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  Speaker 1: up later on YouTube this afternoon. And of course, the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Show this morning with Nicole Broussard. Nicole, how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? Thanks for being here and coming back after
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  Speaker 1: last week's show.
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  Speaker 2: So early yeah you haven't even talked about dog shit
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  Speaker 2: yet in the intro so that's.
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  Speaker 1: lifetime ago so we got it we got through another
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  Speaker 1: week uh be busy next week too we got a
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  Speaker 1: tv leaders debate and all sorts of stuff so Enjoy
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  Speaker 1: your weekend while you can, everybody. If you're looking to
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  Speaker 1: plan your Friday, we have BC Conservative leader Lauren Dirksen
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  Speaker 1: in Coquitlam at 11 o'clock for a policy announcement. And
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  Speaker 1: we have the Greens' Emily Lowens canvassing on Salt Spring Island.
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  Speaker 1: No policy announcements from the Greens. The NDP, once again,
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  Speaker 1: who knows? They only announced these things at the very
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  Speaker 1: last second.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Nicole.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to talk on the top here about the
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  Speaker 1: kind of like dueling sort of tax cut versus rate
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  Speaker 1: freeze framing that's going on here in the campaign. Lauren
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  Speaker 1: Dirksen promising $ 1, 000 personal income tax rebate by basically kind
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  Speaker 1: of raising the exemption threshold from $ 13, 000 to $ 32, 000, the
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  Speaker 1: part where you don't pay any taxes on your first
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  Speaker 1: amount of income. And David Eby responding with a promise
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  Speaker 1: of a three-year period rate freeze on icbc which would
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  Speaker 1: be seven years plus three months it's almost like 10
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  Speaker 1: years of rate freeze uh on icbc if he's re-elected
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  Speaker 1: and successful on that two different types of affordability measures
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  Speaker 1: how do you think they they both sort of landed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it is funny because it seems like the campaigns
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  Speaker 2: are maybe sharing notes about what announcements are going to
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  Speaker 2: take place that day because it was a very similar
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  Speaker 2: week like day after day we kind of saw a
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  Speaker 2: tit for tat in terms of announcements so not surprising
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  Speaker 2: that we see another day of this type of um
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  Speaker 2: this type of affordability measure. And it's good to see
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  Speaker 2: all the campaigns as we talked about last week, really
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  Speaker 2: landing on the things that matter to British Columbians. This
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  Speaker 2: one I found funny just from a retail policy perspective
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  Speaker 2: and how it's been communicated to voters. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: cleaner when you say from a BC conservative lens, like
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  Speaker 2: we'll give you a thousand dollars instead of David Eby's freeze,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically if someone comes up to you in
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  Speaker 2: the street and says, I can either give you a
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  Speaker 2: check for $ 1, 000 or I won't steal your wallet. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of an easy decision for voters. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think if it really is a freeze, they probably should
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  Speaker 2: have quantified it in dollars for folks that made their
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  Speaker 2: minds wrap around what it actually meant for their pocketbook.
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  Speaker 2: That's really the core of the issues for the campaigns
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the conservative announcement was kind of fascinating too
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  Speaker 1: because they did it at a grocery store. with the $ 1, 000
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  Speaker 1: rebate kind of signage, which was kind of poking at
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  Speaker 1: David Eby's $ 1, 000 grocery rebate from the last election that
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  Speaker 1: he was very popular and he backed away from. So
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  Speaker 1: it was almost like re-offering people this thing, but in
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  Speaker 1: a different format and kind of poking the NDP a
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  Speaker 1: little bit on that too, because Eby's got lots of
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  Speaker 1: questions this election about what happened to your grocery rebate
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  Speaker 1: and how can we, if you promise it and don't
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  Speaker 1: do it, how can we trust you again? this time around.
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  Speaker 1: And Dirksen found a way to kind of slide that
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  Speaker 1: frame into it too, it looked like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. That's always the question on these campaigns.
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  Speaker 2: They can offer whatever they want to with voters right
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  Speaker 2: now with no strings attached, because that's what a campaign is.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to sitting in the legislature and
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  Speaker 2: getting these things passed, EB is running against himself in
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  Speaker 2: that way.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's difficult.
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  Speaker 2: We all remember, and we've all driven over the Granville
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  Speaker 2: Bridge in Vancouver and have seen photos of what that
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  Speaker 2: was supposed.
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  Speaker 3: To look like.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's just kind of four benches with some
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  Speaker 2: yellow lines around them. And so There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: examples where we've had promises during elections and those things
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  Speaker 2: haven't come to fruition.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just listen to E.B. Anderson on the issue of
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  Speaker 1: kind of the tax ICBC sort of freeze issue here.
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  Speaker 4: At a time when costs are going up in so
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  Speaker 4: many different areas, to know that whether you're a young
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  Speaker 4: person or a business owner or anybody else dependent on
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  Speaker 4: a vehicle, that your costs are going to stay the
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  Speaker 4: same on car insurance is meaningful because insurance can be expensive.
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  Speaker 4: And we see it in other places. And astonishingly, astonishingly,
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  Speaker 4: yesterday we learned that the conservative leader had issued a
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  Speaker 4: secret letter to private insurance companies and lawyers, saying that
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  Speaker 4: he was going to undo all of the work on
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  Speaker 4: ICBC to get costs under control that's delivered seven years
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  Speaker 4: of no rate increases for British Columbians.
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  Speaker 5: The reality is that this... This system that we currently
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  Speaker 5: have has some very serious challenges to it, and we
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  Speaker 5: absolutely have to get that right for people that have
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  Speaker 5: been affected by catastrophic injury and other things. And I'm committed, obviously, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: I insure a couple of cars myself, and I am
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  Speaker 5: absolutely committed to affordable insurance, but we have to get
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  Speaker 5: this better on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: That was both leaders talking about the ICBC issue, Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: because obviously the Conservatives still getting attacked by the NDP
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  Speaker 1: for promising to do, to change the no-fault insurance system
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  Speaker 1: by opening up the hybrid model, as they called it,
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  Speaker 1: to allow in some cases lawsuits to proceed again and
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  Speaker 1: maybe even private competition against ICBC. So David Eby using
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  Speaker 1: his rate freeze to attack Lauren Dirksen on that issue
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  Speaker 1: and Dirksen responding there. I, I, would not have had
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  Speaker 1: on my bingo card three days of no-fault insurance discussion
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the election, but here we are
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  Speaker 1: discussing that as kind of a top topic this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, deeply unsexy in the middle of this campaign, but
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  Speaker 2: here we are. I find it very funny talking about
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  Speaker 2: the secret letter. It was an open letter to many
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  Speaker 2: different associations of which have thousands of members. And so
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  Speaker 2: the secret part of that letter is it kind of
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  Speaker 2: falls flat a little bit, but it did really draw
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  Speaker 2: attention to kind of the no love loss between British
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  Speaker 2: Columbians and ICBC. Like, I don't think that that's a
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  Speaker 2: winning argument to say like, this is the only way
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  Speaker 2: we can do this. I do like that there is
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  Speaker 2: some consideration and there should always be consideration about ways
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  Speaker 2: to do things better for British Columbians to make it
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  Speaker 2: more affordable. So yes, should we always be looking at
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  Speaker 2: different ways to approach our insurance system to make things
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  Speaker 2: more affordable.
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  Speaker 3: I say that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: Depends on how they do it at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day. But I didn't see this as a huge
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  Speaker 2: miss from the conservatives and I don't see it as
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  Speaker 2: a secret letter, but it's a good tactic from the
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  Speaker 2: NDP regardless.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of other things on the campaign
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  Speaker 1: ongoing support. Back to the show. We should talk about
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  Speaker 1: the candidate issue in Victoria Beacon Hill, which came up
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  Speaker 1: yesterday as well. Lorne Dirksen firing the candidate there after
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  Speaker 1: the NDP dropped some opposition research. If you're in government,
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  Speaker 1: are you dropping oppo research? I guess you can on
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  Speaker 1: the candidate there, Wakim Aguil. who in 2025 on social
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  Speaker 1: media had shared a meme of US President Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: making disparaging comments about Pakistanis and also suggested in another
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  Speaker 1: post that a driver who had plowed into a crowd
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  Speaker 1: of pro-Palestinian protesters in Switzerland should have backed up and
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  Speaker 1: reversed over them too. This was dropped during Lauren Dirksen's
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  Speaker 1: press conference on the grocery tax rebates. He was asked
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  Speaker 1: about it, said, I'll look into it as soon as
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  Speaker 1: I get done this press conference. 30 minutes later, fired
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  Speaker 1: the candidate. And that turned into, you know, a pretty
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  Speaker 1: big story. For the day, Nicole, the handling of this
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  Speaker 1: was pretty quick by Dirksen. But what is the risk
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  Speaker 1: to the sort of the conservative campaign when you have
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  Speaker 1: candidates whose views pop up like this and have to
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  Speaker 1: be handled by the leader in an election?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is really the vulnerability.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes when you're looking at the BC conservatives and what
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  Speaker 2: they were and maybe what they are trying to be
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  Speaker 2: now is there are still a lot of people maybe
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  Speaker 2: in that team that have some views that are maybe
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  Speaker 2: not as centrist as maybe the team is putting forward.
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  Speaker 2: So That will happen. Obviously, snap election, you've got to
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  Speaker 2: vet 93 candidates very quickly, too. That does happen. But
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  Speaker 2: I think the win here, it's actually played in the B.C.
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  Speaker 2: Conservatives' favor because the quickness of the dismissal of this candidate,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was 90 minutes from the time that
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  Speaker 2: press conference ended to when they removed him, not as
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  Speaker 2: a candidate because they're already on the ballot, but a
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  Speaker 2: statement was issued removing them, actually played pretty well in
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  Speaker 2: the B.C. Conservatives' favor and showed that they were willing
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  Speaker 2: to move quickly on an issue. But kudos to the
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  Speaker 2: NDP for dropping that in the middle of a press
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  Speaker 2: conference with the leader, because then he got that question
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  Speaker 2: and wasn't really able to respond to it. So very
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  Speaker 2: good politicking by the BC NDP. But I think it
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  Speaker 2: kind of fell flat. So unless there's seven more of
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  Speaker 2: these every single other day from now until the end
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  Speaker 2: of the campaign, I think this is probably a one
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  Speaker 2: and done.
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  Speaker 1: It could be though. You never know. I mean, the last,
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  Speaker 1: the last election, we had a whole bunch of them.
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  Speaker 1: We had the, you know, guy with the COVID vaccine
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  Speaker 1: that gives you magnetic powers and the person with chemtrails
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  Speaker 1: and the people who thought LGBTQ folks were degenerates and
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  Speaker 1: like on and on. So you're right. I think the
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  Speaker 1: risk is if there's more than Dirksen looks like he's
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  Speaker 1: presiding over another band of crazy yahoos or who aren't
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  Speaker 1: fit to take hold of government.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, so, um, And then what's the threshold, too, for
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  Speaker 3: kicking people? Because now it's 90 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: How quickly you need to get these folks out and
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  Speaker 2: then how egregious does it need to be in order
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  Speaker 2: to trigger that? So I think if there are more
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  Speaker 2: of these, that'll be some hard conversations they're going to
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  Speaker 2: have to have inside the tent there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Other issues, I noticed sort of dueling announcements in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days for small business supports. The Conservatives
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  Speaker 1: had a Economic plan about scrapping the PST on machinery
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  Speaker 1: and capital inputs. That's been a long-standing request of the
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  Speaker 1: business community because the PST is embedded in the process
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  Speaker 1: of businesses again and again as they buy their equipment
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  Speaker 1: and make their product or service. The Conservatives offering to
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  Speaker 1: scrap that. EB offering a million-dollar loan up to 72
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  Speaker 1: months for small businesses. And the Greens returning to their
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  Speaker 1: issue of the wealth tax. I did ask EB yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: if there's any more tax hikes coming. Because in the
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  Speaker 1: back of my mind, I thought, you know, to raise
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  Speaker 1: the income tax on the wealthiest folks, anyone who makes
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  Speaker 1: over $ 190, 000 to pay for health care, what about raising
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  Speaker 1: the employer health tax? What about raising the corporate tax?
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  Speaker 1: Are those on the table? And he said no. So
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's it for tax increases from the NDP,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. But all this fits into, Nicole,
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  Speaker 1: the idea of how to pay for some of the
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  Speaker 1: promises that the campaigns are making. Both say they'll have
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  Speaker 1: costed platforms. Both are struggling with the issue of tax
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  Speaker 1: cuts and promises that cost money during a record deficit
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  Speaker 1: while still offering supports to small businesses and others. It's
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  Speaker 1: a very complicated, messy situation because of the financial situation
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  Speaker 1: BC's in that everyone's kind of stuck dealing with as
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  Speaker 1: they put their election promises together here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And then once you get the job, then you go
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  Speaker 2: into the legislature and open up the books and maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's an entirely different picture than what you imagined it
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  Speaker 2: would be.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm less worried about maybe the costed platform.
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  Speaker 2: And if I was the campaigns, I'd probably drop my
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  Speaker 2: platform like 10 minutes before you step on stage for
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  Speaker 2: the debate. So you can say that you dropped a
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  Speaker 2: costed platform, but then no one really has time to
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  Speaker 2: examine it in any great detail. But it's a great
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  Speaker 2: talking point. And then you can be kind of on
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  Speaker 2: your front foot during that debate. But yeah, another example
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  Speaker 2: where we kind of dueling announcements and affordability is central
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  Speaker 2: to all that.
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  Speaker 3: Of the BC Conservatives, yeah, lots here from the BC
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  Speaker 3: Business Council, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: Things that, like you said, that the Business Council and
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  Speaker 2: others have been campaigning for for a really long time.
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  Speaker 2: So nice to see them listening and looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: more of it. Like there's some interesting things in here,
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  Speaker 2: Premier's Tech Council, kind of all over the place, but
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  Speaker 2: red tape reduction. But that was already a round table
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  Speaker 2: that the BC NDP were working on in the lead
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  Speaker 2: up to this election.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, all... They're saying all the buzzwords, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Minister of red tape reduction.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fancy.
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  Speaker 1: One other topic here, one touch on the BC Greens,
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  Speaker 1: which I still think are running an interesting campaign. And
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  Speaker 1: yesterday talked about education. They promised a counselor in every
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  Speaker 1: school and a universal lunch program. And Nicole, I wonder
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  Speaker 1: what you thought of those. The counselor in every school
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  Speaker 1: was actually part of a promise that the NDP made
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  Speaker 1: in the last election to boost school counselors. And a
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  Speaker 1: universal lunch program is an interesting affordability promise for parents
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  Speaker 1: who find making lunches for their kids both expensive with
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  Speaker 1: groceries and also a real pain in the butt. And
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  Speaker 1: a lunch program I could see being very popular as well.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens are the only ones talking about that issue.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't heard any education policies from the other two parties,
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  Speaker 1: which continues to sort of fascinate me. The Greens love
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  Speaker 1: him or hate him. They're talking about issues no one
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  Speaker 1: else is. Do you think any of those break through
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  Speaker 1: to people's lives?
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  Speaker 3: I hope so.
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  Speaker 2: I hope the Greens continue to push both of the
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  Speaker 2: other major parties, the BCNDP and the Conservatives, to think
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  Speaker 2: creatively and think bigger and do these things. like we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about before, the bar is like really low. Like
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  Speaker 2: these are kind of low risk things for the BC
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  Speaker 2: Greens to put forward because it's unlikely they're going to
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  Speaker 2: form government. But I do really like that they're pushing this.
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  Speaker 2: And it builds off kind of the BC NDP's plan.
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  Speaker 2: Like they had a food program and there is a
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  Speaker 2: national school food program as well that is tied to
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  Speaker 2: some of these provincial programs. So there's already progress here.
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  Speaker 2: I think the councillors thing is interesting as well. But
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  Speaker 2: it's nice to talk about schools without talking about SOGI, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: And it's nice to talk about the safety of our
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  Speaker 2: children in our schools and how to make sure education
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  Speaker 2: and the wraparound supports around that are really robust. So
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  Speaker 2: it's nice to, yeah, honestly have this conversation without getting
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  Speaker 2: into the weeds on everything else.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the thing to watch for with the Greens
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  Speaker 1: is if the polls are correct now, and who knows,
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  Speaker 1: we've got lots of time in their polls, we could
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  Speaker 1: be in for another sort of situation where the Greens
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  Speaker 1: hold maybe the balance of power, like who knows. And
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  Speaker 1: then you start looking at their platform for issues like
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  Speaker 1: this that overlap with what the NDP or conservatives would
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  Speaker 1: want to do anyways, maybe. And they can give to
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  Speaker 1: the Greens in exchange for support, like a lunch program
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  Speaker 1: or a councillor. So that becomes the value of the
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  Speaker 1: Green campaign in a way. They won't form government, but
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  Speaker 1: they could have some issues that other parties meet them
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  Speaker 1: on to get their support if we end up in
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  Speaker 1: a deadlocked legislature. Although if we end up in a
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  Speaker 1: deadlocked legislature after this election campaign, oh man, that's the
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  Speaker 1: worst of all options because we could be back to
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  Speaker 1: the polls again. uh, again, before you know it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So just squeeze one.
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  Speaker 3: Don't say that loud.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I jinxed it.
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  Speaker 1: I jinxed it. Just, just one more quick topic here.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: The Angus Reid survey that came out yesterday, uh, just
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: on the feelings that voters have about the two leaders,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: EB and Dirksen, 78% of people surveyed said they have
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: something they dislike about EB. Dirksen's was much lower because
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: most people don't know who he is. The idea of
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: EB being unpopular in a way, um, I think it's
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: kind of, interesting subtext to this campaign. His face isn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: on the side of the bus. The literature doesn't have
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: David Eby the way it did last time.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: It's different.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And the numbers, that's what I took away from that survey.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, there's a lot of negatives
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: around the leader at this point on the NDP campaign.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: And that was a number that seemed to be put
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: to it. But what did you think?
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those have been his approval numbers for a really
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: long time. So I'm really not surprised. And this also
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: seems like Some people have said maybe an exit strategy
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: for David Eby, like just go down in flames and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: ride this out and get kicked out by the voters
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and not your own caucus. But it does seem like
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: they're putting on a good show. But yeah, interesting to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: see for a while his face and name have kind
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of been removed from literature and they've been. profiling at
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: every single announcement more of that that team approach more
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of the candidates with him and behind him and making
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: those announcements to to highlight that there's some bench strength
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: there even though they've lost quite a few really important
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: um cabinet ministers that should have been running again and
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: brenda and rabbi so um yeah very interesting to see
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: and The numbers are still looking like it's a conservative
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: government right now. We're looking at the seat projection of
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: some of the aggregates. It still looks quite good for
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: the BC conservatives. And I think 338 has them predicting
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: a 75% chance of a BC conservative majority right now.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So obviously taking David Eby's face and name off of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: some of the literature wasn't enough. But we'll see what
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: happens on October 24th here.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not looking great.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at the NDP literature, you'd think
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the leader is a Canadian flag. It's like a maple
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: leaf leads the party. That's what all the literature is.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Vote for the maple leaf. Who can hug the flag harder?
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: The on-fire maple leaf.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, from the original logo, yeah. Oh, interesting times.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: All right, Nicole, thank you so much for getting up
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and doing the show with me this morning.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Great to be here.
• 19:09
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• 19:12
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• 19:15
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• 19:18
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• 19:27
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• 19:29
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