• 40:14
  absolutely should be supplemented by everybody. You can make an argument against all the other ones. Okay. I don't know. It's the same three. Right. And again, I'll get into the vitamin D3 is a problem because most people are taking vitamin D3 or not taking it with a K2 compound. And magnesium literally is the, if people say, what is the one thing I should be taking? Magnesium. Yeah. It makes people go crazy when I talk all about vitamin C, but I said, if you had to pick one supplement, not that you should do that,
• 40:43
  It'd be magnesium. Absolutely. If you're stranded on the other one, then you only get one bottle. Magnesin deficiency by itself causes many diseases, and deficiency augments all other diseases. Yeah. Vitamin C, yeah, you need it. You need it, Ben. But if you take a large amount of other antioxidants, you could very partially compensate.
• 41:02
  Well, for that vitamin C deficiency, nothing compensates for magnesium deficiency other than magnesium. Correct. And magnesium, and there's multiple forms of magnesium, and we won't get into all those details. But magnesium itself is at a huge loss in most people's diets or supplement stacks or whatever that looks like. Talk to me quickly. We talked about vitamin C stack deficiency.
• 41:25
  and how this is important for an antioxidant diet. Obviously, you got into getting me censored by talking about COVID and spike proteins. Yes, we'll see. I was just branching it again, so it's twice. You work with a company called Live On Labs. All right.
• 41:43
  And I want to know more about what Livon specifically does and give you a plug for that. Sure. Livon is a supplement company. What is different about what Livon does that other supplement companies don't? Because literally this morning, I just interviewed Sean Wells. And Sean is one of the four horsemen of supplementation. And we had a whole conversation about what he calls transparency and vulnerability in supplement, I'd say formulations, but manufacturing.
• 42:13
  Talk about Livon. This is your moment. Shine about what Livon does differently. Well, Livon started 22 years ago. I've been with him about as a consultant for 20 years. And it was started by a really brilliant person who somehow in his own quest for heart health,
• 42:35
  taking lots of IV vitamin C. She said, well, I can't take IV vitamin C as much as I want to the rest of my life. I need to find a different way to get vitamin C inside his cells. And whoever he talked to were extremely knowledge about the literature. And they said, well, what about liposolts?
• 42:51
  And that was a brand new word. Nobody knew then what it means. Not that many people now know what it means. But the liposome is, in every essence, an artificial cell. And it was designed that way in the 1960s to make something that has a double lipid, bilipid membrane identical to the membranes of the cells inside your body. A lot of people hear about exosomes now. Okay. Okay.
• 43:17
  A liposome is a giant exosome. Basically, same thing. So when you take this, it gets virtually completely absorbed, very due to its size and due to this lipid nature. And once it gets inside the bloodstream,
• 43:32
  It goes up to a cell and because it has the same cell membrane as a cell, it breaks open and by a process called reverse pyrocytosis, merges in the cell wall, becomes part of the cell wall and deposits the contents inside.
• 43:48
  And it's also small enough so that by another mechanism, some of the liposomes go across larger pores in the cell and are able to do that same process on mitochondria and other intracellular organelles. So you get your product distributed everywhere. And what happened with LiveOn was, I mean, they knew I wrote a lot about vitamin C. So they contacted me one day and said, hey, we got this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 44:14
  Dr. Dumbass, I had no idea what a liposome was. I was just being solicited. So can we send you some? I said, sure, send me some. So they sent me some. That sort of threw it off in the corner. And I was in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I had just finished, closed my clinic at the time where I would get IV vitamin C. And I got a horrible case of the flu.
• 44:38
  And I didn't have my IV vitamin C. And I had my regular vitamin C. And I took so much regular vitamin C, of course, I was just sitting on the toilet, loose stool all the way, still feeling awful. And I remembered one thing that the people that live on told me. They said, this doesn't have a bowel effect. In other words, it gets so absorbed, it doesn't further aggravate things in your poll. And so I said, all right, I'll try. I got myself. And I opened five packs, that's five grams, and took it down.
• 45:06
  And then within 45 minutes to an hour, I felt better than I ever had taking a 50 gram vitamin C IV. And I said, I said, you must not be paying attention. What's going on? And I actually had to repeat that sort of scenario with a couple of other people before I said,
• 45:24
  Okay, get off your butt, hit the literature and figure out what a liposome is and why this is happening. And I since became a consultant to the company. But the real tragedy here is that we have this incredible supplementation. But because people take this and they feel better so quickly, they don't stop taking it.
• 45:46
  All the other supplement companies saw the success. There's so much fraud out there now where people just slap the word liposome on. And unless the Federal Trade Commission comes along and says, stop it, they're going to do it forever. I had one bottle said liposome vitamin C. And on the other side, it had ascorbital palmitate. Nothing at all to do with the liposome.
• 46:10
  The other problem is if you've never taken vitamin C and you're sick, you can take any of these other products and feel better because they have vitamin C in it. So it's very difficult to understand the fraud, except that when you have a severely ill patient, cancer, these things with the liposome for being able to get the vitamin C inside the cells...
• 46:31
  I mean, for a while we called it IV in a box. If you take enough of this, and I've had this own experience quite a few times with patients, with my wife with an infection, it's better than IV vitamin C, in my clinical opinion. Having said that, if I'm sick, I want both. I want IV vitamin C and I want the life of cells. But it's a phenomenal delivery system. The other thing to do is it's energy sparing.
• 46:58
  When you take vitamin C IV, it's in the reduced state. Okay. And in the reduced state, the only way vitamin C gets inside the cell is by active transport. So you need to consume ATP to get it in.
• 47:12
  The liposome vitamin C gets in without consuming any energy at all. So that's the energy dynamics of the body. If you can get something from point A to point B without consuming energy in the process, you're way ahead of the health game. Well, and what a lot of people may not realize is that when you're ill, everything you can do to push the energy to the immune system is different.
• 47:33
  And not use up energy on some of the, yeah, but yeah, these show need to be using. Absolutely. Dr. Lee, what a fun conversation, to be honest with you. Like, I love that we covered so much, but I think you got deep on some of this stuff too. And your expertise is absolutely obvious. I love that. I can't wait to actually dig in and read this book because I promise you I will, because I love this stuff. It's ridiculous. You'll want to have a few more podcasts after you go through.
• 47:56
  I probably will. You're not wrong. We'll set those up afterwards. Thank you so much for joining us here today on Age Defiantly. For information about Dr. Tom Levy and Live On Labs, you can actually look down at the show notes beneath this video. I encourage you to go check out what they're doing.
• 48:13
  I think too often we avoid some of the obvious solutions. We're reaching for these super complicated explanations. You're talking about vitamin C, right? That's not new information for people to know the vitamin C is good for you and it affects the immune system. What's maybe more complicated and more deep scientific is the way it's being delivered through this liposomal technology, which is different.
• 48:36
  And in fact, as you're saying, it doesn't require the energy expression the way that other vitamin C's would or whatnot. But I'll encourage you to take a look at it. Vitamin C therapy has actually been used in chronic illness for a very long time, albeit usually in a functional standing, not by Western medicine.
• 48:56
  but take a look. I encourage it. It's useful in so many different areas. And while you're at it, let's reduce some of that toxicity that's going on in our environments, right? I make the commitment to get rid of my plastic pitcher that I make iced tea in. You go do what you need to do to change things in your life. And we look forward to seeing you next time on age defined.