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Jason DeVore of Authority Zero · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: What happens when the world feels like it's falling apart, but you refused to stop living?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: For more than three decades, man, I have been saying that a lot, three decades, a lot lately.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Authority Zero has channeled punk rock, reggae, and rebellion into something uniquely their own.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now with Apocalyptic Summer, they're inviting the world to make the song their own without AI, without competition, just creativity.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: There's an old saying, when you get a chance to chat with Jason DeVore, you take it.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: How the hell are you, brother?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing fantastic, brother.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for having me on the show.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's nice to finally link up here and do something, uh, do something cool.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: I should have had the U2 music going in the background whenever I was doing that intro.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's funny with that too, is like the way that came about was I just it just popped up when I did one of my first videos.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it just regardless of who the artist was, it just lined up.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a cover song of that song, and it just lined up perfectly with the timing structure and just the impact with the with the twist of the music at the end of the of the video.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: So it just became a thing, and I stuck with it, and then it became uh almost more important than the message I was trying to get across.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: People were like, What's that all about?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, uh, it's a good question.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I looked I had to look it up myself and see what I was doing.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it it's funny, uh, you know, just kind of thinking about it, and this is totally off script, it's not even in my notes, but has that brought more people to the band?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it has, it has actually quite a lot, which is kind of a cool thing because I set out to just do something creative and different, you know, and again, just try and bring some positivity into the world because I've always done that through music in general, but I've always added a lot of fat to it, I guess, or at least a hidden storyline between it to get to the important part about resolution of given circumstance.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so it kind of hit me, like I said, about two years ago.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was in Japan and just walking around, and I had this thought of like, I gotta call somebody back home or email somebody back home, but they're probably sleeping, and I was like, I'll just do it tomorrow.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, no, just do it now because tomorrow they'll wake up and it'll be done and you won't forget about it.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: And so the first one was essentially, like I said, just it was uh it was uh you got something to do today, then do it.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the whole two-year journey began.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's been two years of doing all those videos.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: And uh again, because of that, um, many people, many more than not, did not even know I was in a band.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so that was kind of the cool thing about it, too, was the crossover with uh with the positive sayings or whatever have you, and people just learning more about the group and then being like, oh, this guy, you also do the band thing.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no, I actually don't really do this, I actually do that.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: So this is just my fun side house, you know, side gig I'm doing just for fucking, you know, for fun sake and to try and do the best I can to get positivity spread out.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: They're a little more in a darker, you know, uh atmosphere these days.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: So dude, it warms my heart every time I'm scrolling TikTok and one of your videos come across because it it's all it is always poignant sayings.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I kind of found a similar thing when I did the podcast.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: My closing line, as I always tell everybody, the world's a much better place with you in it, where your line is you be good to you, you take care, all right.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, so so much to the point where you've got merchandise with it.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I've had some t-shirts with the saying the world's much better place with you in it.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it goes far beyond it just being fucking sayings.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's really important to have those little mantras going in your head right now, especially with the state of society as it is.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, man.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's that's that's where it really kind of took off with me.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Was initially it was just like a you know day-to-day issue, and like, you know, it's like people being depressed, or you know, I quit drinking alcohol five years ago, about a week ago was my five-year anniversary.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of these Congrats.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that, man.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a long road with that, and I had my fun for sure, but it taught me a lot.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: It taught me a lot about who I might not be, who I, you know, it it brought me to a place of uncertainty in many places in my life, all the way down to how I actually felt about a lot of things, to where I couldn't confidently say, in response of giving some kind of question, how I genuinely felt about something.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: It was always a contrived thought uh or a clouded thought or just a uh an angry thought because of the fact that I didn't feel well, and it was never a really in you know present, uh, present headspace.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of that kind of continued on, like I say, with the the uh the the way society's kind of just kept on getting more and more aggressive and uh just intense with everybody uh you know, since even before the COVID times, it's just like it's it really sprung into this whole new demographic and atmosphere of wanting to take a deeper dive into it and not just do it casually, but take it to the next level and really take it seriously and really more thought through things as opposed to just an old saying that I might have come across and just kind of embellish on that in my personal take on on things I've been through or emotions that uh that have taken place as well.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it does.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's very important to get back to your point of it that I think it's people forget sometimes the simple things that make us human beings, and that uh they get so caught up in the runaround of it all, and it's just this atmosphere of just noise and chaos of he said, she said, I should listen to this, I should repeat that, I should, you know, you forget how to feel individually yourself anymore.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: You forget certain little just little things like that that make you human and just bring you back to this place.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, you know, absolutely.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's get into it, let's get into the origin story from maybe somebody that's discovered Authority Zero through your content.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: You guys started off in Mesa, Arizona in 1994, and uh you lived through lineup changes, record deals, relentless touring, and several different eras of punk rock.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: When you look at the band a day, what still gives you that same feeling you had when you started making music with your friends?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, honestly, I've I've kind of battled with this a little bit back and forth.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's been the years you're like, what am I doing?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't understand why I'm still doing this, why am I putting myself through this, or why am I carrying the carrying the lost luggage, you know, of the band throughout the years, and what's my purpose for even wanting to carry on with this whole thing.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times it just really just it really directly goes back to for one, I just love it.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: I love I love singing, I love singing my my heart out.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I can do the solo thing, which is also another outlet for me to do, but there's something just completely different about what I've lived my whole life doing, literally since I was 14 years old.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the the things you go through to get to this point to weather those storms, you know, uh, because of the fact that you believe in it so much, and because once again, back to the message of it, you know.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: I always I always said to my my bandmates in the early days, like the early guys, you know, the original kick team, uh, that you know, I was like, what are we what do we want to do with this band?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what's the point?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of guys are like, just have fun and party and whatever, and that's what we're we're doing.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I always remember dating back to the early days, I said, I want to change the world with our music.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And that was, you know, in infected upon me with early bands that I listened to, like The Bad Religions, you know, like the just the early days, Operation Ivy of Jesse Michaels, like all those people that really had something to say, and that really, as a kid, made me change my mind about a lot of things, maybe just think about things differently, even be aware of things that I was not aware of, uh, to even give a second look.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: So things like that and the stories that come with that, and I think every band probably says it at some point that you know, you get that email, or you get that phone call, or you get that whatever from that person that you've changed their life, you know, and it it really strikes you home as that kid that was inside of you that also had that same interaction with your heroes.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, it just it's a continual thing and it's it's a beautiful thing, I think.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it really is.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can change the world through music, and I think that our group has been able to do that in some even small way.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that with that, it just is a driving force with me, regardless of what our hardships or who and I hate to say it like who wants to be a part of that, but you know, after so many years of people realizing it's not for them because it's not what they expected, or uh it was fun while it lasted, I tried the rock star thing, you know, and it's not at all what I thought it was going to be.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a different lifestyle, and it's some it's something that I've embraced, and it's just something I I'm proud of.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: And uh the fans out there that are listeners and friends that we've made.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and traveling, traveling around, getting to do this for something of a living, uh, more for more for the uh the spirit of it, I guess, more than anything.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's just still very much alive in me.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's 32 years later, and it's I still get excited, nervous when I go on stage.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: I get, you know, that this could be the last show ever, make it the best show you've ever played because you might not make it tomorrow.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to give these kids that show that I remember being a kid wanting to see my favorite band walk out on stage and give me uh without disappointment.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: So um that that living expectation is still very much alive inside of me.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it just seems to get stronger with age.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that I love about you guys, and it's just maybe it's the style of music that I most frequently gravitate to.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Former musician myself, well, you're always a musician, retired musician myself.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: My most favorite band of all time is The Clash.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: I love genre fluidity, and I gravitate towards bands that kind of carry that torch.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And Authority Zero has never really neatly fit in a one box.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: You guys have punk, skate punk foundation, reggae, ska, surf, and Latin-influenced rhythms.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Your sound is always pulled from different places.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: Did that blend happen naturally because of what you guys all listened to?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or was there a point where you consciously embraced being the band that didn't fit into a certain lane?
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit of both, honestly, I think with that, because we were always the band that we came from so many facets of life as individuals to begin with.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was again born still in Mesa, Arizona, but quickly moved to Wyoming and grew up in a small town Wyoming, you know, little punk rocker kids would come from like bigger small towns into my town, and that's how the skate punk scene kind of started with me.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was like nothing else to do, this culture surrounded by cowboys, and there's like five of you in this small town in survival mode, just following your heart and having this passion.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so, with that, like, you know, the original members came from some blues backgrounds, some came from metal, some came from hip-hop, even, you know, back in the day, the whole combination of all of us colliding like that and interweaving those styles.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_00: We never once, I don't remember, having a conversation with the guys in the early days saying, we want to be this sound, we should sound like this band or that band.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: We always just were like, whatever we're influenced by, let's just play it and see what happens.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that kind of that a little bit ostracized us because of the fact that we weren't a punk band, we weren't the ska band, we weren't the reggae band.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: We just played whatever we wanted to play and had the punk rock ethos and energy woven within and throughout our music of you know, all that comes with that.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where we snuck in, I guess, to our early local scene of playing some of these bigger shows with like the lesson jakes way back in the day at the Nile Theater, Suicide Machines.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just we were able to creep in because we were just enough to where it would kind of work as the opening band, uh, but we never really fit into the scene, you know.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: So we we made our own scene.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of other bands that were kind of off the cusp, and uh we just had our own little community of uh of things.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then I think that with that, as we got older, we kind of found our niche a little more.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: We kind of understood what the hell we were doing and uh what we felt good about rather rather than just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks, we found like things that were making more sense to us as a collective.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's I think when we found more of our our sound, I guess, but uh ever ever changing, like you say, and it's happened with every record um throughout the years with with people coming in and out, because that's one thing I've wanted to hold true to with this band, is that I was like, if I'm gonna be doing this, I don't want to I don't want to lose that that aspect of it to where it's not just let's just see what you got, we can make that in a 40 zero song.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so any member that's come in, I've always told them, you know, some bands become this weird dictator of like I'm the last guy.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: I was always like, I want you to feel like you're in this band, because you are in this band.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I chose you, we chose each other for a purpose to carry this legacy or this band or whatever on uh in a positive light and grow with it rather than just kind of fade away with it.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: We want to keep on growing and expanding with our musical interests and and tastes and um see what can develop from that and make you feel like you're a part of it because you clearly are now dedicating your life to it, like I have.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: It means something to you, you're willing to sacrifice whatever uh you leave at home to go and be away for a long time.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you need to feel important, you need to feel uh necessary and a part of this.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, a passage in time helped introduce Authority Zero to a much wider audience, and you've described its title track as a song that captures so much of what the band is about.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, you were just kind of talking about it, like the evolution of the band and the changes within the band.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: When you perform material that's been a part of your life for more than two decades, how do you keep it feeling alive rather than simply recreating something from your past?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the good thing about the songs, I think that lyrically that I write personally at least is that it's usually all about just what's happening in life.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's like always surrounding us.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's always going to be content to write about, whether it's positive or negative.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Even with the negative, there's gonna be a positive uh outlook or direction you aim for to try and work yourself out of that situation or something else to like level up and go make a goal for.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um and with that, those songs are easily, some are not, but most are easily as relevant to me these days as they have been when I was 17, 16 years old.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're still talking about the journey through life, they're talking about the shit you go through, the stuff you you try and work through, the the hardships, the relationships, the everything is all it's all relative.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's all relative, whether it's like a different storyline or not.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: It all kind of goes back to that that that home base of what that song uh is structured around.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, songs like Find Your Way, that was about me knowing at that point that I was probably indulging too much in the drink.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that was back in 2006.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: I only quit five years ago.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so a lot of these are still like they're all part of the journey, they're all part of the story.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that's why I never think that any of the songs that are old or new or whatever don't belong in a set list or uh as a representation of this band, because it is all just one big fat story, and uh sometimes it's fun to go back to the beginning chapter and see where it you know, see where it began and why why it got so crazy in the end, you know.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Was there ever a moment where you wrote a song and somebody took a totally different message than what you were intending on putting forth with it?
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what that I'm trying to think of an actual song because I do remember an actual situation like that occurring, but I can't for some reason at the moment recall what song it was.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it's bound to happen, and that's the beauty of it, I think, too.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I love it so much, is because I've always written, I've never been the guy that's like, even if I spoke very strongly about a certain thing, um, I was never the guy to say this is how you need to think, this is how you need to feel, this is how blah blah blah blah blah.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's got an opinion.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've got shitloads of them.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: I've got coming out my ears, dude.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like I've always written, and not not to like stray away from like saying how I feel, but more to be be very universal about you can take this song and embed it in your own personal life.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: It could be embedded into politics, it could be embedded into social activity, it could be embedded into your personal life, your relationships, your friendships, your, you know, we've all once again, we're all humans, we all go through all that shit.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone's got their own individual story to tell.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I love being something of a, I don't want to say a muse of an a muse in their story to help them maybe try and find some information of my own personal takes on things and my own experiences.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that's the best way, rather than saying that's exactly what this song's about.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this is about.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: If it means that to them, that means the world to me that it meant something like that to them and it was impactful in their own given situation.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that's I think that's a special.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great thing about music, I think.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: There are there are guys that are really good at writing and metaphor, and there are guys that are like straight ahead, you know what the message is from start to finish.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they have a mutual admiration of each other.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, you know, we've got that's the thing too.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: We've got we've got songs like that that I was like, I'm just pissed, you know.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like you write it, you're like, here's the fucking thing, man.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like society sequence, it's about society and the uproar of it all, and like, and that was forever ago, and it's still relevant today.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like songs like that that are straight from the heart and honest, I equally love those as much.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they're they're usually the fastest ones to write just because you're venting more than anything, you know, which people need that shit too.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: They need to just vent and not be like pussyfoot around shit or whatever you want to say.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like no like hidden, hidden agenda into what you're trying to say to me.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's great to connect those, yeah.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, connect those as a whole package, I guess, in a sense to give them the straight reality sometimes, uh, and just heartfelt message as well as the the the thinking, the thinking songs to make them kind of realize that let me give this a little more thought about what it means to me, actually.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's talk about a song with a story, Apocalyptic Summer.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh recent release.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the story follows an ordinary guy trying to enjoy a day at the beach while the world around him begins to unravel.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: You described it as a fictional, satirical story with real-world political and societal elements woven into it.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: What was the spark for that particular concept and how do you balance the dark humor with the very real anxiety underneath it?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: So that was, I mean, clearly, you know, the way I described it there is uh kind of a satirical uh fictional thing, but it's very non-fictional at the same time.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's just given from like the things that we've been encountering in the world, uh in politics and in the world with uh just the division with everybody.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that's not just even here with blue and red, it's it's just all around the world.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we're still seeing it, it's happening everywhere.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's a heartbreaking, heartbreaking, sad, emotional time for everybody.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I I know I'm very much an empath, and I feel it just in my day-to-day, and it just makes me sick.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that song came from wanting to once again put across a message that was very real time, and what you're seeing, everyone can probably realize that that's a lot that's it's happening right now.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: It feels apocalyptic, it feels like shit's burning, everything's on fire, uh, you can't get the answers you're looking for, you can't find peace, you can't find you can't find just a way to live your life happily without feeling like there's some deep pit in your stomach.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of where I decided to character develop with this thing.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've got a friend, his name is Peepers, and he's like, we've had a lot of good times throughout the years, so I pictured him as the character almost.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's like this dude that's just living his life, trying to just go about his day, you know, pretty much almost oblivious.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe this, not he's not oblivious, but in this character's sake, in the song, he's oblivious to like everything that's happening outside of his own walls.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then he sets out to go to do his daily thing, go to the beach, get his surf on, hang out.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then as the song goes on, he starts to realize that the world is burning down around him, and there's like stuff he starts seeing happening.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: And this is kind of a take on people that maybe aren't don't have their eyes open to it as much and aren't maybe as affected by it, um, that then come to the realization and or see something that's like, what what what's happening?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: And what is actually happening?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then you learn more about it, you dive deeper into it, and then it gets darker and it gets more crazy and intense, and it just gets more heavy and sad.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so come to the end of that story.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: The idea of that is essentially what the tidal wave is like the 50 year storm, it can't come too soon.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna sit here and just watch it cruise out.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I've got my I've got my gun, I got my cocktail.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I'm going out, having a great time.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is where we're at.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: No one's gonna fuck with my my no one's gonna fuck with my good time on the way out because you you've already taken enough of our time and uh ruined enough of our relationships and uh and and time here, our precious time on earth and and and and the life.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of where that all encompasses and comes to be a storyline that I wanted to make something of an uh of a fun listen, but also make a point and uh bring forth some nonfictional truths to it.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: I like the fact that you pointed out the empath side of you because another thing that you and I mutually have in common is we try and create a silver lining around what we put out in the world through social media, through art, through this podcast or what have you.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel that that it makes a person a little bit more vulnerable to the chaos going on around them whenever you are trying to be like a positive voice amongst a sea of chaos?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, people will tell you, tell me how you really feel.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, you know, you're like, I am.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like there's so much hate and there's so much anger and there's so much of that consistently that you don't I don't fucking I don't think we need any more.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know I know you need to be angry.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: I know you need to be outspoken, you need to be outraged with a lot of things in your convictions.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: But you also need someone maybe making you feel a little better and maybe giving you a second to say, hey, just take a breath, man.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: Take a breath for a second.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get a lot, you don't get a lot of that.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: You get just that like all the time, and you don't get that person saying, check it out.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I fucking get it.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: I totally get it.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, just take a step back for a second, take a breath and refocus.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And what can you do about it rather than just be swinging your arms and pissed and just ruining your own inner core?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh take a take a minute to develop some thoughts, see what you can do to help change those things, as opposed to just being pissed and swearing and throwing off the cusp.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's just the easy way out to me.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, you know, it's like you need, I think that real thought and change comes from thought through ideas, through calmness, and through taking what you're affected by and really trying to see what route you can take to do something to make some actual change.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it does make you, I think, to answer your question, yes.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think it does make you more susceptible to people critique to to uh being more um approached with that because you're not because you're not just pissed 24 hours a day and you're trying, you're trying with every fiber in your body not to be.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where people don't understand sometimes with people like what we're talking about ourselves.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't just happen naturally.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a lot of fucking work to like not just be pissed with the rest of it and to actually try and work on yourself to do something, keep yourself centered to where you can have straightforward uh uh uh confident thoughts and actions as opposed to just rampant what the hell am I even doing just for bit just for sake of I'm just I feel bit horrible inside.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have found that people that tend to cast the most negative stones and try and drag you into the abyss with them are the first to accuse a person of trying to be positive and mindful as being performative.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no, like it takes a lot of work to try and keep my mindset positive and then try and keep somebody else motivated on that same boat that I'm in, so they're not drowning with you and yours.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's a very fantastic way to put it.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's exactly it.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're all we're all we're all drowning in our own ways, and uh aside from the political world of madness that's been ensuing, there's there's day-to-day life that people deal with too.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: So there's all that weight inside, and it takes a lot to manage that, man, instead of just wanting to lose your mind and do something stupid or hurt yourself.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, especially when you've sobered up, especially when you're sobered up and you can't just drink it away for the night.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you're dealing with shit.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're dealing with that real pain.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: You're fucking like, and that makes it even harder to be like you know, take that breath and just breathe with me, Jason, for a second.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do it, dude.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: For the new dub versions of Apocalyptic Summer, you invited Ted of Pacifier and Wayne uh the English beat to take the same recording and rebuild it into their own styles, which freaking dope, dude.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: They made it even better.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: For some of these remixes, I was like, that's the one we should have put out right there.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's the shit.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that's that's a real reggae jam with some dub dirty, you still got that dirty reggae dub, you know.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: So what did you hear in each artist's approach that made you think this is why we exact why we wanted them to do this?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: You kind of said it.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I know I I met Wayne, I met Wayne firsthand when I was out with Kaleo and uh Eric Rachmi from Revolution and Pepper, those guys, for those who don't know, yeah.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I did a solo tour, I did a solo tour with them uh out to Guam and then Hawaii, and no, just Guam and Hawaii, I'm sorry.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: And uh oh, in Japan.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Japan, Guam, and Hawaii.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: We did like a five to seven-day thing right around Christmas two years back.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And Wayne came out there and was jamming with Kaleo, and uh he's just the sweetest dude, and he's obviously got his history, the English beat, and he's like, he's just he he knows this stuff.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we talked a bit about doing some music together when I was out there.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, I'd love to do some remixes.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: I got this other song for my solo project, because that's what I was kind of doing out there.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm like, we dive into that.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, yeah, man, what do you want to do?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's get something going.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: And then so this came about as a concept, and uh, there was no question to have him just give it a run.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it was just grimy, it was dirty, it was thick, it was blowing my speakers out.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, this is what I'm talking about.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is the jam right here.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like I can hear this being thumped throughout the clubs, you know, all across wherever.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I can hear it just blowing up people's speakers on the beach.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can hear this is the this it gave it that authenticity that I felt that song really needed, you know, even though it's a remix.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: To me, I was like, that's what I'm talking about.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's the vision I saw in my head when sitting in this office right here writing an acoustic.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: So that's where that developed from.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And Ted, you know, Ted came up too, um, our our manager Brian and done a lot of stuff.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he used to tour manage revolution.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: So he met those guys um with Ted and them uh along the way and through the travels with doing the whole reggae scene.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: So he presented his idea to take a run at it for us too, and same thing.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: It just came back so different, but so cool, and just in a different kind of different kind of perspective.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that kind of triggered the whole thing of like, let's just put it out for the world.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many musicians out there, it's like ridiculous amounts, and so many people have home studios nowadays, and we just wanted to see what people could do and get creative with that just took it and ran with it, took the took the uh the stems and just did their own creation.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, do it all man-made, human-made, whatever, and uh watch people get creative and bring it back to a communal kind of effort just to see what happened, and so that's what we did, and it's been fun.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: When you put the stems out there and you're inviting people to collaborate on it, you're very specific about them doing a human version, non-AI version.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean to protect the human side of making music right now?
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's incredibly important, I think, to music in general, because the fact that, like you said, you asked me in the beginning, why do I still do this and what's so important about it?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: What's your driving force?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it is that human connection, that human aspect, that that draw up, blood, sweat, and connection that and and you know, human error that makes it so special to me and uh that connects us all.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that the oversaturation of the non-human aspect of it, it just the soul's not there, obviously.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we want to hear what real people uh have to do and have keep people inspired to do it themselves and not just push a button.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, obviously there's all that goes with AI that's negative about that, with the plants and all that and the uh environment on top of it, uh let alone, but also with the idea of just keeping people inspired, like and keeping keeping it pure, like we started out doing and why we loved it.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: And new generation specifically, because the fact that there's so it's so just like a natural thing.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's like back to the future, it's like, oh, you gotta use your hands, that's like a baby's toy.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you're fucking right, you gotta use your hands.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let's get dirty.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta get dirty, dude.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is like real music you're making from your soul, from your own brain.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, if you falter and you can't do it, then you learn how to, and it's like it's just a creative process that you learn to develop as a human being, and it's all part of it again, man.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's just very, very special and very important.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Doing what you and I do, finding silver linings to things and and the the positive side of things, and this is gonna be come from total left field.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that there is a very positive rebellion against synthesis in art?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that is why the Cali reggae and the reggae punk scene is having such a huge resurgence right now, is because the authenticity of it?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I think it's for one, it's it's making people feel good in a dark time.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like that alone right there is just making people be like, oh my god, it's just like the idea of the music is to feel good, it is to be kind to each other, it is it's a positive message of hope and humanity, and that's exactly uh what we need more of.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that people realize that.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: And again, like I was saying earlier, you get sick of just beaten to shit by all these negative things you see daily, obviously, on your scroll, and you know, and that leads to like you looking stuff up and then you go down the rabbit hole, and then it's like that's like a freeing element of just human nature.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: It goes back to like, I guess, almost like the Woodstock days of just wanting to be free and human and be with your brothers and sisters, and just let music overcome you and and and and empower you and and guide you through a lot of the darkness, you know.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I absolutely think so.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think so for sure.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh over the summer I did a partnership with one of the venues here in the Midwest and did ticket giveaways.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think I went to more concerts this summer than I had in my entire life, and including traveling.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: And that was one observation that I made to my wife was the difference of the atmosphere.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I never noticed such a difference when I was younger, but now I really notice a difference in the atmosphere whenever I go to like a more aggressive rock show as opposed to like a reggae punk, you know, ska type show.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously they're aesthetically different, but I mean it's just people having a good time, but like emotionally, there is a different sense of emotional intelligence that is palpable now that I've never felt in all my years of playing music and listening to music and going to concerts and what have you.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I I do think it is kind of people have a hunger for more positivity.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think people aren't just going to listen to a band play anymore, they're listening to what the singer or the band singer, all of that is talking about they're listening more to the message that's ingrained within that song and the songs that they just liked, but now we're actually reading deeper into, and it's like it's it's now almost like you're going to church in a weird way.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're going to your place of like, talk to me, dude.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to me, goose.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I need I need some help, I need some guidance, I need that, I need that weight lifted off me, and that's the way to do it, man.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is these live shows which lead back again to why why do I still do this?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it's it's my therapy every night.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: I get to scream at the world for an hour every single night and get everything off my chest in the most pure, honest form to where my throat's bleeding.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like to where I can scream no more, and I'm just like, that's better.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know exactly what I mean, I think, man.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like people feel the same way outside of just being in a band, they want to go lose their voices in shows and just sing it until it's like you can no more.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I it's crazy because with digital platforms and everything being out there the way that they are now, and social media and everything along those lines, there is more musical acts getting exposure than ever before in the history of mankind.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I think people genuinely are starting to return to live shows, unlike anything I've ever seen, so long as we can get the fucking gas prices back down to some.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: So they can get to the shows and so the bands can tour, so they're not like, dude, I'm just paying for gas.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: I ain't making shit doing this.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I had a conversation, I had a conversation.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm playing a gig tonight, actually, another solo gig.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're getting ready to leave on tour again on Tuesday, so I have rehearsals after the gig tonight.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: But I was talking to a buddy of mine at when I was setting my PA up down there just that this morning, and that same exact thing came up, just about like how you know, the moment of like, why do we do this?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like it's like you know, it's like you leave home for a month, you come home, you try and pay your bills, and you're like, and after expenses are all tallied up or tallied down, that you realize what you're not making after a month of just grueling efforts, you know, like you're driving, you know, not sleeping, you're you're kicking the shit out of yourself, and you know, you got people that rely on you, obviously, as you become an adult uh sorts, and you've got things to take care of.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: So it it makes you reevaluate very quickly like things like that, like the gas prices for one, not just in in in everyday standards, but like in the long haul of things day to day with uh traveling and touring and all of it, and it's it's all yeah, it's all pretty intense as far as the financial side of things goes with um economical stuff.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, let's get that fixed.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Now that we're talking like a couple of old guys, um how have you had to adapt to keep authority zero moving forward without losing the band's identity?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And what do you think younger artists misunderstand about building a sustainable career, considering all these things?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a big one for sure.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't think that in this day and age that um, and not to sound too much like the old guy, obviously, but the reality is it's not the same as it used to be, right?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh promotion-wise, all of that.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you can tour if you if you want to, I think, as a newer group, but essentially it's a lot of online stuff.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: But obviously with groups like myself, it's ingrained in us to go do that live show, and that's our passion uh as well.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that uh I think it just takes I think it takes them going to see a live band, you know, maybe an older generation band to really realize how special it actually is and like to see them still doing it to uh to grasp on to like the importance of um the importance of the longevity of it and like what the the the things you need to go through in order to make that happen, as opposed to just throwing a song online and hoping it hits like a million views or whatever it's called, you know.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: So um yeah, I I think I lost track of the question a little bit, but just kind of going on.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: What's what's great is I love whenever I'm locked into a conversation with somebody and I can hear my own thoughts being said back to me because I do think that the live show is the division between virality and longevity right now.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like people people are always chasing that viral thing right now because of social media algorithms, but the guys that go out and do it live and are incredibly consistent for doing it live, they're building careers why these guys are just building moments.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right, absolutely.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's okay, so that that's to the point I was trying to, I think, probably work my way toward is at some point you're you're building, you're building more of a a legacy rather than a quick little flight by night kind of moment.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're you're building these experiences, you're building this long Jebik fan base that's now the stories that you'll talk to you know everyone about, and you'll you'll you'll spread these these long fables about your group, and it just beg it just builds a better story uh for your life in general and for the groups that and the people that go to these shows and it just becomes a part of your actual being, as opposed to like a quick little fly by oh, it's again the fly by night kind of thing.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's it's extremely important for kids to maybe get a grasp on that and realize just how for one, how fun it can be, and for two, like how how much it'll change you and it'll make you the person that you're gonna become, and uh it's gonna surprise you, like what you'll go through, what you're able to do, what you'll enjoy, what you won't, and then you'll it'll become part of you for the the hard work and hardships of it.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's just a great big lesson that you can you can you can learn to take away from it in the end and on a daily basis.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's also where you find your tribe, man.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, bro.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you can find your tribe at a live show, it becomes a dragon that you chase for the rest of your life.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: We can attest to that, man.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like some of these kids, yeah, some of these kids, like we met we met literally when they were kids because the band started, you know.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Some of these kids were like, they come up to me now, 30 something years old, and they're like, I saw you when I was 14 years old, and it blows my mind because I'm like, How old am I, dude?
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how much older could I seriously be than you?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because you look like you're actually kind of older than me.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like full dude's gray beards.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, You fucking serious, dude?
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what is happening right now?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: But it's cool because, like you said, you find your tribe, and that carries if you have that impact on people that that you know, with that live music and show, it'll be a lifetime relationship, and it's gonna change their lives, and it's gonna take everyone on this journey together, and it's a beautiful thing, man.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the Apocalypse Tour 2026 brings the band through the Midwest, including Iowa City on November 4th, and in my home market of Omaha, Nebraska on November 5th, with the Raging Nathans joining the November run.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: After so many years of touring, what still makes a great night on the road feel special for you particularly?
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something about playing smaller rooms and connecting with people face to face that you can't replicate anywhere else?
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: I and that thing about it too, I love I love the small shows, like the the the blood sweat right there, just like slam, you know, sliding on top of each other.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's like that's like my my passion right there.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um I love I also love the bigger shows.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's something, there's a place for both of those that just makes the whole thing unique in each aspect.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you get you get the rock and roll show with the big stage thing, which is fun and it's cool, and it gives you that moment of like you stop and look around, you're like, what the fuck actually is happening?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is cool, you know, and you know, the punk shows, the the straight up like in the in the in the in it shows, like right there, the smaller clubs, just keeps you alive.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it reminds you of why you love it, and it reminds you of that scene that you loved so much and you got involved in, you know, and that was the basements you played in when you first started out, the five bands, five bucks kind of stuff.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it just that connection, once again, that that connection of seeing the people's faces like screaming right in your face or into your microphone with the same blood, sweat, and whatever, keep saying that, but like the same passion and heart that you had when you first wrote the song and having them impacted by that equally as much, if not more, because there's some shit going on in their life, and that whole room becomes just electric and kinetic, and people just the energy bounces off each other, and it's a fucking experience, man.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: So in this day and age, 2026, what do you hope people take away from Authority Zero?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: You spent 30 years, 30 years making music that combines defiance with a sense of connection and perseverance.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: When someone walks away from an Authority Zero show or hears one of your songs during a period of their own life that may be difficult, what do you hope they carry with them?
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'd say probably just hopefulness.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefulness is the one word I can say, and uh I guess maybe even some kind of relief through exhaustion, you know, and that'd be with the live shows.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: I want people to come to our shows and just feel everything and get everything out and scream with us and sing with us and like you know, fall on, you know, pile on top of each other with with all that outside world intensity that is just weighing them down, whether it be work or whatever the case may be, you know, the world in general.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I want them just to walk away from that song, from that show, with just a feeling of hopefulness, uh relief, and uh weirdly enough, calm to like start fresh and take on the world with uh with it with a clean slate of uh prosperity and hope.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: What still feels unfinished to Jason creatively?
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, clearly something with this band because I'm still here.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: So something something something I'm waiting so I'm still working toward apparently, you know.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what creatively, man, so many things.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm such a I'm such a crazy all over the place.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to call it like OCD or ADD guy, but I just I just love doing so many different things, like projects musically, through art, uh creating things.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just I just want to do as much as I can, you know, with the years I've got.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's there's so many things I feel like I can make a list of.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's like uh just and the thing is you you you don't you don't want to be a Jack and all trades master of none, but you want to really dive into so many things and give those the time that you uh to learn just so many things and try so many different variations of life.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um and again, especially the older once again you get, you you've done this for 30 years.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm clearly not done doing this yet.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: But there's so much more life to live outside of this band, on top of that, that I can bring into this group.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I can't wait to experience all of that.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I the the the list is endless, I guess, man.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I won't know till the day I die.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll tell you what, I should have gotten that done.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: I tell you, as somebody that has followed the band and you personally for a while now, and I see all your content on TikTok, you'd hit doing this out of the fucking part, bro.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: You sitting down and just like sharing some wisdom and having some conversations, even if it were like a 10-15-minute long podcast you do once every two weeks, I think you'd fucking kill it, bro.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, man.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I thought about a little bit, thank you very much for that.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: I thought about a little bit of doing with the be good to you thing, obviously.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've started diving deeper into that, and then we talked about the t-shirt thing, and that's become a new chapter that I've really wanted to take on, as far as like just like even like whether it be a podcast or something to help like do some kind of like um interaction with people or or even uh just you know, because everyone does the tour stories, the the the singers podcast, or whatever, you know, it's like which is great.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many stories I could go on for days with other singers about and like different techniques or like instances with their bands and stuff, but I think that's I think that seat's been filled quite a lot.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it'd be fun to do something with more of what we discussed with um with um just human life and like your experiences through maybe uh music and touring, but also dive deeper outside of that.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, maybe a be good to you podcast to be a fun thing in the future.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see what happens.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think so, brother.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my friend, my closing question that I ask everybody that does my show because I like their individual answers, and I know I'm absolutely going to love yours, my friend.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: What is your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today through your eyes and your experience?
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_00: Be good to you.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Be good to yourself, be good to the people around you, realize everyone's going through some shit.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Realize that everyone has got different things they're going through and trying to work through to also try and make their own day better.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: And by you being better to yourself and realizing the impact that that has on the people surrounding you, that's where the real change begins.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's where revolution changes.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's where revolution begins, is with you changing within yourself to help then spread that throughout the world.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a kinetic domino effect.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome, man.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, tell everybody where they can find you, the band, and the stems for Apocalyptic Summer online.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, pretty simple.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Just go to authorityzero.com uh for all the Authority Zero related things.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can go to uh jasondevore.com for any solo music I've done, and uh JasonDebore Art for any art that I've done entwined with music as well.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's uh also crossed over with the Authority Zero music and entwined with that.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I hope you know I'm not a fucking liar.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: I told you by the time we were done, 45 minutes, that we were gonna be new best friends, and I'm looking forward to seeing you November 5th.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: High fives and hugs, brother.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking forward to it.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go, Mikey.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm into it, dude.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: Jason DeVore, thank you so much for doing the show.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: The world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that, man.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: You're the same.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate your conversation, brother.