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Men Get The Blame Again… While Republicans Turn Their Backs On The Base | 54 · Propaganda

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SPEAKER_02: You're mentoring like uh Lucy Craig?
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SPEAKER_05: How do you want me to sit?
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SPEAKER_03: Like Lucy Craig, really?
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SPEAKER_05: Who's Lucy Craig?
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SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
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SPEAKER_05: No.
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SPEAKER_05: Who is Lucy Craig?
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SPEAKER_05: Stop it!
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SPEAKER_03: Look up Lucy Craig.
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SPEAKER_05: Why do I look like Lucy Craig?
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SPEAKER_03: This is a great start to the episode.
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SPEAKER_02: That's Jane Doe.
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SPEAKER_05: Lucy Craig is Jane Doe?
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SPEAKER_02: Right there.
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SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, she's a little bit of a little bit of a redhead?
0:29
SPEAKER_03: She has a LinkedIn up?
0:32
SPEAKER_02: Bro, there's no way.
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SPEAKER_05: I would take that.
0:34
SPEAKER_02: You could not be leaving your LinkedIn up.
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SPEAKER_02: That's her.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what they say.
0:39
SPEAKER_04: That's like confirmed?
0:41
SPEAKER_04: Should I add her?
0:44
SPEAKER_04: I should add her.
0:45
SPEAKER_03: What's your experience, Ben, at Cornell University?
0:49
SPEAKER_03: How much of a whore do you have to be to where a frat literally can't stand you at the party and they disinvite you?
0:58
SPEAKER_04: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Starting off strong.
1:03
SPEAKER_03: I can't believe she has her freaking link to it.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: So Lucy Craig is allegedly the Jane Doe of the Cornell 7 University case.
1:14
SPEAKER_04: I actually that's actually genuinely the first time I've heard that.
1:17
SPEAKER_04: Thanks for tuning in to propaganda with Mick and Jacob.
1:24
SPEAKER_03: Welcome back.
1:25
SPEAKER_03: We're back with another episode this week.
1:27
SPEAKER_03: Um we have a couple things to go over.
1:30
SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you want to start with the Cornell 7.
1:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you kind of started it already.
1:35
SPEAKER_04: So all right.
1:36
SPEAKER_04: So in case you haven't heard, on an October night back in 2024, yes, two years ago now, a Cornell University student, Jane Doe, and we don't know her name, but I guess it allegedly is Lucy Craig.
1:51
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_03: That's what everyone's saying.
1:52
SPEAKER_03: That's what everyone's saying.
1:53
SPEAKER_03: Those are the leaks going out that it's Lucy Craig.
1:54
SPEAKER_04: That's not confirmed, though.
1:55
SPEAKER_04: So I'm just gonna call her Jane Doe.
1:57
SPEAKER_03: And I have a different theory.
1:58
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
2:00
SPEAKER_04: Jane Doe, a Cornell University student, goes out partying as a student does.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, she's underage at the time, she's 20, but she makes the choice to get drunk at her sorority, even goes out and gets drinks from this local bar in town.
2:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then she decides to meet up with a guy at Kai Phi Fraternity House.
2:20
SPEAKER_04: And here is where the night gets crazy.
2:23
SPEAKER_04: And this is where everything happens.
2:27
SPEAKER_04: So she meets up with someone that she is supposedly, allegedly interested in, just kind of based off her own testimony and the texts that you read.
2:35
SPEAKER_04: She seems interested in this guy, all right?
2:38
SPEAKER_04: And they all get flirty, you know, they're drunk, and she continues to drink at the frat house.
2:44
SPEAKER_04: They take ketamine, they're smoking weed, they like I said, they're drinking more, like they're taking drugs.
2:49
SPEAKER_04: Kind of what you would imagine, you know, a frat party to be.
2:52
SPEAKER_04: But then she agrees to a threesome with this guy that she met up with and um another man, another frat member.
3:01
SPEAKER_04: And so as the night continues, it becomes this sex-orgy, drug-fueled, like crazy night.
3:10
SPEAKER_04: And at some point, she's with these two dudes, and then more come, and nothing is really clear on what exactly.
3:17
SPEAKER_03: There was like a rotating lineup.
3:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, basically.
3:21
SPEAKER_04: Mork men come in, she agrees, she consents to do things with them, and like they're snorting drugs off each other's bodies and everything.
3:28
SPEAKER_04: Like, it's I don't even want to get into it.
3:30
SPEAKER_04: It's like disgusting stuff, all right.
3:32
SPEAKER_04: Something that is interesting though, that is important later.
3:36
SPEAKER_04: Do you know how this ended?
3:39
SPEAKER_04: Two frat members come in, men come in, and they're like, All right, we're shutting whatever the hell this is down.
3:46
SPEAKER_04: Like we're putting an end to this.
3:47
SPEAKER_04: This is weird, and no, stop it.
3:50
SPEAKER_03: It's too depraved for the frat bros.
3:53
SPEAKER_04: So they shut it down, basically.
3:55
SPEAKER_04: But anyway, after this night happens, all right, nothing immediately comes to light.
4:00
SPEAKER_04: I there's she's not, you know, rushing home telling her sisters, oh my gosh, you know, something just happened.
4:05
SPEAKER_04: I I think I got raped.
4:06
SPEAKER_04: I think I got sexually saw.
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SPEAKER_04: No, no, she's actually texting members that she had this orgy with and talking about the orgy they had the previous night.
4:17
SPEAKER_04: One of the men uh involved in it even apologized for how things went down, saying that he should have kicked others out before it got out of hand.
4:26
SPEAKER_04: And you know, his memory's fuzzy.
4:27
SPEAKER_04: He's on drugs, he's drunk, everybody's drunk and on drugs, okay?
4:30
SPEAKER_04: No one knows what they're doing.
4:33
SPEAKER_04: She responds and she says, you know, yeah, I none of the sexual stuff was illegal.
4:38
SPEAKER_04: We're fine, like we're cool.
4:40
SPEAKER_04: Um you know, my my memory's kind of hazy too.
4:44
SPEAKER_04: And she even wants to smoke together again, but leave out all the extra men, is what she said in these text messages.
4:49
SPEAKER_03: But did you hear that she got uninvited from the Halloween party?
4:55
SPEAKER_04: Right.
4:55
SPEAKER_03: So So it was bad enough to wear the frat didn't want her back for the Halloween party.
5:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
5:04
SPEAKER_03: I also heard that the girls in the sorority she was with were like looking down on her and were ashamed to admit that she's a part of their sorority.
5:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Because of the act she was doing.
5:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
5:17
SPEAKER_03: So they don't want to be associated with her.
5:19
SPEAKER_03: The guys that it happened with don't even want her to come back to the Halloween party.
5:22
SPEAKER_04: It's like so, from what it sounds like, rumors began to spread.
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SPEAKER_04: Not even rumors, just what happened that night spread around campus, around the Frat sororities, and everyone's like, all right, that's a little wild of you, like even for us.
5:36
SPEAKER_04: And like Jacob said, she was uninvited from the Halloween party at Kai-Fi.
5:39
SPEAKER_04: And that's when I think our Jane Doe began to be like, wait a minute.
5:45
SPEAKER_04: Oh.
5:46
SPEAKER_04: And I think that's the point where she began to feel shame and guilt.
5:50
SPEAKER_04: And there's a big difference between trauma and then shame and guilt.
5:56
SPEAKER_04: So what happens?
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SPEAKER_04: She ends up filing a police report, a report with the campus police on November 8th.
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SPEAKER_04: So this is like two weeks later, three weeks later, gosh.
6:09
SPEAKER_04: Claiming that she was raped and sexually assaulted, basically gang raped in this frat house, that she was not in control, it wasn't consensual.
6:19
SPEAKER_04: She didn't want to do it, but she was forced to do it.
6:22
SPEAKER_03: I heard she told the police that everything that happened was consensual.
6:29
SPEAKER_04: In her like statement, there's like a six-page statement of her of like on November 8th, 2024.
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SPEAKER_04: Basically, she was okay with the initial threesome, but didn't end up knowing how many people she had sex with, and there were so many gaps in her memory, and she wasn't okay with it.
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SPEAKER_04: She doesn't remember being raped, but also knows that she was raped because she felt coerced into taking the drugs again.
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SPEAKER_04: Like that's what her original statement sounds like.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, she doesn't remember everything, so therefore she must have been raped.
7:01
SPEAKER_04: But there's no proof of anything happening because she waited so long.
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SPEAKER_04: She goes in to get a dru uh rape kit, and they can't, it doesn't work because it's three weeks later.
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SPEAKER_04: So no criminal charges were filed.
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SPEAKER_04: No one was found guilty of anything criminally.
7:13
SPEAKER_03: That's not what I heard.
7:15
SPEAKER_03: What I heard is that she admitted everything they did was consensual, nothing was illegal.
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SPEAKER_04: I think she said that in her text to these Okay, not to the police.
7:23
SPEAKER_04: Not to the police.
7:24
SPEAKER_04: Because she went in saying, like, I've been raped! Do something.
7:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, consent is not the same as regret.
7:31
SPEAKER_03: And you can consent and then regret.
7:36
SPEAKER_03: If she didn't consent, which does not sound like is what happened, sounds like she was very down with this.
7:42
SPEAKER_03: Um if you didn't consent, then yeah, that's rape.
7:49
SPEAKER_04: But also if you consent and then the next morning you wake up and you're ashamed of what you've done under the influence of drugs and alcohol, that doesn't mean that you don't have any responsibility for your actions anymore.
8:03
SPEAKER_03: And when she got to the frat house, she had already been drinking, was aware of what was going on, kept drinking, did drugs, got with these guys.
8:12
SPEAKER_03: All of that was done knowingly when willingly.
8:18
SPEAKER_03: The problem I have is if she doesn't remember some of it, then what did happen during that, you know?
8:24
SPEAKER_03: That is a problem.
8:25
SPEAKER_03: But if her first reaction is, oh yeah, it was a great time, let's do it again, just maybe not as many guys.
8:31
SPEAKER_03: Like, right, then I would assume she does remember it and she enjoyed it.
8:35
SPEAKER_03: And the problem is though, and that this is the problem that they're gonna have proving or disproving, is that she said after, like when she went to the police, oh my memory is fuzzy.
8:44
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I I don't really remember it.
8:46
SPEAKER_03: And so even though the other guy's memory was fuzzy too, he said it's still him and everyone else's fault that she just happened or whatever.
8:55
SPEAKER_04: So even though they're under the influence, too.
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SPEAKER_04: It ended up happening.
9:00
SPEAKER_04: So what ended up happening was um two of the fraternity members they were expelled from Cornell, two were suspended for two semesters, and then others had to write an essay.
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SPEAKER_04: There's not really, it's not really clear like what made that decision, like who got what uh consequence, but that's what happened, and no criminal charges.
9:18
SPEAKER_04: Okay, whatever.
9:19
SPEAKER_04: Jane Doe ended up dropping out of school, so she no longer goes there.
9:23
SPEAKER_04: But the reason that this is all back in the news cycle is because Jane Doe has now filed a lawsuit against Cornell University, her sorority, Kai-Fi, the bar that served her drinks as a minor at underage, and a number of unnamed individuals.
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SPEAKER_04: So she is suing everybody else for that night because everyone else is responsible except for her.
9:48
SPEAKER_03: Do you know the bars she went to?
9:50
SPEAKER_03: They put X's on her hand and she took them off and still got drinks.
9:53
SPEAKER_03: No.
9:53
SPEAKER_03: And then the second bar she went to, they put a bracelet on her hand and she took it off and still got drinks.
9:58
SPEAKER_03: So the bars are not at fault here.
10:00
SPEAKER_04: Well, there you go.
10:01
SPEAKER_03: The people that she willingly had sex with are not at fault here.
10:03
SPEAKER_03: Now, if there was rape after, or she said she then said no after, or there was something else, you know, after the initial thing to what we're what we're agreeing on, or what she's admitting to, then you can talk about that.
10:14
SPEAKER_03: But it's like everything up until even up until the first threesome, even up until it sounds like the second threesome, or whatever they're doing, everything up until then sounds consensual, sounds like they agreed on it, sounds like they knew about it, sounds like everyone was there for it, you know.
10:29
SPEAKER_04: Like it actually from her own statement, and sounds like the men in the situation, the original threesome she was part of, they were more gone than her.
10:39
SPEAKER_04: Because they, after you know, doing their thing, they were uh sleepy, one was throwing up and she was taking care of him.
10:48
SPEAKER_04: So it sounds like actually they had they were pretty far gone more than her.
10:53
SPEAKER_04: So I don't know, in that situation, wouldn't she be then taking advantage?
10:57
SPEAKER_04: By everybody's logic.
10:58
SPEAKER_04: Everyone always says, well, well, uh the you know, they seemed like they were more in it and and therefore they took advantage of her because she was just so inebriated and she didn't know what was going on.
11:07
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
11:08
SPEAKER_04: Like it's just the logic never goes the other way.
11:12
SPEAKER_04: But this is this this investigation has been reopened and it has blown up on social media, blown up.
11:18
SPEAKER_04: I mean, we were at Lindsay Clancy a few weeks ago.
11:20
SPEAKER_04: Now we're with Jane Doe.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: And of course, my fellow women, um, they like to take social media and make it a trend.
11:28
SPEAKER_03: And make sure you guys are on one with Lindsay Doe Clancy, with this, with they like to make it about themselves.
11:34
SPEAKER_04: Everyone has the names and faces of what now is known as the Cornell 7 are everywhere on social media.
11:42
SPEAKER_04: But Jane Doe has remained a Jane Doe.
11:46
SPEAKER_04: We don't know her identity, it's it's really not confirmed.
11:49
SPEAKER_04: And it's of course something that people are trying to expose.
11:53
SPEAKER_04: So to combat this, all the women on social media are posing, are posting, I am Jane Doe.
12:01
SPEAKER_04: To confuse everyone.
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SPEAKER_04: Confuse everyone so that when her identity is.
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SPEAKER_03: Everyone's Jane Doe, no one's no one is Doe.
12:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's so if her identity is exposed, then we've confused everybody.
12:13
SPEAKER_04: Everybody's Jane Doe.
12:14
SPEAKER_04: So they post I am Jane Doe, I'm a survivor, I'm a victim.
12:18
SPEAKER_04: All right, okay, I guess, but uh the meaning behind it though is what gets me.
12:26
SPEAKER_04: Is that I I am not a Jane Doe in this Cornell situation because I would have never made Jane Doe's choices and mistakes.
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SPEAKER_04: I would have never drank the that amount and then done drugs and then met up at a frat house and then engaged in a threesome and then consented to another round with other men.
12:49
SPEAKER_04: That it's like I would have never done that.
12:52
SPEAKER_04: And no one's a disgusting person.
12:55
SPEAKER_03: It's a disgusting person.
12:56
SPEAKER_04: It is.
12:56
SPEAKER_03: I've seen some uh people, some people are saying, like, how about we just throw everyone involved in jail because it's like that it's that depraving.
13:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's not to make light of a joke if there was, you know, if she was actually raped.
13:10
SPEAKER_03: We're not trying to make jokes about that.
13:11
SPEAKER_03: It's just that's not really what the evidence would show.
13:16
SPEAKER_03: So it's you know, you don't want to joke about things like that.
13:19
SPEAKER_03: But no, no one's doing that.
13:21
SPEAKER_03: It's like they're kind of looking at how ridiculous of an event that this is, and then what she said the first time versus what she says after.
13:28
SPEAKER_03: And it always changes, it always changes.
13:30
SPEAKER_03: It's always like I was raped, but also I stayed the night and made him breakfast in the morning and sent him off to work and then cleaned his house before I left.
13:38
SPEAKER_03: But I was raped.
13:39
SPEAKER_03: You know, it's always like like the story changes the second time, and then the story changes the third time, and then when you tell your girlfriends and then they convince you, oh yeah, you were raped, then you go to the police and then the story changes again.
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SPEAKER_03: And it's like, so were you raped, or do you regret it now?
13:53
SPEAKER_03: And maybe other people made you feel bad.
13:54
SPEAKER_03: Maybe you maybe you regret your choices.
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SPEAKER_04: You were uninvited from the next party.
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SPEAKER_03: Or were you raped?
14:00
SPEAKER_03: Like, what's there is a big difference there, believe it or not.
14:02
SPEAKER_04: So well, you and you know what happened?
14:05
SPEAKER_04: What I genuinely believe happened is I think that she went home the next day, and everyone was rightfully so appalled at these actions.
14:17
SPEAKER_04: Maybe not, maybe some were okay with it, but what the majority were appalled, okay?
14:20
SPEAKER_04: I guess she was uninvited from this party and people were like looking at her, giving her the eye.
14:24
SPEAKER_04: I think what happened was she was then convinced that this shame and guilt she's feeling must be trauma.
14:34
SPEAKER_04: Something's wrong, something's off, something bad must have happened to me.
14:38
SPEAKER_04: Where actually you were taking part in those bad things.
14:44
SPEAKER_04: You chose to take part in those bad things.
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SPEAKER_04: The bad things just didn't happen to you.
14:47
SPEAKER_04: And that's what I said at the beginning of the episode.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, people don't understand the difference between this guilt and shame and then actual trauma from something happening to them.
14:57
SPEAKER_04: She probably went to see a therapist, and the therapist convinced her, yeah, girl, you were you were raped.
15:01
SPEAKER_04: You like sue them all.
15:03
SPEAKER_03: And it's your dad's fault, but also you were raped.
15:05
SPEAKER_03: That's what all therapists say.
15:07
SPEAKER_04: So yeah.
15:08
unknown: Yeah.
15:09
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
15:10
SPEAKER_04: Like she probably had so many outside people hearing the story and being like, well, that doesn't sound right.
15:18
SPEAKER_03: That's you wouldn't make that decision if you were all functioning there, right?
15:21
SPEAKER_04: No one could be that doesn't sound like you.
15:23
SPEAKER_03: No one could be that much of a whore.
15:24
SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah.
15:26
SPEAKER_03: It's like, well, yeah.
15:30
SPEAKER_04: But another point I want to make is that the word rape and even sexual assault, it has been watered down so much that it now takes away from actual victims.
15:40
SPEAKER_04: Regret does not equal rape.
15:44
SPEAKER_04: If you wake up the next morning and you regret your actions, that does not mean that you're not responsible for your actions now.
15:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:52
SPEAKER_04: And it sounds like this Jane Doe, she was ashamed of her mistakes and she let that shame build into regret.
15:57
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, but uh to be clear though, I don't think the men in the situation acted right either.
16:01
SPEAKER_04: Like you said, like everyone should just be thrown in jail.
16:03
SPEAKER_04: Like, what what the hell happened then?
16:05
SPEAKER_03: Everyone should be publicly acting when they do stuff like this.
16:07
SPEAKER_03: But I it kind of makes sense because oh, I don't know, maybe they were taking a bunch of drugs and they were drunk and yeah, and this is the morally depraved culture we live in, and we have no value system or anything like that.
16:16
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, a girl knows that it's an easier out to accuse these men of raping her than it is for her to own up to her own actions that she's ashamed of afterwards.
16:24
SPEAKER_04: So no, this is where hookup culture gets us.
16:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it really does.
16:27
SPEAKER_04: It's disgusting.
16:28
SPEAKER_04: Like no one benefits, something always bad happens.
16:31
SPEAKER_04: Always to the women, to the men, everyone.
16:33
SPEAKER_04: No one benefits from hookup culture.
16:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
16:36
SPEAKER_04: No one.
16:37
SPEAKER_03: All right, moving into our next uh topic, which also blames men.
16:41
SPEAKER_03: Uh, you'll see here in a second.
16:43
SPEAKER_03: This is I don't know if you've seen this yet.
16:45
SPEAKER_03: This is a recent campaign ad from Sarah Huckabee.
16:49
SPEAKER_03: So she is the current governor of Arkansas, seeking re-election.
16:53
SPEAKER_03: She's a Republican governor.
16:54
SPEAKER_03: Sarah Huckabee, the daughter of Mike Huckabee, who is Israel's greatest soldier.
17:00
SPEAKER_03: He's the uh he's the U.S.
17:01
SPEAKER_03: ambassador to Israel, okay?
17:03
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, but this is his daughter, and she is releasing this campaign ad for her campaign.
17:09
SPEAKER_03: This is gonna be, this is my new governor bid for re-election, okay?
17:12
SPEAKER_03: In Arkansas, the Deep South.
17:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: Brad.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: Brad has turned relaxing into a full-time professional.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: But you actually work hard.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: You pay taxes to cover welfare for guys like Brad who just choose not to work.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: Or that's why we want a welfare to work requirement.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Now more Arkansans are working than ever before.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Even Brad.
17:46
SPEAKER_04: What?
17:47
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so Mikhail will put the video up for you guys.
17:50
SPEAKER_03: If you're just listening, it's a video of Sarah Huckabee explaining that Brad, this stay-at-home guy, is a loser.
18:00
SPEAKER_03: And he's a loser because he's on welfare and he doesn't work and he's lazy.
18:07
SPEAKER_03: The only problem is Brad is depicted as a young white man in what I would believe, Arkansas, where she's running in Arkansas that sits in the basement playing video games instead of working a job.
18:20
SPEAKER_03: And because of that, he is on welfare.
18:23
SPEAKER_03: So it's a great, it's a great ad.
18:26
SPEAKER_03: Like, let's have requirements, work requirements, in order for you to get welfare.
18:28
SPEAKER_03: That's a great ad.
18:29
SPEAKER_03: The problem is, Brad, this young white guy that they chose specifically for that role.
18:35
SPEAKER_03: The problem is uh that's not Brad.
18:38
SPEAKER_03: So, how about Arkansas?
18:40
SPEAKER_03: How about the US?
18:40
SPEAKER_03: How about everywhere everywhere else?
18:42
SPEAKER_03: You look in the mirror and say, who is on welfare?
18:44
SPEAKER_03: Who is disproportionately on welfare?
18:47
SPEAKER_03: What groups?
18:48
SPEAKER_03: What genders?
18:50
SPEAKER_03: What ethnicities?
18:53
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
18:54
SPEAKER_03: Brad, the young white gamer man, that's not the typical picture you see that's on government welfare.
19:02
SPEAKER_03: Okay?
19:02
SPEAKER_03: He's not getting the Section 8 housing, he's not getting all these food programs, he's not getting all these tax breaks.
19:09
SPEAKER_03: Brad probably is playing video games in his parents' basement because he can't afford to live on his own.
19:15
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't make him a loser.
19:16
SPEAKER_03: I'm just saying, like, he's not the guy that's on welfare.
19:19
SPEAKER_03: There are some Brads on welfare, sure, but that's not the picture you use.
19:24
SPEAKER_03: So why would Sarah Huckabee running as Republican or as Republican governor in a white deep south state, you know, who I thought that that was the the Republican base was white people without white people?
19:37
SPEAKER_03: Why all white people are Republicans, you know, without without white people, the Republicans can never get elected.
19:42
SPEAKER_03: Why is she putting down, you know, white people, but like further, young white men, you know?
19:49
SPEAKER_03: Why is that the targeted ad for the welfare?
19:51
SPEAKER_03: Is it as simple as it would be so offensive and inappropriate to put a black man and a Hispanic woman?
19:58
SPEAKER_03: Is that way more offensive, so they can't possibly do it?
20:01
SPEAKER_03: Or is it the fact that they're just putting down white guys saying, you know, you're not working hard enough.
20:06
SPEAKER_03: Brad's lazy.
20:07
SPEAKER_03: He he eats potato chips and plays video games all day in the basement.
20:10
SPEAKER_03: It's like, what do you think is more likely there?
20:13
SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying it's not the like it would be so inappropriate to cast a black person or a Hispanic person for that.
20:19
SPEAKER_03: But I definitely do think it is an attempt or an effort or a it's just an understood fact that it's like, oh yeah, we can just throw Brad away, you know, the lazy white guy that's on welfare.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: We can just toss him in there because that represents welfare.
20:32
SPEAKER_03: Like, who cares?
20:32
SPEAKER_03: It's the young white man, anyways.
20:34
SPEAKER_03: Okay, who cares?
20:34
SPEAKER_03: You know, so it's like I kind of think that that's the thinking behind the ad.
20:38
SPEAKER_03: But it really shows you it's like if that's your base, your main base, why are you portraying them like this?
20:44
SPEAKER_03: It's an it's it's a it's not an accurate portrayal.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: And then B, it's a you're working against yourself.
20:49
SPEAKER_03: So do you not want that voter base?
20:51
SPEAKER_03: Or you just know that no matter what, people like Brad, this Brad, he's still gonna vote for you.
20:59
SPEAKER_03: Like what like what what do you think it could possibly be?
21:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because if they were to portray, you know, this fat black woman with three kids on EBT.
21:11
SPEAKER_03: Right.
21:11
SPEAKER_03: With the hot Cheetos.
21:12
SPEAKER_04: With the hot Cheetos, you know.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: It's understood by not only the right and the left, but also like by all of our available popular media and the culture, that it's okay to put down white people, even in Sarah Huckabee's case, where that's her that's her voting block.
21:26
SPEAKER_03: That's who she needs.
21:27
SPEAKER_03: So they might think, oh, it's inappropriate to cast a black chick or a Mexican man or whatever, you know.
21:33
SPEAKER_03: Like they might think that's inappropriate.
21:35
SPEAKER_03: And that might be why they're choosing a Brad character, but it also they just don't care about how that would actually affect the Brad character because they know Brad is still gonna come around in the midterms and then in the next four years, and then in the next four years.
21:47
SPEAKER_03: And no matter what, Brad is gonna vote Republican.
21:49
SPEAKER_03: So instead of Brad's demographic, you're looking at him.
21:53
SPEAKER_03: Okay, you you most of you watching this are probably Brad's demographic.
21:57
SPEAKER_03: Instead of us actually standing up for what we want and Voting or not voting based off of what we're getting, and just letting ourselves get walked over by the Republicans like we always do.
22:06
SPEAKER_03: Like, instead of that, we just continually always vote for them no matter what, and they never change their promises and they never fall through on anything.
22:15
SPEAKER_03: And like, there's groups out there, lots of groups out there, where if they're not catered to, they won't vote for someone.
22:21
SPEAKER_03: But the young white Christian men, they have to vote Republican because it's the right thing to do.
22:26
SPEAKER_03: And it's this is your grandpa's conservative party.
22:29
SPEAKER_03: And it's like, you know, yeah, the lesser of two evils.
22:31
SPEAKER_03: That's what they always say, you know.
22:32
SPEAKER_03: So it's like that just gets in a broader conversation about, you know, standing up for what you believe and actually voting based off of your beliefs.
22:39
SPEAKER_03: But regardless, this ad it points out kind of the problem, the problem with the Republican Party is they would not have won the 2024 election without young white men.
22:50
SPEAKER_03: They would not have won it without white people.
22:52
SPEAKER_03: They are supposed to be the party of these, you know, people that they stand up for and they stick up for.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: And this is Middle America, the flyover states, the hardworking blue red-blooded Americans, the blue-collar Americans, you know.
23:03
SPEAKER_03: They don't care about you, they don't care about me.
23:05
SPEAKER_03: It's like they use you every two years, every four years to get elected, and then that's it.
23:10
SPEAKER_03: Then Brad's the punchline of the next political ad.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: It's like Brad is not the guy who's on welfare.
23:16
SPEAKER_03: Not proportionally to what his demographic represents, not proportionally to the other demographics in the state that are definitely on welfare.
23:25
SPEAKER_03: But yet he's still the joke.
23:27
SPEAKER_03: He's still the butt of the joke.
23:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:28
SPEAKER_03: It also, I think there's an undertone of this too.
23:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, you might not necessarily take this away, but I took away too, not just the welfare thing, I took away the affordability aspect of it as well.
23:38
SPEAKER_03: Like a part of that video seemed to be talking about affordability and the economy and kind of like it was kind of like, you know, hinting at that type of thing.
23:48
SPEAKER_03: Like, oh, Brad's lazy.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: He doesn't have a job.
23:50
SPEAKER_04: Right.
23:50
SPEAKER_03: That's what he's in wealth.
23:51
SPEAKER_04: If he lives in his parents' basement, he must be a loser.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: Maybe Brad did what did what he should have done and did what everyone else for, you know, the last 50 years has done, and did what everyone in his life told him to do.
24:02
SPEAKER_03: Maybe he got good grades in high school, got his diploma, went to college, got a degree, and can't get a job because the jobs are meaningless.
24:09
SPEAKER_03: The degree is meaningless.
24:10
SPEAKER_03: Everyone has a degree, the job market's terrible, the economy is terrible.
24:13
SPEAKER_03: So maybe that happened.
24:15
SPEAKER_03: And you know what?
24:16
SPEAKER_03: Maybe Brad, it maybe Brad is a loser in his parents' basement.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: I guarantee you Brad's on a welfare.
24:21
SPEAKER_03: Maybe he is some loser in his parents' basement, but also it kind of does seem like this fact of like, oh, we're not gonna admit, we're not gonna admit the economy is terrible.
24:29
SPEAKER_03: We're not gonna admit your degree is useless.
24:30
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna say Brad's a lazy, he's a lazy gamer boy in the basement of his parents and he's on welfare all the time and he doesn't work hard, you know.
24:39
SPEAKER_03: I don't know about you, all the young white men that I know are either in college or out of college and have jobs.
24:45
SPEAKER_04: So I don't think I know a single young white man on welfare.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: No.
24:52
SPEAKER_03: No.
24:52
SPEAKER_03: Um which is besides the point because I think that's kind of understood by everyone.
24:57
SPEAKER_03: But it's like as far as being uh young, lazy, entitled boys that don't work, it's like everyone I know works.
25:05
SPEAKER_03: Everyone I know is currently in college getting a degree, working towards something, you know, it's like or went straight out of high school and built up a career.
25:12
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: It's like that's not the issue, I'll tell you that.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: What do they say?
25:20
SPEAKER_02: If 90% of them can't read, yeah.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's probably not the teacher.
25:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
25:26
SPEAKER_03: Anyways.
25:26
SPEAKER_04: Well, and that is just so on purpose, too.
25:29
SPEAKER_04: It's kind of back to the Cornell 7 case that it's such I don't, I don't know if it I think it's on purpose.
25:35
SPEAKER_04: I mean it's it's on purpose.
25:36
SPEAKER_04: It's so on purpose to pin people against each other because now we're fighting about something as stupid as what race this guy is in the ad.
25:46
SPEAKER_04: Because actually it it does matter and it is it is significant, but now we're sitting here bickering about that, and now men and women are you know pin pitted against each other, just like they were for the Lindsay Clancy case.
25:59
SPEAKER_04: It's it's just always to cause division.
26:02
SPEAKER_03: All right, so we gotta move on quick.
26:04
SPEAKER_03: We're under our last uh subject of the day.
26:07
SPEAKER_03: I think I chose last time you choose this time.
26:09
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
26:10
SPEAKER_03: We're back with what do we call it?
26:11
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
26:12
SPEAKER_04: We it's our pot.
26:13
SPEAKER_04: We're stirring the pot.
26:14
SPEAKER_03: Stirring the pot, I think is what we call it.
26:15
SPEAKER_04: It's topics that we disagree with and we're going to talk about them.
26:18
SPEAKER_03: Controversial topics.
26:19
SPEAKER_04: Controversial topics.
26:20
SPEAKER_03: Maybe we agree or or disagree.
26:22
SPEAKER_04: I don't we had a really hard time picking things because I think we agree on a lot.
26:26
SPEAKER_04: No, I don't like this one.
26:28
SPEAKER_04: I don't like this one.
26:29
SPEAKER_04: What?
26:29
SPEAKER_04: This is one we kind of agree on.
26:30
SPEAKER_04: You can't not choose it.
26:32
SPEAKER_04: Do you want our kids raised in a religious or secular community?
26:36
SPEAKER_03: Oh, we agree now.
26:37
SPEAKER_03: She means she means I convinced her already when we pick up.
26:40
SPEAKER_04: That's so not true.
26:41
SPEAKER_04: That's so not true.
26:43
SPEAKER_04: I was like, I don't know, religious communities can kind of be like two.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Choose another one.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:51
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay, here we go.
26:54
SPEAKER_04: Is polished your handwriting is so bad.
26:58
SPEAKER_04: Is political alignment now more important than religious or cultural compatibility when choosing a spouse?
27:10
SPEAKER_04: You gotta work on your writing.
27:11
SPEAKER_03: I'll read this for the class.
27:14
SPEAKER_03: Is political alignment now more important than religious or cultural compatibility when choosing a spouse?
27:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I actually think it is now.
27:23
SPEAKER_04: I think political alignment is a good idea.
27:25
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna give we're running out of time.
27:26
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna give a quick take here.
27:27
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
27:28
SPEAKER_03: Then you can give your quick take.
27:29
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
27:31
SPEAKER_03: It shouldn't be more important than religious or cultural, but unfortunately, your political stance actually means more than what uh your religious or cultural take means.
27:43
SPEAKER_03: So when you say, hey, I'm a liberal, that means something.
27:47
SPEAKER_03: When you say, hey, I'm a Republican, that means something.
27:50
SPEAKER_03: There's actually a set of ideas and standards and beliefs that you can directly tie.
27:55
SPEAKER_03: And maybe it's not 100% match, but you can directly tie those beliefs to what that person said.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: I'm right, I'm left, I'm conservative, I'm literal.
28:03
SPEAKER_03: When someone says, I'm Christian.
28:05
SPEAKER_03: I'm Christian.
28:06
SPEAKER_03: I'm Christian.
28:08
SPEAKER_03: I I go to church sometimes, and um my my woman pastor, she's good, and like sometimes I We're a church for all.
28:18
SPEAKER_03: Yes, everyone's welcome, like sinners welcome, you know.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: Like, it actually tells me way more about you by saying, Hey, I'm a Republican or hey, I'm a liberal than it does if you say, Hey, I'm a Christian.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because unfortunately, that's lost all of its value.
28:32
SPEAKER_03: How do you think when they poll people and it's like, oh, 70% of people say they're Christians?
28:36
SPEAKER_03: It's like, really?
28:38
SPEAKER_03: Have you seen 70% of people?
28:40
SPEAKER_03: And that's gonna sound extremely judgmental and you know, not advised.
28:47
SPEAKER_03: But Christians, you're supposed to know them by their fruits, by their acts.
28:51
SPEAKER_03: You know, that is how you judge them, is based off of the fruits they bear.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: So I think that's actually pretty fair, too, is like if you just say you're Christian, does that mean anything?
29:00
SPEAKER_03: No, I should actually see it as well.
29:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:02
SPEAKER_03: So I think that's a fair argument.
29:04
SPEAKER_03: But the point being is like, unfortunately, where we are today, yeah, your Christianity, even your religion, it does, it's the same thing with the Muslims, right?
29:13
SPEAKER_03: Like they don't eat pork and they like they don't eat pork and they don't, they like wear a special thing, but like also they'll go out clubbing all night and like getting wasted and doing drugs.
29:22
SPEAKER_03: So it's it's like the same thing.
29:23
SPEAKER_03: It's like, does that tell me more about who you are?
29:25
SPEAKER_03: Or does your yes, yeah, or does your political side tell me more about who you are?
29:28
SPEAKER_03: So it shouldn't be that way, but I think it is, unfortunately.
29:32
SPEAKER_04: No, I yeah, it's like that's just my quick take.
29:34
SPEAKER_04: Well, we didn't disagree on that, so that wasn't very interesting, but well, I don't know.
29:39
SPEAKER_03: I guess we agree on a lot of things.
29:41
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
29:41
SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, it shouldn't be, but unfortunately is.
29:44
SPEAKER_04: So I I met a lot of people that say they're Christian, and then I get to know them, and I'm all like, um, I don't know.
29:50
SPEAKER_04: Like, I would have known more about you if you just would have told me, yeah, your political beliefs or what who you voted for.
29:57
SPEAKER_03: When you're a Christian, you're pro-abortion.
29:59
SPEAKER_03: That tells me less than if you were just to say you're a Democrat.
30:01
SPEAKER_03: Because I'd be like, oh yeah, of course you're pro-abortion.
30:03
SPEAKER_03: You know, it's you know what I mean?
30:04
SPEAKER_03: It's like right.
30:05
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30:29
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