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Mega Edition: Transcripts From The DOJ's Sit Down With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 13-15) (6/7/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
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left off with the Glenn Maxwell DOJ transcripts Blanche. So,
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when we stopped to take a break, we were talking
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about what has been publicly discussed as a black book
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or the Epstein List, and that's where we are. And
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you said you think you might know or that you're
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aware of kind of the origin of this narrative. Maxwell, right,
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I just want to reiterate again that there's no list
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that I'm aware of. I've never at any time, at
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least during the period of time when I was Blanche. Okay,
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Maxwell present The origin of this story, I believe begins
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or it has the beginning, in two thousand and nine,
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and then it has a prequel. But we have to
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start in two thousand and nine. In two thousand and nine,
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Epstein is I think, out of jail and there are
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civil suits taking place. Many of these are coming out
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of the disgraced law firm Rostein Adler Rosstein Rosenfeldt and
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Adler at that law firm is a lawyer who started
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there in April May two thousand and nine. Call Brad
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Edwards in two thousand and nine. Allegedly, the FBI gets
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a call in October of two thousand and nine from
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Brad Edwards and he allegedly tells them that he has
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come across a piece of evidence that belongs to Epstein
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that contains a list of all his clients and victims
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underage girls, massage therapists, and the men who are having
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sex with them. And he Brad Edwards becomes a cooperating
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witness Saffian confidential Maxwell confidential informant, sorry confidential informant for them,
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and in a sting operation, obtains the list from a
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former butler of Epstein's called Alfredo Rodriguez, and it becomes
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evidence in the civil suit. In the Alfredo Rodriguez is
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subsequently prosecuted for having an AK forty seven or something
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weird so guns or something and goes to trial, and
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they're a criminal complaint that the FBI produced, and in
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that criminal complaint it says that Brad Edwards became aware
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of the list, but we'll call it the list for
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the purposes of this after Alfredo Rodriguez two depositions that
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are held in Epstein's civil suit. It's in the FBI's
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affid David that the evidence was collected and Brad Edwards
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became aware of it after the second deposition. It's in
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the criminal complaint. The truth is different from what's in
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both the criminal complaint and in the FBI Affid David
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and in Brad Edwards's own statements on the subject. The
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truth is that Alfredo Rodriguez was deposed twice, once in
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July and once in August, and in the July deposition
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told Brad Edwards that he had handwritten notes or a
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journal whatever in the deposition, and Brad Edwards replies, well,
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we're going to come back for a second deposition, and
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the second deposition takes place in August. What this means
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is that Brad Edwards had access to the list from
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some time between July and August into when he actually
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called the FBI in October, so we're talking six months
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or so. Rostein's firm was rated a few days after
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the list went into the FBI's hands, and subsequently Rostein
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himself was prosecuted for RICO, and I believe went to
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jail for fifty years as part of that RICO case.
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He admitted to on the record, I don't know whether
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he was prosecuted for creating fake settlements and fake evidence
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in Epstein's case in two thousand and nine. Simultaneously, whilst
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this was going on, my boyfriend Ted Waite was asked
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for ten million dollars to keep me out of any
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of Epstein's civil suits. Up until then, I had not
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been in any of Epstein's civil suits. In fact, I
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wasn't even sure say for the first time I was
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mentioned was redacted, I hadn't been. I was basically nowhere.
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And then Ted was called for his ten million dollars
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and had been shown his people had been shown evidence
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that included the list, the flight logs, and various other
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pieces of evidence. Now we're going to the prequel part
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of this story, so then it can tie how this starts.
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In two thousand and seven, Epstein signs the non prosecution agreement.
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He then fights the prosecution agreement or debates it through
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the DOJ or whatever happened there. What is she a
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little Carmine from the Sopranos, your brother Billy, whatever happened there,
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and then it goes to court in two thousand and
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eight when it's accepted or whatever that is Pilafana was
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the lead prosecutor or lead yes in that case, and she,
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I think was not happy with the outcome and utilized
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at the time Brad Edwards to file the CVR case. Now,
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what is what I have managed to understand from this
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Within the OPR itself, there is evidence there It says
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that Brad Edwards was the only lawyer that she was
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allowed to talk to. So I just want to preface
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that the reason why I know that she went behind
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the Costa's back and everything else to do this is
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because Brad Edwards, in a podcast made the revelation. What
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he says is that he'd never heard of the CVR
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case before and Villa Fanna called him and told them
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to file it. The sole purpose of the CVRA was
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to overturn the non prosecution agreement. So what I believe
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is that Villa Fano worked with Brad Edwards when she
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was also the lawyer for what she had selected as
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a pro bono lawyer for some of the victims, and
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he was also working for the Rostein firm that was
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under RICO investigation for the entire time, creating fake evidence
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in Epstein's case, and she had just filed hidden secret
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using Edwards to overturn the NPA by filing this CVR case.
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That sole purpose was to overturn it, and so when
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he approached her with the list, this was part of
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the effort to utilize and find new evidence to support
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the overturning either of the NPA or a new case
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against Epstein because Brad Edwards or I don't know it
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was Brad Edwards, because Rostein's firm asked my then boyfriend
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for ten million to kick me out of the suits
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that I had no knowledge of at the time whatsoever.
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I now know that the base of this story was
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a blackmail of a billionaire because Ted Waite was a
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multi billionaire at everything. He was way way more wealthy
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than Epstein, if anyone cares, and that's the reason why
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Ted and I broke up. That was the basis of
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this blanche so Maxwell and that list was created. The
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messuses that were on the list, I have never heard of,
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some of them, not even from the civil suits that
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had come up since I've seen it, and this is
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now knowing what's in the list today Alfredo Rodriguez, So
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there's a metamorphois of the list. So the original statement
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that Brad Edwards makes that's in the documents contemporaneously, is
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that it pieces of paper that Alfredo has. It then
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morphs into something that Alfredo took, a book that Alfredo
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took from Epstein's computer. But there's no computer I know,
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certainly not in two thousand and five when this was
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allegedly taken, that came out as a book, and then
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it morphed into at the civil time, my civil case,
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into a book that was taken from my computer, and
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then it morphed into the Southern District of New York
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as a common nation list of mine in Epstein's that's
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the metamorphosis through documents that you can trace, Blanche, So
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in your mind or from what you just described, there
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is a list. It's just manufactured, meaning you have seen
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the list, even fake like you know, Maxwell, I haven't
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seen it, but Blanche I was confused, Maxwell, So I
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guess my thing is that what Brad Edwards says in
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all these things in the paperwork and whatnot, so all
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this story is basically controlled by five people. There's four
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alleged victims that speak about the list and the blackmail
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and the men and the sex and whatnot, and the
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lawyers and now the prosecutor. Sorry, the Southern District of
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New York for sure, but no one else. None of
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these stories carry from any of the forty four alleged
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original victims. They never ever said that they were farmed
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out to anybody. Well, yeah, that's because they were for
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Epstein's personal enjoyment. The other girls, well that was business, Blanche.
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But the list itself, Maxwell, yes, Blanche, where is it? Maxwell?
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There is no list, But Brad Edwards said that he
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created the list, Blanche. So that's what I was a
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little confused about. Maxwell. Sorry, he created a list. So
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in the book that Alfred ol Rodriguez produced that became
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evidence Exhibit fifty two in my trial has markings all
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over it, circles and dots whatnot? Blanche? Uh huh? And
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Brad Edwards says, this is Maxwell now that he got
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Alfred ol Rodriguez to mark up the book. Of all
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the people who are involved. It includes Alan Dershowitz for
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the record, who's marked. I don't remember what it does
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with Donald Trump. I don't know. You'd have to look.
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I don't have it, but I believe she's cut off
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by Blanche. I see Maxwell, So what he did he
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marked up I don't know who. Somebody marked up that
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book of names, and I think all the names of
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the people that they went for were originally selected between
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two sources. One was this alleged book of names and
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one was also from the telephone logs that were collected
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from the house and beach. And just to finish it off,
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there is I have some papers for you if you
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wanted them where Brad Edwards says that he has a
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list of twenty five men that he got money off of.
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Blanche Okay. So the list that everybody the black book,
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the list that you're saying your exhibit fifty two for
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your trial, which is like more of an address book,
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a rolodex type thing that mister Rodriguez, Alfredo Rodriguez. Your
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understanding is that somewhere along the way you went through
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and kind of marked that list to say, Maxwell, I
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don't know where that book actually comes from. Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
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I don't know what that book is. That book is
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some type of compilation, but what it is, it's just
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pieces of paper with type. So if you had you
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could have made the list, it could have been she
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gets cut off. But you're referring to something that's been
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public for a long time. We're thinking about the same
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thing you're talking about. You're right, it's like a bunch
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of different types of paper or whatever. I only have
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a copy of it, but with big parts of it
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wheredakt and publicly because there was people's addresses and whatnot
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on it. Maxwell. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, perfect, Yeah,
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you'll find it, Blanche. We're looking at exhibit fifty two now, Maxwell,
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So you're looking at exhibit fifty two. So the one
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they produced the Southern District of New York actually produced
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a book for me to see. It has evidence the
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actual thing it was, and it has marks, it has tabs,
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it has things, it has names. I've never seen like
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that list. That list was basically the names that they
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chose to produce a trial. Now, in Rostein's Adler's firm,
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I also have some documents where Rostein his original scheme
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Rostein Adler, was to play prostitutes. He had a bar,
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a dance bar where he had girls, and I believe
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he would use them and put them as fake secretaries
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in people's offices and then she might touch them or
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might touch her or something and boom, he got twenty
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five g's for that. And those girls. I'm not saying
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that those are the girls that came in Epstein's case necessarily,
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but Blanche, again, so we're separating the evidence that came
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in at your trial and what you just talked about
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with Brad Edwards and mister Rodriguez. During the time that
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you were with mister Epstein, and even in the two
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thousands when you were around less frequently, you never observed
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or you never saw any sort of list or black
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book or a list of individuals who you know linked
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to certain messuses or Maxwell. Absolutely no, Blanche, anything like that. Maxwell,
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absolutely no. There is no list that I'm aware of,
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and there's no blackmail. I never heard of that. I
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never saw it, and I never imagined it. Blanche. While
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we're on the topic, and again, I know we're jumping
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around and we've been going on it for a while,
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so I apologize. But there's recent reports about a birthday
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book that you assemble for mister Epstein, I think for
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his fiftieth birthday in two thousand and three. Maxwell, that's true, Blanche,
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what will you know about that? Maxwell? Well, so my
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mom did a birthday book for my father at his sixtieth.
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And when Epstein would talk about his fiftieth, he said,
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I don't know what I'm going to do, and I said, well,
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these are nice things. My mom did this book for
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my dad. He said, I love that idea. He said,
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can you help coordinate it? And he called a lot
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of people himself. I coordinated putting together of the book,
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and some instances I call people that asked them to contribute, Blanche,
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And what was in the book? Like, what was the
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ask of the people you called Glenn Maxwell? It's his
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fiftieth birthday, Say anything you want on a piece of paper, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
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I mean nothing more than that, Blanche, right. I mean
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it was an obvious question, but you basically his folks
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were invited to send something to you to celebrate his birthday. Maxwell, Yeah,
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to say happy birthday with like have a wonderful day
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or something else. There was no no one to ask.
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But I wasn't responsible for everything in that book, and
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there were people that he would ask himself to contribute, Blanche,
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And do you remember do you remember specific names of
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individuals who did send letters or who did contribute Maxwell,
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it's been a long time. I want to tell you,
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but I don't remember Blanche, do you, Maxwell? I honestly
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don't remember Blanche. The article talks about several names, but
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including the folks. The article which is on Donald Trump.
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Do you remember President Trump submitting a letter or a
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card or a note? Maxwell? I don't, Blanche? Do you
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think the articles? Do you remember seeing that book or
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any portion of the letters in your discovery in New York? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
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what do you remember? Maxwell? I remember there were some
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portions of that book, but what surprised me. What surprised
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me was how few there were, because I thought, if
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you had those, where are the rest? There were none
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for mister Trump, mister Blanche in your discovery, Maxwell, Oh,
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in my discovery, Sorry, President Trump, there was nothing from
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President Trump, Blanche. And do you remember, but separate and
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apart from your discovery, do you remember, one way or
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the other whether President Trump submitted a letter for his
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fiftieth birthday? Maxwell? I don't remember. And the article that
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references the letter talks like sounds like either a naked
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picture of a naked woman. Do you have recollection of that? Maxwell?
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I do not, But no I don't. Blanche. Do you
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remember seeing from your discovery around the book, like you said,
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portions of it or some of the pages. What do
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you remember, Maxwell? I remember there was maybe just I
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want to say about discovery that I had about Maybe
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this is an exaggeration. I'm not sure, but in my mind,
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it's close to five million pages, five million documents. It
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was a lot. End of that giant document dump that
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I received. I was only maybe as much as thirty
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to thirty five percent. I was never able to access.
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And this is documented at court, and so I cannot
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say that I saw everything because I didn't. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
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I just want you to know that, and I think
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that was by design, Blanche. But you remember, I do
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remember some pages, Blanche seeing some pages of the book, Maxwell,
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I do, yes, Blanche, Okay, do you remember what pages
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you saw, like who had written those letters or no? Maxwell,
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I really don't remember. I'm sorry, Blanche, it's okay, it's okay.
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So the same questions as before. Did you meet Bill
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Gates over the years, Glanne Maxwell? Yes, all right. We're
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gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode
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dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we
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left off. All of the information that goes with this
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episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this week, we left off with the Glenn Maxwell DOJ transcript. Blanche, Okay,
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have you ever met Bill Gates over the year? Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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because of your relationship with mister Epstein or separate, Maxwell, Well,
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I met mister Gates. I went to the TED conference.
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I went to the TED conference, and I actually spoke
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at the TED conference, not the main stage, the sub stage.
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And I also gave several TED ex's. But I met
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him there. But we were friendly, and I actually did
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meet him because I knew. I don't know if he
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was chief of staff or whoever Boris and I met him.
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I think once. I may have met him actually at
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seventy first Street. I may have once. I don't remember.
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If I met him there or at a restaurant, I
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don't remember. And that would have been because Epstein, because
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Epstein was friendly with Boris and Boris that's all I remember, Blanche.
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Do you know whether mister Gates traveled with mister Epstein
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on his plane to any of his houses? Maxwell. So
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if that that's the friendship was after you know, I
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was in the late two thousands, So if I met him,
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like I said, I went to Epstein's house maybe once
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or twice, maybe met him there. I don't remember, Blanche,
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So you don't remember Maxwell, So I wouldn't know if
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he had been to Epstein's plane. Blanche, you don't recall
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ever being on the plane with him, flying to the
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island or anywhere. Maxwell, No, Blanche. Do you know somebody
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named Reid Hoffman? Maxwell? I do, Blanche. Who's that Maxwell
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reads a Silicon Valley guy, Blanche? Is what Maxwell? A
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Silicon Valley guy, Blanche? And how do you know him? Maxwell?
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Through my friends in San Francisco. I used to have
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a very close friend who was in San Francisco. Who's
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part of that whole? Well? Actually I have several or had, Blanche.
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So is that a relationship you had kind of separate
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apart from mister Epstein Maxwell separate, Blanche? Do you know
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whether mister Epstein had a relationship with Reid Hoffman Maxwell?
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I don't know, Blanche. Did you ever observe mister Hoffman
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flying anywhere with you or mister Epstein? Maxwell? No, Blanche
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getting a massage. Maxwell, No, Blanche, there's a list of
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multiple messuses that is floating around. I think you had
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in your discovery. I think you were just thinking about
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that that list. Do you know how that list was created? Maxwell,
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All that stuff that came out of that book, I
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now find suspect Blanche as part of the story you
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just told. Maxwell. Yeah, Now, I'm not saying it's all fake.
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I don't know what's real and what's not. I don't
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Blanche understood, Maxwell, I know that name is true. Now
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what it's been to my mind anyway, now that it
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has been, without a doubt contaminated and possibly fraudulent, I
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don't know. I mean, obviously the numbers that I recognize
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are my own, those are real, but how it actually
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ended up put together and compiled and the purpose for it,
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for which then they blackmailed my boyfriend. Now, just know, Blanche,
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over the years when you were serving as like the
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general manager to the mid nineties all the way into
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the two thousands, did you or do you know whether
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anyone maintained a list of all the messuses like a
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running list, Maxwell, So there would have been there's two things,
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well three ways. So I know that the house itself,
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John Alessi had a rolodex that he kept the names
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and numbers of all the people that came to the
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house so that he could call because I only was
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with Epstein even at best half the time. So when
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I was there, he had like his chief of staff
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who could find whatever he needed. And when I wasn't there,
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he had to rely on somebody else, right, So it
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had been that John Alessi or whoever else, So everybody
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whoever was traveling with him or wherever he was, he
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needed somebody else to access information. So he had an
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assistant chief who was his secretary, who would you know,
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be the one who would update his computer, you know,
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like everybody has an address book, Blanche. But that's what
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you're described. It makes sense. I'm just that was a
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list of messuses or a list of people that might
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need to be contacted, which would necessarily include a lot
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of massuses. Maxwell, that's the latter, Blanche. And did you
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update that? Like were you part? Were you one of
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the people that would add names to it? Like if
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a massus came and leaves and mister Epstein says, yes,
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she was good, would you be part like how how
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was the list kind of maintained or who maintained it Maxwell?
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Typically no, Blanche, no Maxwell, because there would be an
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assistant who would do that. Plus Epstein would not allow
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me to answer the telephone ever, so to maintain or
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to keep any of his messages in the office or
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at the house. So typically that wouldn't be because I
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wouldn't be the one. Could I say to you I
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never did it? No, of course, not because that just
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seems ludicrous. But as a rule of thumb, the answer
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would be no. During the two thousand and seven eight
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nine in investigation, the investigation, the investigation out of the
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Southern District of Florida. So you said that you weren't
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contacted by law enforcement Maxwell, I was not, Blanche. After
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mister Epstein was charged, did you have a conversation with
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him about the investigation? Maxwell? He never talked to me
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about it, Blanche. Did you he's cut off by Maxwell?
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I mean, I can't, let's put it this way. If
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he did, I have no recollection of it. I mean,
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I'm sure he must have said this is all whatever
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he said, or it's nothing or whatever. I mean, I
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just don't have any I just don't have any memory
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I was with Ted, I was like, gone, I mean, plus,
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I just didn't want to know either, I suppose Blanche.
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So you don't know firsthand by or why the US
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attorney in Florida made the deal that he did, meaning
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you aren't part of that discussion along the way, Like
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mister Epstein didn't say I'm getting a good deal, or
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you know, something is happening with the case that's very
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good to the extent you know anything about it, it's
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just from what you've heard or read from others, not
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from mister Epstein. Is that right? Maxwell? He never talked
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about the non prosecution directly with me, No, but he
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did David Marcus. But it's still enforceable as to her, Maxwell,
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I mean, he never said, hey, are you happy with
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the deal like that? But I understood he never enjoined
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me to the NPA. But I understand that he included
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me specifically. And I'll tell you why. Marcus, Well, it's okay,
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you don't need to get into that. Of course she doesn't. Huh.
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This whole entire thing is such a goddamn jerk off.
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I can't even believe if people read this and were like, oh,
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you know what we have the clarity we need, because
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that's certainly not what this provides. Blanche. Yeah, I don't
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want to talk about the legal or what's on appeal. Maxwell, Well,
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I wasn't Blanche the reason for my question. I'm not
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trying to hide something, but there's a very strong belief
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that he got a very good deal and that he
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should she he should have been sentenced to more time
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or got a different sentence from the Feds than a
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non prosecution agreement. And I'm not asking you to opine
23:09
on that, but I'm wondering whether he ever talked to
23:12
you about that. But it sounds like he didn't maxwell
23:15
that he got a good deal. No, I think actually
23:18
well as comments that I've read was that he didn't
23:21
think he got a good deal. And I think that
23:23
you know, when he fought it's so hard, it's because
23:26
he didn't think he did, Blanche, when he was serving
23:29
a sentence, were you around during that time, like when
23:33
he was allowed to leave during the day or travel
23:36
during the day, Maxwell, I never called him, I never
23:39
saw him, and I never went to the jail, Blanche.
23:42
So I'm going to ask you some questions that you
23:44
shouldn't read into them. I just want to know whether
23:46
you whether they resonate with you. Have you ever had
23:50
any contact with any representative that you know of from ASAD,
23:54
the Israeli intelligence agency? Maxwell? Can you ask me that again?
23:59
Have you ever ever have been in contact with an
24:01
individual that you understand to be from MASAD, an Israeli
24:04
intelligence agency? Maxwell? Will not deliberately, Blanche? Pardon me, Maxwell,
24:11
not deliberately, Blanche. Okay, And did you know we talked
24:15
about this a little bit earlier, but just to put
24:17
a finer point on it, did you ever know that
24:20
mister Epstein Were you ever told did you ever think
24:24
that mister Epstein was getting any money from any intelligence agency,
24:28
including MASAD? Maxwell? Well, I don't believe so, but I
24:32
wouldn't know. I mean, I would be very surprised if
24:35
he did. I don't think so, No, Blanche. We've talked
24:38
a lot about names, and I'm sure that there's some
24:41
that we haven't covered. Are there any foreign nationals right
24:45
now that we've talked about? Some British the royal family
24:48
a little bit, and maybe high society folks in Britain.
24:52
Were there any international businessmen or politicians that had a
24:55
very close relationship or close relationship with mister Epstein that
24:59
we haven't talked to about already. Off the top of
25:02
my head, I can think about Ehud Barack. Blanche. You
25:06
said that mister Epstein at some point in the mid
25:08
to late nineties he started taking testosterone. Did you ever
25:12
know him to take any other drugs? Maxwell? No, I
25:15
mean he took pills for his heart I think, but
25:18
I don't know no other substances. Do you know anything
25:21
about his heart condition? I know we talked about this,
25:24
you know, nine forty five this morning, But do you
25:27
know anything about his heart condition beyond what you understood
25:30
that he had a heart condition that affected his ability
25:32
to have sex? Maxwell, other than what he told me. No,
25:37
he never shared anything. But he did take pills. I
25:40
don't know. I don't know anything above that. Like I said,
25:44
he did the testosterone, which made him mean, Blanche, And
25:47
we're jumping around a little bit. Maxwell. Sorry, Blanche, Sorry.
25:51
Do you know someone named Donald Barr Maxwell? No, Blanche,
25:56
I can represent to you he was former headmaster of
25:59
the school which you mentioned earlier. Maxwell, All right, Blanche,
26:04
do you remember any conversation with Epstein about a book
26:07
that mister Barr wrote called the space relations Maxwell, I
26:12
never heard of that, Blanche, about aliens and sex Maxwell, No, Blanche,
26:17
do you know whether, well, have you ever met with
26:20
former Attorney General of the United States Bill Barr? Maxwell, no, Blanche.
26:25
Do you remember whether mister Epstein knew him or whether
26:28
his name ever came up in conversations you had with
26:30
mister Epstein? Glam Maxwell, I don't recall any Blanche. Okay,
26:35
did you have a relationship or no? I'm using a relationship,
26:38
but I appreciate you don't like the word. Did you
26:41
know of mister Epstein's brother Mark Epstein? Maxwell, yes, Blanche.
26:46
How did you know him? Maxwell? Through Epstein? Blanche? How
26:50
would you describe your relationship close? Friendly, Maxwell, my personal Blanche, Yes, Maxwell,
26:57
not that close, but friendly enough. I mean, you know, Blanche.
27:02
How was Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with his brother Mark from
27:05
what you observed? Maxwell, I mean they were brotherly, but
27:08
I think I don't know. I don't know. They had
27:10
periods when they were closer than when they weren't. I
27:14
think sometimes Epstein found his brother irritating, Blanche. And I
27:18
think I know the answer is given what you just
27:20
said about Bill Barr. But did you ever hear from
27:25
mister Epstein or anybody else that Bill Barr had any
27:27
role in mister Epstein getting a good plead deal in
27:30
Florida or any role in the process with mister Acosta.
27:34
Glen Maxwell, I never heard that. All right, folks, we're
27:38
gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode
27:40
dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up from where
27:42
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27:49
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
27:53
this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
27:55
off with Glenn Maxwell and here fireside chat with the
27:59
deal Jay Todd, Blanche and I think I know the
28:03
answer is given what you just said about Bill Barr.
28:06
But did you ever hear any from mister Epstein or
28:09
anybody else that Bill Barr had any role in mister
28:12
Abstein getting a good plead deal in Florida or any
28:15
role in that process with mister Acosta. Maxwell, I'd never
28:19
heard that, Blanche. I think you said this in an interview,
28:22
But if I'm wrong, forgive me. Do you have a
28:25
view of mister Epstein of whether he committed suicide or
28:28
whether something else happened to this. David Marcus interrupts, Can
28:31
we take a break, Blanche? You want to take a break,
28:35
David Marcus, Yeah, sure, Blanche, Yeah, we can take a break. Sure. Actually,
28:39
it's a good time to take a break anyway, because
28:42
it's to be the last one of the day. Yo.
28:45
If I'm ever in trouble for anything, I hope that
28:47
Todd Blanche is the one giving me a deposition. Holy shit,
28:51
Spencer Horn. All right, so we're going to take a break.
28:54
It's two fifty three Thursday July twenty fourth Horn work
29:00
continuing with the recorded profit of Miss Maxwell. The time
29:03
is now three ten pm, Thursday July twenty fourth. Blanche,
29:07
my colleagues alerted me to a couple of questions. I
29:09
think I may have forgotten to ask you. One is sorry,
29:13
I'm just going through my notes. Well, we talked a
29:15
few minutes ago about this birthday book that there is
29:17
press about. I understand you don't remember anything with President
29:21
Trump or a lot about the book anyway. Do you
29:24
remember asking President Trump to submit a letter for that Maxwell?
29:28
I do not, Blanche. And do you remember would you
29:31
have been the one to do that, or could somebody else?
29:34
Would somebody else have done it? Maxwell, I did ask
29:37
some people. I don't remember, mister Trump, I don't remember
29:41
who I did ask. But Epstein also asked people himself directly, Maxwell,
29:46
So it could have happened that way, if it happened
29:48
at all, Blanche, where is that? And to this FBI agent,
29:52
Diego Pistana interrupts, You mentioned a hud Barack Maxwell, Yeah,
29:58
Diego Pistana, what was his int Maxwell? This would have
30:02
been in the later two thousands, So I do not
30:04
know how they met, but I do know that day.
30:07
I don't know if friendly would be the right word.
30:09
I don't know that, but I know that they saw
30:11
each other. And only because my father. You know, anything
30:14
that touches Israel or the state of Israel, I'm always
30:17
interested in because my father loved Israel, and so I
30:20
pay attention to it and we have ties to you know,
30:23
to Israel, Yeah, you sure do. And your father was
30:27
interested in Israel. No, he was an asset working with Israel.
30:32
But like Jeffrey Epstein, Robert Maxwell was only really loyal
30:36
to the Almighty Buck Blanche when you said it was
30:40
later though, Maxwell interrupts them, ties meaning friends and family relations.
30:45
Blanche was the prime minister, was mister Brock prime Minister Brock.
30:49
Do you know what the nature of his relationship was
30:52
with mister Epstein? Maxwell, I don't, Blanche. Do you know
30:56
were they ever with them together? Maxwell? I think I met.
31:00
I have a memory of meeting Ahood, but I don't
31:02
know if he was with Epstein or I don't remember.
31:05
I just know that I did see him, and I'm
31:07
trying and struggling to remember the context around it. But
31:12
I'm sure it happened, but it must have been very brief,
31:15
because I don't have any serious memory of it, any
31:17
like deep memory of that. Blanche, and maybe this is obvious,
31:22
Maxwell cuts him off. And maybe it comes also because
31:25
I've read it in the press. That may be something
31:28
that brought it to my memory, so that, I mean,
31:31
I think the press has been very contaminating. So it's
31:35
hard sometimes to separate those stories from your memory. Sometimes,
31:39
Oh give me a break. So you don't know if
31:41
something happened or not. What do you have dementia? Are
31:45
you suffering from the same illness that Bruce Willis has
31:49
a phasia? Or whatever the hell it's called And isn't
31:51
it ironic that gallainn. Maxwell seems to have a great
31:54
memory about everything Virginia but a bad memory about everything else. Blanche,
32:01
do you know a British gymnast by the name of
32:03
Heather Man? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche, did she? Maxwell cuts him off.
32:08
I didn't know she was a gymnast. Blanche, Oh, okay,
32:10
I'm reading something that says she was a gymnast, but
32:13
please don't assume that that's correct. This is based upon
32:16
my words. So the deputy director of the FBI has
32:20
no fucking idea who this person is that he's asking about.
32:24
So what are you asking about in the first place?
32:26
Just throwing out names? Maxwell? Okay, Blanche? Did she ever
32:31
travel with you or a mister Epstein? Maxwell? I think yeah,
32:34
she did. Actually, I think that she might have been
32:37
one of mister Epstein's girlfriends at one point. Blanche. Again,
32:41
I know we're talking about time periods that are vast.
32:44
What time period would have that been, like two thousand, Maxwell,
32:49
I want to say, I don't know. It could have
32:51
been the nineties, could have been the nineties, I don't know.
32:53
But I mean, listen, there are people that pop out
32:56
of the woodwork all the time. I just saw one
32:59
on TV saying he was his girlfriend in ninety three
33:02
or ninety four. So I mean he's obviously been very
33:06
busy lea Safian or she's lying, Glenn Maxwell, Or there's
33:11
that Blanche. Did someone named Mark Middleton? Maxwell? Yes, I
33:16
remember him, Blanche? Who was that? Maxwell? He was in
33:20
mister Clinton's administration, President Clinton's administration, I think, Blanche. And
33:25
how do you know him, Maxwell, Well, I met him,
33:28
and that is I met him through mister Epstein. Blanche,
33:31
And do you know was he from what you observed?
33:34
Was he a friend or a business acquaintance of mister Epstein? Maxwell?
33:38
I mean I only saw him a handful of times,
33:40
but I did see him with him. I mean he
33:42
see him friendly. I don't know if I would characterize
33:45
I mean, only having seen him briefly, I don't know
33:47
how to characterize that, Blanche. Do you know whether he
33:51
liked flu on airplanes with mister Epstein? Did he visit
33:54
the island? Do you know anything about that or their
33:57
relationship as it relates to that, Maxwell, Well, I don't
34:00
have any recollection of seeing Mark Middleton at the island, Blanche.
34:05
How about former US Senator George Mitchell Maxwell. Yeah, I
34:08
do remember George Blanche. What do you remember about him? Maxwell?
34:13
I traveled with him. We went to the most memorable
34:16
affair I went too well. I was friendly with his wife,
34:19
start with that with Heather, and Heather was in New York,
34:22
so I hung out with her a few times, we
34:24
had dinner. I was just friendly, I would say, separately
34:27
with separately from her husband. I was friends with Heather.
34:30
I met Heather through her husband, but we became friends. Blanche,
34:34
You became friends with Heather Maxwell, Heather. Yes, Blanche was
34:38
mister Epstein friends with mister Mitchell. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche. Did
34:42
they travel together besides New York? Did they travel to
34:46
the island or to New Mexico? Maxwell, I don't ever
34:49
remember George ever at the island. But the most memorable
34:53
trip I do recall with senator was to Italy. Blanche
34:56
was to were Maxwell to Italy? Blanche? Okay, Maxwell, we
35:00
went to Rome Blanche as the four of you, So
35:03
Heather and mister Mitchell and you and mister Epstein. Maxwell.
35:07
That's my recollection. Blanche, and what were you there for? Maxwell? Well,
35:12
the most memorable aspect of the trip is that we
35:15
went to the Vatican. It was extraordinary. The most extraordinary
35:19
thing was going to the archives and holding Henry the
35:22
eighth document to the Pope asking for his divorce. Blanche.
35:26
Do you know the former president of Columbia Andrews Pastrana? Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
35:32
how do you know him? Maxwell? I met Pastrana in
35:36
a pub in Dublin, Blanche. And did he travel with
35:38
mister Epstein that you know, Maxwell, I don't know. I
35:42
don't know if he was ever on the plane. I
35:45
don't know if he ever I don't think he ever
35:47
came to the island. But I went to places with
35:49
Andrews Pastrana. One was to Columbia and Epstein came to that,
35:53
and the other was to Cuba and Epstein and Pastrana
35:56
I think was there, Blanche. And what were the purposes
36:01
of traveling to Columbia then Cuba? Maxwell? I'm a helicopter
36:05
pilot and Andrews is a helicopter pilot and we just
36:08
became friends. And I flew a Blackhawk in Columbia, Blanche,
36:12
And how about Cuba? Maxwell, I have a friend of
36:16
mine who was the cigar distributor for Monte Cristo maybe
36:20
I can't remember which cigar it was, and so we
36:22
went there and he organized the trip and we met
36:25
Fidel Castro. Blanche. When was that, approximately? Maxwell had to
36:30
be two thousand and two, two thousand and three, Blanche, okay, Maxwell,
36:34
something like that, I think Blanche. There's some more names
36:38
that we might talk about tomorrow with the same type
36:40
of questions, but as far as a catch all, there's
36:43
been a tremendous amount of public information about all kinds
36:46
of names, including some of the folks we talked about
36:49
today and their relationship with mister Epstein, and or you,
36:53
for any of the folks that we've talked about today,
36:56
did you observe them doing anything improper with mister Epstein,
36:59
whether with mosiue uses or with women who were or
37:02
girls who were traveling, or at the residence that they
37:05
were at, or at the parties that they were at.
37:09
Maxwell I did not, ever, at any time see that.
37:13
You know who else didn't see it? Stevie Wonder and
37:15
Helen Keller, Todd, Blanche and for any of the names
37:19
we've talked about today, and then tomorrow we'll talk about
37:22
some more. But for today, do you recall having any
37:25
conversations with anybody else where they reported to you that
37:28
they had seen something that one of these individuals had done,
37:32
whether someone else that works with mister Epstein or somebody
37:35
that observes something. Maxwell, if anybody had ever reported anything,
37:40
first of all, the answer to that is no. And
37:42
also I just want to be clear that had anybody
37:46
ever reported anything illegal or disgusting like that, I would
37:49
have immediately done something, Yeah, like get involved, right, like
37:52
help out, like molest the girls with Jeffrey Epstein. You sick,
37:56
degenerate fuck And I never heard it, saw it, And
38:01
no one ever ever complained to me or tears, nothing
38:04
like that, Blanche, Okay, all right, So we took a
38:08
break when we were talking about mister Epstein and his death.
38:12
So mister Epstein and his death. So you were not
38:15
obviously at the MCC during that time, correct, Maxwell, I
38:18
was not, Blanche. So you're going to tell us what
38:21
you believe, but just I just want to make sure
38:23
I understand your basis for belief is kind of what
38:26
you've read and seen and your knowledge of mister Epstein
38:29
for the many years you knew him, knew him, right, Maxwell?
38:33
And actually there's a third component, Blanche, Okay. Maxwell. The
38:37
answer to that is yes, Blanche, okay. Maxwell. And there's
38:41
a third component that which is having experienced now the
38:44
mismanagement and inefficiencies in total dereliction of duty at the
38:48
Bureau of Prisons. Blanche from BOP, from the Bureau of Prisons, Maxwell, Yes,
38:53
Blanche okay, fair Okay. Meanwhile, Blanche, mind, you is in
38:58
control of the BOP. That's right, the DOJ in control. Okay.
39:03
So you know I want to What I do want
39:06
to do is be careful, you know, asking you to speculate,
39:09
because anybody can do that, and I don't think that's
39:11
fair to you or anybody else to ask you to
39:13
give us your kind of opinion. But do you think
39:16
that the third point you say, which is kind of
39:18
a failure by the BOP, There's been a lot. There's
39:22
been the OIG report, there's the SDNY investigation about that.
39:26
So you think he was he did not die by
39:29
suicide given all the things we just talked about, Maxwell,
39:33
I do not believe he died by suicide, No, Blanche,
39:36
And do you believe that? Do you have any speculation
39:39
or view of who killed him? Maxwell? I don't, Blanche,
39:43
And I asked that because if you don't believe that
39:45
there's any truth to the allegations of blackmail, or that
39:48
he had kind of a list, or that he had
39:51
reasons to have people hate him, why would somebody kill
39:53
him in prison? Maxwell? In prison where I am, they
39:57
will kill you, or they will pay somebody or a
40:00
prisoner to kill you for twenty five dollars worth of commissary.
40:03
That's about the going rate for a hit with a
40:05
lock today. No, it's not. That's a lie right there too.
40:08
Can you point to me anybody who's been hit at
40:11
the Tallahassee Federal Prison for Women who's been killed there? Oh,
40:15
that's right, nobody, Blanche. So that goes to the third reason,
40:20
which is kind of mismanagement Maxwell, yes, Blanche, or the
40:24
shortfallings or the shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
40:29
which is a little bit different from my question, which is,
40:33
do you think there was somebody on the outside of
40:35
the prison, So putting aside what could have happened on
40:37
the inside, on the outside of prison, who wanted him
40:41
dead so badly that he would have or she would have,
40:44
you know, caused him to be killed on the inside
40:47
I don't see that. I think, is it possible. Of course,
40:50
it's possible, but I don't know of any reason why.
40:53
And I don't believe in the blackmail or any of this.
40:56
I don't think Epstein had a hit on him like that.
40:59
If it's indeed murder, I believe it was an internal situation. Blanche. Yeah,
41:04
so you don't have any reason, you know, first hand
41:06
knowledge or even speculation. It sounds like to think that
41:09
he was if that he was killed to kind of
41:12
silence them or to keep them from going public about
41:15
people he knew about Maxwell. I don't know, because I
41:19
think that that's just part of the story that's been
41:21
created that started in two thousand and eight and two
41:24
thousand and nine. So yeah, all the other coincidences that happened,
41:28
just coincidences, Folks, camera's going down guard sleeping, no one
41:32
watching them. Ignore all of that and just listen to
41:35
what I say. That's what the narrative is, Blanche, Okay, Yeah,
41:41
I mean that's the point, Like, I don't want I
41:43
don't think there's value in talking. You know, there's been
41:46
a lot of talking, a lot of information about what happened,
41:49
you know, at the MCC, but What is important to
41:52
me is whether you know is the idea that he
41:54
didn't die by suicide, that's one thing. But if to
41:58
the extent that folks believe that he was murdered to
42:01
keep him quiet or because he had information on rich
42:03
and powerful people, do you have any reason to believe
42:07
that's what's true? Maxwell, I don't have any reason to
42:10
believe that, And I also think it's ludicrous because if
42:13
that I also happen to think if that is what
42:16
they wanted, they would have had plenty of opportunity when
42:19
he wasn't in jail, he was still useful then, Glaine,
42:22
and I thought you weren't around him for all these years,
42:25
so how do you know what he was up to?
42:27
This whole entire thing is straight up gobbage, hot, wet gabbage,
42:32
And if they were worried about blackmail or anything from him,
42:36
he would have been a very easy target in the time.
42:39
So we've talked about a lot of time, all the
42:41
way up through twenty nine and ten and the time
42:45
after mister Evstein was arrested. When's the last time you
42:48
spoke with him, Glenne Maxwell, maybe twenty sixteen, seventeen fifteen
42:53
in that area. I believe Blanche, And when you're thinking
42:57
about the last time that you had talked been talking
43:00
to him a lot and then you stopped or was
43:02
that a one off time? It was infrequent At that point, Maxwell,
43:06
I really wasn't in communication. The only communications I had
43:10
with him was in with regards to the civil suits,
43:12
the civil suits that I found myself in, the defamation
43:15
suit I found myself in. I needed help, I needed information,
43:19
and I didn't have what I needed, And so that
43:22
was really what it was. That's what drove it, was
43:25
me trying to get myself out of this situation, which
43:28
ultimately led to where I am today. When all of that,
43:32
I don't remember even if I stopped talking to him
43:34
before that. I think I thought he was angry with
43:38
me anyway, he didn't like what I did, and I
43:41
wasn't interested in what he had to say to me,
43:43
and Todd Blanche cuts her off. What did you think
43:46
he was angry with you about? Maxwell? I think he
43:49
was angry that I had even said that I had
43:52
referred to her being a liar. He said I should
43:54
not have said anything, but Blanche when the civil suits
43:57
that were ongoing before mister Epstein's death, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
44:02
did your lawyers coordinate with his lawyers, like in discovery
44:05
and things like that or anything. Maxwell, I don't think
44:08
we coordinated. I'm not sure Todd Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
44:13
don't want to misspeak. There was some degree of communication,
44:16
for sure, I just don't know the degree that took place.
44:20
So definitely, I'm me and I was definitely hoping for
44:22
him to be more helpful. And I was definitely coordinating
44:26
is not a good word because that sounds like I
44:28
was trying to align myself. That's not where we were
44:31
going here. But I was definitely trying to get help
44:34
as in documents or information that I could use to
44:37
defend myself. That's one hundred percent true. And the degree
44:41
to which that took place, I don't recall. There was
44:44
definitely some of that, though I don't want to mislead you.
44:47
All Right, we're gonna wrap up right here, and in
44:50
the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
44:53
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