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#153: The Friendship Of A Diabetic & A Civilian - Dylan & Jake · The Healthy Diabetic

• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Healthy Diabetic podcast.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for tuning in.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: As always, before we get started, please remember that nothing that you hear on this podcast should be considered medical advice or otherwise.
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: Please always consult your medical team before making any changes to your diabetes management.
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're diving in.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: So today I got to sit down with two more Camp Hamway individuals, jake and Dylan.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: Dylan's a type one diabetic.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: Jake is his friend, a co-worker actually, and Jake actually is a counselor at Camp Hamway in leadership at Camp Hamway.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Both these individuals' stories are so fascinating.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: Dylan was diagnosed at two years old, which I didn't know before today's conversation, which is funny because I had a long conversation at camp with Dylan about his diabetes and his journey through diabetes, but I didn't even realize that he was diagnosed at two years old, so it was a fun little tidbit that we got during this conversation.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: So during this conversation, you're going to hear a lot of different things about their relationship with diabetes.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: You're going to hear a lot of different things about Dylan's journey through diabetes at a young age, from him being a camper going into being a counselor, the impact that camp has really had on him, and the same thing with Jake, you're going to hear about the impact that camp has really had on him as well.
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: So this was just a fun episode with two incredible dudes, so happy I got to get them on the show.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: So, without further ado, let's get with Dylan and Jacob.
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: All right, fellas, jake.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: Dylan, thanks so much for coming on.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: I'm super pumped about this.
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: It's been a while since I did a trio of these.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: Usually I'm just talking to one person, so I'm glad I got you both on.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: You guys are both friends.
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: You guys both work at Camp Hamway.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: You've been doing a lot of talking about camp, so I'm excited to talk to you guys coming from that perspective, but also being in leadership and being in camp for a while especially you, dylan.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: So coming from being a camper to now being in leadership, to running things, to all that stuff, giving a kind of a back-end lens of what camp's all about.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: So the first thing I would love you guys to do is just kind of introduce yourself and then tell me kind of a little bit about your story.
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: Jake, I know you're not type one, but your connection to all of this is really, really fascinating, so I'm really excited to share that as well.
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: So, dylan, I'll go with you first.
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: What's up everyone?
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: My name is Dylan Connect, lifelong participant of Camp Hamway.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: I've been going to camp since I was eight, I think, so that makes that this summer year 17 or 18 in a row, I guess.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: Hard enough man.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: Quite some time the first nine years, I guess, as a camper, and then ever since as a staff member, hitting as a CIT, my last year when I was a senior in high school, up to being a cabin counselor, and then recent years having various leadership roles.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 19,.
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy 19 years involved in camp.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: That is like that's got to be, like some kind of record or something that's got to be up there.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: There's a handful of us.
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: Whenever people ask me how long I have been going to camp, I always just ask Jess, I'm like Jess.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: How long have we been going to camp?
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: There's that I did a day camp here in Columbus or in Central Ohio.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: I forget where it was then, but I did day camp for a couple of years before I went to Camp Hamway.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know those exact how many times, or whatever.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: I was too young to really remember.
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy man, that's so crazy.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: All right, jake, what about you, man?
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: Tell me your story.
• 4:32
  Speaker 3: Hey guys, my name is Jacob Miller Ken.
• 4:35
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate you having us on for this.
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: I've been going to Camp Hamway for about three years now.
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: I started going, dylan talked me into it and he was like, hey, we're going to have a great time.
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I didn't really know much about diabetes and my best friend growing up he has it.
• 4:51
  Speaker 3: I know a little bit, but going in it was definitely a learning experience.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your guys' story is interesting.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: Tell me how'd you guys meet.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: You guys currently work together.
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: Tell me that part of the story.
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: We actually met through one of our other friends named Brandon Buzzer.
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: I played baseball with him growing up for a couple of years.
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: I was off at college and he was like, hey, come home, play in this slope at Saddleball Tournament.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: I was like, maybe, I don't know, I'm not really feeling it.
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: He was like, no, really come, it'll be fun.
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, cool.
• 5:28
  Speaker 3: He says, hey, we're going to meet at my buddy Dylan's house.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: We're all going to ride up together.
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: I've never met Dylan in my life, no idea who he is.
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: We go play, had a great time, came back and we've just really been hanging out ever since.
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: Nice, Nice.
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: Dylan, I want to shift gears here.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys both for giving us some background of who you are, how you guys met.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: Dylan, I want to start with you because this is a Diabetes Show.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: You're a type one diabetic.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: Everyone loves a good diagnosis story.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: Tell me about your diagnosis story, how that roll out.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: What are some things that was happening in your life.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: Tell me about that story.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: All I know is what I was told I had diagnosed when I was two, august to 2000.
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: As long as I can remember, I've had diabetes.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: My grandmother was a nurse when she worked.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: I vaguely know that I was two years old drinking a lot more water than a normal two-year-old, going peeing in my diapers that type of stuff.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: Grandma was pretty certain we need to just go get her tested for the—go, get her sugar checked.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I went to the hospital and that's when I was diagnosed.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: Just know what mom and grandma and dad and everyone have told me.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: Have they told you in these stories that obviously they're telling you from the very beginning what the experience was when you went to the hospital?
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I vaguely—I should know more about it, but I know that it was a couple of days in that it was—from the stories that I hear from some of my peers and people at camp.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: It was a rather smooth operation In and out.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: I spent a day or two, I believe, just as they were kind of educating I guess the family not myself at the time Educating, getting me healthy, and then family had a pretty good support system with my family.
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: I guess my parents at the time had a good support system from Grandma being in the medical field and stuff.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was not as smooth as they portray it to me, but the way it's always been portrayed to me is it wasn't that bad.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: The most interesting thing is the age right, because so many of us are diagnosed at different age groups.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine your parents at that time 19, 20 years ago, you being diagnosed at two years old with the technology, even where it was at back then.
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: I can't—it's so crazy for me sometimes, when I hear stories like this, to comprehend that, because when I was diagnosed it was the beginning age of insulin pumps, the beginning age of the DEXCOM and CGMs and all these things that were pretty much starting—not great, but pretty much starting—when I was diagnosed I was able to go right into that stuff.
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine how it was at two years old or even five years old or six years old, yeah.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I'm very lucky that my parents were on top of it like they were.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: I attribute a lot of that as I transitioned into managing my own diabetes as starting as a teenager and into becoming an older teenager, young adult, and obviously have been managing it.
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: I've been like with them pretty hands off since I was like 14 or 15 and probably just because I saw how meticulous and how much they were on top of it, I was like cool, this is normal, this is how I have to be with it.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean from a young age they were getting me involved with different programs and different—just.
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: I was socialized amongst the diabetic world, I guess, and community, more than the average child.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: I mean all those reasons combined, they definitely set me up in the right way, yeah.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too that when we think about this concept of getting into different organizations, you guys had Camp Hamway.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: When did you start going to Camp Hamway?
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah man.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: So my first time at Hamway.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: I was eight years old, so that was the first time staying there junior week.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: At the time overnight, Did the Stepping Stones Day Camp.
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: A year or two before that, Eight years old, is like the real start of me actually remembering what camp is the first time doing overnight camp.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then did you get involved in any other organizations, like JDRF at the time or any other organizations?
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, growing up my parents had us pretty involved with JDRF.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: We always had a pretty good turnout for our Walk to Cure team back when they did it at various places the horseshoe around Easton one year, I think.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: So we always had an awesome turnout from friends and family with that.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: And just going to the various, it was pretty much JDRF encoded with the organizations we were involved with.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: It's crazy because you think about back when you were diagnosed or when you were growing up, compared to now.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: There's all these great organizations beyond type one, so many great organizations that give so much great resources, and the fact that there's this diabetic podcast, so many other diabetic podcasts, so many amazing resources, and it's so awesome that you were able to be in a position your family was able to be in a position to be able to help you and teach you.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: When did things start clicking for you?
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Like what age?
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: When did you start taking over management of your diabetes?
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: When did things really start clicking for you?
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say one of the first big moments I was probably 11 years old and one of the kids on the baseball team was having everyone together.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: The parents were kind of supervising but kind of dropping us off at.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: It was game works at the time which, like a Dave and Buster's take place, so it was kind of like my parents were pretty worried, like hey, you've never been without us or someone directly that we trust watching you all the time, so kind of like not that it was an argument, but showing them why I was ready to do that, getting that taste of that, and then a couple months later, right, staying at the friend's house for the first time with a group of buddies so like 1112, as I'm starting to have normal 12 year old social functions, you know, sleepovers, that type of stuff happening outside of my house, because it was always cool doing, can hang out with all the friends.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: But we got to do it at his house.
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: So I think my desire to have that freedom and get out there from a young age and just socialize and hang out and not want to miss out, and my parents recognizing that, just forced me to kind of do it.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now you started going to camp at eight years old.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: How much of an influence on you know, over the years since eight years old up until that point of 12, when you started to really started taking control of it yourself or wanting to, or understanding how to, how much did camp influence that?
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: You know those early years of camp influence.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: You know you being able to do that.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean camp is is everything.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: I attribute I mean a ton of it to my growing up of managing myself.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to have parents or the doctor tell you, cool, you need to do this injection, you need to change this pump site, and it's really easy when you're a kid at home to mom, dad, I don't want to do this, do this for me.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Or you know the things like we need to use numbing cream before we put on the pump site and all these road blocks that were just kind of just a necessary yeah To.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Then, at camp, where they're like, well, here, here's your pump site changing.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like what do you mean?
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Like you're not going to do this for me, and they're like we'll help you, but like you need to be able to do this.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: And just I mean in five minutes, like, cool, I have my whole life had my parents doing this and I can do this now.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: And yeah, going home with first year, I'm like, guys, I can change my own pump site.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: They're like you can do what?
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so crazy when you think about two is like what, regardless if you're a young diabetic or not, like there's so many people that I've talked to in our community that don't understand that concept of I can do X, y and Z for myself.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: I don't need my doctor self, I don't need my parents help, but like I'm able to do this and make changes.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: So it's that's awesome that you know.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: I witnessed it when I was at camp.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: You know, helping out and being there, like just the mindset of the kids because I was just because I'm so in tune with that stuff, I was watching it the whole entire week, watching the kids who's who is like coming up and like being able to do these things on their own.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: And it was.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful to watch.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a combination of those types of things that I think are a lot more prevalent in I don't want to say younger diabetics maybe it's a diabetic that's newer to having diabetes, but the first.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: You know, the first time not using your arm for an injection and using your leg instead, or the first time, managing on your own.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: And equally, if not more important to me, what can't provide from a diabetes management standpoint was, you know, turning into a young adult and having peers and friends and almost like big sibling figures that I could ask stuff to.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: That wasn't mom, wasn't the doctor.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: You know, as I'm, as I'm hitting a college age and preparing for a college lifestyle that involves drinking, involves not the safest activities I can't even imagine what could have happened if I didn't have some awesome figures that I'm still friends with, that recognized cool.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: This is a teenager, this was me 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: And teach me how to do it safely.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in addition to giving you that, hey, you can make basal rate changes.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: You don't need to wait until your four month endo checkup.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Or, you know, if you are recognizing that your blood sugar is high every single day at two, why would you not want a little more insulin before two?
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, so that just that encouragement from older staff members.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Like you know, they were my counselors and then turned into my friends now that I'm a staff member and that was wildly important to me and definitely my health and safety.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I attribute a ton of that to those types of people.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%, 100%.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: All right, Jake, let's move over to you.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I think that your story is going to be really cool to dive into, like this camp thought process, since you're a non diabetic.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: But I would love to hear if you have a story or have some experiences from your friend that you, that you have, that you mentioned at the beginning of the show that's diabetic.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Did you have like different experiences with that, with him or her going through you know that process?
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Well, so, funny enough, the way we became friends was directly correlated to his diabetes.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, so grown up we had the same.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: We were in the same classroom for right before lunch and he wasn't allowed to take his shots by himself, so he had to go to the nurse.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Well, because he had to go to the nurse, he got to leave early and he was always the first one in the lunch room.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I was a little bit of a heavier said kid and I love I just wanted to eat.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: That was my favorite thing to do lunchtime because I got to eat.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, I kind of rigged the system and said I would take him every day, just so I could be first one in lunch out to recess.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: And we've been pretty much best friends ever since.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I'm the best man in his wedding here in about a month, so that's that was kind of how we got introduced to it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: We didn't really talk about it a ton Growing up, like we were friends, but I never made new, but it wasn't.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't have any direct correlation to hey, knowing this, this happened to this or anything like that I know it's always new is Adam who had diabetes.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's how we, that's how we met.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's cool.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: That's cool man Like it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting that type of a story.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Dude, I had buddies that would like argue over who got to walk with me to lunch.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Same exact situation.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, seriously.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I had.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I went to a small school like I was your friends with everyone in the class, so they were like I'm taking Dylan to lunch today, okay, well, fine, you do it today, I'm doing it tomorrow.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: What?
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's hilarious, okay, so like going on this on this rabblehold.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Dylan, what have you done?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: What did you do growing up to get out?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: What did you use your diabetes to get out of?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Man, I never want to use it, at least to my knowledge.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I mean probably like something stupid, like chores or something at home, but like I never once used it to get out of anything, although one time, right before our midterm, I had a buddy that was like Dylan I know I'm asking a lot, is like seventh grade yes, seventh grade, I'm asking a lot of you, but like I did not study for this, can you get me out of this?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And I was like yo teach, I'm gonna have to take this midterm.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I got to go just lay down Austin's going to go with me and just make sure I'm cool.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Dude, that's hilarious that you didn't use it at all really in your life for yourself, but you used it for a friend.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my buddy was like dude like and he was like borderline.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Like you know, he needed to do good on this test.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: He needed to do good on this.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Oh man what a friend, I just I'm not good, what a boy Dude that's awesome, that's hilarious, that's hilarious, so like the one time other than that I just I don't know didn't clean my room and blamed on not feeling good or something.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I was diagnosed at 25.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So I've never really even been in a position to like, use it in that way, Like it was just always okay, whatever.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But even like at my age when I was diagnosed, I've always been the type of person that like you can't, you're not going to tell me what I can or can't do.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So it was like I never tried to get out of anything because I always wanted to do everything.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah for sure, yeah for sure.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: No, I'm the same way.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome guys.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Let's transition to camp, because I really want to get both of your perspectives.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Dale, we heard your kind of story about starting in camp and things.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Jake, let's move to you actually.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about you getting involved in camp.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I heard a little bit, I think, at the beginning, but let's talk about you getting involved in camp and the impact that that's had on you, even maybe with your friend that's a diabetic, or just being in that leadership role, or even just because I think you probably just started, like all of us, in a cabin and obviously moved into leadership.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: So tell me about that journey.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: So when Dylan and I first started hanging out, he tried to get me to go in 2019 and it just wasn't.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't have it in me yet to go.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: I was like, hey.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I was like hey, I'll go next year.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I told him that obviously I'm sitting there.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: He'll ask me next year.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I'll probably say, no, covid happens, so there's no actual camp, it's virtual camp.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, obviously I'm not going to do my first year of camp virtually because, one, I'm not going to know really much of what to do and, two, a lot of the learning aspect will be gone.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: So 2021 happens.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: At this point I'm friends with him and Anthony now, who is the director of camp, and he's given me the whole pressure.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: He's like, jake, you got to go to camp, you got to go to camp, you got to go to camp.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: So, of course, being the friend that I am by cave to peer pressure and I was like, sure, I'll go, don't worry about it, I go and we get through the first week.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I'm learning a bunch of stuff.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: It's great and, honestly, the first thing that happened, I was walking with Matt Vermillion one time and this was the first big learning experience for me and we were walking somewhere, he's like oh, I'm getting low.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And I immediately was like low, that's an issue.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I knew at that point low was an issue just hanging around, don't know enough, and all that stuff.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: So I was like oh, matt, do you need anything?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: He's like dude, chill, it's not as important as you think.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Just take a deep breath, we'll be fine.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: So then that was when I was like okay, we need to just kind of dive more in depth of what low, how low?
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: What are we going to do, instead of just going oh, he's low, what do we need?
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So that was super cool.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: But we got there the first week, great, until we got the Friday to all camp games and we're playing capture the flag and Dylan goes down and I'm like Dylan, you're the reason I came to camp, like you're leaving, he's got almost a torn ACL.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: He's like I can't.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: What.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: What, yeah?
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: And I'm like Dylan, you're abandoning me.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: You told me to come here and you're going to leave me, so he leaves.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I come back for the second week, got through it and it was, honestly, it was a great time.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have changed any of it and I was hooked right from there.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: The jump to leadership was a little bit unexpected.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I kind of got thrown into it a little bit just because we had some people leave didn't work out so well, so we just kind of.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: But once I got a little taste of it, it was like, okay, I want to do more.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And I was like, hey, let's go for a different position next year.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: So I went to head counselor with Rachel, who's fantastic, and it just I'm not sure how far I'll go or what I'll venture to next, but it's been a great learning experience so far and I love it yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Now was this your first year in head counselor.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: So last year was my first year in 2022.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And then this was my second year.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: So crazy man.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But I just I talked to a couple of people that from camp at camp last year when I came up for that day and then like kind of thinking about, like doing stuff with the podcast, that aren't diabetics and I just I think it's so interesting that you, not being a diabetic, are so involved with this organization and this camp because it just it shows not just your integrity, your passion for you know, being a leader and being around kids, but being able to be a, you know, a person that is in front of these kids, leading them, that isn't like them, and a lot of people can't say that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It was tough at first.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not a lie, because it's you're getting thrown in and you're just, you are different from everyone and that's not something that I've necessarily had to deal with growing up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I've been.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I don't have medical problems or anything like that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: So it's like you grow in and they're like oh, you're the one who's different and they're they make jokes and it's funny.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Like it's they make jokes to you.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: They're talking about how, oh, you have a working pancreas, like you're weird and I was like I've never been made fun of for that before.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: So that was funny.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: But they really welcomed me even though I don't have diabetes Always there to be like hey, do this, this is how we do things, blah, blah, blah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And that was probably the biggest benefit factor in just me wanting to do more is they were super accepting of what I was there to do and just help and they were fantastic.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Now the.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: The other interesting piece about this is the whole actual diabetes medical piece.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: On the back end of learning that, that that process of checking blood sugars, like in the cabins or doing the midnight rounds or whatever it is, did you find that difficult at the beginning to kind of grasp those concepts?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily learning all of like.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, if they're between this number and this number, do I give them.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: That was the hardest aspect is learning the, the, the ratios, the math.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: But as far as hey, this kid's asleep, we got to get blood sugars taken.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: That really wasn't something that I struggled with, but definitely learning the ratios and all that stuff was a little bit of a challenge.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Because for even for us that's a challenge.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: You know, like I I'm the first one to admit I do not deal with ratios.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I don't like math, Like I literally eat the same things all the time.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I understand portion control.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I've I've experimented with different things, so when I sit down and eat something, I know exactly how many carbs it is, because I've probably failed at at both bolusing or dosing for that before.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's one of those things is like I think it's very powerful for a diabetic, because it is this concept of understanding what works for you and that is like the only way that people can be successful.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Because I've I've literally been in front of a lot of type ones and type twos that have, like just tried to place their whole entire management style on someone else's success.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, you can't do that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: We have to figure out what's going to work for you and your lifestyle and who you are, your personality, and that's like one of my biggest messages, because people don't understand that to the full extent of of what that really means.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, Absolutely, absolutely.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Dylan, going from being a participant at camp, being a camper, to going into being a counselor, into leadership.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Tell me about that process.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Was that an easy transition for you?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Easy in some ways, difficult in some ways, I would say I, having been at camp for so long and then being a staff member, being kind of one of the more vocal staff members, I feel like all of that transitioning to leadership was kind of sort of simple In work.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm in a leadership role, so the management of people is nothing that's new to me.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: The biggest challenge I had with kind of, you know, becoming a staff member and then becoming, you know, a staff member, telling other staff members what to do or helping, was and I don't have it as much anymore because I'm one of the old dudes there, it feels like but you know, working with staff members who were like no, I remember you being, you know, a little 15-year-old camper, that and by no means was I like causing trouble at camp, but I wasn't the quietest kid.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So they're like no, like you know, I'm not going to listen to you of all people.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So I don't really have that much anymore because, you know, just due to summer camp, most of those people that were older staff members than me are just, unfortunately, due to life, not there.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: There's a few of them, but that would be the biggest challenge.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I would say I've loved everything about it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I mean camp has given so much to me and there's been so many important people, and without people stepping up into leadership roles I wouldn't have had my experiences.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So I mean I love being able to just give back and hopefully repeat that experience for all the kiddos now.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's been for both me.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I love to hear this from both of you guys.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: What has been the biggest impact that you've learned from camp Jake?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It could be from you working at obviously working at camp Dylan.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: If it's even something that you learned as a camper, something that was very impactful, I would love to hear that.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: First and foremost.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I mean it's the people I've met.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I mean the best man in my wedding last year I met at camp when we were in the same cabin when we were 12.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you looked at like the 25 people outside of a media family that I spend the most time talking to, I'd probably be surprised at how many camp people that is.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: They're just great friendships now but they started because of camp.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So I mean by far the biggest takeaway is the people from camp.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Most of I'm not most, but a lot of my best relationships, best friendships in some way shape or form are influenced by camp.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, jake, what about you?
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to disagree.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: And, besides that, just the knowledge that I've gained, I mean when there's been times where I've had to go to Dylan's house because he's just maybe had a few too many to drink and is a little low and being a little stubborn.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Being able to know how to do that and take care of that was very easing on me in that situation because it's not something I necessarily dealt with before, so in that instance it was very easy to take care of, just based on what I've learned from the couple of years I've been there.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry to throw you under the bus, dylan.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Come on Dylan.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Great example I feel like the average you know counselor or staff member from camp that's done it more than one year.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Like you taking average medical professional and medical student that doesn't specialize in diabetes, like just through a summer to a camp.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You know more than people learn through a whole college medical career.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the experiences.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: You can't take the experiences away from either of you, regardless of diabetes or not.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Like the experiences are real life experiences that like 100% shape you.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And that's what I try to tell the kids, the diabetics, the adults, the non-diabetics, everyone I really interact with is your experiences shape your reality.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And if that isn't understood, then you're just kind of moving through life and what's the point?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Then it's like you know your experiences have to really your experiences really just it shapes who you are and shapes your life and it took me even a long time to realize that and figure that out.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, dylan, I want to ask you this question.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I ask all my guests this.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I have some insight on this as well.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: What are like one to three things that you feel you could share with the audience that has just been such an impactful thing on you being a diabetic, and things that you've learned?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's something that you learned later on in life that you wish you would have learned earlier.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Is there like one or three things that you piece of advice you could give to the listeners?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, first piece of advice I could give and this is probably directed at parents with little kids that are thinking about going to you know, whether it's Camp Hamway or whether it's wherever you're at, whether it's your overnight camp.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I was, for like a couple weeks, the eight year old that did not want to go to camp.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I was the eight year old in the parking lot like, no, mom, do not leave me here at camp.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: So that was me, and I'm someone that loves camp, like I feel like you can't love camp more than I do.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So if you have a kid that is a little uneasy and doesn't want to go, just tell them they have to go, because that's what my parents did, and I'm so thankful that they didn't just say, okay, cool, you do not have to go.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So that is a huge piece of advice for your parents.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: If you have little kiddos out there that are thinking about going to camp or something like camp, I'd say the other thing that I want to just make sure everyone knows is and can you do an awesome job always touching on this like you just did, but my diabetes is not your diabetes, can.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: It is not anyone else's diabetes.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I have me personally if I eat ice cream, it doesn't matter how much insulin I could take.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I could probably take like five gallons of insulin and my blood sugar is still going to go high.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Where's I have friends that you know they can eat insulin or they can eat ice cream like normal.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And there's other food groups or other activities that influence them.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Some friends that are really, really, really influenced by caffeine.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You know they can have black coffee with no carbs and it's going to mess with their blood sugar.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: And some friends are like you're messing with me, right?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't have carbs.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: How does it affect your sugar?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So you know you can't base it off of how someone else tells you to treat it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I'd even go as far as to say, like you know, and I've gone through the endo that was my endo, starting out like he's retired now.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I've gone through numerous endos and like, yes, they have some really, really, really good guidance.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: We could not manage it without endos.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: But you can't take everything they say like you know, like it's the Bible or like it's the law.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I've had endos tell me to do something and in my head I'm like that is so stupid.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I know if I do that, things are going to go badly, and that's just because they don't know my diabetes.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: You know it's the first time they've seen me at an appointment and they're trying to make changes because it worked for a previous patient.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Or because they're looking at a very small picture of the puzzle from a CGM or blood, you know, finger sticks or whatever it is, and they're trying to make this crazy change in your management.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Where it's, the management is just, they're focused on the pharmaceutical piece of it and they're trying to make this change to your, to your management style, without taking anything else into account.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Dude, and as you know, obviously, like there's so many variables, even as far as like, we did a vacation a couple of years ago in Colorado and I noticed, I assume, the elevation because I travel all the time, but that was the highest elevation I've been, like my ratios were different.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So it's just like there are so many variables that we're not even thinking of that affect our diabetes management and every person's is different.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: How often do you feel like you need to change your ratios?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Do you change one regular basis, like if you're traveling or if you're sick, or are there times?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Specific times that you do change them.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: No, that's a great question.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm like one of the few staff members from campus still on injections.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I have a fantastic T-Slim that has been sitting in my pantry for like two years because injections just weren't good for me.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm on a dexcom, but I'm on injections and, dude, I kid you not like my, my long lasting insulin.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: It could be different four days in a row, based on what I know I'm about to do, for example, memorial Day or Labor Day.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: We went down this past week.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: We played disc golf Jake, I, three other friends down in Burroke State Park.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It was a hike and a half on top of a disc golf round.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like the elevation change was 95 degrees.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It was just like a workout, like we are all.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I think Jake had a shirt off I don't know if he was hotter, just showing off, but like it was physically intense.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So like I have my long lasting for that day, yeah, whereas like today I know, hey, I'm spending all day in the office.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of appointments, but like they're sitting down at the table, they involve very, very.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Like I have a non physical day to day, so I'm taking more Lantus.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So I would say almost day to day my long lasting is changing.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: My carb ratio stays the same unless I get in a funk.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: For the most part.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting, bill, because you I think about, because I'm on a pump and I've been on a pump for so long I just subconsciously always think about changing ratios based off of what the pump settings are.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And as you were telling that story, I was like thinking to myself like holy shit, yeah, yeah, because when you are on, just on injections, you have so much more flexibility to change your ratios than when you do on pumps.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I've got six different ratio times in my set in my pump.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So if I need to change a ratio for whatever reason travel, sick, whatever it is I got to change all six of them.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, 100%, way more flexibility.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Dude, I never expected to end up on injections for this long and I mean, who's to say I'm on them forever?
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: But it started, I think it was like two or three years ago.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I camp, I was going into camp and I was like cool, I'm just not going to bring my pump, like I'm just a couple of staff members have done it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: You know we use the week to just take a break, like as stupid as it sounds, but like cool, I'm taking a shower with no devices attached to me, like this is awesome, so it's just supposed to be a little vacation.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I was like I'm always within like 100 yards of a meter or a nurse, like what could go wrong?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the pump just has not gone back on yet.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Dude it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: If it works for you, it works for you, man.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: it drives me crazy when people talk about this whole like, oh, technology, technology, technology, technology is amazing.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: It is amazing.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not work for everyone.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: A gram prime example that it literally.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: We started the podcast in 2019, me and Graham, and it took me almost three years to get him on a CGM.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Three years, almost three years to get out my Dexcom that is.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the Dexcom for me is the most important tool in my toolbox for management.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, like it's.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I believe that it's the.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It is the thing that we we absolutely have to have as a CGM 100.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: But I, to go back to what I was like saying, is like I get so irritated with, like medical.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I get so irritated with people that are like, people that always say, like I got to get my daughter, I got to get this person on a pump, or I should go on a pump.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what is, what is your levels right now?
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: How is your management style right now?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Do you like where you're at?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Do you like where you're at?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Do you like where you're at?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Do you like where you're at?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Do you like how you feel like, because those specific questions are going to get out of them, like whatever those questions are going to get out of them Like well, actually, yeah, I do like how I feel my A1C is really good, so why are we going to?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Why do you need to make a change?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Then Just stay where you're at?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I've.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough during this break to find a, a Pedro, which is a fast acting insulin.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: You know it takes the place of Novolock or Humilob, which are the popular ones, and it is not approved to be using a pump because it's non lubricated so it can't travel through the tubing, I guess is what I'm told.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So it is an insulin out of, never discovered, and for me it just works like just that, much better than Novolock or Humilob does.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm curious have you tried a Fresa?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I have not.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I've had Humilob, Novolock, LISPRO and which is the same as Humiloc, I believe, and then a Pedro, the ones I've tried.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I've heard great things about it, though.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: It's very fascinating that it's an inhaled insulin that works way faster than any insulin out there.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Limjib is another one that I really like, but when I use it in the pump it burns, sometimes more often than it should, so I wish I could take it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I wish I could be confident enough to take it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I still have a vial at home that I probably will try again, but I really liked it when it was working because it's it's so fast.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, do you do pens or just do shots?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Man, honestly, I got the whole arsenal.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I had a boy, a boy.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I got a pen's prescription.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: You know, due to medical costs in the States here.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: When my mother-in-law went down to Cabo, she came back with a lot of insulin because it's over the counter and affordable down there, and those are all vials of Humiloc, yeah yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: So I have options, to say the least.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't get me started on the US insulin insurance thing.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Although it's better it's a little bit better now, but still it's insane.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And not just insulin.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Even third even trying to get supply sometimes is insane.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's something that I've been minorly involved with.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Coda has done some stuff.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I went with the ex-director she's in a different position now, but we went to the you know the state house and we've been there lobbying multiple times talking to political figures.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So that is something that you know.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You think camp hand-way, you think of the summer camp, but that is something that the other 11 months out of the year that the team is working on are issues like that.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: So things behind the scenes that you don't think about, that I've had the luck to or the fortune enough to dabble in and just help with in my random roles.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: So that's some stuff that Anthony and the team over at you know, coda and Life Care work on all the time.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to get Anthony to get me a invite to the diabetes camp conference to like speak or something or just to be there.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, that would be, so cool.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to get.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to, we're trying to figure that out, see if we can make it happen.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Man, that'd be awesome.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I just I've never been myself, of course, but I hear from Anthony all the time and this seemed like just a great experience out there.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's told me really good things about it.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, jake, oh man, that was a long time brother, that's okay.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: What's one or three things from you, from your perspective, that you have kind of learned from camp or learned being in the diabetes community.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: A piece of advice that you could give from the outside, kind of looking in.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one of the biggest things is handling diabetics when they're either high or low, because you guys obviously know their attitudes change, things are different.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: You have to kind of be able to work within that Some people are different than others but being able to figure out with that person okay, they're low, this is how they're going to react, and not either falling for it or just not going along with it, just kind of letting it subside and moving on.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: That was one of the bigger things is learning how to deal with the person and how they're feeling at that point.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I think that this feelings thing is very interesting because we hear so much about oh well, what does the DEXCOM say?
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: What does the finger stick say?
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, it says that it's 90, but you feel low.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: That feeling tells us so much about what the next step is.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: It's interesting with the DEXCOM because I believe the DEXCOM is the more powerful of the three CGMs right, our four CGMs.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: But even it's not always correct.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I think the feeling piece is so important for us to understand because of that technology not being 100% all the time.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: You don't want to give yourself a bolus when you're actually lower than the number says.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Or you don't want to give yourself a bolus and now you didn't give yourself enough because really you're actually 30, 40, 50 milligrams per deciliter higher.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: The feeling, I think, is really important.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: And it's hard too for someone like me, because I think I have both spectrums hypoglycemic unawareness and I think I have hyperglycemic unawareness.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: The feelings piece is sometimes very hard for me.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't even feel anything until I'm 60, and coming back, coming down, it's one of those things.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm trying to always be in tune with those feelings and it's such a powerful thing.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Dylan just looks like.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: There's some times where I don't know I'll be out doing stuff and I can tell just by looking at him, looking at him straight in the face he's one or the other.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I can't necessarily distinguish the two, but I know that he's either one side or the other.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's also a very powerful thing for Dylan having you as that support too.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: You guys were out doing discs the other day and the heat and you being able to recognize those symptoms or recognizing that body language and say, dude, are you okay?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: And then you automatically know how to act if something goes wrong.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, guys, there's usually always a set of glucose tabs or some type of gummies in my center console, just in case Dude straight up, it's normal.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I'm driving in my car.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like cool, I have gummies on deck.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I'm driving with my wife in the car.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'm low, cool, I got stuff right here.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Not many friends like Jake.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh crap, I'm low.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: He's like no dude, I put this stuff in here this morning.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It's like he's already on top of it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Man, he's already on top of it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Being at camp man.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: It's subconscious.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: He's already got it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: He's already got it down, man, I would say just another random advice.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jake, Go ahead Dylan.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Oh no, you're good Go ahead.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I would say just another random piece of advice, and this might go for some of those teenagers out there if you're listening that are diabetic.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: My parents always had me telling everyone about it.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: All the friends that I'm spending time with you would struggle to have ever found me in a small group of people where at least one person did not know I was diabetic and knew what to do in case of emergency.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Flash forward to my best friend as I'm hanging out with him in college, I find out that there's close people in his life that don't even know he's diabetic.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like my goodness, how many times have you put yourself in a position where, if something went wrong, no one would know what is wrong?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Thankfully, we've talked about my support system, bringing it up, and it was so normal for me to tell everyone about it.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Whereas to the next person, can I imagine what it's like getting diagnosed later in life, having to change how you think and act?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Lucky for me, that's all I know.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know any better.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Make sure, guys, if you're one of those younger people out there, or even if you are older, if you're hanging out in small groups, you're doing things like maybe you're going on a run with a group of people or whatever Someone in that group needs to have your back and know what's happening if something goes wrong.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: The support of that is very important.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I love this thought process of support.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: It is one of the things that I'm always thinking about, because we always think about support.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like every time I talk to someone, I ask someone what's your support system?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: They're like oh, it's great.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: My wife or my spouse or my friends, my family, I got all these people.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Not one of those people is diabetic.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just like that is amazing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: It's amazing that you have that emotional support, but that's not really your diabetes support.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Diabetes support is the podcast, the social media friends that you have, anybody that you know that's a diabetic, people that are in the community doing things like Jake that's not a diabetic Other caregivers or whatever it is.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: That is the power of diabetes support.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: It's so interesting to have those conversations with people.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Jake does do a good job too.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: He's always pretty tasty treats too.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: He's just giving me some crappy fruit snacks.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: He stays loaded with some pretty good stuff.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Just in case I get hungry.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I want to be able to eat it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: The question is have you ever flipped out on him?
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: He's giving you something You're like.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: What the heck is this?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: This is nasty.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: What are you giving me?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I hope I haven't.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: I don't buy bad snacks.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, that's what I'm going to happen then.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Okay cool, oh gosh, that's great.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Well, fellas, I really appreciate you coming on talking about all this.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: This has been incredible talking to you guys outside of camp Dylan.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I had really good conversations.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: You had the bonfire during camp Jake.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I got to hear some more about your story and how involved and how you got involved with camp.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: It's been a great honor and a pleasure to one work with you guys this summer and just be in that environment, but also to have you guys on and talk to you.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate you guys coming on and doing this.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I can't do enough for you, yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Everyone that's listening reach out to these two guys.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: They've got Dylan's got a lot of great knowledge about diabetes.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I'm always talking about improving or increasing the people in your inner circle.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: These two are going to be two really good resources for you guys.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: So, fellas, if you could just tell us, like, if you guys have any social media handles, how can people kind of reach out if they want to ask you some questions, Dylan, about your journey, Jake about your journey as well, like how can people connect with you guys?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely Instagram.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: If you search Dylan Connect, it's KNE CHT.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: In case you haven't seen that somewhere on here, search me.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It's DylanConnectrealters, my Instagram handle.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Message me Dylan Connect on Facebook.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I'm on Facebook pretty often.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Those are the two main ways to get a hold of me.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I'm always happy to answer any questions.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Or you just want someone to talk to about diabetes?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to just be in here to listen.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I love it, love it.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much the same too.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: For me, for Instagram, it's Jake Miller on the Score Real Tour and then Jake Miller on Facebook.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Like he said, feel free to reach out to either of us.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: We'd be happy to answer any questions or just be there if you need it, love it, love it.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks again, guys.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: This was great.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Thanks everybody for listening.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: We'll catch everybody next time.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks again, ken.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for being a part of the Can't Family now.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, brother, thank you, thank you, Thanks everybody, thanks everybody.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to answer any questions or just be there for you guys.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks again, byeans, Bye for now.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, bye now.