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🚨 SILVER and COPPER Don't Work WITHOUT THIS 🚨 - IberAmerican CEO Campbell Becher · SILVER / GOLD / $UFD Meme Coin Investing & Global Economics

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  Without tin, you can't connect electronics, you can't have
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  solar panelling, and the only substitute for for solder is
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  lead. And as we all know, lead is
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  toxic. So when they replace lead solder
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  with tin, it certainly opened up everything for electrification.
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  It's basically the glue that keeps electronic components
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  together. Good morning, everybody.
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  My name is Campbell Beecher, CEO of Iber American Resources.
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  Happy to be here on the show and thank you for having me.
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  Yeah, well, it's a big honor for us to have you here.
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  Today, Campbell, because your company is involved in a move
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  into the 10 mining sector and I didn't know this, but 10.
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  Is actually a real. Critical Metal.
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  As the world is. Facing this green technology
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  green energy revolution, the AI technology revolution, I had no.
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  Idea. How critical. 10 is.
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  Can you, can you share with us kind of what the role is of 10?
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  Yeah, of course. Yeah.
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  So what got me very, very excited about 10 was I
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  previously used, I previously used to be CEO of an investment
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  bank called Byron Capital Markets in Toronto, Canada.
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  We had offices in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, and my
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  head of research was a guy by the name of Doctor John
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  Hickaway, who's a PhD nuclear physicist.
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  So he would write all sorts of macro reports and he, the one
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  that interested me the most was this macro report he wrote on
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  tin. And this was back in 2012.
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  So I've been really a tin bug for a very, very long time,
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  because without tin you can't connect electronics, you can't
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  have solar panelling, and the only substitute for for solder
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  is lead. And as we all know, lead is
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  toxic. So when they replace lead solder
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  with tin, it certainly opened up everything for electrification.
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  It's basically the glue that keeps electronic components
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  together. Wow.
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  That is, that is. Fascinating.
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  And what's even more fascinating to me is, you know, my, my
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  community, our viewer who's joining us today in this
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  conversation is likely a metals bug, right?
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  A gold bug? A silver bug, All that we hear
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  about. When it comes to the the green
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  energy revolution specifically. It feels like.
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  Copper and. Silver get all the.
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  Headlines, but you're you're telling me that a solar panel
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  has a fair amount of tin in it as well?
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  Solar panels. Solar panels won't work without
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  tin because you've got to connect the panelling together
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  and all the electronic pieces. Semiconductors won't work
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  because you have to connect the tin to make the circuit boards
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  work. So 10 is a a necessary evil in
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  anything to do with electrification.
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  Wow, fascinating. And I, I know there's a clip
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  going around from everyone knows Rick Rule in the metal sector
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  and he called, I'm going to quote him here.
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  He said 10 is the forgotten energy transition material.
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  OK. Real quick, 10 Adam wants to
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  know what's Rick's outlook for 10 price and equities over the
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  next 5 to 10 years? Tin is the forgotten energy
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  transition material. I I mean the tin price has done
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  well in the last two years. I think tin continues to do well
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  to the extent that there is ever any need to slaughter anything
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  for electricity, tin will do well.
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  It's the best substance in the world.
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  Tin production is fairly constrained too.
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  So as we as we look. Forward here into the next,
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  let's say 10 years and this, I mean, the, the number of solar
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  panels alone being produced in India and China are astounding.
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  I've been covering that a lot lately.
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  It looks like the prospects are good for.
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  For 10. Yeah, I think we're looking very
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  good there. Semiconductor business as you
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  see with NVIDIA, you know, trading at all time highs, you
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  know that's another market. AI is a huge business for us.
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  You know, like I said, anything to do with electrification, you
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  you can't get away from it. Wow, fascinating.
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  And and and I honestly had no. Idea That was the case six weeks
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  ago. And I I think.
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  A lot of people. Like this is not front page
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  news, right? This is kind of buried in the
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  back, but could could present a real, you know, interesting
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  investment scenario. Yeah.
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  And I think it's getting some momentum.
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  I think one of the the tougher palms tin faces is, you know,
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  the gods have a sense of humor. They put they put these
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  resources in some of the worst places globally with conflict,
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  whether it's the Congo or China. So it's very hard to get to it.
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  So when we had this project in Spain, we found we found this
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  project with my eyes lit up. I'm like, Oh my God, a first
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  world country with first world infrastructure, non conflict.
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  So, you know, all the OE Ms. are like, you know, clamouring for
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  it. You know, Apple was clamoring
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  for non conflict metals. So for them, it's very tough to
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  find good clean geopolitical metals as well, which is a big
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  part of this because security supply is a massive, massive
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  issue, especially when we're talking about the powerhouses
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  like China. China doesn't want to export
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  tin. Taiwan doesn't want to export
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  it. You know, Malaysia doesn't want
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  to export the tin. People, if they have these great
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  resources, they want to hold on to them for themselves.
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  Right. Well, because like you said
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  earlier, it is literally the glue.
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  That that connects all the other metals, that connects the
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  copper, that connects the the. Silver together is it?
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  Is it? True that, China.
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  Is the. World's biggest consumer of 10.
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  But also the world's biggest producer that they actually
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  produce a lot. Of 10, but consume even more.
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  Yeah, them in Malaysia for sure, Yeah, are definitely the biggest
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  consumers. Well, China's definitely the
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  biggest consumer. There's no doubt about that.
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  And you know, the Chinese, I mean they certainly like to what
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  they did with the rare earth market, you know, they, they
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  like to lock down these commodities and they're not
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  thinking sort of a year ahead, they're thinking 100 years
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  ahead. So I think that's the the
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  strategy, those geopolitical strategies that are coming into
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  play now is, you know, how can we lock in security of supply
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  for a long time. OK.
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  OK. So, so you and your company are
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  doing some exciting things in the in the 10 market, in the 10
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  mining sector. We're gonna get to that.
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  I want to touch finally on one more point though, regarding the
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  price of 10. How has the price of 10 been
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  behaving as of late? So it's the price of 10.
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  It's I think it's one of the top performing medals, certainly top
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  three performing medals. You know, about a year ago it
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  was probably trading down in the 26,000 range.
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  Today it's currently about 32,000 a ton, but it's, you
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  know, there's certainly some volatility to it, but it's, you
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  know, I think trending certainly the right way.
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  And you know, for us, we're, you know, we're not thinking a year
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  out either. You know, we're thinking 1020
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  years out for this metal. And as greater adoption happens
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  for solar plant panelling, as greater adoption happens for,
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  you know, the EV, the electric cars and hybrid cars, I think
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  we're, we're certainly in a nice space.
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  And for us it's just, you know, in running a business, it's not
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  just the price of the commodity, it's what, what's our break even
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  point to get the commodity out of the ground and get paid on
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  it. So, you know, for us, it's
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  surrounding ourselves with, you know, just excellent partners.
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  And I think that's going to be a big key to our success.
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  OK OK, so so correct me if I'm wrong.
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  The prospects for. 10 in the green energy and the technology
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  sector are unbelievable as we go.
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  Forward the supply of. 10 is very challenged I think, as you
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  said, you know. Geopolitically the the areas I
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  think you said. The gods had a sense of humor
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  'cause they put 10 in areas that.
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  Are that are very typically very volatile.
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  Well, that are subject to trade sanctions, that are subject to,
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  you know, civil war and unrest. You know, in the Congo, there
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  could be civil war there at any moment and then all of a sudden
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  trade routes are blocked. You can't get tin out of the
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  country. And then next year you'll see
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  spikes. Taiwan, I mean, you know, what's
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  going on with the China and Taiwan from a geopolitical point
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  of view, you know, that's that's frightening by itself.
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  You know, Malaysia's, you know, trying to, you know, kind of
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  corner their market in tin as well.
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  So there's, there's all sorts of these, you know, obstacles or
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  potential, you know, potential issues that could have a super
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  spike in tin. Now, you know, for us running a
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  business, we're not relying on a super spike, but we certainly
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  know that that's that Black Swan event has not 0 probability.
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  So, you know, for us, you know, we'd like we, we believe tin
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  should trade between kind of 27,037 thousand and then trend
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  up gradually. But is there probability that,
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  you know, you could have a super spike and see this thing at
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  50,000? Yeah.
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  I mean about six years ago or five years ago and traded over
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  50,000 for that reason alone because there was such tight
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  supply. Yeah, like, kind of like.
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  A. A degree of.
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  Optionality could happen, but you know under under current
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  circumstances the company will be fine.
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  So, so, so there's there's a. Huge demand profile that's
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  favourable for 10. There's this this supply.
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  Challenge. I guess we'll.
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  Call it which is. Kind of a problem for the for
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  the green energy. Sector for the electronic
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  sector. Your company I feel like is
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  positioning itself. To be part of the.
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  Solution and you're doing this by doing an acquisition?
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  Of what is. I believe the largest 10 mine in
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  Europe in northern Spain, the pinata mine is that.
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  Yeah. So the, yeah, so the pinata mine
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  is, is, you know, let's call it the tallest Midget.
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  There's not a lot of big producing tin mines in Spain
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  compared relatively compared to other spots in the world.
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  But yeah, I mean, this, this is a large producing mine that
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  we're actually buying as a distressed asset.
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  And you know, we think there is a ridiculous ton of upside.
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  You know, I've said on on previous interviews that, you
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  know, my two favorite commodities are tin and time and
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  the fact that we can buy this asset and don't have to wait
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  three to five years to get it up into production.
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  Like time is our most valuable resource.
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  If you can buy something at exploration value and then turn
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  it on, it's producing cash flow. And you know, next thing you
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  know, we're getting a multiple of, you know, in our own
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  internal models. We think we could probably do
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  about €8 million in EBITDA in 2025.
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  So you put a, you know, it's in that sort of 12 million
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  Canadians, so you put a 7 times multiple on that.
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  You know, that valuation is a hell of a lot higher than it is
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  today. So you know, for us it's all
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  about executing and surrounding ourselves with great partners.
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  Yeah. So, so, so this is a 10 mine in
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  a first world jurisdiction. It has some history.
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  It it had produced 10 in the past and and you're going to
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  come in and and add some efficiencies.
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  Go ahead. Yeah, sorry to interrupt you.
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  So the previous business was basically underfunded constantly
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  and they were. And they're constantly running
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  into issues. And you know, this is the
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  problem. And the good thing with the team
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  we put together, there's myself, Jean Mcburney, who founded
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  Griffiths Mcburney and partners at Legend on the mining banking
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  side. You know, for us, raising
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  capital is, is one of our specialties.
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  It's something we've been doing as a career.
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  I mean, my career has been in it as an ex investment banker.
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  So, you know, these types of businesses, you know, they need
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  capital so that you're not running on a shoestring budget.
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  So for us, you know, we'll be able to raise that capital, push
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  the business forward, and then on top of it, surround ourselves
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  with great, you know, with great engineering partners as well as
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  actual tin experts. And I don't know if I've got a
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  quick second to mention this, but Gene and I were in Hong Kong
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  talking to some investors about 3 months ago.
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  And the woman who used to run Noble's metals desk, a guy by a
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  gal by the name of Hannah Batterick, you know, she came to
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  us, we started talking with her and she expressed a great
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  interest in joining us. So, you know, she ran the tin
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  desk for Noble. And, you know, as we talked to
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  her, she reached out to Malaysia Smelter Corp.
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  You know, they saw our our specs and you know, she got excited
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  about the project. The next thing I know she's
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  like, how can I get involved with this team?
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  So when you have people of that stature that want to join, I
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  mean, that's been the most exciting part of my job is, is
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  really getting great partners, whether it's Hannah, Mike Jones,
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  who used to work at Hatch Engineering, has joined us as
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  our CEO. David Young, who's our one of
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  our directors, used to work at Carlyle Group running the
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  natural resources sector. You know, we're really putting
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  together, you know, an A list team so we can focus on
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  execution cause execution is everything.
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  The business, we don't want to get 70% of the way there and be
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  a day late and a dollar short. You know, for us it's execute,
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  execute, execute and then reward our shareholders with, you know,
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  great returns because that at the end of the day, that's who
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  we all work for as our shareholders.
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  Yeah, yeah. And and interesting the and it's
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  an acquisition I want to point out to our viewers while you
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  mentioned this, but I think it bears repeating.
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  This is not an exploration stage company.
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  This is not I guess. You can maybe could call it.
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  A a very advanced stage company. I mean you, you are basically
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  going to come in and restart a mine.
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  The equipment's there. Everything, every, everything is
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  there. It's just it needed some capital
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  to pay off some creditors as one of the big pieces it needed.
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  It needed a filter press, which we are raising the money for as
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  we speak, but not a lot of cat like not, you know, we're not
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  talking it. It doesn't need 20 or $30
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  million. I mean, you know, we're going
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  out to raise 7,000,000 bucks here.
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  Insiders are, you know, taking on a big slug of that.
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  And then we're just going to push forward.
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  I mean, last July the mine had its top, top production of
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  cassette, right? They can produce 95 tons of
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  cassette, right, last July. So, you know, these are these
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  are big numbers. The big problem now we've got a
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  three phased approach. First phase is get to steady
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  state production for six months. The second phase is
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  optimization. So instead of getting, you know,
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  58 to 62% recoveries, we're going to look to get up to, you
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  know, 68 to 70% recoveries. And then the third piece, which
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  is the real, you know, crown jewel is the expansion of the
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  mine. You know, we're going to look to
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  double production as mine. Currently there's like a 70 year
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  mine life here. You'll shareholders will never
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  get any value for anything with a 70 year mine life.
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  So for us, we want to take that mine life down to 20 years and
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  really work on the throughput of the mine so that, you know,
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  instead of doing 8 million, €8 million in EBITDA, you know, we
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  look at this business as potentially being able to do 25
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  to 30 million euros in EBITDA based at you know on a $30,000
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  tin price, which might be conservative at this at this
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  time as well. So then we've certainly leave
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  her. We're leave her to the price of
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  tin. Wow, it it it to me.
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  It's a very. Exciting prospect.
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  Right, you've got. This this demand profile for 10
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  which isn't going anywhere, this constricted challenge supply
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  side. And you know what?
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  I heard you describe was a real. A team of management that's
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  that's in there, you know, both on a on the financing side, the
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  management side, but also the operational side.
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  Yeah, yeah, I know. That was the key.
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  I mean, we engaged Hatch Engineering to do our due
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  diligence on this asset back in December.
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  And you know, for Gina and myself, we're like, OK, if this
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  is a complete 0, just tell us, you know, just give us a
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  straight bill of goods. And so when Hatch gave us our
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  report back, they're like, Oh my God, there's so many low hanging
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  fruit solutions here. You know, you just need good
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  management and a good policies and procedures to actually step
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  it up. And ironically, the guy that
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  wrote that Hatch report is the guy that joined us as COO.
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  So, you know, we were, you know, certainly thrilled to see, you
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  know, someone who'd been to the project, you know, looked at it
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  from a engineering point of view to see if there was any major,
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  you know, issues, red flags. And, you know, he was so excited
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  that he's like, OK, I want to be Co in this business.
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  So we're glad to send him a contract.
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  Yeah, connect, connect the dots. Right.
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  That guy, I've had him coming in, Yeah.
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  And, and I think it's interesting as well that.
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  There aren't a lot of. Opportunities for investors.
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  You know your normal. Everyday, let's say retail
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  investor. To invest in 10, right?
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  There's not A10 ETF? There aren't.
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  Are there any other companies or is it just a handful of other
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  companies? Out there that have the level of
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  exposure. To 10 that your your
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  organization will have. You're, you're absolutely right.
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  I mean, there's only a handful. And when you're talking about
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  actually production assets, it's even smaller, right?
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  Because you know, maybe there's four or five coming.
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  They could Alphamin would be the the big one and it's in the
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  Congo. And you know, it's got its own
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  problems because a lot of investors, a lot of
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  institutional investors can invest in the Congo.
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  You know, that's a big problem for them.
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  But if you look at that as sort of the litmus test for TIN
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  itself, that company is puking cash because you know, because
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  it's, you know, it's a great, it's a great, great business.
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  A great. A great.
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  Asset, Yeah, yeah. What about?
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  You know management's. Important you talked about.
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  That what about alignment with shareholders?
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  Do you? Do you?
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  Hold some stock in the company. Do you feel like you're you're
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  aligned with shareholders in that perspective as well?
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  Yeah, for sure. I mean our management group and
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  insiders probably owns north of 20% of the project.
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  Myself I just under 5% of the of the shares of Iver.
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  So, Elisa, I am all in on Iver American resources.
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  OK, you you answered my question.
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  As I as. I was hoping.
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  You would answer What if I forgot to ask?
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  You, Campbell. There's a you you've.
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  Covered so many things, but is there something I missed here
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  during our conversation? No, I think if we're just, you
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  know, if we're checking the boxes, you know, we've put
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  together an absolutely phenomenal management team.
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  And without a great management team, you know, these businesses
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  are completely flawed. I mean, the road to hell is
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  paved with great intentions, but you know, execution is
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  everything. So for me, I've always been a
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  big believer in higher my weakness and I do have a lot of
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  weaknesses, but the good thing is I don't have a lot of staff.
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  But that being said, we've been able to get a phenomenal COO,
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  phenomenal CFO. You know, we've got great board
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  members. We've got a chairman and
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  executive chairman and Gene Mcburney, who's a legendary
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  investment banker and this is the only board he sat on since
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  GMP and you know, phenomenal jurisdiction in Spain.
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  Can't ask for a better jurisdiction.
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  And then if any time, like where else can you basically save five
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  years from going to exploration to production and get it done in
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  three weeks, we're going to be closing the transaction.
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  So to me, time is our most valuable commodity and that's
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  what really got us excited because we are stealing this
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  asset. Yeah, that's, I'm, I'm glad you
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  touched on that because, you know, I'm an accountant by
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  trade, so I'm always looking at the numbers and I'm, I'm a big
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  value investor and it seems like I did some research.
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  The previous operator. At one point, the market cap of
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  the company was almost north of $70 million, if I remember
• 18:45
  correctly. Yeah.
• 18:46
  Well, that when we were looking that's that's a great segue.
• 18:49
  So thank you for saying that. Yeah.
• 18:52
  So it was north of 70 million, but this project has had north
• 18:54
  of $60 million put into it. So for us to get it for $0.10 on
• 18:59
  the dollar, it's just like, whoa, like, you know, the gods
• 19:01
  are definitely shining on us. So, I mean, we still have some
• 19:04
  work to do, but you know, that's why you surround yourself with
• 19:07
  great people and a great team. So so the previous company.
• 19:10
  Had invested north of 60 million into it and and you and then ran
• 19:15
  into some hard times. I think you said they were kind
• 19:17
  of chronically under financed and I'm sure there were some
• 19:20
  other. Issues you had a.
• 19:23
  You had a consultant come in and take a look at the operation.
• 19:27
  He wrote a report. He said, hey, there's a lot of.
• 19:30
  Low hanging fruit here, which is one of my favorite things to
• 19:33
  hear. Oh, and by the way.
• 19:34
  I'd like to work. For you on this.
• 19:36
  Project is that is that is that. Accurate.
• 19:39
  You're, you're, you're, you're reading the book.
• 19:41
  You might be writing the book. I should hire you to write the
• 19:42
  book. And then for us, the big thing,
• 19:46
  it's not just what we have now, but it's, it's how do we expand
• 19:50
  this resource, right? Because right now even if we did
• 19:52
  nothing, we'll be doing, you know, let's call it €8 million
• 19:55
  in EBITDA, but that's not our end goal.
• 19:57
  If we can expand this the way we think we can, you know, we
• 20:00
  should be easily getting to 2020 €5 million in EBITDA, you know,
• 20:06
  with not a ton of CapEx, maybe 10-15 million in CapEx moving
• 20:10
  forward. Those are not big numbers to get
• 20:12
  to. I mean it's, it's less, it'll be
• 20:14
  less than one times EBITDA. I mean, it's it's crazy.
• 20:17
  So when you look at those multiples now, you know,
• 20:20
  investors have to have patience because like everything, you
• 20:23
  don't just turn the taps on then, you know, stocks get re
• 20:26
  rated and trade at market multiples.
• 20:28
  But you know, my job is to get out there in front of
• 20:30
  shareholders, which I plan to do and I plan to really showcase
• 20:34
  the team we put together because God, are they amazing partners.
• 20:37
  Yeah. Yeah, well, and you've done a
• 20:39
  great job. Today.
• 20:41
  Explaining, I think to myself and to our.
• 20:43
  Viewer kind of the opportunity there, right?
• 20:46
  I'll repeat. It one more time there there
• 20:48
  will continue. To be a huge.
• 20:51
  Amount of demand for 10, there will will continue to be supply
• 20:55
  constraints in the 10 market for all the reasons that that
• 20:58
  Campbell explained to us. And you have a company where
• 21:02
  you're picking up an asset for pennies on the dollar you've
• 21:05
  identified professionally. That there's that there's.
• 21:08
  Changes that could be made to this mine and that that that
• 21:11
  could increase the operations and you have a plan for even
• 21:16
  growing the operations. In the future.
• 21:19
  It's an exciting prospect. Yeah.
• 21:21
  Thank you so much, Ron. It's very, very exciting.
• 21:25
  Yeah, well, you know, and, and I, and I'm becoming a big fan of
• 21:28
  10. Maybe someday they'll be calling
• 21:29
  us that, calling me the 10 man. You never know, right?
• 21:33
  Exactly. You know, you know, I'll end
• 21:35
  with this unless there's anything else that you that you
• 21:37
  want to bring up The the, the, the.
• 21:41
  Classic book the. Wizard of Oz is based on silver
• 21:45
  and gold. The movie then kind of altered
• 21:47
  things. But there's a there's a very
• 21:50
  critical character. In that in that book and movie
• 21:53
  called the Tin Man right in the in the.
• 21:56
  The silver they they. Wouldn't have made it to the
• 21:58
  land of Oz, right? The the Emerald City, I guess
• 22:00
  they called it. Without the help.
• 22:02
  Of the Tin Man and as I think about this transition that we're
• 22:05
  going through with the green, green energy and technology we
• 22:09
  can't get. There without the help.
• 22:11
  Of the 10 man, right? Absolutely.
• 22:13
  Well said. Well said.
• 22:15
  Thanks, Campbell. I just want to point out to
• 22:18
  everyone, I'll have the the company.
• 22:20
  'S website. Up on the screen, the stock
• 22:22
  symbol. Is IBRLF.
• 22:24
  In the US is that. Correct.
• 22:26
  Yes, it is. Yeah.
• 22:27
  Correct. OK, OK.
• 22:28
  And and we'll look forward to talking to you in the future,
• 22:31
  Campbell. Thank you.
• 22:33
  Thanks so much, Ron.